Le Dimanche 28 Septembre 2003 14:46, Michael Reinsch a écrit :
Steffen Barszus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Decreasing time consumption and power needed to participate. It was
sometimes like fighting against windmills to get heared on the cooker
list. Splitting up the lists could help here.
On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 09:19, Warly wrote:
- What was wrong in 9.2 development process?
The beta/RC process is flawed as heavy development continues during the
beta/RC process.
If Mandrake tools have to change (new features, fix incorrect behaviour,
etc) then they should be changed based on a set
On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 03:05:48PM +0200, Pierre Jarillon wrote:
This is not my opinion. Some problems are only found with a fresh install
or an upgrade of a previous stable distribution.
Well, I don't like upgrades, I do only fresh installs.
Liebe Grüße, Nora.
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Michael Reinsch wrote:
- some packages have a maintainer who is not really the maintainer of
this package (i.e. most changes are done by someone else), so a bug
report isn't assigned to the correct person.
And sometimes they make gratuitous changes to the spec file without even
testing that the
Michael Reinsch wrote:
Hi!
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 14:22:14 +0200
Steffen Barszus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- How to have more contributors?
Decreasing time consumption and power needed to participate. It was
sometimes like fighting against windmills to get heared on the cooker
list.
On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 09:19, Warly wrote:
It may be a good idea, before cooker opens again, to take these days to
have some brainstorm.
May you give your opinion on :
- What was wrong in 9.2 development process?
Similar to 9.1 - RC stage too early so loads of major stuff was fixed
while
On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 09:19, Warly wrote:
BTW, I guess this thread is a good place to bring this in. I now think I
actually understand the whole Red Hat / Fedora situation - RH are
basically cutting the consumer desktop loose as a supported segment, and
making it more of a community-supported,
On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 14:05, Pierre Jarillon wrote:
Le Dimanche 28 Septembre 2003 13:48, Nora Etukudo a écrit :
On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 10:19:44AM +0200, Warly wrote:
- Should we have cooker snapshot ISOs?
No. I don't need ISO's at all during development. 'rsync'ing to a local
server
Le Dimanche 28 Septembre 2003 10:19, Warly a écrit :
It may be a good idea, before cooker opens again, to take these days to
have some brainstorm.
May you give your opinion on :
- What was wrong in 9.2 development process?
Some problems with mirors mainly
- We though a bit late in the 9.2
Le dim 28/09/2003 à 14:30, Michael Altizer a écrit :
Michael Reinsch wrote:
Hi!
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 14:22:14 +0200
Steffen Barszus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- How to have more contributors?
Decreasing time consumption and power needed to participate. It was
sometimes
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003, Francisco Alcaraz wrote:
What about a metadistro with a cdrom (in the future a dvdrom) runing
Mandrake from the cd-driver? similar to Knoppix but with all the Mandrake
goodies.
# urpmi mklivecd
# mklivecd livecd.iso
# cdrecord dev=0,0,0 livecd.iso
(of course, there is
(I sent it once, but i beleave it was lost too deep inside another thread).
I always see Mandrake as a desktop distro, so my wishes are from that side.
mcc:
* bring back capabilities for changing the lilo/grub theme
* real support for linmodems (even if the drivers will not be on the d/l
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003, Warly wrote:
It may be a good idea, before cooker opens again, to take these days to
have some brainstorm.
May you give your opinion on :
- What was wrong in 9.2 development process?
I think compared to previous releases, there wasn't as much
feature-planning (as
Warly wrote:
It may be a good idea, before cooker opens again, to take these days to
have some brainstorm.
May you give your opinion on :
- What was wrong in 9.2 development process?
- We though a bit late in the 9.2 developement process to split cooker ml, we
should do it now.
How about
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003, Diego Iastrubni wrote:
(I sent it once, but i beleave it was lost too deep inside another thread).
I always see Mandrake as a desktop distro, so my wishes are from that side.
mcc:
* bring back capabilities for changing the lilo/grub theme
* real support for
On Sunday 28 Sep 2003 9:19 am, Warly wrote:
It may be a good idea, before cooker opens again, to take these days to
have some brainstorm.
May you give your opinion on :
- What was wrong in 9.2 development process?
For me, it was the relative closeness of it all. It would be nice to add
On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 10:19:44AM +0200, Warly wrote:
- What was wrong in 9.2 development process?
