[css-d] Still stuck, need any help.

2007-09-11 Thread WEZ!
Heya all again, I managed to get three fluid blocks to align horizontally with even gaps by wrapping an external div around each to remove the effects of the added borders on the blocks sizes which was causing the problems previously. The second group I still can't achieve the same. This is

[css-d] Font-size checker

2007-09-11 Thread Kristina Floyd
Good morning CSS-d list Do you know of a font-size checker. I don't fully trust firebug's layout measurement when it comes to font-sizes, as I think it gives a value for the entire area that the font covers rather than the equivalent value in pixels. Or am I wrong and I should trust firebug? I

Re: [css-d] Font-size checker

2007-09-11 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
Do you know of a font-size checker. I don't fully trust firebug's layout measurement when it comes to font-sizes, as I think it gives a value for the entire area that the font covers rather than the equivalent value in pixels. Or am I wrong and I should trust firebug? Not sure what you

Re: [css-d] Font-size checker

2007-09-11 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007, Kristina Floyd wrote: Do you know of a font-size checker. Please explain what you mean by font-size checker. Do you mean software that shows you the actual font size used in some piece of a web page? Using Firefox extensions like the Web Developer Extension or Firebug is

Re: [css-d] Can't beat a table for this navbar?

2007-09-11 Thread Francois Jordaan
Hi Georg, Thanks very much for the (off-list) reply. It didn't get as much discussion as I'd hoped, but about as much as I deserve, as I've been a very disengaged lurker the last couple of years. http://www.fjordaan.net/tests/nav-test.html When you want to replicate an HTML table with CSS,

Re: [css-d] Font-size checker

2007-09-11 Thread Kristina Floyd
Hi Nick Firstly I'd just like to reassure you that I hate the requirement of pixel perfection and understand it is not possible, We should be educating our clients and designers that embracing the web for its fluidity is what we should be aiming for, and not railing against it. I am an advocate

Re: [css-d] Font-size checker

2007-09-11 Thread Kristina Floyd
Hi Jukka Please explain what you mean by font-size checker. Do you mean software that shows you the actual font size used in some piece of a web page? Using Firefox extensions like the Web Developer Extension or Firebug is probably the most common approach. For example in firebug, I can

Re: [css-d] Font-size checker

2007-09-11 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
Then the client will compare the design they've seen mocked up in Photoshop with the online version, and something that I get back as a bug, time and time again is that the font-sizes don't match. (we're talking out by 1 or 2 pixels here, not massive differences) They're testing

Re: [css-d] Font-size checker

2007-09-11 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007, Kristina Floyd wrote: For example in firebug, I can trace the font-size back to the original value that it was set at in the body tag. What I'd like is to be able to select some text and to be given the equivalent value in pixels or pts, as I'm unsure that the value

Re: [css-d] Font-size checker

2007-09-11 Thread Kristina Floyd
On 11/09/2007, Nick Fitzsimons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They're testing their font-sizes by taking a screen shot and then using a tool such as photoshop to measure and compare the pixel value. Your clients really need to get out more :-) Hehe, yes couldn't agree more! When it's their

Re: [css-d] Font-size checker

2007-09-11 Thread Kristina Floyd
On 11/09/2007, Jukka K. Korpela [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 11 Sep 2007, Kristina Floyd wrote: For example in firebug, I can trace the font-size back to the original value that it was set at in the body tag. What I'd like is to be able to select some text and to be given the equivalent

Re: [css-d] Font-size checker

2007-09-11 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007, Kristina Floyd wrote: Do you mean the way Nick just described using the 'show computed style' feature of Firebug? Yes. I keep forgetting how Firebug works and how you can find that particular feature, and other features; that's what I meant by confusing. (I tried looking

Re: [css-d] Font-size checker

2007-09-11 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
(I tried looking at the DOM pane, where it lists the properties of an element in the DOM tree, including the style property, with CSS properties under it - but with empty values, for some odd reason.) That property reflects the style attribute of the element; so it only contains any

Re: [css-d] Still stuck, need any help.

