Thanks to the rest of you for additional advice (Betty, et al.):
I'll let you know how it works out...when I'm back up and running.
Have a good one.
Arnold
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I don't have to approve of something to understand it. I think this is
how tech types get outmaneuvered and bamboozled. They are not good at
thinking outside their box.
If you don't like my explanation of MS's most recent ads I invite you to
offer a counter explanation. Calling my explanation
Well thank you for proving my point, though I don't appreciate the
crudity and am not quoting that part of your post. When you have to
resort to crudity it is a good sign that your case is not a good one. You
are only trying to squelch discussion.
An organization that has to depend on
I still don't believe that extra servers are as expensive as you think -
they don't need to be as high powered as the one server for everything
approach you like for small businesses.
A nice server fully tricked out and running a rock-solid Unix OS is going
to cost you $300-$400. What did your
You don't get to attribute quality using a 10,000,000
Frenchmen can't be wrong type of argument.
I couldn't agree more, and yet that is exactly what you do, repeatedly.
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The problem is you can't be happy! You just CAN'T be! It's not possible!
You are in denial..that's it..denial.
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I use Dell's all day long and am supremely happy with them.
So what is the big deal?
Why can't
My seagate barracuda 120gb ST3120026A is in a dell 4400 and there is a ringa
janga sound which comes from the unit...I wonder if it is the unit fan
because it began suddenly a few weeks ago and running SeaTools and using the
spindown feature, the sound doesn't go away. The running temp is 27-30
Is this another time when you won't answer? You said you could build one
for 400 dollars...serving 30 users all accessing quicken or even various
autocad files...
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Once again question changed instead of answered.
You only
Does the drive really have a fan? That's unusual. Anyway, usually you
can isolate fan noise by ear or by unplugging it. You may not have to
open the case - not to ear-ball the front and rear case fans,
anyway.
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 1:46 PM, rlsimon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My seagate
Open the case and see.
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 10:46 AM, rlsimon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My seagate barracuda 120gb ST3120026A is in a dell 4400 and there is a
ringa
janga sound which comes from the unit...I wonder if it is the unit fan
because it began suddenly a few weeks ago and running
Hi everyone,
It's me again with a laptop computer question.
Background: Family CURRENTLY has a Dell desktop computer (purchased
circa 2000 or 2001) running Windows XP (don't groan - entire family is
used to it by now). We're happy with this Dell (and we're coping with
Windows - we were a Mac
Stewart, I am more than happy to allow you to enjoy Windows, if you
wish. I was merely making a point, not dissing anyone.
Thank you,
Mark Snyder
-Original Message-
I use Dell's all day long and am supremely happy with them.
So what is the big deal?
Why can't we just get along. (I
And as far as it being a brick, that's a little surprising, too,
since it's thinner and lighter than the competing iPod.
iPod Nano: 6.2 mm and 36.8 gr (as give at the Apple Online Store)
MS Zune 4: 8.5 mm and 47.0 gr (as given at MS's zune.net site)
Why do the Microsoft fan bois constantly
I use Dell's all day long and am supremely happy with them.
So what is the big deal?
I use Dells and Macs all day long. So what is the big deal indeed? You
folks act like I don't know what a PC is. I know how to build them and I
know how to program them. And I know how to avoid them too.
But
Why is it impossible that there are actually people who don't mind...in fact
prefer to use windows?
Off topic. Nobody denies this. Think of the most peverse thing you can
imagine. I won't deny that there are actually people who don't mind and
in fact enjoy it. So what?
For the tenth time, the $249 120GB Zune competes with the $249 120GB iPod
Classic.
That is a 7-year-old design. It is history. Apple has only one model left
in this format. Why are you clinging to it?
Even then you are wrong. The iPod Classic 120 is 10.5 mm thick, the Zune
120 is 12.9 mm
I bought my Dell laptop earlier this year.
Yes you can still get XP on laptops but you need to go with the small
business laptops not the home ones. (I got a Latitude D531 AMD dual core)
Will MS support XP till 13? I am not sure but Vista will not be
around by that time either I guarantee
You are _still_ comparing the latest model from MS to a very old model
from Apple. Why are you doing that? What is the point?
Thank you,
Mark Snyder
-Original Message-
Are you doing this on purpose?
For the tenth time, the $249 120GB Zune competes with the $249 120GB
iPod Classic.
