[CGUYS] Another contender..Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!

2009-04-26 Thread mike
Google powered netbooks emerging, using ARM cpu's and android OS. Is this a contender? This configuration could get a netbook below 200 bux and running for 12+ hours. http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=printArticleBasictaxonomyName=LaptopsarticleId=9132109taxonomyId=76 On

Re: [CGUYS] Another contender..Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!

2009-04-26 Thread Tom Piwowar
Google powered netbooks emerging, using ARM cpu's and android OS. Is this a contender? This configuration could get a netbook below 200 bux and running for 12+ hours. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules,

Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!

2009-04-26 Thread Tom Piwowar
I personally don't understand why there are now numerous versions of software like all of the Vista versions, but then again I'm not a marketer either Marketing people will tell you that having so many variations just confuses customers and causes them to postpone purchases. It is the same

Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!

2009-04-26 Thread Jeff Wright
Marketing people will tell you that having so many variations just confuses customers and causes them to postpone purchases. It is the same problem that has slowed adoption of Linux. I doubt it's the marketing people saying this, since they came up with that nonsense to begin with. That

Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!

2009-04-26 Thread Tom Piwowar
I'm curious what Android will be like when it finally comes out. Right now, it's mostly hype. Finally comes out? Android market share is shooting up like a rocket, mostly at the expense of Palm and Windows Mobile. http://www.intomobile.com/2009/04/24/march-mobile-metrics-report-released-b

Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!

2009-04-26 Thread Jeff Wright
Finally comes out? Android market share is shooting up like a rocket, mostly at the expense of Palm and Windows Mobile. :::sigh::: Android netbook. Netbook. Like the subject? * ** List info, subscription management,

Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!

2009-04-25 Thread mike
Since apple uses the same GPU's as found in other laptops...uh yeah, kinda goes without saying. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 7:45 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Would it be possible for him to purchase an inexpensive monitor and keyboard/mouse combo for his laptop. Couple hundered bux could

Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!

2009-04-25 Thread mike
Hopefully if/when it does come out you can run more then one app on it. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: And we wonder why Apple is called elitist? Apple already makes a better product in this category. I suspect the reason Apple is even bothering to trash

Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!

2009-04-25 Thread rleesimon
My only experience with that (afaik) was when my new Motorola RazrV3 came (when it was just out) and, to my surprise, no video on the camera. Well, a little googling around and some downloading and fiddling and the video, crippled by motorola (like nobody would realize, duh!) and I had the video

Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!

2009-04-25 Thread Art Clemons
Then why not let the hardware and the patience of the user determine how many applications can run? Microsoft cannot offer it's enterprise or ultimate versions of Windows 7 for the netbook at a discount and still sell said versions for full price to consumers, it won't work for long. I

Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!

2009-04-25 Thread rleesimon
cingular -Original Message- From: mike [mailto:xha...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 11:03 PM Subject: Re: No netbook for you! Who was your provider? Most times the provider hamstrings the hardware, not the hardware maker...

Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!

2009-04-24 Thread Roger D. Parish
At 11:46 PM -0400 4/23/09, Eric S. Sande wrote: To get an idea of the league these guys are playing in check out: Cary SLP-05, US $7.5K. Audio Research LS-17, US $4K. Audio Research LS-26, US $6K. And these are just _preamps_, for crying out loud. Of course these are all balanced, US made,

Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!

2009-04-24 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: A similar question was asked of Paul Kliptsch who made only high end speakers. (Came out with a bookshelf model named heresy) Because that is where the market is. A portion of the market. If Apple wants

Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!

2009-04-24 Thread Scott McClure
When I was a kid, I can the vacuum tube tester at the local Radio Shack. It was as self-service machine with a bunch of tube sockets on the top. My parents had an old David Bogen pre-amp with tubes (as part of a mono system) and I used to find it frustrating to wait for the thing to warm up.

Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!

2009-04-24 Thread mike
Would it be possible for him to purchase an inexpensive monitor and keyboard/mouse combo for his laptop. Couple hundered bux could help him take care of some of that wear and tear he is getting from the cramped keyboard/monitor of the laptop. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 6:07 AM, phartz...@gmail.com

Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!

2009-04-24 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
My company provides most employees with laptops. We are pressed to take them home, 'tho I usually leave mine behind unless I need to take it home. We all attach one or two LCD screens in the office. Tell your brother to buy a monitor for his laptop, he should be able to find one from HP or Dell

Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!

