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Specifically to the topic...what happened to highly subsidized android phones? They cost as much or more then other PDA phones. I'm hoping and wishing the hero goes to verizon, but I can see the trend that it will run at least 200 if not 300 considering it's quality compared to the mytouch 200 dollar android phone on tmobile. On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 7:27 AM, Paul Meyer wrote: > Parents who have enough money to spend thousands on their kids > electronics are probably spending ungodly hours at work in the first > place to be able to afford it. Kids of "successful" parents typically > feel ignored, or worse, don't realize what they've missed. Not a > choice I would make personally. > > > - Original Message > From: Jeff Wright > To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:21:21 PM > Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Advertising for cell phones > > > These days a $1,600 computer > > for a nine year old is par for the course, along with the cellphone, > > the game machine. the digital camera and Lord knows what else. And we > > wonder why so many seem to need special ed to know the difference > > betewwn work and play? > > Even then, there are levels of magnitude in kid-dom. > > My kids having been using computers since they were 2. I feel it's > important for them to have that skill. They get my hand-built > hand-me-downs. > > I bought an 4-year old Xbox from a cousin for $75. My son used his > allowance to buy a used Gamecube the other day. It's probably 5 or 6 years > old, but he loves playing Mario Bros Smash. They have limits on playing > time. No gaming during the week while school's in and bad grades will make > the games disappear altogether. > > TV is heavily controlled. Good behavior is rewarded. Bad behavior, not so > much. > > My daughter has a 2 Gig Sansa Clip, that she got for Xmas and has a $50, > bottom-of-the-line digital camera to encourage her creative side, which is > quite creative. She uses it all the time, making stop-motion movies with > it. I might give my son my old 1 Gig Sansa. > > They don't have cell phones, PSPs, Nintendo DSi's, a Wii nor an iPhone nor > any of the other gold plated gadgets that all their friends seem to have. > > They read quite a bit, play outside and play with Legos, too. My daughter > writes poetry, makes films, draws prodigiously and my son, well, he's not > too creative, but he loves playing sports. I believe that everything can > be > done in moderation without them becoming complete slackers. > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Parents who have enough money to spend thousands on their kids electronics are probably spending ungodly hours at work in the first place to be able to afford it. Kids of "successful" parents typically feel ignored, or worse, don't realize what they've missed. Not a choice I would make personally. - Original Message From: Jeff Wright To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:21:21 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Advertising for cell phones > These days a $1,600 computer > for a nine year old is par for the course, along with the cellphone, > the game machine. the digital camera and Lord knows what else. And we > wonder why so many seem to need special ed to know the difference > betewwn work and play? Even then, there are levels of magnitude in kid-dom. My kids having been using computers since they were 2. I feel it's important for them to have that skill. They get my hand-built hand-me-downs. I bought an 4-year old Xbox from a cousin for $75. My son used his allowance to buy a used Gamecube the other day. It's probably 5 or 6 years old, but he loves playing Mario Bros Smash. They have limits on playing time. No gaming during the week while school's in and bad grades will make the games disappear altogether. TV is heavily controlled. Good behavior is rewarded. Bad behavior, not so much. My daughter has a 2 Gig Sansa Clip, that she got for Xmas and has a $50, bottom-of-the-line digital camera to encourage her creative side, which is quite creative. She uses it all the time, making stop-motion movies with it. I might give my son my old 1 Gig Sansa. They don't have cell phones, PSPs, Nintendo DSi's, a Wii nor an iPhone nor any of the other gold plated gadgets that all their friends seem to have. They read quite a bit, play outside and play with Legos, too. My daughter writes poetry, makes films, draws prodigiously and my son, well, he's not too creative, but he loves playing sports. I believe that everything can be done in moderation without them becoming complete slackers. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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> Sports is now one of the most expensive and time consuming "hobbies" > a child can get involved in. A bumper sticker on the wall at the ice rink where my son is learning to play hockey: "Driver carries no cash. My child plays hockey." Yay. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I did competitive swimming in HS (local Swim Club) and all we were required to buy was the speedo in the correct team color. Sports is now one of the most expensive and time consuming "hobbies" a child can get involved in. Stewart At 06:53 PM 7/17/2009, you wrote: I'll mention one more little tidbit on this thread about youngsters and how their parents raise them. An article in the Thursday Washington Post described how parents of children on swim teams are being "forced" into buying their children the same type of high-tech swim suits that are used by olympic swimmers, i.e., Michael Phelps These suits cost around $500 and are only good for about a half dozen uses at which point they begin to stretch and lose their shape, causing a swimmer to swim even slower than they would without the suit. I am at a loss for further words. Steve Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: > Also leads me to ask, is the word "chores" obsolete now? Or at least > when it comes to children? Or is expecting a child to do chores now > considered child abuse? Hmmm, I wonder if that's where that work ethic might > have gone. I'll mention one more little tidbit on this thread about youngsters and how their parents raise them. An article in the Thursday Washington Post described how parents of children on swim teams are being "forced" into buying their children the same type of high-tech swim suits that are used by olympic swimmers, i.e., Michael Phelps These suits cost around $500 and are only good for about a half dozen uses at which point they begin to stretch and lose their shape, causing a swimmer to swim even slower than they would without the suit. I am at a loss for further words. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Also leads me to ask, is the word "chores" obsolete now? Or at least when it comes to children? Or is expecting a child to do chores now considered child abuse? Hmmm, I wonder if that's where that work ethic might have gone. Jeff M On Jul 16, 2009, at 3:44 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 6:11 PM, mike wrote: Your parents probably didn't anoint you either. From a young age, proving yourself was expected, so for you normal. Good point and true. They didn't go around buying me all sorts of crap. They apparently did not fear that I would loathe them if they failed to fill my toy box with just about anything I wanted. It seems crazy to me what parents will spend on their children. Back in my day as a youngster, that sort of behavior was pretty much only in the realm of the rich and very well heeled. These days a $1,600 computer for a nine year old is par for the course, along with the cellphone, the game machine. the digital camera and Lord knows what else. And we wonder why so many seem to need special ed to know the difference betewwn work and play? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: > They read quite a bit, play outside and play with Legos, too. My daughter > writes poetry, makes films, draws prodigiously and my son, well, he's not > too creative, but he loves playing sports. I believe that everything can be > done in moderation without them becoming complete slackers. I'd say that you and your children are doing a good job and avoiding the retched excess of expensive and elaborate digital and other electronic accoutrements that are, unfortunately, all too common. When I was house hunting a few months ago, I was somewhat astounded to see the rooms of some children in houses I was looking at. The computer/entertainment systems in the rooms of some kids had to be up in the triple thousands of dollars. Huge LCD or plasma TV/monitors, DVD players, multiple game systems, one or more computers, various portable music players. Plus, every house I was in, if kids were around, they were playing on these systems. None were outside, or washing dishes in the kitchen or hanging out with mom or dad. It was a bit bizarre...for me. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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> These days a $1,600 computer > for a nine year old is par for the course, along with the cellphone, > the game machine. the digital camera and Lord knows what else. And we > wonder why so many seem to need special ed to know the difference > betewwn work and play? Even then, there are levels of magnitude in kid-dom. My kids having been using computers since they were 2. I feel it's important for them to have that skill. They get my hand-built hand-me-downs. I bought an 4-year old Xbox from a cousin for $75. My son used his allowance to buy a used Gamecube the other day. It's probably 5 or 6 years old, but he loves playing Mario Bros Smash. They have limits on playing time. No gaming during the week while school's in and bad grades will make the games disappear altogether. TV is heavily controlled. Good behavior is rewarded. Bad behavior, not so much. My daughter has a 2 Gig Sansa Clip, that she got for Xmas and has a $50, bottom-of-the-line digital camera to encourage her creative side, which is quite creative. She uses it all the time, making stop-motion movies with it. I might give my son my old 1 Gig Sansa. They don't have cell phones, PSPs, Nintendo DSi's, a Wii nor an iPhone nor any of the other gold plated gadgets that all their friends seem to have. They read quite a bit, play outside and play with Legos, too. My daughter writes poetry, makes films, draws prodigiously and my son, well, he's not too creative, but he loves playing sports. I believe that everything can be done in moderation without them becoming complete slackers. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 6:11 PM, mike wrote: > Your parents probably didn't anoint you either. From a young age, proving > yourself was expected, so for you normal. Good point and true. They didn't go around buying me all sorts of crap. They apparently did not fear that I would loathe them if they failed to fill my toy box with just about anything I wanted. It seems crazy to me what parents will spend on their children. Back in my day as a youngster, that sort of behavior was pretty much only in the realm of the rich and very well heeled. These days a $1,600 computer for a nine year old is par for the course, along with the cellphone, the game machine. the digital camera and Lord knows what else. And we wonder why so many seem to need special ed to know the difference betewwn work and play? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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It was our culture plus expected behavior. Stewart At 05:00 PM 7/16/2009, you wrote: I was in school even a bit prior to that era, and I did not need to be educated in a classroom about how to behave when working on a job. It was instinctive with me. It wasn't play, it was work, even if for only 75 cents an hour. I was a young teen, but still knew, without anyone having to tell me, that work was work and play was play. Of course, that was a different era and kids back then did not assume themselves to be automatically anointed as they seem to feel these days. Steve Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Your parents probably didn't anoint you either. From a young age, proving yourself was expected, so for you normal. On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 3:00 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: > On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: > > >Several actually. And that was back in the 60's and 70's before > all > > this touchy feely type education. > > I was in school even a bit prior to that era, and I did not need to > be educated in a classroom about how to behave when working on a job. > It was instinctive with me. It wasn't play, it was work, even if for > only 75 cents an hour. I was a young teen, but still knew, without > anyone having to tell me, that work was work and play was play. Of > course, that was a different era and kids back then did not assume > themselves to be automatically anointed as they seem to feel these > days. > > Steve > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Jul 16, 2009, at 5:24 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: People are constantly complaining that schools aren't doing their job when it comes to education. But then they turn around and complain when their kids are given to much homework. It seems some parents believe kids learning starts at 8am and ends at 3pm. After that it's video game time. Some people. Some people are losers and they raise children who are losers too. They buy Vista for their kids too. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: > Several actually. And that was back in the 60's and 70's before all > this touchy feely type education. I was in school even a bit prior to that era, and I did not need to be educated in a classroom about how to behave when working on a job. It was instinctive with me. It wasn't play, it was work, even if for only 75 cents an hour. I was a young teen, but still knew, without anyone having to tell me, that work was work and play was play. Of course, that was a different era and kids back then did not assume themselves to be automatically anointed as they seem to feel these days. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Several actually. And that was back in the 60's and 70's before all this touchy feely type education. Oh wait, that stuff gets you arrested. I should say the understand/communicate in the way a phycologist would? That's not quite right either. Oh hell, it's like the saying on porn, you know it when you see it. Letting kids slide in school is similar. People are constantly complaining that schools aren't doing their job when it comes to education. But then they turn around and complain when their kids are given to much homework. It seems some parents believe kids learning starts at 8am and ends at 3pm. After that it's video game time. More? On Jul 15, 2009, at 5:15 PM, t.piwowar wrote: On Jul 15, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: On-the-job behavior should have been learned in grade school. What kind of school did you go to Oliver Twist? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Jul 15, 2009, at 11:39 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: If such convincing and absolute proof is going to be required at every turn in any such instance, noting is ever going to be done about the problem...if it is a problem. If it is a firing offense then an extraordinary level of proof is going to be required. First thing they need to do is lower the penalty to a level where the rule is more likely to be enforced. Next the rule needs to be changed to something that is observable. Reading can not be observed. Holding a book or newspaper in one's field of view is observable. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 8:14 PM, t.piwowar wrote > This one was reading a book. Allegedly reading a book is more like it. An investigation is underway during which time the operator is niot allowed to drive a bus. I believe that transit authorities are only admitting that the operator of the bus was photographed "holding" a book. The photo by itself apparently does not offer convincing evidence that the driver was actually "reading" the book. Perhaps it was absolutely clear to the person that the driver was reading, but the photo apparently fails to convincingly show that to be the case at the moment the photo was taken. If such convincing and absolute proof is going to be required at every turn in any such instance, noting is ever going to be done about the problem...if it is a problem. I have seen many a Metro bus driver in and around the DC area talking on their cell phones after the ban was instituted a few years ago, and surely numerous others saw the same thing and reported it, but it was seemingly never sufficient to really put the fear of getting caught into those operators. It is going to be a difficult nut to crack. Perhaps technology can help. Most buses are being fitted with cameras these days taht are trained on the passenger section. Why not have one focused on the operator that randomly takes a snapshot, not a movie. A truly random sequence of shots, wholly unpredictable, could create enough anxiety in those who would be tempted to cause them to not do it. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Jul 15, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: On-the-job behavior should have been learned in grade school. What kind of school did you go to Oliver Twist? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Jul 15, 2009, at 5:12 PM, mike wrote: I believe that's illegal, it is in some states at least. Jamming is illegal nationwide (FCC regs). Shielding with conductive paint is allowed. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Jul 15, 2009, at 4:41 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: If I'm thinking of the incident that Jeff W. is talking about, the bus driver was texting while driving. This one was reading a book. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Jul 15, 2009, at 4:41 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: You're a Mac advocate so I usually cut you slack, but sometimes you're just out there. Oh my, you missed the invisible smileys. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Jul 15, 2009, at 5:14 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: Texts aren't pointless. TWITTER is pointless. Twitter is for people who have nothing to say, but say it anyway. You all have me laughing. None of these technologies is pointless to somebody who sees their point. Each has a specific benefit that accrues to certain users and no benefit to others. Heck, even a netbook running Windows is going to be useful to somebody. