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Rick Referring to William Roulston’s essential RESEARCHING SCOTS-IRISH ANCESTORS, there is an earlier surviving run of muster rolls (1618) for the Northern counties housed in PRONI, Belfast. These are available for consultation at PRONI only and am unable to advise the breadth of the records. The PRONI reference for Co. Tyrone is D/1759/3B/5 (Mss copy extracts) Len Swindley Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: Rick Smoll Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 10:44:13 PM To: len_swind...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) Thanks … I doubted there would be. Do you know how may years of muster rolls there are that can be searched? Rick Smoll -Original Message- From: Len Swindley To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List Cc: Rick Smoll Sent: Mon, Jul 30, 2018 5:27 am Subject: RE: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) Hello again Rick, There are no records of passenger movements between Scotland and Ulster; there was no need as both belonged within a single country – the United Kingdom. Similar to a person travelling between NYC and Long Island. Regards, Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: CoTyroneList mailto:boun...@cotyroneireland.com>> on behalf of Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 1:47:55 AM To: cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> Cc: Rick Smoll Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) Thank you all again for your help on this. One more question: are there any sort of emigration records on the Scotland side to search? I don't guess there were anything like passage records for such a short boat ride. Rick Smoll, AIC Claims Adjuster Corpus Christi, TX Mobile - (512) 619-3860 Fax - (512) 592-7966 -Original Message- From: elwyn soutter via CoTyroneList mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> Cc: elwyn soutter mailto:elwynsout...@googlemail.com>> Sent: Tue, Jul 24, 2018 5:33 am Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) Rick, In the early 1600s, the English & Scottish undertakers (ie big landholders) were required to “Have ready in their houses at all times a convenient store of arms, wherewith they may furnish a competent number of men for their defence, which may be viewed and mustered every half year, according to the manner of England.” We don’t really know to what extent each undertaker actually followed those instructions but where they did the local Muster Rolls could contain a list of every able bodied adult male in the given area. The complete absence of Morrisons in both Fermanagh & Tyrone (save for the 2 in Strabane) would suggest to me they hadn’t arrived in big numbers at that time. There’s 329 of them in the 1901 Fermanagh & Tyrone census. None in Fermanagh in 1630 and just 2 in Tyrone. There were a lot of undertakers estates in those 2 counties. If Morrisons were present in significant numbers then you would expect more to show in the Muster Rolls, even allowing for some estates that didn't keep records.. I agree with Les that we can’t say for certain, but my feeling is they hadn’t arrived in Kilskeery by 1630. Elwyn On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> wrote: Variations in spelling are of little consequence Rick as much was spelt phonetically in the past. The Scots arrived in the North of Ireland in several waves dependent upon political and religious conditions in Scotland. Many settlers returned to their homeland as a result of the 1641 Rebellion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Rebellion_of_1641 but returned once peace had been restored. Following the Relief of the Siege of Londonderry in 1689 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Derry and the defeat of the forces of James II great numbers of new settlers arrived. My thoughts are that it will not be possible to ascertain the date of your forebears arrival in Kilskeery parish Regards, Len Swindley Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: Rick Smoll mailto:rsmoll...@aim.com>> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 11:19:46 PM To: len_swind...@hotmail.com<mailto:len_swind...@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) Thanks Len I checked Fermanagh … there was one Alex. Morison (note one s) in Barony de Magerbuy (with "sword and pike"). No way to tell at
Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery)
Thank you so much for going to the trouble! And yes: If anyone out there has contact information for George Armstrong, please let me know. Thanks again! Rick Smoll, AIC Claims Adjuster Corpus Christi, TX Mobile - (512) 619-3860 Fax - (512) 592-7966 -Original Message- From: Len Swindley via CoTyroneList To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List Cc: Len Swindley Sent: Mon, Jul 30, 2018 4:44 am Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) Rick, Have gone back to my extraction, transcription and indexing of the 1826 Kilskeery, Co. Tyrone tithe applotment bookhttp://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/tithe_Kilskeery1826.htm to confirm tithe payers in Loughterush and find it is correct; Edward Morrison is recorded in the townland in 1826. Just to be sure, I called in at a LDS FHC during my lunch break today to check the online digitised record and found that this is so. I not that the extremely large Kilskeery baptismal register 1767-1872http://www.igpweb.com/IGPArchives/ire/tyrone/churches/kilskeery-bap.htm was transcribed by the prolific George Armstrong in 2014. His excellent work is well known. Perhaps a lister has a contact email address for him to consult. Regards, Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: CoTyroneList on behalf of Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 3:01:06 AM To: cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com Cc: Rick Smoll Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) Hoping for some opinions here: In the Kilskeery Parish 1826 Tithe Applotment listings, I find an Edward Morrison listed for Loughterush townland. Using the Atavus search engine (Edward Morrison, Loughterush), I first see a record of a birth of Edward Morrison to Edward and Isabella Morrison in 1795. This is exciting. Looking at the search results farther down the page, I find a series of births to an EdwardMorrow and wife Isabella (in Loughterush), ranging from 1781 to 1789.Hmmm. Going back to the Kilskeery Tithe Applotment listings, there are three Morrows listed (no Edwards), and none of them are in Loughterush. I'm wondering: is it likely that there is a transcription error here? I would greatly