Re: [CGUYS] Power strip

2009-08-31 Thread db
Interex is one that I have. Here's a newer model: http://gooeydoobooks.com/Interex-UMPC900TF-Surge-Suppressor/M/B001YS0EXK.htm?traffic_src=froogleutm_medium=organicutm_source=froogle db Tony B wrote: Good God I too thought I would quickly google up something like my Memorex Power Center that

Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review

2009-08-31 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
Depends on what you use the computer for and your budget. Generally every three to five years is common. Some high end professionals replace their computers in two to three, some more often. My company replaces laptops every three years. Some home users keep them much longer, but they become

Re: [CGUYS] Glenn Beck [was: COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest ...]

2009-08-31 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 6:35 AM, Chris Dunfordseed...@gmail.com wrote: This is entirely uncalled for and wholly inappropriate. As is just about anything that Glenn Beck says. Sponsors agree, and that is why they are canceling their contracts with his show on Fox. Hopefully, the guy will soon

Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review

2009-08-31 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 7:58 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Depends on what you use the computer for and your budget.  Generally every three to five years is common.  Some high end professionals replace their computers in two to three, some more often.  My company

Re: [CGUYS] Glenn Beck [was: COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest ...]

2009-08-31 Thread Andy Gallant
Chris Dunford wrote: especially the nitwit liberals who post their drivel. This is entirely uncalled for and wholly inappropriate. +1 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** **

Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review

2009-08-31 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
Okay, so your peripheral (due to your budget) is driving your decision to keep longer than you otherwise would. Hope you're saving to eventually replace that old plotter/cutter... It will go some day. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- I have to keep an older computer around

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 29 Aug 2009 to 30 Aug 2009 - Special issue (#2009...

2009-08-31 Thread TracyF2
In a message dated 8/30/2009 8:41:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lists...@listserv.aol.com writes: Date:Sun, 30 Aug 2009 15:59:29 -0400 From: Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com Subject: Power strip Does anyone know of a power strip that has separate power switches for each outlet?

[CGUYS] What really happens to the computers we recycle?

2009-08-31 Thread Arnold Kee
Hello all: Last night 60 Minutes aired a disturbing piece on what happens to some of the computers we have been bringing to recycling centers. Without repeating the name of the particular recycling/distrubtion company, the reporter tracked the shipping container that was filled with recycled

Re: [CGUYS] What really happens to the computers we recycle?

2009-08-31 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
This is what Congress is for; it will take federal law to change this, at least for how we process discarded electronics in the US. If concerned, please contact your representative and senators. Tell them explicitly what you expect in federal law. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original

Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review

2009-08-31 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Schools are notorious for keeping their equipment much longer. However here is a twist. Very often companies will buy new equipment but put legacy OS's on them because their applications or the vendor of their applications are behind the curve in getting their systems to run on the new OS's.

Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review

2009-08-31 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
have you tried the USB to serial conversion kits? They do not require a USB driver for the printer end. You install the USB/Serial convertor and set up the Serial end to communicate with your device. Stewart At 07:19 AM 8/31/2009, you wrote: On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 7:58 AM, Snyder, Mark -

Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review

2009-08-31 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Mark this is not at all uncommon as OS and hardware manufacturers do not take into account what some equipment requires and costs. These plotters have not gone down in price along with most other peripherals. They also get much harder to find so their prices actually go up. Have you priced

Re: [CGUYS] Glenn Beck [was: COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest ...]

