Re: [CGUYS] Where to buy XP computer?
Dell outlet...I have one... -Original Message- From: Richard P. [mailto:richs...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 7:02 PM Subject: Where to buy XP computer? A senior friend went out to a local electronics store and bought a new Dell, 64 bit Windows 7 Home Premium computer to replace his old XP which has a failing hard drive. Unfortunately, the only program that he has that will run on the new computer is his antivirus software and AOL. Even his 6 month old HP digital camera's software won't run on it. It will end up costing more to replace all the software than the computer cost. While replacing the hard drive and transferring over his programs and data is a $250 option, it will still leave him with a old computer with a slow chip. Is there a place he can buy an XP computer with a decent amount of memory (2GB) and dual core chip for a reasonable amount of $? Is there another solution for him? It looks like the only Microsoft computer's being advertised are the Windows 7, 64 bit version. Thanks in advance, Richard P. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] vga port to port
One more basic question about this matter for you guys; if I get a VGA cable and hook up the video to my TV with a VGA port, and if I hook up an audio cable to the output on the side of the computer (3.5mm labeled stereo headphone jack out grouped near 3.5mm input and 3.5mm mic outlets) will it get amplified at the TV end enough to have adequate volume level, or do I need something for that? -Original Message- From: rleesimon [mailto:rleesi...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 10:22 AM To: 'Chris Dunford' Cc: 'Stewart Marshall' Subject: RE: vga port to port Thanks ...you and the rev saved me from purchasing some junk that supposes to be a signal converter and is unnecessary for my use... -Original Message- From: Chris Dunford [mailto:seed...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 10:09 AM To: 'rleesimon' Subject: RE: vga port to port Either one should work for the video. You do need a sound cable. The second one has a built-in cable, but it looks like it has a single miniplug at both ends. Your TV probably wants separate left/right RCA-type plugs. So you might be better off buying the first cable and something like this: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2290564 (Although you can probably find something cheaper--Monster cables are top of the line.) -Original Message- From: rleesimon [mailto:rleesi...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 11:55 AM To: 'Chris Dunford' Cc: 'Computer Guys Discussion List' Subject: RE: vga port to port Are the cords I show here good? I assume I need a sound cord and the second one has it integrated ...should that be the one? I assume SVGA cord will carry VGA, no? ...thanks!! -Original Message- From: Chris Dunford [mailto:seed...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 11:50 AM Subject: Re: vga port to port If I have a vga out port on my laptop can't I just get a simple vga monitor cable (http://tinyurl.com/yjnyy37) or even one that has an integrated sound cable on it (http://tinyurl.com/yfrxj5k) and show whatever from the computer on my TV since it has a VGA port without buying some folderol that seems to do nothing?? My thinkpad has the facility to show an external monitor only or together with the LCD .any advice? Yes, I've connected my ThinkPad directly to a TV with a VGA input. Works fine. Nothing else is needed. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] vga port to port
Are the cords I show here good? I assume I need a sound cord and the second one has it integrated ...should that be the one? I assume SVGA cord will carry VGA, no? ...thanks!! -Original Message- From: Chris Dunford [mailto:seed...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 11:50 AM Subject: Re: vga port to port If I have a vga out port on my laptop can't I just get a simple vga monitor cable (http://tinyurl.com/yjnyy37) or even one that has an integrated sound cable on it (http://tinyurl.com/yfrxj5k) and show whatever from the computer on my TV since it has a VGA port without buying some folderol that seems to do nothing?? My thinkpad has the facility to show an external monitor only or together with the LCD .any advice? Yes, I've connected my ThinkPad directly to a TV with a VGA input. Works fine. Nothing else is needed. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] vga port to port
If I have a vga out port on my laptop can't I just get a simple vga monitor cable (http://tinyurl.com/yjnyy37) or even one that has an integrated sound cable on it (http://tinyurl.com/yfrxj5k) and show whatever from the computer on my TV since it has a VGA port without buying some folderol that seems to do nothing?? My thinkpad has the facility to show an external monitor only or together with the LCD .any advice? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] laptop to tv advice
My TV is lenco dtv-2421 Description/detail: TFT/LCD DVD combination/screen diagonal: 61 cm/sceen size: 24 tariff/display format: 16:9/dissolution: 1,920 x of 1,080 pixels/hp ready/Full hp/integrated devices: DVD player/connections: 1xHDMI, VGA (PC entrance), SCART, S-video-entrance, component entrance (YUV)/rendition formats: CD, DVD, VCD, S-VCD, HDCD, MP3, WMA, JPEG/weight: 6.14 kg/power output: 2 x 3 Watt/screen menu OSD/data sheet indicate My Laptop is IBM Thinkpad X31 Has USB2 and also has a monitor connector on the back (15 pins in 3 rows of 5 slightly offset) which can be seen here: http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/x31monitcon.gif I place the x31 in an x3 ultrabase which has a pass-through to another connector that resembles the one above but they call it a vga port. see it here: http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l296/Dimitri_P/2007/4-22/pic145q.jpg so, now, what cable will I need to get to hook my notebook with or without docking station (It seems the port on my notebook just passes through to the docking station which replicates the ports) .so I can plunk it down next to my tv and watch a movie from the computer (I have some in various formats .avi, wmv .many are VGA so they will show nicely). I see there appears to be some cr*p-ware out there in this vein .maybe someone has some experience with this? Oh yeah, since my TV (PAL) has a VGA port, how come I can't just get a simple video cable and hook it up as if it were a monitor and watch the movie (I understand I would likely need an audio cable too).?? Thanks! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Broadband Speeds Map
I am flummoxed. First they promote the over the air digital TV signal and make you go out and get converters so you don't hafta buy a new TV ...then you find out you only get 2 channels where you live (I have a 30' tower with uhf/vhf antenna 1h road south of Philadelphia ...no mountains here). The converters sit on a shelf. Then you find out cable TV (I was proud never to have subscribed in my life) is expensive, but if you moan they offer a cheap alternative. The 20yr old overhead wire is what they want to use. I was never a customer, and they didn't know it was even there, so I cut it down. At least for my installation money I got a good high speed wire. Then they install using a contractor who blew my fuses and I threw him out. They sent a Comcast guy (looked a little like the guy on the ad) who finished the job. Lucky I have a basement most of the way but he still drilled a hole and stuck a wire outside to get to my home/office. Then he fiddled and fussed to! get miserable DSL speed cable net. I fixed that by getting a splitter that gives more of the signal to the modem and less to the one TV we have. Over the air we received 3 different PBS stations which was great! Now one disappeared (the best one, WYBE). Most of the channels are ads for knives or coins or phone sex. Then there are a half a dozen religious channels; none are my brand. All this for $25 which was for a year and now is up to $37. We get 5 networks and PBS and C-span ...the history channel is fuzzy. So, with fees and taxes we pay $500/year for less than what we had for free Now we are gonna get broadband whether we like it or not. Maybe they could bundle it with health-care. I think people may think I'm impersonating Andy Rooney. -Original Message- From: b_s-wilk [mailto:b1sun...@yahoo.es] Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 11:44 PM Subject: Re: Broadband Speeds Map Can't speak for others, but I am on an account with Rogers Cable Systems in Ontario that gets me consistently up to 25 Mbps speed. And there is an account type that is one higher than that which tops out at 50. Mind you it doesn't;t come cheap but there it is. How much does Rogers Cable charge or 25 and 50 Mbps service? In Canadian dollars? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] play video from laptop to TV
My TV is lenco dtv-2421 Description/detail: TFT/LCD DVD combination/screen diagonal: 61 cm/sceen size: 24 tariff/display format: 16:9/dissolution: 1,920 x of 1,080 pixels/hp ready/Full hp/integrated devices: DVD player/connections: HDMI, VGA (PC entrance), SCART, S-video-entrance, component entrance (YUV)/rendition formats: CD, DVD, VCD, S-VCD, HDCD, MP3, WMA, JPEG/weight: 6.14 kg/power output: 2 x 3 Watt/screen menu OSD/data sheet indicate My Laptop is IBM Thinkpad X31 Has USB2 and also has a monitor connector on the back (15 pins in 3 rows of 5 slightly offset) which can be seen here: http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/x31monitcon.gif I place the x31 in an x3 ultrabase which has a pass-through to another connector that resembles the one above but they call it a vga port. see it here: http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l296/Dimitri_P/2007/4-22/pic145q.jpg so, now, what cable will I need to get to hook my notebook with or without docking station (It seems the port on my notebook just passes through to the docking station which replicates the ports) .so I can plunk it down next to my tv and watch a movie from the computer (I have some in various formats .avi, wmv .many are VGA so they will show nicely). Thanks! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Wozniak solves two iPhone problems
I have an IPAQ 3635 from 2001 that already multitasks many apps with PocketPC2002 and can take a cellphone card. I have a Motosurf a3100 wm6.1 fone that will run numerous tasks while talking, gps'ing, and wifi'ing and bluetooth'ing and whatever all at the same time. What is the big deal about that? -Original Message- From: David K Watson [mailto:davidkirkwat...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 1:26 PM Subject: Re: Wozniak solves two iPhone problems Very good, except that looking something up while talking on the phone is one of the kinds of multitasking that iPhones do. Apparently Woz hasn't seen the commercials. Of course he says I have two iPhones, a [Google] Nexus One, a [Motorola] Droid, plus a Garmin [GPS] and TomTom [GPS]. I turn them all on at the same time, plus the navigation system in my Prius. So he's not just a belt-and-suspenders kind of guy, he's more like a two-pairs-of-pants-with-belts-and-suspenders kind of guy. From:Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com Subject: Wozniak solves two iPhone problems Woz has found a single solution to iPhone's lack of multitasking AND its short battery life: Yeah. I just have two iPhones, so if the battery runs down on the first one, I can use the other. And if I'm talking on one, I can use the other one to look something up. You would not believe how much use I get out of that. It's so EASY. Why didn't everyone think of this? http://www.newsweek.com/id/235567 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Wozniak solves two iPhone problems
Well, if he has his ipad with him and has an accident, he can't take a picture with it !! -Original Message- From: Stewart Marshall [mailto:revsamarsh...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 2:04 PM Subject: Re: Wozniak solves two iPhone problems No he is the atypical multitasker they were talking about on the TV and radio the other day. Not sure I would want to be close to him on the highway. Stewart At 12:25 PM 4/1/2010, you wrote: Very good, except that looking something up while talking on the phone is one of the kinds of multitasking that iPhones do. Apparently Woz hasn't seen the commercials. Of course he says I have two iPhones, a [Google] Nexus One, a [Motorola] Droid, plus a Garmin [GPS] and TomTom [GPS]. I turn them all on at the same time, plus the navigation system in my Prius. So he's not just a belt-and-suspenders kind of guy, he's more like a two-pairs-of-pants-with-belts-and-suspenders kind of guy. From:Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com Subject: Wozniak solves two iPhone problems Woz has found a single solution to iPhone's lack of multitasking AND its short battery life: Yeah. I just have two iPhones, so if the battery runs down on the first one, I can use the other. And if I'm talking on one, I can use the other one to look something up. You would not believe how much use I get out of that. It's so EASY. Why didn't everyone think of this? http://www.newsweek.com/id/235567 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Runs Out of iPads
I think they musta run outa the ipads cuz they are saving the parts for verII which will have a camera and maybe a handle to keep from dropping it and maybe a battery you can replace ...d'oh!! -Original Message- From: David K Watson [mailto:davidkirkwat...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 1:23 PM Subject: Re: Apple Runs Out of iPads I got a kick from this item on the article Mike linked to: Typing accurately and quickly on the iPad's wide on-screen keyboard was ** perectly ** comfortable and fast. [emphasis mine] I guess the review wasn't typed on an iPad then. Here is another review roundup http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36133799/ns/technology_and_science-tech_and_gad gets/ Generally speaking the reviews are quite positive. From:tjpa t...@tjpa.com Subject: Re: Apple Runs Out of iPads On Apr 1, 2010, at 10:45 AM, mike wrote: A fairly concise list of pos/negs found in major reviews of the ipad from the mac fan bois set of reviewers. Most aspects seem to cover what was already covered here Can't trust those folks at PC Magazine. They are always running down PCs and boosting everything Apple... sure they are. Pogue did the most sensible thing, he went bi-polar on us: he wrote one review for techies and one for non-techies. He starts off with a test of which one to read... Read the first one if you,re a techie. (How do you know? Take this simple test. Do you use BitTorrent? Do you run Linux? Do you have more e-mail addresses than pants? You,re a techie.) http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/01/technology/personaltech/01pogue.html?src=m v * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cellphone choices [WAS It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing}
Hey, rev...on what earth are you...it doesn't take the time to get it home to be outdated since it is sold with an outdated sticker on the box already... -Original Message- From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 12:05 PM Subject: Re: Cellphone choices [WAS It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing} It can be. Has been going on for decades. I remember when I used the Commodore 64. Went to a tech show at the Ex. (Exhibition center in Toronto) They showed some programs for the 64 that built on Word Pro and did many neat and wonderful things in that day. Fonts, double column printing etc. I cant remember the name of the company but they were out of Salinas Kansas, and their Word processor was exactly what I wanted. Releasing next March, yeah right. Took almost a year to get the program if I remember and I called them a few times about it. The industry has had a habit of teasing about stuff, and being very vague about when it will come out. One thing has stuck with me for a long time. How long is a nanosecond? The length of time it takes you to get your new system home and when it becomes outdated! Stewart At 10:46 AM 4/1/2010, you wrote: So, Rev. are you accusing the entire tech industry of being a tease? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Yeah but for those trying to make a decision on what their next phone will be it is disheartening. Do I don't I when? There is a word for folks like that it is called a tease. And sooner or later teasers get theirs back. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cellphone choices [WAS It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing}
gear extinction is currently measured in picoseconds, rev ...get with the program ...everything is REVved up!! ;^) -Original Message- From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 3:35 PM To: rleesimon Cc: 'Computer Guys Discussion List' Subject: RE: Cellphone choices [WAS It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing} OK so I was thinking of a time just longer than a Nanosecond. :-) Stewart At 01:35 PM 4/1/2010, rleesimon wrote: Hey, rev...on what earth are you...it doesn't take the time to get it home to be outdated since it is sold with an outdated sticker on the box already... Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cellphone choices [WAS It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing}