I think the targets for a release should be set much earlier in the process.
Especially targets for nr of major bugs in the software to be released.
Focus more on a small set of features that
, 28 2003, 20:46,Buchan Milne:
* real support for linmodems (even if the drivers will not be on the d/l
edition)
LTmodem support is in Drakxtools, it *should* work if the ltmodem packages
are included. I have provided packages and tested them (drakconnect still
does some weird things
Warly wrote:
It may be a good idea, before cooker opens again, to take these days to
have some brainstorm.
May you give your opinion on :
- What was wrong in 9.2 development process?
I wasn't aware of it soon enough. Was the first beta announced on the
expert list? If so, I missed it.
Many of these ideas have been brought up, but I'm going to express my opinions
with no regard for possible repetition.
On 09/28/2003 04:19:44 AM, Warly wrote:
- What was wrong in 9.2 development process?
Too much change to kernel and drak tools during the rc phase. This happens
every time.
* use also apt-get (with the same repositories, IMHO this can be
done no?), let the user which app use to install rpms.
IMHO it just wastes mirror space ... how many use apt?
it doesn't matter, apt is patched to use hdlist in mdk :)
--
Michaël Scherer
On 09/28/2003 01:11:01 PM, Buchan Milne wrote:
I have some work to do before I have an ISO
that is better (easier to use, more GIS apps, much smaller ISO) than
GIS-Knoppix. It would be nice to see someone contribute a GNOPPIX one, I
will try and do a KNOPPIX-like one also, and some others are
Warly wrote:
It may be a good idea, before cooker opens again, to take these days to
have some brainstorm.
May you give your opinion on :
- What was wrong in 9.2 development process?
Too many major bugs remained in the betas before rc's were started.
IMHO, betas need to start a little bit
One thing I saw which could enhance the availablilty of Mandrake was to
make an alliance with a major disk vendor, eg. Maxtor, to preinstalle
mandrake on a number of disks - free of charge. I think this is what
Lindows have done with Seagate for their 40 GB disks, and I see quite
some potential
On September 1993 plus 3679 days Michael Reinsch wrote:
Hi!
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 14:22:14 +0200
Steffen Barszus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- How to have more contributors?
Decreasing time consumption and power needed to participate. It was
sometimes like fighting against windmills to get
On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 02:39:33PM -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
Warly wrote:
It may be a good idea, before cooker opens again, to take these days to
have some brainstorm.
Stop using the term RC. Recent rc versions are nothing but late betas,
not even close to suitable for release. Go to
Le dim 28/09/2003 à 21:38, Spencer a écrit :
Warly wrote:
It may be a good idea, before cooker opens again, to take these days to
have some brainstorm.
May you give your opinion on :
- What was wrong in 9.2 development process?
Too many major bugs remained in the betas before rc's
On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 05:34, Buchan Milne wrote:
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003, Warly wrote:
- We though a bit late in the 9.2 developement process to split cooker ml, we
should do it now.
Please, this *must* be done. Why? Most people interested in the server
development work will have
There *must* be a better way for contributors to gain a klama account.
With the dramatic increase in packages and contributors, poor Lenny must
be snowed under. I *almost* feel guilty bugging him:-)
and all official and contrib files should be signed... It is a little
bit scary situation to
On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 19:39, Felix Miata wrote:
2-Software management should open one panel with 5 options instead of
a submenu with 5 options. It should be an integrated suite, if not one
simple app.
Oh, for crying out loud, PLEASE STOP TROLLING THIS. It's not going to
happen, the reasons
On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 01:19, Warly wrote:
It may be a good idea, before cooker opens again, to take these days to
have some brainstorm.
May you give your opinion on :
- What was wrong in 9.2 development process?
- We though a bit late in the 9.2 developement process to split cooker ml,
Le Dimanche 28 Septembre 2003 10:19, Warly a écrit :
- What could we do, as a community, to increase the acceptance of
mandrakelinux?
Friday and saturday, ABUL, our LUG, participated in an exhibition, I have
shown how to install and use Mandrake 9.1 to people who are only PC users,
afraid by
My $0.02 and no offence !
Best so far. Unfortunatelly I'm not in position to offer much but I'm a
Mandrake user ( fan ). My $0.02, this, as all the projects, would need a
champion / dictator willing to work 24h / day AND say what is included
and what is not, what is ready and what is not, etc.
