[computer-go] What was the specific design of the Mogo version which beat the pro...

All, Can anyone detail the design of the version of Mogo that beat the professional? Or is there a web-page where at least the general approach has been described? Is the information even public? I am not seeing the the implementation details, just the overall design and general strategies.

Re: [computer-go] Cross-Question on Pamplona

Remi, I find it interesting that he won with the slowest hardware. I am still wondering how much performance is still a low influencer. In other words, a really fast poor algorithm won't be a better algorithm on slower hardware (or slower software). Jim Rémi Coulom wrote: Ingo Althöfer

Re: [computer-go] Cross-Question on Pamplona

Oops...should have read ...a really fast poor algorithm won't be*_at_* a better algorithm on slower hardware... Jim O'Flaherty wrote: Remi, I find it interesting that he won with the slowest hardware. I am still wondering how much performance is still a low influencer. In other words

Re: [computer-go] Cross-Question on Pamplona

Coulom wrote: Jim O'Flaherty wrote: Remi, I find it interesting that he won with the slowest hardware. I am still wondering how much performance is still a low influencer. In other words, a really fast poor algorithm won't be a better algorithm on slower hardware (or slower software). Jim

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!

in the thread. Select that email. Scroll to the bottom. And if it is not already expanded, select the final email in the thread, and you should see the one you sent. I sure wish there was more options in Gmail around this behavior. Jim O'Flaherty On Jan 12, 2015 7:59 AM, Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com wrote

Re: [Computer-go] Number of 3x3 patterns

Ah. That makes sense. It's a pattern centered on a possible next move. Very cool. Tysvm for explaining. On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Detlef Schmicker <d...@physik.de> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Am 03.11.2015 um 20:24 schrieb Jim

Re: [Computer-go] Number of 3x3 patterns

I don't see how "leave the center empty" works as a valid case, assuming this it just any valid 3x3 window on the board. Given bots playing each other, there can be 9x9 clumps of a stone of the same color. I can see it being argued there is no computational value in this specific pattern instance.

Re: [Computer-go] KGS bot tournaments - what are your opinions?

I second Peter's response. On Oct 10, 2015 10:33 AM, "Peter Drake" wrote: > I'm also for no limits, if only because there's no way to enforce them. > > If there is to be a limited division, I'd like to see all programs run on > identical hardware. > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at

Re: [Computer-go] Life and Death

I think you forgot to suggest which pharmaceuticals, legal or otherwise, to be using while watching this. Without said pharmacological assistance, that video doesn't make a bit of sense to me. On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 9:13 PM, djhbrown . wrote: > >

Re: [Computer-go] re comments on Life and Death

I disagree with the assertion MC must be the starting point. It appears to have stagnated into a local optima; i.e. it's going to take something different to dislodge MC, just like it took MC to dislodge the traditional approaches preceding MC's introduction a decade ago. Ultimately, I think it

Re: [Computer-go] re comments on Life and Death

I'm very much looking forward to your sharing your progress with us. Perhaps you could give some more concrete examples of what you have done already; i.e. where you have moved from the messy human linguistic/cognitive "principles" to something much more formal? On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 2:23 AM,

Re: [Computer-go] re comments on Life and Death

Awesome! Tysvm for replying and posting the link. On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 4:26 AM, Robert Jasiek <jas...@snafu.de> wrote: > On 10.09.2015 10:29, Jim O'Flaherty wrote: > >> Perhaps you could give some more concrete examples of what you have done >> already; i.e. w

Re: [Computer-go] re comments on Life and Death

I'm not convinced that it's reducible (as in reductionism) to get to a rational (i.e. highly influenced by deterministic math) set of principles to describe Go (which appears to be a precondition to getting it mapped into your expert system). In fact, I don't think it can currently be done for a

Re: [Computer-go] impact of AI on Go ... Where / How do i start ?

