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Gail Miller
- Original Message -
From: Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net
To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS? AGAIN
That is the one I was looking for thank you Tom. (I could not remember
: Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS? AGAIN
That is the one I was looking for thank you Tom. (I could not
remember the name of it.)
The ultimate Boot disk is FREE for download.
It includes all the wonderful utilities I was talking about.
Download it and use it.
Stewart
At 07:25 PM 12/24/2009, you
or even more confusing for him now? As usual... Many thanks in advance!
Gail Miller
- Original Message - From: Rev. Stewart Marshall
popoz...@earthlink.net
To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS? AGAIN
Yes, but you and a few others that think boot sector viruses are
common are either deluded or just ignorant. Did you even bother to try
to find a common Windows 7 boot sector virus before you posted this
statement?
The shame is that with so much noise in the thread she got totally
swamped and
thanks in advance!
Gail Miller
- Original Message - From: Rev. Stewart Marshall
popoz...@earthlink.net
To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS? AGAIN
That is the one I was looking for thank you Tom. (I could
On Dec 27, 2009, at 3:41 PM, Gail Miller wrote:
My son is STILL trying to reformat his HDD and delete the
partitions. Can you explain how to do that? How to delete the
partitions that is. He's running Windows 7. Would the Ultimate Boot
Disk be a good thing or even more confusing for him
I think the old BIOS is deleted from memory before the new one installs.
db
katan wrote:
On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 01:38:36 -0800, db wrote:
If you disconnect the hard drive while you do that it has no place to
hide...
Except in the BIOS. WHat I'm wondering is, if a BIOS virus can
One talks of formatting, but one needs to remove all of the partitions as
well, so that the disk is clean. Then it would be a good idea to wipe the disk
if you have such a utility -- boot from floppy or CD, plugged into a USB port.
Make sure the disk is really like-new. If the manufacturer
At 11:50 AM 12/24/2009, Reid Katan wrote:
Absolutely. What I don't understand is, if you're trying to infect as
many computers as possible, why would you write a virus that so screws
up a computer that the victim is *sure* to take action. . .and
quickly, as in the case of Gail and her son.
At 10:17 PM 12/24/2009, Tony B wrote:
Spoken like someone that has never heard of Windows XP, or all
subsequent versions of Windows. Do you still have a floppy drive in
your computer? :)
No but I do have an external USB-attached floppy drive, which works as well as
a motherboard-attached one, on
I haven't done a BIOS flash update in a long time, but it used to be that one
booted to a boot floppy (some version of DOS or similar OS), and executed a
utility on the floppy that wrote the revised code to the BIOS. Presumably
today, one downloads a Windows Program that creates/makes a CD
On Dec 25, 2009, at 10:39 PM, katan wrote:
Except in the BIOS. WHat I'm wondering is, if a BIOS virus can
intercept a BIOS update and re-infect the BIOS being updated.
Here's a scary story from Tom's Hardware...
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/bios-virus-rootkit-security-backdoor,7400.html
Actually, if we ignore the old time BIOS viruses that were targeted to
specific hardware, the modern (but still only theoretical I think)
BIOS virus will likely simply render the machine *dead*. Replacing the
BIOS chip would bring it back to life, but realistically nobody would
go to all that
Huh? So a mac-based Windows machine has this lock? That's nice. Many
other companies have various schemes to prevent BIOS flashing as well.
I'm sure if this ever becomes a real problem many more will join in.
On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 12:52 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote:
If I may. let me point out
I had a couple PC motherboards that could do this, they had a secondary ROM
chip I believe...you could flash the BIOS from these back to default.
On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 10:52 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote:
If I may. let me point out that to flash the BIOS on a Mac you have to
shutdown the
In point of fact, I don't think Apple systems have BIOS any longer, they
switched to EFI when they went to intel.
On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 10:52 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote:
If I may. let me point out that to flash the BIOS on a Mac you have to
shutdown the computer, then start it up by
On Dec 26, 2009, at 1:39 PM, mike wrote:
In point of fact, I don't think Apple systems have BIOS any longer,
they
switched to EFI when they went to intel.
A BIOS by any other name...
And W7 eliminated the BSOD (by eliminating the blue background). Ah
progress!
Not really, but whatever.
On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 12:26 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote:
On Dec 26, 2009, at 1:39 PM, mike wrote:
In point of fact, I don't think Apple systems have BIOS any longer, they
switched to EFI when they went to intel.
A BIOS by any other name...
The EFI physically resides in a ROM (chip) on the motherboard. If the chip is
flashable (writable), then it's vulnerable, n'est ce pas? And EFI extensions
are written to the hard/boot drive? So that's vulnerable also.
