Re: [CGUYS] Java C++ - Quickest way to learn

2009-11-13 Thread Vicky Staubly
On Thu, 12 Nov 2009, Paul Meyer wrote: Old topic, I know but I am cleaning out my folders. Basic and Fortran are very different animals from object oriented languages. Books on design patterns in those languages will really get you to understand why o-o is useful. C++ FAQ is a greatly

Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

2009-11-13 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
I agree, Betty. Reliable tech news is limited. The W Post and NY Times have some good tech writers, but that is about as far as I go for general US news media. Even NPR does not have a good tech reporter (except for Science Friday, but that is mostly science, not tech news). Most general

[CGUYS] The Cloud stole her data...

2009-11-13 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
My number one friend has an account at Classmates.com. She holds this account, and has held it for a few years, because she heads up reunion activities for her old high school. This is a paid account, not a freebie. Classmates.com just redesigned their site, and along with that redesign,

Re: [CGUYS] The Cloud stole her data...

2009-11-13 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
Classmates.com isn't really the cloud it is just a smoky room. She should probably duplicate her organizing efforts on Facebook as well as using one of the online photo storage options as a backup. On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 7:10 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: My number one

Re: [CGUYS] The Cloud stole her data...

2009-11-13 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 7:49 AM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.com wrote: Classmates.com isn't really the cloud it is just a smoky room. She should probably duplicate her organizing efforts on Facebook as well as using one of the online photo storage options as a backup. She keeps

Re: [CGUYS] online storage --HIJACKED!!

2009-11-13 Thread tjpa
On Nov 3, 2009, at 11:43 AM, Tony B wrote: The ridiculously popular Carbonite (Peace of Mind backup) is only $4.60/mo unlimited; clearly a ton of people don't find that too expensive. True, but they use part of their profits to support wacky neocon politics. I will stay away.

Re: [CGUYS] Real Windows 7 Reviews Start to Appear

2009-11-13 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
My son just got a new Netbook with Win7 on it. Not a complaint versus his old Vista machine. Stewart At 02:52 PM 11/3/2009, you wrote: According to what I've read, part of the impression that Win7 is faster than XP and Vista is a hangover from the fact that many of the Win7 betas really were

Re: [CGUYS] online storage --HIJACKED!!

2009-11-13 Thread mike
Who again? On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:10 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 3, 2009, at 11:43 AM, Tony B wrote: The ridiculously popular Carbonite (Peace of Mind backup) is only $4.60/mo unlimited; clearly a ton of people don't find that too expensive. True, but they use part of their

Re: [CGUYS] Speaking of flash drives

2009-11-13 Thread Stewart Marshall
When light is shined it has a tendency to overshadow darkness. Too bad it does not work in Washington. Stewart At 11:08 AM 11/3/2009, you wrote: And a lot of pressure on Walmart has caused it to mend some of its ways. Thus you can't argue that making the right choice is not ineffective.

Re: [CGUYS] Speaking of flash drives

2009-11-13 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Constance Warner cawar...@his.com wrote: What does this say about the efforts of the insurance industry and certain politicians to scuttle insurance reform bills in Congress?  They aren't equivalent to Osama Bin Laudin, but are they entirely innocent?

Re: [CGUYS] online storage --HIJACKED!!

2009-11-13 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I just have one problem with this. It is under someone else's control. What is to say that they will not come back and say If you want this information you will have to pay us such and such $s. Secondly everyone claims paranoia about the government getting into your stuff (listening in to

Re: [CGUYS] Real Windows 7 Reviews Start to Appear

2009-11-13 Thread Reid Katan
Quoting tjpa t...@tjpa.com: New operating system adds a few cool features, but look, feel and performance are the same And how was *your* experience with Win7? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules,

Re: [CGUYS] Speaking of flash drives

2009-11-13 Thread Reid Katan
Quoting Rev. Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net: Now for you religious ones, Satan always ranks up there in the top 10. Hey! I resent the rem. . .oh wait, you said *S*atan not *K*atan. (-: PS. Yes, they sound the same.

Re: [CGUYS] online storage --HIJACKED!!

2009-11-13 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
I think the confusion is online storage does stink for lots of day to day uses if it is not stored locally as well. Online storage is great as a second or third string backup for when your house burns down and you are just happy to get to your photos at all. On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Tony

Re: [CGUYS] Real Windows 7 Reviews Start to Appear

2009-11-13 Thread David K Watson
Your overall point is true, but Leopard was slower than Tiger. Exposé, Spaces and the Spotlight improvements in Leopard put some overhead on the OS. Still, it's quite a record, 10.0 - 10.1- 10.2- 10.3- 10.4, each with more features but also faster than their predecessor, then a slowdown in the

Re: [CGUYS] The Cloud stole her data...