2007-09-11 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
WEZ! wrote: http://www.newearthpermaculture.com.au/bm/BusMentorMenu23.htm I'm sure there is a way to achieve this outcome but with a variety of layout trials I still cant' crack it. Normally one can achieve what you're after by using one of the old 3-columns solution. Two basic

[css-d] liquid 3col - header questions

2007-09-11 Thread Ray Leventhal
Hi all, I'm developing a site based on the 'holy grail' 3col liquid layout [1]. Site: http://devel.legionpost130.org/ sub-page url: http://devel.legionpost130.org/index.php?history (for long content) CSS: http://devel.legionpost130.org/styles/legionpost130.css I've added a min-height and

Re: [css-d] liquid 3col - header questions

2007-09-11 Thread Ian Young
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ray Leventhal Sent: 11 September 2007 15:02 To: css-d Subject: [css-d] liquid 3col - header questions Hi all, I'm developing a site based on the 'holy grail' 3col liquid layout [1]. Site: http://devel.legionpost130.org/

Re: [css-d] liquid 3col - header questions

2007-09-11 Thread Ray Leventhal
snip Because you have used min-height and min-width, the log doesn't appear in IE6 at all. (IE6 doesn't recognise min-width or min-height). In fact the whole site looks, well, odd. In the header div there is an extraeneous */ at line 131 which may be affecting things thereafter. Ian IY

Re: [css-d] liquid 3col - header questions

2007-09-11 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Ray Leventhal wrote: I'm developing a site based on the 'holy grail' 3col liquid layout [1]. http://devel.legionpost130.org/ I don't often speak up against a solution, but I'd advice you to stay as far away from the mentioned 'holy grail' as you possibly can. It is one of the least tested,

[css-d] Vertical alignment of title and nav menu

2007-09-11 Thread Jan Erik Moström
I would like to create a page that have the title and nav menu aligned at the top, something like this X N X X I have this code body div

Re: [css-d] liquid 3col - header questions

2007-09-11 Thread Ray Leventhal
I don't often speak up against a solution, but I'd advice you to stay as far away from the mentioned 'holy grail' as you possibly can. It is one of the least tested, prepared and cross-browser reliable solutions released onto the web in later years. It provokes too many bugs and

Re: [css-d] problem in ie, peekaboo problem ?

2007-09-11 Thread Bob Meetin - www.dottedi.biz
I did not get back into working the peekaboo problem, hopefully in the next day or so. However, I ran into a similar gap problem with mootools/accordion. I had to add a padding into my #vnav .accordion style something like: #vnav .accordion { padding: .1em 0em; /* OR */ padding: 1px 0px; }

Re: [css-d] problem in ie, peekaboo problem ?

2007-09-11 Thread Alan Gresley
WenChen wrote: Hi The following page use prototype accordion effect, it look fine in ff, but in ie it shows big space between each accordion header http://newped2.auckland.ac.nz/coursebuilder/11/publish/1/3.html Is it a peekaboo problem? Any help you could offer would be really

Re: [css-d] Vertical alignment of title and nav menu

2007-09-11 Thread David Laakso
Jan Erik Moström wrote: I would like to create a page that have the title and nav menu aligned at the top, something like this X N X X

[css-d] * in css

2007-09-11 Thread Julian Tulip's Licorice
Hello, I am wondering if anyone knows what the asterisks in the following CSS do: #mainNav, #secondaryContent { padding-top: 20px; padding-bottom: 20px; } #mainNav *, #secondaryContent * { padding-left: 20px; padding-right: 20px; } #mainNav * *, #secondaryContent * * { padding-left: 0;

[css-d] div not pushing over

2007-09-11 Thread Phil Turner
Please can someone tell me why the right hand div is overlapping the main text area http://www.philturner-uk.com/trish/ Many Thanks Phil T __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d

