Re: [CTRL] More Dark Links

[Kris Millegan]

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In a message dated 11/3/99 2:07:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 That is exactly what Satan wants you to think so you won't see him coming.


JAH.


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 Satan is fiction.

 

Who says?

God is good, God is great, God is not mocked. Allah be praised.

Satan is a lie.

om
k

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Re: [CTRL] More Dark Links - Satan

[Kris Millegan]

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Peace be unto you.

Satan is not real.  The Devil made no one do it.

Evil is borne by the hearts, minds and hands of man.

Your source has many levels understand that God is One.

God is great, God is good, God is not mocked. Allah be praised.

Om
K

In a message dated 11/3/99 2:07:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Dear Robert,


What you have quoted from Solomon is fine, but you cannot cherry pick The

Bible. The very same source tells us unequivocally that Satan is real.


It is Satan who teaches that people he does not exist, so that you will not

see him coming, or his hand in world and personal events, so that you cannot

fight

against him, because you do not believe he exists. A perfect

defence-strategy and attack-strategy, that leaves people defenceless against

him.


Peace be upon you,


JAH 

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Re: [CTRL] Seven Killed in Honolulu Shooting

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In a message dated 11/2/99 3:12:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 HONOLULU –– An attacker opened fire Tuesday at a Xerox building, killing
 seven people before fleeing, authorities said. 

I blame video games.  Oh, and TV violence and peer pressure.  While I'm at
it, I think I'll blame rap and heavy metal, too.  Comic books must have
something to do with it, also.  And that Harry Potter kid... definitely at
fault.

Wait a second, the killer wasn't a teenager?

Forget I said anything.

-Crimm

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[CTRL] Fwd: [MC] Bluebird, Artichoke, LSD MKULTRA

[Kris Millegan]

Ann:
One of my research interests has been MKULTRA, mainly because
I realized that working at UCLA gave me access to the same
libraries housing the same materials utilized by the doctors
who were involved with creation of some of the projects.
I have a copy of the Joint Hearing before the Select Committee
on Intelligence and the Subcommittee on Health and Scientific
Research of the Committee on Human Resources; U.S. Senate
95th Congress, First Session.  It was not until after these
Senate Hearings that MKULTRA was officially/publicly
shut-down in 1978.
Yes, there had been a CIA memo dated October 20, 1975
calling for the destruction of agency records pertaining
to MKULTRA, signed by Donald F. Chamberlain, Inspector
General.
There are many of us who have evidence that the MKULTRA
projects were never really shut-down, as witness
the Senate's determination that they needed to have a
hearing even after the CIA declared MKULTRA finished.
Many of the MKULTRA projects were called something else
before being brought under one project name with many
sub-projects (Bluebird, in a memo for example discussed
in a 1952 with a blacked out signature).
What document do you have that provides a date of 1973?
KK


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Subject: Re: [MC] Operation Paperclip


It is important to remember that the bulk of the MK_ULTRA were destroyed in
1973. In spite of what they claim, I do not think they abandoned the old
methods; they are still in operation today. At least according to my
research. But I do believe that they knew about electomagnetic methods,
tho' that has not been the focus of my research. We do know they were
working with electricity (electro-shock) and radiation: not a big leap.!


Ann Earle
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[CTRL] Fwd: Fl 990--One version of what's going on

[Kris Millegan]

11.3.99
Fl 990--One version of what's going on


Kent Steadman of CyberspaceOrbit relayed some information to us about
Fl. 990 which he has now put up at his website.

Reportedly, an extremely ancient planetary defense/stargate apparatus
which exists WAY beneath the Giza plateau was missing some crucial
parts. Parts which may have been pilfered by some "Raiders of the Lost
Ark"-type hombres and turned over to covert factions of the federal government.

In hopes of duplicating said planetary defense/stargate system, said
parts were reportedly in the process of being back-engineered by same
covert government factions in some central Calif. location, when word
went ut that parts were NEEDED--very badly, apparently--by certain other
parties ensconced in the Giza underground.

Activation of said device is reportedly required due to an extremely
threatening series of asteroids/meteor(ites) which are making a beeline
for earth. Situation is said to be CRITICAL.

NewsHawk has received COMPLETELY separate confirmation from a VERY trusted
NY-area source of objects heading for earth. At least 3 such were cited.
Two weeks ago this source told us that though technologies existed
(particle, positron, pulse, nuclear, laser, etc.) which COULD prevent
these objects
from impacting by other deflecting or destroying them, New World Order
factions WANT the objects to impact and were trying to PREVENT any such
planetary defense being deployed. He also implied that perhaps existing
technology MIGHT be inadequate for the purposes required. Our source told
us again that this threat is VERY real and VERY serious. We've been
acquainted for a long time and this guy does NOT worry easily. He sounded
worried.

The existence of these approaching celestial objects is well-known among
those scientific circles with a "need to know".

Egyptian military officers aboard Fl. 990 were reportedly transporting
required parts of the ancient planetary defense/stargate apparatus BACK
to Egypt.

Then Flight 990 vanished.

HOWEVER, according to one of Kent Steadman's sources, the desperately needed
parts DID in fact make it back to Cairo/Giza, despite the fact Fl. 990
did NOT.

Either the vital materials were taken off the plane in New York, or Fl.
990 was a DECOY and the materials were actually transported by other means,
or the entire plane itself was subjected to some drastic time/space
"alterations" in order to secure the device(s) needed.

In support of this general scenario is some information gleaned from OUR
source in NY later in the day the jet went down. We contacted him to
find out
if he had any "inside" info on the crash. At the time he didn't, other
than to observe that the area of the plane's disappearance is a literal
"Bermuda Triangle" of sorts.

We THEN asked our source about the current status of threats posed to
the planet by approaching celestial objects. His response was blunt and
to the point. "That's been taken care of," he said tersely. Remember,
this was within 12 hours of the disappearance of Fl. 990.

What did he know that he could then make that statement with such
certainty? Was it that he KNEW (but couldn't say) those desperately
needed parts had in fact made it back to Egypt to be utilized in the
planetary defense apparatus under the Giza plateau, and that for now at
least, earth was safe?

We strongly urge readers to visit Kent Steadman's website to get the
details on this extraordinary story.

By the way, Steadman ALSO noted it's confirmed that weather radar
data from the time the jet went down indicate a severe electromagnetic
pulse of some kind in the area.

NewsHawk® Inc.


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 Original Message 
Subject: [KENT] What might have been on board 990
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:27:38 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Flight 990, data, information

refer folks to these urls:

ORBIT
http://members.aol.com/phikent/orbit/orbit.html

Wild tales about strange devices
specifically:
http://members.aol.com/phikent/orbit/rant2.htm

Kent

Re: [CTRL] More Dark Links

[Eagle 1]

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Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes::  God is good, God is great, God is not mocked. Allah be praised.
  Satan is a lie. 

Satan is a lie?  Then please explain why is he mentioned so much in the
Bible?  From the Garden of Eden as that old Serpent (Genesis ch 3), the
subtile beast of the field, who goes to and fro throughout the earth (Job
1:6  ch 2); comes as the Beast and the Dragon (Revelation 12:9  ch 13);
then on to the Lake of Fire (Revelation 20:14),  and is  many times in
between...
???
If Satan is a lie,  then the whole Bible must be a lie,  because the gist of
the whole plan from beginning to it's end,  is to delete this "Satan" (the
prosecutor; the accuser) entity from our presence;  and God presents
salvation to those who will accept it. For Christ's purpose is salvation to
whomsoever would believe upon Him (John 3:15-17),   from one who is called
"death" aka: the devil.
"For as much then as the children are partakers of the flesh and blood, He
also himself likewise took part of the same;  that through death He might
destroy him that had the power of death,  that is the devil [Satan]".
Hebrews 2:14

Again,  you are welcome to believe what you will,  but when there is
substantial evidence to prove this personnage's emminence and presence,  I
really do not understand how you can say *he is a lie*,  when truly,  truly
as Christ has said,
Satan is the liar,  and the father of all lies...   John 8:44.
Makes no sense to say he is a lie,  when he is the liar of liars.

To each their own belief. To each their own road's end.

eagle 1


- Original Message -
From: Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 12:04 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] More Dark Links


 -Caveat Lector-

 In a message dated 11/3/99 2:07:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  That is exactly what Satan wants you to think so you won't see him
coming.


 JAH.


 --Original Message -


  Satan is fiction.

  

 Who says?

 God is good, God is great, God is not mocked. Allah be praised.

 Satan is a lie.

 om
 k

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Re: [CTRL] More Dark Links

[Kris Millegan]

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MHO
To state that satan is "real" is a matter of faith and/or opinion.

Numbers do not lie, they maybe  'experienced' differently, but they do not
lie and are universal.

God is good, God is great, God is not mocked. Allah be praised.

My faith rests within God.

Peace unto you, bretheren.

