[CTRL] Intel/Hadron/PROMIS

2000-08-04 Thread nessie
[Hadron was Earl Brian's company, part of the PROMIS scheme, remember?] http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/3/12374.html Intel files suit against Hadron By: Mike Magee Posted: 04/08/2000 at 10:25 GMT The Intel Corporation has filed a trademark case against Hadron Inc, a firm which provides

Re: [CTRL] Mad cow disease can't be ruled out in U.S., Canada,EU says

2000-08-03 Thread nessie
The reference is http://www.independent.ie/2000/215/d06a.shtml Oh, really? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please!

[CTRL] Big Browser

2000-08-03 Thread nessie
http://www.computerworld.com/cwi/story/0,1199,NAV47_STO47928,00.html Microsoft in hot pursuit of software pirates By ANNA SCOTT, IDG NEWS SERVICE (August 02, 2000) In the past eight weeks, Microsoft Corp. has ordered 7,500 Web sites and Internet auctions to stop selling counterfeit Microsoft

Re: [CTRL] Catholic church settles with alleged molestation victim

2000-08-03 Thread nessie
The Franciscan Friars of California has agreed to pay $1.7 million That's the least of their problems. Check this out: http://www.vaticanbankclaims.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list.

[CTRL] Freedom of assembly

2000-08-03 Thread nessie
From Znet Thursday, August 2 - Report from Philadelphia By Leslie Cagan Well, actually, I'm no longer in Philadelphia. Even though I left

Re: [CTRL] DEAD MAN RADIOACTIVE

2000-08-02 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: if the radioactivity was confined to the interior of the dead man's body then no alarms would have sounded... That's absurd. If radiation didn't penetrate flesh, then it wouldn't be a problem, now would it? Speaking of radiometers, check out:

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Things Are Not What They Appear

2000-08-01 Thread nessie
For me, people who are for drug legalization are CIA. This is patently absurd. Legalization will take the profits out of CIA hands. That's why they oppose it. Furthermore, there is a fundamental issue involved here. Precisely. The fundamental issue is who owns your body, you or the

Re: [CTRL] Fw: FBI Anti Terrorist arrests of activists: charges dismissed

2000-08-01 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: According to the police report, they were tipped off by employees of the plumbing supply store (where the articles in question had been purchased). This sounds more like something that would happen in Soviet Russia or in Orwell's Airstrip One, than

Re: [CTRL] UNDERNEWS Aug 1, 2000

2000-08-01 Thread nessie
According to one curious citizen, the word has "gravitas" appeared 210 times in Lexis-Nexis in the past week. 189 (90%) of the mentions also contain "cheney or elect* or vice pres*" within the article. Newspeak A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ==

[CTRL] Antiwar.com Hacked

2000-07-31 Thread nessie
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:38:38 -0500 From: "Antiwar.com" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Antiwar-Daily: Antiwar.com Hacked Dear Friends, I regret to inform you that last night (Saturday night) someone unknown hacked into the main server for Antiwar.com and wiped out all files. The good

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Oliver Stone to make movie about Smedley Butler

2000-07-30 Thread nessie
He is basing it partly on William Corson and Joseph Trento's book, "The Last President," due out in 2002. A better source is: The Plot To Steal The White House by Jules Archer. The cover up is discussed in: Facts and Fascism by George Seldes. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A

[CTRL] New Greenhouse Gas Identified

2000-07-28 Thread nessie
http://www.nytimes.com/library/national/science/072800sci-environ-climate.html Note especially paragraphs 6 and 7. As I recall, the author of the article wrote The Burning Season, about the assassination of Brasilian eco-activist Chico Mendes. July 28, 2000 New Greenhouse Gas Identified,

Re: [CTRL] War on Drugs ?

2000-07-26 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: if people want to see an end to the problems drugs are presenting within their communities they need to stop listening to the opinions relayed to them by the media and go out explore the issues for themselves. Dear stuck up, meddling Brit, Your essay is

Re: [CTRL] Is Cryptome under attack?

2000-07-25 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: I was able to get through last night to Cryptome and download a few docs. They must be busy. I finally got through. Yeah, they ARE busy. It's probably just public curiosity and not a denial of service attack. One hopes. A

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: 80 arrested at biotech protest

2000-07-25 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: FBI tests revealed the presence of cyanide, which is lethal when inhaled or digested. This sounds like the act of a provacateur.. It's WAY out of character for the protesters. It would justify drastic and draconian measures by the feds. Qui bono? A

[CTRL] Is Cryptome under attack?