Ah ...patronage lives, I presume ? ...you deal in Eternity !! ...can I get a price quote in $US or even in € if you have any absolutions available in the EU ?? LOL !! -Original Message- From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 4:00 PM To: rleesimon Cc: 'Computer Guys Discussion List' Subject: RE: Cellphone choices [WAS It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing} Remember I deal in Eternity by trade. :-) Stewart * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cellphone choices [WAS It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing}
6.66€ ...is that good? -Original Message- From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 5:27 PM To: rleesimon Cc: 'Computer Guys Discussion List' Subject: RE: Cellphone choices [WAS It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing} Depends on how much you are talking? :-) 6 figures works for my church. Stewart At 04:13 PM 4/1/2010, rleesimon wrote: Ah ...patronage lives, I presume ? ...you deal in Eternity !! ...can I get a price quote in $US or even in € if you have any absolutions available in the EU ?? LOL !! -Original Message- From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 4:00 PM To: rleesimon Cc: 'Computer Guys Discussion List' Subject: RE: Cellphone choices [WAS It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing} Remember I deal in Eternity by trade. :-) Stewart Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Wozniak solves two iPhone problems
Woz solves 2ifone problems for me from the getgo ...no battery change, no handle to keep from dropping it on the tarmac ...done deal !! -Original Message- From: David K Watson [mailto:davidkirkwat...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 5:56 PM Subject: Re: Wozniak solves two iPhone problems I was talking about these commercials: http://www.apple.com/iphone/gallery/ads/ Which do show users finding a restaurant, ordering flowers, etc. while talking. I haven't seen ATT explicitly selling iPhones, except for banner ads at their stores. This is probably a strategy that they coordinated with Apple, who after all has an even greater stake in selling the iPhones than ATT has, and likes to go to great lengths to protect its image. And ATT does sell the iPhone indirectly, as in the parody of the Folgers Coffee Crystals ads (We've secretly replaced these diners' ATT smart phones with Verizon's smart phones. Let's see what happens.), where for example subjects of the experiment angrily ask Where are all my apps? and Where is my cool phone?. And in the other restaurant commercial where Luke Wilson helps a dad in the next booth to calm his upset kid by lending him a phone showing a movie Luke just downloaded, I don't know what the phone is that is actually used (no manufacturer branding on it, it's probably a mock-up of a generic touchscreen), but it could certainly be mistaken for an iPhone. On Apr 1, 2010, at 2:47 PM, COMPUTERGUYS-L automatic digest system wrote: From:katan ka...@his.com Subject: Re: Wozniak solves two iPhone problems On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 13:25:31 -0400, David K Watson wrote: Very good, except that looking something up while talking on the phone is one of the kinds of multitasking that iPhones do. Apparently Woz hasn't seen the commercials. I know the ATT commercials show people talking and surfing in tandem, but do the iPhone commercials? I don't think I've ever seen an ATT commercial where any one is using an iPhone. Kind of odd, IMO. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] what DVD-R to buy
I will need to make DVDs from AVI to watch on a typical TV DVD player both in the US Region I and in Belgium Region II where I have a built in DVD Region II player and a stand alone DVD player region free. What disks should I purchase to have the greatest ease of both recording the DVDs and playing them .what I am looking for is DVD-R or DVD+R or DVD-RW or DVD+RW .I will NOT archive with them for the most part, but will watch and re-record, but I may make a few to give to family members who do NOT have a DVD recorder so I will want some record once types for that. Advice? I have IBM DVD recorder and WinDVD creator etc. that came with it.tia! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband
PROBLEM is there have emerged competitors to nationalized TV,phone,net service (Belgacom) but not available for all 3 outside population areas ...still stuck with Belgacom ...wifi 3g also only in population areas or else I would gladly dispense with cable internet and use wifi ...too bad. All their internet options are volume limited. There is a big stink in Belgium over the high price of internet of all flavors. One thing though...cellular phone service is available pegged 5 bars 2g or 3g every square inch of that country ...even in the woods!! -Original Message- From: b_s-wilk [mailto:b1sun...@yahoo.es] Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 11:51 PM Subject: Re: Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband rleesimon rleesi...@gmail.com escribió: Cellular internet in Belgium is around $90/mo and only around major cities do you get 3g ...the land line internet is around $60/mo with basic TV (around 50 channels) and is DSL speed ...not that fast ...it is transited over the phone lines ...now they are saying it is bumped to 4down1up for only $2 more a month ...we'll see... I can get a prepaid SIM card for 3G data from Vodafone in Spain, 250 MB, 29 euros; 400 MB, 49 euros. Fits in phone or PC card adapter for notebooks. Good for basic surfing while traveling. For phones with WiFi, the basic 3G service is all you need. Haven't been in Belgium since before mobiles. Home broadband is cheaper in France. Cellular internet in many countries is with prepaid cards, not monthly plans, and is often cheaper that way. Home service is usually cheaper by the month, depending on the country. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband
Cellular internet in Belgium is around $90/mo and only around major cities do you get 3g ...the land line internet is around $60/mo with basic TV (around 50 channels) and is DSL speed ...not that fast ...it is transited over the phone lines ...now they are saying it is bumped to 4down1up for only $2 more a month ...we'll see... -Original Message- From: phartz...@gmail.com [mailto:phartz...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 8:36 AM Subject: Re: Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 11:15 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: IMAGINE that for $33 a month you could buy Internet service twice as fast as what you get from Verizon or Comcast, bundled with digital high-definition television, unlimited long distance and international calling to 70 countries and wireless Internet connectivity for your laptop or smartphone throughout much of the country. That's what you can buy in France, and similar speeds and prices are available in other countries with competitive markets. But not in the United States. Prices here are three to five times that much for the fastest speeds - the highest prices among advanced economies. Well, what would you expect to pay in the nation that describes and prides itself as being the wealthiest in the world and the best at doing everything? How much would an addict pay to get that hit? Whatever amount that is, that is what they'll be made to pay. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] noPad4me
They want the $100 bucks regularly too... If the battery lasts 2 yrs, your unit cost goes up by 20% to keep it longer!! -Original Message- From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [mailto:revsamarsh...@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 8:40 PM Subject: Re: noPad4me There is another reason behind this. Every manufacture is stuck with units that get returned, have minor problems and need fixes. What do you do with all these refurbished items? You can sell them on the secondary market, or you can recycle them by requiring units with dead batteries get returned and sending out refurbed units. Just make sure you do a backup and remember what your settings are. By not putting your refurbs on the secondary market you keep the price higher and control the market for your device. Sounds just like Apple. Stewart At 07:24 PM 3/15/2010, you wrote: The apple offer to replace the ipad with another one if the battery doesn't hold a charge for $100 is a joke .so you get some refurb someone else slimed upon .why does everything else accommodate a battery change that you can get from china via ebay for around $5 and apple needs to have their thing back and give you another one someone turned in. It's a horrible idea! Now, that ipad could have had an induction charge that would have lead to charge stations in your car's dashboard or airport waiting areas or starbukks .apple is not so ahead after all.is it? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] PDF creation application
It was all wp4 or 5 and lotus 123 ...ah the good old days of fartzin'around with equations ... Self employment has one advantage... (the only one) -Original Message- From: Wayne Dernoncourt [mailto:way...@panix.com] Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 8:55 PM To: rleesimon Subject: RE: PDF creation application rleesimon I loved wp... had such cool features ...like (of course in the late 1980s) could do delete from here to end of sentence which was a revelation back then... My job rarely lets me pick what software I use for some tasks... but I also preferred WP over Word, Excel is pretty good though. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] noPad4me
Even easier ...don't buy the ipad... -Original Message- From: Fred Holmes [mailto:f...@his.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 5:27 PM Subject: Re: noPad4me At 10:02 PM 3/15/2010, b_s-wilk wrote: This is easy. The iPad is a giant iPod Touch. We can open up the Touch to change the battery. Why not the iPad? The biggest problem is finding a source for the right battery, instead of a cheap copy. The battery could cost $50 [the $5 one is worth 90% less], spudger is less than $5, and you save the rest by doing it yourself, just like any other computer repair. We'll have to see who has OEM batteries. That leaves you with $52 for a nice dinner and a bottle of wine. The $50 battery is making money on the blades. Fred Holmes * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Is Verizon giving up on building out FIOS?
fios ...yeah, right! Years ago a bunch of trucks came down our little private lane serving 10+ homes (now 12) and strung fiberoptic cable on the poles ...there it sits. We are too far from the switching point to get DSL. After many years boasting proudly that I had never been a cable customer, and after finding the WalMart special got me exactly 2 digital channels off of my 40' tower with antenna (being only 1h by car from Philadelphia and having had a whole bunch of channels from NJ, PA, DE, and MD before the digital debacle), now we have comcast internet (slow speed) and the cheapest TV (which is almost nothing). I find this annoying when our town is 3.5 miles from the county seat where FIOS is in place for all the inner city folks. Isn't there something wrong here? -Original Message- From: Roger D. Parish [mailto:rogerd.par...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 7:42 PM Subject: Re: Is Verizon giving up on building out FIOS? At 9:39 AM -0400 3/16/10, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: The article states that the bean counters are waiting for government to pony up for further FIOS deployments. If you don't have it yet you may be out of luck. http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/So-Is-This-Where-Verizons-FiOS-Deploymen t-Ends-107342 http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100312/1855128547.shtml -- But in a comment to the TechDirt report, http://www.techdirt.com/article.php?sid=20100312/1855128547#c166 a Verizon spokesman said: by Bob Varettoni I am a spokesperson for Verizon. Just a few points: Verizon said it would spend $23 billion for FiOS deployment through the end of this year -- and we're meeting that commitment. That's about $22 billion and change more than any other company in America will have actually spent by the end of this year in bringing ultra-fast fiber-based broadband directly to homes. We have additional commitments to build out FiOS in certain jurisdictions beyond 2010 that we will also meet. Our focus now is on making our FiOS network available for sale -- and selling FiOS services! -- to all the homes we have passed (there's still additional work to be done after a home is passed -- to provide TV, for example, we need a local franchise). -- Roger Lovettsville, VA * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband
Wing nuts want to provide broad band via those stinkin' ugly wires around all over the place. Finally, all that hardware gets jammed up with every neighbor downloadin' his daily dose of porn. The way to get broadband out is multivalent approaches where some get wires, some get over the electric grid, some get wireless from hotspots on the telephone poles, some get cellular, some get satellite! ...it should be a concerted effort based on evaluation of what is the most effective way and what the burden is to the existing infrastructure as a factor of cost of expanding that bandwidth as compared with a new channel. But, of course, this would be the government deciding this so graft and no-bid contracts and under the table stuff would be the biggest player; isn't it always?? -Original Message- From: tjpa [mailto:t...@tjpa.com] Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 5:49 PM Subject: Re: Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband On Mar 15, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Anyone want to talk about New Orleans and the aftermath of Katrina. (Problems essentially caused by fouled up Corps of Engineers projects.) If the wingnut propaganda were true, this would not have happened. The government would have soaked us for lots of dough to build huge bulwarks against the elements -- just like they built in Holland. Instead the bulwarks were under funded and under engineered, following the don't tax me mantra of the wingnuts. And the poor response afterwards was run by wingnuts too. Remember You are doing a fine job Brownie.? In the years prior FEMA had been gutted. The professionals had been pushed out and replaced by pols and frat brothers. This was a wingnut operation through and through. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] PDF creation application
I use this frequently http://download.cnet.com/PDF995-Printer-Driver/3000-6675_4-10068482.html . It just puts a pdf printer on your list and you print to it. It, for the freeware, opens an ad to view in a browser window each time. It is no biggie for me and you can just close the ad right away. The function of the print out is instantaneous and the quality is great. You get a save-to dialog and that's it!! In the past I have used http://download.cnet.com/CutePDF-Writer/3000-6675_4-10206470.html?tag=mncol; pop which was good and has a bunch of features. I don't need features. -Original Message- From: Wayne Dernoncourt [mailto:way...@panix.com] Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 5:46 PM Subject: PDF creation application I've showed my wife how to use PDF Creator, it seems to have at least a few limitations: - has to be run as an Administrator - it only will print one page, there's no error message, it's just that nothing happens until you cancel the print job and get a dialog and get a single page I did print out an 8 page document on Valeries PC one page at a time, transfer them to the Mac with a stick and then used my Mac to combine them into one file. Obviously this is horrible. Does anyone have a good, inexpensive piece of PDF file creation s/w that doesn't need admin priv's, etc. -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly Back Up My Hard Drive? I Can't Find The Reverse Switch! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] RIM on the Brink
I have only had one palm device ...a Palm IIIc ...wonderful device ...very nice for carrying around a database I needed professionally ...had good battery life ...could be backed up via an aftermarket thing that plugged into its port and had a storage subroutine ...had a snap on camera ...it was ahead of the curve for its time ...yet, I simultaneously had an IPAQ 3635 (same as 3650) which had windowsCE ...made the palm look like a toy... meanwhile, my bro had a thing shaped like a PCMCIA card but had a screen and keys and functioned as a PIM when pulled out of the computer...very cool and ahead of its time too!! ...with that baby talk o/s, I am not at all surprised it is going under ...just amazed it lasted this long. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] AVG free update attack?