2009-04-24 Thread mike
That doesn't help his situation..has he actually checked to see if he can put a monitor on his desk? We are talking almost zero foot print...keyboard mouse. It could increase his well being and productivity. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 7:13 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On

Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!

2009-04-24 Thread Tom Piwowar
But then it would likely be too expensive and the Lauren's and G's wouldn't buy it. Only snobs would buy it. Is there some middle ground between snobs and destitute? I'll admit that there are people so poor that they have to buy computers like the one Lauren bought, but is that representative

Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!

2009-04-24 Thread Tom Piwowar
Not every company has the extra cash necessary to operate this way. Providing poor hardware to staff lowers staff productivity and increases error rates. It makes staff tireder and less likely to get innovative insights. The poor hardware is probably losing the company 30 to 40 percent of each

Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!

2009-04-24 Thread Tom Piwowar
Would it be possible for him to purchase an inexpensive monitor and keyboard/mouse combo for his laptop. Couple hundered bux could help him take care of some of that wear and tear he is getting from the cramped keyboard/monitor of the laptop. Apple laptops will drive a large, wide-screen

Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!

2009-04-24 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
Yes, but the middle ground appears to be named cheap. Consider the number of people with high levels of debt and then the shrinking number of jobs; personal computer buying appears to be at least 75% el-cheapo. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Is there some middle ground

Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!

2009-04-24 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
Most graphic cards can run at least a moderately-large monitor. The days when few PC laptops can do this are long-gone. Apple includes a high-end graphics card in all but the low-end, but low-end cards will drive a decent sized monitor. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Apple

Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!

2009-04-24 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: My company provides most employees with laptops.  We are pressed to take them home, 'tho I usually leave mine behind unless I need to take it home.  We all attach one or two LCD screens in the office.  Tell

Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!

2009-04-24 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
Shoulda, woulda, coulda ... Life is too short. If spending $50 to $100 dollars on something the company should have provided makes my day less than grueling, I won't hesitate. I make a decent salary, so am not talking about spending money I don't have. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original

Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!

2009-04-24 Thread Tom Piwowar
Shoulda, woulda, coulda ... Life is too short. If spending $50 to $100 dollars on something the company should have provided makes my day less than grueling, I won't hesitate. Won't that be violating the company policy to be unproductive?

Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!

2009-04-24 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Hey even those cheap throw away crappy netbooks will drive one of those. Stewart At 09:45 AM 4/24/2009, you wrote: Apple laptops will drive a large, wide-screen monitor. I suppose some PCs can do this too. * ** List

Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!

2009-04-24 Thread b_s-wilk
At one time they would have been at the high middle. I wouldn't put Denon or Onkyo in the same category as McIntosh. BO is probably closer to Apple in design philosopy and market niche, IMHO. So you are saying apple is for elitist snobs? Apple products are for people who want good quality

Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!

2009-04-24 Thread Tom Piwowar
And we wonder why Apple is called elitist? Apple already makes a better product in this category. I suspect the reason Apple is even bothering to trash netbooks is because they have a bigger iTouch in the works. Be sure to feign surprise when you see it.

Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!

2009-04-24 Thread Chris Dunford
Woopie, just what the world has been waiting for. Apparently 1 of the 3 will be your anti-virus software. No, it isn't like that. AV doesn't count, nor does any of Windows itself (e.g., Explorer Windows, command windows, control panel apps, Task Manager, etc.). Installers don't count. Most

Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!

2009-04-24 Thread Tom Piwowar
Considering what a netbook is intended for, limiting it to three open full applications isn't much of a restriction. And if it isn't, nothing prevents you from installing a different edition of Win7 on it. It's just intended to be the base version of Windows for installation by the OEMs. Were you

Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!

2009-04-24 Thread Chris Dunford
Were you around whan IBM came out theit its PC Jr? It is like that. Yes, I was around, and it is not like that at all. It is a version that is intended for the limited hardware environment of lower-end netbooks, that's all.

Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!

2009-04-24 Thread Tom Piwowar
Yes, I was around, and it is not like that at all. It is a version that is intended for the limited hardware environment of lower-end netbooks, that's all. Then why not let the hardware and the patience of the user determine how many applications can run?

Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!

2009-04-24 Thread Eric S. Sande
So you are saying apple is for elitist snobs? I didn't mean to imply that. I just meant that to BO and Apple, design considerations have a similar importance. Apple executes better than BO. That is one reason that BO isn't doing better than it is. Another reason is that although both

[CGUYS] No netbook for you!

2009-04-23 Thread Chris Dunford
I think it's a stretch to call it a personal computer. Apple's Tim Cook: Why don't we make netbooks? Because they suck. http://tinyurl.com/cs5ex8 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy **

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2009-04-23 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
And we wonder why Apple is called elitist? This is almost (but not quite) as bad as Ballmer's statements re: Sun. Stewart At 05:13 AM 4/23/2009, you wrote: I think it's a stretch to call it a personal computer. Apple's Tim Cook: Why don't we make netbooks? Because they suck.

Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!

2009-04-23 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
Apple has always aspired to satisfy a demanding clientele; so I don't think elitist is appropriate. Why would they market a product that targets lowest prices when they can't meet the objective of satisfying customer expectations for their brand? Why is that elitist? What did Ballmer say about

Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!

2009-04-23 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Apple has always aspired to satisfy a demanding clientele; so I don't think elitist is appropriate. I agree completely. Why would McIntosh, that's the high-end audio amplifier maker, not the computer maker,

Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!

2009-04-23 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
A similar question was asked of Paul Kliptsch who made only high end speakers. (Came out with a bookshelf model named heresy) Because that is where the market is. If Apple wants to show us it is all about good stuff. Make and market a netbook that is better than all the rest. Apple is

Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!

2009-04-23 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
Missed the point Rev! Apple is saying a netbook cannot provide the compute experience their customer-base demands. It has long shown it can be successful marketing to demanding, picky customers; for example Tom and his insistence on FTFF! Why should Apple dilute its focus by catering to another

Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!

2009-04-23 Thread mike
It's not a matter of understanding, it's a matter of it not mattering to those who you view as 'not getting' the apple way of life. To those people, a computer is just a tool, it's not a statement about who they are. And because a lot of mac people view their computer choice as a statement of

Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!

2009-04-23 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
That is not how Apple built their customer base. They built it from picky professional graphics and other technical/professionals. Professionals very picky about how their tools worked. This is still the reason I buy from Apple when I buy a computer. Since I must use my company's laptop on

Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!

2009-04-23 Thread mike
No you don't get it! No you don't...no you don't! On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.comwrote: You still don't get it. Thank you, Mark Snyder * ** List info, subscription

Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!

2009-04-23 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
Oh, you're in a group where coolness is important. Never mind, Mike, I got it now. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- No you don't get it! No you don't...no you don't! * ** List info, subscription

Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!

2009-04-23 Thread mike
Yes..this list. On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Oh, you're in a group where coolness is important. Never mind, Mike, I got it now. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- No you don't get it! No you don't...no you don't!

Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!

2009-04-23 Thread Chris Dunford
And we wonder why Apple is called elitist? You gotta love some of the comments on the post, e.g., [I]f you're carrying a bag anyway, why not stick an Air, or in my case, a Pro, in there? What planet do these people live on? Does it simply never occur to them that some people can afford $300 but

Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!

2009-04-23 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
Sucks so badly, they are almost the only ones making actual money anymore. A company with a rising stock price to boot (up about $3 at the moment). Must be real business morons. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- But this one is my favorite: According to Apple the market is

Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!

2009-04-23 Thread Allen Firstenberg
The reply from apple is particularly strange considering they do sell a netbook.  In fact, they sell two.  The iPhone and the iTouch. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy,

Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!

2009-04-23 Thread Chris Dunford
The reply from apple is particularly strange considering they do sell a netbook.  In fact, they sell two.  The iPhone and the iTouch. Nah. iPhone runs Open Office or a similar full-featured word processor? Where's the keyboard? These are excellent products, but they aren't netbooks.

Re: [CGUYS] No netbook for you!

2009-04-23 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
At 10:46 PM 4/23/2009, you wrote: At one time they would have been at the high middle. I wouldn't put Denon or Onkyo in the same category as McIntosh. BO is probably closer to Apple in design philosopy and market niche, IMHO. So you are saying apple is for elitist snobs? Stewart Rev. Stewart