Re: Possibilities for commercial software?

Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: On Saturday 27 January 2007 17:23:14 Renaissance Man wrote: It's not a matter of "should." A person DOES have the freedom to run proprietary software on their open phone if they choose, but that freedom, if acted on, has consequences (called an externality in economics).

Re: Possibilities for commercial software?

Mike wrote: The amount of applications available for the phone is not the goal; the goal is to have a 100% free software phone. That is abosulutely not the goal. The goal actually IS a "[large] ammount of applications available for the phone". If someone from OM chimes in and says OSS-only rea

Re: Position of u-SD slot?

Michael Dickens wrote: On Jan 27, 2007, at 3:27 PM, Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: Unfortunately, it's behind the battery. It's a SIM card/microSD combo device. Anyone believe that there is space to run an antenna wire (or 2) around the battery w/o ruining the device? - MLD Probably tricky. OTOH, a

Re: Phone enhancements

Bryce Leo wrote: You'd have to be doing some serious zigzagging: resolution of GPS at street level is about 50 meters... Exactly the point!! if you're zig zaggin that much you definately need to have the cops get called! But on a serious note, how could it be 50 meters? That's about 165 feet

Re: Silent mode timeout

Scott Oberg wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stefan Schmidt wrote: Hello. I cc openmoko-devel for interested developer. On Mon, 2007-01-29 at 09:30, Ben Burdette wrote: A simple feature that I'd like to see is a silent mode timeout. What always happens with my current

Re: Phone enhancements

Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa wrote: Hi! On 1/29/07, Graham Auld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bryce Leo Sent: 29 January 2007 14:31 To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Phone enhancements > You'

Re: Encrypting voice comunications..

Mikko Rauhala wrote: pe, 2007-02-02 kello 09:54 -0800, Tim Newsom kirjoitti: So, though possibly inefficient, we could not some how take the analog audio stream, do some predictable and reversible encoding/encrypting then convert into sounds again.. Like doing base64 encoding for binary data..

Re: Voice over GPRS?

Crane, Matthew wrote: With a point to point link what would be the minimal software stack needed? There's only so much CPU, might it be more appropriate to use a relatively lightweight process to rx/tx+encrypt/decrypt the data? In any case, the idea of an open encryption standard for cell ph

Re: Posibility to get status informations with the help of a LED

Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Michael 'Mickey' Lauer writes: Harald Welte wrote: I searched the different hardware specs and archives of the mailing list but didn't find any information if LEDs will be one part of the hardware. AFAIK the Neo1973 v1 will have no LEDs (beside the screen backlight and insi

Re: [OT] Re: data encryption + Biometric security

Harald Welte wrote: On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 01:45:55PM -0500, Heilpern, Mark wrote: In any case, to get back to the Neo1973, or even future phones: I don't think that there are many sensors that fulfill the following criteria 1) full hardware docs (may be under NDA, but allowing GPL softwar

Re: Posibility to get status informations with the help of a LED

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 3 Feb 2007, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Harald Welte wrote: I searched the different hardware specs and archives of the mailing list but didn't find any information if LEDs will be one part of the hardware. AFAIK the Neo1973 v1 will have no LEDs (beside

Re: Neo1973 video (was Re: What would be a realistic but challenging level for Bryce announced trophy money for video playback on the Neo1973? Re: h.264 format is now open?)

Mikko Rauhala wrote: la, 2007-02-03 kello 14:47 +0100, Harald Welte kirjoitti: Also, the 770 has a landscape display. We have a portrait display. The S3C2410 cannot rotate the image, so you would have to rotate every frame in software, too! Modifying a player to render the image to be rotate

Re: Posibility to get status informations with the help of a LED

Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Gabriel Ambuehl writes: On Saturday 03 February 2007 18:50:02 Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Which is utterly sad, given I'm such a big fan of Blinkenlights... Trying to make sure we get a couple of multicolor LEDs in v2 ;) Much as I love flashing lights (there's just something *wron

Re: Posibility to get status informations with the help of a LED

Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Ian Stirling writes: We really want buttons with changable logos - http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/ However, the only sort-of-practical way to do this is to use one internal 50*10mm or so OLED display, with 4-8 hardware buttons on top of it, which are

Re: Text messaging on the OpenMoko platform

Fabian Off wrote: Am Dienstag, 6. Februar 2007 schrieb Mikko J Rauhala: You can do nice things with your own persistently available server, yes, but one shouldn't be necessary to mostly enjoy OpenMoko. You mentioned a web gateway; I assume you mean a web proxy that's tunable to eg. recompress im

Re: Free maps after all?

