Re: [Computer-go] 9x9 is last frontier?

Go is hard. Programming is hard. Programming Go is hard squared. ;^) Cheers, David G Doshay ddos...@mac.com > On 28, Feb 2018, at 5:43 PM, Hideki Kato wrote: > > Go is still hard for both human and computers :). ___

Re: [Computer-go] Learning related stuff

In my experience people who are first taught variant a) and after a short while move on to b) remain overly fixated on capturing and are much slower to grasp the real game. So in this case I would argue that people really do have trouble unlearning when the games are too close … particularly

Re: [Computer-go] November KGS bot tournament

Hi Nick, It is 10 years since my program SlugGo was participating in, and briefly winning, the KGS bot tournaments and I have admired your dedication over these years. Thank you for the effort.; it did bring us together as a community and helped us collectively push the state of the art

Re: [Computer-go] Digression about e-manners and the spectrum

And while what you say is true (when I was a kid they did not say I had Aspergers Syndrome but rather called me hyperactive when they chose my meds), in this case I believe that it is magnified by, I am guessing here, one is German the other is French, and they are typing in English … a

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo Zero

I saw my first AlphaGo Zero joke today: After a few more months of self-play the games might look like this: AlphaGo Zero Black - move 1 AlphaGo Zero White - resigns Cheers, David G Doshay ddos...@mac.com ___ Computer-go mailing list

Re: [Computer-go] Alphago and solving Go

Yes, that zeroth order number (the one you get to without any thinking about how the game’s rules affect the calculation) is outdated since early last year when this result gave us the exact number of legal board positions: https://tromp.github.io/go/legal.html

Re: [Computer-go] ADMIN: free.fr and various invites that bounce

they are both just noise to me Cheers, David G Doshay ddos...@mac.com > On 16, Feb 2017, at 3:02 PM, computer...@roveg.org wrote: > > > Hi, > Here's the word from the sysadmin > >> I figured this out. A long time ago I was getting lots of Spam from > free.fr >> so I blocked that

Re: [Computer-go] Our Silicon Overlord

Yes, standards are high for AI systems … but we digress Cheers, David G Doshay ddos...@mac.com > On 7, Jan 2017, at 1:24 PM, Xavier Combelle wrote: > > >> ...this is a major objective. E.g., we do not want AI driven cars >> working right most of the time but

Re: [Computer-go] Poll: Scientific Breakthrough of the Year 2016

I used Safari on a Mac and it worked fine. Cheers, David G Doshay ddos...@mac.com > On 30, Nov 2016, at 9:21 AM, Michael Alford wrote: > > I've tried Firefox and Safari on Mac, and Firefox and Chrome on Debian. I > have used the link and accessed the page from the main

Re: [Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament

A long time ago there existed the ‘formal’ and the ‘open’ divisions. Because SlugGo used so much GNUGo code in a way such that SlugGo could offer several stones and still beat GNUGo, it was decided that whenever both bots were available for the tournament one would be in one division and the

Re: [Computer-go] Lee Sedol's reviews on AlphaGo games

Sir, After 1400 words you get to your point. Your point about Monte Carlo techniques is well known to this list. Your 1400 word digression on neurons and their networks is really not news to this list either (in my case there is 5+ years working for NASA doing computational neuroscience).

Re: [Computer-go] Beginner question : how to choose a board representation

Look at: https://github.com/lukaszlew/libego it is a much better start than Fuego. Fuego is a fine program if you are an expert C++ programmer, but is a pretty big package to understand well if you wish to do so quickly. Libego is much easier to understand and is also sometimes very

Re: [Computer-go] "English Explanations" based on Neural Networks

It all comes down to having a reasonable way to search the MCTS’s tree. An elegant tool would be wonderful, but even something basic would allow a determined person to find interesting things. When I was debugging SlugGo, which had a tree as wide as 24 and as deep as 10, with nothing other than

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to AlphaGo

Here is a tinyURL link to a panel discussion of things AlphaGo that included: • Oliver Roeder: Senior writer at FiveThirtyEight. All too human. • David Doshay: Archivist for the American Go Association, co-creator of SlugGo, a Go-playing computer program. • Matt Ginsberg

Re: [Computer-go] computergo.org

From my perspective, having both a computer.org and a computer-go.org seems redundant. Cheers, David G Doshay ddos...@mac.com > On 18, Mar 2016, at 12:49 PM, Gonçalo Mendes Ferreira wrote: > > I don't know how up-to-date computer-go.info is, but it appears a better >