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003, James Sparenberg wrote:
- How to have more contributors?
A bugzilla (or similar product) for the release version? Seems strange
I know but if you hook people on the concept as users with a smaller bug
number (hopefully) in a release version you could well spark the
On Sunday, Sep 28, 2003, at 13:34 US/Eastern, Buchan Milne wrote:
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003, Warly wrote:
- How to have more contributors?
We need clear documentation/instructions on how to contribute. At
present,
contributor status seems random (he who bugs Lenny the most gets an
account). There are
Hi,
Le Dimanche 28 Septembre 2003 10:19, Warly a écrit :
It may be a good idea, before cooker opens again, to take these days to
have some brainstorm.
May you give your opinion on :
- What was wrong in 9.2 development process?
As indicated, mainly the mirror process
- We though a bit
, 28 2003, 21:44,Michael Scherer:
* use also apt-get (with the same repositories, IMHO this can be
done no?), let the user which app use to install rpms.
IMHO it just wastes mirror space ... how many use apt?
it doesn't matter, apt is patched to use hdlist in mdk :)
does it mean
What about a metadistro with a cdrom (in the future a dvdrom) runing
Mandrake from the cd-driver? similar to Knoppix but with all the Mandrake
goodies.
there are a couple mandrake related projects to do exactly that. Maybe
Mandrakesoft could adopt one of them and or start a wiki node with
No. I don't need ISO's at all during development. 'rsync'ing to a local
server and installing via net from there is cheap, fast and reliable.
This is not my opinion. Some problems are only found with a fresh install
or an upgrade of a previous stable distribution.
and lets not forget the
On 09/28/2003 06:26:43 PM, Diego Iastrubni wrote:
áéåí øàùåï, 28 áñôèîáø 2003, 21:44, ðëúá òì éãé Michael Scherer:
* use also apt-get (with the same repositories, IMHO this can be
done no?), let the user which app use to install rpms.
IMHO it just wastes mirror space ... how many use
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003, Felix Miata wrote:
5-A usable normal boot and/or rescue floppy should be at least offered
for creation during install. After install, creating a boot and/or
rescue floppy should actually be possible on any system. Barring that,
the creation process that fails should offer
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003, Robert L martin wrote:
What about a metadistro with a cdrom (in the future a dvdrom) runing
Mandrake from the cd-driver? similar to Knoppix but with all the Mandrake
goodies.
there are a couple mandrake related projects to do exactly that. Maybe
Mandrakesoft
On Sunday 28 September 2003 09:39, Luca Olivetti wrote:
Michael Reinsch wrote:
- some packages have a maintainer who is not really the maintainer of
this package (i.e. most changes are done by someone else), so a bug
report isn't assigned to the correct person.
And sometimes they make
On Sunday 28 September 2003 09:38, Nora Etukudo wrote:
On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 03:05:48PM +0200, Pierre Jarillon wrote:
This is not my opinion. Some problems are only found with a fresh install
or an upgrade of a previous stable distribution.
Well, I don't like upgrades, I do only fresh
Doing Knoppix MIB with Mandrake files would KILL.
I am looking at doing something like this now ... but I'm not sure if I
have access to such a version of Knoppix (is it in standard knoppix yet,
or still a remastered version?).
(this project boots from cd and then mounts a flash memory key
On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 01:19, Warly wrote:
It may be a good idea, before cooker opens again, to take these days to
have some brainstorm.
May you give your opinion on :
- What was wrong in 9.2 development process?
- We though a bit late in the 9.2 developement process to split cooker ml,
On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 15:07, Buchan Milne wrote:
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003, James Sparenberg wrote:
- How to have more contributors?
A bugzilla (or similar product) for the release version? Seems strange
I know but if you hook people on the concept as users with a smaller bug
number
On Sunday 28 September 2003 01:18 pm, Diego Iastrubni wrote:
* use also apt-get (with the same repositories, IMHO this can be done no?),
let the user which app use to install rpms.
I don't understand the continued romanticism with apt when urpmi has matured
so nicely. It even takes two fewer
On Sunday 28 September 2003 06:07 pm, Buchan Milne wrote:
http://bugs.mandrakelinux.com/
Very Cool. Thanks Vincent
--
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Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside
a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx
On Sunday 28 September 2003 05:36 pm, James Sparenberg wrote:
Warly While the people here can help in answering this question for
sure. It's also one that should go out to the expert list as well.