appreciate any opinions here. Thanks! Rick Smoll -Original Message- From: Len Swindley via CoTyroneList To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List Cc: Len Swindley ; Elwyn Soutter Sent: Tue, Jul 24, 2018 5:55 am Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) Many thanks for your insights, Elwyn Len Swindley Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: CoTyroneList on behalf of elwyn soutter via CoTyroneList Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 8:32:58 PM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List Cc: elwyn soutter Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) Rick, In the early 1600s, the English & Scottish undertakers (ie big landholders) were required to “Have ready in their houses at all times a convenient store of arms, wherewith they may furnish a competent number of men for their defence, which may be viewed and mustered every half year, according to the manner of England.” We don’t really know to what extent each undertaker actually followed those instructions but where they did the local Muster Rolls could contain a list of every able bodied adult male in the given area. The complete absence of Morrisons in both Fermanagh & Tyrone (save for the 2 in Strabane) would suggest to me they hadn’t arrived in big numbers at that time. There’s 329 of them in the 1901 Fermanagh & Tyrone census. None in Fermanagh in 1630 and just 2 in Tyrone. There were a lot of undertakers estates in those 2 counties. If Morrisons were present in significant numbers then you would expect more to show in the Muster Rolls, even allowing for some estates that didn't keep records.. I agree with Les that we can’t say for certain, but my feeling is they hadn’t arrived in Kilskeery by 1630. Elwyn On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList wrote: Variations in spelling are of little consequence Rick as much was spelt phonetically in the past. The Scots arrived in the North of Ireland in several waves dependent upon political and religious conditions in Scotland. Many settlers returned to their homeland as a result of the 1641 Rebellionhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Rebellion_of_1641 but returned once peace had been restored. Following the Relief of the Siege of Londonderry in 1689https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Derry and the defeat of the forces of James II great numbers of new settlers arrived. My thoughts are that it will not be possible to ascertain the date of your forebears arrival in Kilskeery parish Regards, Len Swindley Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Rick Smoll Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018
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Thanks for your insight Gordon! Will keep investigating to sort this out either way. Rick Smoll, AIC Claims Adjuster Corpus Christi, TX Mobile - (512) 619-3860 Fax - (512) 592-7966 -Original Message- From: Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList To: Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList Cc: Gordon Wilkinson Sent: Sun, Jul 29, 2018 10:06 pm Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) Rick, I am a descendant of the Morrows from Armagh and unlikely to include the Morrows you mention. In your search, I would posit a typo(s) along the line somewhere. Many people at that time were not literate so others wrote down what they thought they heard. Irish accents and regional nuances would add to the confusion and blur the pronunciation. I've come across some weird mis-spellings. Take for instance, McBirth for McBeth - which was actually McBeath! then Harrow for O'Hara, also McCullough/McUllough/McCulough/McCulagh/McCullagh for the same family, and several others. It makes authentication a little more difficult, but one should always cross-check in any case. Be careful in drawing conclusions, as families tended to cluster in the same area and even name their offspring after a nearby relative, so take care, even some birth dates may be speculative as 1 January was too often used in place of the real date. Baptism and Christening dates are generally reliable. Cheers, Gordon On 30/07/2018 2:31 AM, Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList wrote: Hoping for some opinions here: In the Kilskeery Parish 1826 Tithe Applotment listings, I find an Edward Morrison listed for Loughterush townland. Using the Atavus search engine (Edward Morrison, Loughterush), I first see a record of a birth of Edward Morrison to Edward and Isabella Morrison in 1795. This is exciting. Looking at the search results farther down the page, I find a series of births to an Edward Morrow and wife Isabella (in Loughterush), ranging from 1781 to 1789.Hmmm. Going back to the Kilskeery Tithe Applotment listings, there are three Morrows listed (no Edwards), and none of them are in Loughterush. I'm wondering: is it likely that there is a transcription error here? I would greatly appreciate any opinions here. Thanks! Rick Smoll -Original Message- From: Len Swindley via CoTyroneList To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List Cc: Len Swindley ; Elwyn Soutter Sent: Tue, Jul 24, 2018 5:55 am Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) Many thanks for your insights, Elwyn Len Swindley Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: CoTyroneList on behalf of elwyn soutter via CoTyroneList Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 8:32:58 PM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List Cc: elwyn soutter Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) Rick, Inthe early 1600s, the English & Scottish undertakers (ie big landholders) were required to “Have ready in their houses at all times aconvenient store of arms, wherewith they mayfurnish a competent number of men for theirdefence, which may be viewed and mustered everyhalf year, according to the manner of England.” Wedon’t really know to what extent each undertaker actually followed those instructions but where they did the local Muster Rolls could contain a list of every able bodied adult male in thegiven area. The complete absence of Morrisons inboth Fermanagh & Tyrone (save f
Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery)