I use avast ...it works fine ...no ads ...updates are unobtrusive, but the voice that announces it was annoying so I edited the .wav file to keep just the ding and it works great... -Original Message- From: Tony B [mailto:ton...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 3:56 PM Subject: Re: AVG free update attack? Who knows. These days I use and recommend MS Security Essentials. It too has to update occasionally, but it's nowhere near as annoying as any of the other free AVs that try to use the occasion for advertising. On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 12:40 PM, John Emmerling jpemmerl...@gmail.comwrote: I have installed AVG free on my computer and my wife's computer. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] PDF creation application
I loved wp... had such cool features ...like (of course in the late 1980s) could do delete from here to end of sentence which was a revelation back then... -Original Message- From: Wayne Dernoncourt [mailto:way...@panix.com] Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 7:31 PM Subject: Re: PDF creation application John Duncan Yoyo Open Office lets you print directly to PDF and it is free. I shoulda mentioned that she's firmly stuck in the 1980's and uses WordPerfect. She's talking about moving to Word but _really_ doesn't want to. She uses WP for everything including file management. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] noPad4me
The apple offer to replace the ipad with another one if the battery doesn't hold a charge for $100 is a joke .so you get some refurb someone else slimed upon .why does everything else accommodate a battery change that you can get from china via ebay for around $5 and apple needs to have their thing back and give you another one someone turned in. It's a horrible idea! Now, that ipad could have had an induction charge that would have lead to charge stations in your car's dashboard or airport waiting areas or starbukks .apple is not so ahead after all.is it? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]
But, oh, so easy to lose in the snap of a finger ...viz ...spitzer/Paterson in ny and so many who we remember well back to tricky dick!! -Original Message- From: Jeff Miles [mailto:jmile...@charter.net] Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 4:57 AM Subject: Re: Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability] While I agree with you on most things I've seen you write, here I think you're semi-deluded. Some very young politicians might go in with altruistic thoughts and ideals, I believe many stay for the benefits and the power and prestige. Somethings hard to give up once you've got them. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal
It's dirt simple. The right to privacy in the home was breached. Looking at children via webcam or otherwise in a state of undress or susceptible to be so is illegal. They did it and the fact one student was sanctioned for having misbehaved on camera proves that. The thing has devolved into a money issue for parents property values and for the school system fearing a money judgment as well as diminishment of their upper crust reputation leading to high placement of graduates in gold star colleges/universities. What is lost in all this by having it play out as a civil matter is the constitutional issue. It should be handled criminally IMHO. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought
I faced this dilemma in late 2004 when my trusty win95 Toshiba laptop which I loved was too skimpy on max 20mb memory to go forth (that laptop had a scsi port on the back, very forward looking for the day, allowing me to attach an external zip drive that gave me lots of storage...I can still see my almost 100 zip disks). I agonized over the new and expensive laptops finally settling on a refurbished IBM x31 notebook with pIV1.4 250mbRAM/40gbHDD with some legacy ports (EPP,Serial) but also the latest/greatest (2xUSB2,SD) and some I never used (firewire4pin) with winXPpro. Thence I have upgraded now to 2gbRAM and 120gbHDD (both of which I got on eBay and installed in minutes myself). I still use this all the time and have taken it all over using it in both the USA and the EU (wifi gets me online everywhere). It was cheap and has stood the test of time; the vendor was certified IBM and it was, on receipt, indistinguishable from brand new. The original battery still gives good service. It still looks brand new; screen is bright and all pixels are good. I bought 2 docking stations for both sides of the Atlantic (eBay again...cheap) each having a DVDR which can accommodate many other devices as well, and now carry a WDPassport500gb external HDD for music and backup. I don't think it would run Windows7...who cares? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Help - computer seems infected, going crazy!
I usta hafta reinstall xp a few times a year ...now after dumping that silly Norton and starting to use Avast FREE version I have no longer had any trouble for a long time... -Original Message- From: David D Odell [mailto:waffenf...@atlanticbb.net] Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 7:14 AM Subject: Re: Help - computer seems infected, going crazy! This d...@#$d virus or trojan has been around for a while. This thing disguises itself as a Windows Firewall and even puts a pseudo Microsoft shield in the notification area. It takes over completely and won't let system restore run properly. I have had to do complete Windows reinstalls on several friends' computers. It hit mine, but I caught it in time and was able to do a system restore. I have not tried Bit Defender; if you can get it from another computer, try that first and you may not have to do the complete reinstall. I would strongly suggest trying to backup any irreplaceable files (photos, etc). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability
NASA is learning the ropes ...they just installed an observation deck ...stargazing platform for well heeled space tourists?? -Original Message- From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [mailto:revsamarsh...@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 9:46 PM Subject: Re: FCC head calls for broadband availability In the early years. All the astronauts were active duty military folks. NASA and the Military have been closely linked. Not a bad thing. Now do not get me wrong I do not see anything wrong with NASA being intimately linked with our military I do not consider military a bad thing. (I better not, one brother retired LTC, I am an Honorably discharged Vet, and my youngest is a PV1 (SPC soon) and my son-in-law an AFC.) Stewart At 08:22 PM 2/19/2010, you wrote: Not unless you know something the rest of us don't. I need to concede that we have satellites that monitor stuff. But Star Wars? No. And what does NASA and the constitution have to do with each other? Or did I forget that McDonalds and the constitution thing? Ok, McDonalds is a corp. and NASA is government financed. So what's the USFS and the constitution have to do with each other? Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Feb 19, 2010, at 3:49 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: You mean we don't? Stewart At 05:34 PM 2/19/2010, you wrote: I'm sorry, but you'll have to explain that. NASA and the constitution? What the hell are you thinking? One had nothing to do with the other, thank God. If it did we'd have military in space. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Password Keeper == Login King -- thoughts?
That brings to mind, how come banks (now they use 2 different passwords and a pictogram for the most part) don't give you a teaser email reminding you, periodically, to change your password... that would be a nice service. -Original Message- From: Tony B [mailto:ton...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 8:44 PM Subject: Re: Password Keeper == Login King -- thoughts? No, clipboard entry is no more secure than typing on the keyboard since it uses the same routines. Virtual keyboards such as you describe can help. Roboform has the option to use one for my master password, but it's usually just cumbersome enough that I don't bother with it. But I would if I was at a public hotspot. Some people may be able to use paper, especially if they never log in from more than one computer. I run a few websites with Administrator privledges, so I can't be that lackadaisical. I have it set so our staff (myself included) has to change passwords every few months. And I always use strong passwords. I can't even remember my gmail password, and I routinely need that when logging in from my laptop from the road. On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 8:16 PM, Fred Holmes f...@his.com wrote: At 03:38 PM 2/20/2010, tjpa wrote: For anything financial or attached to a credit card I use better passwords and I keep this list on paper. It is a short list. I've heard that, at least in the past, it's better to do a secure copy/paste of a password than to type it in with the keyboard. Apparently the clipboard is more secure. Keyloggers abound. Anybody have the real scoop on this. One of my banks requires the password to be entered on an on-screen graphic of a keyboard, using the mouse to press the keystroke. I guess they figure that this is even more compromise-proof. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Creepy or what?
FBI is all over them like a (their own maybe) cheap suit !! -Original Message- From: mike [mailto:xha...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 6:15 PM Subject: Re: Creepy or what? Anyone involved in this scam should be fired, simple. On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 4:00 PM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 10:33 AM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.com wrote: Apple offers the ability to take a picture remotely if your laptop is stolen to make it easier to recover which I think is what the district was claiming it was doing. Not correct. That school had never used the cameras in the laptops that had been distributed to the students in any attempt to recover a stolen or misplaced computer. They were using it to 'spy' on at least one student, and perhaps upon many more. The laptop involved in this incident had not been reported as having been stolen. The student who is known to have been spied upon was hauled into the principal's office and was to be disciplined by the school for 'inappropriate behavior' even though the alleged behavior took place in the boy's home, not in the school. The school had taken at least one photo, by remote control, of the student, who is about 15, and the charge against him was illegal drug use and suspicion of intent to sell and distribute drugs. The drug involved? As it turns out, it was candy that the student was eating. Had the school not blown its cover by informing the student that they had taken a photo of him by way of his laptop, it is likely that this spying would still be continuing. The FBI is now investigating. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cell phone radiated power
Here you go .you should all get this thing .it's gonna cook yer brainz !! http://www.ismashphone.com/2009/01/cellmate-headset-keeps-cell-phone-at-your -ear-if-it-really-exists-that-is.html You are guaranteed to be a veritable yoyo in as little as a week (depending on how much brain you still have before you start) ...now this is a class action lawsuit in the works if I've ever seen one ...is this thing the newest offering from Johns Manville? -Original Message- From: John Duncan Yoyo [mailto:johnduncany...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 1:03 AM Subject: Re: Cell phone radiated power There was a lengthy (for Popular Science) article on this this month. On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:02 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 11:21 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Oh no! Here we go again. Microwave RF can most certainly damage human cells. If you can defeat the safety switch, stick your hand into a microwave oven and turn it on if you think this is but an urban myth. Of course, cell phones produce such RF at far lower power, but the FCC decided to limit the amount of RF absorption levels in the interest of public safety. Would cell phone providers like to be able to radiate at higher power levels? Probably so, because they could then get by with fewer cell tower sites if for no other reason. However, the FCC, in conjunction with the FDA, determined what was perceived to be a safe level and mandated that it not be exceeded by cell phone handsets. No one here on this list has said, to the best of my knowledge, that cell phone use has been proven to cause any health problems other than by killing and injuring folks when they crash their cars while using one or hurt themselves by falling over or running into things as they walk about talking or playing games on them. There is more than enough danger right there. The facts of the matter are as originally stated. Make you own decisions. If you want aluminum foil, be my guest. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cell phone radiated power
http://zapatopi.net/afdb/ together with http://www.cell-mateus.com/aboutcell-mate.html ...let's start an investment fund!! -Original Message- From: John Duncan Yoyo [mailto:johnduncany...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 1:03 AM Subject: Re: Cell phone radiated power There was a lengthy (for Popular Science) article on this this month. On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:02 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 11:21 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Oh no! Here we go again. Microwave RF can most certainly damage human cells. If you can defeat the safety switch, stick your hand into a microwave oven and turn it on if you think this is but an urban myth. Of course, cell phones produce such RF at far lower power, but the FCC decided to limit the amount of RF absorption levels in the interest of public safety. Would cell phone providers like to be able to radiate at higher power levels? Probably so, because they could then get by with fewer cell tower sites if for no other reason. However, the FCC, in conjunction with the FDA, determined what was perceived to be a safe level and mandated that it not be exceeded by cell phone handsets. No one here on this list has said, to the best of my knowledge, that cell phone use has been proven to cause any health problems other than by killing and injuring folks when they crash their cars while using one or hurt themselves by falling over or running into things as they walk about talking or playing games on them. There is more than enough danger right there. The facts of the matter are as originally stated. Make you own decisions. If you want aluminum foil, be my guest. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Creepy or what?
Somebody hasta make the kiddie porn... some schools must have creative financing... -Original Message- From: phartz...@gmail.com [mailto:phartz...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:54 PM Subject: Creepy or what? Parents: school used webcam to spy on our kid at home By Jacqui Cheng | Last updated February 18, 2010 12:23 PM School-issued laptops are becoming more and more common these days, but thanks to the action of one high school, students and parents might have second thoughts about bringing them home. The parents of a Pennsylvania high school student, Blake J. Robbins, have filed a lawsuit against his school district after discovering that school officials had allegedly been remotely accessing the laptop in order to take webcam photos of the students at home. There are a number of unanswered questions about this story, but if true, it could mean serious penalties for the Lower Merion School District. http://tinyurl.com/yfb4ujl * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cell phone radiated power
...you mean the name should be dumbphones ?? -Original Message- From: phartz...@gmail.com [mailto:phartz...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 5:55 PM Subject: Re: Cell phone radiated power On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: As Bob Park likes to say, Albert Einstein won the Nobel Prize in 1905 for showing that cell phones can't cause cancer. It seems to me that cell phone-related cancer is what's mostly rejected out of hand. Mostly that is what was said, but countless others said and adhered to the mantra that there was no effect at all. But, to now be seeming to rejoice in the claims of tremendous medical benefits of cell phone radiation seems like grasping at straws to me. I never once ever heard anyone suggest that radiation from phones would eventually be shown to be beneficial. Indeed, this is but one sole study that already has many debunkers. It does, however, appear to compound the evidence that suggests that cell phone emissions of RF are likely to generate changes at the molecular level in brain tissue. I'm kinda happy with my brain as it is, but thanks anyway. The point of my initial post was not to stir up the debate about cancer, but just to point out that smart phones are designed to emit a lot more microwave RF than do regular cell phones. Can anyone explain why that is the case? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What's wrong with Android
I think there are quite a few articles recently portraying a micro$oft smartfone push with a zunelike interface on the horizon ...I think apple has lotsa flare with its latest foray into ifone/ipad etc. but it is not a good idea, imho, to ignore m$ (the sleeping giant) with the longstanding windowsCE/PocketPC/WindowsMobile project ...I just bought my first new fone since 2004 in late 2009 and it was a windowsMobile6.1 motorola which works great and is easy to use and a pleasure to carry as it does everything I want with full featured office apps, carousel interface, speech apps (reads sms out loud, tells alerts like battery is low, gives gps directions with aplomb, plays music/movies/youtube, is fast and reliable, syncs without any difficulty at all, and runs a multitude of add-on apps for which I have yet to pay 1cent!! ...am I missing something here? I hafta confess I have never held an android fone. I did hold my brother's ifone and, as an inveterate 1 hand user, it seems to be a 2hand device for sure ...my fone can be 1handed for the most part and has a voice input (albeit still somewhat clunky) and a jog ball... are we really expected to believe we will all become apples soon? -Original Message- From: tjpa [mailto:t...@tjpa.com] Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 4:58 PM Subject: Re: What's wrong with Android On Feb 18, 2010, at 2:56 PM, chad evans wyatt wrote: OK, and I'll ask you to come clean: for you, the horizon is local, and others ought emulate that satisfaction. I hold the US to a higher standard, we fall behind the rest of the world in our panting acquiescence. The reliability of our phone networks - let alone the clarity of audio - is pitiable. Our broadband - isn't. Not sure, but I do believe you've made this point as economic factor in global economy, to which we are now wed - except when scoring parochial points. The question was simple. The answer was simple, and correct. You try to change the question and then attack the answer. It doesn't work that way. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cars and the CES...
