[CGUYS] Norton revisited
Multiple recent reviews are giving Norton Internet Security 2009 top ratings, so I thought I'd make sure the list was aware of this. None of us has particularly liked Norton for several years now, but apparently they've gotten this newest one right. So, the next time someone mentions Norton, there's no reason to pile on with reasons why they should avoid it. We've still got a year on a 10 seat Kaspersky subscription, so I won't be trying it anytime soon myself. http://www.pcworld.com/article/158157/top_internet_security_suites_paying_for_protection.html * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Stereo Receiver Tech Considerations--different radio service options
so. does this mean that Internet radio is superior? or not? On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: Sure, Internet radio uses your broadband connection to get a radio signal sent over broadband (really a streaming audio link) to get your audio fix. Put in the URL and you get radio. I listen to some really nice NPR stuff via broadband. XMS.Sirrus is a subscriber satellite link that you get from the radio waves via a special receiver that allows you to listen via a subscription service. (so airwave) Radio via Cable provider is a normal radio signal or special audio channels that get broadcast via RF, not broadband. I used to listen to some of this when I lived in the far north (Great White North) and the only local option was pretty poor. (actually got some great audio from Ottawa) They are all different ways to give us audio signals with some work. By the way Internet Audio now has a formula on how they will pay off the RIAA for music braodcast via Internet radio. Stewart At 03:16 PM 2/25/2009, you wrote: Tony mentions internet radio. can anybody tell me the differences between internet radio, XMS, what you get with your TV cable provider, and others that I can't think of right now??? Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Stereo Receiver Tech Considerations--different radio service options
Superior to what? It all depends on what you want and what you are looking for. You did not put in HD radio in there. They are all good in whatever way they are. Satellite radio is great for travel, where broadband radio would be near impossible. For remote areas Cable radio might be a help. It all depends on what you are looking for and need. I like to listen to Nascar races when I travel on a weekend. I would need Satellite radio for that. If I want to listen to BBC, I could use the HD radio as my local NPR station broadcasts that on one of their HD Channels or I can use the Internet. So it finally comes to what do you need and want to determine what is good for you. Stewart At 07:05 AM 2/26/2009, you wrote: so. does this mean that Internet radio is superior? or not? On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: Sure, Internet radio uses your broadband connection to get a radio signal sent over broadband (really a streaming audio link) to get your audio fix. Put in the URL and you get radio. I listen to some really nice NPR stuff via broadband. XMS.Sirrus is a subscriber satellite link that you get from the radio waves via a special receiver that allows you to listen via a subscription service. (so airwave) Radio via Cable provider is a normal radio signal or special audio channels that get broadcast via RF, not broadband. I used to listen to some of this when I lived in the far north (Great White North) and the only local option was pretty poor. (actually got some great audio from Ottawa) They are all different ways to give us audio signals with some work. By the way Internet Audio now has a formula on how they will pay off the RIAA for music braodcast via Internet radio. Stewart At 03:16 PM 2/25/2009, you wrote: Tony mentions internet radio. can anybody tell me the differences between internet radio, XMS, what you get with your TV cable provider, and others that I can't think of right now??? Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Stereo Receiver Tech Considerations--different radio service options
Buy a radio capable of receiving HD broadcasts. Should set you back about 100. Check out some of the NPR sites. I know our local one, does and here is the national web site. http://shop.npr.org/index.php Stewart At 08:15 AM 2/26/2009, you wrote: yes, I knew I was forgetting something..HD radio. how do I get that? Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Stereo Receiver Tech Considerations--different radio service options
Quoting Judy Cosler jfcos...@gmail.com: so. does this mean that Internet radio is superior? or not? Internet radio is really just another choice. I don't think it's quite CD quality, but it suits my purposes. I guess the internet's biggest advantage is that it's world-wide. You can listen in to almost anything. And besides. No one says you can't have multiple sources. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Norton revisited
My instinct in reading the article is that it's pay for play journalism. It doesn't contain a lot of specs/ test reports, details etc and the best rated security suite of recent years... Zone Alarm Security Suite ... isn't even tested or mentioned and the big corporate solutions are all at or near the top... which hasn't been the case for quite some time ... until now. And it's not going to erase my bad feelings for the years of problems I have had removing Norton's viralware from computers.Leopards don't change their spots overnight...and I doubt their code is a top to bottom rewrite Maybe the article should be: Top Internet Security Suites: Paying for Ratings... db Tony B wrote: Multiple recent reviews are giving Norton Internet Security 2009 top ratings, so I thought I'd make sure the list was aware of this. None of us has particularly liked Norton for several years now, but apparently they've gotten this newest one right. So, the next time someone mentions Norton, there's no reason to pile on with reasons why they should avoid it. We've still got a year on a 10 seat Kaspersky subscription, so I won't be trying it anytime soon myself. http://www.pcworld.com/article/158157/top_internet_security_suites_paying_for_protection.html * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Norton revisited