Re: [Computer-go] computergo.org

sorry about that auto-correct ‘typo. The first one is supposed to be computergo.org, but that should be clear anyway ... Cheers, David G Doshay ddos...@mac.com > On 18, Mar 2016, at 1:56 PM, David Doshay <ddos...@mac.com> wrote: > > From my perspective, having both

Re: [Computer-go] March KGS bot tournament - slow

Is there any way to forward this to the AlphaGo team? Comparing AlphaGo to the regular set of participants would be enlightening. Cheers, David G Doshay ddos...@mac.com > On 17, Mar 2016, at 5:57 AM, Nick Wedd wrote: > > The March KGS slow bot tournament will start on

Re: [Computer-go] *****SPAM***** Congratulations to AlphaGo

The SiliValley Go club is getting requests to join our email notifications at about 5 times the normal rate since the AlphaGo paper was published. So far everyone has had some prior knowledge of the game, and several have not played in a while. Some are beginners, but so far no people who do

Re: [Computer-go] Facebook Go AI

This looks like GnuGo at level 1. Note things like filling at Q15, which GnuGo would not do on level 10 or higher. Cheers, David G Doshay ddos...@mac.com > On 3, Nov 2015, at 8:31 AM, Marc Landgraf wrote: > > then again, Gnugo donked that game pretty badly. >

Re: [Computer-go] Computer-go Digest, Vol 69, Issue 2

SlugGo used message passing in a distributed architecture and started as a shell over the top of multiple instantiations of GNU Go in order to evaluate a look-ahead tree that GNU Go did not build. It was one of the strongest programs before the MCTS programs hit their stride. Now it would not

Re: [Computer-go] Computer-go Digest, Vol 69, Issue 2

The messages need not be used on a single CPU; in SlugGo MPI was our way to start jobs on remote nodes. The time to wrap and unwrap the messages was not significant compared to the time used to calculate a suggested move. Cheers, David G Doshay ddos...@mac.com > On 2, Oct 2015, at 11:26

Re: [Computer-go] Building A Computer Go AI

It depends very much upon what you mean by a “powerful Computer AI.” If you mean a modern Go playing program then all the advice about MCTS is good. If you mean an AI that depends more upon traditional Go knowledge, then the MCTS systems will not interest you, even though the mature MCTS bots

Re: [Computer-go] April KGS bot tournament, 13x13

Because 13x13 is the one that is working, so folks are playing at that board size. I do not think it matters much that the rating come from the same board size as the tournament. The point is just to get programs that have crossed to some minimal level of maturity, and some of the programs

Re: [Computer-go] April KGS bot tournament, 13x13

I have not competed in the KGS tournaments for many years, but here is my suggestion: now that CGOS is up and running again, set a minimum rating level on CGOS, perhaps something like 1000 or 1200. In that way new programers will be encouraged to use CGOS for primary comparison against existing

Re: [Computer-go] CGOS back online

cgos.boardspace.net http://cgos.boardspace.net/ says: At the current time there is one player called FatMan with a fixed ELO of 1800 on the 9x9 server and Gnugo-3.7.10 at level 10 serves as the anchor player on the 13x13 and 19x19 server, also with a fixed ELO of 1800. Cheers, David G Doshay

Re: [computer-go] Pachi/fuego GnuGo hybrid

The SlugGo team is working towards a Fuego/GG hybrid. But just as our cluster distributed GG added a few new evaluation functions, we are working on an additional evaluation module for Fuego. Work had been slow, but we intend complete the addition to Fuego prior to integrating that into

Re: [computer-go] Neural networks - numenta

I'm not Remi, but I know a bit about Numenta. I gave a lightning talk at their workshop about a year and a half ago. A few people at Numenta are interested in using their software for Go, and I was working with one of them before my heart problems stopped that work. I do not think that

Re: [computer-go] Generalizing RAVE

http://users.soe.ucsc.edu/~dph/mypubs/AMAFpaperWithRef.pdf Cheers, David On 25, Sep 2009, at 12:34 PM, Peter Drake wrote: Yes. I believe Fuego does this. See also Helmbold and Parker-Wood, All-Moves-As-First Heuristics in Monte-Carlo Go: (Does anyone have a URL for this one? I can't seem

Re: [computer-go] any mac programmers out there?