Let the bumper cars game begin!! Wasn't there one company who wanted to put a holographic overlay on the windshield so you could drive and surf at the same time?? In this area, you can get a full ticket (not a secondary offense) for using the fone or having the phone in your hand (must be speakerphone or hands free and must be put down somewhere) ...they instituted the law and many thousands of tickets have been written but just about half or more of the drivers I encounter on the road have their cell glued to their ear with their hand to it ...especially school bus drivers, oilgas truck drivers, teen girls in noisy cars, and just about every police car I see. The thing is out of control. A kid on a fone rear ended our car with whiplash to my wife and never got a ticket for it. Of course, the police chief of that town is now in jail for stealing money from a charity... Sometimes life is to ridiculous to live... -Original Message- From: phartz...@gmail.com [mailto:phartz...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 1:13 PM Subject: Cars and the CES... One of the bigger news stories coming out of the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas is the huge emphasis on the part of car makers to provide drivers with full blown internet connectivity while they are driving. Ford is pushing their Internet Dashboard which will let drivers Tweet, to update their Facebook page, write and receive e-mails, watch Youtube videos, search the internet, or do anything else that they would normally do while they safely sit at a desk at home. Critics say the auto industry must be deaf, dumb and blind to safety issues already made perfectly obvious by drivers who use their cell phones or other electronic devices while operating their vehicles, or do other things that distract them while behind the wheel. Critics are calling this a disaster in the making while the industry says they are just trying to sell cars by meeting the demands of consumers. Yeah, all my friends and acquaintances have been screaming bloody murder for years to be able to use the internet while driving, haven't yours? Steve -- WARNING: Due to a Presidential Executive Order, the National Security Agency may have read this email without warning, warrant or notice. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cars and the CES...
Anyone got Jupiter Jack? Is that thing any good? -Original Message- From: phartz...@gmail.com [mailto:phartz...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 1:13 PM Subject: Cars and the CES... One of the bigger news stories coming out of the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas is the huge emphasis on the part of car makers to provide drivers with full blown internet connectivity while they are driving. Ford is pushing their Internet Dashboard which will let drivers Tweet, to update their Facebook page, write and receive e-mails, watch Youtube videos, search the internet, or do anything else that they would normally do while they safely sit at a desk at home. Critics say the auto industry must be deaf, dumb and blind to safety issues already made perfectly obvious by drivers who use their cell phones or other electronic devices while operating their vehicles, or do other things that distract them while behind the wheel. Critics are calling this a disaster in the making while the industry says they are just trying to sell cars by meeting the demands of consumers. Yeah, all my friends and acquaintances have been screaming bloody murder for years to be able to use the internet while driving, haven't yours? Steve -- WARNING: Due to a Presidential Executive Order, the National Security Agency may have read this email without warning, warrant or notice. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Phones and guys, even Computer Guys
Sure...augering is a little ill chosen rhetoric ...but I have seen a pic of the fone and it sure fills a big hand and thensome ...hand sized tablets should be called that ...even my thinkpad x31 can function as a fone although it is not stylish up to my ear... -Original Message- From: phartz...@gmail.com [mailto:phartz...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 8:56 AM To: rleesimon Subject: Re: Phones and guys, even Computer Guys On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:43 PM, rleesimon rleesi...@gmail.com wrote: The new google fone is a big brick ...I have seen it described as a trough ...sounds like it's just what you are augerin'4 ...rush right down to your T-Mobile store to get on line... ha! Well, I was not arguing for it. I was just pointing out a little observation about guys and phones and testosterone. Portable phones are on their way to getting bigger. The manufacturers gotta find a way to sell new stuff. These phones are much like clothing styles in regards to how to sell more of them. Hemlines go up, then they go down, then they go up again. Earth tones are in, then earth tones are out, then back in again. I am sure that within a couple or so years, we will see cell phones being carried in shoulder bags as bag phones of the 70's and early 80's were, but they won't really be cell phones as much as they will be tablet computers being marketed as cell phones. Manufacturers will most assuredly come up with a new name for these things. They will also claim that they are only responding to consumer demand, as if consumers actually run and dictate policy to their design and engineering departments. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Wi-Fi foe sues neighbor for using electronics - The Santa Fe New Mexican
Aw, barb, be a sport, take the guy in... -Original Message- From: b_s-wilk [mailto:b1sun...@yahoo.es] Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 1:47 PM Subject: Wi-Fi foe sues neighbor for using electronics - The Santa Fe New Mexican Wi-Fi foe sues neighbor for using electronics Man says electromagnetic sensitivity has forced him to live in his car Tom Sharpe | The New Mexican Posted: Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 1/8/10 A Santa Fe man who says he suffers from electromagnetic sensitivity is suing his next-door neighbor for refusing to turn off her cell phone and other electronic devices...[He] cannot stay in a hotel, because hotels and motels all employ wi-fi connections, which trigger a severe illness, says the request for a preliminary injunction... http://www.santafenewmexican.com/Story/Wi-Fi-foe-sues-neighbor-for-using-electronics --- Maybe a tinfoil hat might help. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Fwd: [Slashdot] MagicJack Femtocell Gates Cell Traffic to VoIP
How about doing that with google voice? -Original Message- From: Michael Fernando [mailto:michael@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 2:41 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: [Slashdot] MagicJack Femtocell Gates Cell Traffic to VoIP Right now we are testing Skype's $5.95/mo one country deal. After only a few days my wife announced that we had already gotten our money's worth. We still have to place the call from our Mac, but it rings to a regular phone in Italy. In that case, what you want is the Skype To Go feature. Either with a subscription plan (which you have at 5.95/mo) or Skype credit, you can get a local phone number for free. You call that number from your home/office/cell phone and then get on the skype network to reach the destination number. That is a great way to make skype calls without a computer and with no extra fees. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Phones and guys, even Computer Guys
The new google fone is a big brick ...I have seen it described as a trough ...sounds like it's just what you are augerin'4 ...rush right down to your T-Mobile store to get on line... ha! -Original Message- From: phartz...@gmail.com [mailto:phartz...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 9:35 PM Subject: Phones and guys, even Computer Guys Anyone remember the Princess Phone? Remember how guys would have nothing to do with one of those. Guys would rather walk three blocks to a pay phone back in the day if their only other choice was to use a Princess Phone. Their problem? It was a size thing. No real guy was going to use a small little phone for anything other than throwing one across a room. These days, guys are obsessed with getting the teeniest, tiniest, most mini-demi Princessy Phone they can get their manicured hands on. Just an observation. So what happened? Steve -- WARNING: Due to a Presidential Executive Order, the National Security Agency may have read this email without warning, warrant or notice. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cell Phone Radiation Good for Your Brain
Now I understand why I have a good memory... like a rodent!! -Original Message- From: Fred Holmes [mailto:f...@his.com] Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 11:02 AM Subject: Re: Cell Phone Radiation Good for Your Brain This is a foul plot launched by the global warmists to demonstrate that scientists really do report what they find, even when it doesn't agree with expectations. Fred Holmes At 01:14 AM 1/7/2010, t.piwowar wrote: Could Your Cell Phone Help Shield You From Alzheimer's? - BusinessWeek http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/healthday/634709.html exposure to electromagnetic field prevented and even reversed brain impairment * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Droid/Eris questions
I found droid and brethren to be too big and square ...I like to one hand the fone and I opted for a slightly smaller screen device with great features and, the deal maker for me, triband 3g so I can use it in the EU as well as the USA (quad band 2g) ...it's the Motosurf a3100 ...I am accustomed to WindowsCE/PocketPC as I have an IPAQ PDA for years, so no learning curve for WindowsMobile6.1 ...I don't know if they will come out with WindowsMobile6.5 upgrade for this device which is androidish but Motorola made a today screen overlay which is great with pages to the side via carousel etc. -Original Message- From: mike [mailto:xha...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 11:35 PM Subject: Re: Droid/Eris questions Go into a store and use it a little bit, probably the best way to find out. I think verizon also had a deal, buy one eris get one free...and the eris is much cheaper. On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Andy Gallant a...@agallant.com wrote: Mike, thanks for the comments - much appreciated. In fact, because I did read a number of the many reviews, I wanted to ask and hear from the folks on this list, including how it feels to use the Droid keyboard, which many reviewers did not like. There's a lot of value here! -Andy On 1/2/2010 10:17 PM, mike wrote: /snip/ There are about four million reviews of the hardware on the droid, find a couple you trust (they are like movie reviewers) and read up. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MagicJack: a VoIP question
But it works by the laptop microphone and speakers without any device plugged into the phone jack …take it from me, I took MagicJack to the EU and no phone and it worked fine just like that!! -Original Message- From: Marcio [mailto:m...@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 12:49 AM Subject: Re: MagicJack: a VoIP question I am not sure how this can be done. In the Magic Jack devise there is an outlet for the phone line. Marcio -Original Message- From: rleesimon rleesi...@gmail.com Sent: Jan 2, 2010 5:30 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] MagicJack: a VoIP question If you plug in magic jack on computer, internal mic and spkr are all you need (I have IBM Thinkpad). Needs no fone. Dial on screen with mouse or via phonebook. -Original Message- From: Fred Holmes [mailto:f...@his.com] Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 9:21 PM Subject: Re: MagicJack: a VoIP question The most modern phone you have that works on POTS is a corded handset. I suspect one could also use a cordless handset, if one were to plug the base station into the MagicJack. (just as the base station is plugged into the RJ-11 wall outlet the same way that a corded handset is plugged into a wall outlet.) You just couldn't use a cordless handset by itself, without the base station. What the information is telling you is that the MagicJack does _not_ include its own handset. Nor does it use a headset (like Skype does). Nor does it use a USB speakerphone (like is available for Skype). It uses a POTS telephone, connected by the customary cord with an RJ-11 plug on the end. Anything that electrically looks like a POTS telephone connected with an RJ-11 plug should work. Dunno if it would accept pulse dialing, haven't tried it. But so much calling requires DTMF signalling for navigating menus that pulse dialing has limited use today anyway. Corded handset and rotary [pulsed] dial are two completely different concepts. Fred Holmes At 06:39 PM 1/1/2010, Robert Carroll wrote: (1) Information about MagicJack is appreciated. It seems from the CU description that a corded handset is needed -- I might be able to find buried in a closet an old rotary-dial phone for MagicJack (if I decide to get same) since all my land-line phones are cordless. Can MagicJack understand pulse dialing? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MagicJack: a VoIP question
The real usefulness of magicjack is you can register it at the area code in the USA you wish despite being somewhere else ...that way, anyone who calls you using the magic jack phone number from the us in that area code makes a usually free local call and you receive the call in Brazil or wherever you are without further fees at all. If you are in the USA and have family in Brazil who must call you, you can leave them your magic jack and they can call to your USA phone number (for instance, if you visit the USA and get a cheap cell phone at WalMart or 7-11 store with prepaid sim card) for no charge!! I am pretty sure they will not ship abroad. You need a credit card. You simply have it mailed to a friend in the USA who forwards it to you!! -Original Message- From: Marcio [mailto:m...@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 12:46 AM To: rleesimon Subject: RE: MagicJack: a VoIP question Will look at it Marcio -Original Message- From: rleesimon rleesi...@gmail.com Sent: Jan 2, 2010 5:40 PM To: 'Marcio' m...@ix.netcom.com Cc: 'Computer Guys Discussion List' COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: RE: MagicJack: a VoIP question Messages from phonepower.com come as .wav file in email...also stored online on pwd protected site with usage, etc. -Original Message- From: Marcio [mailto:m...@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 10:44 PM Subject: Re: MagicJack: a VoIP question Yes, Fred I get the messages by e-mail and open them with Nero. I also cancall my number at MagicJack and listen to the messages and erase them. Marcio -Original Message- From: Fred Holmes f...@his.com Sent: Jan 1, 2010 8:59 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] MagicJack: a VoIP question Yes and no. If you leave your VOIP (e.g. MagicJack) always at one specific premises and register that premises with that telephone number at 911 (there is a process for doing this), then you will have reliable 911 service, just as landline numbers are registered with 911 (but the registration is done by the telephone company). But one of the advantages of MagicJack is that you can connect it to your notebook computer wherever you may carry and use it. There is no way (except manually) to change the 911 registration at present. There may be some way to do a lookup on the i.p. address of your computer, to determine where it is actually connected, but such a system hasn't yet (to my knowledge) been set up. If you connect your MagicJack to your notebook computer that is connected to the Internet anywhere (e.g., Iraq), calls that you place to the U.S. are free (no call placement or connection time charges) (unless for some reason VOIP packets are somehow killed.) It's also nice that voice mail messages received on VOIP systems can be sent to you by e-mail as .wav file attachments. Nice to be able to keep and file them, and not have the message memory fill up and overflow. Fred Holmes. At 06:13 PM 1/1/2010, Judy Cosler wrote: does one have reliable 911 with VoIP? thought one needed a landline for reliable, available 911. Pls. help me with this issue! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MagicJack: a VoIP question