Re: [css-d] Peekaboo perhaps - resolved

2007-09-11 Thread Bob Meetin - www.dottedi.biz
Mark Henderson wrote: Well, since you have an *idea* of the problem at hand, and the symptoms would certainly indicate you are correct, try the standard peekaboo fixes: http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/peekaboo.html Give hasLayout to the content div that contains the floats and

Re: [css-d] * in css

2007-09-11 Thread john saylor
hi On 9/11/07, Julian Tulip's Licorice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am wondering if anyone knows what the asterisks in the following CSS do: yes. I would love some insight the answer was on the first page i found when i searched for css asterisk. you can probably do this search yourself. my

Re: [css-d] basic explanations of css layout

2007-09-11 Thread David Laakso
Raumin Ray Dehghan wrote: Colleagues, does anybody have any recommendations of books and/or websites that explain css layout in very simple, straightforward language? For example, i'm trying to understand why pixels seem to be easier to work with than percentages, etc. Thanks very much.

Re: [css-d] * in css

2007-09-11 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
On 9/11/07, Julian Tulip's Licorice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my guess is that the double asterisk is a typo or misunderstanding of css selectors. On the contrary, they are a very clever technique devised by one of the world's leading CSS experts (who also happens to be admin of this list - hi

Re: [css-d] * in css

2007-09-11 Thread Peter
john saylor wrote: hi On 9/11/07, Julian Tulip's Licorice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am wondering if anyone knows what the asterisks in the following CSS do: yes. I would love some insight the answer was on the first page i found when i searched for css asterisk. you

Re: [css-d] * in css

2007-09-11 Thread Barney Carroll
john saylor wrote: my guess is that the double asterisk is a typo or misunderstanding of css selectors. It's a pretty neat trick actually. #secondaryContent * Means /everything/ that is inside secondaryContent would get 20px padding. #secondaryContent * * Means that those objects inside

Re: [css-d] Vertical alignment of title and nav menu

2007-09-11 Thread Jan Erik Moström
David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07-09-11 12:19 Jan Erik Moström wrote: I would like to create a page that have the title and nav menu aligned at the top, something like this X N X

Re: [css-d] * in css

2007-09-11 Thread James Leslie
I am wondering if anyone knows what the asterisks in the following CSS do: #mainNav, #secondaryContent { padding-top: 20px; padding-bottom: 20px; } #mainNav *, #secondaryContent * { padding-left: 20px; padding-right: 20px; } #mainNav * *, #secondaryContent * * { padding-left: 0;

Re: [css-d] * in css

2007-09-11 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Julian Tulip's Licorice wrote: I am wondering if anyone knows what the asterisks in the following CSS do: The asterisk is a universal selector - targeting any element. #mainNav, #secondaryContent { padding-top: 20px; padding-bottom: 20px; } Targeting #mainNav and #secondaryContent.

Re: [css-d] * in css

2007-09-11 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
On 9/11/07, Julian Tulip's Licorice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my guess is that the double asterisk is a typo or misunderstanding of css selectors. On the contrary, they are a very clever technique devised by one of the world's leading CSS experts (who also happens to be admin of this list - hi

Re: [css-d] * in css

2007-09-11 Thread Alex Robinson
* is the unversal selector. That means it matches all elements. And that means all elements (including html, head, body etc) #foo * selects any element which is a descendant of #foo. my guess is that the double asterisk is a typo or misunderstanding of css selectors. No. It's a common

Re: [css-d] Vertical alignment of title and nav menu

2007-09-11 Thread David Laakso
Jan Erik Moström wrote: David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07-09-11 12:19 Jan Erik Moström wrote: I would like to create a page that have the title and nav menu aligned at the top, something like this X N

Re: [css-d] * in css

2007-09-11 Thread christianz
I am wondering if anyone knows what the asterisks in the following CSS do: #mainNav, #secondaryContent { padding-top: 20px; padding-bottom: 20px; } #mainNav *, #secondaryContent * { padding-left: 20px; padding-right: 20px; } #mainNav * *, #secondaryContent * * { padding-left: 0;

[css-d] Bookmarking

2007-09-11 Thread Laurie Davis-Covin
For past couple years I have not spent a great deal of time working on web sites and have lost touch with css/xhtml. Am now working on a new site and I cannot seem to find new information on bookmarking. Initially, the style was a name= id=subject/a HTML Tidy doesn't seem to condone that.

