Re: At what point do you unsubscribe/deny a misbehaving user?

2006-01-09 Thread robert burrell donkin
On Thu, 2006-01-05 at 19:08 -0500, Ted Husted wrote: On 1/5/06, robert burrell donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'm not sure that i'll find the time for an article but - if there unfortunately isn't anyone out there with a literary itch to scratch - i will create a basic document over in

Re: At what point do you unsubscribe/deny a misbehaving user?

2005-12-20 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Mark Thomas wrote: Jean T. Anderson wrote: I think ignoring is an excellent tactic for a developer's list. I worry that isn't strong enough for a user's list, but I also wouldn't want to embark on a path that could backfire. Not exactly the same situation as yours but one of our users

Re: At what point do you unsubscribe/deny a misbehaving user?

2005-12-20 Thread Jean T. Anderson
Sylvain Wallez wrote: Mark Thomas wrote: Jean T. Anderson wrote: I think ignoring is an excellent tactic for a developer's list. I worry that isn't strong enough for a user's list, but I also wouldn't want to embark on a path that could backfire. Not exactly the same situation as

Re: At what point do you unsubscribe/deny a misbehaving user?

2005-12-18 Thread Mark Thomas
Noel J. Bergman wrote: Mark Thomas wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: what thickness of skin should be required of participants on our lists? Thick enough to take to criticism, whether it be right or wrong, and to respond in a positive manner. Personal attacks of any form or degree are not

Re: At what point do you unsubscribe/deny a misbehaving user?

2005-12-18 Thread robert burrell donkin
On Sat, 2005-12-17 at 09:07 -0800, Jean T. Anderson wrote: robert burrell donkin wrote: I'll look at the jakarta lists for how the OT FUD was handled. LOL! i hope you're going to be looking for anti-patterns :) IIRC jakarta didn't exactly have a good record for avoiding flamewars. back in

Re: At what point do you unsubscribe/deny a misbehaving user?

2005-12-17 Thread Mark Thomas
Noel J. Bergman wrote: We may disagree as his clueful:clueless ratio, but we can agree that he is just snarky. But on a related note, what thickness of skin should be required of participants on our lists? Thick enough to take to criticism, whether it be right or wrong, and to respond in a

Re: At what point do you unsubscribe/deny a misbehaving user?

2005-12-17 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Jean T. Anderson wrote: Roy T. Fielding wrote: On Dec 16, 2005, at 5:17 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote: derby-user@db.apache.org has been grappling with someone who delights in belittling other posters on the list. The topic was raised on women@ (see the thread starting with http://mail-

Re: At what point do you unsubscribe/deny a misbehaving user?

2005-12-17 Thread robert burrell donkin
On Fri, 2005-12-16 at 19:22 -0800, Roy T. Fielding wrote: On Dec 16, 2005, at 6:28 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote: For crying out loud, would you please supply links to the exact posts you consider to be in poor taste and the person's name? I just wasted 10 minutes trying to follow the

RE: At what point do you unsubscribe/deny a misbehaving user?

2005-12-17 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Mark Thomas wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: what thickness of skin should be required of participants on our lists? Thick enough to take to criticism, whether it be right or wrong, and to respond in a positive manner. Personal attacks of any form or degree are not acceptable behaviour and

Re: At what point do you unsubscribe/deny a misbehaving user?

2005-12-17 Thread Jean T. Anderson
robert burrell donkin wrote: ... i think perhaps that this is an issues of strategic aims verses effective tactics. a good atmosphere on the user list is vital and IMO jean is right to be concerned that those who could be contributing to the community are being scared away by the troll. This

Re: At what point do you unsubscribe/deny a misbehaving user?

2005-12-17 Thread Mark Thomas
Jean T. Anderson wrote: I think ignoring is an excellent tactic for a developer's list. I worry that isn't strong enough for a user's list, but I also wouldn't want to embark on a path that could backfire. Not exactly the same situation as yours but one of our users went off on one a few

Re: At what point do you unsubscribe/deny a misbehaving user?

2005-12-17 Thread Jean T. Anderson
Mark Thomas wrote: Jean T. Anderson wrote: I think ignoring is an excellent tactic for a developer's list. I worry that isn't strong enough for a user's list, but I also wouldn't want to embark on a path that could backfire. Not exactly the same situation as yours but one of our users went

Re: At what point do you unsubscribe/deny a misbehaving user?

2005-12-17 Thread Thorsten Scherler
El sáb, 17-12-2005 a las 09:14 -0800, Jean T. Anderson escribió: Mark Thomas wrote: Jean T. Anderson wrote: I think ignoring is an excellent tactic for a developer's list. I worry that isn't strong enough for a user's list, but I also wouldn't want to embark on a path that could backfire.

RE: At what point do you unsubscribe/deny a misbehaving user?

2005-12-16 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Jean T. Anderson wrote: derby-user@db.apache.org has been grappling with someone who delights in belittling other posters on the list. The topic was raised on women@ (see the thread starting with http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-women/200511.mbox/%3c4371355F.9 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: At what point do you unsubscribe/deny a misbehaving user?

2005-12-16 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Dec 16, 2005, at 5:17 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote: derby-user@db.apache.org has been grappling with someone who delights in belittling other posters on the list. The topic was raised on women@ (see the thread starting with http://mail-

RE: At what point do you unsubscribe/deny a misbehaving user?

2005-12-16 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Jean, The name at the core is Michael Segel. Ah, then people can go to mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/db-derby-user and view sorted by author. Better still would be to know which ones are being considered offensive. I reviewed a dozen or so of his posts, and I saw a few snarky comments,

Re: At what point do you unsubscribe/deny a misbehaving user?

2005-12-16 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Dec 16, 2005, at 6:28 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote: For crying out loud, would you please supply links to the exact posts you consider to be in poor taste and the person's name? I just wasted 10 minutes trying to follow the bread crumbs. You have to make it easier on reviewers -- everyone

RE: At what point do you unsubscribe/deny a misbehaving user?

2005-12-16 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Roy T. Fielding wrote: The answer is to ask your community not to feed the troll when it gets grumpy and just ignore him When his presence is worse than his absence, you can deny him, but it is better to ask everyone in the community to simply shun him. Perhaps our netiquette FAQ should

Re: At what point do you unsubscribe/deny a misbehaving user?

2005-12-16 Thread Martin Cooper
On Fri, 16 Dec 2005, Roy T. Fielding wrote: On Dec 16, 2005, at 6:28 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote: For crying out loud, would you please supply links to the exact posts you consider to be in poor taste and the person's name? I just wasted 10 minutes trying to follow the bread crumbs. You

Re: At what point do you unsubscribe/deny a misbehaving user?

2005-12-16 Thread Henri Yandell
On Fri, 16 Dec 2005, Jean T. Anderson wrote: Below are links to public responses to some of his posts (which are numerous enough that they alone would be frustrating to wade through): http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/db-derby-user/200508.mbox/[EMAIL PROTECTED]