Florent THIERY wrote: Just to mention, use of Google maps is not free, it comes only with their software, or trough the browser interface Of course. But, do you really think that the open source community will be able to add every POIs (shops, cafes, etc...) ? The content to generate (tagging

Re: Hardware changes between phases ?

Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On Thu, 2007-02-08 at 12:06 -0800, Pranav Desai wrote: Are there going to hardware changes between Phase1 and Phase2 ... from this posting it sounds like that, just wanted to verify. Yes. Are we talking: Cosmetic changes - option of coloured covers, a 24K gold neckc

Re: Hardware changes between phases ?

Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On Fri, 2007-02-09 at 18:02 +, Ian Stirling wrote: Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On Thu, 2007-02-08 at 12:06 -0800, Pranav Desai wrote: Are there going to hardware changes between Phase1 and Phase2 ... from this posting it sounds like that, just wanted to verify. Yes

Re: T-Mobile finagling advice?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mary... I've been looking into this issue in a related way. One of the biggest opportunities for the Neo will be writing mobile oriented data retreval and sync applications using gps/GPRS. For example, imagine an application that uses GPS location information to det

Re: T-Mobile finagling advice?

kkr wrote: Le vendredi 09 février 2007 à 20:33 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : For example, imagine an application that uses GPS location information to determine your car's proximity to your favorite grocery store on your way home. When you get to within 5 miles of the store, your Neo uses

Re: stolen neo software, like MacLoJack

Declan Naughton wrote: http://www.zdziarski.com/projects/maclojack/ We could provide a similar service in OpenMoko. When the device is reported stolen (from the web), a daemon on the phone will phone home (heh. To our webservice) current GPS location and pictures and stuff (with the GPS location

Re: Abuse - was Idea: Caller set ringtone

Ole Tange wrote: Caller should be able to transfer and set his ring tone. If the phone displays a picture when the phone is ringing, then caller should be able to transfer and set this as well. To avoid abuse the callee should be able to deny people from doing it. Default would be deny. T

Re: R: Camera and MMS

t3st3r wrote: Andreas Kaeser wrote: Michele Manzato wrote: Voting for integrated Camera as well ... Well, as much as I would like a camera in my all-in-one gadget, it would be prohibitive for my every day use: in my working environment anything capable of picture recording is strictly dis

Re: R: Camera and MMS

Alexander Steinert wrote: However I have nothing against the following: two models, one with camera and one without it. However I have no idea how hard and costly this to implement (usually, developing 2 devices costs more but probably dropping features is relatively easy - just do not so

Re: No stylus on V1 release?

Stefan Schmidt wrote: Hello. On Thu, 2007-02-15 at 01:01, kkr wrote: I can't see a stylus on the pictures (on openmoko.org)... Has it one? It has a stylus, but no place in the case to hide it. My thoughts on this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Expansion_Back - a modified case. _

Re: No stylus on V1 release?

denis wrote: Ian Stirling schrieb: Stefan Schmidt wrote: Hello. On Thu, 2007-02-15 at 01:01, kkr wrote: I can't see a stylus on the pictures (on openmoko.org)... Has it one? It has a stylus, but no place in the case to hide it. My thoughts on this: http://wiki.openmoko.org

Re: Connect self-powered USB storage devices?

