Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service

[Eric S. Sande]

I don't understand why Verizon has chosen to go with only FIOS. 


I think I tried to explain this at some point.  I'll try it again.

We get a greater rate of return from an all optical network, frankly.

Yes it costs more to deploy and not everyone will choose to take
it.  That is called "take rate".  We obviously want a high "take
rate".

We balance that against "pass rate".  That is how fast we can
build it out.  A lot of people, surprisingly more than you think,
don't really want it, but we aren't going to cut off their normal
service if they don't wan't FiOS.

This we have to factor against rate of return compared to
capital investment over time.

Ultimately, an optical network is going to cost much less than
a copper network to maintain.  We know the maintenance
costs of a copper network are extremely high compared to
rate of return on a state of the art optical network.

And potentially worth the capital investment, which if we want
to survive as a telecommunications company we have to do
anyway.

We don't see Euro style DSL as being a viable model because
relatively speaking we have a very much larger area to cover
and a lower relative population density.

We do DSL.  But it is high maintenance over limited range.

And we have to deal with some very pesky regulatory issues.

Better to install the best that you can where you can than to
go with a halfway approach.  We want to be the TV, Internet,
and phone provider of choice, who wouldn't.

So the answer to your question is that we expect to eventually
make a profit, I guess.

And we won't do that by thinking small or going with halfway
solutions.

Nothing that I say about any of this reflects the ah, opinions
or policy of anybody but me, of course.


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Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service

[b_s-wilk]

I don't understand why Verizon has chosen to go with only FIOS. Yes, 
fiber-optic has more bandwidth, but at a huge price. Since you can use 
POTS copper lines for VDSL at 100Mbps speed for a lower cost than FIOS, 
why not do both? The original cost for the DSL switches less than 8 
years ago was $1 million each. The price is down by well over 90%. How 
much do VDSL switches cost? The price is likely to go down as fast as 
for DSL, and service will be cheaper and more generally available.


Friends who have FIOS tell me that their POTS lines have been removed. 
One person said that the line is still there, but Verizon refused to 
reconnect when they said they didn't like FIOS and wanted to go back to 
copper. Seems like an opportunity for VDSL from Verizon or another 
company, just not AT&T since they charge twice as much for DSL as 
Verizon for only slightly faster service.





I have seen an article which states you can insist they leave the pots; some
say you tell them you are getting an alarm system that requires pots to work
...what they want is the copper!!

-Original Message-
From: Tom Piwowar [mailto:t...@tjpa.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 7:40 PM

Subject: Re: DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service


>If Verizon would include POTS in their TV/Internet/Phone package, I 
>would have signed up with them long ago


Amen. Instead they come and rip out your POTS and set you up with a tiny 
battery of uncertain reliability. Not good.



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Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service

[Eric S. Sande]

Does FIOS have backup power from the main office like POTS?


No, but neither does much of POTS if you are served out of a
remote terminal of some kind.  Which people increasingly are.

Many or most of these devices have some kind of backup and
that is where we would deploy crews first.

I think there may be a misconception here, POTS does not
necessarily describe a carrier medium.  Increasingly, the digital
edge so to speak is being pushed further from the CO.

You may still be served by CO battery/generator backup over
straight copper but it is becoming increasingly rare.


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Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service

[Jeff Wright]

Ours was cut right at the NID and left on the line.

> I watched my FIOS installation go in an he left the POTS line connected
> at
> the house and I don't think he disconnected us at the pole.  I wonder
> if it
> was disconnected.


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Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

They recommended one person per congregation!

You forget how people associate sometimes.  1 per a thousand would be 
useless and would fast be overwhelmed.


Stewart

At 06:34 PM 2/25/2009, you wrote:

>Lutheran Disaster Response recommends that some within a congregation
>get a ARL and buy hand held portable radios.

Yes it is sensible for 1 person out of a 1,000 to serve the community,
but it is not a high priority for every individual. If I lived in some
remote location I would certainly up the priority. But that is not the
case for most people.


Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net
Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org
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Re: [CGUYS] Stereo Receiver Tech Considerations

[Jeff Wright]

> Me too, but I have yet to find a radio that is as well made as the
> 20-year-old Yamaha I own. Yamaha still makes radios, but nothing like
> what I have. Plus I would not buy a new radio that did not include HD
> and
> Internet streaming. Put all those needs together and there is nothing
> available.
> 
> I have read and spoken to owners who tell me that HD radios have poor
> reception. Radios that stream tend to be odd and a bit expensive. Amd
> my
> recent experiences with shopping for an MP3 player with speakers has
> got
> me shy about buying.

I just bought a Teac HD Radio/iPod docking system at Costco for $99.  Amazon
calls it a clock radio, and I suppose it could be considered one, but I
wouldn't use it as one.  It has more than decent sound, definitely room
filling, fairly good bass, with an AUX input jack.  I plan on getting a home
connector for my XM receiver and plug that in there, at least for as long as
XM is still around.

I know Teac isn't anywhere near top of the line, but I've been looking at
these for a while and this definitely had the best sound in this price
range, much better than the tinny-sounding JBLs, as well as a good,
heavy-weight remote.  It's a mini-remote, but the weight has a good feel in
your hand.  Plus, I think the system itself it's a nice looking unit.  Very
subdued.

If I want to hear streaming, one of my computers is on the other side of the
room with some so-so HK speakers attached.

http://www.amazon.com/Teac-Clock-Radio-iPhone-Docking/dp/B001TI8LSU


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Re: [CGUYS] Iraqi attack imminent

[db]

Doesn't seem right to knock out all shortwave communication with BPL.  
I'm surprised there hasn't been suits because of bandwidth infringment.


db

b_s-wilk wrote:
My friend has a shortwave base station that has worked for years. It's 
the best first responder emergency radio system. Shortwave operators 
gave reports during Katrina and 9/11 when nobody else could get 
through. Shortwave probably will die when BPL comes online. Too bad. 
There's enough real disasters around the country every year that we 
need reliable emergency communications that don't rely on the electric 
grid.



I suppose if you think the Iraqis pose a large threat to yourself,
then you probably do think emergency radio communications is an absurd
idea. Ah well; hard to argue that one.

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Tom Piwowar  wrote:

>>I just don't think it's realistic to base our lives around remote
>>possibilities.

>
> I see you are from the Dick Cheney school of disaster planning, still
> waiting for the Iraquis to throw rose petals at us.



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Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service

[rleesimon]

my 3 nieces lived within a short radius of the wtc at the time of 9/11 ...we
finally reached them by cell phone even though the towers went down ...they
were able to get some service from nj ...we are forever thankful the
buildings, if they were destined to fall, did so as they did straight down.
Otherwise, those 3 great kids would all be gone as well.

-Original Message-
From: Tony B [mailto:ton...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service


Certainly flaky power is a consideration when evaluating communications
systems for the home. Ours is very reliable, and when it does go out, I
don't really get any big urge to call anyone. I suppose I could have a
medical emergency during a power outage when my wife isn't home with her
cell phone, but what are the odds?

However, note that you've pointed out two occasions when VOIP/cell phones
would have worked for you but your POTS didn't. So how can you claim POTS is
more reliable?

PS The last time a tree branch came down on our line necessitating a call to
the electric company, I simply used the neighbor's cell phone. No need for
expensive POTS lines, and the POTS line would have gone down with the branch
anyway.


On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 8:07 PM, b_s-wilk  wrote:
> they have generators. Our power goes out almost every time there's an 
> electrical storm. We use the POTS line to call the electric company. 
> Basic land line service is cheap, less than $10 a month, and much more 
> reliable than VOIP. Glad I didn't switch.


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Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service

[rleesimon]

magic jack requires a computer to work ...my voip works with only the cable
modem and the phone modem.

-Original Message-
From: b_s-wilk [mailto:b1sun...@yahoo.es] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service


 > That's true. But there are two things to consider.
 > 1) POTS will go out too during emergencies, as it too is a trunked  >
system, relying on having only a few users on at a time.  > 2) On a day to
day basis, how often do catastrophes happen? Last time  > I remember the
phones not working was on 9/11, but I had POTS back  > then. I bet VOIP
would have worked fine.

That's absurd.

Our POTS line has NEVER gone out except when Comcast accidentally cut 
the line next door, and one other time when a flood shorted the switch 
down by the creek. Our phone in Maryland worked on 9/11--I called my 
sister-in-law who was working in lower Manhattan; her phone in Brooklyn 
worked OK after she finally walked home, but the lines were pretty much 
overloaded, for good reason.

VOIP is no good when the power goes out--no power, no modem, no cell 
towers. Verizon has enough backup batteries here to last for a couple of 
days, and they have generators. Our power goes out almost every time 
there's an electrical storm. We use the POTS line to call the electric 
company. Basic land line service is cheap, less than $10 a month, and 
much more reliable than VOIP. Glad I didn't switch.

> I suppose I should point out answering machines aren't compatible with 
> all systems. e.g. My MagicJack has a hard wired 4 ring limit, so you 
> would have to set your answering machine to 3 rings to trump it; not a 
> very viable solution. As I recall the more expensive VOIP systems gave 
> you more control over when your voicemail kicks in.

I can set our analog answering machine to answer after 1, 2, 3 or 4 
rings. Your MagicJack won't work when the power is out. My POTS line will.

