Re: [CGUYS] Mac Market Share Grows

2007-10-19 Thread Jeff Wright
Wow. Who would have thought that denial is a stronger natural force than gravity? *Everyone,* until Vista, ran as an admin. That is the single biggest security flaw in Windows and why Windows boxes are so easily compromised. And sophistry does not an argument make. Is bolted-on the only

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Market Share Grows

2007-10-19 Thread John DeCarlo
On 10/19/07, mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There were 18 security advisories from Secunia for mac os x so far in 2007. Seven of these were rated highly critical meaning system level access, access to private files etc. The holes are there. Not long ago a hole in quicktime was exploited in

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Market Share Grows

2007-10-19 Thread John DeCarlo
mike, You have some good points. I went back and did some research. I will start with my own summary and add some references at the end. 1. At CanSecWest, they started with a MacBook connected to an open Wi-Fi network, but nobody could get through. Nothing was done to the MacBook but install

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Market Share Grows [Was: Mac Administrator]

2007-10-19 Thread mike
Well that clears that up. Mike On 10/19/07, Snyder, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Intel said that Apple is pushing them to innovate more and they are appreciative, even excited to be working with Apple to push themselves. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- How did he say

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Market Share Grows

2007-10-19 Thread mike
Not true. From Cnet. The successful attack on the second and final day of the contest required a conference organizer to surf to a malicious Web site using Safari on the MacBook--a type of attack familiar to Windows users. Nothing was downloaded to the machine and run, indeed this exact attack

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Market Share Grows

2007-10-19 Thread mike
There were 18 security advisories from Secunia for mac os x so far in 2007. Seven of these were rated highly critical meaning system level access, access to private files etc. The holes are there. Not long ago a hole in quicktime was exploited in just a few hours when the winner was offered 10k

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Market Share Grows

2007-10-19 Thread John DeCarlo
On 10/19/07, Jeff Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Everyone,* until Vista, ran as an admin. That is the single biggest security flaw in Windows and why Windows boxes are so easily compromised. I don't know if that is the single biggest security flaw, but it is certainly in the top ten.

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Market Share Grows

2007-10-19 Thread Snyder, Mark
Your simple math would get you one of those sub-prime mortgages. I know many people buying Macs, but very few of them plan to run Windows. Those who do run Windows only run it for some precious Windows only application. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Who said anything about

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Market Share Grows [Was: Mac Administrator]

2007-10-19 Thread mike
Could be I suppose. EFI was Intel's baby, don't think it had much to do with apple but like apple often does, it implemented the improved technology before anyone else. Much easier to do when you control the hardware and software.EFI was supposed to be also adopted by vista but like most

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Market Share Grows [Was: Mac Administrator]

2007-10-19 Thread Snyder, Mark
Intel said that Apple is pushing them to innovate more and they are appreciative, even excited to be working with Apple to push themselves. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- How did he say apple was pushing them? Pushing them to do what?

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Market Share Grows

2007-10-19 Thread Snyder, Mark
Windows has traditionally had bolted-on security that is easily weakened by the user. That results in many vulnerable computers that are basically there for the taking. Mac OS X has the benefits of security designed in at all levels (from freeBSD). These people are evil, but not stupid. Thank

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Market Share Grows [Was: Mac Administrator]

2007-10-18 Thread Tom Piwowar
Third quarter figures for US computer sales have HP pushing Dell out of 1st place. Apple is in 3rd place with a 7.3% share. http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,138578-c,companynews/article.html I suppose most would agree that it is time for any company selling fewer computers than Apple to get

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Market Share Grows [Was: Mac Administrator]

2007-10-18 Thread Snyder, Mark
Apple is growing its laptop business impressively AppleInsider.com is reporting that Apple is awaiting word from Intel before announcing new Mac Pros with Penryn CPUs for media professionals. I expect OS X 10.5 to increase sales as well. 7-8% market share sounds small, but can be good revenue.

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Market Share Grows [Was: Mac Administrator]

2007-10-18 Thread Tom Piwowar
Apple is growing its laptop business impressively AppleInsider.com is reporting that Apple is awaiting word from Intel before announcing new Mac Pros with Penryn CPUs for media professionals. I expect OS X 10.5 to increase sales as well. I saw Intel's CEO interviewed a couple of weeks ago on a

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Market Share Grows

2007-10-18 Thread Tony B
The problem with those figures is they don't show OS share, only hardware. As has been obvious on this list for some time now, a lot of people are buying Macs and installing Windows. It's getting rare to find a Mac owner that doesn't run both OS's, thus seriously skewing the stats. On 10/18/07,