The best way to do it is to use darwinports to install the boos libs. That means installing the ports infrastructure first and using it to install boost. I just finished doing it last week and Fuego compiles on my Mac laptop. Cheers, David On 7, Sep 2009, at 11:17 PM, Mark Boon wrote:

Re: [computer-go] any mac programmers out there?

No playing with multiple compilers, just getting back to computer Go after health problems the first 1/2 of the year. Cheers, David On 8, Sep 2009, at 10:16 AM, terry mcintyre wrote: Cool! Have you had a chance to experiment with the gcc-llvm and clang versions of fuego? From: David

Re: [computer-go] Basic question concerning the edges of the board

On 13, Jul 2009, at 10:27 AM, Carter Cheng wrote: I am not sure I quite get the 20x21+2 idea It is only that you can get away without the off board boundary on all sides. My personal opinion is that way too much effort is put into optimizations that used to be very important when

Re: [computer-go] MCTS, 19x19, hitting a wall?

This is one of two reactions i see repeatedly. The other is to claim that those who use larger clusters have an unfair advantage and should be excluded from various competitions ... but we are seeing that one less often than previously. As far as i know, i was the first person to use

Re: [computer-go] US Go Congress

Because of my health problems I will not be able to attend this year either, so neither of the two people who ran last year's event in Portland will be able to do it this year. Any other volunteers? It would be nice if this became a regular event again. Cheers, David On 9, Jun 2009,

Re: [computer-go] Re: US Go Congress

Mr Kim is not comfortable on 9x9. He has previously declined to play against computers on small boards. Cheers, David On 9, Jun 2009, at 11:27 AM, Ingo Althöfer wrote: Terry McIntyre wrote: I can volunteer to organize the computer versus pro demonstration. Myung-Wan Kim lives in Los

Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to Steenvreter!

SlugGo has not been participating because we had made no progress. I hope to have something by the end of summer. Cheers, David On 1, Jun 2009, at 1:39 PM, Nick Wedd wrote: would like to know what I might do to attract more entrants. ___

Re: [computer-go] Go + code + environment

On 23, May 2009, at 4:03 AM, Gunnar Farnebäck wrote: Joshua Shriver wrote: Perhaps I'm mistaken in my reading, but isn't Mogo a clusterized and highly tuned version of gnugo? You are mistaken. You may have mixed things up with SlugGo, which at least at some time could be loosely described

Re: [computer-go] Re: verifiable claims

there are no chains of size 30 on a 5x5 board, and if after a large capture the remaining stones are unconditionally alive the void at the location of the capture cannot be very large. Do remember that we are talking about 5x5 with the first move in the center as the winning move. Cheers, David

Re: [computer-go] Re: Hardware limits

Programmers work on all kinds of hardware. Making them port their code to some arbitrary standard platform is not a great idea. Just as one voice, I will not bother to port my code to a different box. So, if the competitions are all on the same hardware you are running a *Go

Re: [computer-go] Re: Hardware limits

:58 AM, Ryan Grant wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 9:22 AM, David Doshay ddos...@mac.com wrote: if the competitions are all on the same hardware you are running a *Go -playing-programs-developed-on-that-platform* competition. And that sounds silly to me. it would be worthwhile for this community

Re: [computer-go] The Enemy's Key Point Is My Own

On 28, Oct 2008, at 11:23 AM, Richard Brown wrote: ... if there is someone who can explain to me why I have the nagging suspicion that a differential equation is involved here, ... I cannot tell why you have this nagging suspicion, but I can say that if you wish to look into it deeper you can

Re: [computer-go] The Enemy's Key Point Is My Own

a five stone handicap and win convincingly and consistently, according to David Doshay, the author of Sluggo - google sluggo gnugo evil twin for more information. While these things may be related, they are actually different code segments inside of SlugGo ... but the original post did mix

Re: [computer-go] The Enemy's Key Point Is My Own

SlugGo was never intended to just be the multi-headed global lookahead on top of GNU Go that it is today. The idea has always been to have multiple go engines inside. We just picked GNU Go for the first because when we started that was the only decent open source program, so we built the

Re: [computer-go] The 2nd Comuputer Go UEC Cup

David Doshay: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Will remote computing be allowed, or do we need to have our hardware on site? Cheers, David On 27, Oct 2008, at 7:21 PM, TAKESHI ITO wrote: * CALL FOR PARTICIPATION The 2nd Computer Go UEC Cup

Re: [computer-go] MC programs vs. top commercial programs?