In Norton's defense, they have been getting better reviews the last few years. The best way to really check is search for other reviews of the same products. Perhaps this review is geared more towards corporate solutions then home users...I think that is evident with the lack of AVG or Avast etc. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 7:36 AM, db db...@att.net wrote: My instinct in reading the article is that it's pay for play journalism. It doesn't contain a lot of specs/ test reports, details etc and the best rated security suite of recent years... Zone Alarm Security Suite ... isn't even tested or mentioned and the big corporate solutions are all at or near the top... which hasn't been the case for quite some time ... until now. And it's not going to erase my bad feelings for the years of problems I have had removing Norton's viralware from computers.Leopards don't change their spots overnight...and I doubt their code is a top to bottom rewrite Maybe the article should be: Top Internet Security Suites: Paying for Ratings... db Tony B wrote: Multiple recent reviews are giving Norton Internet Security 2009 top ratings, so I thought I'd make sure the list was aware of this. None of us has particularly liked Norton for several years now, but apparently they've gotten this newest one right. So, the next time someone mentions Norton, there's no reason to pile on with reasons why they should avoid it. We've still got a year on a 10 seat Kaspersky subscription, so I won't be trying it anytime soon myself. http://www.pcworld.com/article/158157/top_internet_security_suites_paying_for_protection.html * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Stereo Receiver Tech Considerations--different radio service options
Quoting Judy Cosler jfcos...@gmail.com: yes, I knew I was forgetting something..HD radio. how do I get that? Just buy an HD receiver. Assuming that you have stations broadcasting HD around you. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Stereo Receiver Tech Considerations--different radio service options
Before buying an HD receiver, you'll first want to see what is available in your local area. Here's a FAQ http://www.hdradio.com/faq.php I found that includes a link to a list of stations. Many stations that have HD feeds will promote what they have with on-air announcements. For example, WAMU in the DC area has a bluegrass channel. YMMV http://www.hdradio.com/faq.php yes, I knew I was forgetting something..HD radio. how do I get that? --- Estne volumen in toga, an solum tibi libet me videre? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] verizon email problem
So for you, it's GMail/Yahoo, import your Verizon email, and never go to their site except to pay the bill. And remember that it's verizon.com to pay your bill, and verizon.net for your email account... a small point, perhaps, but one that can confuse first-time subscribers. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Stereo Receiver Tech Considerations
Jeff Wright wrote: I just bought a Teac HD Radio/iPod docking system at Costco for $99. Amazon calls it a clock radio, and I suppose it could be considered one, but I wouldn't use it as one. Jeff, What was the model number/name? For grins, I currently use the $500 Bose Wave as a clock radio. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Safari 4 Beta
(not that it was needed, ahem, but more confirmation from Zdnet today) http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-272792.html?tag=nl.e539 Tom Piwowar wrote: Reported to be 30 times faster than IE 7 with a perfect Acid3 score. http://www.macworld.com/article/139022/2009/02/safari4firstlook.html?t=232 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Safari 4 Beta
(not that it was needed, ahem, but more confirmation from Zdnet today) Some reviews say it is only 7 times faster. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Norton revisited
Thanks for the heads up. Looks like a major rewrite, which it very much needed. Hopefully it is no longer junk. In any event this means we should hold our tongues for the moment. I would not rely on initial reviews, which generally focus on new features and whatever the vendor provided in the review package. Early reviews are almost always are positive (viz. Vista). Give it a few months and check reviews again. Multiple recent reviews are giving Norton Internet Security 2009 top ratings, so I thought I'd make sure the list was aware of this. None of us has particularly liked Norton for several years now, but apparently they've gotten this newest one right. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Stereo Receiver Tech Considerations--different radio service options
Some HD radio stations have online streams. WAMU.org lists two, WNYC.org lists one. Since I don't have an HD radio, I can't say how the web stream compares to the sound quality on an HD radio, but it's OK. Ilisten to most radio programs online. Buy a radio capable of receiving HD broadcasts. Should set you back about 100. Check out some of the NPR sites. I know our local one, does and here is the national web site. http://shop.npr.org/index.php Stewart * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Safari 4 Beta
I like the new safari...no more horrible skinning...tabs across the titlebar keeps more screen for the page. I don't really notice a speed difference but I don't doubt it, but until I can use some of my extensions or at least it has support for search plug ins, I won't be leaving FF anytime soon. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: (not that it was needed, ahem, but more confirmation from Zdnet today) Some reviews say it is only 7 times faster. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DSL answering machines/DSL phone service
