Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
This is what is being rumored at this point. Stewart At 12:16 AM 12/15/2009, you wrote: Is it possible that we could just buy this phone from Google online, switch the SIM chip from our current carrier and cellular plan into it and off we go. Since I have no contract in force ... it expired ... that would mean I would never need another contract ... unless I was to change carriers etc. Could this be the first break in the US cellular monopoly and eventually lead us to a cellular situation as in a lot of the rest of the world, where you buy a phone and a chip and off you go... buying more minutes as necessary? db Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Swapping Boot Drives
Actually, I ran the Win7 RC from an external USB dock and it seemed fine. I don't have esata hooked up, but all my USB peripherals seemed fine. eSata is mostly controlled by the bios, not the OS, so I would imagine it would work. I didn't even notice a slowdown or a bottleneck, presumably because I have enough RAM (4gb) that disk access was minimized. No question in this case external would avoid any hassles with sealed cases and warranties. But none of us was convinced Dell would take so long to ship the new system that we thought it worth the hassle of a temporary OS install. On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:21 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: The problem is, even if you do install it externally, I doubt you have FW or ESATA on that machine, USB isn't made to be used to run an OS on an external drive. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Swapping Boot Drives
Re: how long Dell is taking - unfortunately that is a long and sordid story and really needs more than one or two adult beverages to tell properly. Suffice it to say that although I have been a many-times in the past satisfied Dell customer, given my current experience this will alas be my last Dell system, assuming I ever get it. Dell customer service which, to my mind at least, used to be the exemplar of the industry, has sadly scraped the bottom of the barrel for me this time Short version: my original order was placed on Nov 1 and shipped on Nov 19. Arrived Nov 24 except what arrived bore no resemblance to what I ordered, despite the fact that my name was on the box, and the packing slip attested to my order. My XPS 9000 machine continues to be lost in transit, untraceable apparently. Instead I have a Precision T7500 workstation that I neither want nor ordered. XPS replacement order was entered by Dell Nov 25 - told it would be in priority sequence since the screw-up in delivery was Dell/UPS/Purolator - anyone but me. I am still waiting. So far, the machine is still in production - so much for priority - and has not been shipped. I have spent way too much of my recent lifetime (literally hours and days) on the phone to everyone in India at the Dell call centers trying to get some definitive answers from Dell as to what the hold up is (no idea), was it REALLY in any priority (no idea) when will it be out of production (no idea), when will it be shipped (no idea). You get the picture And the worst part is, that up until I managed to get a tech support person in Manila of all places to really own the case as he put it, no one was really on my side. But mid January is now floating around as a possible delivery date. That would be a full 2.5 months since the original order Ahhh, but they wanted me to send the Precision T7500 workstation (the one they sent me in error) back BEFORE they would ship my replacement out. I have told them there is no way I am letting that baby out of my hands until mine arrives. That's the only leverage I have right now. They have my money, they have my machine (somewhere, maybe) but I have an expensive XEON-powered 24 G RAM workstation that they should want to get back. After all it lists for about 3-4x more money that the one I ordered so they should be motivated for me to send it back, but it does not leave my sight until mine has arrived. But they have at least given me permission to use it until that time, just to compensate in some small way for the crap they have put me through. Hence the original questions about OS installation and drive swapping. Thanks for letting me vent smile Michael From: Tony B ton...@gmail.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 9:05:00 AM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Swapping Boot Drives Actually, I ran the Win7 RC from an external USB dock and it seemed fine. I don't have esata hooked up, but all my USB peripherals seemed fine. eSata is mostly controlled by the bios, not the OS, so I would imagine it would work. I didn't even notice a slowdown or a bottleneck, presumably because I have enough RAM (4gb) that disk access was minimized. No question in this case external would avoid any hassles with sealed cases and warranties. But none of us was convinced Dell would take so long to ship the new system that we thought it worth the hassle of a temporary OS install. On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:21 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: The problem is, even if you do install it externally, I doubt you have FW or ESATA on that machine, USB isn't made to be used to run an OS on an external drive. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
Rev – Yo Rev – You've gotten finally to what for me is square one of any phone, smart or not. The SIM card. Any phone I carry must have the ability to change its SIM card, so that I can use the network where I go. In the US, I have a contract with T-Mobil, but when traveling, I can purchase a local SIM card, my familiar phone continues operating. Thus, I was mobil in Australia, Poland, Hungary, Germany and the Czech Republic this year, using inexpensive SIM cards dedicated to networks in those countries. The iPhone's essential flaw is this inability, and Google has taken note. Those Apple profits are not assured indefinitely. Sure, 800,000 apps are cool, but how many of those are essential? 10? 