Om
k
-
Aloha, He'Ping,
Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
Omnia Bona Bonis,
All My Relations.
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
Roads End
In a message dated 11/3/99 8:28:49 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote::: Satan is fiction.

To state that Satan is 'fiction'  is a matter of faith and opinion.
You are most assuredly entitled to believe as you so choose. However,
it is my firm belief and opinion that this personnage, regardless of his
name, title, or description is alive and doing very well...
biding his time to be cast out of heaven as it is written in Revelation 12.

One day,  we shall ALL know the truth regarding such a statement.
And by that time,  it won't really matter any more.


---
Welcoming the NWO...  let's get it over with.

eagle 1

"Behold,  the days come, saith the Lord God,  that I will send a famine in
the land, not a famine of bread [food], nor a thirst for water,  but [a
famine] of hearing the words of the Lord."   -   Amos 8:11

--

- Original Message -
From: Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] More Dark Links


 -Caveat Lector-

 In a message dated 11/3/99 4:04:58 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Talent may not necessarily be on loan from God - could be Satan
instead. 

 Satan is fiction.

 Om
 K 

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Re: [CTRL] Fl 990--One version of what's going on

[Edward Britton]

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Somebody has LOST THEIR FREAKING MIND!!! Now we know where the rest of the
inmates of the asylum went when the Cukoo's nest closed down.

I personally blame Carter and Reagan for this pig plop! Ancient planetary
defense system my ass!

Edward   +


At 01:29 AM 11/4/1999 EST

"From the rage of today's downtrodden comes the revenge of tomorrow's
revolutionary force. " Edward Britton   +
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5285/connector1.html
Reality Pump: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/Reality_Pump2


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[CTRL] Council on Foreign Relations

[lloyd]

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..

Forwarded from the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]:
Subject:  Council on Foreign Relations

GroupWatch was compiled by the Interhemispheric Resource Center,
Box 4506, Albuquerque, NM 87196. http://www.irc-online.org/

GroupWatch files are available at http://www.pir.org/gw/

Group: Council on Foreign Relations
File Name: cfr.txt
Last Updated: 9/89

Principals: Officers for the 1987-1988 year were: Peter G. Peterson,
chair; Peter Tarnoff, pres; Warren Christopher, vice chair; John
Temple Swing, exec vice pres; Lewis T. Preston, treas; Alton Frye,
vice pres, Washington; William H. Gleysteen, Jr, vice pres, studies;
John A. Millington, vice pres, planning and development; Margaret
Osmer-McQuade, vice pres, meetings.(1)

Directors for the 1987-1988 year were: Graham T. Allison, Jr.,
Harold Brown, James E. Burke, Richard B. Cheney, Warren Christopher,
Robert F. Erburu, Richard L. Gelb, Alan Greenspan, Karen Elliot
House, Stanley Hoffmann, B.R. Inman, Jeane J. Kirkpatrick, Juanita
Kreps, Charles M. Mathias, Jr., Donald F. McHenry, Ruben F. Mettler,
Peter G. Peterson, Lewis T. Preston, William D. Rogers, Robert A.
Scalapino, Brent Scowcroft, Stephen Stamas, Peter Tarnoff, Glenn E.
Watts, Clifton R. Wharton, Jr.(1)

Honorary Officers and Directors Emeritii were: Arthur Dean
(deceased), Douglas Dillon, George S. Franklin, Caryl P. Haskins,
Joseph E. Johnson, Grayson Kirk, John J. McCloy, James A. Perkins,
Philip D. Reed, David Rockefeller, Charles M. Spofford, Cyrus R.
Vance.(1) William G. Hyland is the editor of Foreign Affairs.(1)

The CFR numbers among its members many government officials from
past administrations as well as the Bush administration.(1) Its
membership has been noted to include individuals from the corporate
world who hold overlapping corporate directorships, and therefore
wield a wide base of influence in the world of commerce. The
current membership also includes strong representation from the
neoconservative labor community.(1)

Among the CFR members who are government officials or congresspeople
from past and present administrations are: Les Aspin, James E.
Baker, George W. Ball, Zbigniew Brzezinski, McGeorge Bundy, Frank
C. Carlucci, Hodding Carter III, Jimmy Carter, Richard B. Cheney,
William E. Colby, Sally Shelton-Colby, Christopher J. Dodd,
Lawrence Eagleburger, Thomas Ehrlich, Dante B. Fascell, Thomas S.
Foley, Gerald R. Ford, Alexander M. Haig Jr., Richard Helms, Fred
C. Ikle, Jeane J. Kirkpatrick, Henry A. Kissinger, Winston Lord,
Edward N. Luttwak, Daniel P. Moynihan, Edmund S. Muskie, Paul H.
Nitze, Claiborne Pell, Richard N. Perle, Richard E. Pipes, Elliot
L. Richardson, John Richardson, Eugene V. Rostow, Brent Scowcroft,
William E. Simon, Russell E. Train, Cyrus R. Vance, Paul A. Volcker,
William Webster, Caspar W. Weinberger, and Elmo R. Zumwalt, Jr.(1)

Other notable members include: Anne Armstrong, chair of the board
of the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS);
conservative columnist William F. Buckley, Jr.; neoconservative
labor leaders Sol "Chick" Chaikin, Jay Lovestone, Jay Mazur, and
Leo Cherne; San Antonio mayor Henry Cisneros; former CIA deputy
director and current CSIS senior adviser--Ray S. Cline; editor-in-chief
of the Washington Times Arnaud de Borchgrave; exec dir of the
Committee for the Free World Midge Decter; secretary of the AFL-CIO
William C. Doherty, Jr.; former vice pres candidate Geraldine A.
Ferraro; political scientistand former National Security Council
member Samuel P. Huntington; former arms control negotiator Max M.
Kampleman; CSIS dir of African studies Helen Kitchen; and prominent
conservative political scientist Seymour Martin Lipset.(1)

Category: Political

Background: The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) was established
in 1921. It is a nonprofit, nonpartisan membership organization
with a current membership of 2,450. Membership is by invitation
only through nomination by the membership committee and approval
by the board of directors.(1) The Council takes no institutional
position on foreign policy issues and no one is authorized to speak
on behalf of the Council.(1) The Council has 38 independent branches
around the U.S., and provides the majority of speakers for their
meetings.(1)

The Council's library is open to "qualified" members of the public;
its quarterly journal, Foreign Affairs is available to the public.(1)

There was a struggle for power in the Council over who was to
succeed David Rockefeller who retired in 1985. It appears that
struggle was between the forces of former Secretary of State Henry
Kissinger and former Secretary of State Cyrus Vance.(5,6) Peter G.
Peterson who emerged as chairman is a close associate of Henry
Kissinger.(5,6) Peter Tarnoff, the Vance candidate for the chair,
became the Council's president.(6) It was suggested by one Council
source that a Peterson victory could turn the CFR into "a 

[CTRL] Unreported Gene Therapy Death Toll

[Das GOAT]

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Six Gene Therapy Deaths Unreported

WASHINGTON (AP) - Two researchers competing to be the first to grow new blood
vessels around blocked ones say they didn't report to the National Institutes
of Health that six people have died during their gene therapy studies.

Ronald Crystal of the New York Hospital-Cornell Medical Center in Manhattan
and Jeffrey Isner of Tufts University in Boston told The Washington Post they
believe the six patients died from underlying illnesses and not from the gene
therapy.

Last month the Food and Drug Administration ordered Schering-Plough Corp. to
temporarily halt two gene therapy studies after a teen-ager in a similar
experiment died on Sept. 16. University of Pennsylvania scientists had placed
healthy genes in his liver to combat a rare metabolic disease.

The researchers in the blood vessel study said they did report the deaths to
the FDA, which doesn't release the information. But they said federal
regulations didn't require them to tell the NIH because gene therapy didn't
directly cause the deaths.

The Post quoted NIH officials in its editions Wednesday as saying that even
deaths first appearing unrelated to gene therapy should be reported and made
public because the cause of death may not be determined until later.

``It may take five, six, seven patients ill, or 20 patients, before you find
out, 'Hey, this is also happening in other people's trials,''' said Amy
Patterson, who heads the NIH office that oversees gene therapy studies.

Isner told the Post not reporting the deaths was an oversight and he was
unclear about whether he had to.

Crystal said he supported telling the NIH, but he didn't consider it a legal
requirement. He said Parke-Davis, which sponsored his study, has become
responsible for reporting deaths to the agencies involved.

Parke-Davis spokeswoman Carol Goodrich told the Post that the company had
sent the NIH details of the deaths on Oct. 20.

The deaths had been discussed in scientific journals and meetings, both
researchers said.

