Re: [CGUYS] UPS Update

2007-10-16 Thread db
I missed the first part of this string but UPS batteries do wear out... they are only good for several years. And the good thing to know is that with the use of a screwdriver, you can replace them with another from any online battery retailer for $15 to $18. They are the same gel or AGM

Re: [CGUYS] Security Ignorance

2007-10-16 Thread John DeCarlo
On 10/15/07, Jeff Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You misapply the eWeek story. EWeek is comparing different settings of the same insecure OS. No one here is proposing that some settings are less dangerous than others. You don't make a good case for your position by trying to change the

Re: [CGUYS] Security Ignorance

2007-10-16 Thread Jeff Wright
1. That is so clearly untrue. And you can read any security reviews of any kind from any source, except Microsoft or those paid by Microsoft, to verify it. Every OS has weaknesses and exploits, even *nix. I read about them every day. At what point is something secure? Zero bugs? 10

Re: [CGUYS] Security Ignorance

2007-10-16 Thread Chris Dunford
For years you've been saying how Mac is so much better than a PC because it's so much easier. Now it's better because it's harder? Color me surprised and please put some mustard on that pretzel logic for me. Jeff, I'm afraid you've missed earlier evidence of this. While he has now blasts

[CGUYS] SD card isn't recognized in Windows Explorer

2007-10-16 Thread David Turk
I'm having problems getting an SD card to show up in Windows Explorer. My Kodak multi-card reader has worked with other SD cards; this card was just formatted in-camera. The card reader shows up as Removable Disk, but when I double-click on it, it says to insert a cad, even though there's a

Re: [CGUYS] SD card isn't recognized in Windows Explorer

2007-10-16 Thread Mike Sloane
Try unplugging the reader and then plugging it back in. Just a thought... Mike David Turk wrote: I'm having problems getting an SD card to show up in Windows Explorer. My Kodak multi-card reader has worked with other SD cards; this card was just formatted in-camera. The card reader shows up

Re: [CGUYS] SD card isn't recognized in Windows Explorer

2007-10-16 Thread David Turk
Thanks...tried that. Also tried disconnecting it as a network drive, but doesn't show up in list of options. David Turk Manager, Preservation Imaging Services Indiana Historical Society 450 W. Ohio St. Indianapolis, IN 46202 (317) 232-4592 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From:

Re: [CGUYS] UPS Update

2007-10-16 Thread Paul Meyer
Checkout One Laptop P Any UPS units that have self test capabilities? Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org - Original Message From: db [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 3:18:50 AM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] UPS Update I missed

Re: [CGUYS] Security Ignorance

2007-10-16 Thread Tom Piwowar
Jeff, I'm afraid you've missed earlier evidence of this. While he has now blasts Vista for jumping through hoops to support old apps, not so long ago he blasted it for breaking old apps. It's difficult to take this very seriously. You have poor memory. My complaint was about device drivers, not

Re: [CGUYS] SD card isn't recognized in Windows Explorer

2007-10-16 Thread Tom Piwowar
Thanks...tried that. Also tried disconnecting it as a network drive, but doesn't show up in list of options. Can you plug the camera directly into the computer to see if it works? And don't forget to restart the computer -- often works wonders.

Re: [CGUYS] SD card isn't recognized in Windows Explorer

2007-10-16 Thread David Turk
That's the thing. You can plug the camera directly in to the computer, the Kodak Easyshare software can see the camera, but Windows Explorer can't. I don't care for the Eayshare software, which is why I just want to transfer the files in Explorer. david David Turk Manager,

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Administrator

2007-10-16 Thread Tom Piwowar
Orwell lives! Incorrect? Only if you're one of the 3 percenters. The other 97% gets along just fine with these **cough** mistakes. 21 percent of US laptops are Apple's. Nothing to cough at. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Administrator

2007-10-16 Thread Snyder, Mark
MacOS X 10.5 is officially available Friday, Oct 26 at 6PM. That 21% will start rising again. I, for example, have been waiting for this before I buy anything new. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Orwell lives! Incorrect? Only if you're one of the 3 percenters. The other

Re: [CGUYS] Security Ignorance

2007-10-16 Thread mike
Since when did apple know in os 8 that they were going to BSD? They didn't know this when putting out os 9 the first time. This alternate timeline of yours also completely ignores rhapsody. Apple didn't really lay out any plans for OS X till first quarter 98. So in 98 they laid plans out

[CGUYS] Table top stand alone MP3 player?