GNU Go won the tournament at the US Go Congress against several MC programs including Many Faces and Leela, but the Many Faces that competed was not quite the newest. David Fotland was working on the program while in Portland and only got the multi-core (to use both cores of a duo)

Re: [computer-go] The 2nd Comuputer Go UEC Cup

Will remote computing be allowed, or do we need to have our hardware on site? Cheers, David On 27, Oct 2008, at 7:21 PM, TAKESHI　ITO wrote: * CALL FOR PARTICIPATION The 2nd Computer Go UEC Cup The University of

Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to David Fotland!

Huygens has 3328 cores, but I do not believe that Mogo has run on more than 800, the number used for both exhibition matches against Kim Myungwan. Cheers, David On 2, Oct 2008, at 9:16 AM, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: Mogo runs on Huygens, which is 3328 cores...

Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to David Fotland!

The @home systems work great for big problems that do not have time constraints. Game playing is interactive and people expect reasonably quick replies. The problem with @home computational models is that you never know when the user will want their machine back, so you have the problem of

Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to David Fotland!

Yes, various kinds of off-line (not in-game) processing could be done. But nothing in a real-time game. Cheers, David On 2, Oct 2008, at 10:48 AM, terry mcintyre wrote: An @home network might be better for things such as creating opening books, testing algorithms, etc.

Re: [computer-go] Time signals in SGF?

time left in seconds Cheers, David On 2, Oct 2008, at 3:12 PM, Peter Drake wrote: Here's the beginning of the SGF file of a game I played on KGS: (;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]HA[2]KM[0.50]TM[1800]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]

Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to David Fotland!

Hi David, Did you take those machines to China? Cheers, David On 1, Oct 2008, at 6:14 AM, David Fotland wrote: I was doing about 40 million playouts per move on 32 Xeon processors and he had eight cores. ___ computer-go mailing list

Re: [computer-go] MoGo v.s. Kim rematch

On 22, Sep 2008, at 10:50 PM, Hideki Kato wrote: David Doshay: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It was 800, just like last time, but the networking had been upgraded from ethernet to infiniband. Olivier said that this should have been a good improvement because he felt that communication overhead

Re: [computer-go] MoGo v.s. Kim rematch

It was 800, just like last time, but the networking had been upgraded from ethernet to infiniband. Olivier said that this should have been a good improvement because he felt that communication overhead was significant. Cheers, David On 22, Sep 2008, at 6:06 AM, terry mcintyre wrote:

Re: [computer-go] Re: sgf format for non-quadratic board sizes?

First move is easy, but depending upon ratio of diameter to length of torus, ladders can get complicated. Cheers, David On 19, Sep 2008, at 10:48 AM, Álvaro Begué wrote: On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Don Dailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would go on a torus be interesting? There are not

Re: Rating systems (was Re: [computer-go] Kaori-Crazystone)

). Cheers, David On 5, Sep 2008, at 1:46 AM, Robert Jasiek wrote: David Doshay wrote: Two separate rating tables were kept, one for handicap games and another for non-handicap games. Over time it turned out that the ratings for individuals converged Did they converge for each person

[computer-go] MoGo v.s. Kim rematch

MoGo and Myungwan Kim will hold an exhibition rematch at the Cotsen Open on Saturday September 20. The exhibition will start at about 5pm Pacific Daylight time. As probably known by all on this list, MoGo won the last game, held at the US Go Congress in Portland Oregon, when it was given a

Re: [computer-go] rz-74 on CGOS ?

On 18, Aug 2008, at 6:58 AM, terry mcintyre wrote: Just a guess: an incarnation of Sluggo? not to my knowledge, but it is true that students do things that I am not aware of and they do make up their own player names. Cheers, David ___

Re: [computer-go] Correction in AGA eJournal...

) is getting repeated a huge number of times. Cheers, David On 12, Aug 2008, at 11:57 AM, Robert Waite wrote: Just in case anyone hadn't seen the correction yet... CORRECTION: The EJ misquoted David Doshay in our 8/7 report on Computer Beats Pro At U.S. Go Congress. What I said is that computer

Re: [computer-go] Correction in AGA eJournal...

also asked Chris to fix it on the AGA site. I figured it would probably make Slashdot quickly anyway, so the story might as well be written by someone with at least a bit of a clue. Bob On Aug 12, 2008, at 1:23 PM, David Doshay wrote: I had asked Chris to print the correction, and he

Re: [computer-go] Re: mogo beats pro!