Gonçalo wrote, "Well, I'd argue there is nothing inherently superior about copying the human natural processes..." I couldn't agree more! What inspires me about biological evolution is it's fantastic use of temporal accretion compression; i.e. DNA viewed as fractals. Given that meta-"natural

Re: [Computer-go] Goggernaut Russia+China vs The World stalled machine cycles

I think you enjoy seeing what you write and/or visually concoct. And I'm not sure anyone but you understands what you write and visually concoct. I have the vague notion your shooting blindly into this cognitive space hoping to hit a eureka mother lode; kind of like playing the lottery. Each email

Re: [Computer-go] Computer-go Digest, Vol 69, Issue 2

You mean literally the slowest of all the constraints in all of software engineering (excluding waiting on UI input) in a domain that cannot currently get enough unconstrained CPU and memory cycles? On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 8:53 AM, djhbrown . wrote: > . > "sharing code is

Re: [Computer-go] Leela 0.6.2, OpenCL support, including GTP engines

This is wonderful, both the engine and the UI. And the fact the engine is available alone, is awesome! Tysvm! On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 6:20 PM, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: > Hi all, > > I've done a major update of Leela, including integration of DCNN, and > optional usage of

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo to play against Ke Jie

This is SO exciting. On Jun 4, 2016 10:01 PM, Ingo Althöfer <3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de> wrote: > Hi, > > during the amateur World Championships in Wuxi > the new president of the international Go Association, > Yang Jun'an, announced that Chinese young star Ke Jie > will play against AlphaGo. > > No

Re: [Computer-go] GRS

Have you considered using either of the two high level Go AIs (mentioned on this email group this last week) as your end-of-game live-group estimator (and could even use their scoring mechanism, too)? On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 8:02 AM, Henry Hemming wrote: > Unfortunately I

Re: [Computer-go] Creating the playout NN

The purpose is to see if there is some sort of "simplification" available to the emerged complex functions encoded in the weights. It is a typical reductionist strategy, especially where there is an attempt to converge on human conceptualization. Given the complexity of the nuances in Go, my

Re: [Computer-go] Creating the playout NN

BTW, by improvement, I don't mean higher Go playing skill...I mean appearing close to the same level of Go playing skill _per_ _move_ with far less computational cost. It's the total game outcomes that will fall. On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 3:55 PM, Jim O'Flaherty <jim.oflaherty...@gmail.com>

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo to play against Ke Jie

Until it comes officially from Demis Hassabis, it's a rumor to drive traffic to the "leak" announcer. On Jun 10, 2016 9:25 AM, "Falk Heuer" wrote: > According to China Daily from 31.5, they are probably playing in October. >

Re: [Computer-go] Crazystone on Steam

Tysvm! The video on Stream is a very nice touch. And the first review rocks! On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Andreas Persson wrote: > Congrats on the Steam release of Crazystone Rémi! Hope it will sell well. > For people that haven't seen it here is a link >

Re: [Computer-go] Keynote Lecture by Aja Huang

I enthusiastically second that! On Jun 16, 2016 1:15 PM, "David Fotland" wrote: > Can the lecture be recorded or broadcast for those of us who can’t be > there? > > Regards, > > David > > > -Original Message- > > From: Computer-go

Re: [Computer-go] Replicating AlphaGo results

I think the first goal was and is to find a pathway that clearly works to reach into the upper echelons of human strength, even if the first version used a huge amount of resources. Once found, then the approach can be explored for efficiencies from both directions, top down (take this away and

Re: [Computer-go] Mastering the Game of Go with Deep Neural Networks and Tree Search

Robert, I'm not seeing the ROI in attempting to map human idiosyncratic linguistic systems to/into a Go engine. Which language would be the one to use; English, Chinese, Japanese, etc? As abstraction goes deeper, the nuance of each human language diverges from the others (due to the way the human

Re: [Computer-go] Knowledge Details

Robert, How have these things emerged in the chess AI world following Deep Blue and Kasperov's loss over a decade ago? To what degree does "human expert details of chess theory matters" (where the term "matters" is pretty squishy). From what I can see, that is not what happened and while I am not

Re: [Computer-go] Mastering the Game of Go with Deep Neural Networks and Tree Search

, "Rainer Rosenthal" <r.rosent...@web.de> wrote: > ~~ > Robert: "Hey, AI, you should provide explanations!" > AI: "Why?" > ~~ > > Cheers, > Rainer > >

Re: [Computer-go] The Game AI Forum is back

the members of the > list to move there, I feel that splitting into two online discussion places > would be detrimental. I won't censor topics about the game of Go on > game-ai-forum.org, though, if you really want to post there. > > Rémi > > On 02/01/2016 02:56 PM, Jim O'Flaher

Re: [Computer-go] The Game AI Forum is back

Richard, I'm probably missing the obvious, I went to the forum, but was unable to find a forum specifically for Go. I found Abolone, Hex and several others. Thank you, Jim On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 9:08 AM, Richard Lorentz wrote: > Thank you very much. Personally I

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!