2007-10-16 Thread Matthew Taylor
Does such a thing as a table top stand alone MP3 player exist? Think clock radio or boom box that is also a MP3 player. One that plays MP3 files of CD is not what I am talking about - I seek one that would (presumably) have a hard drive inside (or a whole honking lot of flash memory) and

Re: [CGUYS] Security Ignorance

2007-10-16 Thread Snyder, Mark
Two points: 1. Apple is very secretive about upcoming moves; where did you get this timeline? 2. Define small - Apple's market cap. is on track to over take IBM's. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Announcements and Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [CGUYS] SD card isn't recognized in Windows Explorer

2007-10-16 Thread db
Sometimes a card can get screwed up and a low level formatting can help. Sometimes such can also be caused by a reader or connecting method/ device... change devices Also restart your computer if you haven't in a while... db Tom Piwowar wrote: Thanks...tried that. Also tried disconnecting

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Administrator

2007-10-16 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
Now you need to wait a few months to see that OSX.5 isn't a lemon. On 10/16/07, Snyder, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MacOS X 10.5 is officially available Friday, Oct 26 at 6PM. That 21% will start rising again. I, for example, have been waiting for this before I buy anything new. Thank

Re: [CGUYS] Table top stand alone MP3 player?

2007-10-16 Thread Tom Piwowar
Does such a thing as a table top stand alone MP3 player exist? How about a Mac Mini? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join

Re: [CGUYS] Table top stand alone MP3 player?

2007-10-16 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
Here is one I found. http://www.mp3newswire.net/stories/2000/ego.html This isn't quite what you asked for but might fit the bill better. http://www.mini-itx.com/projects/rundfunker/ On 10/16/07, Matthew Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does such a thing as a table top stand alone MP3 player

Re: [CGUYS] Security Ignorance

2007-10-16 Thread Tom Piwowar
1. Apple is very secretive about upcoming moves; where did you get this timeline? 2. Define small - Apple's market cap. is on track to over take IBM's. Oh my. I'm being attacked from both sides. I MUST BE RIGHT! * ==

Re: [CGUYS] Table top stand alone MP3 player?

2007-10-16 Thread Matthew Taylor
No ability to control the output without the whole keyboard / mouse / screen rig. I want this on a night-stand and such. On Oct 16, 2007, at 2:47 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: Does such a thing as a table top stand alone MP3 player exist? How about a Mac Mini?

Re: [CGUYS] Table top stand alone MP3 player?

2007-10-16 Thread Matthew Taylor
That first article is 7 years old. A lifetime in consumer electronics. ;^) The second looks cool, but I am not yet up for a DIY project. Thank you; Matthew On Oct 16, 2007, at 1:50 PM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: Here is one I found. http://www.mp3newswire.net/stories/2000/ ego.html This

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Administrator

2007-10-16 Thread Snyder, Mark
Maybe if it is a computer you must rely on. Otherwise, play on. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Now you need to wait a few months to see that OSX.5 isn't a lemon. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE -

Re: [CGUYS] Table top stand alone MP3 player?

2007-10-16 Thread Tom Piwowar
How about a Mac Mini? No ability to control the output without the whole keyboard / mouse / screen rig. I want this on a night-stand and such. It comes with a remote. And when you have to you can control it from another computer using remote access. So it does not need a keyboard or

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Administrator

2007-10-16 Thread Tom Piwowar
Now you need to wait a few months to see that OSX.5 isn't a lemon. I'm waiting for February. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Administrator

2007-10-16 Thread gerald
info world aug 2007 In an ongoing alteration of the consumer PC landscape, Apple laptop sales have surged to a new all-time high over the past 90 days -- up from 12 percent in June to 17 percent currently. Apple desktop sales (7 percent; down from 8 percent) have been solid but unspectacular

