Re: [Crm-sig] Fwd: CRM SIG in Plovdiv: Sign Up!

2024-05-22 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
that the booking is for the SIG Meeting hosted by > Takin.solutions, so they know for which event you are coming. > > Participants in the SIG are obviously free to choose to stay where they > like in the city and there are probably many great airbnbs and other hotels > which you could sta

Re: [Crm-sig] Fwd: CRM SIG in Plovdiv: Sign Up!

2024-04-30 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
pr 23, 2024 at 10:35 AM George Bruseker via Crm-sig < crm-sig@ics.forth.gr> wrote: > Dear all, > > Thank you for your input on your attendance plans for the SIG planned for > this fall in Plovdiv. Currently we have +-15 certain attendees. Based on > this informatio

Re: [Crm-sig] Fwd: CRM SIG in Plovdiv: Sign Up!

2024-04-23 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
usp=sharing> > > Best, > Eleni > > > -- Forwarded message - > From: George Bruseker via Crm-sig > Date: Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 4:49 PM > Subject: [Crm-sig] CRM SIG in Plovdiv: Sign Up! > To: crm-sig > > > Dear all, > > As discussed yester

[Crm-sig] CIDOC 2024 {Sustainable Connections: Building Knowledge Networks}

2024-04-09 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear all, I am writing to share information on the call for contributions of the next International Council of Documentation (CIDOC) conference. The conference will take place in Amsterdam this year from 11-15 of November and will be hosted by the Rijksmuseum. The topic is: Sustainable

[Crm-sig] CRM SIG in Plovdiv: Sign Up!

2024-03-22 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear all, As discussed yesterday in the CRM SIG session hosted by the BNF in Paris, the fall meeting of the CRM SIG will be held in Plovdiv, Bulgaria and be hosted by Takin.solutions. In order to let people know a little bit more about our home city, we have prepared the following powerpoint

[Crm-sig] Linking Linked Data in Art History Interest Group (online, 25 Apr-1 Nov 24)

2024-02-22 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear all, I just wanted to share this initiative with you in case it speaks to you personally or scholars and researchers in your networks and communities. https://arthist.net/archive/41183 It is an effort conceived and led by historians to discuss from their perspective the potential use of

Re: [Crm-sig] Example for propositional objects

2024-01-12 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Other fun examples from philosophy could be the Dao De Jing for which there are radically different translations that assume different propositional content. Wittgenstein scholarship also has, I believe, extensive archival numbering system and a developed commentary practice around the number

Re: [Crm-sig] Example for propositional objects

2024-01-12 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear Martin et al., If what you mean by using the practice of referencing Bekker numbers as an example for propositional object is to create a complex example that spans multiple classes and properties and illustrates the interrelation between information object and propositional object and

Re: [Crm-sig] Example for propositional objects

2024-01-10 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
is not so far from your thoughts :-) > > Ciao, > A. > > Il giorno 10 gen 2024, alle ore 07:30, George Bruseker via Crm-sig < > crm-sig@ics.forth.gr> ha scritto: > > Dear Martin, > > As a scholar of ancient philosophy, I do love Bekker numbers, but I am &g

Re: [Crm-sig] Example for propositional objects

2024-01-09 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear Martin, As a scholar of ancient philosophy, I do love Bekker numbers, but I am curious why they would be an example of propositional object. They are a reference to a particular chunk of text in the original Greek as setup in the Bekker edition. As such, I think as a scholar using ancient

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue 519, use of "preferred identifier" and "current permanent location"

2023-10-12 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Agreed. And it would make the standard more compact, an important principle! Deprecate On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 at 6:30 PM Robert Sanderson via Crm-sig < crm-sig@ics.forth.gr> wrote: > yes to deprecating both properties. > > preference is both context specific, and a classification of an identifier

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue: P168i defines place shortcut

2023-10-05 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
t is not clear enough, please reformulate > adequately. > > Best, > > Martin > > > On 10/3/2023 9:59 AM, George Bruseker via Crm-sig wrote: > > The duality of primitives as being in and out of of the universe of a > discourse is a problem > > On Tue, Oct 3, 202

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue: P168i defines place shortcut