Hello again Rick, There are no records of passenger movements between Scotland and Ulster; there was no need as both belonged within a single country – the United Kingdom. Similar to a person travelling between NYC and Long Island. Regards, Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: CoTyroneList on behalf of Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 1:47:55 AM To: cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com Cc: Rick Smoll Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) Thank you all again for your help on this. One more question: are there any sort of emigration records on the Scotland side to search? I don't guess there were anything like passage records for such a short boat ride. Rick Smoll, AIC Claims Adjuster Corpus Christi, TX Mobile - (512) 619-3860 Fax - (512) 592-7966 -Original Message- From: elwyn soutter via CoTyroneList To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List Cc: elwyn soutter Sent: Tue, Jul 24, 2018 5:33 am Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) Rick, In the early 1600s, the English & Scottish undertakers (ie big landholders) were required to “Have ready in their houses at all times a convenient store of arms, wherewith they may furnish a competent number of men for their defence, which may be viewed and mustered every half year, according to the manner of England.” We don’t really know to what extent each undertaker actually followed those instructions but where they did the local Muster Rolls could contain a list of every able bodied adult male in the given area. The complete absence of Morrisons in both Fermanagh & Tyrone (save for the 2 in Strabane) would suggest to me they hadn’t arrived in big numbers at that time. There’s 329 of them in the 1901 Fermanagh & Tyrone census. None in Fermanagh in 1630 and just 2 in Tyrone. There were a lot of undertakers estates in those 2 counties. If Morrisons were present in significant numbers then you would expect more to show in the Muster Rolls, even allowing for some estates that didn't keep records.. I agree with Les that we can’t say for certain, but my feeling is they hadn’t arrived in Kilskeery by 1630. Elwyn On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> wrote: Variations in spelling are of little consequence Rick as much was spelt phonetically in the past. The Scots arrived in the North of Ireland in several waves dependent upon political and religious conditions in Scotland. Many settlers returned to their homeland as a result of the 1641 Rebellion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Rebellion_of_1641 but returned once peace had been restored. Following the Relief of the Siege of Londonderry in 1689 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Derry and the defeat of the forces of James II great numbers of new settlers arrived. My thoughts are that it will not be possible to ascertain the date of your forebears arrival in Kilskeery parish Regards, Len Swindley Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: Rick Smoll mailto:rsmoll...@aim.com>> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 11:19:46 PM To: len_swind...@hotmail.com<mailto:len_swind...@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) Thanks Len I checked Fermanagh … there was one Alex. Morison (note one s) in Barony de Magerbuy (with "sword and pike"). No way to tell at this point whether this is an ancestor of mine, though. Given all your experience, would you guess that my Morrisons came to Kilskeery at a much later date? Thanks again Rick Smoll -Original Message- From: Len Swindley mailto:len_swind...@hotmail.com>> To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> Cc: rsmoll999 mailto:rsmoll...@aim.com>> Sent: Sat, Jul 21, 2018 6:43 pm Subject: RE: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) There are only two Morrisons recorded in the Tyrone muster rolls, both mustered in the Town of Strabane: Robert MORISON (sic) David MORRISON Extracted from Men and Armes; The Ulster Settlers c1630 (Ulster Historical Foundation) Perhaps your Morrison forebears originally settled in Co. Fermanagh? Hope this clarifies things, Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: CoTyroneList mailto:boun...@cotyroneireland.com>> on behalf of rsmoll999 via CoTyroneList mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 4:39:09 AM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List Cc: rsmoll999 Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList]
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Rick, Have gone back to my extraction, transcription and indexing of the 1826 Kilskeery, Co. Tyrone tithe applotment book http://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/tithe_Kilskeery1826.htm to confirm tithe payers in Loughterush and find it is correct; Edward Morrison is recorded in the townland in 1826. Just to be sure, I called in at a LDS FHC during my lunch break today to check the online digitised record and found that this is so. I not that the extremely large Kilskeery baptismal register 1767-1872 http://www.igpweb.com/IGPArchives/ire/tyrone/churches/kilskeery-bap.htm was transcribed by the prolific George Armstrong in 2014. His excellent work is well known. Perhaps a lister has a contact email address for him to consult. Regards, Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: CoTyroneList on behalf of Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 3:01:06 AM To: cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com Cc: Rick Smoll Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) Hoping for some opinions here: In the Kilskeery Parish 1826 Tithe Applotment listings, I find an Edward Morrison listed for Loughterush townland. Using the Atavus search engine (Edward Morrison, Loughterush), I first see a record of a birth of Edward Morrison to Edward and Isabella Morrison in 1795. This is exciting. Looking at the search results farther down the page, I find a series of births to an Edward Morrow and wife Isabella (in Loughterush), ranging from 1781 to 1789.Hmmm. Going back to the Kilskeery Tithe Applotment listings, there are three Morrows listed (no Edwards), and none of them are in Loughterush. I'm wondering: is it likely that there is a transcription error here? I would greatly appreciate any opinions here. Thanks! Rick Smoll -Original Message- From: Len Swindley via CoTyroneList To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List Cc: Len Swindley ; Elwyn Soutter Sent: Tue, Jul 24, 2018 5:55 am Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) Many thanks for your insights, Elwyn Len Swindley Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: CoTyroneList mailto:boun...