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[CTRL] State-by-State Poverty Levels

[Das GOAT]

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 It's interesting that California has a higher-than-average "poverty
level," close to that of dirt-poor states like Arkansas and Kentucky, despite
its higher median income.
 "In 1996, the [national average] poverty line for a family of four was
$16,036 a year."  (In urban California, however, it's more like $60,000 a
year for a family of three ... )
 Using this $35,492 figure for MEDIAN income, HALF of all American
workers earn, after taxes, LESS than $500 a week, representing a de facto
hourly wage of LESS than $10 an hour, for a work-week often heavy on
mandatory overtime, 48 to 56 hours long.
(In the Bay Area, 60% or more of "median income" is needed to cover one's
RENT.)

 But look on the bright side: In the time it took you to read the
foregoing, Bill Gates (sitting on the toilet at the time) saw his personal
net worth increase by $354,920 ...


State-by-State Poverty Levels

   Percentage of people living in poverty, percentage of children
living in poverty and the median household income in 1996 for the
50 states and the District of Columbia, according to the Census
Bureau.

State  Pop. poverty  Children's poverty  Median income

U.S.   13.720.5$35,492

Ala.   17.125.3 29,518

Alaska 11.115.4 44,280

Ariz.  15.823.5 32,842

Ark.   17.625.8 27,392

Calif. 16.625.2 38,664

Colo.  10.514.6 38,722

Conn.   8.714.0 45,187

Del.   10.015.3 39,723

D.C.   21.135.6 34,697

Fla.   14.222.3 31,064

Ga.15.423.1 33,919

Hawaii 11.517.8 43,815

Idaho  12.015.6 33,114

Ill.   12.018.2 39,483

Ind.9.613.7 35,542

Iowa9.412.7 33,783

Kansas 10.614.4 33,728

Ky.17.525.5 30,418

La.20.729.7 28,742

Maine  12.017.1 32,809

Md. 9.614.1 44,206

Mass.   9.714.6 40,831

Mich.  12.719.3 38,127

Minn.   8.611.4 39,690

Miss.  20.829.8 26,925

Mo.13.019.1 32,791

Mont.  15.021.0 28,707

Neb.9.212.2 33,510

Nev.   10.014.0 38,186

N.H.6.2 7.5 40,196

N.J.8.913.7 46,803

N.M.   19.929.2 27,303

N.Y.   16.225.4 35,737

N.C.   12.818.7 34,326

N.D.   11.415.3 30,713

Ohio   11.416.5 34,213

Okla.  17.224.9 27,662

Ore.   12.517.3 35,111

Pa.11.416.7 35,140

R.I.   11.817.8 36,326

S.C.   15.423.4 32,523

S.D.   13.118.7 29,846

Tenn.  14.621.4 31,128

Texas  17.826.2 32,719

Utah9.811.6 36,287

Vt.10.814.6 33,437

Va.11.316.5 38,426

Wash.  11.516.7 37,975

W.Va.  20.029.9 25,822

Wis.8.612.2 38,472

Wyo.   11.014.4 31,180


Miss. Has Highest Poverty Level

By KATHERINE PFLEGER
.c The Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) - The number of people living in poverty varies widely across
the nation, ranging from the single digits throughout most of the Northeast
to more than 20 percent in some parts of the South, the Census Bureau
reports.

Just 6.2 percent of the people in New Hampshire, and 7.5 percent of that
state's children, were in families earning below the poverty line in 1996. In
Mississippi, the state with the highest poverty rates, 20.8 percent of people
live below the poverty line.

Nationally, 13.7 percent of Americans - and 20.5 percent of children - lived
in poverty in 1996, according to 

[CTRL] Drug Warrior's Wife Busted for Possession

[Das GOAT]

 -Caveat Lector-

Colonel's Wife May Have Had Heroin

By TOM HAYS
.c The Associated Press

NEW YORK (AP) - Two packages seized in a drug trafficking case against the
wife of the former commander of the U.S. anti-drug operation in Colombia
contained heroin, not cocaine as first thought, according to court papers.

Laurie Ann Hiett, wife of Col. James Hiett, surrendered in August on drug
conspiracy charges. Field tests had indicated two parcels she allegedly
shipped to the United States from the U.S. Embassy in Bogota held 1.2 kilos
of cocaine each.

But since then, laboratory tests ``have determined that these packages, in
fact, contained heroin,'' prosecutor Lee Dunst wrote in an Oct. 21 letter to
Mrs. Hiett's attorney.

Dunst refused Tuesday to discuss the case. But in his letter, he said the
fact the evidence is heroin instead of cocaine is ``irrelevant'' because, as
an alleged drug smuggler, Mrs. Hiett ``need not know the exact nature or type
of drug in her possession.''

Mrs. Hiett, 36, has not been indicted and is free on bail. She has denied the
charges. Her attorney, Paul Lazarus, said the new information does not change
her defense: that she was unaware drugs were in the packages.

``If she didn't know it was cocaine, she didn't know it was heroin,'' Lazarus
said Tuesday.

Mrs. Hiett has agreed to give up her right to a speedy prosecution, in part
to allow both sides to pursue a possible plea bargain.

Prosecutors have said that if convicted on the cocaine charges, she faced up
to 12 years in prison. Charges involving heroin can carry a stiffer penalty.

An investigation by the Army Criminal Investigation Division in Panama
cleared her husband, saying he had ``no prior knowledge'' of the alleged
shipments. At his request, he was transferred to Fort Monroe, Va.

Mrs. Hiett became a suspect in May when her name appeared on the return
address on one of the two packages, which was seized after a routine search
by the Customs Service in Miami.

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Re: [CTRL] More Dark Links

[Terry Cox]

Talent may not necessarily be on loan 
from God - could be Satan instead.


  - Original Message - 
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  -Caveat Lector-On 1/11/99 mrufomn wrote:On 
  Mon, 1 Nov 1999, earthman wrote: I saw Bowie the 
  other night on TV when I was surfing. Phew. What a major 
  creep.I don't knowI always like the dudeSame 
  here. I think Bowie's rather talented.BD

[CTRL] Kosovo -- Bush's Legacy to Clinton

[Das GOAT]

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How the US / NATO inherited "Kosovo" from President George Bush:

http://www.rand.org/publications/CF/CF129/CF-129.chapter11.html
(from the Rand Corporation)

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[CTRL] (Fwd) Release: taxing cash

[K]

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Federal Reserve official proposes
plan to tax the cash in your pocket

WASHINGTON, DC -- A Federal Reserve official wants to add
"tracking devices" to U.S. currency so the government can tax your
cash -- a bizarre scheme that could cause your money to plummet in
value and tighten the government's noose around the economy, the
Libertarian Party warned today.

"If the politicians gain the power to track and tax currency,
then financial privacy will be dead, your money will grow more
worthless every day, and the government's power over the economy will
be virtually unlimited," said Steve Dasbach, the party's national
director. "This idea deserves a swift kick in the cash."

According to Wired.com -- the online version of Wired
magazine -- Marvin Goodfriend, a senior vice president at the Federal
Reserve Bank of Richmond, wants the government to tax private
possession of cash via a high-tech tracking device on currency notes.

In a 34-page paper presented at a Federal Reserve System
conference in Vermont, Goodfriend wrote: "[A] magnetic strip could
visibly record when a bill was last withdrawn from the banking system. A
carry tax could be deducted from each bill upon deposit according to how
long the bill was in circulation."

Or, banks could mark bills with a visible "date issued" stamp
when distributed via tellers or an ATM, he said. Either way, the longer you
hold currency without depositing it in a bank account, the less that cash
would be worth.

Such a cash tax could discourage people from "hoarding"
currency and deter black market and criminal activities, Goodfriend
argued.

Besides its longstanding opposition to any new tax, the
Libertarian Party rejects Goodfriend's scheme for several reasons, said
Dasbach.

"The intent of this plan is to drive all commercial
transactions through the banking system, so the government could snoop on
-- and tax -- every aspect of the economy," he charged. "In the guise of
monitoring cash, the government wants more power to monitor and control the
economy.

"But this plan wouldn't just punish businesses that operate in the
cash economy: It's also a huge burden on people who don't trust banks or
who prefer the security or convenience of cash. Every American would suffer
from this proposal, as the government nibbled away, termite-like, at the
value of their cash."

Besides, said Dasbach, the government already has a "carry tax"
that decreases the value of your money: It's called inflation.

"Thanks to politicians' fiscal irresponsibility and the Federal
Reserve's ability to print more money at will, the value of your cash
already decreases every day because of government-caused inflation. To add
another tax to the inflation that's already eroding the value of a dollar
bill would add insult to injury."

The Libertarian Party isn't sure if Goodfriend's proposal is a
"trial balloon" from the government or a fanciful scheme from one renegade
Federal Reserve official, said Dasbach -- but it doesn't matter.

"Here's our two cents (which would probably be worth a cent and a
half under this proposal): If this is a trial balloon, it deserves to be
shot down immediately. The government needs to be told, in no uncertain
terms, that Americans will not stand for such an intrusive, costly scheme,"
he said.

"If it isn't a trial balloon, then Mr. Goodfriend should be
fired immediately, because this kind of totalitarian scheme has no
place in a free country. Mr. Goodfriend may deserve a job in North
Korea or Cuba -- but the Federal Reserve shouldn't employ people who
advocate such un-American, constitutionally bankrupt proposals."