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Market Share Grows

2007-10-18 Thread Tom Piwowar
The problem with those figures is they don't show OS share, only hardware. As has been obvious on this list for some time now, a lot of people are buying Macs and installing Windows. It's getting rare to find a Mac owner that doesn't run both OS's, thus seriously skewing the stats. I put that in

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Market Share Grows

2007-10-18 Thread Jeff Miles
This is just garbage (that's a kind word for total CRAP). My new Powerbook is on it's way and I have no intention of installing Windows at all! Why put at risk a perfectly fantastic machine? Jeff M On Oct 18, 2007, at 10:50 AM, Tony B wrote: The problem with those figures is they don't

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Market Share Grows [Was: Mac Administrator]

2007-10-18 Thread Jeff Miles
I'm so glad I bought shares in Apple at around $50/share, and that was before they split. Nothing but smiles here. Jeff M On Oct 18, 2007, at 8:11 AM, Snyder, Mark wrote: Apple is growing its laptop business impressively AppleInsider.com is reporting that Apple is awaiting word from Intel

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Market Share Grows

2007-10-18 Thread Snyder, Mark
I do not know anyone who bought a Mac to mostly run Windows, so how does the possibility of running Windows skew the numbers? Have you discovered a secret cabal of Mac owners who mostly run Windows? (Have you reported this group's drug use?) Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message-

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Market Share Grows

2007-10-18 Thread Constance Warner
I do not know anyone who bought a Mac to mostly run Windows, so how does the possibility of running Windows skew the numbers? Have you discovered a secret cabal of Mac owners who mostly run Windows? I bought a dual-boot Mac so I could run Windows on it, as well as Mac. I needed Dragon

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Market Share Grows [Was: Mac Administrator]

2007-10-18 Thread mike
How did he say apple was pushing them? Pushing them to do what? Mike On 10/18/07, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apple is growing its laptop business impressively AppleInsider.com is reporting that Apple is awaiting word from Intel before announcing new Mac Pros with Penryn CPUs for

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Market Share Grows

2007-10-18 Thread mike
Why else would they ignore them? On 10/18/07, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I put that in the same bin as the one about virus writers ignoring Macs due to their market share. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Market Share Grows

2007-10-18 Thread gerald
you want to meet my wife? I just bought her an iMac. she decided she wanted it because now it would run programs. At 02:19 PM 10/18/2007, you wrote: I do not know anyone who bought a Mac to mostly run Windows, so how does the possibility of running Windows skew the numbers? Have you

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Market Share Grows [Was: Mac Administrator]

2007-10-18 Thread gerald
wrong. that screws Apple number up, because it does not include any corporate or government or negoicated sales, which is where most PC's are sold. At 11:11 AM 10/18/2007, you wrote: Apple is growing its laptop business impressively AppleInsider.com is reporting that Apple is awaiting word from

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Market Share Grows [Was: Mac Administrator]

2007-10-18 Thread mike
Like what? Is there something in the Apple pipeline he mentioned? Mike On 10/18/07, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How did he say apple was pushing them? Pushing them to do what? You know, that thing that MS wants to stamp out... Innovate.

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Market Share Grows [Was: Mac Administrator]

2007-10-18 Thread Tom Piwowar
How did he say apple was pushing them? Pushing them to do what? You know, that thing that MS wants to stamp out... Innovate. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Market Share Grows

2007-10-18 Thread Steve Rigby
On Oct 18, 2007, at 1:50 PM, Tony B wrote: The problem with those figures is they don't show OS share, only hardware. As has been obvious on this list for some time now, a lot of people are buying Macs and installing Windows. It's getting rare to find a Mac owner that doesn't run both OS's,

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Market Share Grows

2007-10-18 Thread Tony B
Who said anything about mostly? The math is simple. To simplify: If two people in the world own computers, and each owns a copy of Windows, but only one owns a copy of Mac OSX, then despite Mac sales being at 50%, there are *twice* as many Windows owners. In the old days the numbers would have

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Market Share Grows [Was: Mac Administrator]

2007-10-18 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I am surprised that Tom would mention Intel, they have been accused of some of the same sins as MS and Bill Gates have. Lack of engineering innovation, buying up competition, quashing competition. If it were not for AMD, we would all be paying hundreds more for our PC's. What the Intel

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Market Share Grows [Was: Mac Administrator]

2007-10-18 Thread Tom Piwowar
I am surprised that Tom would mention Intel, they have been accused of some of the same sins as MS and Bill Gates have. The new boss man, Otellini, struck me as an interesting, smart man. Not a thug like Gates or Ballmer. Time will tell.