I have it. I used it in Europe with an IBM x31 notebook with dsl speed internet ...it is flawless! No fone needed, used computer speakers and mic ...but, of course, you need to have the computer on and connected to a wifi source to use it. I also have phonepower.com device at home. Computer can be shut off as phone modem is behind router. Works flawlessly. If you buy now at bestbuy stores, you also get a pocket travel device for it which was not available when I got it. Service very good, reliable, cheap (1yr=199, 2nd year free) and had 10% off when I got it (around $8/mo) ...of course magic jack is cheaper but I wanted to be able to shut off computer... -Original Message- From: Robert Carroll [mailto:carrollcompu...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 6:39 PM Subject: Re: MagicJack: a VoIP question For my earlier message, a P.S. (1) Is there a source for info about VoIP in general, not just related to MagicJack. I am under the impression that only those who make many long-distance calls, especially international calls, can benefit from subscribing to VoIP since the cost of domestic long-distance calls is so cheap nowadays. (The web and email makes the need for long-distance calls less frequent for me.) What telephone number would someone use to call me on VoIP? (1) Information about MagicJack is appreciated. It seems from the CU description that a corded handset is needed -- I might be able to find buried in a closet an old rotary-dial phone for MagicJack (if I decide to get same) since all my land-line phones are cordless. Can MagicJack understand pulse dialing? On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Robert Carroll carrollcompu...@gmail.comwrote: In the 2010 February issue of Consumer Reports, there are tests of 15 items sold on TV infomercials that use hard-sell language. As one may suspect, most items did not live up to the claims made therein. But one got a favorable review, the MagicJack for connecting to VoIP. The review follows below. I have only a general knowledge of VoIP. Can someone point me to a source that offers specific info so that I may decide if having VoIP is advantageous for me? The CU review: *The claim.* MagicJack, a VoIP (voice over Internet protocol) phone device and service,makes your monthly phone bill disappear, an online ad says. Save hundreds, even thousands, of dollars and get no more poor reception. You plug MagicJack into a computer's USB port, plug the line cord of your own phone into the other end of the USB adapter, and MagicJack uses the Internet to make and receive calls. You need broadband Internet access, and the computer has to be on for you to make or receive a call. If it's off, messages go to voice mail. The charge: $39.95 for the device and one year of local and long-distance calling; then $19.95 per year. Details are at www.magicjack.com. *The check.* One of our electronics experts made dozens of calls over several days, sometimes while downloading files or playing online computer games. *Bottom line*. Shazam! Calls connected, and voice quality was clear, though not as clear as on a good corded phone on a regular line. When our tester downloaded a big file while playing an online game and making a call, there was some interference. But if you can live with a few limitations, it's a great deal. Vonage VoIP service can cost $216 a year; Skype, $95, and you must buy a Skype phone. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MagicJack: a VoIP question
If you plug in magic jack on computer, internal mic and spkr are all you need (I have IBM Thinkpad). Needs no fone. Dial on screen with mouse or via phonebook. -Original Message- From: Fred Holmes [mailto:f...@his.com] Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 9:21 PM Subject: Re: MagicJack: a VoIP question The most modern phone you have that works on POTS is a corded handset. I suspect one could also use a cordless handset, if one were to plug the base station into the MagicJack. (just as the base station is plugged into the RJ-11 wall outlet the same way that a corded handset is plugged into a wall outlet.) You just couldn't use a cordless handset by itself, without the base station. What the information is telling you is that the MagicJack does _not_ include its own handset. Nor does it use a headset (like Skype does). Nor does it use a USB speakerphone (like is available for Skype). It uses a POTS telephone, connected by the customary cord with an RJ-11 plug on the end. Anything that electrically looks like a POTS telephone connected with an RJ-11 plug should work. Dunno if it would accept pulse dialing, haven't tried it. But so much calling requires DTMF signalling for navigating menus that pulse dialing has limited use today anyway. Corded handset and rotary [pulsed] dial are two completely different concepts. Fred Holmes At 06:39 PM 1/1/2010, Robert Carroll wrote: (1) Information about MagicJack is appreciated. It seems from the CU description that a corded handset is needed -- I might be able to find buried in a closet an old rotary-dial phone for MagicJack (if I decide to get same) since all my land-line phones are cordless. Can MagicJack understand pulse dialing? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MagicJack: a VoIP question
Messages from phonepower.com come as .wav file in email...also stored online on pwd protected site with usage, etc. -Original Message- From: Marcio [mailto:m...@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 10:44 PM Subject: Re: MagicJack: a VoIP question Yes, Fred I get the messages by e-mail and open them with Nero. I also cancall my number at MagicJack and listen to the messages and erase them. Marcio -Original Message- From: Fred Holmes f...@his.com Sent: Jan 1, 2010 8:59 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] MagicJack: a VoIP question Yes and no. If you leave your VOIP (e.g. MagicJack) always at one specific premises and register that premises with that telephone number at 911 (there is a process for doing this), then you will have reliable 911 service, just as landline numbers are registered with 911 (but the registration is done by the telephone company). But one of the advantages of MagicJack is that you can connect it to your notebook computer wherever you may carry and use it. There is no way (except manually) to change the 911 registration at present. There may be some way to do a lookup on the i.p. address of your computer, to determine where it is actually connected, but such a system hasn't yet (to my knowledge) been set up. If you connect your MagicJack to your notebook computer that is connected to the Internet anywhere (e.g., Iraq), calls that you place to the U.S. are free (no call placement or connection time charges) (unless for some reason VOIP packets are somehow killed.) It's also nice that voice mail messages received on VOIP systems can be sent to you by e-mail as .wav file attachments. Nice to be able to keep and file them, and not have the message memory fill up and overflow. Fred Holmes. At 06:13 PM 1/1/2010, Judy Cosler wrote: does one have reliable 911 with VoIP? thought one needed a landline for reliable, available 911. Pls. help me with this issue! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MagicJack
All that confirmed. -Original Message- From: Tourbus Rider Stuart Carlow [mailto:noodni...@aol.com] Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 9:31 PM Subject: Re: MagicJack Stewart says: None of the major VOIP carriers offer a local number so it is of no use for incoming. As I already bundle my phone service and have unlimited dialing plus all the calling features plus have an international plan it makes no financial sense to me. Until a VOIP service offers local numbers I cannot look at any of them. However with MagicJack you select the area code you want to use and the company then assigns you a number within that area code. If you choose, for example, 202, that's very local. You can travel with the MagicJack, and if you use it overseas, you still have the USA connection with (for example) the 202 area code. You can also change your phone number at the my.magicjack.com website. I believe changing it once is free, and there's a charge for changing it more than one time. I have done that once (no charge). (BTW, if most of your family is in CA you can choose a CA area code and then their calls to you will be local.) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MagicJack: a VoIP question
Phonepower.com works without computer and the 911 feature works. -Original Message- From: Tony B [mailto:ton...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 10:42 PM Subject: Re: MagicJack: a VoIP question Actually, that's two questions. First, you may use your existing telephones with MJ, but you don't have to. It comes with an interface that easily switches to headset so any headset (or mic and speakers) can work. No, pulse dialing is ancient history. You could not dial a number from a rotary phone downstairs and connect. But again, using the provided software, you can just punch numbers on the software keyboard and dial while sitting at your computer. My own experience with MJ has been spotty. I would vastly prefer a unit that connects to my router, like I had with Vonage. Then it would stay on 24/7 and wouldn't interrupt my gaming on my computer. However, at discounted prices of something like $5 a year, it's all I can reasonably afford. I just don't use a phone that much, and not at all for international dialing. I don't really know how reliable the 911 is; I mean, it's not like I can test it or anything. But in my 55 years I've never called 911 (from home) so I'm not going to base my telephone decisions on that. Besides, right now there are some 10 people on IMs (Facebook, Yahoo, etc.) that I could gasp out a Call 911! and they'll do it. I could also just send a text to the wife's cell phone, but she might not get it for a few hours. Oh well, I've lived long enough. :) On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 6:39 PM, Robert Carroll carrollcompu...@gmail.com wrote: (1) Information about MagicJack is appreciated. It seems from the CU description that a corded handset is needed -- I might be able to find buried in a closet an old rotary-dial phone for MagicJack (if I decide to get same) since all my land-line phones are cordless. Can MagicJack understand pulse dialing? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MagicJack: a VoIP question
I have uniden BT capable wireless fone and it is wired backwards via house wiring to phonepower.com modem ...gives me phone all over the house. Have one wired fone on it in case of loss of power. Phonepower.com will also work with old fashioned fax machine. Phonepower.com also has a cloned 2nd line which lets you make/receive calls when one conversation is already in process ...free!! -Original Message- From: Marcio [mailto:m...@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 10:46 PM Subject: Re: MagicJack: a VoIP question I have a Vtech cordless phone with two basis. Work fine. Marcio -Original Message- From: Fred Holmes f...@his.com Sent: Jan 1, 2010 9:21 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] MagicJack: a VoIP question The most modern phone you have that works on POTS is a corded handset. I suspect one could also use a cordless handset, if one were to plug the base station into the MagicJack. (just as the base station is plugged into the RJ-11 wall outlet the same way that a corded handset is plugged into a wall outlet.) You just couldn't use a cordless handset by itself, without the base station. What the information is telling you is that the MagicJack does _not_ include its own handset. Nor does it use a headset (like Skype does). Nor does it use a USB speakerphone (like is available for Skype). It uses a POTS telephone, connected by the customary cord with an RJ-11 plug on the end. Anything that electrically looks like a POTS telephone connected with an RJ-11 plug should work. Dunno if it would accept pulse dialing, haven't tried it. But so much calling requires DTMF signalling for navigating menus that pulse dialing has limited use today anyway. Corded handset and rotary [pulsed] dial are two completely different concepts. Fred Holmes At 06:39 PM 1/1/2010, Robert Carroll wrote: (1) Information about MagicJack is appreciated. It seems from the CU description that a corded handset is needed -- I might be able to find buried in a closet an old rotary-dial phone for MagicJack (if I decide to get same) since all my land-line phones are cordless. Can MagicJack understand pulse dialing? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MagicJack: a VoIP question
Skype only free when recipient also has skype ... -Original Message- From: t.piwowar [mailto:t...@tjpa.com] Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 12:01 AM Subject: Re: MagicJack: a VoIP question Don't forget that you can also get VOIP services like Skype at zero cost. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MagicJack: a VoIP question
They make skype fones. Best solution is skype on your ifone or wm smartphone and pirate off neighbors unsecured wifi .hehee! ...after all is saiddone, when att and others get permission to get ridda pots ( some eyesore poles/wires), there may be a move afoot to make everyone who gets wifi for fone/computer/tv to have an open channel so the coverage grows... hmmm!! -Original Message- From: tjpa [mailto:t...@tjpa.com] Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 2:24 PM Subject: Re: MagicJack: a VoIP question On Jan 2, 2010, at 4:46 AM, Marcio wrote: Yes but only Skype to Skype...for free. You old folks may not have noticed, but a modern household is going to have a small computer sitting where the telephone used to sit. It will be running Skype 24/7. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MagicJack: a VoIP question
Self contained stand alone skype fones for people with cable tv and get a bundled wifi or wired dsl or net and don't use the computer or want one or only have one in the kids' room... -Original Message- From: tjpa [mailto:t...@tjpa.com] Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 3:27 PM Subject: Re: MagicJack: a VoIP question On Jan 2, 2010, at 2:47 PM, rleesimon wrote: They make skype fones. I looked, but don't see the point. Computer has great mic and camera and big screen already built in. Why pay money for something that does so much less and still needs to be connected to a computer? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] New Dell handset sure to give iphone a run for it's money
Stopit ...my horse is very pleased with his ...he can hoof it on the run !! -Original Message- From: tjpa [mailto:t...@tjpa.com] Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 3:55 PM Subject: Re: New Dell handset sure to give iphone a run for it's money On Dec 31, 2009, at 2:58 PM, mike wrote: When Dell release this device later next year, the iphone will surely drop like a rock in sales, Apple needs to pull a rabbit out of its hat and right now. Before clicking on your link I had this mental image of what a Dell phone might look like: big, clunky, retro design. And lo and behold, the link leads to a phone that looks like a horse trough. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] AAAHH, the old days
Yes, in 1965-66 as an undergraduate I took a computer course at NYU which comprised learned to program (entry level, PL-1) and my assigned project was writing a routine to alphabetize a list of names including all variants (multiple first, middle names, hyphenated, with degrees, etc.) ...which took a whole semester and didn't actually function for all variants in the end. The horrible input was standing around waiting to sit at a punch card machine (do you hear hangin'chads?) and then wait months for an opening to run the thing with your stack of cards (a shoebox-full) at 2am when you were called to do it. Yes, it occupied an entire floor of the building with a/c trailers outside as well. I seem to recall the model IBM 360/30 and there were disk drives and all kinds of stuff in there (a clean room, remember bugs ??) Once upon a time there was a tavern Where we used to raise a glass or two Remember how we laughed away the hours And think of all the great things we would do Those were the days, my friend We thought they'd never end We'd sing and dance forever and a day We'd live the life we choose We'd fight and never lose For we were young and sure to have our way La la la la la la La la la la la la Then the busy years went rushing by us We lost our starry notions on the way If by chance I'd see you in the tavern We'd smile at one another and we'd say Those were the days, my friend We thought they'd never end We'd sing and dance forever and a day We'd live the life we choose We'd fight and never lose Those were the days Oh, yes, those were the days La la la la la la La la la la la la Just tonight I stood before the tavern Nothing seemed the way it used to be In the glass I saw a strange reflection Was that lonely woman really me? Those were the days, my friend We thought they'd never end We'd sing and dance forever and a day We'd live the life we choose We'd fight and never lose Those were the days Oh, yes, those were the days La la la la la la La la la la la la Through the door there came familiar laughter I saw your face and heard you call my name Oh, my friend, we're older but no wiser For in our hearts the dreams are still the same... Those were the days, my friend We thought they'd never end We'd sing and dance forever and a day We'd live the life we choose We'd fight and never lose Those were the days Oh, yes, those were the days La la la la la la La la la la la la Mary Hopkins -Original Message- From: Rosenberg, Alan [USA] [mailto:rosenberg_a...@bah.com] Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 10:16 AM Subject: Re: AAAHH, the old days The old days?? The old days were when an IBM 7094 (the powerhouse of its day) filled a room with a raised floor, dedicated air conditioning, and a crew of operators, cost megabucks to buy (or lease) and maintain, had a cycle time measured in microseconds, and a maximum memory capacity equivalent to 32KB. Alan * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] gawwd ...bluetooth!