2023-10-03 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
The duality of primitives as being in and out of of the universe of a discourse is a problem On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 9:45 AM Schmidle, Wolfgang via Crm-sig < crm-sig@ics.forth.gr> wrote: > Okay, last one. I had overlooked P82 "at some time within", and of course > there is also P172 "contains"

Re: [Crm-sig] Evaluation of a learning tool based on gamified graph modeling

2023-08-28 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear Kai, Thank you for the update on your work! This is an important segment of CIDOC CRM work, to create means for appropriating the model and applying it. I am sure this will be of interest to many in the group and will merit further discussion. Sincerely, George On Fri, Aug 25, 2023 at

[Crm-sig] Co-Funded PhD Position Takin.solutions and University of Teramo: Historical Research and Semantic Data

2023-06-26 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear all, Takin.solutions is excited to announce a co-funded PhD with the University of Teramo in the areas of semantic data and historical research. The PhD will focus on research on early modern slavery and traders in Africa and across the Atlantic. The researcher will create and explore

Re: [Crm-sig] NEW ISSUE: Statements about Statements.

2023-05-16 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
ld say E13 is exactly the right approach >>> to use. In comparison, I consider the PC classes to be just that - a >>> syntactic work around needed in RDF and not part of the discourse. In >>> LInked Art, in a discussion around uncertain attribution of artists and >>&

Re: [Crm-sig] PC0_Typed_CRM_Property in CRMpc

2023-05-11 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear Martin, I agree that E13 is a poor man's solution to a complicated problem. But it is for some, the solution available. Other solutions like Inf for documenting historical argumentation and using named graphs is great as a possibility. Using prov o to represent the meta discursive level of

Re: [Crm-sig] PC0_Typed_CRM_Property in CRMpc

2023-05-11 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear Francesco, Martin, Again for the record since I seem to be being read at cross purposes, when I mention the word 'provenance' I do not mean it in the sense of dataset provenance (to which prov o would apply). I mean that in the world to be described (the real world of tables charis cats dogs

Re: [Crm-sig] PC0_Typed_CRM_Property in CRMpc

2023-05-09 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Hi everyone, To be clear I at no point suggested changing the ontology specification. I proposed making the rdfs for pc classes consistent logically. It presently isn't. If this is too big a leap for some it is not a problem I will just implement it locally because I can't have unprovenanced

Re: [Crm-sig] PC0_Typed_CRM_Property in CRMpc

2023-05-08 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
ntities is fundamental to the >>> methodology of ontological analysis. >>> >>> As a second step, we can start to investigate to which degree PC classes >>> qualify as ontological individuals in their own right. If we start >>> declaring a priori all PC

Re: [Crm-sig] PC0_Typed_CRM_Property in CRMpc

2023-05-08 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
r to justify and >> remove all those that are relations in the true sense. For instance, I >> cannot imagine the "being part of" a Physical Object for some time to >> become an entity, because it needs a timespan. >> >> Best, >> >> Martin >> >

Re: [Crm-sig] PC0_Typed_CRM_Property in CRMpc

2023-05-08 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
of E1. In my understanding, this class implies a situation > concluded in an epistemological context. I am also not sure if the > provenance we are looking for in this set of statements is a kind of > E13. I am just wondering. > > BRs, > Athina > > > On 2023-03-29 1

[Crm-sig] Homework for Issue 628: redo learning diagrams

2023-05-04 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear all, An open homework relates to updating the diagrams in the Use and Learn section to accord with CRM 7.1.1. On the road to that goal, we have had a first pass at re-representing the extant diagrams in an updated style using draw.io . You can find the link to this work here:

Re: [Crm-sig] ISSUE Implementing .2 Properties in RDF

2023-05-02 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Hi Pavlos, I definitely agree to keep following the PC modelling pattern at this moment and your RDF description above looks correct to me. My point was a theoretic one. The spirit should be to come to a conclusion on this issue given current premises. My comments for posterity not the present

Re: [Crm-sig] ISSUE Implementing .2 Properties in RDF

2023-05-02 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear both, I am more and more swayed by Francesco's argument that every PC property class hides an actual ontological entity which we are failing to properly model. I think in principle what Pavlos proposes is syntactically correct and insofar as we stay on PC here that is probably the way to

