Re: [crossfire] Crossfire Client 1.72.0 is available

2017-08-19 Thread Cameron Underwood 
are you niggas still going god damn just grind on some crossfire

On Aug 19, 2017 5:11 PM, "Preston Crow" 
wrote:

> That would be a great solution.
>
>
> On 08/19/17 12:10, Kevin Zheng wrote:
>
>> On 08/19/2017 04:59, Preston Crow wrote:
>>
>>> What would be really cool is a command-line option to start a client
>>> script, especially if it could be used multiple times for multiple
>>> scripts.  (I normally launch two.)
>>>
>> Maybe like a login.rc file that gets read as soon as the character
>> enters the game?
>>
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Re: [crossfire] Crossfire Client 1.72.0 is available

2017-08-19 Thread Preston Crow 

That would be a great solution.


On 08/19/17 12:10, Kevin Zheng wrote:

On 08/19/2017 04:59, Preston Crow wrote:

What would be really cool is a command-line option to start a client
script, especially if it could be used multiple times for multiple
scripts.  (I normally launch two.)

Maybe like a login.rc file that gets read as soon as the character
enters the game?



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Re: [crossfire] Crossfire Client 1.72.0 is available

2017-08-19 Thread Kevin Zheng 
On 08/19/2017 04:59, Preston Crow wrote:
> What would be really cool is a command-line option to start a client
> script, especially if it could be used multiple times for multiple
> scripts.  (I normally launch two.)

Maybe like a login.rc file that gets read as soon as the character
enters the game?

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Re: [crossfire] Crossfire Client 1.72.0 is available

2017-08-19 Thread Preston Crow 
What would be really cool is a command-line option to start a client 
script, especially if it could be used multiple times for multiple 
scripts.  (I normally launch two.)



On 08/19/17 01:26, Kevin Zheng wrote:

On 08/18/2017 20:28, Preston Crow wrote:

The "cleanup" of command line options seems to have removed almost all
of them, including many useful ones.  There isn't even an option for
selecting the server anymore!  I really need the mapscale and iconscale
options for high DPI displays--those have also been removed from the UI
settings.

Sorry about that; I'll work on adding them back.

In the meantime, edit ~/.config/crossfire/client.ini



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Re: [crossfire] Crossfire Client 1.72.0 is available

2017-08-18 Thread Kevin Zheng 
On 08/18/2017 20:28, Preston Crow wrote:
> The "cleanup" of command line options seems to have removed almost all
> of them, including many useful ones.  There isn't even an option for
> selecting the server anymore!  I really need the mapscale and iconscale
> options for high DPI displays--those have also been removed from the UI
> settings.

Sorry about that; I'll work on adding them back.

In the meantime, edit ~/.config/crossfire/client.ini

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Re: [crossfire] Crossfire Client 1.72.0 is available

2017-08-15 Thread Tolga Dalman 

On 08/15/2017 09:45 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 09:03:44PM +1000, David Hurst wrote:

Just wanted to add my 2 cents and say that anything that makes the client
more accessible on windows is a big plus to me. Even though i'm happy to
set the game up on linux, most of my friends are not, by offering support
to windows we can gain access to a larger player base.



I don't want to beat a dead horse but I just want to say that this logic
has NEVER worked out in almost 30 years now.  It will not cause a larger
player base.  Installing Linuix, however, does.


CMake works perfectly on Linux and will help Crossfire to be more portable
on Windows. TBH, I don't understand your point at all.

btw: Good job, Kevin and many thanks!
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Re: [crossfire] Crossfire Client 1.72.0 is available

2017-08-15 Thread Ruben Safir 
On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 09:03:44PM +1000, David Hurst wrote:
> Just wanted to add my 2 cents and say that anything that makes the client
> more accessible on windows is a big plus to me. Even though i'm happy to
> set the game up on linux, most of my friends are not, by offering support
> to windows we can gain access to a larger player base.


I don't want to beat a dead horse but I just want to say that this logic
has NEVER worked out in almost 30 years now.  It will not cause a larger
player base.  Installing Linuix, however, does.