2009-08-31 Thread mike
I don't watch these guys (by these guys I mean beck or olbermann etc), I've watched olbermann and his lies are easy to spot, what has beck lied about? On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 5:10 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 6:35 AM, Chris Dunfordseed...@gmail.com

Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review

2009-08-31 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
Reverend, Reverting to previous OS versions is more of a Windows thing; it is not as common in OS X, except for some specialized software packages that are not yet supported in a new version of OS X. Apple, however, does not sell previous versions of OS X, people get that from third party

Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review

2009-08-31 Thread mike
No, I mean what is acceptable for Apple or any other OS vendor to tell you your hardware is too old you have to spend money again. I find it ironic that some of the MFBs have touted the low price of snow cat evading the fact that apple is a hardware company, not a software one..and also not

Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review

2009-08-31 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
Hooey. My two Macs are both over four years old. The older one runs 10.3.9, the other runs 10.5. No plans to upgrade further until I decide to replace the older computer. My closet computer, a 12-13 year old model, still runs OS 9 and works fine. The cut-off for 10.6 is based on CPU; it

Re: [CGUYS] Glenn Beck [was: COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest ...]

2009-08-31 Thread Chris Dunford
I don't watch these guys (by these guys I mean beck or olbermann etc), I've watched olbermann and his lies are easy to spot, what has beck lied about? It would be quicker to list things that he hasn't lied about. I'll give you one example: he quoted a scientist as saying this in 1970: The

Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review

2009-08-31 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
What I was trying to get at is very often specialized software does not upgrade as fast as OS's do. When my wife worked at a newspaper they still ran one of the first Mac's as that is what the specialized software was written for. They ran an all Mac office, but still kept this original (I

Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review

2009-08-31 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
It must be an Intel Mac to run Leopard. Stewart At 10:55 AM 8/31/2009, you wrote: No, I mean what is acceptable for Apple or any other OS vendor to tell you your hardware is too old you have to spend money again. I find it ironic that some of the MFBs have touted the low price of snow cat

Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review

2009-08-31 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
No, it must be an Intel CPU to run Snow Leopard. Leopard (10.5) will run on both processors. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- It must be an Intel Mac to run Leopard. * ** List info, subscription

Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review

2009-08-31 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
HUH? MS never tells anyone what they have to buy. I think the 1 Ghz processor speed for 7 is quite low. I have a couple of those still around but they are old! I bought an Emachine for my daughter in 03 and it was a 2 Ghz. (Which makes it 6 years old) I know folks that have just upgraded

Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review

2009-08-31 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Same thing. The only Intel Mac's are the Intel CPU Mac's. Stewart At 11:52 AM 8/31/2009, you wrote: No, it must be an Intel CPU to run Snow Leopard. Leopard (10.5) will run on both processors. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- It must be an Intel Mac to run Leopard.

Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review

2009-08-31 Thread Mark A. Metz
What he means is: Leopard (10.5.X) will run on a Power PC (867MHz+ G4 or higher) or Intel Mac Snow Leopard (10.6.X) will only run on an Intel Mac (1GHz min.) I understand your confusion on the semantics and cat names, though. ; ) Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Same thing. The only Intel

Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review

2009-08-31 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
It is all cat games. Stewart At 12:24 PM 8/31/2009, you wrote: What he means is: Leopard (10.5.X) will run on a Power PC (867MHz+ G4 or higher) or Intel Mac Snow Leopard (10.6.X) will only run on an Intel Mac (1GHz min.) I understand your confusion on the semantics and cat names, though. ;

Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review

2009-08-31 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
That is all BS. When they introduce a new OS they are usually taking advantage of new hardware features that are available. I get a little tired of the snide off hand remarks that have no basis in reality. It has been pointed out numerous times (And you and a few other have seen to ignore

Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review

2009-08-31 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
No, 10.5 (Leopard) will run on PowerPC or Intel models; 10.6 (Snow Leopard) only runs on Intel CPU models. Not the same thing. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Same thing. The only Intel Mac's are the Intel CPU Mac's. Stewart

Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review

2009-08-31 Thread katan
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:15:11 -0500, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: M$ cares little about new hardware; they tell you when to buy new M$ software, what they make. I don't mean to jump into your intellectual conversation here, but I have yet to be visited by the Microsoft Police telling me that it

Re: [CGUYS] Glenn Beck [was: COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest ...]