Re: [CGUYS] SD card isn't recognized in Windows Explorer

2007-10-16 Thread Jordan
Can't the computer be told to do something else when it sees the camera? David Turk wrote: That's the thing. You can plug the camera directly in to the computer, the Kodak Easyshare software can see the camera, but Windows Explorer can't. I don't care for the Eayshare software, which is

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Administrator

2007-10-16 Thread Tom Piwowar
don't know if this is US or world data. also, DELL is NOT included. if you follow the numbers, the laptop market is twice as large as the desktop market. I think these numbers are all screwed up, because they do not include direct sales. Other than at trade shows I don't think I have ever

Re: [CGUYS] Table top stand alone MP3 player?

2007-10-16 Thread Tom Piwowar
The iRiver has an amazing number of models, some largish. Many also have a clock, alarm, and FM radio. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Administrator

2007-10-16 Thread Matthew Taylor
I see quite a few of them on the corporate side. On Oct 16, 2007, at 5:05 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: Other than at trade shows I don't think I have ever seen a Dell laptop. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the

Re: [CGUYS] Table top stand alone MP3 player?

2007-10-16 Thread Matthew Taylor
Took a quick look at them. Can they be serious when they say: SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS - Windows XP (SP2 or higher) - Windows Media Player 10 (or higher ) Given the aspx at the end of the link they might be. ;^( http://www.iriveramerica.com/prod/t60/t60_4.aspx On Oct 16, 2007, at 5:23 PM, Tom

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Administrator

2007-10-16 Thread gerald
At 03:31 PM 10/16/2007, you wrote: info world aug 2007 In an ongoing alteration of the consumer PC landscape, Apple laptop sales have surged to a new all-time high over the past 90 days -- up from 12 percent in June to 17 percent currently. Apple desktop sales (7 percent; down from 8 percent)

Re: [CGUYS] Table top stand alone MP3 player?

2007-10-16 Thread Wayne Dernoncourt
Matthew Taylor Took a quick look at them. Can they be serious when they say: SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS - Windows XP (SP2 or higher) - Windows Media Player 10 (or higher ) Given the aspx at the end of the link they might be. ;^( http://www.iriveramerica.com/prod/t60/t60_4.aspx I think that's

Re: [CGUYS] SD card isn't recognized in Windows Explorer

2007-10-16 Thread Robert
Is the new SD card exactly the same as the other cards that work? I found out that the new, faster, SD cards (the ones that say they are 50x or more faster than standard) won't always work with my old card reader. What happened to me is just as you describe. I bought a new card reader and

Re: [CGUYS] Table top stand alone MP3 player?

2007-10-16 Thread Tom Piwowar
Took a quick look at them. Can they be serious when they say: SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS - Windows XP (SP2 or higher) - Windows Media Player 10 (or higher ) Yet if you search for USB MSC on their site you will find that (many/most of) their players do support MSC. Players with MSC will work just like

[CGUYS] Table top stand alone MP3 player?

2007-10-16 Thread Harvey Simon
How do you plan on moving your MP3s to your clock radio? -- Forwarded Message From: Matthew Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:55:52 -0400 Subject: Re: Table top stand alone MP3 player? Took a quick look at them. Can they be serious when they say: SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS -

Re: [CGUYS] SD card isn't recognized in Windows Explorer

2007-10-16 Thread db
There is also a new class of SD cards ... not backwards compatible with older SD devices. I forget what they are called... db Robert wrote: Is the new SD card exactly the same as the other cards that work? I found out that the new, faster, SD cards (the ones that say they are 50x or more

Re: [CGUYS] Security Ignorance

2007-10-16 Thread mike
Make sure you don't offer any facts or anything whatsoever to back up what you say. You must be right cause you say so. Just keep whistling and skipping along. Mike On 10/16/07, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Apple is very secretive about upcoming moves; where did you get this

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Administrator

2007-10-16 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
The funny thing is PC users generally wait a year or two to see if it is safe to get a new OS while Mac users can't wait to leap on a new OS. I think it is the amount of pain from previous up grades. Vista Service pack 1 is being beta tested. XP Serivice pack 3 is also in the pipe line. Mac