Eric S. Sande esa...@erols.com escribió: I don't understand why Verizon has chosen to go with only FIOS. I think I tried to explain this at some point. I'll try it again. We get a greater rate of return from an all optical network, frankly. Yes it costs more to deploy and not everyone will choose to take it. That is called take rate. We obviously want a high take rate. Yes, the rate of return may be better for FIOS deployment in metropolitan areas, but in less populated areas, we may never see fiber installed. That's where incentives are needed. I know you're conservative, but do you object to tax incentives and subsidies to bring the US up to speed with other developed countries so we can compete educationally and industrially? Which are the other technologies that can provide competitive speeds [20-50Mbps] and are financially viable? Microwave? WiFi? FIOS may be your choice, but it's not going to happen around here for a long time, if ever, and I have no plans to move to DC in the near future. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Norton revisited
I got Norton 2009 Internet Security for my relatives' two machines and put the extra copy on one of mine that I use infrequently so I would have something to help troubleshoot with when he had problems. Since installation he's had no problems which is great compared to the problems he had as an inexperienced user of AVG AntiVirus and ZoneAlarm, which had trouble playing nice with each other toward the end. To my surprise, the new Norton is extremely unobtrusive in its bootup times and operation. It has very little user tweaks and interaction, and seems to just do whatever it does transparently. The only glitch I've seen is one day it was unable to update after being off for a couple of weeks, and it popped up a message telling me so and that I should try to update again after waiting 24 hours. Don't know if this was a bug or SOP but it does seem ridiculous. At this point I would highly recommend this version to someone that had trouble or didn't want to be bothered with keeping the individual protection programs up to date and compatible. For myself, I still like knowing what's going on behind the scenes so I'll stick with what I'm currently using. I'd be more interested in the ZoneAlarm Extreme Security suite, if it ever gets reviewed and tested. Richard P. Thanks for the heads up. Looks like a major rewrite, which it very much needed. Hopefully it is no longer junk. Multiple recent reviews are giving Norton Internet Security 2009 top ratings, so I thought I'd make sure the list was aware of this. None of us has particularly liked Norton for several years now, but apparently they've gotten this newest one right. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DSL answering machines/DSL phone service
Actually, the incentives for the telephone company to replace copper pairs with fiber throughout their service area (urban or rural) are there - the outside copper plant is aging rapidly and becoming an expensive nightmare to maintain. I suspect the maintenance cost per cable mile of copper is significantly higher than that of fiber. I have been away from the telecom business for a number of years, but I suspect that the point is rapidly approaching where conversion to fiber isn't an option, it is a necessity. The other problem for the telcos is that the number of customers for POTS service is decreasing daily, which makes the cable maintenance cost per customer that much higher - and the rates the telcos charge are regulated and based on very basic cost per customer numbers. At one time, terminating customer fiber was a complex and expensive chore, but advances in the hardware have made working with fiber not much more complex than with copper. And fiber has the potential capability far beyond that of either copper pairs or coaxial cable. One other feature of fiber is that it is almost impossible to illegally tap into a customer's data stream, something unique to that media. Copper, co-ax, and radio, on the other hand are ridiculously easy to tap. Mike b_s-wilk wrote: Eric S. Sande esa...@erols.com escribió: I don't understand why Verizon has chosen to go with only FIOS. I think I tried to explain this at some point. I'll try it again. We get a greater rate of return from an all optical network, frankly. Yes it costs more to deploy and not everyone will choose to take it. That is called take rate. We obviously want a high take rate. Yes, the rate of return may be better for FIOS deployment in metropolitan areas, but in less populated areas, we may never see fiber installed. That's where incentives are needed. I know you're conservative, but do you object to tax incentives and subsidies to bring the US up to speed with other developed countries so we can compete educationally and industrially? Which are the other technologies that can provide competitive speeds [20-50Mbps] and are financially viable? Microwave? WiFi? FIOS may be your choice, but it's not going to happen around here for a long time, if ever, and I have no plans to move to DC in the near future. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DSL answering machines/DSL phone service
Actually, the incentives for the telephone company to replace copper pairs with fiber throughout their service area (urban or rural) are there - the outside copper plant is aging rapidly and becoming an expensive nightmare to maintain. I suspect the maintenance cost per cable mile of copper is significantly higher than that of fiber. I have been away from the telecom business for a number of years, but I suspect that the point is rapidly approaching where conversion to fiber isn't an option, it is a necessity. The other problem for the telcos is that the number of customers for POTS service is decreasing daily, which makes the cable maintenance cost per customer that much higher - and the rates the telcos charge are regulated and based on very basic cost per customer numbers. Are there third party solar battery backups for FIOS? The backup battery included in the installation is lame--only lasts a few hours, instead of a few days. I'd hate to be in any of the areas that had ice storms this winter and lost their power for a week. Solar PV panels work on cloudy days, even with ice on them; they obviously don't work in the dark. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Stereo Receiver Tech Considerations