Some of the people here are on both yes, but there is a group there that
has dedicated itself
Here's my 2 cents
On Sunday 28 September 2003 04:19, Warly wrote:
It may be a good idea, before cooker opens again, to take these days to
have some brainstorm.
May you give your opinion on :
- What was wrong in 9.2 development process?
I'd really like to see some of the design
On 09/28/2003 08:44:56 PM, Greg Meyer wrote:
Use the commonly held definitions of beta and rc for labeling releases. Too
often, rc's are still full of major bugs, including with the installer, that
most reasonable people think should be gone by the time you start using the
term rc.
Yes.
- What
On Sunday 28 September 2003 07:44 pm, Greg Meyer wrote:
You've also got to find a way though to tame the negativity that
breeds there. It just seems that members are waiting around to be
offended by something that you do. Don't offer iso's to members,
people get mad, offer them but through
On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 17:27, Greg Meyer wrote:
On Sunday 28 September 2003 05:36 pm, James Sparenberg wrote:
Warly While the people here can help in answering this question for
sure. It's also one that should go out to the expert list as well.
Some of the people here are on both yes, but
On Sunday 28 September 2003 04:19 am, Warly wrote:
It may be a good idea, before cooker opens again, to take these days to
have some brainstorm.
May you give your opinion on :
- What was wrong in 9.2 development process?
- We though a bit late in the 9.2 developement process to split
On Sunday 28 September 2003 03:06 pm, FACORAT Fabrice wrote:
Le dim 28/09/2003 à 14:30, Michael Altizer a écrit :
Michael Reinsch wrote:
Hi!
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 14:22:14 +0200
Steffen Barszus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- How to have more contributors?
Decreasing time
Vincent Meyer, MD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, I like this idea, even though i've been mostly against
splitting the list. Having bugzilla in a separate list will help both
speed up reading the cooker mail, and also will help prevent missing
something important sandwhiched between a bunch
I have a mirrored image of the site but when I run the makecd scripts I
keep getting errors with the rpm files.
It does continue and builds 5 iso images. Are these errors normal?
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On Thursday 11 September 2003 10:51 pm, Tsyko wrote:
I have a mirrored image of the site but when I run the makecd scripts I
keep getting errors with the rpm files.
It does continue and builds 5 iso images. Are these errors normal?
If you are installing on the same machine you downloaded the
On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 11:06:20PM -0500, Jason Straight wrote:
On Monday 18 March 2002 17:28, Keld Jørn Simonsen wrote:
Hi!
I joined the beta testing for Mandrake because I like the distro,
but chose to run RedHat 7.2 instead of Mandrake 8.1 as the latter
had too many things not
Hi!
I joined the beta testing for Mandrake because I like the distro,
but chose to run RedHat 7.2 instead of Mandrake 8.1 as the latter
had too many things not working for me. I hoped that if I joined
the testing I could contribute to a much more stable and error free
distro. I think that was
On Monday 18 March 2002 17:28, Keld Jørn Simonsen wrote:
Hi!
I joined the beta testing for Mandrake because I like the distro,
but chose to run RedHat 7.2 instead of Mandrake 8.1 as the latter
had too many things not working for me.
Like what?
I hoped that if I joined
the testing I could
My main concern for the next version of SNF is will it be streamlined? Will
it run on a 400MB or 500MB hard drive? Will all of the non-firewall stuff be
removed?
I've seen Firewalls that do more than the first SNF but the download ISO is
only 20MB and the hard drive requirment is 200MB.
I
Thomas, Stephen W-CONT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
But, the first version had the full X installed ...
can you run an Xterm session on the original SNF, please so I can have a
good laugh ? ;o)
--
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Doug Roberts wrote:
Opinion: It's about time to freeze and make a new release. Kernel 2.4.1
is out, and KDE 2.1 is in Beta. I think it's time gear up for a release,
to be timed on KDE 2.1 final.
Plus one. Finals are notorious for last-minute buglets.
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mullins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've been watching the daily message traffic for weeks now, and I'd like
to express an opinion.
Opinion: It's about time to freeze and make a new release. Kernel 2.4.1
is out, and KDE 2.1 is in Beta. I think it's time gear up for a release,
to be timed on KDE 2.1 final.
--Doug
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I think they already said April/may release
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