2009-11-13 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 8:06 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 7:49 AM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.com wrote: Classmates.com isn't really the cloud it is just a smoky room. She should probably duplicate her organizing efforts on Facebook

Re: [CGUYS] IPv4 Exhaustion Counter

2009-11-13 Thread tjpa
Apparently there is a black hole into which IPs are disappearing. When blocks of IPs get blacklisted the blacklisting lasts forever. There is no mechanism for removing IPs from blacklists. Blacklists often copy from each other and there are so many different blacklists that it would be

Re: [CGUYS] IPv4 Exhaustion Counter

2009-11-13 Thread tjpa
There was a link on that I forgot to include... http://voices.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2009/11/a_year_later_a_look_back_at_mc.html On Nov 13, 2009, at 10:08 AM, tjpa wrote: Apparently there is a black hole into which IPs are disappearing. When blocks of IPs get blacklisted the

Re: [CGUYS] IPv4 Exhaustion Counter

2009-11-13 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
An opportunity for someone to market a blacklist cleaner - once blacklists get large enough to become too big? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Apparently there is a blak hole into which IPs are disappearing. When blocks of IPs get blacklisted the blacklisting lasts forever.

[CGUYS] Verizon Doubles Early Termination Fee and More

2009-11-13 Thread b_s-wilk
Verizon Doubles Early Termination Fee and More Thursday November 12, @04:27PM If you buy a smartphone through Verizon, be prepared for an increase in the early termination fee. Verizon is doubling the phone-subsidy to $350. What's more, Verizon also actively charges customers for accidental

Re: [CGUYS] IPv4 Exhaustion Counter

2009-11-13 Thread tjpa
On Nov 13, 2009, at 10:41 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: An opportunity for someone to market a blacklist cleaner - once blacklists get large enough to become too big? Great idea. I'll market it via spam and won't actually do any cleaning.

Re: [CGUYS] Verizon Doubles Early Termination Fee and More

2009-11-13 Thread Stewart Marshall
Verizon will not sell a smartphone without a Data package. That is what led me away from Smartphones. I did not use data packages with a smartphone. I recently upgraded my phone plan to have unlimited data plan. So no extra charges. Very often this is explained (or is supposed to be) to the

Re: [CGUYS] Verizon Doubles Early Termination Fee and More

2009-11-13 Thread Christopher Range
b_s-wilk wrote: Verizon Doubles Early Termination Fee and More Thursday November 12, @04:27PM If you buy a smartphone through Verizon, be prepared for an increase in the early termination fee. Verizon is doubling the phone-subsidy to $350. What's more, Verizon also actively charges customers

Re: [CGUYS] The Cloud stole her data...

2009-11-13 Thread Stewart Marshall
Except for Card processing companies which have shown repeatedly that they are extremely vulnerable to data hacks as they keep everything and I mean everything together in one place. Stewart At 11:32 AM 11/13/2009, you wrote: When I was working on my dissertation my policy was to keep a copy

Re: [CGUYS] Verizon Doubles Early Termination Fee and More

2009-11-13 Thread mike
Does anyone know the real cost of these smart phones? I realize dev costs are in the initial price, but when phones have been out for some time like the iPhone, costs are extremely low. Consider also that a lot of these phones come out in europe first so many times the money has already been

Re: [CGUYS] Verizon Doubles Early Termination Fee and More

2009-11-13 Thread Stewart Marshall
Retails on these go from $499 (low end) to $699 (middle high end) on many of the ones I have seen. Of course that is not the real cost of these things. So when you pay $199 or even $99 on one of these babies you are not paying retail pricing you are getting a subsidized phone. Very often we

Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

2009-11-13 Thread tjpa
On Nov 13, 2009, at 6:21 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: I agree, Betty. Reliable tech news is limited. The W Post and NY Times have some good tech writers, but that is about as far as I go for general US news media. Even NPR does not have a good tech reporter (except for Science

Re: [CGUYS] Verizon Doubles Early Termination Fee and More

2009-11-13 Thread tjpa
On Nov 13, 2009, at 12:38 PM, mike wrote: Does anyone know the real cost of these smart phones? I realize dev costs are in the initial price, but when phones have been out for some time like the iPhone, costs are extremely low. Apple will sell you a phone without a contract so that tells

Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

2009-11-13 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Cnet is not that bad as they usually have customer reviews alongside their reviews and in some cases they include video reviews. They do not pull punches and the customers do not either. I have steered clear of some items due to customer reviews. Stewart At 12:05 PM 11/13/2009, you wrote:

Re: [CGUYS] ATT responds with our EDGE is good enough for you!