2000-07-24 Thread nessie
The CIA briefing, containing some sensitive information about budget trends and so-called "hard" intelligence target countries, appeared a week ago on Cryptome, an Internet site (http://jya.com/crypto.htm) maintained by John Young. Interesting that his site(s) cannot be connected to

Re: [CTRL] OS: Not all fascists sport military uniforms

2000-07-21 Thread nessie
Just to keep it simple, a capitalist believes that the means of production should be privately owned; a socialist believes that the means of production should be owned by the government; and a fascist believes that the means of production should be controlled by the government. Anarchists

Re: [CTRL] Press Tried to Cover Up Hill's 'Jew Bastard' Slur

2000-07-20 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: There is, in fact, plenty of evidence. You're just looking for it in all the wrong places. Like in the lamestream media. Where? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange

Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: $100 BILLION for Israel, Arab phony peace]

2000-07-20 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: I see corps and govt as the same thing. Two arms of the same octopus. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed.

Re: [CTRL] Freedom, Feminism, and the State

2000-07-19 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: 4. No economic system has done more for the advancement of women than the unregulated free market. It is only capitalist societies that have freed women from the drudgery and degradation of their traditional status. Nothing opened more economic opportunity for

Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: $100 BILLION for Israel, Arab phony peace]

2000-07-19 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: if bribes were made illegal . . . the bribes would soon stop. Sure. Just like drugs did when they were made illegal. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list.

Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: $100 BILLION for Israel, Arab phony peace]

2000-07-17 Thread nessie
In California MILLIONS of the public school aged children of U.S. taxpayers literally attend school in flimsy mobile homes because their school districts lack the money to build REAL BUILDINGS while their teachers are vastly underpaid. Why should we provide education for illegal aliens?

Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: $100 BILLION for Israel, Arab phony peace]

2000-07-17 Thread nessie
Well, there's a big difference between a sub and a regular, certified, teacher. But I see your point. Maybe the problem is that there is a great shortage of teachers because the job doesn't pay all that well, vis a vis what it takes to accomplish. Anybody with the education and the cognitive

Re: [CTRL] Unpatriotic on *Patriot*

2000-07-17 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: how many lives has that sickening Julia Roberts destroyed? OK, I'll bite. How many? And what makes her "sickening"? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list.

Re: [CTRL] Drug war economics

2000-07-16 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Some of the anti-smoking ads are more along this line, telling kids to not be pressured and to use their own judgement. Drugs should be no different. Tobacco IS a drug. It's just a legal drug, that's all. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A

[CTRL] Fwd: Ireland, The Orange Order: an enemy of ALL workers

2000-07-16 Thread nessie
A - I N F O S N E W S S E R V I C E http://www.ainfos.ca/ * From Ainriail - the Irish Anarchist bulletin list

Re: [CTRL] Templars

2000-07-14 Thread nessie
I need info about Knight Templars. Why? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and

Re: [CTRL] Life during wartime

2000-07-13 Thread nessie
If you read this at the original site, you will find embedded live links to some interesting stuff, including some RealAudio files of the symposium itself. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list.

Re: [CTRL] Fuel Cans Found At Davidian Compound!

2000-07-12 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: This was just a preview of the police state we're fast becoming. Becoming!?! A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed.

Re: [CTRL] [EWAR] Cyber-Attack Tool Appears In Windows-run Systems (fwd)

2000-07-12 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: "Denial of service" attacks depend on "packets" or "daemons" being implanted into "victim" computer systems, turning them into "zombies." " P ackets" or "daemons" ? What is he talking about? I always thought packets were one thing and daemons are another.

[CTRL] Fwd: [AFIB] evil:austria 0700

2000-07-11 Thread nessie
This is what we have to look forward to if we don't set aside our differences and unite to crush the fascists in our own countries, quickly, before they grow any stronger. -- nessie ___ ANTIFA INFO-BULLETIN News * Analysis * Research * Action

Re: [CTRL] Not Rome

2000-07-08 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: What is ironic is that it was these same people who roundly criticized America's "imperialistic policies" back in the days of the Vietnam Left wing, right wing, same bird. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is

Re: [CTRL] Columbine 911 tapes released to the public

2000-07-07 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: ''Just hang in there, we are getting somebody to em. We've got people there we just don't wanna compromise anybody's safety by doing anything hasty so ... you know ... or the shooters might start doing something rash.'' This puts me in mind of John J.

