Re: [CGUYS] Just a silly observation: future???
This is the FCC's take on the rules. http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html They have to allow you some antenna unless they don't. There are small stealthy antennas that work in the UHF range where the HD/Digital signals are. On Jan 4, 2008 12:03 PM, Michel Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Plenty of home owner associations still put antenna restrictions in but it must be just boilerplate. I've also heard the restrictions are unenforceable. Any lawyers on this list? -Mike __ Michel David Lowe -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Announcements and Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mike Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 11:48 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Just a silly observation: future??? That's what I was thinking, limitations like these aren't around anymore. Mike On Jan 4, 2008 9:39 AM, Wayne Dernoncourt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Rigby And the sales of rotators will soar. Many neighborhoods have prohibitions on outside antennas used for terrestrial broadcasting. Without outside antennas, lots of viewers snip Most of those restrictions are no longer enforceable for most cases, see Telecommunications Act of 1997(?year?). The only exceptions are where the antenna is a hazard (in the flight path of a runway) or in a historical accurate area (colonial Williamsburg, VA - no phones, no electricity, etc.) At least that's my understanding, I could very well be wrong. -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly Ignorance is temporary; stupid is forever. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE
Re: [CGUYS] Just a silly observation: future???
Plenty of home owner associations still put antenna restrictions in but it must be just boilerplate. I've also heard the restrictions are unenforceable. Any lawyers on this list? -Mike __ Michel David Lowe -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Announcements and Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mike Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 11:48 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Just a silly observation: future??? That's what I was thinking, limitations like these aren't around anymore. Mike On Jan 4, 2008 9:39 AM, Wayne Dernoncourt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Rigby And the sales of rotators will soar. Many neighborhoods have prohibitions on outside antennas used for terrestrial broadcasting. Without outside antennas, lots of viewers snip Most of those restrictions are no longer enforceable for most cases, see Telecommunications Act of 1997(?year?). The only exceptions are where the antenna is a hazard (in the flight path of a runway) or in a historical accurate area (colonial Williamsburg, VA - no phones, no electricity, etc.) At least that's my understanding, I could very well be wrong. -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly Ignorance is temporary; stupid is forever. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: [CGUYS] Just a silly observation: future???
Steve Rigby And the sales of rotators will soar. Many neighborhoods have prohibitions on outside antennas used for terrestrial broadcasting. Without outside antennas, lots of viewers snip Most of those restrictions are no longer enforceable for most cases, see Telecommunications Act of 1997(?year?). The only exceptions are where the antenna is a hazard (in the flight path of a runway) or in a historical accurate area (colonial Williamsburg, VA - no phones, no electricity, etc.) At least that's my understanding, I could very well be wrong. -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly Ignorance is temporary; stupid is forever. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Just a silly observation: future???
I think I heard a while back that eventually HDTV will be broadcast over the current VHF channels when there is no longer a need to use them for the analog programming. on Fri, 4 Jan 2008, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: This is the FCC's take on the rules. http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html They have to allow you some antenna unless they don't. There are small stealthy antennas that work in the UHF range where the HD/Digital signals are. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Just a silly observation: future???
On Fri, 4 Jan 2008, Jay Montero wrote: Build your own TIVO; That's what I did using MythDora. It's a Linux distro which runs MythTV. I get all my favorite OTA HDTV shows recorded and it looks amazing! OTOH... maybe this is not the thing for a Mac guy - the kind who likes to just fire something up and have it work perfectly right out of the box. :-) on Thu, 3 Jan 2008, Tom Piwowar wrote: Now I have 1 year to find a good deal on a Tivo HD. Hi Jay, I've been thinking about doing that myself. What hardware (especially graphics card) did you use? Did you get a (IR or other) remote control working? -- Vicky Staubly http://www.steeds.com/vicky/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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You mean there's a wired satellite provider? Wow! Actually, I too wondered about this FCC reg when it came out. Now, after a few years, I think we can clearly see the FCC has lost and the HOA's have won. Remember, this isn't a law, it's just an FCC directive. As with you, I could be mistaken. Actually, most folks in neighborhoods with such covenant restrictions have TV services that are provided by satellites, cable or other systems that do not require antennas for end-user reception. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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On Jan 4, 2008, at 1:08 PM, Jay Montero wrote: I think I heard a while back that eventually HDTV will be broadcast over the current VHF channels when there is no longer a need to use them for the analog programming. These VHF frequencies of OURS are going to be sold to corporate entities. Steve * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Just a silly observation: future???