Mikko Rauhala wrote: pe, 2007-02-16 kello 12:37 -0600, Steven ** kirjoitti: So, I know the USB port is a mini and it's unpowered. But... Assuming there's a USB mini to full USB adapter, is there any reason you couldn't connect the Neo to a USB hard drive? Most (all) of the USB hard drives I've

Re: Which colors will be available for the phase 1?

kkr wrote: Do we already know which colors will be available for the phase 1? On internet, I saw images (computer generated images?) having the following colors: - black/silver - white/green - white/orange - white/red On the official Web site, I saw only these: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki

Re: homebrew hardware and WiFi

adrian cockcroft wrote: Hello, I'm new to the OpenMoko lists, but I'm a member of the Silicon Valley Homebrew Mobile Phone Club that started up last year at http://www.hbmobile.org . We have been working towards our own family There is a WiFi and Bluetooth combo card available here that some o

Re: homebrew hardware and WiFi

Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: One other hope I have is that the RF chip designers will start making more flexible radios. Does a GSM/wifi/bluetooth/GPS phone really need 4 different RF chips and associated antennas and cabling? Using software-radio techniques it might be possible to combine some

Re: GPS time synch

Mark Chandler wrote: Would it be possible to keep the Neo's internal clock accurate using time stamps from GPS information? I know GPS provides that information for some output formats and that it wouldn't be the stratum 0 accuracy that you get from more expensive hardware. But it would probabl

Re: Wiki Editing Guidelines

Harald Welte wrote: Hi! http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_Wiki_Editing_Guidelines The most impportant one I would like to point out is that the Neo1973 is only _one_ of the devices that run OpenMoko. Thus, all hardware related information that you add, needs to indicate that it relates to

Re: About March Release

Jason Elwell wrote: > There was a thread on this list awhile ago that said that changes could be > made to the hardware should a problem be identified. Sean did say however > that they will be offering upgrade incentives on the new hardware. > > Also, it has been said that eventually there will

Re: GPS time synch

Perry E. Metzger wrote: Michael 'Mickey' Lauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: On Mon, Feb 19, 2007 at 11:47:23PM +1100, Mark Chandler wrote: Would it be possible to keep the Neo's internal clock accurate using time stamps from GPS information? yes. That is only during GPS being powered up, of co

Re: GPS time synch

Perry E. Metzger wrote: Ian Stirling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Based on ballpark estimates from other similar devices, it's probably around 70mW. This will really hurt if you keep it on all the time, fortunately, for most applications, you probably don't need to. If it wor

Re: Marketing fodder for Neo: FCC presentation

David Pinto wrote: Expect the large carriers to do whatever they can to prevent from open platforms to gain market share. One of their biggest concerns is turning from *Cellular Service Providers* into *Wireless Network Providers* (which is exactly what Neo will catalyze). There are suggestions b

Re: OpenMoko workshop at ETel

adrian cockcroft wrote: Rough notes, taken as Sean talked. Multitouch - capacitive allows multi-touch, resistive doesn't. Lots of prior art, so this isn't going to be a patentable thing This isn't completely accurate. Resistive touchscreens have two resistive components. One is a film ove

Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com

Steven ** wrote: I added the price breakdown from the presentation to the Wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_How_much.3F I uploaded to rapidshare http://rapidshare.com/files/18781887/rect.avi which is a better encoding of the video - 66M, but with most of the larger text visible. With

'My Account' - a way to store information about the phones owner, so they can be reunited if it's lost.

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/My_Account is an overview of some ideas. Briefly, a way for anyone with the phone to access a history of the phone (bought/sold status, reported as stolen, ...), a way for the user to set these as well as contact information for people to return the phone in some

Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com

kkr wrote: Le jeudi 01 mars 2007 à 12:44 -0600, Jonathon Suggs a écrit : kkr wrote: Why not use an open format (.ogg) rather than proprietary one (.avi)? It was not a criticism, only a question! If you felt it as such a criticism, I'm sorry... If I've asked it, it's only: - FOSDEM use too o

Re: 'My Account' - a way to store information about the phones owner, so they can be reunited if it's lost.

Paul Wouters wrote: On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, Ian Stirling wrote: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/My_Account is an overview of some ideas. Briefly, a way for anyone with the phone to access a history of the phone (bought/sold status, reported as stolen, ...), a way for the user to set these as well

Re: 'My Account' - a way to store information about the phones owner, so they can be reunited if it's lost.

Paul Wouters wrote: On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, Ian Stirling wrote: Reflashing never gets you back a different account number, it keys off the IMEI, which is not flashable. (well, perhaps it is, but it's not flashable from the linux side, and AIUI, nobody else knows how at the moment.) I really

Re: Itch3: Anti-lost/theft protection

t3st3r wrote: so, operators are better to secure their networks. You do realise that this essentially means 'throw away all existing GSM phones' ? If you can clone the IMEI of a phone, the network has no way of telling it from the cloned phone. Yes, you can do potentially clever things on t

Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up).

Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: On Monday 05 March 2007 11:34:47 Lars Hallberg wrote: Should be as clear as on the pictures... But You might need to look close... But the neo case have a hole for the nose for that special Clear yes, but also about 3 times smaller than on your desktop screen... purpos

Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up).

Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: On Monday 05 March 2007 11:34:47 Lars Hallberg wrote: Should be as clear as on the pictures... But You might need to look close... But the neo case have a hole for the nose for that special Clear yes, but also about 3 times smaller than on your desktop screen... purpos

Re: GPS for 911 calls

Michael Welter wrote: What is the protocol for sending the GPS coordinates to the 911 dispatcher? I don't think there is one protocol. Unfortunately, I suspect a 'say GPS coordinates' button on the 911 screen may be the most compatible way. ___ Op

Re: coverage at linuxdevices.com

Attila Csipa wrote: On Monday 05 March 2007 07:01, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: As I understand it Andreas, the hackers lunchbox is including the dev board connecting thru the JTAG interface of the phone. You would purchace your phone seperatly. Someone please correct me if I missunderstand. This is

Re: AGPS - protocol specs?

Nils Faerber wrote: Hi! I am interested in doing a little research on the AGPS part. As far as I understood the used Hammerhead chip will dump out the more or less raw GPS data into userland which will then need to be post-processed in order to get the usual NMEA or whatever messages. So, can

Re: coverage at linuxdevices.com

Klaus Rautenberg wrote: I read that all phase 0 phones are already in use and that the next devices are expected in late March or early April. Is there something like an order list to which we can register? I didn't found informations about how many devices will be available and we just want to

Re: AGPS - protocol specs?

Nils Faerber wrote: Ian Stirling schrieb: Nils Faerber wrote: Hi! I am interested in doing a little research on the AGPS part. As far as I understood the used Hammerhead chip will dump out the more or less raw GPS data into userland which will then need to be post-processed in order to get the

Re: AGPS - protocol specs?

Martin Lefkowitz wrote: Message: 10 Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:19:40 + From: Ian Stirling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The gpsd will output assorted parameters, including current position, ... You can take this - or even output from a nearby (1m) GPS, and the bitstream input and output

Re: AGPS - protocol specs?

Martin Lefkowitz wrote: Still confused on the term nearby GPS A completely separate GPS unit, that is nearby, close in location, with almost the same position, ... Its only purpose is to measure the GPS coordinates - lat, long, time, from which can be derived the satellite signals sent to t

Re: AGPS - protocol specs?

Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: On Thursday 08 March 2007 20:18:50 Ian Stirling wrote: A completely separate GPS unit, that is nearby, close in location, with almost the same position, ... Its only purpose is to measure the GPS coordinates - lat, long, time, from which can be derived the satellite

Re: AGPS - protocol specs?

Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd. wrote: Hello. Nils Faerber napisał(a): There is all sorts of wacky stuff - for example, peer-peer DGPS that can be done, where all stationary neos on charge with a GPS signal and a free internet connection contribute to a global ionospheric model. Then any Ne

Re: AGPS - protocol specs?

Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd. wrote: Ian Stirling napisał(a): Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd. wrote: Hello. Nils Faerber napisał(a): There is all sorts of wacky stuff - for example, peer-peer DGPS that can be done, where all stationary neos on charge with a GPS signal and a free

Re: Idea: Protective Screen Foil

Elrond wrote: On Fri, Mar 09, 2007 at 09:44:10AM +0100, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: Dnia pi?tek, 9 marca 2007, Elrond napisa?: After talking to a few people on irc, it became obvious, that the screen is really superb. And to cite someone from irc: "[...] you don't want to ruin that with

Re: AGPS - protocol specs?