@cotyroneireland.com>> on behalf of elwyn soutter via CoTyroneList mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 8:32:58 PM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List Cc: elwyn soutter Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) Rick, In the early 1600s, the English & Scottish undertakers (ie big landholders) were required to “Have ready in their houses at all times a convenient store of arms, wherewith they may furnish a competent number of men for their defence, which may be viewed and mustered every half year, according to the manner of England.” We don’t really know to what extent each undertaker actually followed those instructions but where they did the local Muster Rolls could contain a list of every able bodied adult male in the given area. The complete absence of Morrisons in both Fermanagh & Tyrone (save for the 2 in Strabane) would suggest to me they hadn’t arrived in big numbers at that time. There’s 329 of them in the 1901 Fermanagh & Tyrone census. None in Fermanagh in 1630 and just 2 in Tyrone. There were a lot of undertakers estates in those 2 counties. If Morrisons were present in significant numbers then you would expect more to show in the Muster Rolls, even allowing for some estates that didn't keep records.. I agree with Les that we can’t say for certain, but my feeling is they hadn’t arrived in Kilskeery by 1630. Elwyn On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> wrote: Variations in spelling are of little consequence Rick as much was spelt phonetically in the past. The Scots arrived in the North of Ireland in several waves dependent upon political and religious conditions in Scotland. Many settlers returned to their homeland as a result of the 1641 Rebellion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Rebellion_of_1641 but returned once peace had been restored. Following the Relief of the Siege of Londonderry in 1689 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Derry and the defeat of the forces of James II great numbers of new settlers arrived. My thoughts are that it will not be possible to ascertain the date of your forebears arrival in Kilskeery parish Regards, Len Swindley Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: Rick Smoll mailto:rsmoll...@aim.com>> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 11:19:46 PM To: len_swind...@hotmail.com<mailto:len_swind...@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList]
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Hullo Rick, My only comment is that in my experience “Edward” is not a name used commonly by various Morrow families. Margaret in Oz. ___ CoTyroneList mailing list CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com
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Rick, I am a descendant of the Morrows from Armagh and unlikely to include the Morrows you mention. In your search, I would posit a typo(s) along the line somewhere. Many people at that time were not literate so others wrote down what they thought they heard. Irish accents and regional nuances would add to the confusion and blur the pronunciation. I've come across some weird mis-spellings. Take for instance, McBirth for McBeth - which was actually McBeath! then Harrow for O'Hara, also McCullough/McUllough/McCulough/McCulagh/McCullagh for the same family, and several others. It makes authentication a little more difficult, but one should always cross-check in any case. Be careful in drawing conclusions, as families tended to cluster in the same area and even name their offspring after a nearby relative, so take care, even some birth dates may be speculative as 1 January was too often used in place of the real date. Baptism and Christening dates are generally reliable. Cheers, Gordon On 30/07/2018 2:31 AM, Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList wrote: Hoping for some opinions here: In the Kilskeery Parish 1826 Tithe Applotment listings, I find an Edward Morrison listed for Loughterush townland. Using the Atavus search engine (Edward Morrison, Loughterush), I first see a record of a birth of Edward Morrison to Edward and Isabella Morrison in 1795. This is exciting. Looking at the search results farther down the page, I find a series of births to an Edward /*Morrow*/ and wife Isabella (in Loughterush), ranging from 1781 to 1789. Hmmm. Going back to the Kilskeery Tithe Applotment listings, there are three Morrows listed (no Edwards), and none of them are in Loughterush. I'm wondering: is it likely that there is a transcription error here? I would greatly appreciate any opinions here. Thanks! Rick Smoll -Original Message- From: Len Swindley via CoTyroneList To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List Cc: Len Swindley ; Elwyn Soutter Sent: Tue, Jul 24, 2018 5:55 am Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) Many thanks for your insights, Elwyn Len Swindley Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 *From:* CoTyroneList <mailto:boun...@cotyroneireland.com>> on behalf of elwyn soutter via CoTyroneList <mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 24, 2018 8:32:58 PM *To:* CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List *Cc:* elwyn soutter *Subject:* Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) Rick, In the early 1600s, the English & Scottish undertakers (ie big landholders) were required to “Have ready in their houses at all times a convenient store of arms, wherewith they may furnish a competent number of men for their defence, which may be viewed and mustered every half year, according to the manner of England.” We don’t really know to what extent each undertaker actually followed those instructions but where they did the local Muster Rolls could contain a list of every able bodied adult male in the given area. The complete absence of Morrisons in both Fermanagh & Tyrone (save for the 2 in Strabane) would suggest to me they hadn’t arrived in big numbers at that time. There’s 329 of them in the 1901 Fermanagh & Tyrone census. None in Fermanagh in 1630 and just 2 in Tyrone. There were a lot of undertakers estates in those 2 counties. If Morrisons were present in significant numbers then you would expect more to show in the Muster Rolls, even allowing for some estates that didn't keep records.. I agree with Les that we can’t say for certain, but my feeling is they hadn’t arrived in Kilskeery by 1630. Elwyn On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList <mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> wrote: Variations in spelling are of little consequence Rick as much was spelt phonetically in the past. The Scots arrived in the North of Ireland in several waves dependent upon political and religious conditions in Scotland. Many settlers returned to their homeland as a result of the 1641 Rebellion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Rebellion_of_1641 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Rebellion_of_1641> but returned once peace had been restored. Following the Relief of the Siege of Londonderry in 1689 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Derry <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Derry> and the defeat of the forces of James II great numbers of new settlers arrived. My thoughts are that it will not be possible to ascertain the date of your forebears arrival in Kilskeery parish Regards, Len Swindley Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 -