I spent the whole evening (missed Friday nite smackdown!!) cuz my new winMobile6.1 fone lost its ability to sync via bluetooth .notably, the device was showing services list as serial port instead of activesync so it would not connect despite connecting fine via USB. Last nite I fumed, swore, fiddled, refreshed, deleted, rediscovered, refreshed, refreshed ad nauseam, read google, ad nauseam, and finally gave up and watched the news. This am, I went into my office, opened up winXPhomeSP3 desktop, turned on BT on the fone, went to devices, selected my desktop moniker, saw active sync as service (not serial port), checked it, told AS to sync via BT and BAM .works like a charm. WTH happened? Was BT ever meant for we earthlings to comprehend, or is it squarely in the domain of the high and holy within 20mi of Redmond or Santa Clara ?? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 19 Dec 2009 - Special issue (#2009-1129)
Huh? From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of COMPUTERGUYS-L automatic digest system Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 2:14 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 19 Dec 2009 - Special issue (#2009-1129) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] gawwd ...bluetooth!
Yeah...bummer, anyone got a vid dld for me ...it's my only source of vicariance these days septin'4 this board ...hehee ;^) -Original Message- From: Reid Katan [mailto:ka...@his.com] Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 2:19 PM Subject: Re: gawwd ...bluetooth! Quoting rleesimon rleesi...@gmail.com: [. . .] as service (not serial port), checked it, told AS to sync via BT and BAM .works like a charm. WTH happened? Was BT ever meant for we earthlings to comprehend, or is it squarely in the domain of the high and holy within 20mi of Redmond or Santa Clara ?? *And* you missed SmackDown! (-: * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] fone gps trouble
Got a great Motorola Surf a3100 and put in 16gb microSDhc card and installed motonav (destinator) .but when I put the maps in, says they are not registered .saw where some say to use a patcher which I did (patches maps) .didn't help .ideas? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Android feedback
OK ...I just went through this. I looked at the Droid and brethren but settled on the Motorola Surf a3100 windows mobile 6.1 with a slick overlay with all those carousel features, etc. The app supply seems endless. It won my heart cuz it has not only quad 2g but triband 3g (850,1900,2100) which gets me Europe!! So far this thing is thrilling ...big screen 240x320 compared to my trusty old RazrV3 ...wasn't ready to throw down buck'n'a'half for a 32gb card so threw a 16gb microSDhc6 and it rocks ...has wifi,bt,gps ...selling globally $5-600 but got it offa ebay for $138 ...watch out, mine has full English rom but some sold there and elsewhere (amazon) have Chinese rom and I have NOT seen any flash files for it, so beware!! It's barely longer than the V3 and about same width and not thick ...has many input choices including transcriber which allows you to write cursively onscreen and it makes text ...swell!! -Original Message- From: mike [mailto:xha...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 7:57 PM Subject: Re: Android feedback I've had no regrets with my android phone, got the hero, no keyboard and it's great. I've not been wanting for apps in the least, everything I've gone looking for, I've found. There are a couple things missing like a good sync app for it, but the phone will mount as a drive and any music and pics you load on the internal card show up in the music app or photo app automatically. So I give up a clean sync with the bloated itunes, but in return I get unlimited storage with being able to add SDHC cards. 16 gigs is a lot of room really...till I start downloading podcasts etc, then it seems to fill up. On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Paul Meyer paulj...@yahoo.com wrote: Recently got a G1 and returned it for a Cliq (much more usable with navigation keys and a better keyboard). How are people feeling about their android phones? I really am glad I have an alternative to the touch screen and the apps have been really cool so far. Is that what iPhone people feel? - Original Message From: mike xha...@gmail.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Thu, December 3, 2009 11:27:48 PM Subject: [CGUYS] a twofer update http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/03/mactracker_gets_apple_images/ Apple's App Store police have again exhibited a brush with common sense, and allowed another iPhone app to display previously forbidden images of Cupertino hardware. Check out the pics in the link...Apple wasn't going to allow images of it's own products in an app celebrating...it's own products. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/03/ms_google_bribes_nixed/ The title says it all, our furor over so called ethics must have swayed them...will Tom now say MS is the bastion of ethical goodness, or are they still just neomicrosoftians? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] IE8/9 Fail Acid Test Badly
Did you just say tom is droppin' acid (again)? -Original Message- From: mike [mailto:xha...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 11:47 AM Subject: Re: IE8/9 Fail Acid Test Badly Why do you do this? READ the thread. Tom brought up security. You guys are like broken records, challenge a belief and you can't defend it you start this shit. On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Mike, please wake up; you seem to be catatonic. The subject is Acid Test. It is not browser security. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- You brought it up. Don't if you don't want it discussed. On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:13 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: What does this have to do with ACID? You just want us to avert our eyes from another M$ miserable failure. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
Hey ...leave Tom alone ...he got 'nuf cra'frum apr to last him... -Original Message- From: mike [mailto:xha...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 5:13 PM Subject: Re: Intensive Care Unit... Do you cover your eyes and ears when you say that? On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 6:36 AM, Jordan jor17...@gmail.com wrote: katan wrote: On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 23:50:30 -0400, t.piwowar wrote: America has its Dick Cheney. CGUYS has Chris Dunford. Ever notice how The List can have a pleasant conversation, or even a lively debate. . .until Tom joins in? No. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Guys and GPS
What else have you done when half schnockker'd, rev? -Original Message- From: mike [mailto:xha...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 5:08 PM Subject: Re: Guys and GPS I used to make delivers in a van from the main PO here to a credit processing center around 12-2am. I had nights when staying awake was very hard and other nights when I was fine. A couple of times when I wasn't tired I found myself 6 or 7 miles from the last turn off without having any memory of passing the half a dozen off ramps between. Zero memory. On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: There are some days when I get to the office or to somewhere I was going to travel that I simply cannot remember the trip! It is semi automatic driving. We are all guilty of it. Cruel joke but at least he listened to the directions! :-) Last year I was going to a Kiwanis club convention in state and I drove with a few other members. I had my GPS up as I was going to an area I was not familiar with. It was hilarious to hear one of the members argue with the GPS every now and then as we drove. If I had not driven with him before I would not have been amused, but he has a Chrysler Van that has it built in and he does it with that all the time. I will be honest I use them usually on long trips so when I get off the interstate at an interchange I am not familiar with it gets me back on without getting lost. (It has been known to happen!) Stewart At 11:24 AM 9/4/2009, you wrote: Someone (not me) came to work very tired last Monday morning. They had made a long trip. Halfway back to home someone had fiddled with the GPS and the infernal machine started giving them directions back to where they had started the day. They dutifully followed directions. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Guys and GPS
Used a nuvi 210 or 270 or something like that free with rental car in Belgium ...when road had sharp curve, thing would tell me to turn left or turn right leading to screeching brakes and almost rear-enders ...didn't say street names ...crap! I have an off brand VideoSeven v7Nav-730 and bought the pricey western European maps for it ...says street names and has lots of adjustable features ...when I try it I will report ...seems it uses iGo software proprietary and has traffic (I didn't pay for that) and warns for speeding and has lots of night modes to keep the vision unencumbered ...looks gud2me so far with usa map set which has free online upgrades ...only thing is no longer sold which may mean it's no good or may mean it's good and makers are not good at keeping their hands outa the till ...we'll see!! -Original Message- From: Eric S. Sande [mailto:esa...@erols.com] Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 8:03 PM Subject: Re: Guys and GPS Ask just about any woman. Heh. I'll take the map and the compass every time. I'm not in any sort of a competition, and I do have a handheld GPS device, although I rarely carry it on my bicycle. I must say I've gotten a lot of unintelligible and just plain wrong directions, some even bizarre, on occasion. But my GPS does not talk, it's the kind that says, You Are Here. A friend of mine was on his way to Tierra del Fuego from Fairfax County, VA. On a motorcycle with a GPS. He got lost in the Atacama Desert, which isn't exactly good. He said later, I knew exactly where I was, but I didn't know which way to go. Hence the map and compass. My GPS does have a mapping function, which is as accurate as its map is. Which is pretty accurate, for CONUS. But I don't trust it implicitly, all maps contain errrors. Google maps are good, but not realtime. But a basic knowledge of astronomy, an accurate timepiece and a compass are all that is really required for navigation. Maps are nice, GPS is nice. But these are just in the nice things to have category. As far as the relationship issues are concerned, it is important to value input into the process. What we are trying to do here is get someplace. Women tend, I think, to value cooperation more than men. They value collaborative solutions, and that is good. A consensus value is more important than an absolute. Men want certainty, regardless of the consensus. If the consensus is perceived as wrong, and a certainty is available, a man will take it (it may be wrong too, but it's a basis for action). That I think may be why men are perceived by women as reluctant to ask for directions. And why they value a thing like GPS, because it depends on a certainty, position, but not a context, a map. The only problem is the reliability of the map, which some appear to take for granted but which cannot be assumed. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Guys and GPS
Gizmophilia trumps Gelotophobia ...the result ...Androphobia! ...however, I'd prefer being beset by any of those than to be afflicted by Arachibutyrophobia !! -Original Message- From: phartz...@gmail.com [mailto:phartz...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 11:27 PM Subject: Guys and GPS Most women will tell you that it has traditionally been like pulling teeth to get most guys to ask for directions when driving or to consult a map when lost. Being a guy myself, and while actually not like those guys I just described, I can say that my experiences have shown that, indeed, most guys have preferred not to do anything that might indicate they did not know how to get from point A to point B while on the road. I therefore find it quite amusing to discover what appears to be the fact that GPS devices in cars are almost exclusively used by guys. In fact, these guys try as hard as they possibly can to make sure that everyone knows they are using GPS units by mounting them as conspicuously as possible on their windshields for all to see. Over the past few days I have taken to counting the number of cars I see with GPS devices being used and taking note of the gender of the drivers of these cars. Overwhelmingly, by something on the order of at least 14 or 16 to one or greater, it is guys. What has happened to the macho man of yesteryear who never needed no honkin' directions? Ditto the old saw that women did most of the talking on phones? I'd wager that these days, guys are as likely as gals to be on their cell phones. Also, being a typist on a keyboard used to be the domain of women. I'd also wager that guys are as likely to be typists these days as are gals. Whadda ya think? Is the digital age muddling gender stereotypes? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Guys and GPS
Years uggo when I got my first Cincinnati Microwave Passport radar detector, it was provided with a reprint of an article recounting a study done (not by them if I remember) showing drivers with radar detectors had FEWER accidents than others ...wonder if it's been studied with GPS devices? -Original Message- From: Chris Dunford [mailto:seed...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 1:05 PM Subject: Re: Guys and GPS There are some days when I get to the office or to somewhere I was going to travel that I simply cannot remember the trip! It is semi automatic driving. This scared me when I was a young driver. Did I check when I changed lanes, or not? But then I read something in a James Bond: He switched off the autopilot that every good driver has (presumably he needed to concentrate on missile avoidance or something--I don't remember). I figured, well, then, I must be a good driver, and it didn't bother me anymore. And apparently James was right, because I haven't had an accident in over 40 years of driving. Anyway, Otto Pilot is why I use my GPS all the time, even if I'm going somewhere I already know. He prevents accidents but is less careful about getting off at the correct exit. Hilda gives me a fighting chance to end up in Baltimore as intended, rather than in Wilmington or Philadelphia or something. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Guys and GPS
I turn on the GPS but when the sexy girl tells me turn around I do so in hope of catching a glimpse of her to see if she looks as good as she sounds!! Does that make me drive more safely?? -Original Message- From: phartz...@gmail.com [mailto:phartz...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 2:32 PM Subject: Re: Guys and GPS On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Mason Millermil...@sitewelder.com wrote: I use the GPS, but ignore its instructions. Is this the same as how you handle your wife or girlfriend? Just joking, of course. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] External keyboard for notebook computer
This. http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-Space-Saver-II-Keyboard-RT3200-Black-Item-120_W0QQit emZ110424534478QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCA_Mice_Trackballs?hash=item19b5d0adce_t rksid=p3286.c0.m14 .I use it .has feet in the back that fold out to keep it a comfortable angle .would sit on top of any laptop (except if a 12 screen which is 2small) and stay up to allow heat to dissipate too .very nice .has embedded numeric keypad and has second ps2 port under it so you can hook up a ps2 mouse if you want .is ps2 so if your laptop doesn't have that, get an adapter (I have one) for usb/ps2 which works perfectly!! Full size keys are great...good feel...has windows key and menu key ...I love it as it requires no reaching for all keys... -Original Message- From: Fred Holmes [mailto:f...@his.com] Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 4:07 AM Subject: Re: External keyboard for notebook computer Partial solution. But unless one has a woodworking shop to make the blocks an exact size, a couple of pieces of 2x4 are big and bulky and take up real estate and large for the baggage to be carried. At 09:42 PM 8/14/2009, TPiwowar wrote: On Aug 14, 2009, at 3:14 PM, katan wrote: Would a couple of blocks on either side of the laptop do you? Something high enough to get the external keyboard over the built-in keyboard? Clearly a solution that begs for liberal use of duct tape. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] disk tool..can't recall the name