. Cheers, David On 10, Aug 2008, at 1:06 PM, Mark Boon wrote: On 10-aug-08, at 13:11, David Doshay wrote: As an aside, the pro in question won the US Open, so comments about him being a weak pro seem inappropriate. I don't see where anybody questioned the level of the pro. As far

Re: [computer-go] Games vs professionals

On 11, Aug 2008, at 4:56 AM, Basti Weidemyr wrote: - The review of Xiao Ai Lin vs Leela: http://www.weidemyr.com/egc/cg/XiaoAiLin_Leela-review.sgf - Several people at the congress expressed worries to me about what would happen to the sport Go, if computer programs

Re: [computer-go] Re: mogo beats pro!

It is of no consequence what words WE use to describe this. Journalists will ALWAYS print it that way. If you use too many big words or ideas that are accurate but convoluted, you will either not get the publicity or the journalist will make up something even more absurd. Sorry if I am a bit

Re: [computer-go] beating mogo with time (funny post)

If we do concentrate for just a moment on how to beat mogo, I can report that in the 3 blitz games the pro figured out that multistep kos were the easy way. But in the longer game he presented the same pattern to mogo to start it, but mogo played differently. I thought that was a huge

Re: [computer-go] Re: What's happening at the European Go Congress?

On 11, Aug 2008, at 7:23 PM, Don Dailey wrote: On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 09:55 +0900, Darren Cook wrote: My first impression of watching the game was that Leela was handicapped by having a handicap. By that I mean it would have seen itself so far ahead for the first few moves that is was

Re: [computer-go] Re: mogo beats pro!

more dramatic. Cheers, David On 11, Aug 2008, at 7:42 PM, Hideki Kato wrote: David, I didn't intend to offend any person in this list, sorry for short of my words. I'm just trying to prevent people misunderstand the truth. Hideki David Doshay: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It is of no consequence

Re: [computer-go] Re: mogo beats pro!

, David On 9, Aug 2008, at 9:34 PM, terry mcintyre wrote: I was present; David Doshay said that in ten years, it would be reasonable to expect computers to play even games with pros. Reporters tend to be a bit sloppy at times. In the Oregonian, David is reported as the author of Gnugo -- I've

Re: [computer-go] Re: mogo beats pro!

On 10, Aug 2008, at 4:15 AM, Ray Tayek wrote: At 01:50 AM 8/10/2008, you wrote: Yeah, I am really on a roll ... ... On 9, Aug 2008, at 9:34 PM, terry mcintyre wrote: I was present; David Doshay said that in ten years, it would be reasonable to expect computers to play even games with pros

[computer-go] the more important news from the Go congress

While the mogo game and result is in the newspaper and keeping all of us talking, there was another piece of progress in computer Go that took place at the US Go congress that I think says more about the state of computer go than the 9-stone handicap win. The day before the mogo match

Re: [computer-go] mogo beats pro!

of a mistake by Kim to get an early lead. “I can’t tell you how amazing this is,” David Doshay -- the SlugGo programmer who suggested the match -- told the E-Journal after the game. “I’m shocked at the result. I really didn’t expect the computer to win in a one-hour game.” Kim easily won two blitz games with 9

Re: [computer-go] mogo beats pro!

On 8, Aug 2008, at 7:29 AM, Eric Boesch wrote: On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 8:04 AM, Mark Boon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First of all, congratulations to the MoGo team. Ditto! Absolutely an amazing achievement! Where I do differ in opinion from most is the remarks from the pro. He played

Re: [computer-go] cgos 19x19 has no anchor

I will put up GNU Go when I get home. Cheers, David On 8, Aug 2008, at 8:20 AM, David Fotland wrote: All three anchors have been off-line since yesterday. David ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org

Re: [computer-go] Re: mogo beats pro!