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[CTRL] The Omega File -- Fourth Reich Finance

[Das GOAT]

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http://www.anomalous-images.com/text/omega25.htm

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[CTRL] Project Megiddo Report Online

[Lucio Benedetto]

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The FBI's report on Project Megiddo, a "strategic assessment of the
potential for domestic terrorism in the United States undertaken in
anticipation of or response to the
arrival of the new millennium," is available in full text at the FBI Web
site document library:

http://www.fbi.gov/library.htm

The report is in PDF format, so you will need the Adobe Acrobat Reader
plug-in in order to read the report.  I've read it and I think CTRL
subscribers would find it most interesting (although much of what is in the
report will be familiar to CTRL'ers).

Cheers,

Lucio

Gonzo Links
The best of the broadband apocalypse
http://gonzolinks.tripod.com

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[CTRL] Government not told of deaths in gene studies

[Lucio Benedetto]

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Government not told of deaths in gene studies
http://www.austin360.com/statesman/editions/today/news_23.html

By Deborah Nelson and Rick Weiss
The Washington Post
Wednesday, November 3, 1999


WASHINGTON -- Scientists and drug companies have failed to notify the
National Institutes of Health about six deaths that occurred in gene therapy
experiments in the past 19 months, keeping details of the deaths from
becoming public, according to interviews with researchers and federal
officials.

The deaths are the first gene therapy deaths known to have been purposely
withheld from the NIH, one of two federal agencies charged with overseeing
the safety of this controversial field of medical research. Gene therapy
seeks to cure diseases by giving patients new genes.

The lack of disclosure reflects escalating efforts by gene therapy companies
to weaken federal reporting regulations.

Confirmation of the six deaths follows revelations last week of a death and
two serious illnesses in gene therapy patients that were reported to the NIH
with the unprecedented insistence that they be kept confidential, in
defiance of a long-standing agency policy of public disclosure.

The six deaths occurred in heart studies headed by two leading gene
researchers -- Ronald Crystal of the New York Hospital-Cornell Medical
Center in Manhattan and Jeffrey Isner of Tufts University in Boston. The two
are racing to be the first to grow new blood vessels as an alternative to
bypass surgery.

Crystal and Isner said that, unlike the widely reported death of a teen-age
patient at the University of Pennsylvania in September, they believe that
the fatalities in their studies were not directly caused by the gene therapy
but by complications stemming from the patients' underlying illnesses.

Because they decided the deaths weren't caused by gene therapy, they argued,
federal regulations don't require them to notify the NIH -- a new
interpretation of those regulations that stands in sharp contrast to the one
held by NIH officials and a decade of practice.

The researchers said they reported the deaths to the Food and Drug
Administration, which keeps such information secret.

But NIH officials are adamant that even deaths not initially believed to
have been caused by the therapy must be reported to the NIH and made public,
because often it is not clear until later whether the therapy actually
caused the deaths.

"It may take five, six, seven patients ill, or 20 patients, before you find
out, `Hey, this is also happening in other people's trials,' " said Amy
Patterson, who heads the NIH Office of Recombinant DNA Activities, which
oversees gene therapy studies. "And if you don't know what's going on in
other people's trials, then you can't put two and two together."

The FDA can suspend a study if it determines it is dangerous, but the agency
only makes such information public if the therapy eventually is approved or
with the permission of the study's sponsor.

Most of the new deaths are coming to light only because federal officials
put out a plea for gene researchers to report any undisclosed deaths or
illnesses, after the death of the teen-ager at the University of
Pennsylvania. His death is thought to be the first directly caused by gene
therapy.

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[CTRL] Scenario plans

[Taylor, John (JH)]

 -Caveat Lector-

I was at a scenario planning exercise last week. two interesting things came
out from the man in control.

Interestingly shell's chief scenario planner , Pierre Wack, was a disciple
of Gurdjief.
Gurdjief was an interesting character(and profound thinker) but linked into
the occult nework of crowley etcinteresting coincidence.

Secondly, Clem Sunter, who controlled the scenario planning operation for
Anglo American(Harry Oppenheimer) admitted that the exercise was
normative(was deceptive) and was set to reduce the former white governments
resistance to black dominated government.



--
"if multiculturalism prevails and if the consensus on liberal democracy
disintegrates, the United States could join the Soviet Union on the ash
heap of history."
  Samuel HUNTINGTON, 1997, 'The erosion of American national
interest.' Foreign Affairs 76, 5, ix/x, p. 35.


Whats the difference between an emigrant and a refugee
Timing
(SA Joke)

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[CTRL] Fwd: Illuminati and Fl 990--The Konformist

[Kris Millegan]

11.3.99
Illuminati and Fl 990


The following was received from Rob Sterling at The Konformist. He makes
note of that fact that incidents of ritual terror enacted by the
Illuminati are often tagged with symbolic aspects--generally involving
the number THIRTY-THREE.

He makes note of the fact that the crash of EgyptAir Fl. 990 is riddles
with "33's" 
every which way you want to look.

Indeed as a topper, the number of Egyptian military officers confirmed
to have been on board the jet was THIRTY-THREE.

This bird was bagged.


NewsHawk® Inc.

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Subject: The Illuminati and EgyptAir Flight 990
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 23:26:58 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The Illuminati and EgyptAir Flight 990
Robert Sterling
November 1, 1999

The most sacred of numbers to the Illuminati is 33, corresponding to the 
highest degree of Masonry.

When events have the Illuminati's fingerprints on them, they often leave 
numeric clues involving the number 33 to let those in the know what is
going 
on.

On Halloween, EgyptAir Flight 990 crashed going from New York to Egypt.

At the time of its sudden fall, the plane was at an altitude of 33,000 feet.

The plane disappeared from radars 33 minutes after takeoff.

The EgyptAir plane, named Thutmosis II, had a little over 33,000 flight hours.

It has been confirmed that 33 Egyptian military officers were aboard EgyptAir.

33 people boarded the plane on its previous stop, Los Angeles.

990 is 10 times a trinity of 33's.

The number of passengers is reported as one hundred and a trinity of
33's 
(199.)

Fnord.

[CTRL] The Gulliver RTZ Dossier

[Kris Millegan]

 -Caveat Lector-

from:
http://www.sea-us.org.au/gulliver/rtz.html
Click Here: A HREF="http://www.sea-us.org.au/gulliver/rtz.html"The Gulliver
RTZ Dossier/A
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Thanks, das Goat.
Om
K
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The Gulliver RTZ Dossier

529 RTZ
In the Summer of '89, ex-President Ronald Reagan visited London to deliver
the annual Churchill lecture. His theme was democratization through high
technology. "I am convinced that the world is moving our way," he declared.
"Breezes of electronic beams blow through the iron curtain as if it were lace
... They shall know the truth and the truth shall set them free" (1).

Less remarkable than anything Reagan said, is the fact that he was sponsored
by a British corporation, with no apparent interests in communications. Yet
the association between the grand old Republican and Rio Tinto Zinc goes back
a long way. In the 1960s, the middle-aged actor fronted a highly successful
TV series boosting "20 Mule Team" borax (2). Soon afterwards, US Borax was
bought out by Rio Tinto-Zinc, or RTZ as it now prefers to be called.

It was one of the first acquisitions in a long line, which has made RTZ the
world's most powerful mining corporation; with joint venture mines in forty
countries (3). According to investment analysts Morgan Stanley Capital
International, RTZ's market capitalization stood at US$5,711 million in June
1988, putting it head and shoulders above all the competition. In addition,
RTZ's 49%-owned Australian associate, CRA (Conzinc Rio Tinto of Australia)
occupied sixth position in the league table, with assets of just under four
billion dollars (4).

As if this were not sufficient, the following year RTZ bought up most of BP
Minerals' mines and prospects (5). At a stroke the British company acquired
Kennecott Copper, with its plum asset the Bingham Canyon copper mine in Utah,
as well as several important north American and Asian gold interests. RTZ is
now one of the most important gold producers outside of South Africa (5).

RTZ produces around 15% of the world's copper and, according to Metals and
Minerals Research Services of London, will soon assume "a quite astonishing
degree of importance" - owning copper operations "in all the world's major
areas of production.

By 1993 it could be "supplying 44.5% of the world supply of custom copper
concentrate" (6).

In 1988 the Economist magazine estimated that the company was producing 11 %
of the world's aluminium, 8% of its iron ore and 11% of its uranium (4).
RTZ's wholly-owned subsidiary, US Borax, is by far the world's most important
supplier of borates, while the Argyle diamond mine in north-west Australia is
the world's largest single producer of gem and industrial diamonds. Thanks to
gaining the BP Minerals portfolio, RTZ has taken control of QIT Fer et Titane
in Quebec and with it, half of Richards Bay Minerals in Natal, South Africa.
Claimed the US Engineering and Mining Journal in August 1989: "... the
company [now] accounts for 90% of world production of titanium dioxide slag
and 40% of titanium dioxide feedstock".