2009-08-31 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 11:52 AM, mikexha...@gmail.com wrote: I don't watch these guys (by these guys I mean beck or olbermann etc), I've watched olbermann and his lies are easy to spot, what has beck lied about? The most recent that I witnessed was when he was doing the aforementioned

Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review

2009-08-31 Thread mike
Hooey? And then you go and make my point and not even notice. On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Hooey. My two Macs are both over four years old. The older one runs 10.3.9, the other runs 10.5. No plans to upgrade further until I decide to

Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review

2009-08-31 Thread David K Watson
As others have pointed out, no one is being forced to buy new hardware. Our older computers haven't lost any of their capabilities because Snow Leopard has come out. It makes just as much sense to rail about being made to buy a new computer because you want to use 4GB of ram and your old one

Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review

2009-08-31 Thread One Man
Are you so certain hw innovations are driving sw development?I would be happy with XP through if they never releases a new OS.  But I am aware that as hardware advances they will want to write a new OS to take advantage of the new capabilities of that hardware.

Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review

2009-08-31 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
The only time I am forced to buy new hardware is when my dies. (Or I screw up like bending the pins on a CPU.) Recently I have recycled some old computers for folks who have need of a new machine because theirs died (for whatever reason) It could be bad HD (I swap out HD's) or a bad board,

Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review

2009-08-31 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I just read an article on Snow Leopard (To distinguish it from Leopard) And in it, it stated that Snow will better make use of Dual/Quad core CPU's and help software better utilize the processors capabilities. It also said it will use it's OS to better use teh CPU's of Video Cards which have

Re: [CGUYS] What really happens to the computers we recycle?

2009-08-31 Thread t.piwowar
On Aug 31, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Arnold Kee wrote: Should we rely on the free market to address this issue? Why would you expect the free market to ever address such an issue? Palming off our pollutants on a distant part of the world is good business. We get to rid ourselves of the dangerous

Re: [CGUYS] What really happens to the computers we recycle?

2009-08-31 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I think this should become the new green industry we develop here in America. I am sure enough material can be safely reclaimed from this old electronics hardware that it can then be recycled back into the industry. When my dad worked for ATT we helped recycle old phones ringers etc. to be

Re: [CGUYS] What really happens to the computers we recycle?

2009-08-31 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 6:42 PM, t.piwowart...@tjpa.com wrote: Why would you expect the free market to ever address such an issue? Palming off our pollutants on a distant part of the world is good business. We get to rid ourselves of the dangerous junk and somebody else gets to do the dying

Re: [CGUYS] What really happens to the computers we recycle?

2009-08-31 Thread Jeff Miles
And if keeping these jobs in America is to expensive for a business, why not make it a prison job. We've got the worlds largest live in work force. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Aug 31, 2009, at 4:05

Re: [CGUYS] What really happens to the computers we recycle?

2009-08-31 Thread t.piwowar
On Aug 31, 2009, at 7:37 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: And if keeping these jobs in America is to expensive for a business, why not make it a prison job. We've got the worlds largest live in work force. In China the state enhances revenue by selling prisoner body parts. If those prisoners were to

[CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-08-31 Thread Marcio
I don´t know if you remember me... I discussed my Pentium 4 WindowsXP computer that was giving me all kinds of problems. Slow. Suddenly going off... and many more. I thought about re-installing XP on the topo of it, then I thought about installing Vista on the top. Finally it went totally off

Re: [CGUYS] What really happens to the computers we recycle?

2009-08-31 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Jeff Milesjmile...@charter.net wrote:        And if keeping these jobs in America is to expensive for a business, why not make it a prison job. We've got the worlds largest live in work force. To follow this suggestion would increase the incentive to put

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-08-31 Thread katan
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 23:23:54 -0300, Marcio wrote: They proposed building a totally new computer with the newest Intel chip (Li?)... very expensive. I don´t need this. I think I am going to shop for a Pentium 4 and see... Thoughts? Dell. -- R:\katan

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-08-31 Thread db
Do you have access to a computer from an official Dell outlet or such where you are? Here, you can get good machines from a local builder but very often not ... usually computers with 2nd drawer parts and usually for the same 1st drawer quality they will be more expensive than a mass