50? Doesn't this remind of the speed wars of just yesterday: my processor can run rings around yours. How important is that now? Actual calls, vs text messaging? Real or virtual keyboard? Mattered a lot when we weren't used to them, now not an issue, save for crackberry addicts, and how long will they hold out? The reason we have this US network testosterone contest is that each of our companies has had to build out costly systems. They recoup their investments with onerous contracts reminiscent of 18th century indentured servitude. Were all that investment put into one bucket, a GSM network, think of the flexibility and reliability we all would have. And how many fewer handsets would be dumped each year into landfills, along with their precious minerals, available to manufacturers from vanishingly limited suppliers. Where there are GSM builds in Europe, used phones are a robust market, one can use a 10-yr-old Nokia with the same clarity as today's rocket model. Rev, you could buy an ancient phone to use in Canada, instead of a new one for the limited purpose of making calls there; and would not have to incur roaming charges. Get the point? CDMA is the Pong of today, outdated. If I recall correctly, even Verizon is exploring GSM. PS, this is why I use Macs: they last longer, at least at my hand. I therefore slow the rate at which I dump electronic parts into the environment. OK: I also find them simpler to use. --- On Tue, 12/15/09, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: From: Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help! To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 8:43 AM This is what is being rumored at this point. Stewart At 12:16 AM 12/15/2009, you wrote: Is it possible that we could just buy this phone from Google online, switch the SIM chip from our current carrier and cellular plan into it and off we go. Since I have no contract in force ... it expired ... that would mean I would never need another contract ... unless I was to change carriers etc. Could this be the first break in the US cellular monopoly and eventually lead us to a cellular situation as in a lot of the rest of the world, where you buy a phone and a chip and off you go... buying more minutes as necessary? db Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] ATT Takes the Blame, Even for the iPhone's Faults
I recently saw a chart that showed the standard for all countries in the world that support Cell phones. CDMA is used outside the US, but it is not as popular as GSM. CDMA is also used by Sprint. When I was in Canada I could use my Verizon phone in a number of places. It was only when I got into the Northern area of Ontario (Which is semi remote) that I had problems with reception. If I travel there again (which is likely as my in-laws live there.) I will buy a prepay ATT or T-mobile phone so I can have reception. By the way prepay is a pretty big player up in Canada over and against contract. International roaming for voice and 3G uses different frequencies than North America. Quadband GSM phones for voice are common. Only a limited number of phones have more than two frequencies for 3G, but they're available for travelers. Japan uses CDMA, and I think there are CDMA networks in Australia. The 3G is WCDMA but not the same frequencies. Can you roam on the Sprint/Nextel network with Verizon? I thought they used incompatible phones and frequencies. Do Sprint customers need to buy another new phone to use their 4G network? PAYGO - buy your phone in Canada, or use a US phone with a Canadian SIM. Roaming charges with some providers can be steep. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Swapping Boot Drives
On 12/15/09, Michael Wosnick mwosn...@rogers.com wrote: Re: how long Dell is taking - unfortunately that is a long and sordid story and really needs more than one or two adult beverages to tell properly. Suffice it to say that although I have been a many-times in the past satisfied Dell customer, given my current experience this will alas be my last Dell system, assuming I ever get it. Dell customer service which, to my mind at least, used to be the exemplar of the industry, has sadly scraped the bottom of the barrel for me this time Short version: my original order was placed on Nov 1 and shipped on Nov 19. Arrived Nov 24 except what arrived bore no resemblance to what I ordered, despite the fact that my name was on the box, and the packing slip attested to my order. My XPS 9000 machine continues to be lost in transit, untraceable apparently. Instead I have a Precision T7500 workstation that I neither want nor ordered. XPS replacement order was entered by Dell Nov 25 - told it would be in priority sequence since the screw-up in delivery was Dell/UPS/Purolator - anyone but me. I am still waiting. So far, the machine is still in production - so much for priority - and has not been shipped. I have spent way too much of my recent lifetime (literally hours and days) on the phone to everyone in India at the Dell call centers trying to get some definitive answers from Dell as to what the hold up is (no idea), was it REALLY in any priority (no idea) when will it be out of production (no idea), when will it be shipped (no idea). You get the picture And the worst part is, that up until I managed to get a tech support person in Manila of all places to really own the case as he put it, no one was really on my side. But mid January is now floating around as a possible delivery date. That would be a full 2.5 months since the original order Ahhh, but they wanted me to send the Precision T7500 workstation (the one they sent me in error) back BEFORE they would ship my replacement out. I have told them there is no way I am letting that baby out of my hands until mine arrives. That's the only leverage I have right now. They have my money, they have my machine (somewhere, maybe) but I have an expensive XEON-powered 24 G RAM workstation that they should want to get back. After all it lists for about 3-4x more money that the one I ordered so they should be motivated for me to send it back, but it does not leave my sight until mine has arrived. But they have at least given me permission to use it until that time, just to compensate in some small way for the crap they have put me through. Hence the original questions about OS installation and drive swapping. Thanks for letting me vent smile Michael From: Tony B ton...@gmail.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 9:05:00 AM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Swapping Boot Drives Actually, I ran the Win7 RC from an external USB dock and it seemed fine. I don't have esata hooked up, but all my USB peripherals seemed fine. eSata is mostly controlled by the bios, not the OS, so I would imagine it would work. I didn't even notice a slowdown or a bottleneck, presumably because I have enough RAM (4gb) that disk access was minimized. No question in this case external would avoid any hassles with sealed cases and warranties. But none of us was convinced Dell would take so long to ship the new system that we thought it worth the hassle of a temporary OS install. On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:21 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: The problem is, even if you do install it externally, I doubt you have FW or ESATA on that machine, USB isn't made to be used to run an OS on an external drive. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] ATT Takes the Blame, Even for the iPhone's Faults