Re: [CTRL] Education/Montessori

2000-07-07 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: I definitely wouldn't call it "child-led"... She's probably thinking of Summerhill. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are

[CTRL] Spying on Demonstration Planners/Repub. Convention

2000-07-07 Thread nessie
The following article appeared in the Philadelphia Inquirer, July 6, 2000. PHILA. POLITICAL ACTIVISTS UNDER A MYSTERIOUS GAZE MEN WITH CAMERAS HAVE BEEN SEEN KEEPING TABS ON PROTEST MEETINGS. NO ONE IS CLAIMING RESPONSIBILITY. By Thomas Ginsberg One man held a cigarette. The other held a

Re: [CTRL] FW: JFK JR.'S FINAL FLIGHT--BLASTED OUT OF THE SKY

2000-07-07 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: they never reported the bullet through Brown's head There was no bullet through Brown's head. There was a.45 caliber hole in the top of his skull, but no exit hole was found. Neither was a slug found. This is not physically possible to achieve with a .45

Re: [CTRL] Poll: Was there a government cover-up at Waco?

2000-07-07 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: The above results are SAD, to put it mildly. SICKENING is more like it. But are they true, or are they merely more disinformation? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange

Re: [CTRL] FW: JFK JR.'S FINAL FLIGHT--BLASTED OUT OF THE SKY

2000-07-07 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Perhaps a dry ice bullet? Hmn. I hadn't thought of that. Very clever. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed.

[CTRL] FBI-Peltier National Debate?

2000-07-06 Thread nessie
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: JULY 5, 2000 Contact:The Leonard Peltier Defense Committee 785-842-5774 Leonard Peltier Defense Committee Challenges FBI Director Louis Freeh to National Debate Native Americans Call For Truth and Reconciliation FBI Responds With Heightened Attacks The Leonard Peltier

[CTRL] US Army spies on civilians

2000-07-06 Thread nessie
It seems that since the 16 April 2000 protest in Wash DC, the Army has gotten involved in the on-line surveillance of anti-globalization groups, some of whom are being called "terrorists." To read more, visit http://www.notbored.org/army.html A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A

[CTRL] Col. James Hiett

2000-07-06 Thread nessie
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2000/07/05/hiett/print.html The corruption of Col. James Hiett When the commander of U.S. anti-drug efforts in Colombia got involved in drug running, Congress should have rethought its massive military aid bill -- but it didn't. - - - - - - - - - - - - By

Re: [CTRL] Facts and Stat --- David S - adios

2000-07-05 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Thanks for the kudos, and let me offer you condolence in the loss of your friend... Ditto. I wish I could say things were getting better, but they're not. Between toxins, malnutrition and untreated diseases, a whole lot more people are going to die

[CTRL] Fwd: Fascists at Portadown Ireland

2000-07-05 Thread nessie
A - I N F O S N E W S S E R V I C E http://www.ainfos.ca/ AFA Ireland press release - 4th July 2000 FASCISTS RALLY TO PORTADOWN The increasing participation of fascist

Re: [CTRL] T.Townsend Brown

2000-07-05 Thread nessie
In case you missed it when it came out, do check out: http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/15.html Among other things, it contains a link to an .avi file of the Biefeld-Brown effect allegedly in action. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a

Re: [CTRL] Born again - Why so many has-been porn stars turn to right-wing Christ

2000-07-05 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Mistress Marisha's video pick of the week is Lina Wertmuller's Love and Anarchy (1973) This is a truly great film. I recommend it highly. If you'd like to read about some real life politically involved sex workers, read: http://www.sfbg.com/nessie

Re: [CTRL] Facts and Statistics About Fags

2000-07-04 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: hence, any joking reference Nessie may have made about clocking you is a reference to punching out a being who is nothing but electronic bits and bytes... Oh no, I'm quite serious. When somebody insults my personal friends to my face, they're

Re: [CTRL] Facts and Statistics About Fags

2000-07-03 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: "David" CLAIMS to live in Australia, but I doubt it...just like I doubt that "David" even exists as a separate entity... For all I know for certain, you're ALL 'bots and this list is some sort of interactive fiction run by an AI. A

Re: [CTRL] Facts and Statistics About Fags

2000-07-01 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: To compare queers as just like the rest of normal society is Mt Everestian absurdity. Queers are a part of normal society, EVERY normal society. Queers are everywhere, in every society. You undoubtedly know some personally, everybody does. They just haven't