This gives it a pre-eminent position in the supply of mineral sands and the
output of strategic minerals and rare earths (7). (Four years ago, CRA also
announced the discovery of one of the world's biggest mineral sands deposits,
at Horsham, in the Australian state of Victoria (8).)

There is no continent (with the possible exception of Antarctica) where RTZ
has neglected to establish its presence - whether it be selling iron ore to
the Chinese state steel corporation (9); digging-up uranium at Elliot Lake,
Ontario; running gold mines, nickel matte and ferrochrome plants in Zimbabwe;
earning rich pickings from its Palabora copper and uranium mine in the South
African Transvaal; taking 30% of the equity in Chile's controversial
Escondida copper mine; or planning future exploitation of the sea-bed,
through its majority-owned Kennecott Deep Sea consortium (10).
As the Financial Times modestly put it in 1988: "RTZ is the dominant supplier
of minerals to the world's manufacturing industries with an extensive
portfolio ranging from aluminium to zinc". The paper went on to note that:
"[T]he sheer scale and profitability of the complementary industrial assets
are sometimes forgotten" (11).

Certainly, the company's interests in aluminium products - through its Pillar
subsidiary in western Europe and Indal in the USA - have consistently
maintained a cash-flow to see the company through hard times. However, RTZ's
extraordinary forays out of mining - into chemicals, oil and gas, cement,
uranium enrichment and other non-mining concerns, which typified the late
1970's and early 1980's - have come to an end. In 1989, the corporation
yielded up the last of these rather lumbering interests, by selling RTZ
Chemicals and ISC Chemicals to Rhone- Poulenc of France (12). (Not a moment
too soon in the eyes of some of its critics: ISC is Britain's second biggest
producer of ozone-destroying CFC's. After intense shareholder denunciation 

[CTRL] OEN 11/3/99

[Kris Millegan]

 -Caveat Lector-

from:
http://www.aci.net/kalliste/
Click Here: A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin
Grabbe/A
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Political Corruption


The Ick that Sticks


More graft at the White House and Commerce.

It looks like Hillary Clinton's top political strategist, Harold Ickes, has
once again moved from the frying pan into the fire. John Huang, the
Democratic National Committee money-man who helped raise $2 million for the
Clinton-Gore re-election efforts, is reportedly prepared to tell Congress of
yet another Ickes financial outrage. Huang will testify that, in 1995,
then-deputy White House chief of staff Ickes asked him to raise money for the
re-election campaign of Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. (D-Ill.). The problem is that
Huang was then an official at the Commerce Department - and the Hatch Act
prohibits supervisors from asking subordinates to make political
contributions or do partisan political work.
To that end, the congressional committee unanimously voted to give Huang
immunity in return for his testimony.
On top of that, The Post's Brian Blomquist and Gregg Birnbaum reported Sunday
that Ickes has repeatedly flouted federal lobbyist-disclosure law requiring
him to identify his clients and how much they're paying him. After being
ignored for more than a year, officials have referred the matter to the U.S.
Attorney in Washington.
In an administration rife with ethically challenged officials, Ickes has
consistently been at the top of the list. He initially lost out on an
administration job over allegations linking him to mob-controlled labor
unions. He was also connected to Arthur Coia, long-serving president of the
Laborers International Union of North America and heavy Democratic
contributor. Earlier this month, Coia, identified by the FBI as an
organized-crime associate, copped a plea on fraud charges - conveniently
avoiding a trial at which Ickes and other administration officials would
likely have faced some embarrassing questions.
Despite his role at the center of the now-notorious 1996 Clinton-Gore
fund-raising apparatus, Ickes was spared a full-scale independent counsel
investigation when Janet Reno, America's "hear no evil, see no evil" attorney
general, declined to authorize a probe into charges that Ickes lied to
Congress about his role in helping the Teamsters while the union was a
potential hot source of campaign cash.
With Harold Ickes in charge, "Clinton for Senate" is bound to be as sleazy
and corrupt as the Clinton White House.
The New York Post, November 3, 1999


Money Laundering


Swiss Focus on Russian Government Bribes


It's a good thing American politicans are honest.

ZURICH, Nov 2, 1999 -- (Reuters) Geneva's top prosecutor said his office was
investigating payments to people linked to Russia's government as part of
money laundering probes.
"For us, this is about an investigation into payments to people with close or
more distant association with the Russian government who could not
immediately justify them (the payments)," Bernard Bertossa said in an
interview with the daily Tages-Anzeiger published on Monday.
"But I am not revealing sums, names or banks," he added.
However, he said, it could not be ruled out that some individuals under
scrutiny by his office might also be tied to a U.S. probe into money
laundering allegations concerning the Bank of New York .
U.S. authorities are investigating charges of massive money laundering
through the Bank of New York. Three defendants have been indicted for
allegedly transmitting about $7 billion through accounts at the bank.
"In the current phase we are trying to unravel the different strands to get
an overview of what happened in Switzerland," Bertossa said, adding that the
Bank of New York probe primarily affected New York and London, not Geneva.
Little has surfaced in Switzerland on tangible links to the U.S. case apart
from a trickle of revelations on frozen accounts. It emerged last month that
Swiss banks, under new laws obliging them to report suspect funds, had frozen
26 million Swiss francs ($17.2 million) that may be tied to the case.
SWISS SAY MANY COMPANIES BEING PROBED
Geneva prosecutors are probing charges that Swiss construction company
Mabetex paid the Kremlin bribes to win renovation contracts. They are also
looking into alleged money laundering linked to a list of 24 Russian
politicians, businessmen and their family members.
Mabetex and the Kremlin deny the charges. The Kremlin and Russian politicians
have said the allegations are politically inspired ahead of elections this
year and next.
Bertossa said Mabetex was one of many companies being investigated.
He also said it was likely some financial institutions in Switzerland had
been infiltrated by individuals seeking to launder substantial sums with
dubious provenance.
"This hypothesis is likely in certain cases we are currently investigating. I
cannot go into details," Bertossa said.
He said he was also frustrated by what he saw as a 

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Re: [CTRL] Tales of the Underclass

[nessie]

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Whether it will be capitalist or communist seems to be an unresolved side
issue.

This is a false dichotomy. "Communism" is nothing more than state monopoly
capitalism.To learn about  REAL  communism read Acts: 2:44-46.

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[CTRL] The OMEGA File : GERMAN ECONOMIC MIRACLE

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from:
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Click Here: A HREF="http://www.anomalous-images.com/text/omega25.htm"The
OMEGA File : GERMAN ECONOMIC MIRACLE/A
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The OMEGA File
GERMAN ECONOMIC "MIRACLE"
  For more information on how the "economic miracle" was accomplished after
the war by the Germans, you can read such books as "Martin Bormann, Nazi in
Exile" by Paul Manning [ "...Bormann became the guiding force in the
'economic miracle' that led to the rebirth of German industry and finance in
the thirty-five years following political and military defeat. In the waning
months of World War II, as the Third Reich was tottering and finally
crumbling in defeat, Bormann set up 750 CORPORATIONS scattered among those
nations that had remained neutral. Those corporations received the fleeing
wealth of Germany and became the power base that enabled Germany to climb
back to economic and political strength." From flyleaf ]. This book expands
on the meeting in Strasbourg on August 10, 1944, mentioned in Michael
Bar-Zohar's book "The Avengers."

In 1986, while researching these subjects, we received 161 pages under a
Freedom of Information search concerning what happened to the German treasury
at the end of WW II. Many of these documents had been SECRET until
declassification to fulfill our request. One document was No. 19,489,
November 27, 1944, Subject: Transmitting Intelligence Report No. EW-Pa 198
[?, barely readable] by G-2 Economic Section, the Secretary of State, from
Lt. Col. John W. Easton, Economic Warfare Division.

The cover letter stated "I have the honor to enclose Intelligence Report
No. EW-Pa 198 by G-2 Economic Section, SHAEF ["Supreme Headquarters Allied
Expeditionary Forces"], dated November 7, 1944, describing the plans of
German industrialists for the post-war resurrection of Germany. Among the
topics dealt with in this report are: patents, financial reserves,
exportation of capital, and the strategic placing of technical personnel." It
is obvious that Manning quoted from these documents in his book on Bormann.

In describing the meeting of August 10,1944, in Stasbourg, some sentences
in the documents stand out: "German industrialists must, it was said, through
their exports increase the strength of Germany. They must also prepare
themselves TO FINANCE THE NAZI PARTY which would be forced to GO UNDERGROUND
as Maquis [in Gebirgverteidigungsstellengehen]. From now on the government
would allocate large sums to industrialists so that each could establish a
secure post-war foundation in foreign countries. Existing financial reserves
in foreign countries must be placed at the disposal of the Party so that a
strong German Empire can be created AFTER the defeat. It is also immediately
required that the large factories in Germany create small technical offices
or research bureaus which would be absolutely independent and have no known
connection with the factory. These bureaus will receive plans and drawings of
'new weapons' as well as documents which they need to continue their research
and which must not be allowed to fall into the hands of the enemy" [author
emphasis].