[Crm-sig] Training Materials Conceptualization, Needs and Resources Discussion

2023-04-21 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear all, You will have noticed on the agenda for the upcoming CRM SIG recently sent by Eleni Tsoulouha that a day has been set aside for a discussion centering around didactic and training material related to the understanding and use of CIDOC CRM. The dedication of a day to this topic was

[Crm-sig] PC0_Typed_CRM_Property in CRMpc

2023-03-29 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear all, When using the PC classes modelling structure we end up with a class node for a property which we can then modify with things like 'kinds' and 'modes' etc. Since such a statement has meaning and comes from somewhere [e.g.: that someone did something in some capacity (PC14 carried out

Re: [Crm-sig] Relation between E28 Conceptual Object and E74 Group

2023-03-09 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
I'm posting the following response text from Steve because the mailing list software tosses his messages out: Just a quick thought. As you mention a set of individual performances (E7 Activities) you could say that the individual performances (E7 Activity: performance of Tango on particular

Re: [Crm-sig] Relation between E28 Conceptual Object and E74 Group

2023-03-09 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
I'd use the term 'forms of life' instead of 'intangible heritage'. Then the likely closest CRM concept is E5 Event, at least if you want to be able to associate to actors in any direct way. E5 Event "Tango" p11 had participant E74 Group. Probably to be more expressive one would need an extension

[Crm-sig] Typo in Archaeo RDFS?

2023-01-20 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear all, Whilst doing some Archaeo implementation in Arches, Takin.solutions noticed a typo in the latest stable RDF for archaeo. 1.4.1 https://cidoc-crm.org/crmarchaeo/ModelVersion/version-1.4.1 The RDF reads: Stratigraphic Unit This class comprises S20 Physical Features that are either A2

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue 624, linguistic Appellation

2022-12-16 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear both, I'm too covidy still to follow this in detail but I think the issue was left, for the notes to show, for Martin to provide an example to show the problem he sees that we cannot see. Cheers, George On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 9:47 PM Martin Doerr via Crm-sig < crm-sig@ics.forth.gr>

[Crm-sig] COVID case

2022-12-13 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Hi, On return to Athens yesterday Dec 12 I tested positive for COVID. I did not feel symptoms during Luxembourg meet but I thought it wise to share this with those who were in person. I do feel symptoms now. O13 triggered! All the best George ___

[Crm-sig] HW for Issue 488

2022-12-07 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear all, Please find my HW for Issue 488 https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1FrHiJj_4jR46ZeBjhsFblXQej2gwaZwCq3l-YU8--18/edit?usp=sharing The issue is around for a while and is about documenting roles and representation in activities. I present a potential solution based on evidence from

[Crm-sig] Homework for Issue 624

2022-12-04 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear all, Issue 624 can be found here: https://cidoc-crm.org/Issue/ID-624-add-e33e41linguisticappellation-to-the-official-specification The discussion revolves around adding a class to the specification and not just the rdfs which represents the phenomenon of names being in languages. The

[Crm-sig] HW for Issue 547 CRMdig Update

2022-12-01 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear all, Please find in the following links some additional homework for the ongoing CRMdig update. Discussion Doc https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mjPo_UVJ7MlHzQuhEU8TCd4GnwbgOkR308oMPRxKzKY/edit?usp=sharing Supporting Diagrams

Re: [Crm-sig] ISSUE: Delete Unnecessary / Incorrect Properties of CRMdig

2022-11-30 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
in Luxembourg. Sincerely, George On Sun, Nov 6, 2022 at 4:53 PM Martin Doerr via Crm-sig < crm-sig@ics.forth.gr> wrote: > YES > > On Tue, Nov 1, 2022, 10:56 George Bruseker via Crm-sig < > crm-sig@ics.forth.gr> wrote: > >> Dear all, >> >> I propose the d

Re: [Crm-sig] ISSUE: Delete Unnecessary / Incorrect Classes of CRMdig

2022-11-30 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
in Luxembourg. Sincerely, George On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 9:38 AM Weiss Christian SNM via Crm-sig < crm-sig@ics.forth.gr> wrote: > > YES > > On 01/11/2022 09:53, George Bruseker via Crm-sig wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > I propose the deletion of the following classes

[Crm-sig] NEW ISSUE: Add E33_E41_Linguistic_Appellation to the Official Specification