Aja, My anticipation couldn't be any higher, I don't think! I wish you and your AlphaGo team the best of luck! Namaste, Jim On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Aja Huang wrote: > Hi Ingo, > > On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 3:49 PM, "Ingo Althöfer" <3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de> > wrote:

Re: [Computer-go] Finding Alphago's Weaknesses

I was surprised the Lee Sedol didn't take the game a bit further to probe AlphaGo and see how it responded to [...complex kos, complex ko fights, complex sekis, complex semeais, ..., multiple connection problems, complex life and death problems] as ammunition for his next game. I think he was so

Re: [Computer-go] Finding Alphago's Weaknesses

I think we are going to see a case of human professionals having drifted into a local optima in at least three areas: 1) Early training around openings is so ingrained in their acquiring their skill (optimal neural plasticity window), there has been very little new discovery around the first

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo & DCNN: Handling long-range dependency

our right about the more rigorous meaning of teacher (or Sensei) being quite a bit further away. I'm hopeful other AI breakthroughs outside of the Go domain will help close the gap more quickly. On Mar 14, 2016 9:21 AM, "Robert Jasiek" <jas...@snafu.de> wrote: > On 14.03.2016 08:59

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to AlphaGo

I'd expect this achievement by AlphaGo is very similar to when the first human ran a 4 minute mile. No one had done it prior. However, right after Roger Bannister did it, suddenly there were people all over the planet doing it. Roger Bannister essentially made the possibility real, and then the

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo & DCNN: Handling long-range dependency

Whatever the case, a huge turn has been made and the next 5 years in Go are going to be surprising and absolutely fascinating. For a game that +2,500 years old, I'm beyond euphoric to be alive to get to witness this. On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Darren Cook wrote: > > You

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to AlphaGo

It was exhilerating to witness history being made! Awesome! On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 2:17 AM, David Fotland wrote: > Tremendous games by AlphaGo. Congratulations! > > > > *From:* Computer-go [mailto:computer-go-boun...@computer-go.org] *On > Behalf Of *Lukas van de Wiel

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to AlphaGo

; Thanks all. AlphaGo has won the match against Lee Sedol. But there are >> still 2 games to play. >> Aja >> >> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 5:49 PM, Jim O'Flaherty < >> jim.oflaherty...@gmail.com> wrote: >> It was exhilerating to witness history being mad

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to AlphaGo

de has won at >> least once. This >> way AlphaGo will be forced to demonstrate its full strength over >> a whole game >> which we are all too curious to see. >> >> Thomas >> >> On Sat, 12 Mar 2016, Aja Huan

Re: [Computer-go] new challenge for Go programmers

I agree, "cannot" is too strong. But, values close enough to "extremely difficult as to be unlikely" is why I used it. On Mar 30, 2016 11:12 AM, "Robert Jasiek" <jas...@snafu.de> wrote: > On 30.03.2016 16:58, Jim O'Flaherty wrote: > >> My own stu

Re: [Computer-go] new challenge for Go programmers

I don't think djhbrown is a software engineer. And he seems to have the most fits. :) On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 6:37 PM, uurtamo . wrote: > This is clearly the alphago final laugh; make an email list responder to > send programmers into fits. > > s. > On Mar 30, 2016 4:16 PM,

Re: [Computer-go] Beginner question : how to choose a board representation

What programming language and OS environment have you chosen? On Apr 10, 2016 2:19 AM, "Jean-Francois Romang" wrote: > Hello to everyone ; I'm a newcomer in this list and computer go > programming. I have a chess programming background, but I want to start > something new. :-)

Re: [Computer-go] computergo.org

So I hear you volunteering to create and maintain that site/page? {smirk} On Mar 19, 2016 6:40 AM, "Gonçalo Mendes Ferreira" wrote: > Instead of just redirecting, it could be a directory page for: > - various Nick Wedd pages > - CGOS > - mailing lists > - the game AI forum > -

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to AlphaGo (Statistical significance of results)

I think you are reinforcing Simon's original point; i.e. using a more fine grained approach to statically approximate AlphaGo's ELO where fine grained is degree of vetting per move and/or a series of moves. That is a substantially larger sample size and each sample will have a pretty high degree

Re: [Computer-go] *****SPAM***** Re: UEC cup 2nd day

Which one is Remi's? On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 1:09 AM, David Fotland wrote: > There was one program (Shrike) that had a dnn without search. It didn’t > finish in the top 8. Zen and Crazystone have custom DNN implementations. > Dark Forest uses Torch. The rest used

Re: [Computer-go] Go Bot for the Browser?