Betty


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Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service

[rleesimon]

I have seen an article which states you can insist they leave the pots; some
say you tell them you are getting an alarm system that requires pots to work
...what they want is the copper!!

-Original Message-
From: Tom Piwowar [mailto:t...@tjpa.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service


>If Verizon would include POTS in their TV/Internet/Phone package, I 
>would have signed up with them long ago

Amen. Instead they come and rip out your POTS and set you up with a tiny 
battery of uncertain reliability. Not good.


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Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service

[John Duncan Yoyo]

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Tom Piwowar  wrote:

> >If Verizon would include POTS in their TV/Internet/Phone
> >package, I would have signed up with them long ago
>
> Amen. Instead they come and rip out your POTS and set you up with a tiny
> battery of uncertain reliability. Not good.
>
>
I watched my FIOS installation go in an he left the POTS line connected at
the house and I don't think he disconnected us at the pole.  I wonder if it
was disconnected.

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Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service

[rleesimon]

...we just got a large race car venue here and the homeland security
apparently required the principal routes leading to/from it be covered by
cellular resulting in an app before our planning/zoning board for a tower to
cover the gulph there ...I don't think you are alone thinking the pots is
going the way of spats and vinyl and, alas, fizzies ...with adequate
redundancy and a little planning, the reliability of wireless comm continues
to grow ...I had an original motorola startac years ago which gave me signal
around 20% of the time and the ascent into rare signal loss has been steady.
I think, in the long scheme of things, the cost to maintain pots (which
will, eventually, include not only fone but also fibre and cableTV) will go
away as well in favor of wifi of some sort.  I welcome the sight of a
cityscape and countryscape free of those pesky ubiquitous wires.  I just
wish the privately owned cable/fone/TV conglomerates would get on the
bandwagon here and save us all a bundle! ...bob

-Original Message-
From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service


During Katrina the only way to reach many of the people in and around 
the NO area was text messaging on cell phones.

Land Lines were out, Some Cell towers were overwhelmed and the 
Internet of course was out.

During the tornado in Enterprise, AL, again Cell phones were one of 
the few communication ways going.

Cell is becoming almost as reliable as land line and in some cases better.

Stewart


At 01:43 PM 2/25/2009, you wrote:
>That's true. But there are two things to consider.
>1) POTS will go out too during emergencies, as it too is a trunked 
>system, relying on having only a few users on at a time.
>2) On a day to day basis, how often do catastrophes happen? Last time I 
>remember the phones not working was on 9/11, but I had POTS back then. 
>I bet VOIP would have worked fine.
>
>I just don't think it's realistic to base our lives around remote 
>possibilities. But if you do, then you MUST go all the way and get an 
>amateur radio license and maintain a working station with emergency 
>generators. Having a POTS line is a really false sense of security, at 
>a fairly high comparative price.

Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net
Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org
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Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service

[rleesimon]

They just got fios to the county seat ...in a good wind I can spit into that
jurisdiction ...however, we do NOT get FIOS and they say no breath holding
is advised ...I am with comcast now which gives me net at dsl speed and free
tv basic for a year ...I have never been a comcast customer before ...so far
it works.  My sis got FIOS triple in NY area and has had trouble once and
they came out and fixed it quickly...her fone has backup for 7 hours I think
she said ...they installed that at the interface.  I think the arrival of
FIOS will either be good4me or it may make comcast cable give better
retention deals ...hopefully it will happen before the free year is up!
...bob

-Original Message-
From: Mike Sloane [mailto:mikeslo...@verizon.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service


I agree with the concept of what you wrote, but when I lose power, the 
DSL service AND the voice line goes out about 15 minutes later (I have a 
backup generator that keeps my house power up). It seems that I am 
served by a local repeater that has its own battery backup - one that is 
supposed to stay up for 8 hours but only lasts about 15 minutes. So much 
for "good old Telco staying up when the power goes out". Still, 
considering the years I spent with no cable service and only dial-up, I 
am not complaining. Supposedly, FIOS is coming to our area, but I am not 
holding my breath.

Mike

db wrote:
> Remember that with VOIP if the power goes out... VOIP will tend to go
> out too while POTS tends to be the last comm. service standing.  And in 
> times of regional crisis, cellular is typically out too.  For a period 
> after the Seattle and LA earthquakes and 9/11 all cell circuits were 
> busy. POTS has a dependability advantage not always factored  in when 
> calculating the economics...
> For that purpose, I keep a stripped down POTS line as the way to stretch 
> my cell minutes and to add dependability.
> 
> db.
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Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service

[Richard P.]

While cellphones don't usually go out with power, they did in the DC
area several years ago after high winds came through. The power for
the local cellphone towers went down for a couple of days but POTS
still worked the entire time (thank you Verizon!).

Richard P


 and cell phones usually don't go out with the power
> either.


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Re: [CGUYS] Stereo Receiver Tech Considerations

[katan]

On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 13:47:23 -0500, Tony B wrote:

>Would there be any reason in 2009 to consider a receiver that couldn't
>pick up internet radio? I mean, talk about receiving far away stations
>clearly...

Sure. You have an old laptop that can serve the purpose. And it can
also serve up the iTunes.

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Re: [CGUYS] Stereo Receiver Tech Considerations

[katan]

On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:27:04 -0600, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IT) wrote:

> Your message reflects a big part of my problem; It is just radio.
>No DVD, no TV. I would like the money going into just radio reception
>(analogue and digital audio), amplification and distribution to
>speakers.  I don't really want to pay for home theater.

Assuming it's just the tuner part that you're having a problem with, do
you have enough inputs on the back of your reciever to buy a seperate
tuner to plug into?

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Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service

[Tony B]

Although cable *may* go out during a power outage, it may not - people
here on the mountain tell about using their generators and being
amazed cable was still up. Besides, VOIP can also be carried over
satellite or DSL, and cell phones usually don't go out with the power
either.


On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 8:13 PM, b_s-wilk  wrote:
> When there is no power, there's no cable.


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Re: [CGUYS] Recovery [Boot] CD for Mac OS X Tiger

[b_s-wilk]

Are you sure this is possible? I wanted to put OS X on my external
drive, but it's a USB drive and OS X wouldn't load as a workable
operating system to a USB drive. All thumb drives I've seen have been
USB.

Jeff M


We tested a 16GB thumb drive as a boot drive at a meeting last month.
Yes you can install Leopard on the USB2 drive and it will boot and run
only the newest Intel Macs. We used a MacBook Pro for about an hour to
give presentations and on the web. A friend who manages around 100 Macs
at a large [solvent] credit card company uses it for diagnostics he
can't do on the network.

http://blog.bradbergeron.com/2006/11/howto-install-and-boot-os-x-on-a-flash-drive/

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Re: [CGUYS] Iraqi attack imminent

[b_s-wilk]

My friend has a shortwave base station that has worked for years. It's 
the best first responder emergency radio system. Shortwave operators 
gave reports during Katrina and 9/11 when nobody else could get through. 
Shortwave probably will die when BPL comes online. Too bad. There's 
enough real disasters around the country every year that we need 
reliable emergency communications that don't rely on the electric grid.



I suppose if you think the Iraqis pose a large threat to yourself,
then you probably do think emergency radio communications is an absurd
idea. Ah well; hard to argue that one.

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Tom Piwowar  wrote:

>>I just don't think it's realistic to base our lives around remote
>>possibilities.

>
> I see you are from the Dick Cheney school of disaster planning, still
> waiting for the Iraquis to throw rose petals at us.



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Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service

[Tony B]

Certainly flaky power is a consideration when evaluating
communications systems for the home. Ours is very reliable, and when
it does go out, I don't really get any big urge to call anyone. I
suppose I could have a medical emergency during a power outage when my
wife isn't home with her cell phone, but what are the odds?

However, note that you've pointed out two occasions when VOIP/cell
phones would have worked for you but your POTS didn't. So how can you
claim POTS is more reliable?

PS The last time a tree branch came down on our line necessitating a
call to the electric company, I simply used the neighbor's cell phone.
No need for expensive POTS lines, and the POTS line would have gone
down with the branch anyway.


On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 8:07 PM, b_s-wilk  wrote:
> they have generators. Our power goes out almost every time there's an
> electrical storm. We use the POTS line to call the electric company. Basic
> land line service is cheap, less than $10 a month, and much more reliable
> than VOIP. Glad I didn't switch.


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Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service

[b_s-wilk]

I don't think that's sufficient justification to keep POTS ...just buy a
simple battery backup unit which, for the small draw of a cable modem and
the voip modem, will likely last many hours most likely longer than any
outage at least around here ...I was with ATT.net ever since they came over
from ibm.net and now with cable and voip haven't regretted it at all.


When there is no power, there's no cable. A generator or backup battery 
at your house won't make any difference if there's no outside power for 
your cable company. It might work if you have DSL and can power the modem.


Does FIOS have backup power from the main office like POTS?


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Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service

[b_s-wilk]

> That's true. But there are two things to consider.
> 1) POTS will go out too during emergencies, as it too is a trunked
> system, relying on having only a few users on at a time.
> 2) On a day to day basis, how often do catastrophes happen? Last time
> I remember the phones not working was on 9/11, but I had POTS back
> then. I bet VOIP would have worked fine.

That's absurd.