2022-11-13 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear all, Given the opened discussion of the utility and need for this class and the discussion which illustrates a clear precedent and use for this class, as well as the need for the top principle for the need to clearly document elements of the standard, I propose for the class to be added not

Re: [Crm-sig] error in RDFS for 7.1.1 for the class that is a subclass of E41 and E33

2022-11-13 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Here is fun example of linguistic object which I guess challenges p72 but is still actually diaskedastic and perithoric to our enterprise, brought to you by the great zolotas https://youtu.be/2XAcuxFqk9k In what language is it? In what language is this email? And is it in our capacity as

Re: [Crm-sig] error in RDFS for 7.1.1 for the class that is a subclass of E41 and E33

2022-11-10 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
La trahison des images" is back to French; "The wind and >> the song" is back to English ... On the other hand, a 'name' is usually >> composed of words, etc. that have no other use in natural language. But >> there are many counter-examples, and the distinction may

Re: [Crm-sig] error in RDFS for 7.1.1 for the class that is a subclass of E41 and E33

2022-11-09 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear Martin, I don't see an ontological problem here. One name can be used by / in many languages. If it is, that can be documented. > The question was not if names can belong to language, or if langauges > create names. It was how this is unambiguously defined. > It isn't our job as

Re: [Crm-sig] error in RDFS for 7.1.1 for the class that is a subclass of E41 and E33

2022-11-09 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
or to put it another way, if one only lived in a world of CRMese and knew nothing else about the world in itself, understanding what E33_E41 is is just a question of understanding what E35_Title is and then taking the conceptual leap that it can be applied to E1. That's it! Names, in a language,

Re: [Crm-sig] error in RDFS for 7.1.1 for the class that is a subclass of E41 and E33

2022-11-09 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear both, I have to agree with Robert, I basically can't even conceive how this is an argument. Obviously names come in languages MOST of the time. This is a basic feature of living in a human society, is it not? Is this not a base experience of being embodied as a human being that we all

Re: [Crm-sig] error in RDFS for 7.1.1 for the class that is a subclass of E41 and E33

2022-11-09 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
ue, Nov 8, 2022 at 9:18 AM Pavlos Fafalios via Crm-sig < >>>> crm-sig@ics.forth.gr> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear George, >>>>> >>>>> To my understanding (without having been involved in the >>>>> relevant discussi

Re: [Crm-sig] error in RDFS for 7.1.1 for the class that is a subclass of E41 and E33

2022-11-09 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
t;> On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 9:18 AM Pavlos Fafalios via Crm-sig < >>>> crm-sig@ics.forth.gr> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear George, >>>>> >>>>> To my understanding (without having been involved in the >>>>> relevant disc

Re: [Crm-sig] error in RDFS for 7.1.1 for the class that is a subclass of E41 and E33

2022-11-08 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
provide the appropriate >> class and document it and allow people to build around it, would be a >> superior way to go imho. >> >> On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 12:04 PM stead...@outlook.com < >> stead...@outlook.com> wrote: >> >>> Surely the RDFS E33_E41 is ju

Re: [Crm-sig] error in RDFS for 7.1.1 for the class that is a subclass of E41 and E33

2022-11-08 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
concept. >>> Needing to use an arcane construct either E33_E41 or multi instantiation >>> for the majority case when the standard could just provide the appropriate >>> class and document it and allow people to build around it, would be a >>> superior way to go

Re: [Crm-sig] error in RDFS for 7.1.1 for the class that is a subclass of E41 and E33

2022-11-08 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
ple > instantiation that is problematic in RDFS land not a need for a new class. > > > > *From:* Crm-sig *On Behalf Of *George > Bruseker via Crm-sig > *Sent:* 07 November 2022 15:58 > *To:* Elias Tzortzakakis > *Cc:* Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr > *Subject:* Re: [Crm-sig] erro

Re: [Crm-sig] error in RDFS for 7.1.1 for the class that is a subclass of E41 and E33

2022-11-07 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
; I will correct this ASAP, > > > > Kind regards, > > Elias Tzortzakakis > > > > > > *From:* Crm-sig *On Behalf Of *George > Bruseker via Crm-sig > *Sent:* Monday, November 7, 2022 5:02 PM > *To:* crm-sig > *Subject:* [Crm-sig] error in RDFS for 7.1.1