Re: [CTRL] Facts and Statistics About Fags

2000-07-01 Thread nessie
Why are you trying to rebut this guy's statistics as if they were valid? Not only has he failed to substantiate them, but it is a well known fact on the internet that 73.86% of ALL statistics are actually made up on the spot. 8^ ) A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION

Re: [CTRL] My Anarchism Problem by Bob Black

2000-06-30 Thread nessie
In 1985 I was so disgusted with the lot of them that I broke off all ties. I was there. That's not what happened. He behaved in a wholly intolerable manner to a number of people, mostly women, Caitlin in particular, and so he was ostracized by the anarchist community. He doesn't have

Re: [CTRL] Facts and Statistics About Fags

2000-06-30 Thread nessie
(1.) Those stats are bogus. (2.) It's none of your business what other people do in bed. (3.) Anybody who is seriously into heterosexuality, and has half the sense of a box of rocks, will actively promote homosexuality because it cuts down the competition. A

Re: [CTRL] Facts and Statistics About Fags

2000-06-30 Thread nessie
eagle@OK PLUS.COM,Internet writes: No wonder so many people feel that the Bible is full of " it " I'm not a believer, and I have a lot of problems with a lot of what is in the Bible. But in all fairness, I must say that the Bible also contains some truly great literature and more valid

Re: [CTRL] My Anarchism Problem by Bob Black

2000-06-30 Thread nessie
Thanks for the personal insights, Nessie. No problem. Dishing the dirt On Bob Black is deeply satisfying. I've said enough, though. Let's talk about somebody else. The notion that there were two sides to this story never crossed my mind. Its been a pleasant surprise to find out otherwise

Re: [CTRL] Facts and Statistics About Fags

2000-06-30 Thread nessie
There's no such thing as "the" homosexual lifestyle. Homosexuals live in a wide variety of ways. Like heterosexuals, some are monogamous, some are promiscuous, others are celibate. For all sexually active people of all persuasions, the supposed health risks are (1.) greatly exaggerated by the

[CTRL] cutting down half the Amazon

2000-06-28 Thread nessie
Remember a couple weeks ago when somebody said they were going to cut down half the Amazon and somebody else said it sounded like an urban legend and I suggested checking with a primary source by way of one of the Portuguese speakers on the list and that was the last we ever heard about it?

Re: [CTRL] cutting down half the Amazon

2000-06-28 Thread nessie
Now this follow-up that Nessie has provided includes names, addresses, and other details that the previous story didn't. Notice I didn't tell you the name of my friend who grew up in Brazil, though. Sometimes the parts that are left out are the best parts. See: http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/21

Re: [CTRL] Those Durned' Devil-Worshippers!

2000-06-27 Thread nessie
Maybe it was part of a Skull and Bones initiation rite. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters

Re: [CTRL] giants

2000-06-26 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Gog, was the son of Og Gog MacOg? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These

Re: [CTRL] giants

2000-06-26 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: where did you get that name, you little monster. From a book called The White Goddess by Robert Graves, Noonday Press, a division of Farrar, Straus and Giroux, New York, 1948, LCCCN 48-8257, pp 237-239 No truly cogent discussion of comparative mythology

Re: [CTRL] Border is MOVING

2000-06-25 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media. --Former CIA Director William Colby Good one. I want to use it in my column. When and where did he say it? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION

Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed

2000-06-24 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Barrabas It means "son of the father" in Hebrew, right? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not

Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's Rants, Illuminiati,

2000-06-24 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Saba is Colleen...no doubt! Maybe they're both AI subroutines. If so, the almost pass the Turing test. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing

Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed

2000-06-23 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: I post stuff on everything because I think it is necessary to see what our fellow humans are doing to get an overall picture on trends in beliefs. This is a valuable adition to this list. You are indeed serving a useful purpose here, simply by doing that.

Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed

2000-06-23 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: After all now I have 5 predators attacking my character. That's a strong metaphor. I take it you have never been literally attacked by a literal predator. I have. Trust me, it's nothing at all like a metaphor. You need bandages later, and your clothes need

Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed

2000-06-23 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: The Bible today contains more truth then anything else ever written. How do you know? Have you read everything else and confirmed or refuted everything in it by scientific inquiry? Does it contain more truth than my encyclopedia which is 21 volumes longer?

Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed

2000-06-23 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: And about your question, "how do you know?" My Answer, I believe. Which I have a right to. Indeed you do have a right to believe. That doesn't make it the smart thing to do. Believing and knowing are two totally different things. Believe is what you do when

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [RMNEWS] ELEVEN DAYS -- FOUR RIOTS -- ANARCHISTS -- BLACK PANTHER

2000-06-22 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: So much has happened in the last eleven days that it appears we are getting ready to see the long, hot summer of anarchy, rape and race riots that RMNews Sources have predicted. It is highly disingenuous to associate rape and anarchy. Anarchists are

[CTRL] Mexican Computer Hackers working 'round the clock'

2000-06-20 Thread nessie
From: "Alberto M. Giordano" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Mexican Hackers to the Rescue of Democracy Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 21:57:26 CDT Narco News publishes early tonight with a bulldog edition: "Mexican Computer Hackers working 'round the clock' to Open Fobaproa File"

Re: [CTRL] 86% believe aliens friendly

2000-06-17 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: No need for a "War of the Worlds" attempt to take over the Earth, the public is prepared to roll out the red carpet and hand over the key to the city... Probably give them a ticker tape parade, too... Why does reading this make me remember a photo I saw

Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Saturday #1

2000-06-17 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Depends on which end of the candle you use. You don't put the candle in your ear. You put your ear on the candle. It's simple. First place candle in upright position. Then light the candle. Then turn your head sideways. Then very, very slowly lower your ear

Re: [CTRL] Underground tunnels gif

2000-06-16 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: You just said nobody can substantiate these underground sites and then said does it make a difference if you are a man or not.If so why? Because (1.) Nobody can substantiate these underground sites, and (2.)in this context, it doesn't matter what's between

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [CTRL] FYI was Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Amazon

2000-06-15 Thread nessie
nessie writes: Without researching the factual claims made in a forwarded email there's no 100% sure way to tell it if it's a hoax, but here you'll find common signs to watch for... I have a better idea. Surely Brazil's legislature has an equivelent ot Thomas. Would one of the Portugese

Re: [CTRL] Underground tunnels gif

2000-06-15 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/5268/tunnelmap.gif This map has been bouncing around the net for years. Even Sauder has been unable to substantiate a single one of these purported sites. ps Nessie did I read right that you are a man? Does it make

Re: [CTRL] CIA-Drugs Symposium Report

2000-06-15 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: We recorded in Digital audio, so hopefull within a few days, (less than a week) we shall have the whole conference audio able to stream or download. Woo-hoo! Thanks a million. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ==

[CTRL] Eugene Symposium

2000-06-14 Thread nessie
I went. Who else did? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its

Re: [CTRL] Eugene Symposium

2000-06-14 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: I was there, nervous as heck, doing my first public speaking on the matter. The secret is talk to one person. Pick one at random, make eye contact and forget about everybody else. And so was your friend , whom caught my mistake about iron ships, thanks.

Re: [CTRL] Eugene Symposium

2000-06-14 Thread nessie
Kris writes: I was there, Not only that, but you were the only one there who I told who I was. Feel flattered. Anybody else who knows had to do their own research. That they did. After I arrived, I had barely enough time to visit the men's room and grab a cup of joe before I was photographed

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Charles Manson the Solar Lodge of the OTO

2000-06-08 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: elite hoi polloi That's an oxymoron A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These

Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE:

2000-06-07 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: What does it show us? That the spiritual side can be manipulated, and in fact may be one of several purposes for why the abduction phenomenon is carried out in the first place On the other hand, it is not at all uncommon for people who have been througha

Re: [CTRL] Ultraterrestrials (Was: Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE:)

2000-06-07 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: sometimes, as in the Celtic countries, just plain *lived* with and accepted. Clearly the most sensible approach. Just because somebody is different, that doesn't make them better or worse. Just because somebody has a power we don't have, that doesn't make

Re: [CTRL] Ultraterrestrials (Was: Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE:)

2000-06-07 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: The problem is, nowadays we have a movement afoot where these beings -- no better or worse than ourselves -- are now presented as being somehow morally and spiritually superior to ourselves solely because of their difference from us...and therefore warrant us

Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE:

2000-06-06 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: I could tell you that I and untold others have been repeatedly abducted by motorcycle gangsor Arab terrorists...or Satanists... or leprechauns... Which brings up an interesting question. centuries old stories of being "Taken" by "Faeries" bear a

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Ritalin Market Soars

2000-06-06 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: attention deficit/hyperactivity, Symptoms include questioning authority and staring out the window when the teacher is boring you. We're not seeing an increase in mental illness here. We're seeing an increase in social control. Children who don't conform

