Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation]

2009-12-22 Thread Reid Katan
Quoting t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com: On Dec 21, 2009, at 11:15 PM, Reid Katan wrote: But Tom and Betty both say the Dock *works better* (not has more functions, but is more user friendly) on the side. And IIRC, Tom intimated that no serious user would leave the Dock on the bottom. So, what

Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS?

2009-12-22 Thread tjpa
On Dec 22, 2009, at 1:02 AM, mike wrote: More Tom hatred fuming forth...maybe he can get the Christmas spirit and spare us for a few days? In the Holiday spirit of love and charity: some of you cause your own problems.

Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!

2009-12-22 Thread Jordan
Right. I don't know what the Dock does when it gets full. When you've got more icons than can fit in a given space (vertical or horizontal). Do the icons shrink to make more room? start a second row? They shrink. I like mine on the right. Humans eyes scan better in the horizontal plane. Maybe

Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation]

2009-12-22 Thread tjpa
On Dec 22, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Reid Katan wrote: I'm not trying to arm-chair anything. Inquiring minds want to know. What are the obvious improvements? Go try it. Everyone I showed it to, except certain folks on this list, have found it better. What's your evidence?

Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation]

2009-12-22 Thread Reid Katan
Quoting tjpa t...@tjpa.com: On Dec 22, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Reid Katan wrote: I'm not trying to arm-chair anything. Inquiring minds want to know. What are the obvious improvements? Go try it. Everyone I showed it to, except certain folks on this list, have found it better. What's your

Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation]

2009-12-22 Thread mike
What is your favorite color? What is your evidence that this is the best color? On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 7:36 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 22, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Reid Katan wrote: I'm not trying to arm-chair anything. Inquiring minds want to know. What are the obvious improvements?

Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!

2009-12-22 Thread Reid Katan
Quoting Jordan jor17...@gmail.com: Right. I don't know what the Dock does when it gets full. When you've got more icons than can fit in a given space (vertical or horizontal). Do the icons shrink to make more room? start a second row? They shrink. I like mine on the right. Humans

Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation]

2009-12-22 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 9:58 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: What is your favorite color? What is your evidence that this is the best color? Plaid. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List

Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS?

2009-12-22 Thread John DeCarlo
Stewart, I don't know where you shop, but I have not seen even *one* netbook being sold with more than 1 GB of RAM, and many with less. Maybe you are confusing regular notebooks and netbooks. On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 8:29 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: Earlier

Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS?

2009-12-22 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I was not talking about Netbooks. Netbooks have only been sold with XP or now Win7Basic. I was talking about full size Notebooks. My son is running Win7Home Premium on his netbook without a hitch. They cannot sell netbooks with more than 1 GB of ram or it is no longer a netbook. (According

Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation]

2009-12-22 Thread tjpa
On Dec 22, 2009, at 9:58 AM, mike wrote: What is your favorite color? What is your evidence that this is the best color? Just like I figured. You don't know much about interface design. I might as well waste my time discussing French cuisine with somebody who thinks McDonalds and Pizza

Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!

2009-12-22 Thread tjpa
On Dec 22, 2009, at 10:15 AM, Reid Katan wrote: Tom. I tried it. The icons bounce a different direction. Big deal. The right click menu is the same. I see no difference. Biased observer. * ** List info, subscription

[CGUYS] Do iPhone Developers Make Money?

2009-12-22 Thread tjpa
Tap Tap Sales Hit $1 Million Per Month http://www.informationweek.com/news/personal_tech/iphone/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=222002953 Thousands of iPhone app developers make enough money hawking software through Apple's App Store to cover, say, the monthly grocery bill. But only a handful

Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation]

2009-12-22 Thread mike
Votre arrogance m'étonne même parfois. On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:22 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 22, 2009, at 9:58 AM, mike wrote: What is your favorite color? What is your evidence that this is the best color? Just like I figured. You don't know much about interface design. I

Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!

2009-12-22 Thread mike
Anyone who doesn't back Tom's fascist OS view is biased. Get in line you dolts! On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:22 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 22, 2009, at 10:15 AM, Reid Katan wrote: Tom. I tried it. The icons bounce a different direction. Big deal. The right click menu is the same. I

Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation]

2009-12-22 Thread Stewart Marshall
Entshuldigung Sie bitte? Stewart At 11:54 AM 12/22/2009, you wrote: Votre arrogance m'étonne même parfois. On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:22 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 22, 2009, at 9:58 AM, mike wrote: What is your favorite color? What is your evidence that this is the best

Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation]

2009-12-22 Thread db
Moi aussi! mike wrote: Votre arrogance m'étonne même parfois. On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:22 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 22, 2009, at 9:58 AM, mike wrote: What is your favorite color? What is your evidence that this is the best color? Just like I figured. You

Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation]