Jeff, What was the model number/name? For grins, I currently use the $500 Bose Wave as a clock radio. HD-1. I'm on the bleeding edge, baby! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DSL answering machines/DSL phone service
Let's be realistic. If you have no power for a week, you're not going to stay there. I mean, no phone is minor compared to the hassles of no refrigerator, hot water, no heat, etc. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 1:46 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Are there third party solar battery backups for FIOS? The backup battery included in the installation is lame--only lasts a few hours, instead of a few days. I'd hate to be in any of the areas that had ice storms this winter and lost their power for a week. Solar PV panels work on cloudy days, even with ice on them; they obviously don't work in the dark. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Norton revisited
To my surprise, the new Norton is extremely unobtrusive in its bootup times and operation. It has very little user tweaks and interaction, and seems to just do whatever it does transparently. The only glitch I've seen is one day it was unable to update after being off for a couple of weeks, and it popped up a message telling me so and that I should try to update again after waiting 24 hours. Don't know if this was a bug or SOP but it does seem ridiculous. At this point I would highly recommend this version to someone that had trouble or didn't want to be bothered with keeping the individual protection programs up to date and compatible. Let's see how it goes when the subscription expires or you try to uninstall it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DSL answering machines/DSL phone service
Are there third party solar battery backups for FIOS? The backup battery included in the installation is lame--only lasts a few hours, instead of a few days. I'd hate to be in any of the areas that had ice storms this winter and lost their power for a week. Solar PV panels work on cloudy days, even with ice on them; they obviously don't work in the dark. Just plug in the inside router (for lack of a better term) that has the battery in it into an external battery. That's my plan if the power goes out for longer than 8 hours. Of course, with ice storms, that may not do you any good if lines are down. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DSL answering machines/DSL phone service
we have fibre up our private street serving 11 homes but I don't think verizon owns it (some rumor it may be owned by a sub of Google) ...I hate this and feel this is where the government has a role in seeing to it the comm link is at a certain min level of service for all ...the downtrodden county seat with high percentage of pub assistance and illegal farm workers gets FIOS ...we, who pay tax to small gov entity outside city limits, don't ...what makes sense there other than the fact we pay our own bills? -Original Message- From: Mike Sloane [mailto:mikeslo...@verizon.net] Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:04 AM To: rleesimon Subject: Re: DSL answering machines/DSL phone service The Verizon technician told me that the deal with the state is: when they convert a central office to FIOS, they have to offer it to anyone in the area who is covered by that office. In other words, if you are in the area served by the 678 CO, whether you are next door to the building or 10 miles away, they have to offer you the service. In my case, I really am 10 miles away and in one of only a handful of houses on a 2 mile private road, but (according to him) when the office is converted, they will have to run fiber out. It is just as well, because the old fashioned copper cables are very expensive to install and maintain, and in the end fiber is a LOT cheaper than copper. Mike rleesimon wrote: They just got fios to the county seat ...in a good wind I can spit into that jurisdiction ...however, we do NOT get FIOS and they say no breath holding is advised ...I am with comcast now which gives me net at dsl speed and free tv basic for a year ...I have never been a comcast customer before ...so far it works. My sis got FIOS triple in NY area and has had trouble once and they came out and fixed it quickly...her fone has backup for 7 hours I think she said ...they installed that at the interface. I think the arrival of FIOS will either be good4me or it may make comcast cable give better retention deals ...hopefully it will happen before the free year is up! ...bob -Original Message- From: Mike Sloane [mailto:mikeslo...@verizon.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 5:22 PM Subject: Re: DSL answering machines/DSL phone service I agree with the concept of what you wrote, but when I lose power, the DSL service AND the voice line goes out about 15 minutes later (I have a backup generator that keeps my house power up). It seems that I am served by a local repeater that has its own battery backup - one that is supposed to stay up for 8 hours but only lasts about 15 minutes. So much for good old Telco staying up when the power goes out. Still, considering the years I spent with no cable service and only dial-up, I am not complaining. Supposedly, FIOS is coming to our area, but I am not holding my breath. Mike * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DSL answering machines/DSL phone service