I live in seattle and have had Tmobile for a number of years. It used to have spotty coverage in certain areas 5 years ago but now it seems fine to me and as you say I like their phones and especially their customer service and now ESPECIALLY their rates. ($49 / mo + tax for unlimited minutes) Verizon CS was SO BAD when I was with them... and their service SO expensive. db mike wrote: I'm not sure 'proactive' has the same meaning to you as it does me. It surely doesn't have any meaning to ATT. So when you are out of range of Tmobile, you pay nothing extra and get 3g connectivity? Tmobile and ATT together have a smaller 3g footprint than Verizon or Sprint on their own. Take a look at the carriers own coverage maps..Tmobile and ATT are the worst for coverage, they aren't even in the same ballpark. Now all this is relative, when I had Tmobile I *knew* they had HORRID coverage but I liked the phone I got and I liked their customer service. I also wasn't traveling much so the incredibly bad coverage didn't matter.GSM phones can be used overseas and can be handy if you travel a lot. I'll stick to the discussion regarding coverage in the country where I live the bulk of my time. You argue in one case for a tech that can travel the world and get connectivity, but on the other hand the two worst for coverage here. So I suppose the question is, which do you care about? On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:11 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: I'm not a customer either, I wouldn't pay my cellular carrier for the privilege of mapping how bad their network is. It's not about politician or technologist, it's about being a shill or apologist. I'm neither...I'm a customer, I pay for a service. I'm glad the network I'm on doesn't have such horrid service that they needed to build such an app for their smartphones. Maybe if they put money into network improvements instead of lawyers to whine about verizon spreading the truth, their customers might be happier. The app is an excellent service. It makes a huge difference when the network provider is proactive in expanding its network to please its customers. I reported a dead zone where I need to use my phone to T-Mobile a few months ago. I returned to that location last week and I now have reception on my phone. They listened to my request and acted to improve service. The ATT app can do the same for its customers. I saw the Verizon TV ad again today, comparing networks. Then I remembered how I can roam with T-Mobile on ATT's network and other GSM networks across the country and around the world. There isn't any network that Verizon customers can use for roaming except, well, Verizon. The roaming on other networks expands ATT's coverage to pretty much the same as Verizon's in the US and more in the rest of the world. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Random cell phone calls
Recently my cellphone (T-Mobile) began making random calls to my home phone as well as my wife's cell phone. We got two calls in the middle of last night. Do I get a new phone? Dump T-M? T-M's recommendation is to reset my phone. Any advice? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Random cell phone calls
Reset the phone. If you continue with the issue, Tmobile has good customer service in my experience and they will do something about it. I had my HTC excaliber replaced finally with a blackberry after a few issues. It took some calling and dealing with customer service, but the issue was moved forward until resolved. On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:53 AM, David Cowdrill david_c...@mac.com wrote: Recently my cellphone (T-Mobile) began making random calls to my home phone as well as my wife's cell phone. We got two calls in the middle of last night. Do I get a new phone? Dump T-M? T-M's recommendation is to reset my phone. Any advice? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Random cell phone calls
Does it say anything when it calls? Has anyone in the family died recently? On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:53 PM, David Cowdrill david_c...@mac.com wrote: Recently my cellphone (T-Mobile) began making random calls to my home phone as well as my wife's cell phone. We got two calls in the middle of last night. Do I get a new phone? Dump T-M? T-M's recommendation is to reset my phone. Any advice? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] ATT Takes the Blame, Even for the iPhone's Faults
I have a Treo Centro that I used roaming on CDMA in Canada twice this year with Sprint. Haven't carried it farther than that. My husband has a GSM Blackberry on ATT and we've used it in US, Canada, UK, Korea, and Oz. - Original Message - From: b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] ATT Takes the Blame, Even for the iPhone's Faults I recently saw a chart that showed the standard for all countries in the world that support Cell phones. CDMA is used outside the US, but it is not as popular as GSM. CDMA is also used by Sprint. When I was in Canada I could use my Verizon phone in a number of places. It was only when I got into the Northern area of Ontario (Which is semi remote) that I had problems with reception. If I travel there again (which is likely as my in-laws live there.) I will buy a prepay ATT or T-mobile phone so I can have reception. By the way prepay is a pretty big player up in Canada over and against contract. International roaming for voice and 3G uses different frequencies than North America. Quadband GSM phones for voice are common. Only a limited number of phones have more than two frequencies for 3G, but they're available for travelers. Japan uses CDMA, and I think there are CDMA networks in Australia. The 3G is WCDMA but not the same frequencies. Can you roam on the Sprint/Nextel network with Verizon? I thought they used incompatible phones and frequencies. Do Sprint customers need to buy another new phone to use their 4G network? PAYGO - buy your phone in Canada, or use a US phone with a Canadian SIM. Roaming charges with some providers can be steep. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Android Apps again
From AndroLib. Quantity rarely equals quality, of course, but it's still fairly notable that the Android Market http://www.engadget.com/tag/androidmarket has now managed to top 20,000 apps just a little over a year after it opened its doors -- Apple's App Store had over 50,000 apps a year into its existence, for those keeping track. Even more interesting, however, is the distribution of free and paid apps in the Market. According to *AndroLib*, fully 62.2% of the apps available are completely free, compared to just 37.8% that are paid apps. That's in stark contrast to the App Store, which now has over 100,000 individual apps, of which (by some recent counts) a hefty 77% are paid applications -- although only 30% of total App Store downloads are for paid apps. What does it all mean? Well, that's open for debate. But one thing's for sure: the rest of the app store contenders are going to have to work some special pie chart magic to come out looking good in this battle. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