This is wonderful! Tysvm for reposting! On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 3:07 PM, Álvaro Begué wrote: > A while back somebody posted a link to a browser implementation of a DCNN: > https://chrisc36.github.io/deep-go/ > > Would something like that do? > > Álvaro. > > > > On Wed,

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo won first game!

Congratulations, AlphaGo and team. And by resignation! That's fantastic! Anyone know where the tipping point was? Did Sedol get the end game order just slightly off and AlphaGo took advantage? Or was their an earlier poor move by Sedol and/or surprising (and good) move by AlphaGo? I'm WAY too

Re: [Computer-go] new challenge for Go programmers

My own study says that we cannot top down include "English explanations" of how the ANNs (Artificial Neural Networks, of which DCNN is just one type) arrive a conclusions. If you want to translate the computational value of an ANN into something other than the essential operation that it is

Re: [Computer-go] new challenge for Go programmers

Robert, This is exactly why I think the "explanation of the suggested moves" requires a much deeper baking into the participating ANN's (bottom up approach). And given what I have read thus far, I am still seeing the risk extraordinarily high and the payoff exceedingly low, outside an academic

Re: [Computer-go] "English Explanations" based on Neural Networks

unt to get a small payoff just to begin to sound out where the threshold of diminishing returns might be on the top down approach. Jim On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Petr Baudis <pa...@ucw.cz> wrote: > On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 08:51:30AM -0500, Jim O'Flaherty wrote: > > What

Re: [Computer-go] new challenge for Go programmers

Ingo, That's precisely what has my knickers in a twist regarding djhbrown; his prior behavior. I'm with you in that I hope that he better manages his participation and uses list feedback to spend a little more time filtering what his "creativity" so it fits closer to the listening of this

Re: [Computer-go] OmegaGo

The td;lr I got from his "treatise" was "be cautious investing in mimicking AlphaGo's success, or you will be electrocuted by some Jacob fella" djhbrown's been doing pretty well recently staying related and relevant to the subject area. This is the first time in awhile he's wandered this far off

Re: [Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament

Hmmm...if bots weaker than GnuGo are actively discouraged, perhaps there could be a separate tournament level for that grouping of "aspiring computer Go" entrants (if it isn't too much extra work). Having bots earn the right to move into the higher level of (i.e. have met the entry requirement of

Re: [Computer-go] Is Go group pattern recognition by CNN possible?

Petr, Tysvm! I really appreciate that. Jim On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 4:41 AM, Josef Moudrik wrote: > Thank you! > > Dne čt 21. 4. 2016 11:17 uživatel Petr Baudis napsal: > >> Hi! >> >> Since "the record's stuck", I have found this as another rant

Re: [Computer-go] Video of Aja Huang's presentation

Awesome! Tysvm! On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 8:03 AM, Igor Polyakov <weiqiprogramm...@gmail.com> wrote: > Here it is: > > https://youtu.be/KoIv7oYZ8wc > > On 2016-07-06 12:03, Jim O'Flaherty wrote: > > Any chance someone has put this on Youtube for those of us who primarily

Re: [Computer-go] Video of Aja Huang's presentation

Any chance someone has put this on Youtube for those of us who primarily consume videos on phones or tablets (where a 2.0GB is very large to store locally)? And if so, replying with a link here would be deeply appreciated. On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 10:38 AM, "Ingo Althöfer" <3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de>

Re: [Computer-go] dealing with multiple local optima

NEAT and hyperNEAT are awesome when "evolving" fairly simple networks with a very limited number of input and output dimensions. However, without access to some serious computational power, scaling the NEAT method up to the kind of level you would need for the current encoding methods for the