Philip Ray Schaffner wrote: On Fri, 2007-03-09 at 12:46 +, Al Johnson wrote: ... > > So *military* devices does it. But not civil. This is for *civil* devices. http://pro.magellangps.com/en/products/aboutgps/dgps.asp http://pro.magellangps.com/en/products/aboutgps/rtk.asp http://en.wikiped

Re: Idea: Wake me during light sleep

Dean Collins wrote: Hey guys, you're missing the point. You need to stop thinking of the openmoko device being a standalone unit, you are always connected to your pc when in mobile phone coverage. Just use your gprs data link. Start thinking of the Neo as a portable 'viewer' to applications

Re: Device support / life

Elrond wrote: Hi all and Wolfgang, On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 08:12:48AM -0700, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: [...] The second cent is that many folks here are looking at the developer's phone as simply a way of getting the consumer's phone 6 months early. 2) P1 phones a) I have not read any

Re: Crossroads

Benjamin C Burns wrote: Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Companies like Cingular have been known to whitelist handsets. They *could* do it for the Neo. I highly doubt they would. I mean no offense here, but by "whitelist," do you actually mean "blacklist," or ban? I don't really follow the day-to-da

Re: Proposal: Personal Data Encryption (maybe SoC?)

Henryk Plötz wrote: Moin, Am Sun, 18 Mar 2007 18:40:26 +0100 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I would appreciate a fingerprint sensor - there are a lot of Asian mobile phones / smart phones with a fingerprint sensor... Yeah, but a fingerprint sensor adds only convenience and no security at all. st

Re: Galileo receiver

Hans Bakker wrote: Hello, would it be possible to use an hybrid GPS/Galileo receiver instead of a GPS receiver? Galileo (although it is not available yet, but the receivers are) will be more accurate than GPS Futhermore building this into the phone will make that you can use Galileo with the sam

Re: Proposal: Personal Data Encryption (maybe SoC?)

Joe Pfeiffer wrote: It's also not clear to me that more than two levels of security (open/password protected) are needed -- where password protected means encrypted using whatever scheme we've got. Personally. Unencrypted: Anything that you might want on display on the screensaver and don't

Re: Compressed SMS (and other text messages)

Mikko Rauhala wrote: 'lo Didn't appear in the wiki, so I figured I'd throw it out there first: compressed SMS for when a persistent TLS-encrypted and -compressed Jabber connection just isn't there (eg. if it would be too expensive in a particular locale), but you need to send "long" text message

Re: Compressed SMS (and other text messages)

Andreas Kostyrka wrote: * Jonathon Suggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070321 22:58]: Andreas Kostyrka wrote: ...plus probably a system that would automatically upload/download moko-ness information. This way all mokos could keep in touch, and people that switch phones more often would be able to tu

Re: Wishlist: IR LED (was Freq Range?)

Edwin Lock wrote: IR LED would be perfect! Just think, normal mobiles like my siemens can't access the IR hardware because java(on the siemens) doesn't allow it. Only symbians can access IR as far as I know.. It would be brilliant if I could use the openmoko as a remote for my hifi and my pc m

Re: No stylus on V1 release?

kkr wrote: Le mardi 27 mars 2007 à 18:07 +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz a écrit : On Sun, 2007-03-25 at 10:54 +0200, Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: On Sunday 25 March 2007 01:16:46 Clare Johnstone wrote: Dear all, This frightens me in my role as mother, grandmother etc, i.e. a representative of the public to

Re: tomtom on the Neo1973

Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote: On 3/31/07, *Patrick Beck* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: Hello, i follow the deployment of the Neo1973 and Openmoko since they become public. I have discussed with a few others on the IRC, about the Idea to use t

Re: UI long term development perspective: physics engine

Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Well it's probably going to be a while before I can code again...but I would love to see / help form a project to improve OpenMoko's UI. In my opinion, we need to create new "verbs." Click, double click, drag, drop, etc... are not exciting anymore. The are relics from the

Re: UI long term development perspective: physics engine

Florent THIERY wrote: Would it be possible to get video captures or raw measurements of the touchscreen's reported coordinates? For instance, i'm pretty curious to know what exactly the touchscreen sees when you touch the screen with 2 fingers at the same time, when you move them, when you move

Re: The "open hardware" phone project that's had the most interest

On 10/05/2013 04:04 PM, Pascal Gosselin wrote: While I understand the needs/wants of open hardware, the average smartphone user really couldn't care less. That's the core of the problem, lack of a large user base. HOWEVER, what a *lot* people seem to be interested in, is an open architectu