Re: [css-d] [Web4lib] basic explanations of css layout

2007-09-11 Thread Deb Bergeron
Jason, I've used CSS The Missing Manual and CSS Mastery Advanced Wed Standards Solutions. CSS Mastery.. covers your topic more completely than the Missing Manual Both discuss the impact on IE 5.x and lower browsers. Good Luck! Deb Raumin Ray Dehghan wrote: Colleagues, does anybody

[css-d] Inspiration for graphic designers

2007-09-11 Thread Andreas R. Johnsen
With the newest browsers at hand and several established best practices for CSS and Javascript, the graphic designers now have more visual possibilities then a few years ago. I’m trying to make an overview of these possibilities. With the release of IE7, utilizing PNGs with transparency is

Re: [css-d] Inspiration for graphic designers

2007-09-11 Thread Schuyler Towne
Andreas R. Johnsen wrote: I’m trying to make an overview of these possibilities. With the release of IE7, utilizing PNGs with transparency is one of the most obvious. What other new visual possibilities deserve praise? APNG in FF3 and IE7's font rendering. As I understand it, FF3 will

Re: [css-d] Bookmarking

2007-09-11 Thread Dan Dorman
On 9/11/07, Laurie Davis-Covin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am now working on a new site and I cannot seem to find new information on bookmarking. I'm assuming you're talking about linking to subsections within a page using anchor tags (a). Initially, the style was a name= id=subject/a HTML

[css-d] Type in px then ems

2007-09-11 Thread Rick Lecoat
This seems so basic that I can't believe I actually need to ask it… and if my copy of IE(Win) wasn't playing up I could run a test myself. But it is, and I can't, so here goes: We know that text specified in px is a Bad Idea. What I want to know is: does the inability to resize px-sizedtext fonts

Re: [css-d] Type in px then ems

2007-09-11 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007, Rick Lecoat wrote: We know that text specified in px is a Bad Idea. What I want to know is: does the inability to resize px-sizedtext fonts in IE Win get inherited if the child text is specced in something else (ems, say)? Basically, yes. It has nothing to do with

Re: [css-d] Type in px then ems

2007-09-11 Thread David Laakso
Rick Lecoat wrote: We know that text specified in px is a Bad Idea. What I want to know is: does the inability to resize px-sizedtext fonts in IE Win get inherited if the child text is specced in something else (ems, say)? Eg: body {font-size: 14px} h1 {1.8 em} Would the h1 still be

Re: [css-d] Type in px then ems

2007-09-11 Thread Rick Lecoat
On 11/9/07 (22:12) David said: If you know it is a bad idea, why would you do it? Oh, same reason those scientists in old films like to get a brain- damaged ape and a blonde from Central Casting and plug them both into a pair of electric switching helmets. Theoretical knowledge for its own

Re: [css-d] problem in ie, peekaboo problem ?