Our POTS line has NEVER gone out except when Comcast accidentally cut 
the line next door, and one other time when a flood shorted the switch 
down by the creek. Our phone in Maryland worked on 9/11--I called my 
sister-in-law who was working in lower Manhattan; her phone in Brooklyn 
worked OK after she finally walked home, but the lines were pretty much 
overloaded, for good reason.


VOIP is no good when the power goes out--no power, no modem, no cell 
towers. Verizon has enough backup batteries here to last for a couple of 
days, and they have generators. Our power goes out almost every time 
there's an electrical storm. We use the POTS line to call the electric 
company. Basic land line service is cheap, less than $10 a month, and 
much more reliable than VOIP. Glad I didn't switch.



I suppose I should point out answering machines aren't compatible with
all systems. e.g. My MagicJack has a hard wired 4 ring limit, so you
would have to set your answering machine to 3 rings to trump it; not a
very viable solution. As I recall the more expensive VOIP systems gave
you more control over when your voicemail kicks in.


I can set our analog answering machine to answer after 1, 2, 3 or 4 
rings. Your MagicJack won't work when the power is out. My POTS line will.


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Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service

[Tom Piwowar]

>If Verizon would include POTS in their TV/Internet/Phone
>package, I would have signed up with them long ago

Amen. Instead they come and rip out your POTS and set you up with a tiny 
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Re: [CGUYS] Recovery [Boot] CD for Mac OS X Tiger

[b_s-wilk]

Replace the CD-RW drive with a DVD drive. This should be a cheaper and 
easier task.


>The install disk is on a DVD, and was installed through a network. The 
>system is on an iMac that only has a CD-RW drive. The iMac was given to 
>me, and I gave it to my brother, but without recovery disks. I have a 
>Tiger installation DVD that I'm not using on my Mac since I bought an 
>iMac with Leopard.


It's an indigo CRT iMac. I don't like to take them apart. The airport 
card and RAM are easy. The rest is annoying. How much trouble is it?


Since he's 200 miles away, I'll see if I can find a DVD drive and cheap 
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Re: [CGUYS] Dragon engine, MacSpeech

[Tom Piwowar]

>Has anyone on this list used it?  What did you think?  Do you know  
>anybody else who has used it?

I have used Dragon and was surprised at how well it worked. Nice to know 
that I now have a Mac version.


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Re: [CGUYS] Iraqi attack imminent

[Tom Piwowar]

>Wonder if anybody else remembers this--shortly after 9/11, a lot of  
>people in this [National Capitol] area were buying off-the-shelf  
>walkie-talkies.  They're short-range, but the idea was that you could  
>get a message through to a distant destination via other cooperating  
>walkie-talkie owners.

It is possible, but works best with people who have a system and 
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Re: [CGUYS] Recovery [Boot] CD for Mac OS X Tiger

[Tom Piwowar]

>I think MicoMat sold a thumb drive with their TechTool disk repair  
>utility on it.

They do (did?), but it is a FireWire flash drive. Some Macs can boot from 
USB, but older Macs will do so only via FireWire.


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Re: [CGUYS] Recovery [Boot] CD for Mac OS X Tiger

[Tom Piwowar]

>Apple makes the install disks model specific.  An installer disk for 
>an iMac won't work on an iBook etc.  They may well have the very same 
>files but only the Apple over the counter install disks will work 
>with any machine you pop it into.  This has been the case for at 
>least ten years.

Correct. It is therefore best to use a generic version bought at retail.


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Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service

[Tom Piwowar]

>Lutheran Disaster Response recommends that some within a congregation 
>get a ARL and buy hand held portable radios.

Yes it is sensible for 1 person out of a 1,000 to serve the community, 
but it is not a high priority for every individual. If I lived in some 
remote location I would certainly up the priority. But that is not the 
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Re: [CGUYS] Iraqi attack imminent

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

Before the advent of everyone has a cell phone, we used to use them 
to keep track of groups when we went to a conventions/gathering.


The problem was everyone had the same darn things.

I remember when CB was the rage and when I live din Northern Ontario 
we could talk via the skip and get folks in LA.


Again contrary to US FCC law, but in Canada who was going to touch 
you?  (CRTC?)


Stewart


At 06:23 PM 2/25/2009, you wrote:

Wonder if anybody else remembers this--shortly after 9/11, a lot of
people in this [National Capitol] area were buying off-the-shelf
walkie-talkies.  They're short-range, but the idea was that you could
get a message through to a distant destination via other cooperating
walkie-talkie owners.  This kind of thing will get you into all kinds
of trouble with the FCC, but at the time, nobody gave a flying 
about what the FCC thought.  On 9/11, I was 2 subway stops away from
the Pentagon--you could see the smoke out the window--and available
communications channels were slow or jammed.  I don't know who
thought of the walkie-talkie idea--Vox Populi, maybe.  I never had to
test this idea, but in the spirit of the times, I think it might have
worked.

We later used ours to coordinate a convoy with my brother on a road
trip to North Carolina

--Constance Warner


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Re: [CGUYS] Iraqi attack imminent

[Constance Warner]

Wonder if anybody else remembers this--shortly after 9/11, a lot of  
people in this [National Capitol] area were buying off-the-shelf  
walkie-talkies.  They're short-range, but the idea was that you could  
get a message through to a distant destination via other cooperating  
walkie-talkie owners.  This kind of thing will get you into all kinds  
of trouble with the FCC, but at the time, nobody gave a flying   
about what the FCC thought.  On 9/11, I was 2 subway stops away from  
the Pentagon--you could see the smoke out the window--and available  
communications channels were slow or jammed.  I don't know who  
thought of the walkie-talkie idea--Vox Populi, maybe.  I never had to  
test this idea, but in the spirit of the times, I think it might have  
worked.


We later used ours to coordinate a convoy with my brother on a road  
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Re: [CGUYS] Recovery [Boot] CD for Mac OS X Tiger

[Jeff Miles]

	Also I was only asking basically. I was trying to put a full version  
of OS X on the USB drive, not just make it a bootable drive. And I do  
believe there is a difference. But I'm not sure if there is a  
difference when it comes to full OS X and a boot drive for OS X. I'll  
quit now because I'm beyond what I know.


Jeff M


On Feb 25, 2009, at 2:44 PM, Jim wrote:

I don't know why not.  My backup drive is created with SuperDuper  
disk cloning software on a USB drive and it boots with no  
problems.   I think MicoMat sold a thumb drive with their TechTool  
disk repair utility on it.


Jim

On Feb 25, 2009, at 4:34 PM, Jeff Miles wrote:

	Are you sure this is possible? I wanted to put OS X on my external  
drive, but it's a USB drive and OS X wouldn't load as a workable  
operating system to a USB drive. All thumb drives I've seen have  
been USB.


Jeff M


On Feb 25, 2009, at 1:20 PM, Jim wrote:

I believe you can make a bootable drive out of a thumb drive.   
Plus you could add any repair utilities you wanted.


Jim


On Feb 25, 2009, at 12:23 PM, b_s-wilk wrote:


How do you make a bootable CD for Mac OS X Tiger?

The install disk is on a DVD, and was installed through a  
network. The system is on an iMac that only has a CD-RW drive.  
The iMac was given to me, and I gave it to my brother, but  
without recovery disks. I have a Tiger installation DVD that I'm  
not using on my Mac since I bought an iMac with Leopard.


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Re: [CGUYS] Iraqi attack imminent

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

That will work for local communication.

Stewart


At 06:08 PM 2/25/2009, you wrote:

I have 2 green giant peas cans and a string to the neighbor ...how's that?

-Original Message-
From: mike [mailto:xha...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: Iraqi attack imminent


I've got a friend in canada with her HAM license, she uses it in part for
tornado watching in her area.  Sometimes low tech is the best tech.

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall <
popoz...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Try living in a Hurricane and Tornado prone area.  You get all the
> options to communicate because you just might need one.
>
> Stewart
>
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> At 03:11 PM 2/25/2009, you wrote:
>
>> I suppose if you think the Iraqis pose a large threat to yourself,
>> then you probably do think emergency radio communications is an
>> absurd idea. Ah well; hard to argue that one.
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Re: [CGUYS] Iraqi attack imminent

[rleesimon]

I have 2 green giant peas cans and a string to the neighbor ...how's that?

-Original Message-
From: mike [mailto:xha...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: Iraqi attack imminent


I've got a friend in canada with her HAM license, she uses it in part for
tornado watching in her area.  Sometimes low tech is the best tech.

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall <
popoz...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Try living in a Hurricane and Tornado prone area.  You get all the 
> options to communicate because you just might need one.
>
> Stewart
>
>
> At 03:11 PM 2/25/2009, you wrote:
>
>> I suppose if you think the Iraqis pose a large threat to yourself, 
>> then you probably do think emergency radio communications is an 
>> absurd idea. Ah well; hard to argue that one.
>>
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[CGUYS] Dragon engine, MacSpeech

[Constance Warner]

I just found out that a speech recognition program for Mac which is  
based on Dragon Naturally Speaking--widely considered to be the best  
voice recognition program yet produced--has been available since  
January 2008, when MacSpeech Dictate won best-in-show at MacWorld.


It's gotten reviews that range from very good to mixed.

Has anyone on this list used it?  What did you think?  Do you know  
anybody else who has used it?