b_s-wilk wrote: The magic and unattached Apple menu make is so much more difficult to train the uninitiated ... and it causes a number of complications re: what's running?, RAM depletion and file backup. The Macintosh menus are attached to the top of the display, not to the windows. Apple had its menus at the top of the screen long before Microsoft tried to copy the Mac GUI, but changed it a bit so nobody would notice they were copying, uh, innovating. Copying is part and parcel of all innovation. You start with what is known and hopefully add something useful or improve on the original in some way. Sometimes more... sometimes less but it's always the way invention progresses. As Apple did with Xerox Smalltalk in developing the first commercial GUI OS. Makes more sense to have only ONE menu for each program, instead of menus for each open window. Microsoft must have come up with that in their Department of Redundancy Department. Takes up less room to have top of screen menus rather than ones inside each window. More screen 'real estate' is better. It's also easier to keep programs open even though windows are closed so you don't have to relaunch over and over. Says who and what are the meaningful parameters you using when you are counting? With all 3 OS's, for meaningful purposes only one menu is being used ... and is occupying space ... at any time. With multiple windows open, you just don't have to think about/ fuss about which menu with the Win/Linux design ... no more than you have to think about or be concerned about which hand is holding the sandwich that you are eating... When you really need to know what's running, there's a tiny white arrow next to each running program in the Dock [my Dock is to the left and hidden except when I need it]. If you're a micromanager, you can keep the Activity Monitor open to watch how the visible and invisible processes are using CPU, real memory, shared memory, private memory and which ports are in use, including the Activity Monitor's use of CPU and memory. As an experienced user using a small or average number of windows you almost never need to know. But inexperienced users almost ALWAYS need to know as quickly and as easily as possible and heavy users running many projects simultaneously have the same issue (and NO... playing pin the tail on the donkey with the alt tab key through 35 windows is not really any more efficient than the kid's party game is.). The Dock came from NeXTSTEP, not as a catch-up to anything. The main difference from NeXT to Mac is that Mac OS X allows programs, documents and folders in the Dock instead of simply programs. Yes, it was a catch up... where it came from isn't the issue. Other OS's had it's usefullness by then and Mac OS was lacking and wanting without some functionality of that nature. One primary function of Taskbars/Docks is as a a head's up display or dashboard. Another primary function is to minimize the number of mouse clicks needed to access subcomponents. Unfortunately, the Dock... as pretty as it is ... was only a half measure because while it exists now it only performs part of the heads up display and only diminishes the number of clicks in certain situations while not really helping much in others. Analogous to leaving the gas gauge off the dashboard ... putting it in the glovebox ... so that you have to do something ... lean over and open the glove box... in order to know how much gas you have. OS X dock is not as much help as it easily could be and as a Linux or Window taskbars are today. The Dock is a half measure of what taskbars were always intended to be in terms of function. An exaggerated metaphor: Like building a tall building and leaving out the elevator. Yes the building still works ... but whoa... the stairs sure add to the time it takes to get to your office... The operating systems are different. Get used to it. No... I am never going to get used to a tool that greatly slows down my ability to do my work Kind of like sticking with a beautiful, intelligent but unhealthily neurotic woman. If one feature is a non-starter, the other two don't really matter to you do they? Vive la différence! Learn the idiosyncracies of multiple systems, appreciate and use them. Mac users have done it for years. So have a lot of Windows users. Your turn. Switch from program to program - Command + Tab [borrowed from Windows!]. Switch from window to window in a program - Command + tilde ~ [or accent grave `]. Easy. Yes ... people are VERY different too but for the most part we all have two legs, two ears, one mouth etc and that's a good thing! Commonality of parts and function is a good and very desired feature of both organisms and mechanisms.And at the end of the day ... form always follows function. It may take a while but the universe is always in the end economical. It just may not look that way depending
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
An earlier thread showed that to some macs aren't tools, they are a way of life. Some people feel they are defined by their computer choice, and so they feel the need to define others in this way. On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:31 PM, db db...@att.net wrote: As I am trying to do now. But seem to be ruffling feathers in doing so.. (I'll never personally understand why techies can be so emotional about machines and software bits... you'd think I was criticizing someone's mother ...) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
Go Google GO! db Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: This is what is being rumored at this point. Stewart At 12:16 AM 12/15/2009, you wrote: Is it possible that we could just buy this phone from Google online, switch the SIM chip from our current carrier and cellular plan into it and off we go. Since I have no contract in force ... it expired ... that would mean I would never need another contract ... unless I was to change carriers etc. Could this be the first break in the US cellular monopoly and eventually lead us to a cellular situation as in a lot of the rest of the world, where you buy a phone and a chip and off you go... buying more minutes as necessary? db Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 3:57 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: An earlier thread showed that to some macs aren't tools, they are a way of life. All of the recent Windows ads reflect this same philosophy. Windows users refer to themselves as being a PC, as in, My name is Earl, and I'm a PC. Not only do they do they own and use a PC, meaning a Windows computer, they are one themselves. Talk about a being a way of life! Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Swapping Boot Drives