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I agree with all. Have you ever texted? I tried once and realized how stupid the concept was. Why not just call, and if they weren't available, leave a voice message? Text messaging is stupid. I'd never pay for it as a parent. I send text messages to my son all the time. When he can't talk on his phone or get voicemail, he can get the text at a glance, and he replies quickly. I do the same with a few friends. Texting is especially convenient when I travel overseas. Unless I get pay for a local SIM card, voice calls are _EXPENSIVE_ --anywhere from $.75 to $5 per minute. Texts are 25-35 cents to send and 10 cents to receive. With an international SIM, texts are free to receive and around 25 euro cents or less to send. At home I send my texts from my email account. T-Mobile email to SMS is [cel...@tmomail.net; my son's AT&T email to SMS is [cel...@mobile.mycingular.com, and it's free to send; sorry, don't know Verizon or Sprint email to SMS addresses. I also send texts from my iPod touch. Sent quite a few from Greece in June. Texts aren't pointless. TWITTER is pointless. Twitter is for people who have nothing to say, but say it anyway. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I believe that's illegal, it is in some states at least. On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: >Just a thought here, but didn't theaters have, or do have something > that dampens the use of cell phones? And if so, why not incorporate this in > places where cell phones could be hazardous, like public life? > > Jeff M > > > > On Jul 14, 2009, at 10:45 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: >> >> This is now a big thing with the public transit agencies, after some high >>> profile incidents, where possible operator inattention (and may or may >>> not >>> have involved texting) led to death and injuries. DC and Baltimore >>> Metros >>> just banned cell phones for their drivers. >>> >> >> The DC Metro system banned cell phone use while operating a bus or >> train years ago. Metro has simply somewhat rephrased that ban and put >> it out for public consumption in the aftermath of the rail crash that >> took some lives. PR at work. The ban did not truly take effect or >> work then, and it will fail again to curb a lot of cell phone use. >> Why? Because too many people are emotionally addicted to their >> phones. >> >> Steve >> >> >> * >> ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** >> ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** >> * >> > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Just a thought here, but didn't theaters have, or do have something that dampens the use of cell phones? And if so, why not incorporate this in places where cell phones could be hazardous, like public life? Jeff M On Jul 14, 2009, at 10:45 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: This is now a big thing with the public transit agencies, after some high profile incidents, where possible operator inattention (and may or may not have involved texting) led to death and injuries. DC and Baltimore Metros just banned cell phones for their drivers. The DC Metro system banned cell phone use while operating a bus or train years ago. Metro has simply somewhat rephrased that ban and put it out for public consumption in the aftermath of the rail crash that took some lives. PR at work. The ban did not truly take effect or work then, and it will fail again to curb a lot of cell phone use. Why? Because too many people are emotionally addicted to their phones. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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They should start fining texting and cell phone users the same as they do drunk drivers. From what I've read, both the English and American insurance investigations have shown cell phones cause more accidents then drunk drivers. I listen to my local police scanner over the web. Police, at least here, stop more people for texting and cell phone use then you might think. Then again, that might be to the suffering economy. Fine more people rather then let them spend their money at Walmart. Jeff M On Jul 14, 2009, at 10:20 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: What I find amazing is that you have to tell someone to not text while driving. Get a brain morans! Virginia just passed a vicious law ($20 fine!) if you are caught texting while driving. Every person I know of who is a regular text messenger says they are not worried about this law one whit. Firstly, because the fine is so low it proves that there is really very little support for enforcing the law in the first place, and secondly, how is any police officer ever going to be able to catch anyone actually texting while driving. All these folks say this new law is not going to stop them from texting any time and anywhere they feel like it. One ADULT said it is a violation of her rights! Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I thought it was where kids were warehoused until their parents got home from work and could then teach their kids to parrot back the homework sent home with them. You mean the kids were supposed to learn something beyond playground / lunchroom rules while at school? Matthew On Jul 15, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: And some people wonder why our school system here in the US is so lacking. On-the-job behavior should have been learned in grade school. After all, schooling is, or was supposed to be, learning to do a job and how to act and be productive in adult life. Jeff M On Jul 14, 2009, at 10:16 AM, t.piwowar wrote: This is true of almost anybody on their first job. They have to learn that on-the-job behavior is different from off-the-job behavior. Up to now they have only experienced the latter. That's the point of a first job. On Jul 14, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Mike Sloane wrote: And we had to make it absolutely clear that doing any of that stuff while driving county vehicles was grounds for dismissal. The kids were taken aback when this was discussed - constant yakking and texting are such normal parts of their lives that it never occurred to them that they weren't supposed to be doing it while working and that the county pays them to work, not do idle chatter. (For most of them, the job with the commission is their first employment experience.) They are permitted to use the cellphones for emergencies when away from the vehicles or when the truck radios are out of range - they are often working in very remote areas of the county. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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You're a Mac advocate so I usually cut you slack, but sometimes you're just out there. If I'm thinking of the incident that Jeff W. is talking about, the bus driver was texting while driving. I also heard of something like this in Disney World lately. It's been awhile since I've been there, but I don't remember these monorails running opposite directions on the same track. Maybe I'm just thinking of the Seattle monorail. No, that can't be. The Disney monorail is 13 or so years younger then the Seattle one. If Seattle had figured this out I'm Sure Disney would have as well. Jeff M On Jul 14, 2009, at 10:18 AM, t.piwowar wrote: So somebody just used their evil cell phone to take pictures of the bus driver reading a book while driving. Anyone for book burning? On Jul 14, 2009, at 12:26 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: This is now a big thing with the public transit agencies, after some high profile incidents, where possible operator inattention (and may or may not have involved texting) led to death and injuries. DC and Baltimore Metros just banned cell phones for their drivers. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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And some people wonder why our school system here in the US is so lacking. On-the-job behavior should have been learned in grade school. After all, schooling is, or was supposed to be, learning to do a job and how to act and be productive in adult life. Jeff M On Jul 14, 2009, at 10:16 AM, t.piwowar wrote: This is true of almost anybody on their first job. They have to learn that on-the-job behavior is different from off-the-job behavior. Up to now they have only experienced the latter. That's the point of a first job. On Jul 14, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Mike Sloane wrote: And we had to make it absolutely clear that doing any of that stuff while driving county vehicles was grounds for dismissal. The kids were taken aback when this was discussed - constant yakking and texting are such normal parts of their lives that it never occurred to them that they weren't supposed to be doing it while working and that the county pays them to work, not do idle chatter. (For most of them, the job with the commission is their first employment experience.) They are permitted to use the cellphones for emergencies when away from the vehicles or when the truck radios are out of range - they are often working in very remote areas of the county. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I can't believe my eyes, After all this time I actually agree with 100% of what TP wrote. :) Most of the time my BS filter intercepts TP's rants but this time He is correct. What the hell is this world coming to.? Rich At 12:03 PM 7/14/2009, you wrote: Date:Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:52:24 -0400 From:"t.piwowar" Subject: Re: Advertising for cell phones Don't blame technology if the problem is bad management. Note that in some cases, playing Solitaire can actually boost productivity. People who are working hard can't effectively maintain that pace all day long. Taking a break can be a good thing. Looks to me like the real problem is that you should be working someplace else. Your current work environment is not doing your psyche any good. On Jul 14, 2009, at 9:21 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: I do too, and that is why the use of technology as I have described bugs me so much. This person does not get their work done on time because of routine abuse of her cell phone in a work environment. What does that mean to me as a coworker? It means that I get the remainder of the job at the last damn minute and have to bust my ass as a result as she kicks back on yet another phone call. Will the boss do anything? Heck no, because the boss is out front playing solitaire on the computer a goodly part of the day. The more I read and hear about how much computers and cell phones disrupt the workplace, the more I believe it because I see it with my own eyes all the time. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: > This is now a big thing with the public transit agencies, after some high > profile incidents, where possible operator inattention (and may or may not > have involved texting) led to death and injuries. DC and Baltimore Metros > just banned cell phones for their drivers. The DC Metro system banned cell phone use while operating a bus or train years ago. Metro has simply somewhat rephrased that ban and put it out for public consumption in the aftermath of the rail crash that took some lives. PR at work. The ban did not truly take effect or work then, and it will fail again to curb a lot of cell phone use. Why? Because too many people are emotionally addicted to their phones. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 1:18 PM, t.piwowar wrote: > So somebody just used their evil cell phone to take pictures of the bus > driver reading a book while driving. Anyone for book burning? Maybe he was reading a book about how to best be able to operate a bus. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Jul 14, 2009, at 12:03 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: Yes, I can block X. However, that still doesn't address the problem that was causing people to use X instead of doing more productive work. Wasting time on the Internet is a symptom. You have a personnel problem, not a technological problem. Maybe their Facebook friends are helping with the job? You never know. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 1:13 PM, t.piwowar wrote: > Maybe their Facebook friends are helping with the job? You never know. Gimme a break. They are all too narcissistic for that. Al they want to do is talk about themselves. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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So somebody just used their evil cell phone to take pictures of the bus driver reading a book while driving. Anyone for book burning? On Jul 14, 2009, at 12:26 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: This is now a big thing with the public transit agencies, after some high profile incidents, where possible operator inattention (and may or may not have involved texting) led to death and injuries. DC and Baltimore Metros just banned cell phones for their drivers. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: > What I find amazing is that you have to tell someone to not text while > driving. Get a brain morans! Virginia just passed a vicious law ($20 fine!) if you are caught texting while driving. Every person I know of who is a regular text messenger says they are not worried about this law one whit. Firstly, because the fine is so low it proves that there is really very little support for enforcing the law in the first place, and secondly, how is any police officer ever going to be able to catch anyone actually texting while driving. All these folks say this new law is not going to stop them from texting any time and anywhere they feel like it. One ADULT said it is a violation of her rights! Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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This is true of almost anybody on their first job. They have to learn that on-the-job behavior is different from off-the-job behavior. Up to now they have only experienced the latter. That's the point of a first job. On Jul 14, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Mike Sloane wrote: And we had to make it absolutely clear that doing any of that stuff while driving county vehicles was grounds for dismissal. The kids were taken aback when this was discussed - constant yakking and texting are such normal parts of their lives that it never occurred to them that they weren't supposed to be doing it while working and that the county pays them to work, not do idle chatter. (For most of them, the job with the commission is their first employment experience.) They are permitted to use the cellphones for emergencies when away from the vehicles or when the truck radios are out of range - they are often working in very remote areas of the county. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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> Truly amazing! > > We has a somewhat similar problem. I am the chair of our county mosquito > control commission. Every summer we hire seasonal workers, usually > college science students, to do field work - surveying for breeding > sites, etc. This year we found that we had to develop and promulgate a > "cell phone policy" and explain to the workers that texting and chatting > on the cellphone was not acceptable during work time. And we had to make > it absolutely clear that doing any of that stuff while driving county > vehicles was grounds for dismissal. What I find amazing is that you have to tell someone to not text while driving. Get a brain morans! This is now a big thing with the public transit agencies, after some high profile incidents, where possible operator inattention (and may or may not have involved texting) led to death and injuries. DC and Baltimore Metros just banned cell phones for their drivers. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Truly amazing! We has a somewhat similar problem. I am the chair of our county mosquito control commission. Every summer we hire seasonal workers, usually college science students, to do field work - surveying for breeding sites, etc. This year we found that we had to develop and promulgate a "cell phone policy" and explain to the workers that texting and chatting on the cellphone was not acceptable during work time. And we had to make it absolutely clear that doing any of that stuff while driving county vehicles was grounds for dismissal. The kids were taken aback when this was discussed - constant yakking and texting are such normal parts of their lives that it never occurred to them that they weren't supposed to be doing it while working and that the county pays them to work, not do idle chatter. (For most of them, the job with the commission is their first employment experience.) They are permitted to use the cellphones for emergencies when away from the vehicles or when the truck radios are out of range - they are often working in very remote areas of the county. Mike Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: By the way I have had to add a no cell phone announcement to our weekly bulletin to remind folks to disconnect during worship. Stewart * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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> Don't blame the technology blame the people. Agreed. I tell this to our managers when they want to know if X on the Internet can be blocked because their staff are spending too much time on it. Usually, it's Facebook. Yes, I can block X. However, that still doesn't address the problem that was causing people to use X instead of doing more productive work. Wasting time on the Internet is a symptom. You have a personnel problem, not a technological problem. And yes, people need breaks during the day. It's up to mgmt to make sure staff (and other managers) don't abuse those breaks. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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All of these excuses remind me of my kid. "But I have to know where my friend's at, so I know what he's doing, so I know what we're going to do later." And what are you going to do later? "Nothing, you know, hang out, and stuff." By the way, just kind of my feelings on the matter, but not using text means you've grown up. I have a vibration/silent mode on my cheap TMobile phone. It seems to work fine for me. Of course I don't have people trying to contact me every 5 seconds. If I did I'd find different people. What's that rather rude saying about people who have to ask you every damn thing? Do you want me to wipe your butt for you? Jeff M On Jul 12, 2009, at 9:59 AM, t.piwowar wrote: On Jul 12, 2009, at 10:51 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Some studies have apparently found that most cell phone usage is simply related to something that birds do all the time. Birds send out messages to each other in the form of songs, chirps or tweets. It's called "social interaction." Some people have trouble with that, but it is very useful when coordinating activities with a group of people. It will let you know if people's plans have changed or if they are on schedule. Knowing this allows one to schedule one own's time much more effectively. I recently suggested to a doctor that his office start to use Twitter. That way when he had an emergency and was suddenly running very behind schedule his patients would be aware and could adjust accordingly. Ideally a few patients who were most able to reschedule would call in to do that. This would quickly get him back on schedule with little extra work for his staff and a major benefit for the rest of his patients. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * The primary way my staff contacts me is by text. When a text message arrives my phone beeps once, barely interrupting whatever I'm doing. Then when I'm ready to take messages I can quickly read my texts and reply. In many situations voice messaging is highly disruptive to those around you. Not using text is inconsiderate. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Don't blame the technology blame the people. Part of the problem with technology is that it can be used to cover our inadequacies and take the place of real dialogue. My wife is normally very timid and self conscious. If I take her out she will stand by my side and not say much, but get her behind an email client and she can be horrible. Very many folks have NOT been taught interpersonal communication skills. It is much like pre marital counseling. No couple wants to admit they fight but when you get down to it, they have never been taught how to fight fairly but to avoid fights. People have not been taught proper interpersonal communication skills. I have seen this in schools with teachers who can barely give presentations to parents as they do not know how to communicate with them. Technology is just what they are using to show that inadequacy of interpersonal communication skills. Technology is a tool, as such it can be used for good and bad. You just happen to be seeing some of the bad. By the way I have had to add a no cell phone announcement to our weekly bulletin to remind folks to disconnect during worship. Stewart At 10:16 AM 7/14/2009, you wrote: It's only a part-time gig, like two or less days a week. I can deal with it. I did recently go to ask about a similar job at another place, and the woman I was talking to about the job could hardly take her eyes off her computer screen the whole time I was speaking with her. I began thinking that this fixation that people have with technology, and how it can suck you in must be becoming an epidemic. Steve Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 10:52 AM, t.piwowar wrote: > Don't blame technology if the problem is bad management. It is bad management, that much is for sure. However, the fact the persons can hold their tiny cell phones under a desk and therefore mask the fact that they are text messaging is, in fact, an "attribute" of the technology. > Note that in some cases, playing Solitaire can actually boost productivity. > People who are working hard can't effectively maintain that pace all day > long. Taking a break can be a good thing. I agree with you point about taking breaks from work. The boss at this place takes too many breaks to play solitaire on the computer, and as a result of that, is essentially quilty herself of doing what one of the employees is doing. That makes it difficult for her to be able to effectively confront the employee. > Looks to me like the real problem is that you should be working someplace > else. Your current work environment is not doing your psyche any good. It's only a part-time gig, like two or less days a week. I can deal with it. I did recently go to ask about a similar job at another place, and the woman I was talking to about the job could hardly take her eyes off her computer screen the whole time I was speaking with her. I began thinking that this fixation that people have with technology, and how it can suck you in must be becoming an epidemic. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Don't blame technology if the problem is bad management. Note that in some cases, playing Solitaire can actually boost productivity. People who are working hard can't effectively maintain that pace all day long. Taking a break can be a good thing. Looks to me like the real problem is that you should be working someplace else. Your current work environment is not doing your psyche any good. On Jul 14, 2009, at 9:21 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: I do too, and that is why the use of technology as I have described bugs me so much. This person does not get their work done on time because of routine abuse of her cell phone in a work environment. What does that mean to me as a coworker? It means that I get the remainder of the job at the last damn minute and have to bust my ass as a result as she kicks back on yet another phone call. Will the boss do anything? Heck no, because the boss is out front playing solitaire on the computer a goodly part of the day. The more I read and hear about how much computers and cell phones disrupt the workplace, the more I believe it because I see it with my own eyes all the time. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 10:50 PM, t.piwowar wrote: > I judge people by what they accomplish, not whether the look good while > accomplishing it. I do too, and that is why the use of technology as I have described bugs me so much. This person does not get their work done on time because of routine abuse of her cell phone in a work environment. What does that mean to me as a coworker? It means that I get the remainder of the job at the last damn minute and have to bust my ass as a result as she kicks back on yet another phone call. Will the boss do anything? Heck no, because the boss is out front playing solitaire on the computer a goodly part of the day. The more I read and hear about how much computers and cell phones disrupt the workplace, the more I believe it because I see it with my own eyes all the time. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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You own cell phone stock don't you? On Jul 13, 2009, at 7:50 PM, t.piwowar wrote: On Jul 13, 2009, at 7:51 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: I'd say that about one to two hours a day on the phone is kinda normal. Now, to me, that is very bad, and indicates some sort of an emotional problem. I judge people by what they accomplish, not whether the look good while accomplishing it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Jul 13, 2009, at 7:51 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: I'd say that about one to two hours a day on the phone is kinda normal. Now, to me, that is very bad, and indicates some sort of an emotional problem. I judge people by what they accomplish, not whether the look good while accomplishing it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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There you go. I think I've heard the same story about 20 times. And telling her you've heard this before doesn't stop her. I have been reduced to using the away or invisible option on iChat. The persons who included these options truly understand how annoying cell phones can be. Jeff M On Jul 13, 2009, at 4:02 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: A wife of a friend of mine calls and ichats all the time. It's annoying as hell. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/misanthropy Or, she's just annoying as hell. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Wrong. You mention 6-7 interactions being not noteworthy. You failed to include 6-7 cell phone interactions. At the work place, if your job doesn't require a phone, it's very noteworthy. If it isn't required and interrupts job performance the person should be warned. If the activity isn't stopped they should be fired. Cell phone use by some has seemed to require social interaction that is unnecessary. What, were we a bunch of social hermits before cell phones? I know I had plenty of friends. Where have they all gone? Oh that's right, they're all on the cell phone so no longer feel the need to drop by. Jeff M On Jul 13, 2009, at 3:43 PM, t.piwowar wrote: This is fairly normal behavior for humans. Normal people are very social. They like to interact with other people and make plans for future opportunities for further social interaction. "6 to 7" instances of social interaction in an 8 hour work day is hardly noteworthy. On Jul 12, 2009, at 11:58 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: A lady who works where I do talks on her cell phone while at work about 6 to 7 times a day, and gets or sends a similar number of text messages each day as well. I know for a fact that it is, with very few exceptions, nothing but idle chit-chat of no importance, yet she is compelled to do it daily. There must be some clinical term for her compulsive habit. I'd say "craving attention" but that is not really a clinical term. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Tony B wrote: > One of my bosses is like this. She'll get on the phone with a client > and spend an hour without thinking anything of it. Talking with a client is one thing, but just jabbering with friends and acquaintances is quite another. The later is what I am talking about. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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One of my bosses is like this. She'll get on the phone with a client
and spend an hour without thinking anything of it. e.g. When I
answered phones, I'd get their number/email and send a fax/email with
directions. She laboriously walks them through directions on the
phone, having them write it down. Takes forever, and she often juggles
calls on call waiting ("Hold on. I'll be back in just a second").