Full retail is $200, so it's not a casual impulse purchase.

(I probably wouldn't be interested if I wasn't still sidelined with a  
broken arm, for which I  had surgery a week and a half ago.  I don't  
want to sound ungrateful, & I'm glad to live in a time when surgery  
is available--but as an experience, surgery SUCKS, big-time.  The arm  
still hurts, and I won't be able to type with both hands for many  
weeks yet.  Hence the interest in voice-recognition software)


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Re: [CGUYS] Iraqi attack imminent

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

You got it when worse comes to worse (which it does every so often, 
especially when you least expect it) the low tech options seem to 
keep on working a lot like the old Timex's.


Stewart


At 04:58 PM 2/25/2009, you wrote:

I've got a friend in canada with her HAM license, she uses it in part for
tornado watching in her area.  Sometimes low tech is the best tech.

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall <
popoz...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Try living in a Hurricane and Tornado prone area.  You get all the options
> to communicate because you just might need one.
>
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Re: [CGUYS] Iraqi attack imminent

[mike]

I've got a friend in canada with her HAM license, she uses it in part for
tornado watching in her area.  Sometimes low tech is the best tech.

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall <
popoz...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Try living in a Hurricane and Tornado prone area.  You get all the options
> to communicate because you just might need one.
>
> Stewart
>
>
> At 03:11 PM 2/25/2009, you wrote:
>
>> I suppose if you think the Iraqis pose a large threat to yourself,
>> then you probably do think emergency radio communications is an absurd
>> idea. Ah well; hard to argue that one.
>>
>
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Re: [CGUYS] Recovery [Boot] CD for Mac OS X Tiger

[Jim]

I was wrong about MicroMat.  Their device was firewire only.

Jim


On Feb 25, 2009, at 4:34 PM, Jeff Miles wrote:

	Are you sure this is possible? I wanted to put OS X on my external  
drive, but it's a USB drive and OS X wouldn't load as a workable  
operating system to a USB drive. All thumb drives I've seen have  
been USB.


Jeff M


On Feb 25, 2009, at 1:20 PM, Jim wrote:

I believe you can make a bootable drive out of a thumb drive.  Plus  
you could add any repair utilities you wanted.


Jim


On Feb 25, 2009, at 12:23 PM, b_s-wilk wrote:


How do you make a bootable CD for Mac OS X Tiger?

The install disk is on a DVD, and was installed through a network.  
The system is on an iMac that only has a CD-RW drive. The iMac was  
given to me, and I gave it to my brother, but without recovery  
disks. I have a Tiger installation DVD that I'm not using on my  
Mac since I bought an iMac with Leopard.


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Re: [CGUYS] Recovery [Boot] CD for Mac OS X Tiger

[Stephen Brownfield]

On my old iMac I attached an external Firewire/USB2 DVD burner.  (I have 
to boot by Firewire because I do not have USB 2. ) That is how I put 
Tiger on my iMac from a DVD.  A thumb drive will work only if you have 
USB 2.  Someone stated that the Apple install disks are model specific. 
This is often true with what ships with the computer, but this computer 
seems to have been upgrade so that should not be an issue.
   Another option (which I have never tried) that should work if you 
have a Mac laptop with a DVD drive, is put the DVD in the laptop then 
connect the laptop & iMac via Firewire and start the iMac in target disk 
mode.



Steve


b_s-wilk wrote:

How do you make a bootable CD for Mac OS X Tiger?

The install disk is on a DVD, and was installed through a network. The 
system is on an iMac that only has a CD-RW drive. The iMac was given 
to me, and I gave it to my brother, but without recovery disks. I have 
a Tiger installation DVD that I'm not using on my Mac since I bought 
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Re: [CGUYS] Iraqi attack imminent

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

Try living in a Hurricane and Tornado prone area.  You get all the 
options to communicate because you just might need one.


Stewart


At 03:11 PM 2/25/2009, you wrote:

I suppose if you think the Iraqis pose a large threat to yourself,
then you probably do think emergency radio communications is an absurd
idea. Ah well; hard to argue that one.


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Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service

[rleesimon]

I must say, I have DSL speed but it is the cable from the cable TV provider,
not the phone wire ...with that, I have reached the bitter end of my
personal knowledgebase...

-Original Message-
From: db [mailto:db...@att.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 4:42 PM
To: rleesimon
Subject: Re: DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service


It's not so much your end of VOIP as the profider's.  In the case of cable
company's power ... while cable companies have batteries on some poles, from
a number years of experience with their fail-often service, I seriously
doubt, they will stay up for long if electrical  power goes down.

I wonder how DSL would be affected?

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Re: [CGUYS] Stereo Receiver Tech Considerations--different radio service options

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

Sure,

Internet radio uses your broadband connection to get a radio signal 
sent over broadband (really a streaming audio link) to get  your 
audio fix.  Put in the URL and you get radio.  I listen to some 
really nice NPR stuff via broadband.


XMS.Sirrus is a subscriber satellite link that you get from the radio 
waves via a special receiver that allows you to listen via a 
subscription service. (so airwave)


Radio via Cable provider is a normal radio signal or special audio 
channels that get broadcast via RF, not broadband.  I used to listen 
to some of this when I lived in the far north (Great White North) and 
the only local option was pretty poor.  (actually got some great 
audio from Ottawa)


They are all different ways to give us audio signals with some work.

By the way Internet Audio now has a formula on how they will pay off 
the RIAA for music braodcast via Internet radio.


Stewart




At 03:16 PM 2/25/2009, you wrote:

Tony mentions internet radio.
can anybody tell me the differences between internet radio, XMS, what you
get with your TV cable provider, and others that I can't think of right
now???


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Re: [CGUYS] Stereo Receiver Tech Considerations

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

Hybird Digital is not at all like Digital TV.  It is a way that radio 
stations can pump out more options.


Many are going to it, but it is not al all mandated like the digital 
conversion.


Stewart


At 02:31 PM 2/25/2009, you wrote:

Snyder, Mark - IdM (IT) wrote:


Are we using HD and digital transmission (instead of analog) as same or
different things, in terms or radio/stereo receivers?  I liked my Denon,
too, but it is starting to fail...  Aren't radio transmitters going to
digital transmission, the way TV is now?  Any incentive for them to it
later rather than sooner?

Thank you,

Mark Snyder



Mark,

I do not believe there is a FCC mandate for Radio Broadcasters to 
switch as there is for TV Broadcasters.
The Hybrid Digital radio conversion is more voluntary in order to 
gain either higher fidelity or more variety of programming.


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Re: [CGUYS] Recovery [Boot] CD for Mac OS X Tiger

[Jim]

I don't know why not.  My backup drive is created with SuperDuper disk  
cloning software on a USB drive and it boots with no problems.   I  
think MicoMat sold a thumb drive with their TechTool disk repair  
utility on it.


Jim

On Feb 25, 2009, at 4:34 PM, Jeff Miles wrote:

	Are you sure this is possible? I wanted to put OS X on my external  
drive, but it's a USB drive and OS X wouldn't load as a workable  
operating system to a USB drive. All thumb drives I've seen have  
been USB.


Jeff M


On Feb 25, 2009, at 1:20 PM, Jim wrote:

I believe you can make a bootable drive out of a thumb drive.  Plus  
you could add any repair utilities you wanted.


Jim


On Feb 25, 2009, at 12:23 PM, b_s-wilk wrote:


How do you make a bootable CD for Mac OS X Tiger?

The install disk is on a DVD, and was installed through a network.  
The system is on an iMac that only has a CD-RW drive. The iMac was  
given to me, and I gave it to my brother, but without recovery  
disks. I have a Tiger installation DVD that I'm not using on my  
Mac since I bought an iMac with Leopard.


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Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

Lutheran Disaster Response recommends that some within a congregation 
get a ARL and buy hand held portable radios.


For when all else fails, and all land lines, etc. fail, ARL is still 
on the air.


ARL are much easier to get than they used to be, and a decent hand 
held radio is only about 300$ and it does not get outdated like a 
cell phone does so this is a long term investment.


Stewart

At 02:31 PM 2/25/2009, you wrote:

>But if you do, then you MUST go all the way and get an
>amateur radio license and maintain a working station with emergency

Denying the reasonable by suggesting the absurd. Good thinking. Sure.


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Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service

[Mike Sloane]

Plain Old Telephone Service

Mike

Judy Cosler wrote:

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Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

Have a digital one with 4 mail boxes.  Want it?

Stewart


At 01:47 PM 2/25/2009, you wrote:
The thing that bothers me with the new DECT 6 answering machines is 
I could not find one that would support multiple voicemail box recordings.


They used to but new models seem to have dropped that ... good for 
families capability.


db


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Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

During Katrina the only way to reach many of the people in and around 
the NO area was text messaging on cell phones.


Land Lines were out, Some Cell towers were overwhelmed and the 
Internet of course was out.


During the tornado in Enterprise, AL, again Cell phones were one of 
the few communication ways going.


Cell is becoming almost as reliable as land line and in some cases better.

Stewart


At 01:43 PM 2/25/2009, you wrote:

That's true. But there are two things to consider.
1) POTS will go out too during emergencies, as it too is a trunked
system, relying on having only a few users on at a time.
2) On a day to day basis, how often do catastrophes happen? Last time
I remember the phones not working was on 9/11, but I had POTS back
then. I bet VOIP would have worked fine.