On Jan 4, 2008, at 12:30 PM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: This is the FCC's take on the rules. http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html They have to allow you some antenna unless they don't. There are small stealthy antennas that work in the UHF range where the HD/Digital signals are. Good and useful information. Thanks. I think this clause is where condo or homeowner's associations can claim the right to prevent the erection of TV antennas by individuals: Under some circumstances where a central or common antenna is available, a community association or landlord may restrict the installation of individual antennas. I believe that if a community is served by a cable provider, then this exclusion may be applicable even though a cable is not an antenna. Steve * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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I am curios to. I have a couple old Dell Inspiron Laptops with the large 15.4 screens I would love to turn into tivo boxes. Mike Vicky Staubly wrote: On Fri, 4 Jan 2008, Jay Montero wrote: Build your own TIVO; That's what I did using MythDora. It's a Linux distro which runs MythTV. I get all my favorite OTA HDTV shows recorded and it looks amazing! OTOH... maybe this is not the thing for a Mac guy - the kind who likes to just fire something up and have it work perfectly right out of the box. :-) on Thu, 3 Jan 2008, Tom Piwowar wrote: Now I have 1 year to find a good deal on a Tivo HD. Hi Jay, I've been thinking about doing that myself. What hardware (especially graphics card) did you use? Did you get a (IR or other) remote control working? -- Vicky Staubly http://www.steeds.com/vicky/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived -- *Mike Drabick HDH Construction Consultants, Inc 200 Harry S. Truman Parkway Suite 220 Annapolis, MD 21401 410-571-1100 410-571-1177 Fax* * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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Does anyone know if manufacturers are doing anything to solve the synch problem in the next generations of TV's? Or is this a bug that's inherent in the system, and for which there is no practical bugfix? We have an analog TV that's on its last legs, and we're planning to replace it with digital. Is there any point in waiting until the technology gets better? (BTW, we don't have cable or digital.) --Constance Warner * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Just a silly observation: future???
Steve Rigby On Jan 4, 2008, at 12:30 PM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: This is the FCC's take on the rules. http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html They have to allow you some antenna unless they don't. There are small stealthy antennas that work in the UHF range where the HD/Digital signals are. Good and useful information. Thanks. I think this clause is where condo or homeowner's associations can claim the right to prevent the erection of TV antennas by individuals: Under some circumstances where a central or common antenna is available, a community association or landlord may restrict the installation of individual antennas. I believe that if a community is served by a cable provider, then this exclusion may be applicable even though a cable is not an antenna. I would interpret this to be that the feed would be provided at little/no-cost (central or common antenna is available). Again, consult an attorney to interpret the language. -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly Managing senior programmers is like herding cats! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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Steve Rigby On Jan 4, 2008, at 1:08 PM, Jay Montero wrote: I think I heard a while back that eventually HDTV will be broadcast over the current VHF channels when there is no longer a need to use them for the analog programming. These VHF frequencies of OURS are going to be sold to corporate entities. Auctioned off for cell-phone applications, Feb 08(??) - implementation - eventually. -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly Part-time musicians are semiconductors * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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Eric - Want an antenna on the roof? Move to Tehran, http://www.iranian.com/Arts/2003/September/People/index.html, or tell the Super that he/she has to allow you to put one up. Better yet, find a friendly neighbor with a window that faces toward Houston and buy a dish with dual LNBs, http://endlessinnovation.typepad.com/endless_innovation/2007/07/pimp-my-satelli.html, and get a two-room contract. I've seen many apartment buildings like this, although not as well pimped. You could do the same with a friendly neighbor or super and an antenna for digital TV reception. Betty Eric S. Sande [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: And the sales of rotators will soar. Don't know about that one. Would I actually invest in a steerable antenna array when I all ready have cable? Probably not, but if I were far from an ATSC signal I might. If I had to. As it is I can't get ANY over the air transmissions with any reliability, I live in an apartment building among others and its basically a shutout, FM radio is receivable but not what I'd call reliable. Think very dense buildings. No possibility here of a satellite shot, I can't see the southern horizon at the requred angle. It's basically cable or no reception at all, at the present time. I could possibly talk the apartment people into letting me deploy an antenna array on the roof. That would be somewhat unlikely. However it could be done. They would likely want some compensation for this and it might involve some remodeling, principally drilling holes in the outside wall and stringing cables outside the building. No, on reflection, they probably won't go for it. But I'd love to have an antenna mast on the roof. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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For that matter, digital signals in general are problematic if you're getting your TV over the air, without a cable or satellite hookup. The signals are more directional, so you have to have the antenna pointed EXACTLY the right way for each channel, or you're out of luck. The signals are also effectively weaker; and when you're trying to tune your set or move your antenna to get the signal, it can switch from being on to being off, without the intermediate state you often get now, when the signal degrades but doesn't quite vanish when you're adjusting things. (I go through enough gymnastics already, trying to adjust a small booster antenna in just the right direction to get even marginal signals on some stations.) My brother (who designs radio transmitters) and I were trying to explain all this to another relative, who hadn't heard anything about the death of analog and who was outraged that, in spite of the supposed improvements of digital TV, what she was going to get (post-conversion) was a lot worse than what she has now. Unless, of course, she pays a lot of money (for a new TV or conversion box, or cable, or a satellite dish, etc.) And she'll have these extra expenses just to get free commercial-ridden network TV, and public television which she has already paid for in taxes and pledges. I think to her the conversion sounds a lot like Let them eat cake, or maybe There's one [sucker] born every minute, and I can't entirely disagree with her. --Constance Warner QUOTE: It is my understanding that in some parts of the country there will be no signal or only patchy signals available if the phones are switched from analog to digital. These areas are in the hinterlands where antennas are few and far between, a situation that will render digital signals problematic to receive and transmit with. Steve * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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It gets worse than that. I live only 12-15 miles from the transmitters and get a great signal (95% +), ... until the occasional reflection wipes out the signal temporarily. Out of the 20 DTV channels available, I can only get 4 on a dependable basis. In order to get the others, I will need to buy yet another antenna that is more directional than the omni-directional one I purchased specifically for these signals. The fun continues... Richard P. For that matter, digital signals in general are problematic if you're getting your TV over the air, without a cable or satellite hookup. The signals are more directional, so you have to have the antenna pointed EXACTLY the right way for each channel, or you're out of luck. The signals are also effectively weaker; and when you're trying to tune your set or move your antenna to get the signal, it can switch from being on to being off, without the intermediate state you often get now, when the signal degrades but doesn't quite vanish when you're adjusting things. (I go through enough gymnastics already, trying to adjust a small booster antenna in just the right direction to get even marginal signals on some stations.) My brother (who designs radio transmitters) and I were trying to explain all this to another relative, who hadn't heard anything about the death of analog and who was outraged that, in spite of the supposed improvements of digital TV, what she was going to get (post-conversion) was a lot worse than what she has now. Unless, of course, she pays a lot of money (for a new TV or conversion box, or cable, or a satellite dish, etc.) And she'll have these extra expenses just to get free commercial-ridden network TV, and public television which she has already paid for in taxes and pledges. I think to her the conversion sounds a lot like Let them eat cake, or maybe There's one [sucker] born every minute, and I can't entirely disagree with her. QUOTE: It is my understanding that in some parts of the country there will be no signal or only patchy signals available if the phones are switched from analog to digital. These areas are in the hinterlands where antennas are few and far between, a situation that will render digital signals problematic to receive and transmit with. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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On Jan 3, 2008, at 4:59 PM, Richard P. wrote: It gets worse than that. I live only 12-15 miles from the transmitters and get a great signal (95% +), ... until the occasional reflection wipes out the signal temporarily. Out of the 20 DTV channels available, I can only get 4 on a dependable basis. In order to get the others, I will need to buy yet another antenna that is more directional than the omni-directional one I purchased specifically for these signals. The fun continues... And the sales of rotators will soar. Many neighborhoods have prohibitions on outside antennas used for terrestrial broadcasting. Without outside antennas, lots of viewers are going to have avery hard time getting useable signals into their sets. Steve * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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And the sales of rotators will soar. Don't know about that one. Would I actually invest in a steerable antenna array when I all ready have cable? Probably not, but if I were far from an ATSC signal I might. If I had to. As it is I can't get ANY over the air transmissions with any reliability, I live in an apartment building among others and its basically a shutout, FM radio is receivable but not what I'd call reliable. Think very dense buildings. No possibility here of a satellite shot, I can't see the southern horizon at the requred angle. It's basically cable or no reception at all, at the present time. I could possibly talk the apartment people into letting me deploy an antenna array on the roof. That would be somewhat unlikely. However it could be done. They would likely want some compensation for this and it might involve some remodeling, principally drilling holes in the outside wall and stringing cables outside the building. No, on reflection, they probably won't go for it. But I'd love to have an antenna mast on the roof. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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And another question, aren't all TVs today digital, that is if I was to go out and buy a new one at K-Mart or where ever? To buy an analog TV wouldn't you have to buy an old used one? Jeff M On Jan 2, 2008, at 2:20 PM, Constance Warner wrote: Does anyone know if manufacturers are doing anything to solve the synch problem in the next generations of TV's? Or is this a bug that's inherent in the system, and for which there is no practical bugfix? We have an analog TV that's on its last legs, and we're planning to replace it with digital. Is there any point in waiting until the technology gets better? (BTW, we don't have cable or digital.) * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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No many of them are digital ready but may not include a digital tuner. I can't remember the date that Manufacturers have to convert to all digital. Stewart At 04:38 PM 1/2/2008, you wrote: And another question, aren't all TVs today digital, that is if I was to go out and buy a new one at K-Mart or where ever? To buy an analog TV wouldn't you have to buy an old used one? Jeff M Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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We have an analog TV that's on its last legs, and we're planning to replace it with digital. Is there any point in waiting until the technology gets better? The problem is more in the data path than in the receiver. Go ahead and shop! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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And another question, aren't all TVs today digital, that is if I was to go out and buy a new one at K-Mart or where ever? To buy an analog TV wouldn't you have to buy an old used one? I bet they are still selling analog units and will continue to do so as long as there are stupid customers. GM was still selling analog OnStar last year even though everyone knew analog was due for shutdown in 2008. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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You might be right, that manufacturers have a date to stop manufacturing analog TVs, but I thought that the end date referred to the broadcasting of commercial analog TV. That date is on February 17, 2009. The manufacturers would not make many analog TVs after that date even if there is no restrictive law since the market would be small and they would be competing with so many used TV sales. Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: No many of them are digital ready but may not include a digital tuner. I can't remember the date that Manufacturers have to convert to all digital. Stewart Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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So how do you tell if you have a digital ready TV? I have quite a few TVs (7) one of which is also on it's last legs. It is 15-20 years old and assume it's not digital. My newest is a Sylvania 27 stereo with VCR and DVD recorder. I assume it is digital, but nothing in the paper work told me this. Jeff M On Jan 2, 2008, at 2:48 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: No many of them are digital ready but may not include a digital tuner. I can't remember the date that Manufacturers have to convert to all digital. Stewart At 04:38 PM 1/2/2008, you wrote: And another question, aren't all TVs today digital, that is if I was to go out and buy a new one at K-Mart or where ever? To buy an analog TV wouldn't you have to buy an old used one? Jeff M Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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This question is answered at http://www.dtv.gov/consumercorner.html#faq8 It says therein: *How do I know if I already have a digital TV (DTV)?* Many DTVs and digital television equipment will have labels or markings on them, or statements in the informational materials that came with them, to indicate that they contain digital tuners. These labels or markings may contain the words “Integrated Digital Tuner,” “Digital Tuner Built-In,” “Digital Receiver,” or “Digital Tuner,” “DTV,” “ATSC,” or “HDTV” (High Definition television). If your television equipment contains any of these labels or markings, you should be able to view digital over-the-air programming without the need for a digital-to-analog converter box. (Remember, you do not need an HDTV to view free over-the-air digital programming. As long as your television equipment contains a digital tuner, you can view over-the-air digital. An HDTV is only necessary if you want to view High Definition programming in full HD quality.) You should also check the manual or any other materials that came with your television equipment in order to determine whether it contains a digital tuner. If your television set is labeled as a “Digital Monitor” or “HDTV Monitor,” or as “Digital Ready” or “HDTV Ready,” this does not mean it actually contains a digital tuner. Thus, you still will likely need a separate set-top box which contains a digital tuner in order to view over-the-air digital programming. Over-the-air digital set-top boxes for Digital or HD “Monitors” can be purchased at retail stores. Cable and satellite TV providers also sell or lease digital set-top boxes for their specific services. (Note: the digital set-top box described here is not the same as the digital-to-analog converter box, described above, used to convert free over-the-air digital broadcasts for viewing