Re: Kickstarter: Open Source Graphics Processor (GPU)

On 10/12/2013 05:43 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: The main fear I have is that there is not enough funding because nobody can really use it in daily work without investing another lots of money (to integrate the FPGA with something). BR, Nikolaus Speaking in generalities - FPGAs use lot

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

On 10/16/2013 10:13 AM, Balint Szente wrote: What is not clear for me is that can a software be FSF/OSI "free" but illegal to use? In principle, one can take osmocombb through your local approvals process, and get it approved for use in your country. It may also be legal to use in certain ci

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

On 10/28/2013 10:03 PM, Michael Spacefalcon wrote: * Most of the Openmoko community sees my FreeCalypso work as being illegal, because they have voluntarily chosen to live and/or accept citizenship in repressive countries which deem it to be so. I suspect that the power-keepers of the Om Wiki

Re: Openmoko strives for openness

Sorry for the delay in commenting, not been keeping up with the MLs. Michael Shiloh wrote: - Merge the debug board function on to the phone, perhaps with internal micro USB used for debricking and hacking. No write-once memory. - Discard U-Boot, minimal bootloader direct to kernel - Fo

Re: Data over normal GSM call

Diego Fdez. Durán wrote: Can't you initiate a voice call between to FreeRunners and then use the mic and mixer devs to modulate the data as sound? Broadly yes. The problem is: A human making mobile - mobile call looks something like this. 1 microphone 2 analog-digital converter 3 GSM encod

Re: Unofficial poll: / 3G Network Sheepshearing

Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote: Here we pay about 4 USD per MB after we used up the 20MB we get each month (that we payed 60 monthly USD for). We can get a "unlimited" (only limited by the speed of 380kb/s) for 100 USD/month. To compare, 100Mb/s sync fiber (unlimitedd, and with IP phone, stat

Re: warranty

Ajit Natarajan wrote: Hi Steve, If a group joins together to purchase the 10-pack, how will the warranty work? I presume that each unit is individually warranted. I'm sure that warranty service will require a purchase receipt or some other proof of purchase. What receipt would we use? If

Re: Listening to music/podcasts

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The headset button does mute the mic. It's main function however is to trigger a hardware interrupt to the CPU, which can be used to start the actions you need to take a pending call. This IRQ function is not depending on on the mute, but mute is just a side effect o

Re: modulated data over GSM voice (was Re: Data over normal GSM call)

Harald Welte wrote: Just to give you a "summary judgement": Running any kind of voice-encoded data over a regular voice channel of a GSM phone is _extremely_ unlikely to work. There are a number of different codecs in use. Which codec is determined by the network. There is echo cancellation a

Re: Steve on V5 versus v6

Tilman Baumann wrote: Cesar Eduardo Barros wrote: Getting to the debug port, at least as described in the wiki, needs both the torx screwdriver and the guitar pick. Ah, so this is what the pick is for. Thx. Remove the back Undo the torx Starting at the antenna end, run fingernail along the

Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics

James Olney wrote: looks nice, obviously the freerunner with it's improved hardware and grfx chip will really start to shine. Unfortunately, not quite obviously. For example, the memory bus bandwidth to the GPU is some 7M/s, compared to 60+M/s for the GTA01, and the 3D hardware will not have d

Re: Newbee wants to kick start - encrypted calls

Crane, Matthew wrote: Not sure if there's a specific project, I'm hoping to do some sort of "analog" encryption, with audio effects and inverse effects, such that it does not need to be digitally decoded, where the excellent pattern recognition engine in the brain does most of the work. You ca

Re: Thoughts about calls not taken

Bastian Muck wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Torfinn Ingolfsen schrieb: | Hi, | | On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 11:20 PM, Stefan Misch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: |> Hi, |> |> I have an idea going through my mind about rejecting phone calls. | | Personally, I only use rejects if I

Re: Newbee ..- encrypted calls/SMS

Crane, Matthew wrote: Yes, I understand that, that is why I'm thinking of this approach. My idea was to use analog voice transforms and their inverse with properties that would preserve most of the codec performance. But it would be awfully difficult to sync up the inverse on the other end with