I just don't think it's realistic to base our lives around remote
possibilities. But if you do, then you MUST go all the way and get an
amateur radio license and maintain a working station with emergency
generators. Having a POTS line is a really false sense of security, at
a fairly high comparative price.


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Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service

[Mike Sloane]

I agree with the concept of what you wrote, but when I lose power, the 
DSL service AND the voice line goes out about 15 minutes later (I have a 
backup generator that keeps my house power up). It seems that I am 
served by a local repeater that has its own battery backup - one that is 
supposed to stay up for 8 hours but only lasts about 15 minutes. So much 
for "good old Telco staying up when the power goes out". Still, 
considering the years I spent with no cable service and only dial-up, I 
am not complaining. Supposedly, FIOS is coming to our area, but I am not 
holding my breath.


Mike

db wrote:
Remember that with VOIP if the power goes out... VOIP will tend to go 
out too while POTS tends to be the last comm. service standing.  And in 
times of regional crisis, cellular is typically out too.  For a period 
after the Seattle and LA earthquakes and 9/11 all cell circuits were 
busy. POTS has a dependability advantage not always factored  in when 
calculating the economics...
For that purpose, I keep a stripped down POTS line as the way to stretch 
my cell minutes and to add dependability.


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Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service

[rleesimon]

voip with some providers needs the computer to run it (like it is for
www.magicjack.com) ...but for the kind of voip I got, only the 2 modems need
to run; I shut down my computer system at night.  I never knew that until I
researched about it and it became one reason why I got www.phonepower.com
which has that feature.  
 
-Original Message-
From: Judy Cosler [mailto:jfcos...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 4:52 PM
To: rleesimon
Subject: Re: DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service



but, don't you need battery b/u for the computer also?


On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 4:33 PM, rleesimon  wrote:


my voip has enhanced 911 service and I have a battery backup for the
modem...

-Original Message-
From: Judy Cosler [mailto:jfcos...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service


don't you need/shouldn't you have a land line in case you need 911?

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Tony B  wrote:

> I don't see why not, especially since you may not be getting it from
> the local phone company right now. I assumed you were, which was why
> you were reluctant to give up the old landline. Anyway, a quick call
> to your phone company/Earthlink should answer the question and supply
> pricing info.
>
> But again, now may be the time to consider alternatives. Specifically,
> cable & satellite options. For myself, it was cheaper to drop DSL and
> go with VOIP over cable (satellite has too much latency for my gaming
> to be considered).
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:02 AM, David Turk
> 
> wrote:
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> >
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> > DSL
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Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service

[Tom Piwowar]

>POTS??

"Plain Old Telephone Service"

Believe it of not, that is the industry term for it.


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Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service

[rleesimon]

I don't think that's sufficient justification to keep POTS ...just buy a
simple battery backup unit which, for the small draw of a cable modem and
the voip modem, will likely last many hours most likely longer than any
outage at least around here ...I was with ATT.net ever since they came over
from ibm.net and now with cable and voip haven't regretted it at all.

-Original Message-
From: db [mailto:db...@att.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service


Remember that with VOIP if the power goes out... VOIP will tend to go 
out too while POTS tends to be the last comm. service standing.  And in 
times of regional crisis, cellular is typically out too.  For a period 
after the Seattle and LA earthquakes and 9/11 all cell circuits were busy. 
POTS has a dependability advantage not always factored  in when 
calculating the economics...
For that purpose, I keep a stripped down POTS line as the way to stretch 
my cell minutes and to add dependability.

db.

Tony B wrote:
> I don't see why not, especially since you may not be getting it from 
> the local phone company right now. I assumed you were, which was why 
> you were reluctant to give up the old landline. Anyway, a quick call 
> to your phone company/Earthlink should answer the question and supply 
> pricing info.
>
> But again, now may be the time to consider alternatives. Specifically, 
> cable & satellite options. For myself, it was cheaper to drop DSL and 
> go with VOIP over cable (satellite has too much latency for my gaming 
> to be considered).
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:02 AM, David Turk 
>  wrote:
>   
>> OK, here's something I've been wondering for awhile.
>>
>> If I discontinue my home phone service, will I still be able to get 
>> DSL from my ISP (Earthlink in this case), since it comes in over the
phone lines?
>> 
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Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service

[Richard P.]

Plain Old Telephone Service, also known as analog.

Richard P.

> POTS??
>

>
>> Remember that with VOIP if the power goes out... VOIP will tend to go out
>> too while POTS tends to be the last comm. service standing.  And in times of
>> regional crisis, cellular is typically out too.  For a period after the
>> Seattle and LA earthquakes and 9/11 all cell circuits were busy. POTS has a
>> dependability advantage not always factored  in when calculating the
>> economics...
>> For that purpose, I keep a stripped down POTS line as the way to stretch my
>> cell minutes and to add dependability.
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Re: [CGUYS] Recovery [Boot] CD for Mac OS X Tiger

[Jeff Miles]

	Are you sure this is possible? I wanted to put OS X on my external  
drive, but it's a USB drive and OS X wouldn't load as a workable  
operating system to a USB drive. All thumb drives I've seen have been  
USB.


Jeff M


On Feb 25, 2009, at 1:20 PM, Jim wrote:

I believe you can make a bootable drive out of a thumb drive.  Plus  
you could add any repair utilities you wanted.


Jim


On Feb 25, 2009, at 12:23 PM, b_s-wilk wrote:


How do you make a bootable CD for Mac OS X Tiger?

The install disk is on a DVD, and was installed through a network.  
The system is on an iMac that only has a CD-RW drive. The iMac was  
given to me, and I gave it to my brother, but without recovery  
disks. I have a Tiger installation DVD that I'm not using on my Mac  
since I bought an iMac with Leopard.


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Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service

[Richard P.]

I've used POTS twice this month alone when the power went out(along
with the heat), while it was less than 20 degrees outside. I consider
that enough of an emergency use to be worth having and paying for. In
addition, the sound quality is superior to any non-POTS service I've
heard. If Verizon would include POTS in their TV/Internet/Phone
package, I would have signed up with them long ago.

Richard P.



> 1) POTS will go out too during emergencies, as it too is a trunked
> system, relying on having only a few users on at a time.
> 2) On a day to day basis, how often do catastrophes happen? Last time
> I remember the phones not working was on 9/11, but I had POTS back
> then. I bet VOIP would have worked fine.

>> Remember that with VOIP if the power goes out... VOIP will tend to go out
>> too while POTS tends to be the last comm. service standing.  And in times of
>> regional crisis, cellular is typically out too.  For a period after the
>> Seattle and LA earthquakes and 9/11 all cell circuits were busy. POTS has a
>> dependability advantage not always factored  in when calculating the
>> economics...
>> For that purpose, I keep a stripped down POTS line as the way to stretch my
>> cell minutes and to add dependability.


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Re: [CGUYS] Recovery [Boot] CD for Mac OS X Tiger

[E. Riley Casey]

Apple makes the install disks model specific.  An installer disk for 
an iMac won't work on an iBook etc.  They may well have the very same 
files but only the Apple over the counter install disks will work 
with any machine you pop it into.  This has been the case for at 
least ten years.



At 11:35 AM -0800 2/25/09, b_s-wilk wrote::


How do you make a bootable CD for Mac OS X Tiger?



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Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines

[rleesimon]

with dsl you could get www.phonepower.com which has all the features you
need and save a bundle...I got it when they had 10%off and paid for a whole
year for which they offered 2nd year free ...wow!!  It is the clearest
connection I ever had and also has online message reading as well as each
message to you as a .wav attachment in email ...the modem was free ($15 s/h)
& the customer service is in the USA and knowledgeable. ...and for calls to
our EU family, 1.7cents/min is chp!  ...I could not be more pleased.

AND...redacted private portion.
-Original Message-
From: David Turk [mailto:dt...@indianahistory.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:15 AM
Subject: DSL & answering machines


In an effort to cut back on costs, we switched our home phone service to
basic, unlimited calls-no voicemail, forwarding, call waiting, etc.  I dug
an old digital answering machine out of the closet, but it had a ton of
static on it.  I bought a small  new one (& there was only one model
available).  It seemed to work fine, but then the ends of the messages are
completely garbled by static.  Took it back, went somewhere else, bought a
different one.  Same thing.  I have filters on all the phone lines, as we
have DSL.  Could this be the problem, & how can I fix it?  tia.
   
david

David Turk
Manager, Preservation Imaging Services
Indiana Historical Society
Eugene and Marilyn Glick Indiana History Center
450 W. Ohio St.
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Re: [CGUYS] Recovery [Boot] CD for Mac OS X Tiger

[Jim]

I believe you can make a bootable drive out of a thumb drive.  Plus  
you could add any repair utilities you wanted.


Jim


On Feb 25, 2009, at 12:23 PM, b_s-wilk wrote:


How do you make a bootable CD for Mac OS X Tiger?

The install disk is on a DVD, and was installed through a network.  
The system is on an iMac that only has a CD-RW drive. The iMac was  
given to me, and I gave it to my brother, but without recovery  
disks. I have a Tiger installation DVD that I'm not using on my Mac  
since I bought an iMac with Leopard.