It couldt be faster to cancel, return and reorder. On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Michael Wosnick mwosn...@rogers.comwrote: Re: how long Dell is taking - unfortunately that is a long and sordid story and really needs more than one or two adult beverages to tell properly. Suffice it to say that although I have been a many-times in the past satisfied Dell customer, given my current experience this will alas be my last Dell system, assuming I ever get it. Dell customer service which, to my mind at least, used to be the exemplar of the industry, has sadly scraped the bottom of the barrel for me this time Short version: my original order was placed on Nov 1 and shipped on Nov 19. Arrived Nov 24 except what arrived bore no resemblance to what I ordered, despite the fact that my name was on the box, and the packing slip attested to my order. My XPS 9000 machine continues to be lost in transit, untraceable apparently. Instead I have a Precision T7500 workstation that I neither want nor ordered. XPS replacement order was entered by Dell Nov 25 - told it would be in priority sequence since the screw-up in delivery was Dell/UPS/Purolator - anyone but me. I am still waiting. So far, the machine is still in production - so much for priority - and has not been shipped. I have spent way too much of my recent lifetime (literally hours and days) on the phone to everyone in India at the Dell call centers trying to get some definitive answers from Dell as to what the hold up is (no idea), was it REALLY in any priority (no idea) when will it be out of production (no idea), when will it be shipped (no idea). You get the picture And the worst part is, that up until I managed to get a tech support person in Manila of all places to really own the case as he put it, no one was really on my side. But mid January is now floating around as a possible delivery date. That would be a full 2.5 months since the original order Ahhh, but they wanted me to send the Precision T7500 workstation (the one they sent me in error) back BEFORE they would ship my replacement out. I have told them there is no way I am letting that baby out of my hands until mine arrives. That's the only leverage I have right now. They have my money, they have my machine (somewhere, maybe) but I have an expensive XEON-powered 24 G RAM workstation that they should want to get back. After all it lists for about 3-4x more money that the one I ordered so they should be motivated for me to send it back, but it does not leave my sight until mine has arrived. But they have at least given me permission to use it until that time, just to compensate in some small way for the crap they have put me through. Hence the original questions about OS installation and drive swapping. Thanks for letting me vent smile Michael From: Tony B ton...@gmail.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 9:05:00 AM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Swapping Boot Drives Actually, I ran the Win7 RC from an external USB dock and it seemed fine. I don't have esata hooked up, but all my USB peripherals seemed fine. eSata is mostly controlled by the bios, not the OS, so I would imagine it would work. I didn't even notice a slowdown or a bottleneck, presumably because I have enough RAM (4gb) that disk access was minimized. No question in this case external would avoid any hassles with sealed cases and warranties. But none of us was convinced Dell would take so long to ship the new system that we thought it worth the hassle of a temporary OS install. On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:21 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: The problem is, even if you do install it externally, I doubt you have FW or ESATA on that machine, USB isn't made to be used to run an OS on an external drive. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Swapping Boot Drives
Well, in fact, I have thought about canceling outright and just going to a local supplier and walking out with some other acceptable substitute machine. Problem is, according to Dell, once a machine has started in production, it cannot be canceled. Only recourse is to accept it when it comes, and then return it for a refund. And then I fight them to see who pays shipping (they say me, I say them...). And the truth is, I really like the price (was on sale) and configuration I ordered. I can't duplicate it locally or I would have done so originally. Rock and hard place. From: John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 10:13:23 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Swapping Boot Drives It could be faster to cancel, return and reorder. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] XP Pro problems
I have XP Pro SP1 via registered CD License. My computer: OS: XP Pro Mbd: Soyo SY-7VBA133U (6PCI, 1AGP) CPU: P3 933Mhz(clock speed 133Mhz) RAM: 1GB PC133 HDC: AHA-39320 HD: 147GB(2) U320 SCSI Video: 20 LG Flatron W2053TX Vid. Cont.: ATI Radeon 9600 SE VRAM: 128MB Sound Card: Audigy 2ZS I know that some of the specs I have listed above, probably don't have a connection to the problem. But I didn't want to leave anything out. I installed XP SP2 via upgrade CD and, when I tried to re-boot, the computer will hang right after the XP logo screen. So I thought the upgrade CD was damaged. I downloaded XP SP3 from Microsoft's website and, installed it. It is said to include all previous service packs. When I tried to re-boot, I encountered the same problem. I know that, a lot of the hardware on my computer needs to be upgraded. I have been looking for ATX P4 motherboards with the same number of PCI slots. Since I am not a gamer, I haven't bothered with upgrading the video card. So, I would appreciate all feedback to my problem. Christopher * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Swapping Boot Drives
Then I have only one phrase of advice. Patience Grasshopper, patience. Stewart At 10:09 PM 12/15/2009, you wrote: Well, in fact, I have thought about canceling outright and just going to a local supplier and walking out with some other acceptable substitute machine. Problem is, according to Dell, once a machine has started in production, it cannot be canceled. Only recourse is to accept it when it comes, and then return it for a refund. And then I fight them to see who pays shipping (they say me, I say them...). And the truth is, I really like the price (was on sale) and configuration I ordered. I can't duplicate it locally or I would have done so originally. Rock and hard place. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems
You forgot to tell us what the problem is. Or what you've already tried to do to fix it. BTW, You don't need too many PCI slots any longer. I have two and one has firewire. What do you need your other five for? On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:19 PM, Christopher Range lcms0...@comcast.net wrote: I have XP Pro SP1 via registered CD License. My computer: OS: XP Pro Mbd: Soyo SY-7VBA133U (6PCI, 1AGP) CPU: P3 933Mhz(clock speed 133Mhz) RAM: 1GB PC133 HDC: AHA-39320 HD: 147GB(2) U320 SCSI Video: 20 LG Flatron W2053TX Vid. Cont.: ATI Radeon 9600 SE VRAM: 128MB Sound Card: Audigy 2ZS I know that some of the specs I have listed above, probably don't have a connection to the problem. But I didn't want to leave anything out. I installed XP SP2 via upgrade CD and, when I tried to re-boot, the computer will hang right after the XP logo screen. So I thought the upgrade CD was damaged. I downloaded XP SP3 from Microsoft's website and, installed it. It is said to include all previous service packs. When I tried to re-boot, I encountered the same problem. I know that, a lot of the hardware on my computer needs to be upgraded. I have been looking for ATX P4 motherboards with the same number of PCI slots. Since I am not a gamer, I haven't bothered with upgrading the video card. So, I would appreciate all feedback to my problem. Christopher * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Swapping Boot Drives
