At 01:56 PM 3/17/2008, Rich Schinnell wrote:
POTS no longer supplies your phone power as they can't figure out a way
to pump electricity down the fibre line. :)
This is a real bummer. During hurricane Isabel my neighborhood in Annandale
lost power for just under three days (66 hrs o/a). The
At 01:56 PM 3/17/2008, Rich Schinnell wrote:
POTS no longer supplies your phone power as they can't figure out a way
to pump electricity down the fibre line. :)
Well that doesn't sound right. I don't plug *any* of my phones into an
electric outlet, and they work just fine. So either they're
If you have FIOS there is a box that plugs into the wall that powers
the box that converts the fiber to phone,
and passed power to your local phones.
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 11:57 PM, katan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 01:56 PM 3/17/2008, Rich Schinnell wrote:
POTS no longer supplies your
No the POTS has power. Having gotten a shock or two from a phone line
in my time.
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 12:38 AM, katan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:23:31 -0400, John Duncan Yoyo wrote:
If you have FIOS there is a box that plugs into the wall that powers
the box that
The box where your FIOS back up battery lives has lights and alarms on
it. If you open it up it has a battery similar to those used in a
UPS. I was told to expect to replace it on my dime in three or four
years.
They left the POTS lines connected in the phone box on the house but
who knows
@listserv.aol.com
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Verizon DSL Service Dry Loop
Everything I've heard says that when Verizon installs FiOS, they cut the
old
POTS line. That Princess phone will not work then.
YMMV
The phone company still supplies power for legacy phones. If you've
got
a
'70s
I have two Igo power supply chargers.
I go makes both laptop power supplies and car charges but the unique
thing is you can replace the tips for different appliances.
I have one in my car with a dual lead so I can charge two things at
once. All I have to have is the tips for each device.
Can you notify the power company of an outage with a cell phone text message?
Fred Holmes
At 10:39 PM 3/17/2008, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
What I read (and I think it was on this list) is that they disable the POTS
service from the box or father back.
It is their way of cutting back on
But what happens when the electrical grid goes down? In the olden days when
copper came all the way from the central office, the central office had huge
storage batteries that would last for 48 hours or more and a diesel generator
that would run as long as fueled. If now many POTS phones are
You text a message to your cousin in NYC requesting him to call and
notify the power company for you.
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Fred Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can you notify the power company of an outage with a cell phone text message?
Fred Holmes
At 10:39 PM 3/17/2008,
Vicky you prove my point.
I thought she proved mine. She is in effect in a straightjacket and this
prevents her getting DSL. Given complete freedon she would get DSL.
*
** List info, subscription management, list rules,
I never knock the competition. All I can say is that in Verizon
territory, you pay for 3 mbps, you get 3 mbps, or a reasonable
facsimile.
That has been my experience with Verizon DSL.
I'm puzzled why Mike is so anti science. Knowing how something really
works means that you can figure out how
more.
Kind Regarsd,
John Mealey
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From: Computer Guys Discussion List
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Vicky Staubly
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 2:11 PM
To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Verizon DSL Service Dry Loop
On Sat
I hope you meant to write 15mbps down and 2 mbps up. That is the way
that most asynchronous services work.
Mike
John Duncan Yoyo wrote:
The internet comes into the house to a Verizon wireless router through
an ethernet cable and you can distribute it either wirelessly or
through a wired
Is the same true for POTS alone on a copper wire? If so, when did this
change?
Richard P.
POTS no longer supplies your phone power as they can't figure out a way
to pump electricity down the fibre line. :)
*
**
Everything I've heard says that when Verizon installs FiOS, they cut the old
POTS line. That Princess phone will not work then.
YMMV
The phone company still supplies power for legacy phones. If you've got
a
'70s Princess Phone in a box in your basement, you can plug it into a POTS
line and
What I read (and I think it was on this list) is that they disable
the POTS service from the box or father back.
It is their way of cutting back on service for that type of line etc.
Keep a cell phone handy. The FCC is requiring (and the cell
companies are fighting) long term back ups at all
Bottom line. The ceo waved my early termination fee and that was the last
I heard of it but he did say that the salesman was wrong. I could have
bought the phone without the data plan. but it was too late then.
The company stores seem to be terribly uninformed and tend to err on the
side of
Cable can do. Why else would Cox and Comcast be working with them to
implement the so called p4p. You seem to have the same problem with
spreading FUD about cable as you do about windows.
Please provide a link re Cox and Comcast. P4P does not work with cable's
architecture. As I have been
Did you read your own link about P4P? Nowhere is it mentioned cable can't
do it, or that only DSL can. At most they state it might be more difficult
for cable. Again, why would the company who is providing the software be
working with cable companies if the software won't work on cable? The
No. DSL does not work that way. You get the speed you pay for plus
usually a small margin. You get it reliably. You don't get wild
highs and
lows.