2009-11-13 Thread tjpa
On Nov 12, 2009, at 8:48 PM, mike wrote: Now to Tom, stating truth is underhanded. How often are you using your cell phone for net access, Tom? It is not the truth. The ads show people getting no bars as if that were commonly the case. It isn't.

Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

2009-11-13 Thread b_s-wilk
I agree, Betty. Reliable tech news is limited. The W Post and NY Times have some good tech writers, but that is about as far as I go for general US news media. Even NPR does not have a good tech reporter (except for Science Friday, but that is mostly science, not tech news). Most general

Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

2009-11-13 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
When does it air in the DC area? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- APM'a Future Tense daily is quick, fun, and usually of good quality. He used to be a bit too gullible on malware stories promoted by the security vultures, but I think his listeners straightened him out on

Re: [CGUYS] ATT responds with our EDGE is good enough for you!

2009-11-13 Thread mike
I have too many friends on ATT to believe you. On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:18 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 12, 2009, at 8:48 PM, mike wrote: Now to Tom, stating truth is underhanded. How often are you using your cell phone for net access, Tom? It is not the truth. The ads show

Re: [CGUYS] Verizon Doubles Early Termination Fee and More

2009-11-13 Thread Stewart Marshall
Retail is retail. Apples price is their retail. What does the market bear and who buys an Iphone at retail? The tear down sites tell you their estimate! It is very difficult to get an actual cost basis as there are a lot of fungibles involved. I just read an article that gave the cost

Re: [CGUYS] Verizon Doubles Early Termination Fee and More

2009-11-13 Thread mike
Everyone knows the retail price, I'm asking actual cost. On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:11 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 13, 2009, at 12:38 PM, mike wrote: Does anyone know the real cost of these smart phones? I realize dev costs are in the initial price, but when phones have been out

Re: [CGUYS] ATT responds with our EDGE is good enough for you!

2009-11-13 Thread mike
http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/13/editorial-hey-atandt-drop-lawsuits-not-calls/ A good editorial about the topic. On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:32 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: I have too many friends on ATT to believe you. On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:18 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On

Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

2009-11-13 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
Poseurs and shills PfB's (paid-for bloggers) and other unscrupulous writers. I got frustrated over the general press and tech topics of any sort. Heck, they too often stumble in economic news. For example, in the Sunday Post, an otherwise well written article had this: [now ill-remembered by

Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

2009-11-13 Thread mike
WIth that kind of math, they should do government work. What about a guy like Mossberg who is seemingly revered in the review tech community. Has he been bought and sold by Apple? Most of his reviews are glowing. The mac base loves the guy...and then he puts out a good review of windows 7 and

Re: [CGUYS] Verizon Doubles Early Termination Fee and More

2009-11-13 Thread b_s-wilk
My old phone had the hiccups and accidentally sent 40+ text messages to the first person in my phone book. After I called her to apologize, I called T-Mobile. They said it looked like a mistake and deleted charges for those messages. Would Verizon, ATT or Sprint give credit for a mistake? This

[CGUYS] Water Cooling

2009-11-13 Thread Victor Subervi
Hi; I live on a boat. Salt air is notorious for killing electronics. I'm building a new computer. I'm adding a water cooling system so I can eliminate fans (not for speed). Now I'm wondering if I can seal the box up so no air enters. Ideas? Anybody tried this? TIA, Victor

Re: [CGUYS] Water Cooling

2009-11-13 Thread Roger D. Parish
At 11:08 AM -0500 11/13/09, Victor Subervi wrote: Hi; I live on a boat. Salt air is notorious for killing electronics. I'm building a new computer. I'm adding a water cooling system so I can eliminate fans (not for speed). Now I'm wondering if I can seal the box up so no air enters. Ideas?