Ah yes... Compuserve... Now an AOL property... In fact, the Compuserve
program (if anyone is still using it became AOL 9.0 (IIRC). It might
have had the cool Compuserve logos on it, but it was still an AOL
program.
-Original Message-
From: Computer Guys Discussion List
[mailto:[EMAIL
Is this another time when you won't answer? You said you could build one
for 400 dollars...serving 30 users all accessing quicken or even various
autocad files...
I will leave it to our Linux congregation to educate you. I just plug
them in and use them. I don't know that your LAN will support
You don't get to attribute quality using a 10,000,000
Frenchmen can't be wrong type of argument.
I couldn't agree more, and yet that is exactly what you do,
repeatedly.
Not at all.
Tom, you do this routinely. Just a couple of days ago: Zune is a loser
because everybody buys iPods.
Is quicken running from the server or is just the data there? If it's
just the data and various autocad files, I'll have to agree with Tom
here that the $400 box would work okay as a file server.
If quicken is actually running from the server, then that might change
the picture somewhat.
Yer the king of off topic...so you'd know
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why is it impossible that there are actually people who don't mind...in
fact
prefer to use windows?
Off topic. Nobody denies this. Think of the most peverse thing you can
Wasn't AOL referred to as the internet on training wheels???
Of course, there were various other names including America On
Hold
-Original Message-
From: Computer Guys Discussion List
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mike
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 4:44 PM
To:
Get them a macbook from one of the catalog houses that will also pre-
install XP under boot camp.
That way you get two for a tad more than the price of one. They can
do their Windows stuff under windows, the rest under OS X.
I can recommend an Apple wireless base station as being real
Right.
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 11:54 AM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is this another time when you won't answer? You said you could build one
for 400 dollars...serving 30 users all accessing quicken or even various
autocad files...
I will leave it to our Linux congregation to
XP might not be supported, but as long as the OS is stable, it shouldn't
matter (yeah, yeah, let's all avoid trying to jump all over that one.
In a non-profit I help out, one of the servers has been up and running
XP Pro for a bit under a year. It had been up and running for 2 years
before that,
On Sep 22, 2008, at 1:21 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
Not always the case.
I have a lot of stuff that is quite old and is still chugging along.
So do I (and come to think of it so am I). ;^)
Want a 386? Got one in my garage.
No thanks - I did run one (under LINUX) up until a few
You have a laptop computer question, and I have some for you! Ha!
1. Will they need to move around with the laptops, or will they be 90%
tethered to a desk? (Battery life is more or less important depending on
your answer.)
2. Will your students need to do fancy things, like rendering video,
Stewart,
Thank you for the information. I don't know how to break it to the
middle schooler that she can't get the cool pink skin on her Dell
(since the business models don't come in all those snazzy colors).
Whatever happened to Dell being committed to building you the computer
YOU want?
You might want to check with them on the availability of XP but they
did have it as an option on their business class machines not the
home machines.
Stewart
At 02:45 PM 9/22/2008, you wrote:
Stewart,
Thank you for the information. I don't know how to break it to the
middle schooler that
The iPod Classic 120 is 10.5 mm thick, the Zune
120 is 12.9 mm thick.
Well, you got me there. The specs in the Wired blog were off. Absolutely,
that 2.4mm explains why he thinks it's a brick. Who wouldn't? I mean, sure,
the Zune weighs less, but that 0.09 in thickness makes it a brick by
You are _still_ comparing the latest model from MS to a very old model
from Apple. Why are you doing that? What is the point?
I've already answered this. It is not a very old model. I am comparing it
to the current iPod Classic, which Apple still makes, which sold 3+ million
units last year,
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Rich Schinnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It also makes it much easier to hire IT support people as the ratio is
probably 1000:1 of PC-MAC in the local hiring market. Check out Craig's
list or the classified. Also many NP's just throw away machines as they
Situation: We're *probably* going to go with Dell laptops for both girls
BUT I don't want Vista on them because I want seamless integration with
all of their previous work that was created in XP, plus all of their
school work (e.g., they start the work in their respective schools -
that are
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 1:23 PM, mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You can serve 30 users on a 400 dollar box? Send me those specs..
Well, you have to identify how those users are being supported. Is it an
email server? A database server? A file server? Are they all using Remote
Desktop to
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 1:40 PM, mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Get what?
Why is it impossible that there are actually people who don't mind...in
fact
prefer to use windows?