Ahhh... yes master :) Truth is, aggravated though I am, I can afford to be patient - it is my daughter whose computer died and who will inherit mine as a hand-me-over as soon as the replacement comes, who is in desperate straits :(. Michael From: Rev. Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 11:21:57 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Swapping Boot Drives Then I have only one phrase of advice. Patience Grasshopper, patience. Stewart At 10:09 PM 12/15/2009, you wrote: Well, in fact, I have thought about canceling outright and just going to a local supplier and walking out with some other acceptable substitute machine. Problem is, according to Dell, once a machine has started in production, it cannot be canceled. Only recourse is to accept it when it comes, and then return it for a refund. And then I fight them to see who pays shipping (they say me, I say them...). And the truth is, I really like the price (was on sale) and configuration I ordered. I can't duplicate it locally or I would have done so originally. Rock and hard place. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Swapping Boot Drives
Suffered through that when my wife's died on Thanksgiving and it took till after Christmas for hers to arrive. Guess whose she wanted to use all the time! :-) That can be a real marriage breaker. :-) Stewart At 10:42 PM 12/15/2009, you wrote: Ahhh... yes master :) Truth is, aggravated though I am, I can afford to be patient - it is my daughter whose computer died and who will inherit mine as a hand-me-over as soon as the replacement comes, who is in desperate straits :(. Michael * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems
At 11:29 PM 12/15/2009, Tony B wrote: BTW, You don't need too many PCI slots any longer. I have two and one has firewire. What do you need your other five for? Whatever subsystem fails on the motherboard, and can be fixed by replacing it with the same function on a PCI card. Shouldn't the Firewire be on the MB as well? Slot covers can contain additional connectors, e.g. for an e-Sata drive. An SCSI card, so you can hook up a legacy drive containing old data that suddenly becomes important. Yes, I know, there are USB to SCSI adapters, or at least there used to be for SCSI narrow drives. Another video card so you can be running four monitors? . . . Fred Holmes * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:19 PM, Christopher Range lcms0...@comcast.net wrote: I installed XP SP2 via upgrade CD and, when I tried to re-boot, the computer will hang right after the XP logo screen. So I thought the upgrade CD was damaged. [. . .] So, I would appreciate all feedback to my problem. My first guess would be driver issues. Have you tried to start up in Safe Mode? Hold down the F8 key while starting until the options screen shows up. perhaps you can update the drivers from there. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems
Starting in safe mode will also display the drivers as they load and you might see which one is hanging you On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:19 PM, Christopher Range lcms0...@comcast.net wrote: I installed XP SP2 via upgrade CD and, when I tried to re-boot, the computer will hang right after the XP logo screen. So I thought the upgrade CD was damaged. [. . .] So, I would appreciate all feedback to my problem. My first guess would be driver issues. Have you tried to start up in Safe Mode? Hold down the F8 key while starting until the options screen shows up. perhaps you can update the drivers from there. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems
As an aside...Motherboards today almost always include sound and some sort of video on board. When or if these go out, you can easily put a card in and you have it working again. I don't use the onboard video on any of my machines, I bypass it and use a video card. I've never had a motherboard become useless because sound/video, NIC or USB going out. On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:17 PM, Christopher Range lcms0...@comcast.netwrote: Tony, I mentioned, that my computer would hang after the XP Pro logo screen, following the upgrade to XP SP2, regardless of going by CD or, by download from Microsoft's website and, installed. If I couldn't re-install XP Pro, without formatting the drive, I would format the drive. Usually, I would just have to re-install without formatting. As for the PCI slots, I have: 1. Sound Card 2. Video Card 3. USB/Firewire Combo Card 4. NIC I despise on-board technology. Because if one thing goes wrong with the motherboard, then the motherboard basically needs to be replaced. Replacing a peripheral card is far cheaper than, having to replace a motherboard each time. The only Firewire connection is, on the outside of the combo card. - Original Message - From: Tony B ton...@gmail.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 9:29:20 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems You forgot to tell us what the problem is. Or what you've already tried to do to fix it. BTW, You don't need too many PCI slots any longer. I have two and one has firewire. What do you need your other five for? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems
Sorry, I missed this the first time. It's true you must install SP2 before you can get up to SP3, so you don't have a choice; you must get SP2 in there. What's unusual is that usually in a clean install there shouldn't be any hangs. You aren't trying to install SP2/SP3 *after* you've installed some apps, are you? I had a NIC go bad on a mobo once years ago. other than that, this stuff just doesn't fail. Are you guys with the constant failures just buying cheap mobos? No wait, I buy a lot of cheap mobos for our video workstations, and none of those have failed either. Knock on wood, thanks to you guys. Can you tell us just how many and what type of failures you've had on your mobos that required you to have 5 PCI slots??? On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 12:17 AM, Christopher Range lcms0...@comcast.net wrote: Tony, I mentioned, that my computer would hang after the XP Pro logo screen, following the upgrade to XP SP2, regardless of going by CD or, by download from Microsoft's website and, installed. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems
SP 3 I believe is a rollup of all previous updates...shouldn't need to do SP2. On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, I missed this the first time. It's true you must install SP2 before you can get up to SP3, so you don't have a choice; you must get SP2 in there. What's unusual is that usually in a clean install there shouldn't be any hangs. You aren't trying to install SP2/SP3 *after* you've installed some apps, are you? I had a NIC go bad on a mobo once years ago. other than that, this stuff just doesn't fail. Are you guys with the constant failures just buying cheap mobos? No wait, I buy a lot of cheap mobos for our video workstations, and none of those have failed either. Knock on wood, thanks to you guys. Can you tell us just how many and what type of failures you've had on your mobos that required you to have 5 PCI slots??? On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 12:17 AM, Christopher Range lcms0...@comcast.net wrote: Tony, I mentioned, that my computer would hang after the XP Pro logo screen, following the upgrade to XP SP2, regardless of going by CD or, by download from Microsoft's website and, installed. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems
I already did update all the drivers. It didn't make a difference. Is there a bug in XP SP2? Christopher - Original Message - From: Reid Katan ka...@his.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 10:03:31 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:19 PM, Christopher Range lcms0...@comcast.net wrote: I installed XP SP2 via upgrade CD and, when I tried to re-boot, the computer will hang right after the XP logo screen. So I thought the upgrade CD was damaged. [. . .] So, I would appreciate all feedback to my problem. My first guess would be driver issues. Have you tried to start up in Safe Mode? Hold down the F8 key while starting until the options screen shows up. perhaps you can update the drivers from there. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems
I bypass on-board technology because, it limits the end-user, to the meanderings of the the motherboard manufacturer. That is why I have a separate video n' sound card. Christopher - Original Message - From: mike xha...@gmail.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 10:33:53 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems As an aside...Motherboards today almost always include sound and some sort of video on board. When or if these go out, you can easily put a card in and you have it working again. I don't use the onboard video on any of my machines, I bypass it and use a video card. I've never had a motherboard become useless because sound/video, NIC or USB going out. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
Quoting db db...@att.net: b_s-wilk wrote: The magic and unattached Apple menu make is so much more difficult to train the uninitiated ... and it causes a number of complications re: what's running?, RAM depletion and file backup. Makes more sense to have only ONE menu for each program, instead of menus for each open window. Microsoft must have come up with that Says who and what are the meaningful parameters you using when you are counting? With all 3 OS's, for meaningful purposes only one menu is being used ... and is occupying space ... at any time. With multiple windows open, you just don't have to think about/ fuss about which menu with the Win/Linux design ... no more than you have to think about or be concerned about which hand is holding the sandwich that you are eating... I don't understand what's so hard about OSX's menu bar. It's attached to the top of the screen rather than the top of the window. Big deal. At least it's in the same place all the time. And the menu items change no more than the Windows menu items. They reflect the options you have the program that has the focus. Just like Windows. Now, before you start up with the MFB stuff, I've been using Windows since 3.1 and only just got my first Mac this year. When I saw the menu bar at the top, I thought to myself Hmm. They put it up there. It's just not that confusing. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems
That might be the problem. Next time try installing SP2 immediately, before you try to install the mobo drivers. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 12:51 AM, Christopher Range lcms0...@comcast.net wrote: I already did update all the drivers. It didn't make a difference. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
Quoting b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es: * What's the usefulness of the Apple menu bar that morphs with each application and leaves apps running and consuming memory and file First time I used Vista, I couldn't find menus in most of the programs. Then I hit the ALT key and the menus appeared--JUST LIKE IN *DOS*. Now THAT'S really archaic. Apple menus change because the apps have different purposes. Different menus are good. Fitting square pegs into round holes as a menu metaphor is pointless. I'm actually finding it harder to get used to Win7 than OSX. Microsoft just moved *everything*. Every time I want to do something, I have to try to remember where they put it. It's effin' annoying. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems
Quoting Christopher Range lcms0...@comcast.net: I already did update all the drivers. It didn't make a difference. Have you tried Safe Mode? Like Mike said, there should be an option to step through the boot. Just keep on stepping until it stops on you. That should narrow it down. Is there a bug in XP SP2? 'Fraid I can't help you there. After all this time, I'd think it was pretty stable. Can you back out of the SP updates? and if you do, will it return you to normal? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems
On Dec 16, 2009, at 12:51 AM, Christopher Range wrote: I already did update all the drivers. Roll back your video driver. I have found that recent video driver updates actually cause problems. When I rolled back video drivers my crashing stopped. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] need lots of PCI slots???
What the heck are you talking about? You already said you aren't a gamer, so you don't need good video hardware; onboard video will more than suffice for business apps. Audio? Creative hasn't upgraded their cards in ages, and you said you have an old Audigy. How often do you replace audio cards? Is it your habit to switch around amongst Creative, then a few months later, someone else? Who? On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 12:57 AM, Christopher Range lcms0...@comcast.net wrote: I bypass on-board technology because, it limits the end-user, to the meanderings of the the motherboard manufacturer. That is why I have a separate video n' sound card. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems
In my experience, it seems like video card manufacturers are always updating their drivers, I got in the habit of keeping older ones around for just what Tom is talking about. On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:10 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 16, 2009, at 12:51 AM, Christopher Range wrote: I already did update all the drivers. Roll back your video driver. I have found that recent video driver updates actually cause problems. When I rolled back video drivers my crashing stopped. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Swapping Boot Drives
On Dec 15, 2009, at 9:36 AM, Michael Wosnick wrote: Instead I have a Precision T7500 workstation that I neither want nor ordered. Why don't you just keep what you got? Looks like a fine PC. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems
On Dec 15, 2009, at 11:19 PM, Christopher Range wrote: I know that, a lot of the hardware on my computer needs to be upgraded. It looks fine to me. Should be able to run XP just fine as it is. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] need lots of PCI slots???