2007-09-11 Thread WenChen
On Tue, 2007-09-11 at 08:46 -0700, Alan Gresley wrote: #navcontainer { background-color: #FF; width: 169px; float: left; margin-top: 10px; } Is the problem fixed if negative margins are added as such below. #navcontainer {

Re: [css-d] Peekaboo perhaps - resolved

2007-09-11 Thread Mark Henderson
From: Bob Meetin - www.dottedi.biz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2007 4:53 a.m. To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Subject: Re: [css-d] Peekaboo perhaps - resolved Honestly though, I tried reading the peekaboo manuscript and got to the resolution, but seriously for

Re: [css-d] Type in px then ems

2007-09-11 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Rick Lecoat wrote: I was just curious about whether pixels might become resizable if re- specced in a different unit deeper into object hierarchy, ie. if the em unit would override the px unit. You will make IE/win start resizing normally again if you use relative-size keywords on

Re: [css-d] Type in px then ems

2007-09-11 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007, Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: You will make IE/win start resizing normally again if you use relative-size keywords on elements/wrappers _after_ an absolute font-size value on body (or wherever the font-size further in is calculated from). Pardon? Can you please provide a demo

[css-d] Selectors for repeating patterns?

2007-09-11 Thread Jeff Jansen
Is it possible to use CSS selectors to define repeating patterns of styles down a page? For example, here's what I want to do (simplified): The markup would look like this: div id=repeat pThis is red./p pThis is green./p pThis is blue/p pThis is RED./p pThis is GREEN./p pThis

[css-d] IE background images set for tr's overridden by child td backgrounds

2007-09-11 Thread Michael Wong
Here's a sample file of what I'm trying to do. http://www.serpentvenom.com/results.htm If you look at it on FF, it looks great. IE is another matter. The problem is that the background image of the td is overriding the background image set for the tr. If I remove the background property rule

Re: [css-d] Selectors for repeating patterns?

2007-09-11 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
* Jeff Jansen wrote: Is it possible to use CSS selectors to define repeating patterns of styles down a page? For example, here's what I want to do (simplified): http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-selectors/#nth-child-pseudo can do that, but it hasn't been widely implemented yet; you can emulate the effect

Re: [css-d] Selectors for repeating patterns?

2007-09-11 Thread E Michael Brandt
That's a job for some unobtrusive javascripting to set alternating classes for you on page load. -- E. Michael Brandt www.divaHTML.com divaPOP : standards-compliant popup windows divaGPS : you-are-here menu highlighting divaFAQ : FAQ pages with pizazz www.valleywebdesigns.com JustSo

Re: [css-d] Type in px then ems

2007-09-11 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Jukka K. Korpela wrote: On Wed, 12 Sep 2007, Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: You will make IE/win start resizing normally again if you use relative-size keywords on elements/wrappers _after_ an absolute font-size value on body (or wherever the font-size further in is calculated from). Pardon?

Re: [css-d] Type in px then ems

2007-09-11 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On Sep 12, 2007, at 10:50 AM, Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: You will make IE/win start resizing normally again if you use relative-size keywords on elements/wrappers _after_ an absolute font-size value on body (or wherever the font-size further in is calculated from). Pardon? Can you please

[css-d] Using width: auto; to fit parent element.

2007-09-11 Thread sandy
Hi everyone. I am trying to achieve an expanding caption box that will go under an image, and will be the size of that image based on their parent div which would be based on the size of the image. so i wrote this html which puts both image and caption inside a div which is the parent. div

Re: [css-d] Using width: auto; to fit parent element.

2007-09-11 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On Sep 12, 2007, at 9:11 AM, sandy wrote: Hi everyone. I am trying to achieve an expanding caption box that will go under an image, and will be the size of that image based on their parent div which would be based on the size of the image. [...] div id=image_and_caption img

Re: [css-d] Type in px then ems

2007-09-11 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/moa_20a.html Works as advertised with IE 7. Surprise. I don't know whether to write it off as a bug or as a browser-specific feature. It is definitely an unexpected effect, as Jukka mentioned. Naughty Georg. :-) ( meow! ) I wouldn't

Re: [css-d] Site Check Please

2007-09-11 Thread David Laakso
Omitade Adediran wrote: I have been reading and reading until my brain just feels like mush...[trimmed] http://www.orisadevotees.org/market.html Omitade Omitade, I know the feeling. This stuff can be terribly frustrating at times... I think that it might be a good idea to just get a