Down here a lot of folks opt for the whole house power generator backup. Natural Gas (which floes pretty much nom matter) powered generators. Stewart At 12:55 PM 2/26/2009, you wrote: Let's be realistic. If you have no power for a week, you're not going to stay there. I mean, no phone is minor compared to the hassles of no refrigerator, hot water, no heat, etc. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DSL answering machines/DSL phone service
Actually after the last major storm which knocked out power for several days during the winter, I installed passive gas heaters as backup systems which don't require electricity to operate. That coupled with a gas water heater and stove, along with municipality supplied water, we can make do pretty well. As a bonus, the gas fireplace is 80% efficient which makes it comparable with the furnace system. So all that coupled with a working POTS made life pretty bearable without power. It's nice having alternate systems to depend on. It was certainly better than trying to find an overbooked motel which was crowded with stranded homeowners. Richard P. Let's be realistic. If you have no power for a week, you're not going to stsupplied ay there. I mean, no phone is minor compared to the hassles of no refrigerator, hot water, no heat, etc. Are there third party solar battery backups for FIOS? The backup battery included in the installation is lame--only lasts a few hours, instead of a few days. I'd hate to be in any of the areas that had ice storms this winter and lost their power for a week. Solar PV panels work on cloudy days, even with ice on them; they obviously don't work in the dark. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Norton revisited
Good point. I'm sure I'll have to jump through hoops to get rid of it. I'll let you know how it goes. Richard P. To my surprise, the new Norton is extremely unobtrusive in its bootup times and operation. snip Let's see how it goes when the subscription expires or you try to uninstall it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DSL answering machines/DSL phone service
Our neighbor has that natural gas whole house generator system which was installed by the power company and works pretty well. I'm still trying to figure out how many amps I'll lose by running a 1000-foot extension cord to his house :) Richard P. Down here a lot of folks opt for the whole house power generator backup. Natural Gas (which floes pretty much nom matter) powered generators. Stewart At 12:55 PM 2/26/2009, you wrote: Let's be realistic. If you have no power for a week, you're not going to stay there. I mean, no phone is minor compared to the hassles of no refrigerator, hot water, no heat, etc. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DSL answering machines/DSL phone service
I lived pretty rurally in Northern Wisconsin a decade ago, and they were running a fiber optic cable from east to west along the highway out in front of our house. I was told at the time that Williams was laying the fiber optic as part of a backbone. Now all we had was dial up and a crummy cable system so I was very interested in what was happening. The truth is there are Fiber Optic cable all over the place, but they may be different levels. What is very close to you may be a backbone and not transmitting the stuff you need. Stewart At 01:14 PM 2/26/2009, you wrote: we have fibre up our private street serving 11 homes but I don't think verizon owns it (some rumor it may be owned by a sub of Google) ...I hate this and feel this is where the government has a role in seeing to it the comm link is at a certain min level of service for all ...the downtrodden county seat with high percentage of pub assistance and illegal farm workers gets FIOS ...we, who pay tax to small gov entity outside city limits, don't ...what makes sense there other than the fact we pay our own bills? Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Norton revisited
Have to say that so far I am actually very impressed, and I had a big anti-Norton bias to get back over. I find the company's MO is to start with a great product (often obtained by buying another company) and then milking it for cash while investing zilch. I wonder what the reviews will be for NIS 2012? Do you think they have seen the error of their ways? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DSL answering machines/DSL phone service
Let's be more 21st century realistic. I live in a solar house. One year when the outside temp went down to -12F, it was in the 60s indoors, upper 70s in the greenhouse. It's usually in the mid 60s-70s during the winter. On cloudy days, we have propane heat. The coldest it's ever been is 48F after we were away for 2 weeks in the middle of winter with the water heater turned off, just 2 cats to warm the house--pipes will never freeze. Normal winter temp without the propane heaters is 56-68F. Now, are there third party solar backups for FIOS? Or DC powered backups coupled with generators? Let's be realistic. If you have no power for a week, you're not going to stay there. I mean, no phone is minor compared to the hassles of no refrigerator, hot water, no heat, etc. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 1:46 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Are there third party solar battery backups for FIOS? The backup battery included in the installation is lame--only lasts a few hours, instead of a few days. I'd hate to be in any of the areas that had ice storms this winter and lost their power for a week. Solar PV panels work on cloudy days, even with ice on them; they obviously don't work in the dark. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] MS Sues TomTom for Using Linux
Apparently MS thinks Linux belongs to them too. http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2009/02/does_microsofts_1 .html * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] passive gas heaters [Was: DSL answering machines/DSL...]