The last sentences in this document are, "After the defeat of Germany the
Nazi Party recognizes that certain of its best known leaders will be
condemned as war criminals. However, in cooperation with the industrialists
it is arranging to place its less conspicuous but most important members in
positions with various German factories as technical experts or members of
its research and designing offices."

Some of the documents were concerning "Looted Gold" [1945-1948]. (Note: A
massive shipment of gold which disappeared from an Allied train which was
dynamited in a rail tunnel, was later used to finance such Thule Society
backed projects as the Montauk or Phoenix Experiments, as a means to counter
the Navy's own Philadelphia or Rainbow experiments. The CIA itself delivered
over into the hands of the Thulist 'Nazis' much of the Philadelphia
experiment's research and technology. - Branton)

Accession Number 56-75-101, Agency Container Number 169, File Number
BIS/2/00." These documents concern Germany's 'looted' gold being transferred
to the 'Bank for International Settlements' in Switzerland. One important
paragraph (#9) says: "It is clear both from correspondence and from testimony
that the management of the B.I.S. during the war was 'in the hands of the
Administration Council, in which the AXIS representatives have an
authoritative influence' and that in 1942 the Germans favored the reelection
of President McKittrick whose 'personal opinions' they characterized as
'safely known'."  (It has been claimed by some researchers that the 7 most
powerful Bankers in the world -- who collectively control over 80 percent of
all global financial transactions and over 60 percent of all global trade --
have in the past met regularly at the Bank of International Settlements or
'B.I.S.' office in the 

Re: [CTRL] More Dark Links

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 Talent may not necessarily be on loan from God - could be Satan instead. 

Satan is fiction.

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What Genocide?

November 3, 1999

The justification used for NATO’s illegal war against
Yugoslavia was that the Serbs were committing genocide against
ethnic Albanians in Kosovo. President Clinton assured the
American people that as many as 100,000 people had been
slaughtered. Later the figure was reduced to 10,000. We were
told that mass graves could be seen from our hi-tech
satellites. (These were the same satellites that didn’t know it
was the Chinese Embassy that we were bombing.)

During that time I wrote in this column and said on my talk
show that it was highly unlikely that genocide was taking place
and that Bill Clinton was lying through his teeth. I further
said that we could not trust Mr. Clinton or his compatriots at
NATO to tell the truth. For this I was vehemently criticized by
many, including a fellow radio talk show host across town.
Well, my friends, I hate to say it (no I don’t), but, I told
you so.

According to the Sunday Times of London, October 31 edition, "…
a pathologist who led the Spanish team looking for bodies in
the aftermath of the fighting … said, ‘I calculate that the
final figure of dead in Kosovo will be 2,500 at the most. This
includes lots of strange deaths that can’t be blamed on anyone
in particular.’"

Expecting his team to perform thousands of post-mortem
examinations and their work to continue to the end of November,
Perez Pujol said, "On September 12 I called my people together
and said, ‘We have finished here.’ I informed my government and
told them of the real situation. We had found a total of 187
bodies. Four or five had died from natural causes."

According to the Times report, "The UN is expected to report
next month that the total number of victims so far uncovered is
fewer that 2,000. Many were executed, but some died during the
fighting and others died in allied bombing."

The Times continues: "Alice Mahon, the Labour MP who chairs the
Balkans committee, said yesterday that the deaths were tragic
but did not justify the military action taken by NATO. ‘When
you consider that 1,500 civilians or more were killed during
the NATO bombing, you have to ask whether the intervention was
justified." Indeed.

In short, Bill Clinton, Tony Blair and the rest of the NATO
spokesmen lied to us! They manufactured a genocide that did not
exist! In fact, Clinton and his bloodthirsty comrades killed
more people during that illegal war than the Serbs had killed
during the preceding decade!

When will the American people wake up the fact that one cannot
trust the word of a pathological liar? And those who have sold
their souls to defend and protect a pathological liar cannot be
trusted, either. That the congress and people of this country
grant to Bill Clinton any degree of credibility or trust
demonstrates their own stupidity!

For the sake of opinion polls and media intimidation, the US
Senate must now face eternity with the blood of thousands of
innocent people on their hands!

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Federal Reserve official proposes
plan to tax the cash in your pocket

WASHINGTON, DC -- A Federal Reserve official wants to add
"tracking devices" to U.S. currency so the government can tax your
cash -- a bizarre scheme that could cause your money to plummet in
value and tighten the government's noose around the economy, the
Libertarian Party warned today.

"If the politicians gain the power to track and tax currency, then
financial privacy will be dead, your money will grow more worthless every
day, and the government's power over the economy will be virtually
unlimited," said Steve Dasbach, the party's national director. "This idea
deserves a swift kick in the cash."

According to Wired.com -- the online version of Wired
magazine -- Marvin Goodfriend, a senior vice president at the Federal
Reserve Bank of Richmond, wants the government to tax private possession
of cash via a high-tech tracking device on currency notes.

In a 34-page paper presented at a Federal Reserve System
conference in Vermont, Goodfriend wrote: "[A] magnetic strip could
visibly record when a bill was last withdrawn from the banking system. A
carry tax could be deducted from each bill upon deposit according to how
long the bill was in circulation."

Or, banks could mark bills with a visible "date issued" stamp when
distributed via tellers or an ATM, he said. Either way, the longer you
hold currency without depositing it in a bank account, the less that cash
would be worth.

Such a cash tax could discourage people from "hoarding"
currency and deter black market and criminal activities, Goodfriend
argued.

Besides its longstanding opposition to any new tax, the
Libertarian Party rejects Goodfriend's scheme for several reasons, said
Dasbach.

"The intent of this plan is to drive all commercial
transactions through the banking system, so the government could snoop on
-- and tax -- every aspect of the economy," he charged. "In the guise of
monitoring cash, the government wants more power to monitor and control
the economy.

"But this plan wouldn't just punish businesses that operate in the
cash economy: It's also a huge burden on people who don't trust banks or
who prefer the security or convenience of cash. Every American would
suffer from this proposal, as the government nibbled away, termite-like,
at the value of their cash."

Besides, said Dasbach, the government already has a "carry tax"
that decreases the value of your money: It's called inflation.

"Thanks to politicians' fiscal irresponsibility and the Federal
Reserve's ability to print more money at will, the value of your cash
already decreases every day because of government-caused inflation. To add
another tax to the inflation that's already eroding the value of a dollar
bill would add insult to injury."

The Libertarian Party isn't sure if Goodfriend's proposal is a
"trial balloon" from the government or a fanciful scheme from one renegade
Federal Reserve official, said Dasbach -- but it doesn't matter.

"Here's our two cents (which would probably be worth a cent and a
half under this proposal): If this is a trial balloon, it deserves to be
shot down immediately. The government needs to be told, in no uncertain
terms, that Americans will not stand for such an intrusive, costly
scheme," he said.

"If it isn't a trial balloon, then Mr. Goodfriend should be
fired immediately, because this kind of totalitarian scheme has no
place in a free country. Mr. Goodfriend may deserve a job in North
Korea or Cuba -- but the Federal Reserve shouldn't employ people who
advocate such un-American, constitutionally bankrupt proposals."

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[CTRL] Skeptic News - Wednesday #1

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: Nothing contained here is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy, or meaning.
: No annoying commentators were harmed during production of this bulletin.
  And let's keep it like that.
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$ EAT IT RAW: http://www.californiacarnivores.com
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  Today In History - 3 Nov.1888: Jack the Ripper kills last victim -
  or did he? You decide: http://va.crimelibrary.com/jack/jackmain.htm

  Tomorrow In History: 4 Nov.1922: Howard Carter finds tomb of Tutankhamen:
  emuseum.mankato.msus.edu/information/biography/abcde/carter_howard.html
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# Streiber Calls For Serious Scrutiny Of UFO Evidence. UFO writer Whitley
  Strieber challenged both the scientific community and news media to focus
  more attention on what he described as the "ever-increasing" evidence of
  encounters with extra-terrestrial beings. Then he morphed into a werewolf
  and attacked reporters. http://www.sightings.com/ufo5/streiber_u.htm

: How much attention is focused on UFOs now? How much time/money should be
spent on UFOs? How much would you spend? Would you like your taxes raised?