> 
> Regards,
> Saru
> 
> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 3:22 PM, BloodyShade  wrote:
> 
> > On 8/15/2017 2:00 AM, Ruben Safir wrote:
> >
> >> On 08/14/2017 05:39 PM, Kevin Zheng wrote:
> >>
> >>> . If you play,
> >>> but use a package from your OS, I don't see how this impacts you.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I compile it
> >>
> >> and I don't think there is a package.  I hate cmakes license, and I'm
> >> not found of its syntax either.
> >>
> >> I'm just generally sick of BSD junk being forced on me, and FWIW, if it
> >> never compiles on Windows, that is fine as well.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > So you'd rather make it both harder to maintain and less platform
> > independent for others just because of your ideological standpoint in
> > regards to licenses and some minor inconvenience of installing a few more
> > packages?
> >
> > Also, as Kevin said, you can keep using the old system and adapt it to
> > your own needs, nobody is forcing anything on anybody here.
> >
> > Back when I used to play, I had to change things in the source and
> > basically rewrite the msvc project completely to be able to compile it on
> > windows xp/7 at the time.
> > Kevin might even remotely remember me, since I reported many ansi c (and
> > other) issues, which I found during that time.
> >
> > In short, making the source more platform independent and easier to
> > maintain for the current maintainers sound like a good step forward to me.
> >
> > Regards,
> > BloodyShade
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Re: [crossfire] Crossfire Client 1.72.0 is available

2017-08-15 Thread Kevin Zheng 
The 1.72.0 client build for Windows is now available on SourceForge:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/crossfire/files/crossfire-client/1.72.0/

Some network issues were fixed between the latest snapshot and the
1.72.0 client, so you should upgrade when convenient.

Hash: SHA256

SHA256 (crossfire-client-1.72.0.tar.bz2) =
2e863f09be0d5480708e031afb212361f58f6827a68120ffef075b94406d73a5
SHA256 (crossfire-sounds-1.72.0.tar.bz2) =
b41fbac33cbffb6850bbe497ac4d1bcbf5e514073e288f4b00af0c10e99c1d62
SHA256 (crossfire-client-1.72.0-winx86_64.zip) =
cd3ef354d5222598e94b82cfefa0cb4fffd8557fc825ca5250f59df053743365

Precompiled pixmaps will not be provided for this release.

Regards,
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Re: [crossfire] Crossfire Client 1.72.0 is available

2017-08-15 Thread David Hurst 
Just wanted to add my 2 cents and say that anything that makes the client
more accessible on windows is a big plus to me. Even though i'm happy to
set the game up on linux, most of my friends are not, by offering support
to windows we can gain access to a larger player base.

Regards,
Saru

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 3:22 PM, BloodyShade  wrote:

> On 8/15/2017 2:00 AM, Ruben Safir wrote:
>
>> On 08/14/2017 05:39 PM, Kevin Zheng wrote:
>>
>>> . If you play,
>>> but use a package from your OS, I don't see how this impacts you.
>>>
>>
>> I compile it
>>
>> and I don't think there is a package.  I hate cmakes license, and I'm
>> not found of its syntax either.
>>
>> I'm just generally sick of BSD junk being forced on me, and FWIW, if it
>> never compiles on Windows, that is fine as well.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> So you'd rather make it both harder to maintain and less platform
> independent for others just because of your ideological standpoint in
> regards to licenses and some minor inconvenience of installing a few more
> packages?
>
> Also, as Kevin said, you can keep using the old system and adapt it to
> your own needs, nobody is forcing anything on anybody here.
>
> Back when I used to play, I had to change things in the source and
> basically rewrite the msvc project completely to be able to compile it on
> windows xp/7 at the time.
> Kevin might even remotely remember me, since I reported many ansi c (and
> other) issues, which I found during that time.
>
> In short, making the source more platform independent and easier to
> maintain for the current maintainers sound like a good step forward to me.
>
> Regards,
> BloodyShade
>
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Re: [crossfire] Crossfire Client 1.72.0 is available

2017-08-14 Thread BloodyShade 

On 8/15/2017 2:00 AM, Ruben Safir wrote:

On 08/14/2017 05:39 PM, Kevin Zheng wrote:

. If you play,
but use a package from your OS, I don't see how this impacts you.


I compile it

and I don't think there is a package.  I hate cmakes license, and I'm
not found of its syntax either.

I'm just generally sick of BSD junk being forced on me, and FWIW, if it
never compiles on Windows, that is fine as well.





So you'd rather make it both harder to maintain and less platform 
independent for others just because of your ideological standpoint in 
regards to licenses and some minor inconvenience of installing a few 
more packages?


Also, as Kevin said, you can keep using the old system and adapt it to 
your own needs, nobody is forcing anything on anybody here.


Back when I used to play, I had to change things in the source and 
basically rewrite the msvc project completely to be able to compile it 
on windows xp/7 at the time.
Kevin might even remotely remember me, since I reported many ansi c (and 
other) issues, which I found during that time.


In short, making the source more platform independent and easier to 
maintain for the current maintainers sound like a good step forward to me.


