Re: [computer-go] New scalability study progress report

2008-01-20 Thread Hideki Kato
Don Dailey: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: FatMan uses a fixed memory allocation and I think Mogo does too so I don't even have a simple way to know how much memory FatMan is effectively utilizing. Just as info, MoGo allocates memory dynamically. I saw it via top command on Linux. -Hideki The time

Re: [computer-go] New scalability study progress report

2008-01-20 Thread Tom Cooper
This is very cool. As of 261 games played, I find it very difficult to guess whether the mogo curve is beginning to dramatically flatten, or will continue to rise steeply. I have a few questions. I can't see the cross table, I guess you haven't put it up yet? How do you decide the pairings?

Re: [computer-go] New scalability study progress report

2008-01-20 Thread Don Dailey
I will just let the tests run and we can interpret the results later. I believe Mogo has some code to reuse nodes in the tree - although it may not be quite as efficient. Olivier seemed to think it would work acceptably well. - Don Michael Williams wrote: Also, with the parameters you are

Re: [computer-go] New scalability study progress report

2008-01-20 Thread Don Dailey
Tom Cooper wrote: This is very cool. As of 261 games played, I find it very difficult to guess whether the mogo curve is beginning to dramatically flatten, or will continue to rise steeply. I have a few questions. I can't see the cross table, I guess you haven't put it up yet? I intend

Re: [computer-go] New scalability study progress report

2008-01-20 Thread Olivier Teytaud
[... discussion about bounded size tree...] Olivier seemed to think it would work acceptably well. Yes, I think so. We trust the pruning method. If we are wrong, it's a good piece of news for us - we can improve the algorithm just by increasing the constants :-) Olivier

Re: [computer-go] New scalability study progress report

2008-01-20 Thread Michael Williams
That makes sense. It would also be interesting to see a special player in the mix: a Mogo_13B, with 200k nodes in the tree. Don Dailey wrote: I will just let the tests run and we can interpret the results later. I believe Mogo has some code to reuse nodes in the tree - although it may

Re: [computer-go] New scalability study progress report

2008-01-20 Thread terry mcintyre
, 2008 5:45:30 AM Subject: Re: [computer-go] New scalability study progress report Tom Cooper wrote: This is very cool. As of 261 games played, I find it very difficult to guess whether the mogo curve is beginning to dramatically flatten, or will continue to rise steeply. I have a few

Re: [computer-go] New scalability study progress report

2008-01-19 Thread Michael Williams
Would be cool if you could somehow also show the average memory footprint and time used at each doubling for each program. Don Dailey wrote: I wish I had named the weakest players _00 instead of _01 and expressed everything as you are suggesting, it would indeed be clearer. I could

Re: [computer-go] New scalability study progress report

2008-01-19 Thread Michael Williams
Also, with the parameters you are using for MoGo, I think the tree will stop growing at 100k nodes, which doesn't take very long to get to. Don Dailey wrote: I wish I had named the weakest players _00 instead of _01 and expressed everything as you are suggesting, it would indeed be clearer.

Re: [computer-go] New scalability study progress report

2008-01-19 Thread Don Dailey
Michael Williams wrote: Would be cool if you could somehow also show the average memory footprint and time used at each doubling for each program. It would be cool, but each program is running on different hardware and machine which can be loaded up or not, so at best it would an average of

[computer-go] New scalability study progress report

2008-01-18 Thread Don Dailey
The new scalability study is in progress. It will be very slow going, only a few games a day can be played but we are trying to get more computers utilized. I will update the data a few times a day for all to see. This includes a crosstable and ratings graphs. The games will be made

Re: [computer-go] New scalability study progress report

2008-01-18 Thread Jeff Nowakowski
On Fri, 2008-01-18 at 20:31 -0500, Don Dailey wrote: Although it's not on the graph itself, Gnugo-3.7.11 level 10 is set to be 1800.0 ELO. On the web page it says you are using --min-level 8 --max-level 8. Each data point in the x axis represent a doubling in power. There are 13 doublings

Re: [computer-go] New scalability study progress report

2008-01-18 Thread Don Dailey
I wish I had named the weakest players _00 instead of _01 and expressed everything as you are suggesting, it would indeed be clearer. I could actually fix this by reprogramming the scripts without changing the running programs. If I get a burst of energy perhaps ... The tarball is slightly

Re: [computer-go] New scalability study progress report

2008-01-18 Thread Don Dailey
Jeff Nowakowski wrote: On Fri, 2008-01-18 at 20:31 -0500, Don Dailey wrote: Although it's not on the graph itself, Gnugo-3.7.11 level 10 is set to be 1800.0 ELO. On the web page it says you are using --min-level 8 --max-level 8. I realized after I started the study that I was