Re: [CGUYS] Water Cooling

2009-11-13 Thread mike
You can drop a pc into a vat of olive oil? I believe and it'll run like th wind! On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Roger D. Parish rogerd.par...@gmail.comwrote: At 11:08 AM -0500 11/13/09, Victor Subervi wrote: Hi; I live on a boat. Salt air is notorious for killing electronics. I'm

Re: [CGUYS] Verizon Doubles Early Termination Fee and More

2009-11-13 Thread mike
LTE is only being built out by VZ from what I've read. 20-30 markets by 2010, ATT is a no go on LTE. I've heard rumors that Tmobile is further a long then some believe and may be introducing killer prices and speed around Q1 2010. As far as cost goes, I don't think I've been clear. I know what

Re: [CGUYS] Water Cooling

2009-11-13 Thread tjpa
On Nov 13, 2009, at 3:57 PM, Roger D. Parish wrote: I saw an article in Maximum PC about a computer whose ENTIRE case was filled with some sort of coolant solution. That'll keep out the salt! They used mineral oil. The PC was in a fish tank.

Re: [CGUYS] Verizon Doubles Early Termination Fee and More

2009-11-13 Thread tjpa
On Nov 13, 2009, at 1:33 PM, mike wrote: Everyone knows the retail price, I'm asking actual cost. Oh, there he goes again! ^c^c^c * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy,

Re: [CGUYS] Water Cooling

2009-11-13 Thread mike
Mineral oil, right. Cool but messy idea eh? On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 2:19 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 13, 2009, at 3:57 PM, Roger D. Parish wrote: I saw an article in Maximum PC about a computer whose ENTIRE case was filled with some sort of coolant solution. That'll keep out the

Re: [CGUYS] Water Cooling

2009-11-13 Thread tjpa
On Nov 13, 2009, at 11:08 AM, Victor Subervi wrote: I live on a boat. Salt air is notorious for killing electronics. I'm building a new computer. I'm adding a water cooling system so I can eliminate fans (not for speed). Now I'm wondering if I can seal the box up so no air enters. Ideas?

Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

2009-11-13 Thread tjpa
On Nov 13, 2009, at 1:24 PM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: When does it air in the DC area? Podcast. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and

Re: [CGUYS] ATT responds with our EDGE is good enough for you!

2009-11-13 Thread tjpa
On Nov 13, 2009, at 1:32 PM, mike wrote: I have too many friends on ATT to believe you. I don't believe you. You can't possibly have any friends. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy

Re: [CGUYS] ATT responds with our EDGE is good enough for you!

2009-11-13 Thread tjpa
On Nov 13, 2009, at 1:44 PM, mike wrote: http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/13/editorial-hey-atandt-drop-lawsuits-not-calls/ Lots of mumble, mumble followed with... To be fair, Verizon's taking a questionable angle in its advertising by trying to associate 3G coverage with call reliability --

Re: [CGUYS] ATT responds with our EDGE is good enough for you!

2009-11-13 Thread mike
Touche! On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 2:42 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 13, 2009, at 1:32 PM, mike wrote: I have too many friends on ATT to believe you. I don't believe you. You can't possibly have any friends. *

Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

2009-11-13 Thread tjpa
On Nov 13, 2009, at 2:07 PM, mike wrote: What about a guy like Mossberg who is seemingly revered in the review tech community. Has he been bought and sold by Apple? I agree that Mossberg is not that good, but I would never call him a shill. If you slow down and actually read his reviews

Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?

2009-11-13 Thread mike
Well it helps if you read what I wrote. Whatever it is you are doing while reading these posts you might want to stop, and if all you are doing is reading them I'd suggest someone read them to you for better comprehension since I never said what you assert. Dance on. On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at

Re: [CGUYS] Water Cooling

2009-11-13 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
One of my members is building computer boxes to be used on Gulf based Oil Rigs. They are pretty well sealed. If I can I will get his email address and you can talk to him. His PC's are all Dual Core Atom based with a built in Battery Back up. Stewart At 10:08 AM 11/13/2009, you wrote:

Re: [CGUYS] droid self-photography?

2009-11-13 Thread mike
http://xkcd.com/662/ On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:28 PM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 10:05 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: More aggressive distracted posting from Mike. He can't really pay attention to what you post because he's also in three chat

Re: [CGUYS] Verizon Doubles Early Termination Fee and More

2009-11-13 Thread b_s-wilk
LTE is only being built out by VZ from what I've read. 20-30 markets by 2010, ATT is a no go on LTE. I've heard rumors that Tmobile is further a long then some believe and may be introducing killer prices and speed around Q1 2010. Verizon is not the only one. T-Mobile was first with LTE, with

Re: [CGUYS] Verizon Doubles Early Termination Fee and More

2009-11-13 Thread mike
I give up. On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 6:29 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: It's not simply labor and materials. There's RD, design, production, salaries, benefits, advertising, marketing, transportation, wholesale/retail, online/stores, support, feedback--and profits. The real cost isn't