Re: Newbee ..- encrypted calls/SMS

Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote: There are no simple voice transforms at all that will get through the codec, and actually encrypt. Voice changing is possible, but encryption is not. You _cannot_ - for example - exepect frequency inversion - to get through the codec chain. What about correlat

Re: Newbee wants to kick start - second try

ramsesoriginal wrote: If it's like that, then a simple amplitude-modulation over a pre-recorded, fixed, carrier of the encrypted data should be no problem, since amplitudes are sent... It's not. It sends what is in essence a model of what state the human throat is in. This is what the codec is

Re: OpenMoko Remote Controller (SoC)

David Murrell wrote: Wait a minute... /me backs up the metaphorical truck... Just _how_ accurate are these accelerometers? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Technical:Accelerometer_Fundamentals gives some ideas. The basis of this is the accelerometer used in the wii - as that is about the sensit

Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner? (Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics)

ramsesoriginal wrote: I think this would be great.. Ideally it would not decode it completely, but simply encode the video with some simpler compression... Another question: if we skip sound, would the decoding be faster? By how much? As a datapoint, most VCD class mpegs/avis I had around pla

Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner? (Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What if you could use one of those 'coming very soon' Laser projection device(s) connected to USB ? USB1.1 only (on the Freerunner) And they are not cheap. (presumably) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.open

Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner? (Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics)

Jens Fursund wrote: Mikko Rauhala wrote: Really peeps, face it, seems that the sane way to do non-crappy video on the Freerunner is to get driver support for that Glamo mpeg-4 decoding (remember, the hardware is capable). Hopefully everyone's grasping at straws makes OM bump up the priority

Re: Upgrading 1973 to Freerunner

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In view of 'many' 1973's becoming obsolete and probably 'ridden' with unfixable problems, would it be 'thinkable' to replace the internals of the device with a FreeRunner Motherboard ? I heard that the most costly part of a device it the screen, and that the screen IFA

Re: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)

hank williams wrote: I have to say my unvoiced thoughts were the same as Ryan's. I was not at all clear why a call for the community to help figure marketing stuff out would be met by a request to take the discussion off list as though it was somehow inappropriate for public discussion. It seem

Re: Accelerometer(s), Camera, and Memory

Dee Ayy wrote: > I just heard of OpenMoko and Neo FreeRunner today. Awesome! > > > I noticed the Hardware Highlights lists "3axis Motion Sensors (2)" and > would hope that the developers included 2 accelerometers for the > purpose of sampling the rotation as well as translation. The > "closedP

Spares - broken case or LCD, ...

Is there any way to purchase cases or LCDs in the event of breakage? Also, I would like a few cases, to play with adding wifi to GTA01, for which I need to modify the case a bit, and I may break it. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.op

Re: Graphics Performance

Iain B. FIndleton wrote: > It appears to me that the implementation on the FR is not capable of > moving an updated frame buffer in memory to the chip's video buffer, > presuming they are different, without draping. Since the controller > appears to be able to rescan its own video buffer without

Re: tomtom on the Neo1973

Andrew Turner wrote: On 4/2/07, adrian cockcroft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm happy with the capabilities of Google maps, except that it doesn't know where I am http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=189 The UK Ordnance Survey - national mapping agency - is incorporating their data into OSM, an

Re: tomtom on the Neo1973

Jonathon Suggs wrote: Andrew Turner wrote: Caching googlemaps tiles, and not through their client, is a violation of their Terms of Service. Same for all the other providers. Here's an interesting question. What if you constantly logged your position (while driving). Then when you got ba

Re: tomtom on the Neo1973

wim delvaux wrote: Seems to confirm parent's interpretation. The code is closed, and 'free' only in so far as Nokia are allowing a no-cost download of the beta version. Navigation is a paid-for upgrade. The license agreement prevents redistribution of the data files, and prevents reverse-engineer

Re: built-in scripting languages.

Steven ** wrote: On 4/3/07, Bryan Larsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] However, developers who choose one of these languages for their applications will not be able to see their applications included in the standard ROM nor available for use by those without an external microSD card. [...]

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