Re: [Computer-go] Notes from the Asilomar Conference on Beneficial AI

I like your perspective, Adrian. It is more inline with the fractal nature of knowledge itself. And the idea that computers might be able to computationally explore deeper iterations in the fractal space than are currently possible within human neural cognition is quite exciting. On Fri, Feb 10,

Re: [Computer-go] computergo.org domain

Are you implying this email list will stop functioning if this domain isn't renewed? On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 12:07 AM, Joshua Shriver wrote: > My domain expires in 6 days, so heads up it's free to grab if anyone wants > it. > > -Josh >

Re: [Computer-go] Poll: Scientific Breakthrough of the Year 2016

Using Windows 10 and Chrome, I voted successfully. I also posted a link to it on Facebook. On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:21 AM, Michael Alford wrote: > I've tried Firefox and Safari on Mac, and Firefox and Chrome on Debian. I > have used the link and accessed the page from the

Re: [Computer-go] Our Silicon Overlord

For each arcane position reached, there would now be ample data for AlphaGo to train on that particular pathway. And it would emerge two strategies. The first would be to avoid the state in the first place. And the second would be to optimize play in that particular state. So, the human advantage

Re: [Computer-go] Our Silicon Overlord

of Go. On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 12:55 AM, Robert Jasiek <jas...@snafu.de> wrote: > On 05.01.2017 17:32, Jim O'Flaherty wrote: > >> I don't follow. >> > > 1) "For each arcane position reached, there would now be ample data for > AlphaGo to train on that particula

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

Tysvm for posting that! I had predicted it was AlphaGo from the beginning. If there is a competitor emerging, I think we would have seen some sort of publicity around it, if not just to provoke a response with the AlphaGo team. On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Janzert

Re: [Computer-go] Our Silicon Overlord

quot; <jas...@snafu.de> wrote: > On 06.01.2017 23:37, Jim O'Flaherty wrote: > >> into a position with superko [...] how do you even get AlphaGo into a the >> arcane >> state in the first place, >> > > I can't in practice. > > I have not provided a wa

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

David, that's a fantastic and succinct summarization. Tysvm! On Jan 9, 2017 12:19 AM, "David Ongaro" wrote: > On Jan 5, 2017, at 10:49 PM, Robert Jasiek wrote: > > > On 06.01.2017 03:36, David Ongaro wrote: > > Two amateur players where analyzing a

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

That was a quite elegant way to present the idea. Ty for sharing. On Jan 5, 2017 8:36 PM, "David Ongaro" wrote: > This discussion reminds me of an incident which happened at the EGC in > Tuchola 2004 (maybe someone can find a source for this). I don’t remember > all

[Computer-go] AlphaGo returns in May...

Looks like AlphaGo is returning in May (next month): http://www.wired.co.uk/article/deepmind-go-alphago-china-may-2017 ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go

Re: [Computer-go] Patterns and bad shape

It seems chasing down good moves for bad shapes would be an explosion of "exception cases", like combinatorially huge. So, while you would be saving some branching in the search space, you would be ballooning up the number of patterns for which to scan by orders of magnitude. Wouldn't it be

Re: [Computer-go] Patterns and bad shape

omputer-go.org] *On Behalf Of *Jim O'Flaherty *Sent:* Monday, April 17, 2017 7:05 AM *To:* computer-go@computer-go.org *Subject:* Re: [Computer-go] Patterns and bad shape It seems chasing down good moves for bad shapes would be an explosion of "exception cases", like combinatorially huge

[Computer-go] What was the final score after the counting of AlphaGo-vs-Ke Jie Game #1?

The announcer didn't have her mic on, so I couldn't hear the final score announced... So, what was the final score after the counting of AlphaGo-vs-Ke Jie Game #1? ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org

Re: [Computer-go] What was the final score after the counting of AlphaGo-vs-Ke Jie Game #1?

I have now heard that AlphaGo one by 0.5 points. On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 2:00 AM, Jim O'Flaherty <jim.oflaherty...@gmail.com> wrote: > The announcer didn't have her mic on, so I couldn't hear the final score > announced... > > So, what was the final score after the counting of

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo Zero SGF - Free Use or Copyright?

compressed dump of it somewhere. Then, it would be just a matter of getting it loaded into a DB to create all sorts of indexes, queries, novel subsets, etc. Namaste, Jim O'Flaherty Founder/CEO Precision Location Intelligence, Inc. <http://www.precisionlocationintelligence.com/> • Irving, TX,

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo Zero SGF - Free Use or Copyright?