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Hoping for some opinions here: In the Kilskeery Parish 1826 Tithe Applotment listings, I find an Edward Morrison listed for Loughterush townland. Using the Atavus search engine (Edward Morrison, Loughterush), I first see a record of a birth of Edward Morrison to Edward and Isabella Morrison in 1795. This is exciting. Looking at the search results farther down the page, I find a series of births to an Edward Morrow and wife Isabella (in Loughterush), ranging from 1781 to 1789.Hmmm. Going back to the Kilskeery Tithe Applotment listings, there are three Morrows listed (no Edwards), and none of them are in Loughterush. I'm wondering: is it likely that there is a transcription error here? I would greatly appreciate any opinions here. Thanks! Rick Smoll -Original Message- From: Len Swindley via CoTyroneList To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List Cc: Len Swindley ; Elwyn Soutter Sent: Tue, Jul 24, 2018 5:55 am Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) Many thanks for your insights, Elwyn Len Swindley Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: CoTyroneList on behalf of elwyn soutter via CoTyroneList Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 8:32:58 PM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List Cc: elwyn soutter Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) Rick, In the early 1600s, the English & Scottish undertakers (ie big landholders) were required to “Have ready in their houses at all times a convenient store of arms, wherewith they may furnish a competent number of men for their defence, which may be viewed and mustered every half year, according to the manner of England.” We don’t really know to what extent each undertaker actually followed those instructions but where they did the local Muster Rolls could contain a list of every able bodied adult male in the given area. The complete absence of Morrisons in both Fermanagh & Tyrone (save for the 2 in Strabane) would suggest to me they hadn’t arrived in big numbers at that time. There’s 329 of them in the 1901 Fermanagh & Tyrone census. None in Fermanagh in 1630 and just 2 in Tyrone. There were a lot of undertakers estates in those 2 counties. If Morrisons were present in significant numbers then you would expect more to show in the Muster Rolls, even allowing for some estates that didn't keep records.. I agree with Les that we can’t say for certain, but my feeling is they hadn’t arrived in Kilskeery by 1630. Elwyn On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList wrote: Variations in spelling are of little consequence Rick as much was spelt phonetically in the past. The Scots arrived in the North of Ireland in several waves dependent upon political and religious conditions in Scotland. Many settlers returned to their homeland as a result of the 1641 Rebellionhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Rebellion_of_1641 but returned once peace had been restored. Following the Relief of the Siege of Londonderry in 1689https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Derry and the defeat of the forces of James II great numbers of new settlers arrived. My thoughts are that it will not be possible to ascertain the date of your forebears arrival in Kilskeery parish Regards, Len Swindley Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Rick Smoll Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 11:19:46 PM To: len_swind...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) Thanks Len I checked Fermanagh … there was one Alex. Morison (note one s) in Barony de Magerbuy (with "sword and pike"). No way to tell at this point whether this is an ancestor of mine, though. Given all your experience, would you guess that my Morrisons came to Kilskeery at a much later date? Thanks again Rick Smoll -Original Message- From: Len Swindley To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List Cc: rsmoll999 Sent: Sat, Jul 21, 2018 6:43 pm Subject: RE: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) There are only two Morrisons recorded in the Tyrone muster rolls, both mustered in the Town of Strabane: Robert MORISON (sic) David MORRISON Extracted from Men and Armes; The Ulster Settlers c1630 (Ulster Historical Foundation) Perhaps your Morrison forebears originally settled in Co. Fermanagh? Hope this clarifies things, Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: CoTyroneList on behalf of rsmoll999 via CoTyroneList Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 4:39:09 AM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List Cc: rsmoll999 Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) Thanks for your response and information! Narrows it down some anyway. I guess i just need to keep searching for records of my Morrison ancestors there until i get all the way back to the 1600s ... only about 6 more to go! Tha
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Many thanks for your insights, Elwyn Len Swindley Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: CoTyroneList on behalf of elwyn soutter via CoTyroneList Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 8:32:58 PM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List Cc: elwyn soutter Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) Rick, In the early 1600s, the English & Scottish undertakers (ie big landholders) were required to “Have ready in their houses at all times a convenient store of arms, wherewith they may furnish a competent number of men for their defence, which may be viewed and mustered every half year, according to the manner of England.” We don’t really know to what extent each undertaker actually followed those instructions but where they did the local Muster Rolls could contain a list of every able bodied adult male in the given area. The complete absence of Morrisons in both Fermanagh & Tyrone (save for the 2 in Strabane) would suggest to me they hadn’t arrived in big numbers at that time. There’s 329 of them in the 1901 Fermanagh & Tyrone census. None in Fermanagh in 1630 and just 2 in Tyrone. There were a lot of undertakers estates in those 2 counties. If Morrisons were present in significant numbers then you would expect more to show in