Re: [CGUYS] MS Herding the Sheeple [Was: Windows 7]

2008-11-28 Thread Tom Piwowar
Tom, what are you saying was removed? I am not saying anything. Read what was reported here... http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasicart icleId=327354 Microsoft's secret weapon in Windows 7 is not what features the operating system has, but instead what

Re: [CGUYS] MS Herding the Sheeple [Was: Windows 7]

2008-11-28 Thread mike
And they'll be free. Weren't you just complaining about MS adding stuff in like AV because of anti competitiveness? You aren't making any sense in multiple threads from one email to the next. On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom, what are you saying was

Re: [CGUYS] MS Herding the Sheeple [Was: Windows 7]

2008-11-26 Thread Tom Piwowar
You may want to put on your Christmas list for a copy of Who Moved My Cheese? this year. You seem to have a problem with MS taking on Google on Google's turf by pissing and moaning about it removing features that aren't, oddly enough, removed, just moved. You mean they are going to be installed

Re: [CGUYS] MS Herding the Sheeple [Was: Windows 7]

2008-11-26 Thread Tom Piwowar
Oh. So, now consumers *can* use something else other than what MS provides? I could have sworn you told me that they put everyone else out of business with their free stuff. You are changing the subject. This was never asserted in this context. However, Mac sales are up 28 percent in October.

Re: [CGUYS] MS Herding the Sheeple [Was: Windows 7]

2008-11-26 Thread mike
Tom, what are you saying was removed? On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 8:38 AM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You may want to put on your Christmas list for a copy of Who Moved My Cheese? this year. You seem to have a problem with MS taking on Google on Google's turf by pissing and moaning

Re: [CGUYS] MS Herding the Sheeple [Was: Windows 7]

2008-11-26 Thread Jeff Wright
When Windows 7 comes out, it won't include Windows Mail, Windows Photo Gallery and Windows Movie Maker, which are some of Vista's most useful applications. Ed Bott explains this better @ http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=582: Judging by the comments I've read and heard, many people mistakenly

Re: [CGUYS] MS Herding the Sheeple [Was: Windows 7]

2008-11-26 Thread Tom Piwowar
And they'll be free. Weren't you just complaining about MS adding stuff in like AV because of anti competitiveness? You aren't making any sense in multiple threads from one email to the next. You have a HUGE blind spot. I see that in your eyes anything MS wants to do is double plus good. MS

Re: [CGUYS] MS Herding the Sheeple [Was: Windows 7]

2008-11-26 Thread Jeff Wright
My shooting a gun is not a problem. My shooting the gun while pointing it at you is a problem, because you will end up dead. The problem is not the gun shooting, it is you becomming dead. That is why there are laws about this. I don't know whether to laugh or cry at such a poor understanding

Re: [CGUYS] MS Herding the Sheeple [Was: Windows 7]

2008-11-25 Thread Chris Dunford
The is goal is to move people to the cloud where most believe tech is headed. Let's all give a hearty baa for the Windows sheeple as they happily trot off to be shorn. Don't forget that mac baaa or whatever you MFB do...apple is headed that way too. And now IBM.

Re: [CGUYS] MS Herding the Sheeple [Was: Windows 7]

2008-11-25 Thread Jeff Wright
And now IBM. And of course, Herr Doctor himself. Tom has on many more than one occasion urged list members to dump their ISP provided email and move to the cloud via Gmail or the like. An idea with which I agree with whole-heartedly.

Re: [CGUYS] MS Herding the Sheeple [Was: Windows 7]

2008-11-25 Thread Tom Piwowar
And of course, Herr Doctor himself. Tom has on many more than one occasion urged list members to dump their ISP provided email and move to the cloud via Gmail or the like. An idea with which I agree with whole-heartedly. A feeble attempt to change the subject. Nothing has been posted in

Re: [CGUYS] MS Herding the Sheeple [Was: Windows 7]

2008-11-25 Thread Tom Piwowar
http://tinyurl.com/5fz8dx What's your point? That IBM is getting involved with cloud computing should come as no surprise. That they are taking an enterprise approach with an emphasis on reliability and security should be no surprise either. Or are you just trying to muddy the waters by adding

Re: [CGUYS] MS Herding the Sheeple [Was: Windows 7]

2008-11-25 Thread Jeff Wright
A feeble attempt to change the subject. Nothing has been posted in opposition to cloud computing or even MS's attempt to join the parade. Which reads as don't try and compete with Google. I suppose then that since you disapprove of their competing with the non-evil (yet) behemoth, you would

Re: [CGUYS] MS Herding the Sheeple [Was: Windows 7]

2008-11-25 Thread Tom Piwowar
Which reads as don't try and compete with Google. I suppose then that since you disapprove of their competing with the non-evil (yet) behemoth, you would approve of an MS move to strong-arm computer manufacturers to *not* include Chrome on their installs, as Google would like the mfrs to do? No,

Re: [CGUYS] MS Herding the Sheeple [Was: Windows 7]