Couldn't they be useful as part of a set of training data for newly trained engines and networks? On Oct 23, 2017 2:34 AM, "Petri Pitkanen" wrote: > They are free to use in any attribution. Game score is a reflection of > historical fact and hence not copyrightable.

Re: [Computer-go] difficult things for alphazero

Dave, To whom is the "your" in your first sentence referring? There is no context from which to derive to whom you are speaking. On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Dave Dyer wrote: > > Without reference to your specific ideas for games that might be > difficult to solve, I

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo Zero SGF - Free Use or Copyright?

diatribes ESPECIALLY about other participating members. Respectfully, Jim O'Flaherty On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 5:42 AM, <david.ong...@hamburg.de> wrote: > On 2017-10-23 at 23:56, Thomas Rohde <t...@bonobo.com> wrote: > > > On 2017-10-23 at 19:15, Xavier Combelle <xavier.

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo Zero SGF - Free Use or Copyright?

It's related to this line of thinking by Douglas Hoffstadter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copycat_(software) Namaste, Jim O'Flaherty Founder/CEO Precision Location Intelligence, Inc. <http://www.precisionlocationintelligence.com/> • Irving, TX, USA 469-358-0633 <4693580633> • j

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo Zero SGF - Free Use or Copyright?

When I get time to spend dozens of hours on computer go again, I plan to play in Robert's area with semantic genetic algorithms. I am an Architect Software Engineer. Robert's work will allow me better than starting entirely from random in much the same way AlphaGo bootstrapped from the 100K of

Re: [Computer-go] Breakthrough: FineArt beating Ke Jie with 2 Handicap Stones

Wow! Tysvm for the explicit _online_ game record. White was FineArt. And Ke Jie, even granted a two stone handicap, lost in a reading contest in a life/death struggle between two groups leading to the resignation by move 78. That's astounding! Namaste, Jim O'Flaherty Founder/CEO QA Locate

Re: [Computer-go] Breakthrough: FineArt beating Ke Jie with 2 Handicap Stones

can't give FineArt h2 > because it is as strong as he is. Thanks, Ingo, for the iink to the > forum. I have the games and will share them. > > Michael > > On 1/21/18 6:22 AM, Jim O'Flaherty wrote: > > It's unclear to me who played black with the two handicap stones. Ke

Re: [Computer-go] New paper by DeepMind

Tysvm for the clarification, Tokumoto. On Thu, Dec 6, 2018, 8:02 PM 甲斐徳本 What's insane about it? > To me, what Jim O'Flaherty stated is common sense in the field of patents, > and any patent attorney would attest to that. If I may add, Jim's last > sentence should read "G

Re: [Computer-go] New paper by DeepMind

the ground all around this area is sufficiently salted to stop anyone from attempting to exploit nearby patent claims. Respectfully, Jim O'Flaherty On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 5:44 PM Erik van der Werf wrote: > On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 11:28 PM Rémi Coulom wrote: > >> Also, the AlphaZe

Re: [Computer-go] New paper by DeepMind

s functionally meaningless. Who is >> there to sue? >> >> Moreover, there is no enforceable patent on the broad class of algorithms >> that could reproduce these results. No? >> >> s. >> >> On Fri, Dec 7, 2018, 4:16 AM Jim O'Flaherty > wrote: >>

Re: [computer-go] .. if Monte-Carlo programs would play infinitestrong

Don (and others), Depending upon your definition of God, I think most of the God conversation is kind of silly. Given He is omnipotent, he has the ability to alter one of His created entities such that it is not possible to beat Him PRIOR to casting His reply as white. The alteration

Re: [computer-go] Making Java much faster

Mark, It's true. My interpretation of Sun's documents: In the more recent versions of Java (1.4, 1.5, etc.), the runtime analysis in the -server option of Sun's Hotspot JVM is able to do several different types of optimization around potentially final and mostly final methods. The most

Re: [computer-go] Making Java much faster

Wodzu, There are roughly two types of approaches to bettering the skill of computer go solutions; incremental and breakthrough. I think for incremental solutions, ones where lots of work results in small shifts in better go playing performance, you are correct. Any optimizations around

Re: [computer-go] Mega transposition table

they choose to optimize execution paths and data flows. Just figured that it would matter in C++/C in a similar way. Jim Don Dailey wrote: On Fri, 2007-01-19 at 17:19 -0600, Jim O'Flaherty, Jr. wrote: Don, So could you elaborate on where you are allocating space for big_array in your

Re: [computer-go] Can a computer beat a human?