[Crm-sig] error in RDFS for 7.1.1 for the class that is a subclass of E41 and E33

2022-11-07 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear all, There are two references to the class that is a subclass of E41 and E33 that allows you to talk about the language of a name (which is a super common requirement... actually almost always necessary). I can't give you it's official name because I dont know because it isn't in the spec

[Crm-sig] URIs of Classes that change Label (and how to relate them)

2022-11-06 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear all, It is the CRM SIG's practice to encode the English label of a class into the URI of the class itself. We thus find the official URIs of CRM encoded in each official version of CRMbase on the official website: https://cidoc-crm.org/versions-of-the-cidoc-crm e.g.:

[Crm-sig] ISSUE: Delete Unnecessary / Incorrect Classes of CRMdig

2022-11-01 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear all, I propose the deletion of the following classes of CRMdig. The reason that each should be deleted is listed beside it, but there are two basic, principled reasons for the proposal: 1) the class can be modelled using a more generic pattern from CRMbase or CRMdig without loss of semantic

[Crm-sig] ISSUE: Delete Unnecessary / Incorrect Properties of CRMdig

2022-11-01 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear all, I propose the deletion of the following properties of CRMdig. The reason that each should be deleted is listed beside it, but there are two basic, principled reasons for the proposal: 1) the property can be modelled using a more generic pattern from CRMbase or CRMdig without loss of

[Crm-sig] CRMdig Issues Backgrounder

2022-11-01 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear all, I am writing this as a preface to a number of emails that I hope I will be sending through to the list over the next while regarding CRMdig. Following the last SIG meeting in Rome, a decision was made to try to move forward with doing a general review of CRMdig both to check its general

Re: [Crm-sig] E9 Move and its relationship with the origin/destination

2022-10-26 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear Martin and Wolfgang, > > >> Therefore, the described destination is an instance of E53 Place which > P89 falls within (contains) the instance of E53 Place the move P7 took > place at. > > P26(x,y) ⇒ (∃z) [E53(z) ∧ P7(x,z) ∧ P89(y,z)] > > > > I assume that P26 behaves in the same way as P7,

[Crm-sig] CRMdig Refocus HW

2022-08-16 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear all, Given that CRMbase 7.1.1 is now a static entity and needs to be so for the purposes of shepherding it through the ISO process (shout out to Philippe and Erin!), now seems a good time to be doing some consolidation on the many extensions and trying to tighten up official versions of

[Crm-sig] .1 properties on sub properties of properties with .1

2022-08-12 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Hi all, This is for the .1 fans out there. I think it's an old discussion, but one perhaps not unworth repeating. There are places where .1 is introduced like 'P14 carried out by' which allow you to qualify the relation's mode or aspect. Participated as lawyer, as doctor etc. Now P14 has

Re: [Crm-sig] New issues: Make SIG meetings more sustainable

2022-07-11 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear all, My two cents. I like the proposal regarding sustainability and its recognition particularly of the financial realities and the potentials of technologies / new methodologies and how they relate to our working practice. (Not to mention ecological questions) Setting a standard number of

Re: [Crm-sig] New issue: Improve voting process

2022-07-11 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear all, I also think that it would be useful to clarify who can or cannot vote and what is the formal basis of voting and to have voting come from this base. This does not mean that one has to vote if one formally is allowed to, simply that the voting community is made clear. This would then

[Crm-sig] International Meeting Integrated Risk Management in Museums. Past Lessons, Future Ways

2022-06-24 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear all, The organizer of this meeting invited me to share this link with you. They were hoping to hear about CIDOC CRM but couldn't organize anything in time. Regardless, it seems like a really good conference and of interest to some in the community. https://citcemnews.wixsite.com/irmm22

[Crm-sig] New Issue: Common Policy / Method for Implementing the .1 Properties of Base and Extensions in RDF

2022-03-24 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear all, Subsequent to another thread I started here I am proposing that there be a conversation about having a standard policy and method for creating, documenting and making available the .1 properties for base and its extensions in the RDF serialization. At present to my knowledge the PC

[Crm-sig] More .1 Questions CRMArchaeo

2022-03-23 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear all, I am also wondering about implementing .1 constructs in CRM Archaeo. Although CRM Archaeo declares .1 properties that are actually essential to its implementation, those properties are not (I believe) expressed in the RDF that comes with CRM Archaeo. Is there a hidden PC file for CRM

[Crm-sig] Where to find all the .1s

2022-03-22 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear all, I am wondering if we should have somewhere in the main document where you can find all the .1 properties. Presently, to my knowledge, there is no index of where these properties are. For those that use the .1 properties it is difficult to find them all using the specification document.