passive gas heaters Tell us more. I Googled the term and got just 1 hit (in French). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] passive gas heaters [Was: DSL answering machines/DSL...]
Heh. That *is* an odd phraseology - sounds like a medical device. :) http://www.fireplacesandwoodstoves.com/indoor-fireplaces/propane-fireplaces.aspx Gas heaters generally take either propane or natural gas, and require no electricity to heat. Some units have a fan, but it's not really necessary. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: passive gas heaters Tell us more. I Googled the term and got just 1 hit (in French). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DSL answering machines/DSL phone service
With big outages, catastrophes... the point is often you can't go elsewhere because of the conditions or because there is nowhere to go because everyone else is trying to do the same. A bit of self-sufficiency is a good thing for all me thinks. Did you see the special coverage recently re: Fargo ND? Because of their well known culturally independent ways, as a business community they didn't buy into the economic habits/ trends of the last few years that everyone else was stampeding towards, so their banks are flush and solid now and their economy and businesses booming w. unemployment at 3%. Depending on one all-in-one mega communication technologies for your everything can likewise make you vulnerable. db Tony B wrote: Let's be realistic. If you have no power for a week, you're not going to stay there. I mean, no phone is minor compared to the hassles of no refrigerator, hot water, no heat, etc. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 1:46 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Are there third party solar battery backups for FIOS? The backup battery included in the installation is lame--only lasts a few hours, instead of a few days. I'd hate to be in any of the areas that had ice storms this winter and lost their power for a week. Solar PV panels work on cloudy days, even with ice on them; they obviously don't work in the dark. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MS Sues TomTom for Using Linux
Apparently MS thinks Linux belongs to them too. http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2009/02/does_microsof ts_1.html Regardless of the merit of the suit, MS Sues TomTom for Using Linux is a thoroughly misleading description of it, based on your link. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] passive gas heaters [Was: DSL answering machines/DSL...]
Depends on what they use to ignite the gas and to control it. In the old days it was lit with a match... more recently, like your electrically ignited gas stoves, it is often electricity... but unlike gas stove, heaters have thermocouples which may require electricity ... and sometimes a thermostat can powered by electricity also... Probably not so much with small portable devices but certainly can be an issue with bigger systems. db Tony B wrote: Heh. That *is* an odd phraseology - sounds like a medical device. :) http://www.fireplacesandwoodstoves.com/indoor-fireplaces/propane-fireplaces.aspx Gas heaters generally take either propane or natural gas, and require no electricity to heat. Some units have a fan, but it's not really necessary. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: passive gas heaters Tell us more. I Googled the term and got just 1 hit (in French). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] passive gas heaters [Was: DSL answering machines/DSL...]
Let's not confuse the issue. Gas heaters use pilot lights, and the thermocouple in the flame generates enough micro voltage to run the thermostat. Again, an outside source of electricity would only be required to run any fans. But the units will heat a house with no electricity at all. Or, if you want to expand the discussion, electricity is needed to run the feed on pellet stoves. Battery backup required. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 5:24 PM, db db...@att.net wrote: Depends on what they use to ignite the gas and to control it. In the old days it was lit with a match... more recently, like your electrically ignited gas stoves, it is often electricity... but unlike gas stove, heaters have thermocouples which may require electricity ... and sometimes a thermostat can powered by electricity also... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] passive gas heaters [Was: DSL answering machines/
Depends on what they use to ignite the gas and to control it. Could it use a catalytic process that does not require an igniter? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MS Sues TomTom for Using Linux
Regardless of the merit of the suit, MS Sues TomTom for Using Linux is a thoroughly misleading description of it, based on your link. The story uses the phrase implementation of Linux I wrote using Linux. Yes, I was definitely misleading. Probably criminally. Now ignoring the story and making strange semantic arguments, that's not misleading at all. That is double plus good. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MS Sues TomTom for Using Linux
They seem to be claiming that 8.3 file names belong to them. I guess they never used CPM. Maybe they can sue CPM developers for using their patent before they thought of it? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] passive gas heaters [Was: DSL answering machines/DSL...]