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Administrator

2007-10-16 Thread Jeff Miles
I don't get this first statement at all. I'm also a Mac and PC user. I always wait on the release of the latest OS. Generalizing people who jump on a band wagon is just stupid. How many upgraded to Vista on it's release? Percentage wise it might be as large, but then you have to ask

Re: [CGUYS] Security Ignorance

2007-10-16 Thread Tom Piwowar
Make sure you don't offer any facts or anything whatsoever to back up what you say. You must be right cause you say so. Just keep whistling and skipping along. Good advice. Thank you. Time and time again the Computer Guys List comes through.

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Administrator

2007-10-16 Thread mike
Too bad you have all those iphone users mucking up your elitist non youtube world...shame. Mike On 10/16/07, Jeff Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PC user, I play games and read some email. Mac user, I get work done. Oh, I forgot the Utube thing. How important is that? PC people seem

Re: [CGUYS] Table top stand alone MP3 player?

2007-10-16 Thread Matthew Taylor
USB or Firewire most probably. Phillips makes some devices that are closer, but not quite there. A clock radio with a HD or clock radio + CD player with a HD just seems so obvious to me. I figure I am missing some consideration given the plethora or consumer electronic options out there -

Re: [CGUYS] Table top stand alone MP3 player?

2007-10-16 Thread mike
What about one of the players that allow an ipod to be plugged in to the top? Mike On 10/16/07, Matthew Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: USB or Firewire most probably. Phillips makes some devices that are closer, but not quite there. A clock radio with a HD or clock radio + CD player with a

Re: [CGUYS] Security Ignorance

2007-10-16 Thread mike
We always count on your input in this area. Mike On 10/16/07, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Make sure you don't offer any facts or anything whatsoever to back up what you say. You must be right cause you say so. Just keep whistling and skipping along. Good advice. Thank you. Time

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Administrator

2007-10-16 Thread Jeff Miles
All those iPhone users? How many are there? And how many are there that are Mac users? I agree that Apple tried to grab a market share by incorporating the first all in one what was actually cool. But they out priced themselves along with tagging themselves with ATT. If I could buy a

Re: [CGUYS] Table top stand alone MP3 player?

2007-10-16 Thread Tom Piwowar
A clock radio with a HD or clock radio + CD player with a HD just seems so obvious to me. I figure I am missing some consideration given the plethora or consumer electronic options out there - no shortage of folks looking to fill a niche. I have seen clock radios at Best Buy that have a

Re: [CGUYS] Table top stand alone MP3 player?

2007-10-16 Thread rlsimon
Check this maybe ?? http://www.agoodic.com/viewproduct.asp?id=576 -Original Message- From: Tom Piwowar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 2:47 PM Subject: Re: Table top stand alone MP3 player? Does such a thing as a table top stand alone MP3 player exist?

Re: [CGUYS] Table top stand alone MP3 player?

2007-10-16 Thread Tom Piwowar
http://www.agoodic.com/viewproduct.asp?id=576 They claim to sell 2GB iPhones for $185 a pop. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [CGUYS] Table top stand alone MP3 player?

2007-10-16 Thread Matthew Taylor
I don't have an iPod and don't particularly want one. On Oct 16, 2007, at 9:22 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: I have seen clock radios at Best Buy that have a socket into which an iPod can be plugged. I think their logic is that if you already have an iPod (and who doesn't) you won't want the bother

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Administrator

2007-10-16 Thread Paula Minor
I see quite a few of them on the corporate side. On Oct 16, 2007, at 5:05 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: Other than at trade shows I don't think I have ever seen a Dell laptop. My son-in-law has one.provided by his business. Paula IN/USA Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with

Re: [CGUYS] Table top stand alone MP3 player?

2007-10-16 Thread b_s-wilk
Matthew, I bought a terrific portable shortwave radio from Kaito last spring. They have a portable AM/FM stereo/SSB-SW/weather/MP3 player-recorder. If it's as good as the KA1102 SW radio I bought, it should be fantastic. It's probably better. SPECS - Kaito radio-MP3 player,