Re: [Crm-sig] E-vote for scope note part of issue 294 (CRMarchaeo)

2022-03-22 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Yes, to the reformulated text. With this caveat, that the underlined in the formulation, " This property associates a kind of object (documented as an instance of E55) to an instance of E4 Period *for indicating that* objects of this kind have been generated within this period," sounds

Re: [Crm-sig] CALL FOR E-VOTE ISSUE 581

2022-03-01 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear Martin, > May be you live in a different world, or make things artificially complex > for the sake of providing absolute answers, which do not exist. > Interesting claim. > > > The CRM method requires research questions. > > My implicit research question is simple: How do I prove that I

Re: [Crm-sig] CALL FOR E-VOTE ISSUE 581

2022-03-01 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear all, Social symbolic events such as acquisitions (not done by force) are also strictly not observable since you can only know that they occur if you share the same social symbolic set and 'conclude' or 'infer' that something has taken place. There is no atomic level at which we see these

[Crm-sig] Issue 528 HW: Where to put the translations

2022-02-10 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear all, A sub aspect of the issue that Philippe will introduce around translations is 'where to put the translations' on the website. I was tasked with doing this some SIGs ago. The HW has been there for a while. Time permitting, we can look at it!

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue 580: CRMsoc redefinition of scope

2022-02-10 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Hi All, Here is a link to the folder in the SIG CIDOC CRM Drive for issue 580 containing all the pertinent homework which is: Scope of CRMSoc List of Classes and Properties to be redistributed / considered New Spec doc with initial classes and properties proposed

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue 580: CRMsoc redefinition of scope

2022-02-07 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Hi All, Another part of this homework was to clear up the state of classes that were 'in' CRMSoc under the old definition, being considered to be in or just being bandied about as ideas. The idea is to house clean the whole business so that we can start off anew in the correct direction and also

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue 580: CRMsoc redefinition of scope

2022-02-04 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Following on this helpful new iteration of the thought by Martin maybe a phrasing like 'in distinction to facts established directly through / at the level of material physical processes and interactions' is more expressive of the content/intent? On Thu., Feb. 3, 2022, 11:52 p.m. Martin

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue 429 Homework 'has aptitude in'

2022-01-27 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
acquired. They make sense if the word "aptitude" is replaced > with "ability". > > Hope this is helpful. Please ignore if not. > > Best wishes, > > Matthew > Dr Matthew Stiff MSc DPhil DPsych CPsychol > Counselling Psychologist > Matthew Stiff Counselling Psychol

[Crm-sig] Issue 429 Homework 'has aptitude in'

2022-01-27 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Hi all, Following up on this issue, I have had a hack at proposing a property name and scope for a general skills type property. Here it is: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kge1gqohcr4NQK89kxbhiLfGuqgzassJpWze81GgmBc/edit?usp=sharing Best, George

[Crm-sig] Issue 578 CRMSci O19 Property Labels Minor Correction? Homework

2022-01-27 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Hi all, Here is the homework for 578 in the CRM SIG google drive: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EXSW6CRV3T1G05UpO8mH7hZwMDTu1_VvjzmzcaeudlI/edit?usp=sharing Best, George ___ Crm-sig mailing list Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr

Re: [Crm-sig] Modelling an Event's General Outcome Ideas? Properties?

2022-01-11 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
G > > All the best, > > Thanasis > > On 07/01/2022 10:08, George Bruseker via Crm-sig wrote: > > Hi Rob / Francesco / Martin, > > > > These are all nice examples that maybe we could dig into further, maybe > > they display the 'senses of outcome' problem

Re: [Crm-sig] Modelling an Event's General Outcome Ideas? Properties?