Dunno what he wants... Maybe http://www.karenware.com/powertools/ptslack.asp Or what?? -Original Message- From: phartz...@gmail.com [mailto:phartz...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 2:27 PM Subject: Re: disk tool..can't recall the name On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 1:24 PM, mikexha...@gmail.com wrote: I've got two drives, identical hardware, one is a direct copy/backup of the other. The internal one shows 20 gigs less then the external backup. This after running the sync, running defrag and error checking the the drives. There is a disk tool that is free that shows who/what/when/where your HD space has gone and I can't recall the name for anything. When asking such questions, it is always helpful to inform readers what OS you are needing such a tool for. Almost invariably, when OS info is not provided, it turns out to be a Windows user because they seem to forget that not everyone uses Windows. That being the case, and since it is therefore virtually certian that you are needing a utility for a Windows machine, i cannot be of any help. Can someone please help this Windows user? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
...bring on the wearable information system with wifi, bluetooth, ham radio, fm, skype, smoke signals, semifour, code talking, telegraphy, fax, and, of course, a built in 9mm berretta!! -Original Message- From: TPiwowar [mailto:t...@tjpa.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 11:37 AM Subject: Re: Computer gadgets in cars On Aug 11, 2009, at 7:55 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Boy, I wasn't going to get into this, but now I cannot help it.\ End of August is always silly season around here. If most adults, perhaps even adolescents, were to walk around armed with guns, knives, brass knuckles, whatever, and this is presuming that at some future time this could become the case, would associated deaths and injuries be more or less likely to occur than now, and why? Using Microsoft popularity-malware logic suggests that the more people who are walking around with weapons the more often those weapons will be used. To say the opposite would require you to take a pro-Apple stand to say that popularity has nothing to do with bad things happening. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
Little murders (1967) Jules Feiffer ...the primer on all this!! -Original Message- From: phartz...@gmail.com [mailto:phartz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 7:57 AM Subject: Re: Computer gadgets in cars On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 2:55 AM, Jeff Milesjmile...@charter.net wrote: I've known and feel safer around biker dudes then I ever do around 14 year olds. So Tom's example was an apt one. However, if I had a gun, grandma sitting next to me had a gun and the bus driver had a gun, I'd feel more safe. So, do you typically go around feeling unsafe and fearful? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
.tjp augering for a nationwide gun law? -Original Message- From: TPiwowar [mailto:t...@tjpa.com] Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 6:21 PM Subject: Re: Computer gadgets in cars On Aug 10, 2009, at 5:57 PM, Bill Wajert wrote: Let's be very clear about one thing. Gun Bans only affect law abiding citizens. Criminals could care less and do not purchase guns legally, even if they could. Not true at all. They buy guns by the dozen, legally (because it is so easy in VA) and then sell them in DC (illegally). Why should they bother to do something illegally when it is so easy to do in legally? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
Frienda mine is'n old cop (had a 6 shooter) and he went through from academy to retirement and never shot at a suspect or was shot himself ...good career!! ...and others in his squad were involved in shootings or got tagged, so... I don't know where, but I have the idea statistics show most cops are of the former ilk, never have to use the weapon during their career... It ain't like tv, eh? -Original Message- From: mike [mailto:xha...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 2:31 AM Subject: Re: Computer gadgets in cars Even better, I watch old episodes of the rifleman...he sometimes goes a whole show just carrying the gun and doesn't even use it! On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Robert Carroll carrollcompu...@gmail.comwrote: Since I got a DVR from Verizon Fios, I have recorded watched old episodes of Maverick. Everyone (except some females) carry guns on that program and use them profusely. Seems to work for them, so why not for us today? Maybe every walk down a sidewalk -- better said, for today, a drive in my car -- ought to have a gun exchange. Of course I will win since I am the good guy, and besides I need to go to work tomorrow unlike the delinquents who fire at me as on the TV show. Jeff Miles wrote: I've always wondered why gun toting was disallowed in the first place. If I was a petty thief, the last person I'd try to mug is a gun toting person. On the other hand I have to think of the general common sense of the population. What happens when a person carries both a cell phone and a gun and the cell phone rings? Jeff M * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
We live just beyond the county seat city limits and FIOS came there but not here ...we'll surely get FIOS in our card before we ever get it at our house, can't even get dsl, only cable... and I was so proud of having never been a cable customer, but got only 2 channels with a converter and 30' tower, so I knuckled under ...lazy me!! -Original Message- From: Paul Cannon [mailto:pecan...@bellatlantic.net] Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 9:59 AM Subject: Re: Computer gadgets in cars I am having a vision of Eric swinging a U-lock and armed with a Topeak (or possibly Park) Multi bicycle tool at me when I ask When is FIOS ever coming to my condo?. Scary. Very Scary... On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 05:36:38PM -0400, Eric S. Sande wrote: He will. And then he'll rob you. Biker dude still makes you feel safe? Open carry is legal in VA. Being a biker is not illegal. I wouldn't call myself a biker, I ride a bike but I'd call myself a cyclist as opposed to the motorized variety. I probably don't look as threatening as a full out Harley dude, but I figure I might get some attention when kitted out. I don't carry, it's illegal in DC. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
I thought yours sounded like Andy Rooney. My GPS, so far, the most useful has been to get me lost!! -Original Message- From: b_s-wilk [mailto:b1sun...@yahoo.es] Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 1:33 PM To: rleesimon Subject: Re: Computer gadgets in cars Is it Robert/Bob/Lee? Your posts are fun, entertaining, and also have good information, but Andy Rooney? Sometimes, maybe. One of the many reasons I don't have GPS is that I _like_ to get lost and find my own way to a destination. GPS is good for people who need to get somewhere for business or appointments. For personal use--eh! I'm not afraid to get lost, even though we've taken wrong turns in rough places during riots. And I wouldn't have found that delightful little store that had the sign, Magic. One flight up. OTOH, we might not have taken the mountain road with miles and miles of dizzying switchbacks with GPS, or I wouldn't have arrived so late at the electronics recycle place in Baltimore using GPS either. Old saying: It's not the destination, it's the journey. GPS takes all the fun out of travel. You miss a lot of things that you only see when you take a side trip or a wrong turn. Betty rleesimon escribió: I have a lesser known brand GPS unit for the US ...it has free map upgrades online. I upgraded them. I put the unit in my car when I first got it and purposely passed my street asking it to take me home. It told me to turn around. Since then it has sit in a drawer. While in Europe recently, I got a free GPS furnished with the rental car. I used it a lot. It sometimes took me through woods marked for use by forestry personnel only. I liked the routes through the woods best of all. It didn't speak road names for turns which made me hear it say turn around or recalculating more than a few times. I purchased the western European maps for my own unit which speaks street names. We'll see if it is better than the name brand one from the rental company next time. My attempt to sound like Andy Rooney is purposeful, I wonder about anyone else?? -Original Message- From: b_s-wilk [mailto:b1sun...@yahoo.es] Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 11:59 AM Subject: Re: Computer gadgets in cars I don't use GPS. I use a compass and map--not while I'm driving, usually. They don't talk, however some GPS units do, so you don't have to look at them. I have E-Z Pass as well as a bar code decal for the Susquehanna bridge on US 40. The E-Z Pass instructions show the pass attached to the windshield behind the rear-view mirror. The decal is glued to the left rear window. Since the decal toll is much cheaper than E-Z pass, I keep the pass in its mylar envelope unless I need it. Then I simply place it on the dashboard to the far left, leaning on the window. After that I put it away, fiddling with the pass and the bag while I'm driving. Too bad it can't be turned off [actually, blocked] without using the envelope. And I talk on the phone while I drive, using the speaker phone or head set. Neither blocks the view of the windshield. My phone has voice dialing--which I never use. This is another black or white debate -- meaning that either all electronic devices such as GPS units or cell phones should be banned, or there should be no laws regarding their use in cars. The thread was not initially whether or not to allow the use of GPS or other devices in cars. It was whether or not to allow a digital device, or devices, to be affixed to windshields, particularly when done so in a manner that is illegal, such as right at eye level and interfering with the field of view of the operator. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
Tom, the gun is not a computer gadget, and a bus is not a car. Also, was that kid the only one who was safe on that bus? Third, were you safer on that bus or walking down the street? Fourth, what kinda gun do you carry? Last, does the computerized aiming mechanism with facial recognition and wifi or wimax database updates from the FBI and Interpol databases run on PC or MAC or is it, as I suspect you are also concealing, a Linux device?? Did you take the same bus to VA to get it at a gun show? If I like what you report, I'll take 2, of course, if the price is right!! -Original Message- From: TPiwowar [mailto:t...@tjpa.com] Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 12:04 PM Subject: Re: Computer gadgets in cars On Aug 9, 2009, at 2:57 AM, Jeff Miles wrote: I've always wondered why gun toting was disallowed in the first place. If I was a petty thief, the last person I'd try to mug is a gun toting person. On the other hand I have to think of the general common sense of the population. What happens when a person carries both a cell phone and a gun and the cell phone rings? Have you ever ridden a bus and had a 14 year old get on with a pistol tucked in his belt? That moment has a lot to do with my opinion on guns. I got off at the next stop and walked the rest of the way home. Are people routinely shot down in the streets of your town? Are people afraid to go out of their houses at night? Do stray shots shatter the windows of your homes while you cower behind the couch? Do you really think that is a good way to live? Do you really think being able to shoot back is going to improve the situation? The more lead we have flying the more innocent people will be killed. Why can't I carry a loaded gun into the Capitol? Pass that law first. Quit the hypocrisy. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
The brain will train to see ahead with seemingly unblocked view despite objects in the way ...extrapolation and parallax compensates ...however, there is still a blind spot which is not really seen and it would be worthwhile to remove such objects to save one little kid... -Original Message- From: Jordan [mailto:jor17...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 10:38 AM Subject: Re: Computer gadgets in cars phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Everyone who has such a device mounted to their windshield will say that it does not block their view. Would you really expect to hear anyone say otherwise? Agreed. It's still a lack of common sense thing. It would not surprise me at all to hear someone who has something blocking prime viewing area say it's not blocking their view. Fact is, because people will never admit otherwise, there are laws that govern what is allowed to be mounted on windshields, and where they may be mounted. The intent of these laws is to hopefully prevent individuals from making their own stupid decisions about such things and to prevent a plethora of items from being affixed to windshields. We must remember that when it comes to the operation of vehicles, there certainly seems to be more stupid people out there than smart ones. For instance, in Virginia, nothing whatsoever may intrude more than four inches above where the bottom of the windshield meets the dashboard. That is why all inspection stickers are located in that allowable zone, and why any other sticker must fit within that area. Exactly! Mine does not block my view anymore than that sticker. The road cannot be seen through the part of the windshield it blocks. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
However, many cars now have a drop-angle hood specially to allow close view to the front of the car to avoid hitting little kids, etc. while having the whole windshield see ahead... my old Chevy s10 blazer showed me the whole hood, my Toyota highlander shows me none of the hood. -Original Message- From: Chris Dunford [mailto:seed...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 10:19 AM Subject: Re: Computer gadgets in cars Everyone who has such a device mounted to their windshield will say that it does not block their view. Would you really expect to hear anyone say otherwise? I have a windshield-mounted GPS in one of our cars. It does block my view. It blocks my view of a small part of the hood. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
My GPS is 3.5 which blocks less and is perfectly usable and auto zooms so I don't hafta focus on it to see. It has a night feature that lowers the brightness and uses a less colorful display to avoid night-blind effect of foreground contrast, and it has a safety feature where you set a speed over which and also below which the screen becomes unresponsive to touch so in traffic and at high speed you don't fiddle with it to distraction ...these features are adjustable and can be enabled/disabled by the user ...very nice. V7Nav730...of course, they no longer make it. -Original Message- From: Jordan [mailto:jor17...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 9:25 AM Subject: Re: Computer gadgets in cars I agree with the comments made here on this subject but submit that the essence of the problem lies with the lack of common sense of most drivers. I have a GPS mounted on my windshield. But it is mounted such that it does not block my view of the road. And I am very careful about what kind of situation I'm in when I look at it. It seems that many or most users don't give a thought to either of those issues. I just wanted to suggest that it is not impossible to use a GPS responsibly. Constance Warner wrote: Great essay! I'd be in favor of ticketing drivers who mount GPS units and other such devices on their windshields, and I hope it soon becomes similarly illegal to mount laptop support brackets inside cars--a truly terrifying prospect. Though I don't know how a highway patrol officer would catch someone for computing while driving. When the computing driver is finally pulled over and the police officer walks up to the offending driver's car, all Mr. Distracted Driving has to do is to shut the lid of his laptop and deny that he's done anything wrong. Scary. (And are there even laws against computing while driving? This sounds like one of those obvious things you shouldn't need to be told NOT to do. But then I didn't think anyone would be dumb enough to send text messages while driving, either.) Anybody who lives in this area has probably had at least one close call with a car or other vehicle driven by a distracted driver, especially if you're a pedestrian trying to cross K Street, Rockville Pike, or any other road where Type A drivers cruise by with cell phones pasted to their ears. You can be as careful as you like as a pedestrian or a driver, but your survival, when you encounter a texting, cell phone-talking, or computer-using driver, may still depend largely on luck. Yet there's a lot of resistance to passing laws against texting while driving. Under the circumstances, I'm not overly optimistic about enforcement actions against other kinds of electronic distractions. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