Fred Holmes
At 02:54 PM 12/26/2009, mike wrote:
Not really, but whatever.
If you disconnect the hard drive while you do that it has no place to
hide...
db
Reid Katan wrote:
Quoting Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net:
For BIOS virus download from Dell their updated BIOS and load it.
Have fun.
I'm guessing if you've got a BIOS virus, you can still get
Quoting Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net:
For BIOS virus download from Dell their updated BIOS and load it. Have fun.
I'm guessing if you've got a BIOS virus, you can still get enough
control to boot off a CD, but if the virus is *already* in control,
couldn't it just take
If you have a BIOS infection you have really messed up.
However these Partition malware's are quite easy.
You download it, usually it is an EXE file, you run it. Nothing
happens computer will probably lock up, you reboot to start a fresh
and viola, the system starts to make its own partition
Quoting Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net:
You must boot to a outside source to gain control of the HD back as it
will never show itself unless you do this.
What some people do for fun huh?
Absolutely. What I don't understand is, if you're trying to infect as
many computers as
Reid these are designed to be destructive, not money making.
They are made to do as much damage and as much inconvenience as
possible. They are done for fun.
This is what is so frustrating about them.
The ones to make money seem to be much easier to take care of and fix.
Such is the humor
Quoting Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net:
Reid these are designed to be destructive, not money making.
They are made to do as much damage and as much inconvenience as
possible. They are done for fun.
I know, but you'd think they write the virus to hang out and spread
itself for
On Dec 23, 2009, at 12:46 PM, Stewart Marshall wrote:
The old utility Fdisk would really come in handy here. He has to
wipe out all partitions, seen and unseen (that is why Fdisk) to get
rid of this monster.
Yes it would. Scroll back on this thread to where I posted about the
Ultimate
Fdisk was rendered unneeded long ago. Since WinXP (or maybe Win2k?)
the Windows install routine allows you to do all the partitioning you
want. Without floppies or a floppy drive. A bit cumbersome, but it
does the job.
Gail, I hope you're ignoring 90% of what you're reading here. They're
I beg to differ,
fdisk /mbr is still used all the time to fix the Master Boot Record.
I agree when it comes to doing disk partitioning - few would rely on fdisk
for that any more.
On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote:
Fdisk was rendered unneeded long ago. Since WinXP
Spoken like someone that has never heard of Windows XP, or all
subsequent versions of Windows. Do you still have a floppy drive in
your computer? :)
http://tinyurl.com/ot3wc
On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 10:01 PM, John DeCarlo johndeca...@gmail.com wrote:
I beg to differ,
fdisk /mbr is still used
That is the one I was looking for thank you Tom. (I could not
remember the name of it.)
The ultimate Boot disk is FREE for download.
It includes all the wonderful utilities I was talking about.
Download it and use it.
Stewart
At 07:25 PM 12/24/2009, you wrote:
Yes it would. Scroll back
I've used these to fix the MBR more than once on vista...the windows rescue
disk is useless in most cases.
On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 8:17 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote:
Spoken like someone that has never heard of Windows XP, or all
subsequent versions of Windows. Do you still have a floppy
: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS? AGAIN
Not sure if Gail got run off or got busy.
But, there are still a few who had questions that may have been lost in
the
maze of the thread that started this..so
What exactly is the computer doing that you think it has a virus? I've
seen
bad hardware behave strangely
was downloading and
installing a driver from DELL.it was something from HELL instead!
Thanks so much everyone!!
Gail Miller
- Original Message - From: mike xha...@gmail.com
To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE
There's no need to send it back; it's not a hardware problem. Now I
forget - has he tried formatting the disk and reinstalling the OS?
What disks, if any, did he get with the machine (or make himself)?
It really doesn't sound like any virus I'm familiar with. I mean,
creating partitions and
Please elaborate. Is there a defect in the Win7 install routine? Linkage?
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Stewart Marshall
revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote:
A simple format and reinstall will not solve it.
Yes it is malware, but he will never be able to wipe it out unless he
totally
The idea is there is a block of HD space that's been taken over and a normal
install isn't wiping it out. Although that /kill disk utility should have
wiped it. I have no experience with this type of problem though so...
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote:
Please
The partitions that are causing problems are hidden. The normal Win7
DVD will not see it, the malware designed it this way.
A normal Dell machine has a Hidden (EISA) partition for recovery
purposes. You never see it unless you boot to the Dell recovery
Disk. It runs the recovery operation
Not sure if Gail got run off or got busy.
But, there are still a few who had questions that may have been lost in the
maze of the thread that started this..so
What exactly is the computer doing that you think it has a virus? I've seen
bad hardware behave strangely, this may be the issue this
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