That wasn't my short experience with ATT DSL. I started out paying
for the highest speed they offered and tested it several times a day
for a
Did you read your own link about P4P? Nowhere is it mentioned cable can't
do it, or that only DSL can.
Mike, Are you doing an it depends on what the meaning of is is number
on us?
The NYT story mentions Comcast just once. It does that to contrast
Comcast vs. DSL providers. The NYT notes that
That wasn't my short experience with ATT DSL. I started out paying
for the highest speed they offered and tested it several times a day
for a week. I never got the higher speed but the lowest speed I got
was the 'top' of the next level down so I called and switched to the
lower cost
You haven't explained any 'engineering' behind anything. And your cable
meltdown doesn't hold water at least in this part of the country. DSL is
going away in Arizona, there is simply no way it can catch up to what Cox
has planned. And other technologies that are up and coming will surpass
On Sat, 15 Mar 2008, Tom Piwowar wrote:
Vicky you prove my point.
I thought she proved mine. She is in effect in a straightjacket and this
prevents her getting DSL. Given complete freedon she would get DSL.
Given _complete_ freedom, I said I'd choose FiOS. I haven't seen
any technical
Vicky! You are letting silly things like facts get in the way! Tom has
spoken...DSL is better it doesn't matter what you've actually experienced.
There are no other factors...Tom's word is law! I'm calling all my poor sap
cable modem using friends who are actually getting 20mbit right now and
Note I said, one fiber optic cable. Initially threw me for a
loop [yes bad pun], but the tech said there were multiple wave
lenghts for transmit receive over the same fiber optic cable.
One optical cable can carry hundreds of different wavelengths of light
and the companies that make the
Cable can do. Why else would Cox and Comcast be working with them to
implement the so called p4p. You seem to have the same problem with
spreading FUD about cable as you do about windows.
Mike
On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Doing clever stuff, like
Date:Sat, 15 Mar 2008 00:09:08 -0400
From:Eric S. Sande [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Verizon DSL Service Dry Loop
One hundred percent
money back guarantee. That goes for just about everything we
sell.
If we can't do it we won't and we'll tell you why. If we can do it
we guarantee
It's QwestI know I'm being shafted. I also know without a doubt they
are not upgrading anything anywhere in the valley. So no, it doesn't really
matter what the theoretical speed is in Omaha. I had a Qwest rep tell me
the last time I called about their upgrading or not tell me I should be
I have helped several of my clients set up Internet service using
mobile broadband cards.
An interesting alternative.
So what data rate did you get for $60/mo. ADSL or SDSL?
Does the data rate drop when it is raining? (As happens with cellular
service.)
Is mobile broadband going to be
It's QwestI know I'm being shafted.
Quest's revenues and market value are way down. Stock price is less than
1/10th of what it was in 2000. I would think somebody would buy out these
yahoos and put them out of their misery.
On Mar 14, 2008, at 9:20 AM, Tom Piwowar wrote:
I have helped several of my clients set up Internet service using
mobile broadband cards.
An interesting alternative.
So what data rate did you get for $60/mo. ADSL or SDSL?
Unfortunately, I was not able to play with her computer enough to
I saw this when I had Coxdownloading large files from neighbors on the
same node especially. I was paying for 5mbit but could get 10 on some
things. I think out here they solved the 'neighbor' problem by making sure
each node can handle the max what each person is paying for so at the least
Like I said before, perhaps Qwest and Cox are backwards here, but I have
never seen my DSL speed go above my slotted speed of 1.5, and almost without
fail, my real speed is never above 1.1mbit. Does DSL in other areas, if you
pay for say 3mbit go up to 6 on a regular basis?
No. DSL does not work
Tom you would fail miserably as a psychologist.
Stewart
At 05:33 PM 3/14/2008, you wrote:
No. DSL does not work that way. You get the speed you pay for plus
usually a small margin. You get it reliably. You don't get wild highs and
lows.
I have never thought about it this way, but perhaps the
On Fri, 14 Mar 2008, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
Tom you would fail miserably as a psychologist.
Yes. I've been to Atlantic City once. I did no gambling at all
but played on the beach. I have cable internet. Of course, the
fact that DSL isn't offered in our area may have something to do
with
Vicky you prove my point.
Stewart
At 06:21 PM 3/14/2008, you wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2008, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
Tom you would fail miserably as a psychologist.
Yes. I've been to Atlantic City once. I did no gambling at all
but played on the beach. I have cable internet. Of course, the
Again you talk in theories while I focus on real world. My DSL does
fluctuate, down almost always. I do get wild lows for no reason. The
choice to take cable in this city is definitely not for the las vegas
minded, but for the money conscious and prudent. It's DSL that the people
who don't
I wish I lived in one of those cities you speak of with good DSL.