Re: [CTRL] Background checks stopped more than 200, 000 gun buys last

2000-06-06 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Another good reason why we don't need more restrictive gun laws, and why, perhaps, we don't need more laws against anything. "Laws are useless. Good people don't need 'em. Bad people don't obey 'em." -- U. Utah

Re: [CTRL] Naval Reserve Comm Willard H.Miller on UFO Situation

2000-06-06 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: "...knighted in the Sovereign Military Order of the Temple of Jerusalem (Knights Templars)..." The Sovereign Military Order of Malta, better known as the Knights of Malta are the military wing of the Catholic Church. They are also a sovereign country, even

Re: [CTRL] Ultraterrestrials (Was: Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE:)

2000-06-06 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: More to come! Yeah. Let's kick this one around for a while. But let's keep speculation and facts seperate and labeled. Let's also keep in mind that there needs be no exclusionary hypothesis. There could be military intelligence behind some abductions and ETs

Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE:

2000-06-06 Thread nessie
Two words: cargo cult A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its

Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE:

2000-06-05 Thread nessie
one day will manifest themselves by the thousands in our skies. It's far more likely that a clever illusion will manifest in our skies and we'll be led to believe it's ET. See: http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/12.html A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER =

[CTRL] start your own country

2000-06-05 Thread nessie
http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,36749,00.html A Data Sanctuary is Born by Declan McCullagh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 5:00 p.m. Jun. 4, 2000 PDT WASHINGTON -- A windswept gun tower anchored six miles off the stormy coast of England is about to become the first Internet

Re: [CTRL] The (Ottoman) Empire Strikes Back

2000-06-04 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: If there is an Islamic revolution and clerics rule, they will rule by religious law. That's a very big "if," especially in Turkey. It was the Muslim, not Arab world which sent money, arms and men to help their coreligiopnists in Yugoslavia. Also a

Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE:

2000-06-04 Thread nessie
I think we can safely say that American abductions could sometimes be the military because they sometimes pretend they are aliens by using virtual reality scenarios. Agreed. But why are they doing this? They must have a plan. The military doesn't take a dump without a having a plan first.

Re: [CTRL] The (Ottoman) Empire Strikes Back

2000-06-03 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: If push came to shove, the Turks would not be likely to support a Jewish State at war with their coreligionists. And, they have been at war with Christianity for over a thousand years. Like I was saying about the long standing split between Arab Iraq and

Re: [CTRL] Mark Phillips and Cathy O'Brien on Mind Control 3/3

2000-06-03 Thread nessie
along those lines will do. You know what I like. I'll keep your name out of it. Thanks in advance. nessie c/o Bound Together Books 1369 Haight St. San Francisco CA 94117 USA A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informationa

Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE:

2000-06-02 Thread nessie
e? HARP's alleged psychoactive capabilities could indeed be a factor in the strategy of whoever is behind the UFO/abduction experience. So could The Second Coming See : http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/12.html and http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/13.html Plus various substances, inc selenium,

Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE:

2000-06-02 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Memories can be implanted. Indeed, we cannot even trust our own memories, let alone the memories of others. There could be a very mundane, earthly agency afoot with these abductions, and agency that is utilizing false ET scenarios to cover their tracks,

[CTRL] The Coso artifact

2000-06-02 Thread nessie
Ironically, of all the people on this list who are participating in the discussion about the possibility that UFOs are of ET origin, I am the one who has posted what is the closest thing to physical evidence of ET visitation. It's not physical evidence but it is a (purported) picture of physical

Re: [CTRL] UFO Evidence - Nessie's Page

2000-06-02 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Nessie - Oh So you ARE the Mind Control Nessie. Guilty as charged. It's a great little list. I read it every day. Well, I covered the United Nations Outer Space Conference in Vienna for THE GUARDIAN. There were lots of spacepeople there, communist

Re: [CTRL] The Coso artifact

2000-06-02 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Where is it?? Do you have a URL? http://www.eskimo.com/~pierres/coso/cosopreview.html A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are

Re: [CTRL] Digital Angel Tracks Anyone Anywhere

2000-06-01 Thread nessie
See: http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/17.html A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and '

Re: [CTRL] #1 - WHAT ARE UFOs?

2000-06-01 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: I can't prove to anyone via the internet that I even exist. I can't PROVE here that I am real or human. I MIGHT be a computer software program designed to mimic a human. Indeed. As might I. But then, that's half the fun in here, isn't it? But it gets

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