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 7:51 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:
> not find particularly noteworthy in an office environment. However,
> what if I told you, and I probably should have done so in the initial
> post, that this gal often spends a half hour or so on a call? She
> will even leave her seat at her desk to find a more comfortable chair
> for the duration of some of her conversations. I'd say that about one
> to two hours a day on the phone is kinda normal. Now, to me, that is
> very bad, and indicates some sort of an emotional problem.
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On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 6:43 PM, t.piwowar wrote: > This is fairly normal behavior for humans. Normal people are very social. > They like to interact with other people and make plans for future > opportunities for further social interaction. "6 to 7" instances of social > interaction in an 8 hour work day is hardly noteworthy. Perhaps the total number of calls, er, "social interaction," you do not find particularly noteworthy in an office environment. However, what if I told you, and I probably should have done so in the initial post, that this gal often spends a half hour or so on a call? She will even leave her seat at her desk to find a more comfortable chair for the duration of some of her conversations. I'd say that about one to two hours a day on the phone is kinda normal. Now, to me, that is very bad, and indicates some sort of an emotional problem. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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> This is fairly normal behavior for humans. Normal people are very > social. They like to interact with other people and make plans for > future opportunities for further social interaction. "6 to 7" > instances of social interaction in an 8 hour work day is hardly > noteworthy. I read that as she doesn't have enough work to do if she has enough time to chat on her personal cell phone 6-7 times per day. Of course, she could be talking to her mother, but the fact remains. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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> > A wife of a friend of mine calls and ichats all the time. It's > > annoying as hell. > > http://www.thefreedictionary.com/misanthropy Or, she's just annoying as hell. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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This is fairly normal behavior for humans. Normal people are very social. They like to interact with other people and make plans for future opportunities for further social interaction. "6 to 7" instances of social interaction in an 8 hour work day is hardly noteworthy. On Jul 12, 2009, at 11:58 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: A lady who works where I do talks on her cell phone while at work about 6 to 7 times a day, and gets or sends a similar number of text messages each day as well. I know for a fact that it is, with very few exceptions, nothing but idle chit-chat of no importance, yet she is compelled to do it daily. There must be some clinical term for her compulsive habit. I'd say "craving attention" but that is not really a clinical term. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Jul 12, 2009, at 10:47 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: A wife of a friend of mine calls and ichats all the time. It's annoying as hell. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/misanthropy * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Alas, this was true in the Old Days, but as has been pointed out on this list before, what used to be classic phone service has slowly been changing over the years. Sometimes it's obvious when someone installs VOIP, sometimes it's not so obvious when the phone company just changes things behind the scenes. I know in my own case it made no sense to be paying the hefty price for a classic landline from the phone company once I had broadband, so I went VOIP a couple years ago. On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 10:47 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: > I've found the land line phone the most reliable, especially in power > outages. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 10:47 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: > A wife of a friend of mine calls and ichats all the time. It's > annoying as hell. Some people just feel the need? Even when they have > nothing to say? I frequently leave my cell phone at home. I just have it for > emergencies when traveling. And leaving it home gives me a great excuse. I was reading an Associated Press story this evening about how many younger office workers, in and around the 22 to 34 year old bracket KI am supposing, are virtually addicted to their cell phones, and consider them to be a virtual body part. Many sleep with their phones, and suffer anxiety attacks when their phones will not work from battery power losses or other causes. I am talking here about males and females. These same workers think that their employers should allow them to access their narcissistic networking sites on a regular basis while at work, and many employers are caving in to these demands simply to avoid the confrontations that would ensue if their workers broke the rules and were caught accessing the internet while they are supposed to be working. An awful lot of these younger folks think that almost unfettered use of their various communications devices is almost akin to eating or breathing. I recall seeing some video footage of the crowd outside of the Staples Center in Los Angeles as they waiting to see if they could get tickets to the MJ memorial ceremony. I was hard pressed to find a single person in the crowd of what appeared to be hundreds who were not either talking on, texting or gawking at their cell phones. I know of younger couples who have arguments with their mates related to whether or not they were ignoring calls or texts that were coming to their cell phones. These calls or texts were of the "Where are you?" nature, and resulted in the offended party angrily hurling the other's cell phone and smashing it. My, my. Expectations of instantaneous response running amok. A lady who works where I do talks on her cell phone while at work about 6 to 7 times a day, and gets or sends a similar number of text messages each day as well. I know for a fact that it is, with very few exceptions, nothing but idle chit-chat of no importance, yet she is compelled to do it daily. There must be some clinical term for her compulsive habit. I'd say "craving attention" but that is not really a clinical term. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 3:33 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: > On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 12:50 PM, t.piwowar wrote: > > > The primary way my staff contacts me is by text. When a text message > arrives > > my phone beeps once, barely interrupting whatever I'm doing. Then when > I'm > > ready to take messages I can quickly read my texts and reply. In many > > situations voice messaging is highly disruptive to those around you. Not > > using text is inconsiderate. > > What to do about those folks who expect or even demand an instant > response from you when they either text or call? It is becoming > increasing common for cell phone devotees to expect instant responses, > and when that does not happen, they often fly off the handle, losing > their cool. Such it is in the modern world of expectations of instant > gratification. > My basic rule is texts are replied to when convenient for me. Voice demands immediate attention, texts are a when you can get to it sort of message. My wife was having problems with her vocal chords a few years ago and was not allowed to speak for a couple of months. We got used to texting as our primary mode of tele-communication. I'm missing the alert tones/vibrations on my cell phone fairly frequently these days of loose shorts. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I've found the land line phone the most reliable, especially in power outages. Don't mean to be disagreeable but I hate cell phones in general. Texting just makes them that much worse. I don't know your age so this might not be an appropriate question, but what did you do before cell phones? A wife of a friend of mine calls and ichats all the time. It's annoying as hell. Some people just feel the need? Even when they have nothing to say? I frequently leave my cell phone at home. I just have it for emergencies when traveling. And leaving it home gives me a great excuse. Jeff M On Jul 12, 2009, at 4:02 AM, Tony B wrote: The shared nature of the cell phone system makes texting much more reliable than voice. The first thing to go down during any emergency is cell phones. The voice part, anyway. I use it all the time to email the wife. I don't have a cell phone myself, but she generally doesn't have a laptop at work, nor can she answer calls all day. But for quick notes like the grocery list, or just a weather report "Storms heading your way XOXO" texting is great. On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 5:29 AM, Jeff Miles wrote: I agree with all. Have you ever texted? I tried once and realized how stupid the concept was. Why not just call, and if they weren't available, leave a voice message? Text messaging is stupid. I'd never pay for it as a parent. I don't use it as an adult. So my feeling is, unless you're camping or elsewhere needing emergency contact, cell phones are a pain in the butt, especially when given to children. For those who want to keep track of their kids, I like the chip implant idea best. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Jul 12, 2009, at 3:42 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: meaningless jabber = social interaction. QED * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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That's why I have talented staff. Customers don't get my number. On Jul 12, 2009, at 3:33 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: What to do about those folks who expect or even demand an instant response from you when they either text or call? It is becoming increasing common for cell phone devotees to expect instant responses, and when that does not happen, they often fly off the handle, losing their cool. Such it is in the modern world of expectations of instant gratification. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 12:59 PM, t.piwowar wrote: > It's called "social interaction." Some people have trouble with that, but it > is very useful when coordinating activities with a group of people. It will > let you know if people's plans have changed or if they are on schedule. > Knowing this allows one to schedule one own's time much more effectively. I was not really talking about that. I was referring to folks who really want to simply know where someone is, as opposed to situations such as you have described. I am reminded of a child riding in the back seat of a car who keeps asking, "Are we there yet?" That is the type of silly queries I was getting at. All too many people just have to talk, even if it is essentially meaningless jabber or silly and non-essential text messaging. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 12:50 PM, t.piwowar wrote: > The primary way my staff contacts me is by text. When a text message arrives > my phone beeps once, barely interrupting whatever I'm doing. Then when I'm > ready to take messages I can quickly read my texts and reply. In many > situations voice messaging is highly disruptive to those around you. Not > using text is inconsiderate. What to do about those folks who expect or even demand an instant response from you when they either text or call? It is becoming increasing common for cell phone devotees to expect instant responses, and when that does not happen, they often fly off the handle, losing their cool. Such it is in the modern world of expectations of instant gratification. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Jul 12, 2009, at 5:29 AM, Jeff Miles wrote: I agree with all. Have you ever texted? I tried once and realized how stupid the concept was. Why not just call, and if they weren't available, leave a voice message? The primary way my staff contacts me is by text. When a text message arrives my phone beeps once, barely interrupting whatever I'm doing. Then when I'm ready to take messages I can quickly read my texts and reply. In many situations voice messaging is highly disruptive to those around you. Not using text is inconsiderate. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Jul 12, 2009, at 10:51 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Some studies have apparently found that most cell phone usage is simply related to something that birds do all the time. Birds send out messages to each other in the form of songs, chirps or tweets. It's called "social interaction." Some people have trouble with that, but it is very useful when coordinating activities with a group of people. It will let you know if people's plans have changed or if they are on schedule. Knowing this allows one to schedule one own's time much more effectively. I recently suggested to a doctor that his office start to use Twitter. That way when he had an emergency and was suddenly running very behind schedule his patients would be aware and could adjust accordingly. Ideally a few patients who were most able to reschedule would call in to do that. This would quickly get him back on schedule with little extra work for his staff and a major benefit for the rest of his patients. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 5:29 AM, Jeff Miles wrote: > I agree with all. Have you ever texted? I tried once and realized how > stupid the concept was. Why not just call, and if they weren't available, > leave a voice message? Text messaging is stupid. I'd never pay for it as a > parent. I don't use it as an adult. So my feeling is, unless you're camping > or elsewhere needing emergency contact, cell phones are a pain in the butt, > especially when given to children. Some studies have apparently found that most cell phone usage is simply related to something that birds do all the time. Birds send out messages to each other in the form of songs, chirps or tweets. These streams of messages basically say something along the lines of, "I am here. Where are you?" This is what most people primarily use their cell phones for, a series of calls back and forth to each other asking the same question, "I am here. Where are you?" Or, "Where are you? I am here." Kinda silly as an ongoing, usually unnecessary exercise. Next time you are able to overhear folks placing ot receiving a cell phone call, see how many of those are apparently initiated primarily to identify the location of the other party. You will be surprised at how often thisis done. Chances are you do it routinely, often as the very first query posed to the person who answers, but without even realizing how inane such usage can be. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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The shared nature of the cell phone system makes texting much more reliable than voice. The first thing to go down during any emergency is cell phones. The voice part, anyway. I use it all the time to email the wife. I don't have a cell phone myself, but she generally doesn't have a laptop at work, nor can she answer calls all day. But for quick notes like the grocery list, or just a weather report "Storms heading your way XOXO" texting is great. On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 5:29 AM, Jeff Miles wrote: > I agree with all. Have you ever texted? I tried once and realized how > stupid the concept was. Why not just call, and if they weren't available, > leave a voice message? Text messaging is stupid. I'd never pay for it as a > parent. I don't use it as an adult. So my feeling is, unless you're camping > or elsewhere needing emergency contact, cell phones are a pain in the butt, > especially when given to children. For those who want to keep track of their > kids, I like the chip implant idea best. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I agree with all. Have you ever texted? I tried once and realized how stupid the concept was. Why not just call, and if they weren't available, leave a voice message? Text messaging is stupid. I'd never pay for it as a parent. I don't use it as an adult. So my feeling is, unless you're camping or elsewhere needing emergency contact, cell phones are a pain in the butt, especially when given to children. For those who want to keep track of their kids, I like the chip implant idea best. Jeff M On Jul 11, 2009, at 5:19 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 1:50 AM, Constance Warner wrote: I also wonder if there's a point--maybe in the mid 30's--when the realization dawns that you don't have an unlimited number of hours on this earth; so it becomes very annoying to spend some of those hours messing around with yet another gadget that, when you finally master it, will let your boss page you at 3 a.m. or require you to finish a report on the bus the next morning [to take an example from an actual ad]. Cell phones are clearly, to me at least, a more recent tool in the arsenal of human virtual enslavement products. I refer particularly to those NexTel phones that are handed out by employers to all those folks who work out of and drive around in those white commercial trucks and vans with the ladders on top. Of course, the smart phone [or blackberry or whatever] also functions as a highly potent STATUS SYMBOL, which is probably a large part of the message of the cellphone ads. I go to networking events [when I'm lucky enough to find them] where people just assume that if you're a person of substance, you're carrying a handheld device with twice the computing power it took NASA to land Armstrong on the moon in 1969. Ain't that the truth. And the learning curve for those devices is so huge that by the time one is half way to figuring it out, the new model is released and you gotta get it unless you want folks to be talking about you behind your back. It is nuts. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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It's not the gadget, it's the benefit. I was a late adopter for both PDAs and cell phones, but the learning was easy when the time came when I needed what they provided -- it was easy because I got an immediate benefit. Learning about Windows has always been a chore, the profit motive was a motivator, but not that strong a motivator. On Jul 11, 2009, at 1:50 AM, Constance Warner wrote: I also wonder at what point the effort at learning yet ANOTHER gadget, operating system and software package FAR outweighs the time you're supposed to save by using the new device. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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And people who think of me as a "tech savvy " guy don't understand why I don't have a cell phone. Don't sweat it. They think I should IM and Twitter, too. My attention span appears to be too long for that, unfortunately. I'm required to carry a cell phone, for work. But I don't have to answer it. :-) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 1:50 AM, Constance Warner wrote: > I also wonder if there's a point--maybe in the mid 30's--when the > realization dawns that you don't have an unlimited number of hours on this > earth; so it becomes very annoying to spend some of those hours messing > around with yet another gadget that, when you finally master it, will let > your boss page you at 3 a.m. or require you to finish a report on the bus > the next morning [to take an example from an actual ad]. Cell phones are clearly, to me at least, a more recent tool in the arsenal of human virtual enslavement products. I refer particularly to those NexTel phones that are handed out by employers to all those folks who work out of and drive around in those white commercial trucks and vans with the ladders on top. > Of course, the smart phone [or blackberry or whatever] also functions as a > highly potent STATUS SYMBOL, which is probably a large part of the message > of the cellphone ads. I go to networking events [when I'm lucky enough to > find them] where people just assume that if you're a person of substance, > you're carrying a handheld device with twice the computing power it took > NASA to land Armstrong on the moon in 1969. Ain't that the truth. And the learning curve for those devices is so huge that by the time one is half way to figuring it out, the new model is released and you gotta get it unless you want folks to be talking about you behind your back. It is nuts. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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How true! I also wonder at what point the effort at learning yet ANOTHER gadget, operating system and software package FAR outweighs the time you're supposed to save by using the new device. I also wonder if there's a point--maybe in the mid 30's--when the realization dawns that you don't have an unlimited number of hours on this earth; so it becomes very annoying to spend some of those hours messing around with yet another gadget that, when you finally master it, will let your boss page you at 3 a.m. or require you to finish a report on the bus the next morning [to take an example from an actual ad]. Of course, the smart phone [or blackberry or whatever] also functions as a highly potent STATUS SYMBOL, which is probably a large part of the message of the cellphone ads. I go to networking events [when I'm lucky enough to find them] where people just assume that if you're a person of substance, you're carrying a handheld device with twice the computing power it took NASA to land Armstrong on the moon in 1969. Naturally, I don't tell anyone that I still write phone numbers and other vital information on index cards. --Constance Warner On Jul 10, 2009, at 5:20 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: I think that many advertisements for cell phones attempt to suggest that anyone who is not filling every waking second of every day with activity is not experiencing the best that life has to offer. Those same ads also seem to reinforce to those who are already stretched to the limit that they can use the advertised cell phone to enable them to cram even more work or other activity into whatever precious and wasted few seconds that are not booked up already. No time for relaxation in this world! Gotta go, go, go, go, go. A few tidbits form a recent Sprint advertising flyer I got in the mail: "Running your life requires some running around. From business meetings to family meetings to meeting somewhere in the middle..." No time for kicking back in that one. "Never a dull moment." No rest here. "Work, play and all the spaces in between demand service..." Can't heave a sigh of relief and sneak a nap in the hammock anymore. "The days of waiting for technology to catch up with your life are long gone." No need to slow down and smell the roses now. Steve ** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** ** *** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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And people who think of me as a "tech savvy " guy don't understand why I don't have a cell phone. I am a man who like to "slow down (and sometimes stop) and smell the roses ." Steve B phartz...@gmail.com wrote: I think that many advertisements for cell phones attempt to suggest that anyone who is not filling every waking second of every day with activity is not experiencing the best that life has to offer. Those same ads also seem to reinforce to those who are already stretched to the limit that they can use the advertised cell phone to enable them to cram even more work or other activity into whatever precious and wasted few seconds that are not booked up already. No time for relaxation in this world! Gotta go, go, go, go, go. A few tidbits form a recent Sprint advertising flyer I got in the mail: "Running your life requires some running around. From business meetings to family meetings to meeting somewhere in the middle..." No time for kicking back in that one. "Never a dull moment." No rest here. "Work, play and all the spaces in between demand service..." Can't heave a sigh of relief and sneak a nap in the hammock anymore. "The days of waiting for technology to catch up with your life are long gone." No need to slow down and smell the roses now. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Advertising for cell phones
I think that many advertisements for cell phones attempt to suggest that anyone who is not filling every waking second of every day with activity is not experiencing the best that life has to offer. Those same ads also seem to reinforce to those who are already stretched to the limit that they can use the advertised cell phone to enable them to cram even more work or other activity into whatever precious and wasted few seconds that are not booked up already. No time for relaxation in this world! Gotta go, go, go, go, go. A few tidbits form a recent Sprint advertising flyer I got in the mail: "Running your life requires some running around. From business meetings to family meetings to meeting somewhere in the middle..." No time for kicking back in that one. "Never a dull moment." No rest here. "Work, play and all the spaces in between demand service..." Can't heave a sigh of relief and sneak a nap in the hammock anymore. "The days of waiting for technology to catch up with your life are long gone." No need to slow down and smell the roses now. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