Kim applauded once when Mogo made a good move in a blitz game. I believe that the comment about not using more time, which was in response to my question, applied only to high handicap games. Cheers, David On 8, Aug 2008, at 9:15 AM, Peter Drake wrote: One person who seemed to be in

Re: [computer-go] CGOS request

After I get home from the Congress I can set up a machine that can run GNU Go, most probably for 2 board sizes. Cheers, David On 3, Aug 2008, at 11:12 AM, Don Dailey wrote: The main web page for CGOS has been updated with links to the various standings pages and updated instructions for

Re: [computer-go] Human-computer showdown

The cluster is in Amsterdam, not France. Cheers, David On 21, Jul 2008, at 2:54 PM, Peter Drake wrote: Pacific time. We'll do this in the Computer Go room. We'll announce the usernames when the time comes. On Jul 21, 2008, at 2:28 PM, Jason House wrote: 1pm in which timezone? Which

Re: [computer-go] Re: tournaments

My program runs on a cluster ... no way around that. Cheers, David On 17, Jul 2008, at 12:31 PM, Dave Dyer wrote: One possibility is to use one of the VM products that are available to host unix on a windows machine, or windows on a unix machine. VirtualBox looks particilarly promising,

Re: [computer-go] Re: tournaments

On 17, Jul 2008, at 1:34 PM, terry mcintyre wrote: --- On Thu, 7/17/08, David Doshay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: David Doshay [EMAIL PROTECTED] My program runs on a cluster ... no way around that. David, you're just not taking full advantage of Virtualization ... simply emulate

Re: [computer-go] Computer Go tournament at EGC, Leksand, Sweden

On 17, Jul 2008, at 1:02 PM, Rémi Coulom wrote: David Doshay wrote: Had I known that I might have participated. I thought I would have to ship my cluster, and with my previous traveling cluster I thought it would never get past the US airport security ... is was such a mass of wires

Re: [computer-go] US Go Congress Computer Tournament: Who's Playing

Hello all, The total prize money pool from which various prizes will be awarded will be at least $1250. The uncertainty in the distribution is because we may wish to keep some prize money for computer programs that compete against humans. At the Cotsen Open in Los Angeles, programs have

Re: [computer-go] US Go Congress Computer Tournament: Who's Playing

Ooops, that should be that play against humans may be different than play against other computer programs. Cheers, David On 9, Jun 2008, at 5:33 PM, David Doshay wrote: Play against humans may be different than play against humans

Re: [computer-go] Computer Olympiad registration reminder: 11 days left

SlugGo is not ready for such a big trip this year. Hopefully next year ... Cheers, David On 5, Jun 2008, at 11:39 AM, Joshua Shriver wrote: Wish I could go, maybe next year. Amazed that the WCCC is being held at the same place just 3 days after. :) -Josh On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 4:08

[computer-go] Money prizes at US Go Congress

A while ago I asked this list what would encourage more programmers to bring their programs to the US Go Congress. Prize money was mentioned by several, and as a result the foundation I run, Hierarchical Systems Research Foundation, put up $1,000 for prize money. A donor outside HSRF has

Re: [computer-go] Random

Hi, As mentioned before, Monte Carlo simulations in physics was my thesis topic, and there we need REALLY good PRNGs or we see the effect in the results. There is always a tradeoff between fast and good. If the newer Mersine Twister algorithms (which are very good) is too slow and you want to

Re: [computer-go] Random

These shuffles are different than the one I used and attempted to describe. Cheers, David On 16, May 2008, at 12:55 PM, terry mcintyre wrote: An interesting note from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knuth_shuffle which appears to be pertinent to Don's remarks about a limited number of games:

[computer-go] Money for computer Go (was: Ing Challenge)

On 27, Mar 2008, at 3:39 PM, David Fotland wrote: US go congress (August, small prize this year) Since I announced that HSRF will supply $1,000 total of prize money for computer Go at the US Congress this year, another person contacted me and has agreed to add a minimum of $250. The offer

Re: [computer-go] State of the art of pattern matching

Our pattern matching work is just now starting to run. We will post details when we have done more testing. Cheers, David On 26, Mar 2008, at 11:08 AM, Mark Boon wrote: Lately I have been putting some effort into pattern-matching. Although I have made progress, the result was not as good

[computer-go] Prize money for computer tournament at US Go Congress

Hello programmers, Hierarchical Systems Research Foundation (HSRF), a privately funded IRS recognized 501(c)3 public benefit organization, is providing a total of $1,000 in prize money for a computer-computer tournament to be held at the 2008 US Go Congress in Portland Oregon. While the exact