2022-01-07 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Hi Rob / Francesco / Martin, These are all nice examples that maybe we could dig into further, maybe they display the 'senses of outcome' problem Martin is pointing to? An ontological problem that seems to come up in my mind as I try to conceptualize this is do we mean 1) outcome of type in the

Re: [Crm-sig] Modelling an Event's General Outcome Ideas? Properties?

2022-01-07 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
t;> are offered for sale, which does not imply anything more than a sort of >>>>> publication. Actual purchase is a reaction on the offer. Purchase may >>>>> happen without offer. Actual change of ownership is modeled in the CRM. >>>>> The >

Re: [Crm-sig] About ... entity of Type?

2022-01-07 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Hi Martin, > We use the “type" because it implies necessarily if it is a perdurant or > endurant, person etc. If it does not, it is ill-defined, and has no place > in a Thesaurus (see the AAT). > Unfortunately, I find many thesuri don't follow good ontological principles, so we are forced for

Re: [Crm-sig] Modelling an Event's General Outcome Ideas? Properties?

2022-01-06 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
wn parameters of an event, such as purchase from unknown to >>> unknown, do not need a n "outcome" property, but are just a specific event >>> an object has experienced. >>> >>> Isn't it? >>> >>> Other kinds of "outcomes" can be modif

Re: [Crm-sig] Modelling an Event's General Outcome Ideas? Properties?

2022-01-06 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear Martin, Hi George, > > Please explain in more detail: > > On 1/6/2022 1:54 PM, George Bruseker wrote: > > Hi Martin, > > So the context for this is that there are provenance events being > described and there is categorical knowledge derivable from the source > material which a researcher

Re: [Crm-sig] About ... entity of Type?

2022-01-06 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
ess. Museum records cite such publications explicitly, but the > inverse has never been exploited systematically. > > Cheers, > > martin > > On 12/14/2021 6:55 PM, George Bruseker via Crm-sig wrote: > > better phrasing, 'about a particular thing that is known categorically' &g

Re: [Crm-sig] Modelling an Event's General Outcome Ideas? Properties?

2022-01-06 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
s is a very small subset. > > As in all such cases, we first need a collection of examples, and study if > there exist common semantics, or if it splits in a set of more specific > cases. I'd expect about 5 kinds of outcomes. If you give me the time, I can > present in the next m

Re: [Crm-sig] Modelling an Event's General Outcome Ideas? Properties?

2021-12-20 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
that one can > describe > > the type of something without specifying the individual. It is very > > economical in conservation where we want to avoid describing > > hundreds of > > individuals of similar types. > > > > We are still baking

Re: [Crm-sig] Official NameSpaces of CRM Extensions?

2021-12-20 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
> > vann:preferredNamespacePrefix "vir" ;vann:preferredNamespaceUri > "http://w3id.org/vir#; ; > > Best, > > Nicola > > -- > Nicola Carboni > Visual Contagions > Digital Humanities - dh.unige.ch > Faculté des Lettres > Université de Genèv

[Crm-sig] CIDOC CRM Digital Game Interview

2021-12-16 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear all, Here is an interview with Olivier Marlet by Humanum on the interest and use of a digital game for teaching and learning CIDOC CRM. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZF34982h-M Best, George ___ Crm-sig mailing list Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr

[Crm-sig] Official NameSpaces of CRM Extensions?

2021-12-15 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear all, I am wondering if anybody else struggles with what official namespace ot use for the CRM extensions. I'm not really sure how the situation stands. Should the minisites for each extension have a prominent place where they display the namespaces just so we all follow the same procedure?

Re: [Crm-sig] Modelling an Event's General Outcome Ideas? Properties?

2021-12-14 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
ere seems to be a simple implementation in OWL with > property paths. Not an immediate solution but a flag for more to come. > > All the best, > > Thanasis > > On 14/12/2021 15:49, George Bruseker via Crm-sig wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I have situations in which I h

Re: [Crm-sig] About ... entity of Type?

2021-12-14 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
better phrasing, 'about a particular thing that is known categorically' Eg Sales Record about 'Sale Event' On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 6:53 PM George Bruseker wrote: > Dear all, > > Recently work is on-going on a new property 'represents thing of type' > which is distinct from 'represents'

[Crm-sig] About ... entity of Type?