Regards,
BloodyShade
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Re: [crossfire] Crossfire Client 1.72.0 is available

2017-08-14 Thread Ruben Safir 
On 08/14/2017 06:09 PM, Matthew Giassa wrote:
> If you have strong opinions you should have voiced them in May 2014 when
> CMake supported landed.


It was clandestiningly been used before that, FWIW, and the autoconf
config had been broken for quite a while.  It so happened that in 2014 I
was a little busy working on my artificial intelligence project and
helping out with my grandchildren in Israel so I guess I missed the
memo.  Clearly it didn't land at that time.

At one time it would only compile with imake.  Its been a long time
since ./config make make install worked cleanly.

In the end, it only matters what the person doing the coding wants, but
I would just point out that the autoconf has been dysfunctional for a
long time and code base has been moved about different config systems a
number of times and yes it does matter to me what license the build
system is under.  I would prefer strongly that the whole thing was
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Re: [crossfire] Crossfire Client 1.72.0 is available

2017-08-14 Thread Ruben Safir 
On 08/14/2017 05:39 PM, Kevin Zheng wrote:
> . If you play,
> but use a package from your OS, I don't see how this impacts you.


I compile it

and I don't think there is a package.  I hate cmakes license, and I'm
not found of its syntax either.

I'm just generally sick of BSD junk being forced on me, and FWIW, if it
never compiles on Windows, that is fine as well.



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Re: [crossfire] Crossfire Client 1.72.0 is available

2017-08-14 Thread Matthew Giassa 

Nope, no strong opinions. Just curious. 

  Original Message  
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On 08/14/2017 08:16, Matthew Giassa wrote:
> ‎Seconded. Why overhaul the build tool chain in use? What gain is there?

The original reasons were better support for parallel builds, out of
source builds, and Windows builds. Yes, Autotools technically supports
all of these features. But the CMake build files are a lot shorter than
the Autotools ones.

At one point we had both build systems co-existing, but Autotools
started lagging and breaking. Since nobody was willing to maintain it it
got axed. We're happy to resurrect it if you step up as maintainer.

If you have strong opinions you should have voiced them in May 2014 when
CMake supported landed.

If you don't even play I don't see how this impacts you. If you play,
but use a package from your OS, I don't see how this impacts you. If you
really want to use autotools you can keep using an older version of the
client, so I don't see how this impacts you.

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Re: [crossfire] Crossfire Client 1.72.0 is available

2017-08-14 Thread Kevin Zheng 
On 08/14/2017 08:16, Matthew Giassa wrote:
> ‎Seconded. Why overhaul the build tool chain in use? What gain is there?

The original reasons were better support for parallel builds, out of
source builds, and Windows builds. Yes, Autotools technically supports
all of these features. But the CMake build files are a lot shorter than
the Autotools ones.

At one point we had both build systems co-existing, but Autotools
started lagging and breaking. Since nobody was willing to maintain it it
got axed. We're happy to resurrect it if you step up as maintainer.

If you have strong opinions you should have voiced them in May 2014 when
CMake supported landed.

If you don't even play I don't see how this impacts you. If you play,
but use a package from your OS, I don't see how this impacts you. If you
really want to use autotools you can keep using an older version of the
client, so I don't see how this impacts you.

Cheers,
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Re: [crossfire] Crossfire Client 1.72.0 is available

2017-08-14 Thread Matthew Giassa 
‎Seconded. Why overhaul the build tool chain in use? What gain is there?



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> - Replace autoconf/automake build system with CMake

why?


Why do I need to add an entire new compiler set up. This has been
tossed back and forth previously as well causing a creep of compile
problems.

autoconf is free software and it works. 
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Re: [crossfire] Crossfire Client 1.72.0 is available

2017-08-14 Thread Preston Crow 
If it also checks in ~/.crossfire/ so that old configs are picked up, it 
shouldn't be a problem.  If it finds something in the old location, it 
should use that, but if it has to create a directory, I don't mind if it 
puts it under ~/.config/crossfire/.



On 08/14/17 11:03, Ruben Safir wrote:

the new location. For Unix-like systems, the new location is
*~/.config/crossfire*.


This is a drag and moving my keys around is why I stopped playing the
last time.

Things should have remained under ./.crossfire







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Re: [crossfire] Crossfire Client 1.72.0 is available

2017-08-14 Thread Ruben Safir 
> the new location. For Unix-like systems, the new location is
> *~/.config/crossfire*.


This is a drag and moving my keys around is why I stopped playing the
last time.

Things should have remained under ./.crossfire





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