Re: [computer-go] Computer Go event in European Go Congress, Sweden

Unfortunately, the overlap with the US Go Congress will prevent SlugGo from attending. We are working towards having a cluster and SlugGo at the US Congress. Cheers, David On 16, Mar 2008, at 8:59 AM, Nick Wedd wrote: This year the annual European Computer Go Congress is in Leksand, Sweden,

Re: [computer-go] Hybrid theory

We are still bringing up our 2nd method, so we are not yet as far as choosing a voting method. Cheers, David On 11, Mar 2008, at 12:18 PM, Alain Baeckeroot wrote: Le vendredi 1 février 2008, David Doshay a écrit : This is the direction in which we are moving with SlugGo. We also expect

Re: [computer-go] Hybrid theory

This is the direction in which we are moving with SlugGo. We also expect it to be difficult to integrate different approaches, but this has always been our research direction: when there are multiple codes which will each give an evaluation of a situation, how does one design an arbitrator that

Re: [computer-go] Hybrid theory

/pattern matching systems, etc., can all have very different ways of representing why a particular choice is the highest valued and what the distance is between the lower valued choices. Cheers, David On 1, Feb 2008, at 12:29 PM, Alain Baeckeroot wrote: Le vendredi 1 février 2008, David Doshay

[computer-go] Hydra theory (was Hybrid theory)

I looked up borda voting on Wikipedia. I did not know this was called Borda voting, and it might be called a zeroth-order version of what I am thinking. Rather than just take rank order from each, I intended to try to include other metrics, for example, some measure of distance from top. One

Re: [computer-go] Hydra theory (was Hybrid theory)

On 1, Feb 2008, at 5:39 PM, terry mcintyre wrote: Hydra ( apt choice, David! ) While I at first intended it as a minor pun on Hybrid, when reading your reply I realized that there may have been a subconscious nod to Chrilly Donninger and his Hydra chess program. So, I will acknowledge his

Re: [computer-go] Hydra theory (was Hybrid theory)

On 1, Feb 2008, at 7:31 PM, Don Dailey wrote: terry mcintyre wrote: ... From Don and Terry's comments and suggestions it should be obvious that the answers are not so obvious, and thus this is a reasonable subject for research. I appreciate these pointers to voting theory, and I am also

Re: [computer-go] 19x19 Study

These are G5 Macs, so if we get a binary it needs to be appropriate. We can do the compiling if you don't want to, but you may not wish to deliver us your code, and in that case I can make you an account so you can compile it and then delete the source if you wish. The cluster will be available

Re: [computer-go] 19x19 Study

wrote: The G5 macs are the power-pc version, right? the pre-Intel version. - Original Message From: David Doshay [EMAIL PROTECTED] These are G5 Macs, __ __ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo

Re: [computer-go] KGS bot tournaments: poll results

You must have been tired ... Continue to use Absolute? Cheers, David On 28, Jan 2008, at 3:56 AM, Nick Wedd wrote: A majority for Absolute, a minority for byo-yomi, and no-one for Canadian. I shall continue to use Canadian. ___ computer-go

Re: [computer-go] KGS bot tournaments: poll

Hello All, First, Thanks to Nick for doing these tournaments and for asking what we would like. Sticking with most of the replies I have seen so far, I will send my votes on the form directly to Nick, but will comment here on a few points. First, I am wondering about the 2-out-of-3

Re: [computer-go] On average how many board updates/sec can top Go programs do these days?

The problem here is that you asked mutually contradictory things. You defined what you meant by a board update, in which you specified a list of things, and you also asked about top programs. The top programs do not do the kinds of evaluations you specify, although older conventional

Re: [computer-go] How to get more participation in 19x19 CGOS?

I also run from Macs, and have no problem connecting to CGOS. Cheers, David On 9, Jan 2008, at 8:51 AM, Mark Boon wrote: I have a Java version of the old Goliath 3. I have a GTP bridge also. If it's not a lot of work I'd consider putting it on 19x19 CGOS. How would I go about doing that?

Re: [computer-go] How to get more participation in 19x19 CGOS?

The only reason that SlugGo is not on 19x19 CGOS is that we are working towards a version that does something different than the version that was running a year ago. When we have the new features running we will begin playing there. It is my opinion that 30 minutes per side is common for

Re: [computer-go] How to design the stronger playout policy?

I have been interested in monte-carlo approaches to Go since running my first MC simulations in magnetic phase transitions when I was in graduate school in the 1980's. What held me back, even when the latest crop of MC programs started winning against older stronger programs and my program

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