2009-12-22 Thread Allen Firstenberg
Red. No, blue! On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 9:58 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: What is your favorite color? What is your evidence that this is the best color? On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 7:36 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 22, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Reid Katan wrote: I'm not trying to

Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation]

2009-12-22 Thread Allen Firstenberg
Well, I'll bite, in the interest of trying to have an actual discussion. I've always moved my Windows (XP and down, anyway, never used Vista on up) task bar to the left and set it to auto-hide. Always responded to moving the mouse there or hitting the Windows key if I needed it, and stayed out

[CGUYS] myEarthLink News Article - Court: Microsoft violated patent; can't sell Word

2009-12-22 Thread Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
://my.earthlink.net/article/pol?guid=20091222/74f9dbe1-4f73-49e9-b56b-6f915d72654d = myEarthLink News http://my.earthlink.net/channel/NEWS * ** List info, subscription

Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS? [unhelpful]

2009-12-22 Thread John H. Davis
Reid Katan whined: Quoting John H. Davis glenwoodcompu...@verizon.net: . . .Exactly how does that help Gail with her problem? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy,

Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation]

2009-12-22 Thread mike
Brilliant! On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Allen Firstenberg cg...@addventure.comwrote: Red. No, blue! On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 9:58 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: What is your favorite color? What is your evidence that this is the best color? On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 7:36 AM,

Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation]

2009-12-22 Thread db
Tom, Betty What are the advantages you find in putting the Dock/ Taskbar to the left? db t.piwowar wrote: On Dec 21, 2009, at 11:15 PM, Reid Katan wrote: But Tom and Betty both say the Dock *works better* (not has more functions, but is more user friendly) on the side. And IIRC, Tom

Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!

2009-12-22 Thread Reid Katan
Quoting tjpa t...@tjpa.com: On Dec 22, 2009, at 10:15 AM, Reid Katan wrote: Tom. I tried it. The icons bounce a different direction. Big deal. The right click menu is the same. I see no difference. Biased observer. Do you treat your customers with such contempt? How do you even still

Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!

2009-12-22 Thread Reid Katan
Quoting mike xha...@gmail.com: Anyone who doesn't back Tom's fascist OS view is biased. Get in line you dolts! I don't even care about OS. I'm not even asking about TaskBar. I just want to know what it is about putting the Dock on the side that works so much better. I'll never get an

Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!

2009-12-22 Thread Reid Katan
Quoting Reid Katan ka...@his.com: BTW, notice that Jeff Wright finally got tired of Tom's shit. I haven't seen him around for a while. Oops. That not supposed to be a command that everyone take note. Here's what it's *supposed* to say: BTW, *I* notice that Jeff Wright finally got tired of

Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation list slamming ...

2009-12-22 Thread db
This list has been careful to not get into risky illegal discussion territory but it hasn't seemed to exhibit similar caution about exercising good list etiquette re: interpersonal respect.. I've seen decidedly more and more name calling , personal slights, and non value-added chatting etc

Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS? AGAIN

2009-12-22 Thread mike
Not sure if Gail got run off or got busy. But, there are still a few who had questions that may have been lost in the maze of the thread that started this..so What exactly is the computer doing that you think it has a virus? I've seen bad hardware behave strangely, this may be the issue this

Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation list slamming ...

2009-12-22 Thread Richard P.
Years ago when I joined this list, I found it to be very supportive, especially of newbies. There was very little slamming of anyone and while the Mac versus PC opinions were out there, the wars had yet to begin. Now it appears that some of the regular posters have no trouble bashing anyone's

Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS?

2009-12-22 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 12:22 AM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Silly question. Selling computers with inadequate RAM is a very old story. In fact, if the retailer were taking the high ground they would not be selling Windows. If they want to market to the masses, they will sell Windows

Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS?

2009-12-22 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
It has gotten better over time. At one time memory price was an issue. I remember way back when memory sold for $60 a MB. (We sold a custom machine where the man wanted 16 MB of ram, cost him $640 a lone for the ram.) Memory has become so cheap (comparatively, same with HD cost) that this

Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS?

2009-12-22 Thread tjpa
On Dec 22, 2009, at 6:44 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: I do not know of any new Macs ever sold that had RAM in amounts that was inadequate to the point of not being able to be booted up. Not so little that the Mac would not boot up, but not enough to avoid the Mac running inefficiently.

Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS?

2009-12-22 Thread mike
I'd like to see this system, I've never seen a system sold with so little ram it wouldn't boot. That would be a defective machine by any standard..like buying a car with no tires. Perhaps I don't frequent these shops you do so I've never seen it. When anyone with the will can build and sell

[CGUYS] AAAHH, the old days

2009-12-22 Thread Jordan
I think my first computer had a 250MB hard drive. I don't remember how much ram. At work we were wowed when the CAD guy got a 500MB and then a 1 Gig hard drive. I had been using DOS a lot at work for CNC machine programming and thought it was kind of fun. I found Windows 3.0 pretty

Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS?