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Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service

[Judy Cosler]

POTS??

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 2:28 PM, db  wrote:

> Remember that with VOIP if the power goes out... VOIP will tend to go out
> too while POTS tends to be the last comm. service standing.  And in times of
> regional crisis, cellular is typically out too.  For a period after the
> Seattle and LA earthquakes and 9/11 all cell circuits were busy. POTS has a
> dependability advantage not always factored  in when calculating the
> economics...
> For that purpose, I keep a stripped down POTS line as the way to stretch my
> cell minutes and to add dependability.
>
> db.
>
>
> Tony B wrote:
>
>> I don't see why not, especially since you may not be getting it from
>> the local phone company right now. I assumed you were, which was why
>> you were reluctant to give up the old landline. Anyway, a quick call
>> to your phone company/Earthlink should answer the question and supply
>> pricing info.
>>
>> But again, now may be the time to consider alternatives. Specifically,
>> cable & satellite options. For myself, it was cheaper to drop DSL and
>> go with VOIP over cable (satellite has too much latency for my gaming
>> to be considered).
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:02 AM, David Turk 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> OK, here's something I've been wondering for awhile.
>>>
>>> If I discontinue my home phone service, will I still be able to get DSL
>>> from my ISP (Earthlink in this case), since it comes in over the phone
>>> lines?
>>>
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Re: [CGUYS] Stereo Receiver Tech Considerations--different radio service options

[Judy Cosler]

Tony mentions internet radio.
can anybody tell me the differences between internet radio, XMS, what you
get with your TV cable provider, and others that I can't think of right
now???

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Tony B  wrote:

> Would there be any reason in 2009 to consider a receiver that couldn't
> pick up internet radio? I mean, talk about receiving far away stations
> clearly...
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[CGUYS] Iraqi attack imminent

[Tony B]

I suppose if you think the Iraqis pose a large threat to yourself,
then you probably do think emergency radio communications is an absurd
idea. Ah well; hard to argue that one.

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Tom Piwowar  wrote:
>>I just don't think it's realistic to base our lives around remote
>>possibilities.
>
> I see you are from the Dick Cheney school of disaster planning, still
> waiting for the Iraquis to throw rose petals at us.
>
>>But if you do, then you MUST go all the way and get an
>>amateur radio license and maintain a working station with emergency
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Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines

[Tony B]

I suppose I should point out answering machines aren't compatible with
all systems. e.g. My MagicJack has a hard wired 4 ring limit, so you
would have to set your answering machine to 3 rings to trump it; not a
very viable solution. As I recall the more expensive VOIP systems gave
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Re: [CGUYS] Stereo Receiver Tech Considerations

[b_s-wilk]

Would there be any reason in 2009 to consider a receiver that couldn't
pick up internet radio? I mean, talk about receiving far away stations
clearly...

http://www.crutchfield.com/g_200650/Streamers.html?tp=255


Would there be any reason to pay megabucks more for a receiver when you 
can broadcast internet radio directly from a computer?


I've been doing that for years. I can also get Internet radio on my iPod 
Touch which I can plug directly into our Harmon-Kardon [or Onkyo or JVC] 
receiver, or use anywhere I can get WiFi.


Pay more, get the same [or less]! Why pay more?

Onkyo has an online store where they sell a full range of products at 
prices that are usually better than at local stores. Check there or 
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Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines

[b_s-wilk]

Where would you find a tape-based machine?  Goodwill?


We got ours at a Du Pont company surplus sale. Try eBay, craig's list? 
This is similar: http://snipurl.com/cn33l. I got one new in 1988, and 
after the cats knocked it down too many times, I got another one, used, 
and have been using for at least 10 years. I fixed the first one with 
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Re: [CGUYS] Stereo Receiver Tech Considerations

[John Settle]

Tom Piwowar wrote:

Aren't radio transmitters going to
digital transmission, the way TV is now?  Any incentive for them to it
later rather than sooner?



They call it "HD Radio"

  


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Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service

[Tom Piwowar]

>I just don't think it's realistic to base our lives around remote
>possibilities. 

I see you are from the Dick Cheney school of disaster planning, still 
waiting for the Iraquis to throw rose petals at us.

>But if you do, then you MUST go all the way and get an
>amateur radio license and maintain a working station with emergency

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Re: [CGUYS] Stereo Receiver Tech Considerations

[John Settle]

Snyder, Mark - IdM (IT) wrote:
 
Are we using HD and digital transmission (instead of analog) as same or

different things, in terms or radio/stereo receivers?  I liked my Denon,
too, but it is starting to fail...  Aren't radio transmitters going to
digital transmission, the way TV is now?  Any incentive for them to it
later rather than sooner?

Thank you,

Mark Snyder

  

Mark,

I do not believe there is a FCC mandate for Radio Broadcasters to switch 
as there is for TV Broadcasters.
The Hybrid Digital radio conversion is more voluntary in order to gain 
either higher fidelity or more variety of programming.


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Re: [CGUYS] Recovery [Boot] CD for Mac OS X Tiger

[Tom Piwowar]

>Can't Carbon Copy Cloner and some other backup software make bootable CD's

Not if the capacity of the CD is much smaller than the capacity of the 
DVD. Before Apple switched to DVDs they were shipping the OS on multiple 
CDs.

For making a minimal boot disk, there was a free utility called Das Boot, 
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Re: [CGUYS] Stereo Receiver Tech Considerations

[Tom Piwowar]

>Aren't radio transmitters going to
>digital transmission, the way TV is now?  Any incentive for them to it
>later rather than sooner?

They call it "HD Radio"


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Re: [CGUYS] Google Accused of Massive Coverup

[John Settle]

Tom Piwowar wrote:
It is interesting to see how other's see us: computer geeks possessing 
vast resources with unlimited possibilities. Is there anything beyond our 
capabilities?


The best discoveries we keep to ourselves...
http://www.pcworld.com/article/160011/google_sinks_atlantis_discovery_buzz.
html

  
If the nitwits would read their Plato,  they would know that Atlantis 
was CIRCULAR. The artifact is definitely rectilinear.
Oh, excuse me, if they actually read their Plato they'd see where he 
says that the story of Atlantis is fiction. Clever of

Google to edit that in thousands of years ago.


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Re: [CGUYS] GETPOST COMPUTERGUYS-L

[Jeffrey Myers]

The best way to get stations really clearly from far away is a
SqueezeboxBoom from Logitech.  Just hook it up to your network, which was
really easy for me (by no means a network expert), and you can get stations
from anywhere in the world.  I love mine so much I bought another for
another location in my house and am considering a third.  It will also play
all of your mp3 collection on your computer.  It also can get music services
like Pandora, etc., if you like any of those.

The built-in sound is very good for such a small device, but you can also
hook it up to your receiver through the headphone port, as you would an
ipod.  If you have more than one, they can play different sources at the
same time or can be easily syced to play the same music throughout your
house.

So, I would recommend that, as long as you're satisfied with the power
output of your audio receiver, just buy a SqueezeboxBoom and hook it up to
your current receiver.  It's certainly better than even a very good tuner in
a very good receiver.

Furthermore, they're half-price ($150) at many Circuit City stores rightt
now.

Jeff

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 2:47 PM,  wrote:

>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: "johnleehol...@gmail.com" 
> To:
> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 13:40:20 -0500
> Subject: Re: Stereo Receiver Tech Considerations
> I don't know if this helps but Crutchfield's catalog has a succinct guide.
>  You can request a hard copy from them but this seems to be the online
> version of it.
>
> http://www.crutchfield.com/Learn/learningcenter/home/receivers.html
>
> I haven't bought a receiver since the 90s and worry that the time may be
> coming when I need to look into this.  Like you, I don't really need all the
> other stuff; just would like it to receive stations from far away with good
> sound quality. :)
>
> Snyder, Mark - IdM (IT) wrote:
>
>>  Your message reflects a big part of my problem; It is just radio.
>> No DVD, no TV. I would like the money going into just radio reception
>> (analogue and digital audio), amplification and distribution to
>> speakers.  I don't really want to pay for home theater.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Mark Snyder
>> -Original Message-
>> you probably should make certain the machine has HDMI switching.  then
>> you can plug the dvd and the cable box into the back of the receiver  on
>> the way to the tv and switch.  a second feature that may not be
>> necessary is that the receiver can have the upscaling chip and
>> software(converting dvd from regular to 1080p).  the receiver usually
>> does a better job than the dvd player.
>>
>> the avs video forum has a thread on receivers
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[Snyder, Mark - IdM (IT)]

 
Are we using HD and digital transmission (instead of analog) as same or
different things, in terms or radio/stereo receivers?  I liked my Denon,
too, but it is starting to fail...  Aren't radio transmitters going to
digital transmission, the way TV is now?  Any incentive for them to it
later rather than sooner?

Thank you,

Mark Snyder

-Original Message-

>I haven't bought a receiver since the 90s and worry that the time may 
>be coming when I need to look into this.

Me too, but I have yet to find a radio that is as well made as the
20-year-old Yamaha I own. Yamaha still makes radios, but nothing like
what I have. Plus I would not buy a new radio that did not include HD
and Internet streaming. Put all those needs together and there is
nothing available.