This sounds like someone who had a nightmare experience once and isn't going to allow it to happen again. I don't want to put words in Christopher's mouth...just what I was thinking. Same reason I won't buy Hitachi drives even if they are half the price and twice the warranty. On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:12 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: What the heck are you talking about? You already said you aren't a gamer, so you don't need good video hardware; onboard video will more than suffice for business apps. Audio? Creative hasn't upgraded their cards in ages, and you said you have an old Audigy. How often do you replace audio cards? Is it your habit to switch around amongst Creative, then a few months later, someone else? Who? On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 12:57 AM, Christopher Range lcms0...@comcast.net wrote: I bypass on-board technology because, it limits the end-user, to the meanderings of the the motherboard manufacturer. That is why I have a separate video n' sound card. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
Odd because I found the opposite. I didn't find myself looking for anything. Do you have any examples of what you noticed? My wife too is on 7, I installed it one day while she was gone, after two days I finally asked her if she liked it was having trouble...she looked at me blankly 'it's working..' Like what else is it supposed to do? She had zero trouble with the transition. On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote: Quoting b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es: * What's the usefulness of the Apple menu bar that morphs with each application and leaves apps running and consuming memory and file First time I used Vista, I couldn't find menus in most of the programs. Then I hit the ALT key and the menus appeared--JUST LIKE IN *DOS*. Now THAT'S really archaic. Apple menus change because the apps have different purposes. Different menus are good. Fitting square pegs into round holes as a menu metaphor is pointless. I'm actually finding it harder to get used to Win7 than OSX. Microsoft just moved *everything*. Every time I want to do something, I have to try to remember where they put it. It's effin' annoying. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
On Dec 15, 2009, at 12:46 AM, b_s-wilk wrote: Maybe you could use David Pogue's Missing Manuals. And a careful reading of Tog on Interface. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
On Dec 14, 2009, at 3:23 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: For some time now, it has been my opinion that Apple has shifted its gaze toward portable devices designed primarily for entertainment purposes or an entertainment/portable application device masquerading as a phone. I still use and like their computers, but do sense that Apple is looking in other directions these days. Nope. Not entertainment, but everything you need to do in life. They got your music. They got your cell phone. They got your pocket computer. And soon everything you need to read will be on the iPad. All one seamless integrated system. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] need lots of PCI slots???
No problem. I didn't have a nightmare experience that necessitates having that many slots. Just the thought of having that much dependence on the motherboard, when the functions of a peripheral card is far better than the sub-standard garbage on the motherboard, is what causes me to need that many slots.. - Original Message - From: mike xha...@gmail.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 11:20:14 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: [CGUYS] need lots of PCI slots??? This sounds like someone who had a nightmare experience once and isn't going to allow it to happen again. I don't want to put words in Christopher's mouth...just what I was thinking. Same reason I won't buy Hitachi drives even if they are half the price and twice the warranty. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
I do wonder why they haven't gone harder after video entertainment the way they seemed to go after music. They don't seem to have anywhere near the kind of plan for that as they do other areas...they just sort of meander around. On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:29 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 14, 2009, at 3:23 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: For some time now, it has been my opinion that Apple has shifted its gaze toward portable devices designed primarily for entertainment purposes or an entertainment/portable application device masquerading as a phone. I still use and like their computers, but do sense that Apple is looking in other directions these days. Nope. Not entertainment, but everything you need to do in life. They got your music. They got your cell phone. They got your pocket computer. And soon everything you need to read will be on the iPad. All one seamless integrated system. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
I agree it seems like Windows just doesn't want to be in the software business anymore. Increasingly whatever they come up with make things worse instead of better. Why should people stay with something they don't even recognize any more and is increasingly troublesome? db Reid Katan wrote: Quoting b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es: * What's the usefulness of the Apple menu bar that morphs with each application and leaves apps running and consuming memory and file First time I used Vista, I couldn't find menus in most of the programs. Then I hit the ALT key and the menus appeared--JUST LIKE IN *DOS*. Now THAT'S really archaic. Apple menus change because the apps have different purposes. Different menus are good. Fitting square pegs into round holes as a menu metaphor is pointless. I'm actually finding it harder to get used to Win7 than OSX. Microsoft just moved *everything*. Every time I want to do something, I have to try to remember where they put it. It's effin' annoying. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
Things that work really well do so for a collection of reasons that at first glance seem subtle. (What exactly is it that make a great piece of architecture great for instance?) This would be one of them in my opinion. If you have ever tried to train someone on a Mac / be responsible for their learning curve and competency you would know why the Mac menu bar design leaves something to desired. Newbies confusion on that issue doesn't exist when the menu is couple physically and operationally to the object they are working with. Not the end of the world... just a comment about would be useful improvement in my opinion. db Reid Katan wrote: Quoting db db...@att.net: b_s-wilk wrote: The magic and unattached Apple menu make is so much more difficult to train the uninitiated ... and it causes a number of complications re: what's running?, RAM depletion and file backup. Makes more sense to have only ONE menu for each program, instead of menus for each open window. Microsoft must have come up with that Says who and what are the meaningful parameters you using when you are counting? With all 3 OS's, for meaningful purposes only one menu is being used ... and is occupying space ... at any time. With multiple windows open, you just don't have to think about/ fuss about which menu with the Win/Linux design ... no more than you have to think about or be concerned about which hand is holding the sandwich that you are eating... I don't understand what's so hard about OSX's menu bar. It's attached to the top of the screen rather than the top of the window. Big deal. At least it's in the same place all the time. And the menu items change no more than the Windows menu items. They reflect the options you have the program that has the focus. Just like Windows. Now, before you start up with the MFB stuff, I've been using Windows since 3.1 and only just got my first Mac this year. When I saw the menu bar at the top, I thought to myself Hmm. They put it up there. It's just not that confusing. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