You can if you use some sort of compression scheme...involving multiple values per quanta. I bet there's more than enough room...in the universe...probably just in your eyelash. - Original Message From: alain Baeckeroot [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: computer-go computer-go@computer-go.org

Re: [computer-go] an idea... computer go program's rank vs time

Terry, Where's the notion that through small increments, there is no reasonable path from a house 3 bedroom house to a 10 story building? Isn't the consistency of the assumption set around how a house is designed and built fundamentally (as in pardigm-ally) different than that of how

Re: [computer-go] Bit Twiddling Hacks

Erik, I am. Jim - Original Message From: Erik van der Werf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: computer-go computer-go@computer-go.org Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 3:37:13 PM Subject: Re: [computer-go] Bit Twiddling Hacks On 2/12/07, Phil G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those doing a lot of

Re: [computer-go] Grid Cosmos

? - Don On Thu, 2007-03-15 at 07:04 -0700, Jim O'Flaherty, Jr. wrote: Eduardo, I am a strong Java advocate, no doubt. However, Mono/C# have accomplished quite a bit in the last 3 years. My own experience in that area tells me it is much more mature than you have made it sound. To get

Re: [computer-go] Re: pseudoliberties

What's a pseudo-liberty? And how can there be more of them than there are empty intersections (81) on the board? - Original Message From: Jason House [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: computer-go computer-go@computer-go.org Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 1:02:01 PM Subject: Re: [computer-go] Re:

Re: [computer-go] 9x9 games wanted and the next big challenge

Chrilly, The purpose of investment is to generate a return exceeding the original investment, i.e. a profit. Given the state of Go, I am finding it difficult to imagine why an investor would choose to put any good money into Go. There is absolutely no reliable expectation that Go will

Re: [computer-go] 9x9 games wanted and the next big challenge

is. Please do not take offense by number 4. I have huge respect for your programming ability and am glad that you have joined us. Cheers, David On 8, Jul 2007, at 8:36 AM, Jim O'Flaherty, Jr. wrote: Chrilly, The purpose of investment is to generate a return exceeding the original

Re: [computer-go] Intelligence

All, For reasons similar to those mentioned by others, I have found the phrase artificial intelligence to be less than adequate to convey my interests in this domain. And after considerable time, I came up with a term that I prefer; synthetic awareness. It comes from having interests in

Re: [computer-go] Intelligence

Erik, In perfect theory, I agree with you. In the practicality of attempting to generate more effective computer Go players, I disagree. In theory, there is a perfect girlfriend for me. In practicality, there is my adapting to make the current girlfriend good enough and better, with

Re: [computer-go] Intelligence

we all know is incorrect. -Original Message- From: Jim O'Flaherty, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: computer-go computer-go@computer-go.org Sent: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 10:40 am Subject: Re: [computer-go] Intelligence Erik, In perfect theory, I agree with you. In the practicality of attempting

Re: [computer-go] Language

Nick, When I engage in complex multi-threaded distributed processing, I have found Java to give me the most value for my limited personal time buck. I am not claiming that Java is competitive in performance with hand crafted assembly (or C or C++). I am claiming that I have experienced a many

Re: [computer-go] Language

Colin, I would NOT recommend this site. It was last updated in '98. Many of the optimizations listed were great for back then. They are terrible for 2007 and will likely result in SLOWER execution, not faster. For example, the claim is that a synchronized method call is 10 times slower

Re: [computer-go] Re: The global search myth

emergence of evolutionary life forms after the area has been searched. As to your then applying the analogy to computer chess/go - don't see the connection. Jim Sanghyeon Seo wrote: 2007/11/23, Jim O'Flaherty, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Don, I think it is tenuous to predict, much less

Re: [computer-go] Re: The global search myth

Don, I think it is tenuous to predict, much less emphatically assert, that just because the evidence is linear at the lower scale, it remains so at higher scales. While it is reasonable to assume, it is not certain. I see your point that at this time, your theory about it applying to

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