It is not impossible. No one said it was. In fact, it happens to be the
case.
Among those people who have tried 2,
Thank you so much for all the help!! I've saved all the responses into a
file so I can create a matrix before getting in touch with Dell!!
Sharon
-Original Message-
From: Jeff Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest
But overall, for many of us, seeing people use Windows is like seeing them
spend money on lottery tickets. Often the ones who are doing either one can
afford it the least.
Gosh, I can't wait to try out those systems those smug and
condescending fellows were talking about!
I did not see the original post on this thread, but would like to add
that there is a perception in micro business and nonprofit worlds that
the learning curve from PC to Mac/Apple is large. As most of the
incoming workforce and the volunteer base grew up on PCs, this may be
another reason
Another aspect of fear that I failed to mention. Thanks.
A false belief BTW.
I did not see the original post on this thread, but would like to add
that there is a perception in micro business and nonprofit worlds that
the learning curve from PC to Mac/Apple is large. As most of the
Second hand donations of computers is not an issue. Clearly those computers
will perform better, with fewer support calls, etc. if they are set up with
Linux. And then you don't have to worry about whether software licenses
were donated with the computers or not.
Linux + a good browser
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The iPod Classic 120 is 10.5 mm thick, the Zune
120 is 12.9 mm thick.
Well, you got me there. The specs in the Wired blog were off. Absolutely,
that 2.4mm explains why he thinks it's a brick. Who wouldn't? I mean, sure,
the Zune weighs less, but that 0.09 in thickness makes it a brick by
I've already answered this. It is not a very old model. I am comparing it
to the current iPod Classic, which Apple still makes, which sold 3+ million
units last year, and which was updated a couple of weeks ago. It is a very
current model.
It is a 7-year-old design, refreshed over and over again.
Wasn't AOL referred to as the internet on training wheels???
Once again. The spread of Internet access changed the game for AOL.
Before the Internet, AOL was the one who got it right. AOL was cool. AOL
was the best place to go for online activity.
Your suggestion that I am trying to squelch discussion does not hold
water because everyone on this list knows in the bottom of their
heart that you are always correct and everyone else (except a few)
are 1000% wrong.
Quit whining, stay on topic, make your case.
Don't argue ad hominem.
Tom, you do this routinely. Just a couple of days ago: Zune is a loser
because everybody buys iPods. Remember? I know that you were paraphrasing
Pogue, but why post that if you don't agree with the premise?
This shows that you did not read what I wrote. This is what started the
hullabaloo. I
It is a 7-year-old design, refreshed over and over again. It is not an
iPod that many people buy.
Let me just point back to my original post, in which I said that my son
wanted a device that he could afford with a decent size screen and a lot of
storage. If that's what you want, the two options
You said it was thinner, but it is really 20 percent thicker. A simple
fact that could be looked up. I looked it up.
I looked it up too. I posted the link. The info on Wired was wrong.
You just insisted that I must be wrong.
No, I didn't. I said it was thinner; you said it wasn't; I checked
For the tenth time, the $249 120GB Zune competes with the $249
120GB iPod
Classic.
That is a 7-year-old design. It is history. Apple has only one model
left
in this format. Why are you clinging to it?
Even then you are wrong. The iPod Classic 120 is 10.5 mm thick, the Zune
120 is 12.9
At 07:34 PM 9/22/2008, you wrote:
Date:Mon, 22 Sep 2008 18:13:02 -0400
From:Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Cloud Computing [Was: Why Small business's and Non_profits...]
Linux + a good browser (Chrome?) will get you access to a world of
software and greatly reduce maintenance.
On Sep 22, 2008, at 5:15 PM, GK wrote:
I did not see the original post on this thread, but would like to
add that there is a perception in micro business and nonprofit
worlds that the learning curve from PC to Mac/Apple is large. As
most of the incoming workforce and the volunteer base
Since my wife and run a small non-profit on the side, I thought
that I should speak up. We use Macs! We had Macs before we started the
non-profit, so why should we buy a PC. In the early days we had to run
softwindows because our accountant wanted us to use QuickBooks and the
Mac
The new Zune was obsolete before it came on the market--the only choice
is one with a hard drive
Betty, as I've mentioned, with the specs and price my son had in mind, the
only choice was between Zune and iPod Classic, and that is the scope of the
comparison I made: if these are your specs,
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