2009-12-22 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 7:16 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 22, 2009, at 6:44 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:  I do not know of any new Macs ever sold that had RAM in amounts that was inadequate to the point of not being able to be booted up. Not so little that the Mac would not boot

Re: [CGUYS] AAAHH, the old days

2009-12-22 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
My first PC (not commodore) had dual 5.25 floppies no HD. My first HD was a 30 MB Hardcard (fit into a full size slot) I paid over $300 for it. The most expensive HD I ever bought. Stewart At 06:49 PM 12/22/2009, you wrote: I think my first computer had a 250MB hard drive. I don't

Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS?

2009-12-22 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
More and more machines are coming with lots of RAM. It is a sign that RAM has become less expensive. Same with HD's. My wife's laptop came with a 250 GB drive in it. Also 2 GB RAM. Last Laptop I bought came with 3 GB ram. (not a net book) Stewart At 06:57 PM 12/22/2009, you wrote: Most

Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS?

2009-12-22 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 7:48 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to see this system, I've never seen a system sold with so little ram it wouldn't boot.  That would be a defective machine by any standard..like buying a car with no tires.  Perhaps I don't frequent these shops you do so

Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS?

2009-12-22 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Geek squads like to sell things and services. However if I remember correctly many of the first machines sold Vista Ready were not really. MS woefully under reported the need for RAM on these first machines and I think they started bumping up the RAM at this point. Like I said I bought my

Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS?

2009-12-22 Thread tjpa
On Dec 22, 2009, at 8:16 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Geek squads like to sell things and services. They are paid a commission on whatever stuff they load you up with. * ** List info, subscription management, list

Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS?

2009-12-22 Thread Steve at Verizon
I'll second that. I just bought a new HP and it came already maxed out on memory. The MB could ONLY accomodate 8GB and memory is so cheap, that's what came with the machine. Hope it will be enough for a few yearsg. Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: More and more machines are coming with lots of

Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS?

2009-12-22 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Yup and load you up they will. Stewart At 08:27 PM 12/22/2009, you wrote: They are paid a commission on whatever stuff they load you up with. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82

Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation list slamming ...

2009-12-22 Thread tjpa
On Dec 22, 2009, at 5:44 PM, db wrote: I'd like to think that my critique and my questions re: Mac OS weren't because I am dumb or nasty. I sent a response that covered your issues and included links to some great articles that offered further explanations. I even sent info about

Re: [CGUYS] AAAHH, the old days

2009-12-22 Thread Chris Dunford
Geeze. You kids today. My first HD was a Davong 5MB that cost several thousand dollars (fortunately, a client paid for it). But that's not the amusing part. No, the amusing part is that I partitioned it into two 2.5MB partitions so I could run both PC-DOS and the UCSD p-System (and the

Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation]

2009-12-22 Thread tjpa
On Dec 22, 2009, at 11:29 AM, Allen Firstenberg wrote: When I first started using OSX, I tried moving the dock around and trying different hide settings and never quite liked it. Lots of my windows put stuff on the left, and having the dock there would cover it. Setting it to auto hide

[CGUYS] Docks and information Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation]

2009-12-22 Thread mike
I found it annoying to hide the dock myself, although I found it worked just fine at the bottom. I always made it as small as I could and still see it and let it grow rather large when I wanted it. It's interesting to note about showing you information in the dock, this is one of the complaints

Re: [CGUYS] AAAHH, the old days

2009-12-22 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I came into computers rather late. I graduated from Seminary (graduate school) in 82 and the only computers then were very rudimentary. I got a Commodore 64 in 84. I did not get my first PC till 86. The commodore had 64K memory and I started with a cassette tape drive. I remember typing in

[CGUYS] os x and limiting net access

2009-12-22 Thread mike
I've got a friend with a os x machine and he wants to limit his sons internet time to 30 minutes...I'm not quite sure if or how to do this on the mac. He wants his son to have full access to the machine 24/7, but limit internet connectivity to a specified time period. Any advice appreciated.

Re: [CGUYS] os x and limiting net access

2009-12-22 Thread t.piwowar
On Dec 22, 2009, at 11:03 PM, mike wrote: I've got a friend with a os x machine and he wants to limit his sons internet time to 30 minutes...I'm not quite sure if or how to do this on the mac. He wants his son to have full access to the machine 24/7, but limit internet connectivity to a

Re: [CGUYS] os x and limiting net access

2009-12-22 Thread mike
Thanks, I don't have the box in front of me ATM and I wasn't sure you could get that precise as to set a time for access to the net. On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 11:30 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 22, 2009, at 11:03 PM, mike wrote: I've got a friend with a os x machine and he wants to