the Muster Rolls, even allowing for some estates that didn't keep records.. I agree with Les that we can’t say for certain, but my feeling is they hadn’t arrived in Kilskeery by 1630. Elwyn On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> wrote: Variations in spelling are of little consequence Rick as much was spelt phonetically in the past. The Scots arrived in the North of Ireland in several waves dependent upon political and religious conditions in Scotland. Many settlers returned to their homeland as a result of the 1641 Rebellion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Rebellion_of_1641 but returned once peace had been restored. Following the Relief of the Siege of Londonderry in 1689 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Derry and the defeat of the forces of James II great numbers of new settlers arrived. My thoughts are that it will not be possible to ascertain the date of your forebears arrival in Kilskeery parish Regards, Len Swindley Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: Rick Smoll mailto:rsmoll...@aim.com>> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 11:19:46 PM To: len_swind...@hotmail.com<mailto:len_swind...@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) Thanks Len I checked Fermanagh … there was one Alex. Morison (note one s) in Barony de Magerbuy (with "sword and pike"). No way to tell at this point whether this is an ancestor of mine, though. Given all your experience, would you guess that my Morrisons came to Kilskeery at a much later date? Thanks again Rick Smoll -Original Message- From: Len Swindley mailto:len_swind...@hotmail.com>> To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> Cc: rsmoll999 mailto:rsmoll...@aim.com>> Sent: Sat, Jul 21, 2018 6:43 pm Subject: RE: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) There are only two Morrisons recorded in the Tyrone muster rolls, both mustered in the Town of Strabane: Robert MORISON (sic) David MORRISON Extracted from Men and Armes; The Ulster Settlers c1630 (Ulster Historical Foundation) Perhaps your Morrison forebears originally settled in Co. Fermanagh? Hope this clarifies things, Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: CoTyroneList mailto:boun...@cotyroneireland.com>> on behalf of rsmoll999 via CoTyroneList mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 4:39:09 AM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List Cc: rsmoll999 Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) Thanks for your response and information! Narrows it down some anyway. I guess i just need to keep searching for records of my Morrison ancestors there until i get all the way back to the 1600s ... only about 6 more to go! Thanks again! Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S7. Original message From: elwyn soutter via CoTyroneList mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> Date: 7/21/18 6:17 AM (GMT-06:00) To: "CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List" mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> Cc: elwyn soutter mailto:elwynsout...@googlemail.com>> Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) Rick, There aren’t any specific lists of peop
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Rick, In the early 1600s, the English & Scottish undertakers (ie big landholders) were required to “Have ready in their houses at all times a convenient store of arms, wherewith they may furnish a competent number of men for their defence, which may be viewed and mustered every half year, according to the manner of England.” We don’t really know to what extent each undertaker actually followed those instructions but where they did the local Muster Rolls could contain a list of every able bodied adult male in the given area. The complete absence of Morrisons in both Fermanagh & Tyrone (save for the 2 in Strabane) would suggest to me they hadn’t arrived in big numbers at that time. There’s 329 of them in the 1901 Fermanagh & Tyrone census. None in Fermanagh in 1630 and just 2 in Tyrone. There were a lot of undertakers estates in those 2 counties. If Morrisons were present in significant numbers then you would expect more to show in the Muster Rolls, even allowing for some estates that didn't keep records.. I agree with Les that we can’t say for certain, but my feeling is they hadn’t arrived in Kilskeery by 1630. Elwyn On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList < cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > Variations in spelling are of little consequence Rick as much was spelt > phonetically in the past. > > > > The Scots arrived in the North of Ireland in several waves dependent upon > political and religious conditions in Scotland. Many settlers returned to > their homeland as a result of the 1641 Rebellion > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Rebellion_of_1641 but returned once > peace had been restored. Following the Relief of the Siege of Londonderry > in 1689 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Derry and the defeat of > the forces of James II great numbers of new settlers arrived. > > > > My thoughts are that it will not be possible to ascertain the date of your > forebears arrival in Kilskeery parish > > Regards, Len Swindley > > > > > > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for > Windows 10 > > > -- > *From:* Rick Smoll > *Sent:* Monday, July 23, 2018 11:19:46 PM > *To:* len_swind...@hotmail.com > *Subject:* Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland > (kilskeery) > > Thanks Len > I checked Fermanagh … there was one Alex. Morison (note one s) in Barony > de Magerbuy (with "sword and pike"). No way to tell at this point whether > this is an ancestor of mine, though. Given all your experience, would you > guess that my Morrisons came to Kilskeery at a much later date? > > Thanks again > > Rick Smoll > > > > -Original Message----- > From: Len Swindley > To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List > Cc: rsmoll999 > Sent: Sat, Jul 21, 2018 6:43 pm > Subject: RE: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland > (kilskeery) > > There are only two Morrisons recorded in the Tyrone muster rolls, both > mustered in the Town of Strabane: > > Robert MORISON (sic) > David MORRISON > Extracted from *Men and Armes; The Ulster Settlers c1630* (Ulster > Historical Foundation) > > Perhaps your Morrison forebears originally settled in Co. Fermanagh? > > Hope this clarifies things, > > Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia > > > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for > Windows 10 > > ------ > *From:* CoTyroneList on behalf > of rsmoll999 via CoTyroneList > *Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 4:39:09 AM > *To:* CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List > *Cc:* rsmoll999 > *Subject:* Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland > (kilskeery) > > Thanks for your response and information! > > Narrows it down some anyway. I guess i just need to keep searching for > records of my Morrison ancestors there until i get all the way back to the > 1600s ... only about 6 more to go! > > Thanks again! > > > > Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S7. > > Original message > From: elwyn soutter via CoTyroneList > Date: 7/21/18 6:17 AM (GMT-06:00) > To: "CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List" > Cc: elwyn soutter > Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland > (kilskeery) > > Rick, > > There aren’t any specific lists of people who settled in Ireland as part > of the Plantation and other population movements in the 1600s. All we > really know are the names of the big tenants (Undertakers) and where in > Scotland they came from. But there are no lists of the tenants that > accompanied them. > > However there are no Morrisons in the Kilskeery area in the 1
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Variations in spelling are of little consequence Rick as much was spelt phonetically in the past. The Scots arrived in the North of Ireland in several waves dependent upon political and religious conditions in Scotland. Many settlers returned to their homeland as a result of the 1641 Rebellion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Rebellion_of_1641 but returned once peace had been restored. Following the Relief of the Siege of Londonderry in 1689 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Derry and the defeat of the forces of James II great numbers of new settlers arrived. My thoughts are that it will not be possible to ascertain the date of your forebears arrival in Kilskeery parish Regards, Len Swindley Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: Rick Smoll Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 11:19:46 PM To: len_swind...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) Thanks Len I checked Fermanagh … there was one Alex. Morison (note one s) in Barony de Magerbuy (with "sword and pike"). No way to tell at this point whether this is an ancestor of mine, though. Given all your experience, would you guess that my Morrisons came to Kilskeery at a much later date? Thanks again Rick Smoll -Original Message- From: Len Swindley To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List Cc: rsmoll999 Sent: Sat, Jul 21, 2018 6:43 pm Subject: RE: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) There are only two Morrisons recorded in the Tyrone muster rolls, both mustered in the Town of Strabane: Robert MORISON (sic) David MORRISON Extracted from Men and Armes; The Ulster Settlers c1630 (Ulster Historical Foundation) Perhaps your Morrison forebears originally settled in Co. Fermanagh? Hope this clarifies things, Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: CoTyroneList mailto:boun...@cotyroneireland.com>> on behalf of rsmoll999 via CoTyroneList mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 4:39:09 AM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List Cc: rsmoll999 Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) Thanks for your response and information! Narrows it down some anyway. I guess i just need to keep searching for records of my Morrison ancestors there until i get all the way back to the 1600s ... only about 6 more to go! Thanks again! Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S7. Original message From: elwyn soutter via CoTyroneList mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> Date: 7/21/18 6:17 AM (GMT-06:00) To: "CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List" mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> Cc: elwyn soutter mailto:elwynsout...@googlemail.com>> Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) Rick, There aren’t any specific lists of people who settled in Ireland as part of the Plantation and other population movements in the 1600s. All we really know are the names of the big tenants (Undertakers) and where in Scotland they came from. But there are no lists of the tenants that accompanied them. However there are no Morrisons in the Kilskeery area in the 1630 Muster Rolls. That tends to suggest that your family may have arrived in the area post 1630, either direct from Scotland or perhaps having relocated from another part of Ulster, making it trickier to identify their origins. Elwyn On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 7:55 PM, Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> wrote: Hello All, I was able to locate our ancestral farm in Loughterush (and actually visited it last year), which was in the family up until around 1970 when the last Morrison on it passed away. I have traced ancestors on the farm back to James Morrison (for whom I do not have a birth date, but was likely born around 1800). I have been assuming that our Morrisons originally came from Scotland, but do not know when. Can anyone point me to records that might give specific information regarding individuals who came to this specific townland (as part of the British planter/ colonization that occurred in the 16th-18th centuries)? Thanks! Rick Smoll ___ CoTyroneList mailing list CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com<mailto:CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com> http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com ___ CoTyroneList mailing list CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com