I have read and spoken to owners who tell me that HD radios have poor
reception. Radios that stream tend to be odd and a bit expensive. Amd my
recent experiences with shopping for an MP3 player with speakers has got
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Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines

[db]

The thing that bothers me with the new DECT 6 answering machines is I 
could not find one that would support multiple voicemail box recordings.


They used to but new models seem to have dropped that ... good for 
families capability.


db

b_s-wilk wrote:
We're using an old Panasonic answering machine that uses regular audio 
tapes. The messages are clear to the end, as the line is filtered. Try 
a different answering machine. I'll probably switch to the built-in 
answering feature on our Panasonic DECT 6 base station when the old 
machine dies. Both machines can be accessed from remote phones.


I like tape machines better because they hold an hour's worth of 
messages. The digital one only holds about 15 minutes--not good when 
you go away for a week or more, but both are free, as opposed to many 
online voicemail services. Newer is not always better. Sometimes low 
tech trumps high tech.


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Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service

[Tony B]

That's true. But there are two things to consider.
1) POTS will go out too during emergencies, as it too is a trunked
system, relying on having only a few users on at a time.
2) On a day to day basis, how often do catastrophes happen? Last time
I remember the phones not working was on 9/11, but I had POTS back
then. I bet VOIP would have worked fine.

I just don't think it's realistic to base our lives around remote
possibilities. But if you do, then you MUST go all the way and get an
amateur radio license and maintain a working station with emergency
generators. Having a POTS line is a really false sense of security, at
a fairly high comparative price.


On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 2:28 PM, db  wrote:
> Remember that with VOIP if the power goes out... VOIP will tend to go out
> too while POTS tends to be the last comm. service standing.  And in times of
> regional crisis, cellular is typically out too.  For a period after the
> Seattle and LA earthquakes and 9/11 all cell circuits were busy. POTS has a
> dependability advantage not always factored  in when calculating the
> economics...
> For that purpose, I keep a stripped down POTS line as the way to stretch my
> cell minutes and to add dependability.


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Re: [CGUYS] Recovery [Boot] CD for Mac OS X Tiger

[Tom Piwowar]

Replace the CD-RW drive with a DVD drive. This should be a cheaper and 
easier task.

>The install disk is on a DVD, and was installed through a network. The 
>system is on an iMac that only has a CD-RW drive. The iMac was given to 
>me, and I gave it to my brother, but without recovery disks. I have a 
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Re: [CGUYS] Stereo Receiver Tech Considerations

[Tom Piwowar]

>I haven't bought a receiver since the 90s and worry that the time may be 
>coming when I need to look into this.

Me too, but I have yet to find a radio that is as well made as the 
20-year-old Yamaha I own. Yamaha still makes radios, but nothing like 
what I have. Plus I would not buy a new radio that did not include HD and 
Internet streaming. Put all those needs together and there is nothing 
available.

I have read and spoken to owners who tell me that HD radios have poor 
reception. Radios that stream tend to be odd and a bit expensive. Amd my 
recent experiences with shopping for an MP3 player with speakers has got 
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Re: [CGUYS] Recovery [Boot] CD for Mac OS X Tiger

[db]

Can't Carbon Copy Cloner and some other backup software make bootable CD's

db

b_s-wilk wrote:

How do you make a bootable CD for Mac OS X Tiger?

The install disk is on a DVD, and was installed through a network. The 
system is on an iMac that only has a CD-RW drive. The iMac was given 
to me, and I gave it to my brother, but without recovery disks. I have 
a Tiger installation DVD that I'm not using on my Mac since I bought 
an iMac with Leopard.


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[db]

Remember that with VOIP if the power goes out... VOIP will tend to go 
out too while POTS tends to be the last comm. service standing.  And in 
times of regional crisis, cellular is typically out too.  For a period 
after the Seattle and LA earthquakes and 9/11 all cell circuits were busy. 
POTS has a dependability advantage not always factored  in when 
calculating the economics...
For that purpose, I keep a stripped down POTS line as the way to stretch 
my cell minutes and to add dependability.


db.

Tony B wrote:

I don't see why not, especially since you may not be getting it from
the local phone company right now. I assumed you were, which was why
you were reluctant to give up the old landline. Anyway, a quick call
to your phone company/Earthlink should answer the question and supply
pricing info.

But again, now may be the time to consider alternatives. Specifically,
cable & satellite options. For myself, it was cheaper to drop DSL and
go with VOIP over cable (satellite has too much latency for my gaming
to be considered).


On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:02 AM, David Turk  wrote:
  

OK, here's something I've been wondering for awhile.

If I discontinue my home phone service, will I still be able to get DSL from my 
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Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service

[Tom Piwowar]

>One of my members has this (91 years young) and it is a god send if 
>she were to have something happen.  I am on her call list in case she 
>does not answer the monitors call back.

Cell phones can do that too. I recently bought a "big numbers" cell 
phone. It includes an emergency button that can be programmed to call 5 
numbers round-robbin until somebody answers and then it plays them a 
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Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service

[Tom Piwowar]

>If I discontinue my home phone service, will I still be able to get DSL 
>from my ISP (Earthlink in this case), since it comes in over the phone lines?

Yes but they will probably charge extra for it.

Around here the phone companies have started to offer basic service for 
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Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines

[John Duncan Yoyo]

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 1:01 PM, David Turk wrote:

> Betty,
>
> Where would you find a tape-based machine?  Goodwill?
>
>
I found three by googling analog answering machine.  This is the first sales
site that came up.


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Re: [CGUYS] Stereo Receiver Tech Considerations

[Tony B]

Would there be any reason in 2009 to consider a receiver that couldn't
pick up internet radio? I mean, talk about receiving far away stations
clearly...

http://www.crutchfield.com/g_200650/Streamers.html?tp=255


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Re: [CGUYS] Stereo Receiver Tech Considerations

[johnleehol...@gmail.com]

I don't know if this helps but Crutchfield's catalog has a succinct 
guide.  You can request a hard copy from them but this seems to be the 
online version of it.


http://www.crutchfield.com/Learn/learningcenter/home/receivers.html

I haven't bought a receiver since the 90s and worry that the time may be 
coming when I need to look into this.  Like you, I don't really need all 
the other stuff; just would like it to receive stations from far away 
with good sound quality. :)


Snyder, Mark - IdM (IT) wrote:

 Your message reflects a big part of my problem; It is just radio.
No DVD, no TV. I would like the money going into just radio reception
(analogue and digital audio), amplification and distribution to
speakers.  I don't really want to pay for home theater.

Thank you,

Mark Snyder
-Original Message-
you probably should make certain the machine has HDMI switching.  then
you can plug the dvd and the cable box into the back of the receiver  on
the way to the tv and switch.  a second feature that may not be
necessary is that the receiver can have the upscaling chip and
software(converting dvd from regular to 1080p).  the receiver usually
does a better job than the dvd player.

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Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines

[David Turk]

Betty,

Where would you find a tape-based machine?  Goodwill?

David Turk
Manager, Preservation Imaging Services
Indiana Historical Society
Eugene and Marilyn Glick Indiana History Center
450 W. Ohio St.
Indianapolis, IN  46202
(317) 232-4592
dt...@indianahistory.org
 

-Original Message-
From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On 
Behalf Of b_s-wilk
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 12:55 PM
To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Subject: Spam:Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines

We're using an old Panasonic answering machine that uses regular audio 
tapes. The messages are clear to the end, as the line is filtered. Try a 
different answering machine. I'll probably switch to the built-in 
answering feature on our Panasonic DECT 6 base station when the old 
machine dies. Both machines can be accessed from remote phones.

I like tape machines better because they hold an hour's worth of 
messages. The digital one only holds about 15 minutes--not good when you 
go away for a week or more, but both are free, as opposed to many online 
voicemail services. Newer is not always better. Sometimes low tech 
trumps high tech.

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Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines

[b_s-wilk]

We're using an old Panasonic answering machine that uses regular audio 
tapes. The messages are clear to the end, as the line is filtered. Try a 
different answering machine. I'll probably switch to the built-in 
answering feature on our Panasonic DECT 6 base station when the old 
machine dies. Both machines can be accessed from remote phones.


I like tape machines better because they hold an hour's worth of 
messages. The digital one only holds about 15 minutes--not good when you 
go away for a week or more, but both are free, as opposed to many online 
voicemail services. Newer is not always better. Sometimes low tech 
trumps high tech.


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[CGUYS] Recovery [Boot] CD for Mac OS X Tiger

[b_s-wilk]

How do you make a bootable CD for Mac OS X Tiger?

The install disk is on a DVD, and was installed through a network. The 
system is on an iMac that only has a CD-RW drive. The iMac was given to 
me, and I gave it to my brother, but without recovery disks. I have a 
Tiger installation DVD that I'm not using on my Mac since I bought an 
iMac with Leopard.


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Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

There are a variety of those services and some are marketed by the 
Burglar alarm folks.


(Help I have fallen and I can't get up.)

One of my members has this (91 years young) and it is a god send if 
she were to have something happen.  I am on her call list in case she 
does not answer the monitors call back.


Stewart


At 11:01 AM 2/25/2009, you wrote:

like 'Home Alone'?? not sure of the name.


Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
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Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service

[Judy Cosler]

like 'Home Alone'?? not sure of the name.