Hey...what about my purple dice and my rubber duckie not to mention my crystal that sparkles and my graduation tassel ...some people have a buncha stuff hangin'round the mirror!! -Original Message- From: phartz...@gmail.com [mailto:phartz...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 10:03 AM Subject: Re: Computer gadgets in cars On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Jordanjor17...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with the comments made here on this subject but submit that the essence of the problem lies with the lack of common sense of most drivers. I have a GPS mounted on my windshield. But it is mounted such that it does not block my view of the road. Everyone who has such a device mounted to their windshield will say that it does not block their view. Would you really expect to hear anyone say otherwise? Fact is, because people will never admit otherwise, there are laws that govern what is allowed to be mounted on windshields, and where they may be mounted. The intent of these laws is to hopefully prevent individuals from making their own stupid decisions about such things and to prevent a plethora of items from being affixed to windshields. We must remember that when it comes to the operation of vehicles, there certainly seems to be more stupid people out there than smart ones. For instance, in Virginia, nothing whatsoever may intrude more than four inches above where the bottom of the windshield meets the dashboard. That is why all inspection stickers are located in that allowable zone, and why any other sticker must fit within that area. Transponders for toll roads must also be within that area or directly behind a rearview mirror that is attached to the windshield. Nothing else may be attached, hung or intrude upon any other portion of the windshield. If there weren't laws or rules about such, one can just imagine the nearly infinite possibilities. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
We had a momkid killed by an idiot who had lotsa stuff hangin' and didn't see them ...we also had a cop with cop-crap in the windshield and a computer and a shotgun and went through a red light and killed a set of twin teens drivin' along ...he got convicted of manslaughter... -Original Message- From: phartz...@gmail.com [mailto:phartz...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 1:34 PM To: rleesimon Subject: Re: Computer gadgets in cars On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 1:03 PM, rleesimonrleesi...@gmail.com wrote: Hey...what about my purple dice and my rubber duckie not to mention my crystal that sparkles and my graduation tassel ...some people have a buncha stuff hangin'round the mirror!! In Virginia, all illegal. I am not going to take the time to look up the relevant state code, but it is there is you wish to wade through that morass to find it. The thing is, that while such laws are typically viewed as silly and inconsequential, they are needed to protect the rest of us from idiots who would do stupid things and go to extremes. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] BOGO [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]
Silly me, and here I thought all the FCC did was to harass George Carlin and Gilda Radner (both dead) which albeit makes them completely useless now; thank goodness for TJP...now they have something to do!! -Original Message- From: TPiwowar [mailto:t...@tjpa.com] Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 11:45 AM Subject: Re: BOGO [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep] On Aug 6, 2009, at 10:51 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Say, are you at work right now? M$ pays him to harass us. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
I spent quite a bit of time in VA having worked in the Cumberland Gap (driving backforth to sNJ) and also in the eastern shore (down by the entry of the bridge-tunnel) backforth as well ...what with all the talk about jersey drivers I must say I found MD and VA drivers to be less predictable and less aware of their surroundings than here...of course, that may be my familiarity with local stuff here, but one thing for sure, they drive faster and don't know what the turn signal is for and also have the habit of slow driving in the fast lane on highways ...not that we are in any way better, just MHO!! -Original Message- From: phartz...@gmail.com [mailto:phartz...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 11:31 AM Subject: Re: Computer gadgets in cars On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Jordanjor17...@gmail.com wrote: Exactly! Mine does not block my view anymore than that sticker. The road can not be seen through the part of the windshield it blocks. Actually, and I did not mention this previously so we must remain quiet about it, but in Virginia no unauthorized item or any sort may be legally affixed to any windshield. That includes privately issued parking stickers, AAA decals, GPS devices or radio receivers. Nothing. Even that inspection decal should not be affixed to the windshield by the inspector if its top edge is more than four inches above the point where the windshield meets the dash. Only certain commercial vehicles such as taxis and garbage trucks, yes garbage trucks, and authorized emergency vehicles are allowed to have any view out of the windshield blocked by any device or item, including any analog or digital electronic display apparatus. Manufacturer mounted rear view mirrors are allowed as they are DOT approved. At this point in time, no unauthorized device of any sort may be mounted to a windshield in the state of Virginia. With the growing popularity of various devices that so many drivers want to have on their windshields, it is only a matter of time before it comes to a head, as is happening with cell phone use. When that occurs, you can bet that police will seriously begin cracking down and ticketing drivers and inspection stations wil start to flunk any vehicle that enters the inspection bay with a device affixed to a windshield not in accordance with the law. Anecdotally, a friend of mine who was getting his annual safety inspection was told by the safety inspector that if he didn't remove his radio receiver from his windshield prior to the car being driven into the inspection bay he would be rejected. He removed it. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
It's 4sure a DOS attack from all those guys in ILKton MD and such... -Original Message- From: TPiwowar [mailto:t...@tjpa.com] Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 2:53 PM Subject: Re: Computer gadgets in cars On Aug 6, 2009, at 1:03 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: And how do you know that 90% of drivers AREN'T above average? Too many recent discussions here seem to be of that ilk. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] BOGO [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]
Hehee... m$ pays Tom to harass them ...makes it seem like a level playing field !! -Original Message- From: Jeff Wright [mailto:jswri...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 9:41 PM Subject: Re: BOGO [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep] M$ pays him to harass us. Nah. I do that for free. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
Seems2me I recall, many moons ago, I bought an old fashioned original Passport radar detector (around 1980, was $300+ back then, but after I got nailed 3x in 1 week rushing to the hospital during my fellowship while on call, I bit the bullet...bought one offa ebay for the wife 2 yrs ago for $10 shipped) and around that time they published a set of data they had commissioned by some independent organization showing drivers having radar detectors in use were more cautious and safer than the rest...I think we need a little data here, eh? -Original Message- From: phartz...@gmail.com [mailto:phartz...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 5:52 PM Subject: Re: Computer gadgets in cars On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Robert Carrollcarrollcompu...@gmail.com wrote: This is another black or white debate -- meaning that either all electronic devices such as GPS units or cell phones should be banned, or there should be no laws regarding their use in cars. The thread was not initially whether or not to allow the use of GPS or other devices in cars. It was whether or not to allow a digital device, or devices, to be affixed to windshields, particularly when done so in a manner that is illegal, such as right at eye level and interfering with the field of view of the operator. Since the GPS device is a useful tool, some safe way must be found for it to be accommodated in a car. I would prefer that it be mounted on the dashboard either underneath the rear-view mirror or on the left side of the steering wheel. But most GPS units, including mine, are intended to be mounted on the windshield and can't be mounted on the dashboard because of its texture. The fact that mounting such devices on the windshield is pretty much illegal everywhere brings into question why makers of such devices seem to be fixated on convincing buyers that's where they should mount them. In my opinion, these units are here to stay so claiming that they are illegal and therefore must be banned is narrow-minded. Let us engineer better solutions, not ban all improvements. Again, no one is suggesting that GPS units be banned. Just don't put them on the windshield if it is illegal to do so. If drivers who mount GPS units on their windshields are ticketed as Ms. Warner recommends, very soon there will be a change in the law which permits windshield mounting. This has already happened in California, but with restrictions as to where on the windshield only one device may be legally mounted, how big they can be, and how much they can intrude into the windshield area. Still, there were cries of foul from manufacturer lobbyists and car owner organizations with vows to fight back. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
Sho nuf...dude ...about 6 years back we got rear-ended by some 16yo while we were stopped at a red light cuz the girl was chattin' up her bffs of which she had a carful ...local LE was friendly with her dad so nothing got done about it ...my wife suffered for coupl'a years from neck pain, had a nice ride to the hospital, and got to try out lots of their cool machines in the ER to the toon (not tune) of around $2500.00 ...she's ok now. However, google will show you (look for former police chief of Clayton NJ) the guy got his lickin' ...he was caught stealing from a charity (5 figures), and is now fitted with a stylish striped getup, a big rock, and a ball peen hammer!! ...ha---satisfaction! -Original Message- From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 1:15 PM Subject: Re: Computer gadgets in cars Teenage drivers are 99 % sure they are good drivers and frequently show that they are not. Stewart At 11:55 AM 8/6/2009, you wrote: Ninety percent of drivers claim to be above average and therefore think they should be allowed to paste any junk they want on their windshields. This is just another variation on the belief that it is okay to drive while drunk. I think the formal charge in that case is driving while impaired, which I think ought to also cover texting, cell phone chatter and gluing junk to the windshield. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
Because, quite simply, without data to compare drivers with and without such devices that you allege to be obscuring view and I infer causing accidents, we cannot conclude anything ...for cellphones the stats are in and many (including NJ and PA) have bans ...as a matter of fact, the NJ ban prohibits you from holding the device in your hand even if you have a speakerphone, and sellers must sell the fone with an earpiece. Gimme some stats, man!! -Original Message- From: phartz...@gmail.com [mailto:phartz...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 10:43 PM To: rleesimon Subject: Re: Computer gadgets in cars On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 10:29 PM, rleesimonrleesi...@gmail.com wrote: Seems2me I recall, many moons ago, I bought an old fashioned original Passport radar detector (around 1980, was $300+ back then, but after I got nailed 3x in 1 week rushing to the hospital during my fellowship while on call, I bit the bullet...bought one offa ebay for the wife 2 yrs ago for $10 shipped) and around that time they published a set of data they had commissioned by some independent organization showing drivers having radar detectors in use were more cautious and safer than the rest...I think we need a little data here, eh? I do not see how the above relates to having devices on a windshield that can interfere with the ability of a driver to see and/or to pay attention to what's on the roadway. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] wifi router in Belgium
Where I will be, the internet may come from 1 of 2 sources .first is Belgacom which provides high speed DSL via telephone cables to homes with or without phone and TV. second is Voo which provides via coaxial cable separate from the phone (like here), but it seems I will NOT be in their coverage area for internet, only for TV. The question is whether I can buy a wifi router here that will save me the rental costs there? I wonder if I will be able to adapt an rj-11 fone line to the router?? I don't know if it will be a connection type DHCP, Static IP Address, or PPPoE. The router I have here in the US is a Linksys WRT150N and has all 3 capabilities. Must I look for a model that has an rj-11 port for internet connection, or must I find an adapter to take with me (the WRT150N has an Ethernet jack for that). What else? .tia! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Gmail issue
Yes, for me (not a geek) it musta been server issues, and thus proof google runs more than 1 server (duh) and the ones who had trouble were on it ...I can't believe people who know little about computerdom (myself 1) know THAT little... -Original Message- From: phartz...@gmail.com [mailto:phartz...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 12:22 PM To: rleesimon Subject: Re: Gmail issue On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:06 PM, rleesimonrleesi...@gmail.com wrote: That's for sure...I get my gmail in my outlook and I have many archives ...just yesterday I had to go get some tax records for 2007 ...easy as pie ...just looked in some archives and there it was ...saved my ...well, you know ...but really ...do you wanna trust google to store your stuff? ...sheesh!! The folks at Google say that local server issues present most of the unable to connect problems associated with Gmail. I suspect that could well be the case, and could have been the case with my recent experience. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] More computer humor
M$ has perfected the process whereby the hourglass is responsive to retinal orientation. -Original Message- From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 3:10 PM Subject: More computer humor More Murphy's Laws of Computing 1. To err is human...to blame your computer for your mistakes is even more than human, it's downright natural. 2. He who laughs last, probably has a back-up. 3. The number one cause of computer problems is computer solutions. 4. A complex system that doesn't work is invariably found to have evolved from a simpler system that worked just fine. 5. A computer program will always do what you tell it to do, but rarely what you want it to do. Stewart Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] noiseheat
My laptop (ibm x31 winxpprosp3 pIVm1.4/2gb/120gb) sits most of the time on a dock which, instead of the battery has a sled in the ultrabay with the old 40mb HDD which started making noise today and doesn't show on the list.opened the bay and it's hot,hot. Is this the proverbial end of that? If so, what capacity disk can I put in there (it's a pata 2.5)? I would use it as backup storage.tia! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] noiseheat
Cooled it off under fan and a/c ...got the data off ...I spoze it's curtains for that drive ...good I replaced it before it croaked (got the 120gb one in the notebook a while back)... thanks! -Original Message- From: phartz...@gmail.com [mailto:phartz...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 2:49 PM Subject: Re: noiseheat On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 2:36 PM, rleesimonrleesi...@gmail.com wrote: My laptop (ibm x31 winxpprosp3 pIVm1.4/2gb/120gb) sits most of the time on a dock which, instead of the battery has a sled in the ultrabay with the old 40mb HDD which started making noise today and doesn't show on the list.opened the bay and it's hot,hot. Is this the proverbial end of that? Sounds as if the bearings have given out. It may lock up on you soon, unable to spin up the next time you turn it on. Best to get that data off of there now. I can't answer your question about what capacity drive to use as a replacement. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] foreign
Ok.I'm getting usta keystroke combos for accented characters in French .but, they don't work in such things as dialog windows in browser pages, search boxes, and notepad .I have had2 resurrect WordPad to type the accented characters and then cut and paste into the boxes .I bought office 2007 ultimate and also the French language pack, but that doesn't help any of this.as a matter of fact, it is supposed to auto detect the language and spell-check appropriately, it doesn't work and keeps returning to the English dictionary for each word .then it switches finally to the French dictionary after quite a few words have been checked .then it works fine! .what a chore windows must be for anyone who isn't using English !! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