on an analog TV set.) If your television set is labeled as “analog” or “NTSC,” and is NOT labeled as containing a digital tuner, it contains an analog tuner only. If you cannot determine whether your television set or other television equipment contains a digital tuner, you are advised to check your equipment for the manufacturer name and model number, and then contact your consumer electronics retailer, or the manufacturer, to determine whether it contains a digital tuner. This information also may be available online through the manufacturer’s website. Because most broadcast stations in all U.S. television markets are already broadcasting in digital, consumers can watch DTV today. You can contact your local broadcast stations to determine the channel numbers on which the stations are currently broadcasting digital programming. You should then ensure that your television is set up to receive over-the-air programming (as distinguished from being connected to a paid provider such as cable or satellite TV service), and then tune to the over-the-air digital channels to see if your set can receive the digital broadcast programming. Jeff Miles wrote: So how do you tell if you have a digital ready TV? I have quite a few TVs (7) one of which is also on it's last legs. It is 15-20 years old and assume it's not digital. My newest is a Sylvania 27 stereo with VCR and DVD recorder. I assume it is digital, but nothing in the paper work told me this. Jeff M * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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Dates for analog phones, onstar and the like (even some automatic garaqe doors) is February 18/19, 2008 and for broadcasting is February 19, 2009. After 2/2009, one will need a box to run an analog TV. This was part of the coupon discussion earlier. Fox5 (DC) now has a link on their site to download the coupon. Direct link: http://www.myfoxdc.com/myfox/pages/InsideFox/SeenOnTV?pageId=5.7 Coupon direct link: https://www.dtv2009.gov/ And from the Fox 5 site: TV Converter Box Coupon Program Website As you may well know, by Feburary of 2009, all TV stations will be broadcast Digitally and if you get your TV though an antenna you'll no longer receive a picture without a converter box. And to help, the government is giving away coupons! To request a coupon, consumers can apply online at http://www.dtv2009.gov starting Tuesday. The government also has set up a 24-hour hotline to take requests, 1-888-DTV-2009 (1-888-388-2009). Go there, sign up for a coupon, get 40 dollars from the govt. to buy a converter box. And they're going on the honor system. So even if you have satellite or Cable, you can still sign up to get a coupon. /gayley Robert wrote: You might be right, that manufacturers have a date to stop manufacturing analog TVs, but I thought that the end date referred to the broadcasting of commercial analog TV. That date is on February 17, 2009. Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: I can't remember the date that Manufacturers have to convert to all digital. Tom Piwowar wrote: GM was still selling analog OnStar last year even though everyone knew analog was due for shutdown in 2008. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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Thanks, now I have another question. With my 7 TVs they are all hooked up to DirectTV, all with the DirectTV box. Do these boxes convert or use the digital signal, thus I wouldn't need the digital converter box needed for analog TVs? Jeff M On Jan 2, 2008, at 3:26 PM, Robert wrote: This question is answered at http://www.dtv.gov/consumercorner.html#faq8 It says therein: *How do I know if I already have a digital TV (DTV)?* Many DTVs and digital television equipment will have labels or markings on them, or statements in the informational materials that came with them, to indicate that they contain digital tuners. These labels or markings may contain the words “Integrated Digital Tuner,” “Digital Tuner Built-In,” “Digital Receiver,” or “Digital Tuner,” “DTV,” “ATSC,” or “HDTV” (High Definition television). If your television equipment contains any of these labels or markings, you should be able to view digital over-the-air programming without the need for a digital-to-analog converter box. (Remember, you do not need an HDTV to view free over-the-air digital programming. As long as your television equipment contains a digital tuner, you can view over-the-air digital. An HDTV is only necessary if you want to view High Definition programming in full HD quality.) You should also check the manual or any other materials that came with your television equipment in order to determine whether it contains a digital tuner. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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Correct all system boxes cable and Direct/dish convert the signal so it works with any TV. Stewart At 07:10 PM 1/2/2008, you wrote: Thanks, now I have another question. With my 7 TVs they are all hooked up to DirectTV, all with the DirectTV box. Do these boxes convert or use the digital signal, thus I wouldn't need the digital converter box needed for analog TVs? Jeff M Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
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On Jan 2, 2008, at 6:30 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: There are still (Or should I say there were still) a number of folks out there that had old analog cell phones that every Cell carrier has been trying to get to upgrade their phone. It is my understanding that in some parts of the country there will be no signal or only patchy signals available if the phones are switched from analog to digital. These areas are in the hinterlands where antennas are few and far between, a situation that will render digital signals problematic to receive and transmit with. Steve * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