@ Follow The Bouncing Ball By Maj. Donald E. Keyhoe:
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@ Mjr. Donald E. Keyhoe DataPage:
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# Kinkel journal read aloud in court. EUGENE OR(AP) Rambling journal entries
  written by a teen-ager who killed his parents  2 classmates were read as
  his sentencing began, with passages describing his feelings of rejection 
  evil. "I am so full of rage... Blowing the school up or walking into a pep
  assembly with guns... That is how I will repay all you... They won't laugh
  after they are scraping pieces of their parents, sisters, brothers and
  friends from the wall of my hate." He shot 27 students - See
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2561893080-c5d

: Who ran Kip Kinkel's mindcontrol program? Was his derangement deliberate
or inadvertant? Were/are you a tortured youth? Have you killed? Did you try?

@ The Psychohistory of the Vampire:
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@ Who Wouldn't Want to be a Vampire?
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Faith-O-Rama:

# Mormon Temple Unease. NAUVOO, Ill. (AP) - More than 150 years ago, Mormons
  fleeing persecution settled here and carved a city from the wilderness
  between a high bluff  a bend in the Mississippi River. The centerpiece of
  that community was a great temple on the bluff's brow. The temple took 5
  years to finish, but by then church founder Joseph Smith had been slain
  and his followers were being driven out by neighbors suspicious of the new
  religion. Fire  storm later destroyed the temple. Now, the Mormon Church
  is planning a two-year, $23 million effort to rebuild the temple. And once
  again, the project is causing unease among neighbors. Some people fear a
  big influx of new residents and more tourists drawn by the temple, which
  plays a central role in the history of the 10-million-member LDS Church.
  See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2561889075-5ac

: Do you have a large temple in your neighborhood? D'ya want one, many? Why?

# China Busts Catholic Bishop. BEIJING (AP) Cops busted a 65-year-old bishop
  of China's underground Roman Catholic Church; his whereabouts are unknown.
  China frequently imprisons priests and worshippers who remain loyal to the
  Vatican and refuse to participate in the state-approved church, set up in
  the 1950s. http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2561887872-9bc

: Have you registered your belief system with the govt yet? Why not?

# 9 Arrested To Protect Pope. NEW DELHI, India (AP) Cops busted nine Hindu
  activists to avoid any trouble during Pope John Paul II's visit this week.
  They belong to Shiv Sena, an ally of governing Hindu nationalist Bharatiya
  Janata Party. The militants were arrested on breach of the peace charges.
  The Shiv Sena and two religious affiliates demand the pope apologize for
  killings  forced conversions in Portuguese colonies in India in the 16th
  century. http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2561892451-f2c
# 11 Busted: http://news.excite.com/news/u/991103/01/international-pope

: Which religious leader would you most like to protest/humiliate/damage?

@ JP2 - Millennial Pope: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/pope
# KGB Plotted To Kill Pope. ROME (Reuters) Soviet spies in the KGB plotted
  to destabilize the Roman Catholic church and even kill Pope John Paul II,
  according to Czech documents sent to Italy's secret services.
  http://news.excite.com/news/r/991103/08/international-pope-plot

: Is your belief system stable? Would killing your leader have any effect?

Re: [CTRL] Tales of the Underclass

[Lucio Benedetto]

 -Caveat Lector-

And perhaps capitalism could be defined as corporate monopoly communism . .
.

Regards,

Lucio

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 Whether it will be capitalist or communist seems to be an unresolved side
 issue.

 This is a false dichotomy. "Communism" is nothing more than state monopoly
 capitalism.To learn about  REAL  communism read Acts: 2:44-46.

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Re: [CTRL] Tales of the Underclass

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And perhaps capitalism could be defined as corporate monopoly communism .
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One coin, two sides.

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[CTRL] Skeptic News - Wednesday #2

[Ric Carter]

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SkeptiNews 991103b - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
: Nothing contained here is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy, or meaning.
: No prevaricating diplomats were harmed during production of this bulletin.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ Earthquake Map: http://www.iris.washington.edu/seismic/60_2040_1_8.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Doom on wheels stalks slugs. (BBC)  Scientists in the United Kingdom are
  developing a prototype robot slug-destroyer, which draws its power from
  the decomposing bodies of its victims.

# Also - Robots' destiny of drudgery:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_465000/465305.stm
# Tokyo previews robomates for all:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_485000/485832.stm
# Kick-off for Robo World Cup
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_406000/406222.stm

@ Links - Farmers Weekly: http://www.fwi.co.uk/
@ Slug Control http://www.oxalis.co.uk/slug.htm
@ University of the West of England http://www.uwe.ac.uk/

: What's your favorite robotic slayer? Have you designed/built/bought/used
any robotic destroyers lately? Are they better than warriors, aliens, me??
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# NORAD UFO Explanation Collapses. (PNN) Is this an alien spacecraft
  entering the atmosphere and using the returning satellite debris as a
  cover for its movements, or a secret human-designed craft doing the same
  thing? There is at present no way to tell. http://caus.org/pn110399.htm

: What's your favorite bogus UFO explanation? Are you part of a UFO coverup?

# Recurring UFO Dreams: http://caus.org/pc110399.htm
# Two Reactions: Awe and Shock: http://caus.org/mu110399.htm
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Diplomat Defends Falun Gong Ban. WASHINGTON (AP)  As a group of Falun Gong
  demonstrators protested nearby, a Chinese Embassy (US) diplomat said China
  banned the spiritual movement after its leaders caused the deaths of 1,400
  followers by brainwashing them into refusing medical treatment. He also
  tried to debunk the notion that Falun Gong is nonviolent, alleging that
  10,000 members mobilized last April to seize a Communist Party compound
  in China. http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2561890372-6f1

: Do you meditate violently? Do you brainwash your followers? Is it fun??

# Falun Gong Resumes Protests As Schroeder Visits. BEIJING (Reuters) Members
  of the outlawed Falun Gong spiritual movement resumed a campaign of civil
  disobedience in Tiananmen Square Wednesday as China prepared to welcome
  German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder to Beijing. Peacefully hauled away -
  see http://news.excite.com/news/r/991103/05/international-religion-china

: Does your belief system threaten the established order? Should it? Why?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ Religious Suicide and the Afterlife. Belief in the afterlife and the
  transience and inferiority of physical existence go hand in hand. This
  makes it possible for individuals to either commit suicide or commit
  murder in a violent act of martyrdom to enter the cosmic realm.
http://www.math.auckland.ac.nz/~king/Preprints/book/death/after/aftlife.html

: Do you believe in an afterlife? Are your ready to commit homicide? When?

@ Scientology: Another Dangerous UFO cult. Did you know that Scientology
  was about evil space aliens, demonic posession, and ravaging alien battle
  fleets? Well, you are not alone - Scientology's beliefs to UFOs and Demon-
  ology are closely guarded secrets, and you can be sued for spilling the
  beans. In fact, most people involved with Scientology have not put in the
  effort and the approximately $200,000 needed to learn about Xenu and the
  Markabs. http://miso.wwa.com/~vickie/cos/ufocult.html

: What's your favorite dangerous UFO cult? Do you belong to such a cult? Do
you have many lawyers? Are they vicious? Are you? Are your deities? Why??

@ Illuminati / New World Order concordance:
  http://www.access.digex.net/~steve-b/INWO_Illuminati.html
@ Cult FAQ: http://www.trancenet.org/groups/faqcult.shtml
@ New Age Wackos - "Is it easier to believe that nature has gone out
  of her course or that a man would tell a lie?" - Thomas Paine
  http://www.watchingyou.com/newage.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Atrocities-R-Us:

# US Releases Nazi Papers. WASHINGTON (AP) A govt panel has released 126,000
  pages of previously classified documents that could shed light on Nazi-era
  war crimes. The panel still has almost 600 million pages more to review.
  See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2561878588-07e

# CIA budget disclosure considered - obfuscation expected:
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2561882620-6e6
@ Konzentrationslager - LEGO Concentration Camp kits:
  http://users.erols.com/kennrice/lego-kz.htm

# Pentagon appoints No Gun Ri panel - probe Korean War massacre:
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2561891295-467
@ The 

[CTRL] (Fwd) [BRIGADE] 2 from Sam Francis

[Alamaine Ratliff]

 -Caveat Lector-

Apparently, some in the media would want you to believe one thing when in all
actuality, another thing represents the truth.  Although PJB is a little
different than your run o' da mill politician, from all accounts, he seems to
have a little better grip on American (and perhaps Australian, New Freelander,
and other nationalities) need to establish a foreign policy that is not a
'kinder and gentler, sooner than later, thousand points of light {over
Baghdad}' scorched earth (usually theirs) for the non-allied.  AER 
--- Forwarded Message Follows ---
Dear Brigade,

Almost missed two excellent columns from our good friend Sam Francis (they
were buried in my inbox).