Not anymore. Many of them have gone to a pilotless ignition system. (Including gas stoves) You need electricity to run the fan, and also the thermostat. Unless you are talking about gas space heaters. Stewart At 04:43 PM 2/26/2009, you wrote: Let's not confuse the issue. Gas heaters use pilot lights, and the thermocouple in the flame generates enough micro voltage to run the thermostat. Again, an outside source of electricity would only be required to run any fans. But the units will heat a house with no electricity at all. Or, if you want to expand the discussion, electricity is needed to run the feed on pellet stoves. Battery backup required. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 5:24 PM, db db...@att.net wrote: Depends on what they use to ignite the gas and to control it. In the old days it was lit with a match... more recently, like your electrically ignited gas stoves, it is often electricity... but unlike gas stove, heaters have thermocouples which may require electricity ... and sometimes a thermostat can powered by electricity also... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] passive gas heaters [Was: DSL answering machines/DSL...]
The point I was trying to make is while the models you speak of require no electricity, people should be aware there are some which do. and for more than the fan. db. Richard P. wrote: The term is one I heard to indicate an ability to have a gas heater be able to run without an outside source of electricity. Don't know if the terminology is accurate. Lopi gas stoves makes a great one: http://www.lopistoves.com/product_guide/gas_stoves.aspx The pilot light is lit by an onboard sparking device and then is kept open by an electric-generating thermocouple. While there is a blower fan to help distribute the heat, it isn't necessary to produce keep the fire on. They are very efficient because they only burn outside air so none of the inside room air is lost through a chimney. The added bonus is that these models actually look like a wood fire burning due to some very creative rockwool placements. Richard P. passive gas heaters Tell us more. I Googled the term and got just 1 hit (in French). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MS Sues TomTom for Using Linux
Well it says MS has the patents on them...so then the answer would be yes. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: They seem to be claiming that 8.3 file names belong to them. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MS Sues TomTom for Using Linux
Unix and Xenix also used the 8.3 naming convention. So Unix is using their technology? Stewart At 05:32 PM 2/26/2009, you wrote: Well it says MS has the patents on them...so then the answer would be yes. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: They seem to be claiming that 8.3 file names belong to them. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MS Sues TomTom for Using Linux
Not just CPM I think every OS used a 8.3 naming system for a long time. If I remember rightly my Commodore used it. Stewart At 06:25 PM 2/26/2009, you wrote: Well it says MS has the patents on them...so then the answer would be yes. I guess you never used CPM either. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MS Sues TomTom for Using Linux
Now I got it...the point is that MS doesn't have patents on it and the article was mistaken? You should probably email the writer of the article and let him know MS does not have these patents and to fix his article. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Well it says MS has the patents on them...so then the answer would be yes. I guess you never used CPM either. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Norton revisited
OK, I using AGV free. What reason should I switch to Norton? Tom Piwowar wrote: Have to say that so far I am actually very impressed, and I had a big anti-Norton bias to get back over. I find the company's MO is to start with a great product (often obtained by buying another company) and then milking it for cash while investing zilch. I wonder what the reviews will be for NIS 2012? Do you think they have seen the error of their ways? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MS Sues TomTom for Using Linux
Unix and Xenix also used the 8.3 naming convention. So Unix is using their technology? You are missing the implications of their patent on time travel. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MS Sues TomTom for Using Linux
So they have a patent on the Flux Capacitor also? Stewart At 06:55 PM 2/26/2009, you wrote: Unix and Xenix also used the 8.3 naming convention. So Unix is using their technology? You are missing the implications of their patent on time travel. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MS Sues TomTom for Using Linux
That's why Doc Brown was so broke. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: So they have a patent on the Flux Capacitor also? Stewart At 06:55 PM 2/26/2009, you wrote: Unix and Xenix also used the 8.3 naming convention. So Unix is using their technology? You are missing the implications of their patent on time travel. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MS Sues TomTom for Using Linux