2021-12-14 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear all, Recently work is on-going on a new property 'represents thing of type' which is distinct from 'represents' (again that particular vs categorical distinction). https://cidoc-crm.org/Issue/ID-476-pxx-represents-entity-of-type I am confronted with cases of an information object being

[Crm-sig] Modelling an Event's General Outcome Ideas? Properties?

2021-12-14 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Hi all, I have situations in which I have events where the data curators describe events for which they have generic knowledge of the outcome: sold, completed, incomplete, this sort of thing. So there is knowledge but it is not knowledge of the particular next event but of a general kind of

Re: [Crm-sig] PLEASE VOTE: New Member.

2021-11-29 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
yes On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 12:37 PM Donatella Fiorani via Crm-sig < crm-sig@ics.forth.gr> wrote: > Yes > > Il giorno sab 27 nov 2021 alle ore 21:29 Martin Doerr via Crm-sig < > crm-sig@ics.forth.gr> ha scritto: > >> Dear All, >> >> It is a great pleasure and honor for us to announce that the

[Crm-sig] Moving Next SIG (8-11/2/2022) Back to Zoom / Online

2021-11-26 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear all, On behalf of the CRM SIG, I am sorry to announce that our intention to hold the next meeting (Feb 8-11, 2022) in person in Heraklion, Crete, hosted by the Centre for Cultural Informatics at ICS-FORTH, will not go ahead as planned. Given the present covid circumstances in Greece, Europe

[Crm-sig] CIDOC CRM Game - Digital Edition

2021-11-08 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear all, It is a pleasure to announce the release of the CIDOC CRM Game - Digital Edition to the public. The aim of this game is to support the teaching and learning of formal ontologies in general and the CIDOC CRM in particular. The CIDOC CRM Game - Digital Edition is a single player card

[Crm-sig] CRMSci O19 Property Labels Minor Correction?

2021-10-22 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear all, I am manually correcting some ontology files (horror) and changing the nomenclature from the previous names for O19 which were: has found object (was object found by) up until version 1.2.6 of the document. Then it changed, rightly (mostly), to: encountered object was object

Re: [Crm-sig] New Issue: Non-human Actors

2021-10-12 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
andard that is widely > used for biodiversity databases, haven't seen definitions of this kind > of relationships, but maybe I am missing things > or I misunderstood something > > BRs > Athina > > Στις 2021-10-12 10:02, George Bruseker via Crm-sig έγραψε: > > Hi all, &g

Re: [Crm-sig] New Issue: Non-human Actors

2021-10-12 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Hi Martin, I'm also pressed for time but above wrote out an argument. Best, George On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 10:17 AM Martin Doerr wrote: > Hi George, > > I'd prefer to let the biologists talk about that. To my best knowledge > of real cases, this is a much debated question. For the time being,

Re: [Crm-sig] New Issue: Non-human Actors

2021-10-12 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
E1 Res that is disjoint from LRM-E6 Agent. There was > talk of creating some guidelines for this at one point, but I have not > followed the issue since then. > > Pat > > Pat Riva > > Associate University Librarian, Collection Services > > Concordia University

Re: [Crm-sig] New Issue: Non-human Actors

2021-10-11 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Hi Martin, I think Rob listed in the introduction to the issue the use cases of documentation of individual action of animals. It would seem that natural scientists don't only study species but also individuals. Here's a smattering of pieces culled from casual reading in the past few weeks with

Re: [Crm-sig] New Issue: Non-human Actors

2021-10-11 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear all, In preparation for the discussion of non-human actors as related to use cases arising in Linked.Art (inter alia), Rob and I have sketched some ideas back and forth to try to find a monotonic was to add the agency of animals in the first instance into CRM (proceeding in an empirical

[Crm-sig] HW for 516

2021-10-11 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Dear all, In some SIG, I was charged with finding out how to give the citation for the examples given in E10 from the Getty Provenance Index. This is the preferred Citation style: Getty Provenance Index®, https://piprod.getty.edu/starweb/pi/servlet.starweb?path=pi/pi.web, accessed -MM-DD.

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue 554 Examples for E4 Period

2021-10-07 Thread George Bruseker via Crm-sig
Hi all, I wonder about the phrasing of the examples (rather than the substance). > > * The Capital of Russia (E4) [the capital of Russia is an administrative > unit that moved in historical times from Moscow to St Petersburg and again > back to Moscow. This examplifies and administrative unit

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