I never knock the competition. All I can say is that in Verizon
territory, you pay for 3 mbps, you get 3 mbps, or a reasonable
facsimile.
If we can't deliver it we'll tell you we can't. And why.
We'd rather sell you FiOS, but
DSL is not a shared line, so provides a fairly constant rate. Cable
promises the moon, but puts the entire neighborhood on the same wire so
it delivers dirt when too many people are using it
This is not true for all areas, may be true for the place you live, here the
complete opposite is true.
Our cable system can deliver 6 mps with better reliability than the
phone company can that is sad.
There is no technology that can not be made high cost and low quality by
bad management. Nevertheless it is worthwhile to consider what the
technology can accomplish so that we know how much the
If I'm stuck with bad management your assertions that 'this is true' doesn't
really matter. Reality matters, not what ifs. That's why I suggested
asking the neighbors for *real* experiences and not just going by so called
'truths of the system'.
You mean it is better to not even know that you
My eyes are always open and I am constantly looking at the technology
and how it is working.
Would I buy DSL again? Yes in a different location and with a
different provider.
When I lived in TN I had Bellsouth DSL and it was hands down better
than the Cable provider (happens to be the same
I have helped several of my clients set up Internet service using
mobile broadband cards. In fact, there is an article on my blog with
links to a recent Macworld article. The information would apply to PCs
as well as Macs. There is also information about cellular routers
which allow you to
Can anyone confirm this as a likely fact, or does it sound as if that is
untrue or the customer service rep simply doesn't know what they were
talking about?
If you go to Verizon's web site and click on the Terms and Conditions
link you will see in several places that the terms require Verizon
You will always get a better deal if you get all the services one company
provides. You can also just switch to comcast internet without getting any
other service, although you will pay more then if you get their other
services. On the other end, if you are getting DSL speeds, I can't imagine
You will always get a better deal if you get all the services one company
provides.
Is that really true, or just a come-on to get customers to sign an
expensive long-term contract? Are these plans not full of minimum
requirements and penalty clauses for early termination or even changes in
Well I can only speak in my case. Both Qwest (the worst telco in the world)
and Cox offer better deals for all three (tv, internet and phone) then if I
bought two from one and one from another or any combination. Cox is light
years ahead of qwest in terms of service and speed. I view any
That is only supposed to happen with cable and then only when their
nodes are too far apart.
Stewart
At 06:37 PM 3/12/2008, you wrote:
whether or not speed varies may depend on lots of things (including how
many neighbors are using the service --- but, can't remember
whether that's
whether or not speed varies may depend on lots of things (including how
many neighbors are using the service --- but, can't remember
whether that's cable think so or DSL)
DSL is not a shared line, so provides a fairly constant rate. Cable
promises the moon, but puts the entire
I was also thinking of terms. I was of the understanding that true
DSL...the swtiching of the digital to analog to run on long copper lines
maxes around 6mbit.
Nope. The newest format, VHDSL2, provides up to 250 Mbps full duplex over
twisted-pair copper. It was designed to work over POTS lines.
Yes but the phone companies must be willing to invest in the hardware
and many local/piecemeal phone systems won't do it.
I live less than 2 miles from my switch (As the bird flies closer to
1 mile) and they could not deliver 6mps with reliability, and had to
cut it back to 1.5.
Our cable
This is not true for all areas, may be true for the place you live, here the
complete opposite is true. I've never had consistent speed from DSL since
i've had it. Cox must keep their nodes near enough that this same wire
policy doesn't exist. In the last year or so, cable speeds have done
I really haven't done a LOT of looking around but of the looking around I
have done, I really LOVE Vonage telephone and its services and the fact I
can use it anywhere I go. Right now, the $28 a month for it, and $40 a month
for Verizon DSL, is what I guess I will stick with for the time being. I
isn't Verizon DSL
and Comcast is cable modem??
starpower is cable modem
DC Cavalier wrote:
I really haven't done a LOT of looking around but of the looking around I
have done, I really LOVE Vonage telephone and its services and the fact I
can use it anywhere I go. Right now, the $28 a month
Chris
How fast is your Verizon DSL? What is the monthly charge? Are you in DC?
Have you spoken to more than one CSR at Verizon? When one Customer
service rep gives you the 'wrong' answer, call back and get a different
CSR! Dry loop--unbundled Internet-only without land line--can be much
more
Verizon offers DSL, Satellite and Fiber(FIOS).
Mason
On Mar 12, 2008, at 10:50 PM, Judy Cosler wrote:
isn't Verizon DSL
and Comcast is cable modem??
starpower is cable modem
DC Cavalier wrote:
I really haven't done a LOT of looking around but of the looking
around I
have done, I really
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