2008-11-25 Thread Tom Piwowar
I didn't suggest that. Google wants computer mfrs to include Chrome on their installs. I asked, since you obviously don't think MS should be competing with Google and not updating their products to conform better to changing markets, that instead MS should go old-school and start leaning on

Re: [CGUYS] MS Herding the Sheeple [Was: Windows 7]

2008-11-25 Thread Tom Piwowar
But...but...Microsoft made Live Search and MSN their default search and home page for IE 7. For free According to you, that means that every other similar application and web site should be out of business now. I wonder what will cure me of this massive hallucination of Google of being so

Re: [CGUYS] MS Herding the Sheeple [Was: Windows 7]

2008-11-25 Thread Wayne Dernoncourt
Tom Piwowar And of course, Herr Doctor himself. Tom has on many more than one occasion urged list members to dump their ISP provided email and move to the cloud via Gmail or the like. An idea with which I agree with whole-heartedly. A feeble attempt to change the subject. Nothing has been

Re: [CGUYS] MS Herding the Sheeple [Was: Windows 7]

2008-11-25 Thread Jeff Wright
Then there is also the matter of the class action suit against MS over the Vista Ready designation. The complaint alleges fraud in that the most basic version you mention is hardly Vista. Yep. They let the marketing trolls do their thinking for them again and got sucked in Intel's whining.

Re: [CGUYS] MS Herding the Sheeple [Was: Windows 7]

2008-11-25 Thread Jeff Wright
Dirty tricks are not the same as competition. Taking unfair advantage of a monopoly position is not competition. Ya think? You may want to put on your Christmas list for a copy of Who Moved My Cheese? this year. You seem to have a problem with MS taking on Google on Google's turf by pissing

Re: [CGUYS] MS Herding the Sheeple [Was: Windows 7]

2008-11-25 Thread Jeff Wright
If the MS services were not crappy and as wonderful as you say, how do you account for so many people choosing to change the defaults? Even offers of money have failed to persuade. Oh. So, now consumers *can* use something else other than what MS provides? I could have sworn you told me that

Re: [CGUYS] MS Herding the Sheeple [Was: Windows 7]

2008-11-24 Thread Tom Piwowar
The is goal is to move people to the cloud where most believe tech is headed. Let's all give a hearty baa for the Windows sheeple as they happily trot off to be shorn. Knowing how gullible they are do you think we can sell them some Magik Hair Tonic to grow back their losses?

Re: [CGUYS] MS Herding the Sheeple [Was: Windows 7]

2008-11-24 Thread mike
Don't forget that mac baaa or whatever you MFB do...apple is headed that way too. On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 8:11 AM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The is goal is to move people to the cloud where most believe tech is headed. Let's all give a hearty baa for the Windows sheeple as they

Re: [CGUYS] MS Herding the Sheeple [Was: Windows 7]

2008-11-23 Thread mike
The is goal is to move people to the cloud where most believe tech is headed. On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Windows 7: Microsoft's secret weapon against Google www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasicarticleId= 327354

Re: [CGUYS] MS Herding the Sheeple [Was: Windows 7]

2008-11-23 Thread Steve Rigby
On Nov 23, 2008, at 1:53 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: Windows 7: Microsoft's secret weapon against Google www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasicarticleId= 327354 Apparently MS is removing several very popular free applications from Win7 (like Mail). To get the free

Re: [CGUYS] MS Herding the Sheeple [Was: Windows 7]

2008-11-23 Thread mike
Most reports say MS is shooting for an October 2009 release. On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 7:13 PM, Steve Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 23, 2008, at 1:53 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: Windows 7: Microsoft's secret weapon against Google

Re: [CGUYS] MS Herding the Sheeple [Was: Windows 7]

2008-11-23 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Which means sometime in early 2010 should be realistic. Stewart At 08:33 PM 11/23/2008, you wrote: Most reports say MS is shooting for an October 2009 release. On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 7:13 PM, Steve Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 23, 2008, at 1:53 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: Windows 7:

Re: [CGUYS] MS Herding the Sheeple [Was: Windows 7]

2008-11-23 Thread Chris Dunford
Which means sometime in early 2010 should be realistic. Probably not. All indications are that it will be released in time for Christmas 2009 sales, which means shipping considerably earlier in the year, maybe as early as August. Win7 is already feature-complete, so they are only working on bug

Re: [CGUYS] MS Herding the Sheeple [Was: Windows 7]

2008-11-23 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I kind of hope for the earlier than release date. I would prefer to go directly from XP to 7 and skip Vista. Stewart At 10:40 PM 11/23/2008, you wrote: Which means sometime in early 2010 should be realistic. Probably not. All indications are that it will be released in time for Christmas

Re: [CGUYS] MS Herding the Sheeple [Was: Windows 7]

2008-11-23 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 9:33 PM, mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most reports say MS is shooting for an October 2009 release. I've been hearing August on Windows Weekly. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o)