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There are only two Morrisons recorded in the Tyrone muster rolls, both mustered in the Town of Strabane: Robert MORISON (sic) David MORRISON Extracted from Men and Armes; The Ulster Settlers c1630 (Ulster Historical Foundation) Perhaps your Morrison forebears originally settled in Co. Fermanagh? Hope this clarifies things, Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: CoTyroneList on behalf of rsmoll999 via CoTyroneList Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 4:39:09 AM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List Cc: rsmoll999 Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) Thanks for your response and information! Narrows it down some anyway. I guess i just need to keep searching for records of my Morrison ancestors there until i get all the way back to the 1600s ... only about 6 more to go! Thanks again! Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S7. Original message From: elwyn soutter via CoTyroneList Date: 7/21/18 6:17 AM (GMT-06:00) To: "CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List" Cc: elwyn soutter Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) Rick, There aren’t any specific lists of people who settled in Ireland as part of the Plantation and other population movements in the 1600s. All we really know are the names of the big tenants (Undertakers) and where in Scotland they came from. But there are no lists of the tenants that accompanied them. However there are no Morrisons in the Kilskeery area in the 1630 Muster Rolls. That tends to suggest that your family may have arrived in the area post 1630, either direct from Scotland or perhaps having relocated from another part of Ulster, making it trickier to identify their origins. Elwyn On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 7:55 PM, Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> wrote: Hello All, I was able to locate our ancestral farm in Loughterush (and actually visited it last year), which was in the family up until around 1970 when the last Morrison on it passed away. I have traced ancestors on the farm back to James Morrison (for whom I do not have a birth date, but was likely born around 1800). I have been assuming that our Morrisons originally came from Scotland, but do not know when. Can anyone point me to records that might give specific information regarding individuals who came to this specific townland (as part of the British planter/ colonization that occurred in the 16th-18th centuries)? Thanks! Rick Smoll ___ CoTyroneList mailing list CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com<mailto:CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com> http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com ___ CoTyroneList mailing list CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com
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Thanks for your response and information! Narrows it down some anyway. I guess i just need to keep searching for records of my Morrison ancestors there until i get all the way back to the 1600s ... only about 6 more to go! Thanks again! Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S7. Original message From: elwyn soutter via CoTyroneList Date: 7/21/18 6:17 AM (GMT-06:00) To: "CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List" Cc: elwyn soutter Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) Rick, There aren’t any specific lists of people who settled in Ireland as part of the Plantation and other population movements in the 1600s. All we really know are the names of the big tenants (Undertakers) and where in Scotland they came from. But there are no lists of the tenants that accompanied them. However there are no Morrisons in the Kilskeery area in the 1630 Muster Rolls. That tends to suggest that your family may have arrived in the area post 1630, either direct from Scotland or perhaps having relocated from another part of Ulster, making it trickier to identify their origins. Elwyn On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 7:55 PM, Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList wrote: Hello All, I was able to locate our ancestral farm in Loughterush (and actually visited it last year), which was in the family up until around 1970 when the last Morrison on it passed away. I have traced ancestors on the farm back to James Morrison (for whom I do not have a birth date, but was likely born around 1800). I have been assuming that our Morrisons originally came from Scotland, but do not know when. Can anyone point me to records that might give specific information regarding individuals who came to this specific townland (as part of the British planter/ colonization that occurred in the 16th-18th centuries)? Thanks! Rick Smoll ___ CoTyroneList mailing list CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com ___ CoTyroneList mailing list CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com
Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery)
Rick, There aren’t any specific lists of people who settled in Ireland as part of the Plantation and other population movements in the 1600s. All we really know are the names of the big tenants (Undertakers) and where in Scotland they came from. But there are no lists of the tenants that accompanied them. However there are no Morrisons in the Kilskeery area in the 1630 Muster Rolls. That tends to suggest that your family may have arrived in the area post 1630, either direct from Scotland or perhaps having relocated from another part of Ulster, making it trickier to identify their origins. Elwyn On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 7:55 PM, Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList < cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > Hello All, > I was able to locate our ancestral farm in Loughterush (and actually > visited it last year), which was in the family up until around 1970 when > the last Morrison on it passed away. I have traced ancestors on the > farm back to James Morrison (for whom I do not have a birth date, but was > likely born around 1800). I have been assuming that our Morrisons > originally came from Scotland, but do not know when. > > Can anyone point me to records that might give specific information > regarding individuals who came to this specific townland (as part of the > British planter/ colonization that occurred in the 16th-18th centuries)? > > Thanks! > > Rick Smoll > > ___ > CoTyroneList mailing list > CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com > http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/ > cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com > > ___ CoTyroneList mailing list CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com
[CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery)
Hello All, I was able to locate our ancestral farm in Loughterush (and actually visited it last year), which was in the family up until around 1970 when the last Morrison on it passed away. I have traced ancestors on the farm back to James Morrison (for whom I do not have a birth date, but was likely born around 1800). I have been assuming that our Morrisons originally came from Scotland, but do not know when. Can anyone point me to records that might give specific information regarding individuals who came to this specific townland (as part of the British planter/ colonization that occurred in the 16th-18th centuries)? Thanks! Rick Smoll ___ CoTyroneList mailing list CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com