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Tony B  wrote:

> No, all the VOIP services offer 911 now. Only difference is you must
> keep it updated - if you move, or if you're traveling, you change it.
>
> I don't have a cell phone so I have no idea how 911 works on all those
> different networks.
>
> Of course, if you *expect* trouble, say in the case of an ailing
> elderly parent, you may want to go even a step further than a landline
> 911. There are services available for that, and I think they use
> satellite.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Judy Cosler  wrote:
> > don't you need/shouldn't you have a land line in case you need 911?
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Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines

[Michael S. Altus]

 David Turk wrote: 
In an effort to cut back on costs, we switched our home phone service to 
basic, unlimited calls-no voicemail, forwarding, call waiting, etc.  I dug an 
old 
digital answering machine out of the closet, but it had a ton of static on it. 
 I bought a small new one (& there was only one model available).  It seemed 
to work fine, but then the ends of the messages are completely garbled by 
static.  Took it back, went somewhere else, bought a different one.  Same 
thing.  
I have filters on all the phone lines, as we have DSL.  Could this be the 
problem, & how can I fix it?  tia.

You could try adding additional filters in series. Might help.

Michael

Michael S. Altus, PhD, ELS
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Biomedical Writing and Editing
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Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

E911 can be used from a Cell phone or the VOIP services.  (It is required)

There was just a stink down here in one of the municipalities that 
the Cell phone providers had not been giving them the info for E911 
system to work effectively.


But it should not matter if it is VOIP or land line they are all 
supposed to be E911 compliant.


Stewart


At 10:30 AM 2/25/2009, you wrote:

don't you need/shouldn't you have a land line in case you need 911?

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Tony B  wrote:

> I don't see why not, especially since you may not be getting it from
> the local phone company right now. I assumed you were, which was why
> you were reluctant to give up the old landline. Anyway, a quick call
> to your phone company/Earthlink should answer the question and supply
> pricing info.
>
> But again, now may be the time to consider alternatives. Specifically,
> cable & satellite options. For myself, it was cheaper to drop DSL and
> go with VOIP over cable (satellite has too much latency for my gaming
> to be considered).
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:02 AM, David Turk 
> wrote:
> > OK, here's something I've been wondering for awhile.
> >
> > If I discontinue my home phone service, will I still be able to get DSL
> from my ISP (Earthlink in this case), since it comes in over the phone
> lines?
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Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service

[Tony B]

No, all the VOIP services offer 911 now. Only difference is you must
keep it updated - if you move, or if you're traveling, you change it.

I don't have a cell phone so I have no idea how 911 works on all those
different networks.

Of course, if you *expect* trouble, say in the case of an ailing
elderly parent, you may want to go even a step further than a landline
911. There are services available for that, and I think they use
satellite.


On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Judy Cosler  wrote:
> don't you need/shouldn't you have a land line in case you need 911?


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[Judy Cosler]

don't you need/shouldn't you have a land line in case you need 911?

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Tony B  wrote:

> I don't see why not, especially since you may not be getting it from
> the local phone company right now. I assumed you were, which was why
> you were reluctant to give up the old landline. Anyway, a quick call
> to your phone company/Earthlink should answer the question and supply
> pricing info.
>
> But again, now may be the time to consider alternatives. Specifically,
> cable & satellite options. For myself, it was cheaper to drop DSL and
> go with VOIP over cable (satellite has too much latency for my gaming
> to be considered).
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:02 AM, David Turk 
> wrote:
> > OK, here's something I've been wondering for awhile.
> >
> > If I discontinue my home phone service, will I still be able to get DSL
> from my ISP (Earthlink in this case), since it comes in over the phone
> lines?
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Re: [CGUYS] firefox 3.0.6

[Tony B]

Is that a question? Have you tried simply renaming/deleting en-US.jar
(and the associated .manifest file)? Presumably it will be reinstalled
automatically.

You might first try updating Java - go to the Java test page and look
around. http://java.com/en/download/installed.jsp


On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 10:56 AM, gerald  wrote:
> jar:file:///C:/Program%20Files/Mozilla%20Firefox/chrome/en-US.jar!/locale/browser-region/region.propertiesrds.yahoo.com
>
> i get this love note a lot.  did not get it a few months back.  i also loaded 
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>
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Re: [CGUYS] Stereo Receiver Tech Considerations

[Snyder, Mark - IdM (IT)]

 Your message reflects a big part of my problem; It is just radio.
No DVD, no TV. I would like the money going into just radio reception
(analogue and digital audio), amplification and distribution to
speakers.  I don't really want to pay for home theater.

Thank you,

Mark Snyder
-Original Message-
you probably should make certain the machine has HDMI switching.  then
you can plug the dvd and the cable box into the back of the receiver  on
the way to the tv and switch.  a second feature that may not be
necessary is that the receiver can have the upscaling chip and
software(converting dvd from regular to 1080p).  the receiver usually
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[Tony B]

I don't see why not, especially since you may not be getting it from
the local phone company right now. I assumed you were, which was why
you were reluctant to give up the old landline. Anyway, a quick call
to your phone company/Earthlink should answer the question and supply
pricing info.

But again, now may be the time to consider alternatives. Specifically,
cable & satellite options. For myself, it was cheaper to drop DSL and
go with VOIP over cable (satellite has too much latency for my gaming
to be considered).


On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:02 AM, David Turk  wrote:
> OK, here's something I've been wondering for awhile.
>
> If I discontinue my home phone service, will I still be able to get DSL from 
> my ISP (Earthlink in this case), since it comes in over the phone lines?


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Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

It depends.

My daughter and S-I-L recently installed DSL and have no land line phone.

Local Phone company is pushing their DSL service even if you desire 
no landline phone.


Got a great introductory rate, 19.95 per month for 1.5 service.

Stewart


At 10:02 AM 2/25/2009, you wrote:

OK, here's something I've been wondering for awhile.

If I discontinue my home phone service, will I still be able to get 
DSL from my ISP (Earthlink in this case), since it comes in over the 
phone lines?


  david

David Turk
Manager, Preservation Imaging Services
Indiana Historical Society
Eugene and Marilyn Glick Indiana History Center
450 W. Ohio St.
Indianapolis, IN  46202
(317) 232-4592
dt...@indianahistory.org


-Original Message-
From: Computer Guys Discussion List 
[mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of Tony B

Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:52 AM
To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Subject: Spam:Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines

I think, in 2009, you may be going at the problem the wrong way. As
you've discovered, answering machines went out way back in the 90s.
Really, you've got to start thinking outside the old phone company
box. Assuming you don't already have good cell reception at home, even
Vonage's basic service would likely be a fraction of the cost and
would include voice mail.
http://www.vonage.com/
http://voipo.com/
http://www.magicjack.com/


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Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net
Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org
Ozark, AL  SL 82


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Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines/DSL & phone service

[David Turk]

OK, here's something I've been wondering for awhile.

If I discontinue my home phone service, will I still be able to get DSL from my 
ISP (Earthlink in this case), since it comes in over the phone lines?

  david

David Turk
Manager, Preservation Imaging Services
Indiana Historical Society
Eugene and Marilyn Glick Indiana History Center
450 W. Ohio St.
Indianapolis, IN  46202
(317) 232-4592
dt...@indianahistory.org
 

-Original Message-
From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On 
Behalf Of Tony B
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:52 AM
To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Subject: Spam:Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines

I think, in 2009, you may be going at the problem the wrong way. As
you've discovered, answering machines went out way back in the 90s.
Really, you've got to start thinking outside the old phone company
box. Assuming you don't already have good cell reception at home, even
Vonage's basic service would likely be a fraction of the cost and
would include voice mail.
http://www.vonage.com/
http://voipo.com/
http://www.magicjack.com/


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[CGUYS] firefox 3.0.6

[gerald]

jar:file:///C:/Program%20Files/Mozilla%20Firefox/chrome/en-US.jar!/locale/browser-region/region.propertiesrds.yahoo.com

i get this love note a lot.  did not get it a few months back.  i also loaded 
foxit at about the same time.

any new page seems to take a while thinking about it before it loads.  the 
machine is pretty big, and pretty clean. 


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Re: [CGUYS] DSL & answering machines

[Tony B]

I think, in 2009, you may be going at the problem the wrong way. As
you've discovered, answering machines went out way back in the 90s.
Really, you've got to start thinking outside the old phone company
box. Assuming you don't already have good cell reception at home, even
Vonage's basic service would likely be a fraction of the cost and
would include voice mail.
http://www.vonage.com/
http://voipo.com/
http://www.magicjack.com/


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Re: [CGUYS] Stereo Receiver Tech Considerations

[gerald]

you probably should make certain the machine has HDMI switching.  then you can 
plug the dvd and the cable box into the back of the receiver  on the way to the 
tv and switch.  a second feature that may not be necessary is that the receiver 
can have the upscaling chip and software(converting dvd from regular to 1080p). 
 the receiver usually does a better job than the dvd player.

the avs video forum has a thread on receivers

At 08:00 AM 2/25/2009, you wrote:
>I bought my last stereo receiver, a nice one from Denon, in the late
>1980's and it is time to replace it now.  With TV going digital and all
>the other technology changes, what should I be looking for, especially
>if I'd like to get about 20 years from the new one?  Where are good
>place to look at reviews and pricing?
>
>Thank you,
>
>Mark Snyder
>
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