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Not just CPM I think every OS used a 8.3 naming system for a long time. If I remember rightly my Commodore used it. From the InfoWorld article, Two patents cover the use of the 8.3 file-naming convention, designed for backward compatibility between file systems that support both long and short file names. So, the patent in question, as I understand it, doesn't cover 8.3 filenames by themselves. It covers the method the VFAT extension to FAT uses to store a long filename, as well as a unique 8.3 version of the long name. So, for example, you may have a directory on your C drive called Documents And Settings, but older programs written before Windows 95 would see that as DOCUMEN~1. So, in the data structure on disk, there are actually 2 names stored for each file or directory. So, I think the patent covers the storing of 2 filenames in each directory structure, plus some method for generating the shorter (8.3) name from the longer name. That said, I think Microsoft are being asses by preventing the one filesystem natively usable on Linux, MacOS and Windows from being used. Most memory cards (camera, phone, etc.) and USB flash drives use this filesystem for maximum portability. Also, Unix has never used an 8.3 filesystem, which stores filenames in two fields, one 8 characters long and the other 3, with an implied dot between the parts. It had a filename which might or might not have one or more dots in it. Some flavors of Unix (especially ATT ones) had a 14 character limitation, not sure if Xenix was one of those. Linux and other modern Unix flavors have much longer limits on filename length. At 06:25 PM 2/26/2009, you wrote: Well it says MS has the patents on them...so then the answer would be yes. I guess you never used CPM either. -- Vicky Staubly http://www.steeds.com/vicky/vi...@steeds.com * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MS Sues TomTom for Using Linux
I don't think anyone would argue with that. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Vicky Staubly vi...@steeds.com wrote: That said, I think Microsoft are being asses -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MS Sues TomTom for Using Linux
If you read the article it says that TomTom has had this problem before and it may be that MS (although they act like asses) is going after a company that does not respect intellectual licenses. I do not know enough about this end of it, but I want to see how this plays out. Will it end up being like SCO Unix's lawsuit, or will it end up like Stack-it (sic I cant remember the name of the company)? Stewart At 07:36 PM 2/26/2009, you wrote: I don't think anyone would argue with that. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Vicky Staubly vi...@steeds.com wrote: That said, I think Microsoft are being asses Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] passive gas heaters [Was: DSL answering machines/DSL...]
passive gas heaters Tell us more. I Googled the term and got just 1 hit (in French). We have two propane heaters--no electricity, no natural gas lines. Glow-Warm 18,000 BTU, Comfort Glow 15,000 BTU. Can be vented or unvented. Ours are unvented since they're so small and low-power. Both have a mechanical spark or pilot can be lit with a match. No fan needed, but we have ceiling fans that blow upward in the winter [heating] and downward in the summer [cooling]. http://www.comfortheaters.com/ http://www.gwheaters.com/ You could also use a wood, pellet or corn-burning stove without electricity, a hurricane lantern, and a windup radio, cell phone charger, laptop. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MS Sues TomTom for Using Linux
Also, Unix has never used an 8.3 filesystem, which stores filenames in two fields, one 8 characters long and the other 3, with an implied dot between the parts... Neither had Macs. The only reason to use that brain-dead file naming convention is to accomodate the brain-dead file system used in a certain brain-dead operating system. The best response to the suit would be to tell users of that brain-dead operating system to upgrade to Unix or a Mac. I think one could make the case that suing over this is an abusive restraint on normal trade. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MS Sues TomTom for Using Linux
Regardless of the merit of the suit, MS Sues TomTom for Using Linux is a thoroughly misleading description of it, based on your link. The story uses the phrase implementation of Linux I wrote using Linux. Yes, I was definitely misleading. Probably criminally. Now ignoring the story and making strange semantic arguments, that's not misleading at all. That is double plus good. I pointed out that the article doesn't say what you claimed. I can certainly see where you, fact-challenged as you are where MS is concerned, would find this to be a strange semantic argument. They are -NOT- suing TT for using Linux. Or for using an implementation of Linux. They are suing for alleged patent violations. That is not by any stretch of anyone's imagination equivalent to MS Sues TomTom for Using Linux. Now, unless I say something first, you are going to try to paint me as having said that I approve of the suit. So here it is: I don't. Based on what little information is actually in the article, it seems very foolish,. But your summary of it was wrong. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