GO PAT GO!
Linda

-

From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date sent:  Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:37:38 EDT
Subject:Pat pieces
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Linda -- if you're still putting out pieces about Pat on your list, I'm
sending you two you can send out. The shorter one is a coulmn I've just
done on Pat's switch to Reform. The longer is an article appearing in the
current (November) issue of Middle American News reviewing the reviews and
press about his book.  Hope they're useful. Sam

-

SAMUEL FRANCIS

Buchanan and his enemies

FOR RELEASE Friday, October 29, 1999

 When Beltway pundits first began to realize, about a month ago, that Pat
Buchanan was serious about leaving the Republican Party and running for
president in the Reform Party, the consensus that immediately congealed
held that he was doing so because he no longer had any significant
following in the GOP itself.  Thus, neo-conservative editor Bill Kristol,
the world's leading Beltwayoid, wisecracked that Mr. Buchanan's "real
problem is that in the Republican party, he has increasingly found himself
a demagogue without a demos."

 Yet for a demagogue without a demos, Mr. Buchanan continues to
attract a good deal of attention.  This week he actually did leave the
Republican Party and declare his candidacy in the Reform Party.  The day
after, the New York Times, the Washington Post, USA Today  and the
Washington Times, among other major newspapers, all made the story their
lead, with front-page pictures of the new candidate.

 The Wall Street Journal devoted almost the whole of its op-ed page on the
day of his actual announcement to an article rehearsing the now-quite
tedious (and quite thoroughly refuted) claim that Mr. Buchanan is an
"anti- Semite."  The next day the Journal denounced Mr. Buchanan yet
again, and the day after sported an editorial ranting about him and the
Reform Party.  The New York Times and the Washington Times carried lead
editorials that swiped at Mr. Buchanan's "divisive social views" and
snorted once more that his lack of a following among Republicans made him
"the Harold Stassen of Republican presidential politics."

 Actually, Harold Stassen was the Harold Stassen of Republican
presidential politics, but the larger point is that the major media are
simply obsessed with Pat Buchanan and with convincing everyone that he is
really unimportant and has no following and that no one needs to pay any
more attention to him at all -- except for the front page stories about
him, the lead editorials repudiating him and the op-eds denouncing him.
Could it be that they suspect that the "demos" -- otherwise known as the
American people -- entertains rather different ideas about Mr. Buchanan
after all?

 Could it be that the establishment media of both the left and right know
full well that many Americans are disgusted by what the stale and phony
"alternatives" the other two parties continue to offer and that once
voters have a chance to hear the real Pat Buchanan instead of the lies and
libels the Beltway media spread about him, the "demos" will dump the two
main political parties in precisely the same historical wastebasket as the
late, unlamented and largely forgotten Mr. Stassen?

 American conservatives who have traditionally voted Republican today have
every reason to follow Mr. Buchanan into the Reform Party.  In his
announcement speech this week, Mr. Buchanan not only trumpeted his
distinctive issues of economic nationalism, an "America First" foreign
policy and immigration reform -- issues that most real conservatives, as
opposed to their Beltway "leadership," support -- but also beat the drum
for more conventional conservative principles: reduction of the size and
scope of the federal government, control of the federal judiciary, the end
of affirmative action, the defense of American national sovereignty, the
restoration of constitutionalism, and others.

 There simply is no candidate in the Republican Party today who
endorses the conservative orthodoxy that Mr. Buchanan supports in the
Reform Party.  Even if there were, he or she would have virtually no
chance to shape the party and its leaders, since, 

Re: [CTRL] [InTheShadows] Skeptic News - Wednesday #1

[Hilary A. Thomas]

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 From: "Ric Carter" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Question

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Yes, and I find this damn annoying!

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Re: [CTRL] US Declassifies Operation Paperclip

[Tatman, Robert]

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I'll be interested to see whether the declassified material includes
information on the recruitment of former Waffen-SS personnel and other
(mostly) East Europeans into the original Army Special Forces in the early
1950s, when serious thought was given to conducting covert operations
against the Soviets in the Ukraine.

The Ukrainian Partisan Army (UPA), which was both anti-Nazi AND anti-Soviet
(although extremely right-wing in its politics), had continued to wage a
guerrilla war against Moscow well after the German surrender. The UPA
collapsed after the Soviets assassinated its leader [whose name escapes
me--sorry] in Munich in 1948, leaving the commandos whom the CIA had been
training in Bavaria at loose ends.

When the Special Forces were created, based on the multinational
(U.S.-U.K.-Canadian) special combat teams established during WW2, they were
apparently envisioned as a kind of "Foreign Legion" which could absorb
usable elements of defeated or defunct national armies and anti-communist
resistance groups; and many of the UPA fighters were brought into the
original 1st Special Forces Brigade, along with former Waffen-SS.

(Remember that in the last years of the war, numerous "non-Aryan" formations
had been set up within the Waffen-SS to replace German troops. These
"honorary Aryans" were largely drawn from anti-Soviet national elements
within the Soviet Union, such as the Tatars. There was also a Russian
contingent under Vlassov. Among the recruits to the new Waffen-SS units was
the father of the former Chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff John
Shalikashvili; the elder Shalikashvili had been an officer with the White
Russian army during the Russian Civil War and had fled to Poland following
the collapse of the Whites.)

How much of the Special Forces operation was coordinated with the
Gehlen-Apparat is uncertain, but given the depth of Gehlen's penetration of
the Soviet Union one can assume that nothing was undertaken without first
consulting him.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 11:56 PM
 To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject:  Re: [CTRL] US Declassifies "Operation Paperclip"

  -Caveat Lector-

 In a message dated 11/2/99 5:16:28 AM Eastern Standard Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 writes:

  Of the 126,000 pages declassified in the first year of its work, 80,000
 deal
   with ``Project Paperclip,'' in which the government brought over German
   scientists, some of whom later were identified as war criminals and
 sent
   home, said a statement released Monday by the National Archives.
 

 Of course the papers dealing with the people we kept on staff and allowed
 into our most secret agencies who were most definitely war criminals WILL
 NOT
 be included in this batch.



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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Illuminati and Fl 990--The Konformist

[Tatman, Robert]

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Ah yes... Well, remember that you can find evidence to prove absolutely any
hypothesis, provided you look hard enough fnord...

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[CTRL] EgyptAir Anomalies? No Credit Terrorism

[lloyd]

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..

Forwarded from the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]:
From: Book Search Co-ordinator [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: EgyptAir Anomalies?  "No Credit" Terrorism
Date: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 6:55 AM

I heard a "terrorism expert" on Fox News state that taking
credit for terrorist acts is a thing of the past.  The Echelon
system, he alleged, makes it very difficult to for anyone to
"take credit" without setting-up an electronic trail for the
authorities.

Then, the morning host asked a great question:  What
would our government's response be to terrorism under
these conditions of "no credit being taken".  The expert
refused to answer!  He said he would rather not speculate.

How about "denial that terrorism happened?"

Lloyd Miller

From: Ian Goddard [EMAIL PROTECTED]


(please forgive repost, the last file was (=3D...) corrupted)

Right after the sudden crash of Flight 990 not far from Long
Island, I did a search of the Coast Guard's Local Notice to
Mariners for District 1 to see if there were any live-fire
warnings (http://www.navcen.uscg.mil/lnm/default.htm). I
found no warnings during the month of October. However,
there is a report from NewsMax of air-traffic control
being overheard rerouting planes because "there are
rockets being fired in the area." Here's that report:

http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=1999/11/1/101212

After receiving many reports from people hearing that Flight
990 landed at Edwards Air Force Base in California but then
the story was denied, I went to search the AP wire. Indeed,
the AP reported that Egyptian TV quoted EgyptAir officials
who said that the plane made a stop at Edwards Air Force
Base after departing from LA. The relevant excerpts from
those articles are below (the URLs will go down 14 days
after initial post). Reuters then reported the denial
from an FAA official, who said "This Edwards story has
got to stop." One would assume that EgyptAir officials
would have immediate knowledge of their plane's itinerary.
Another oddity was that only one person got off at JFK, and
he works as a grief counselor for families of air-crash victims.
He was speaking at a press conference hours after the crash, and,
according the report below, never mentioned he'd been on the plane.
That's got to be one of the more bizarre twists I've ever heard of:
one man walks off the flight, a guy whose job will be to console the
families of those who didn't get off. MSNBC calls it an "odd twist."
Also included below is a time-line for the plane reported by the AP.
===

REUTERS

Sunday October 31 10:16 AM ET

US Coast Guard Finds Body From EgyptAir Crash

By Leslie Gevirtz
...
Earlier reports from Cairo had the plane coming from
Los Angeles International Airport to JFK airport via
Edwards Air Force Base in California. But the FAA
said those were reports were wrong.

``This Edwards story has got to stop. This plane
didn't go into Edwards,'' FAA spokesman Bruce
Nelson in Los Angeles said. ...

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/19991031/wl/plane_missing_6.html
==

ASSOCIATED PRESS

Plane Disappears Off East Coast

By Laura Vozzella
Associated Press Writer
Sunday, Oct. 31, 1999; 6:37 a.m. EST

...
Egyptian television quoted EgyptAir officials as saying
that after the flight left Los Angeles it made a landing
at Edwards Air Force Base in California before continuing
on to Kennedy. However, there was no immediate
confirmation from Edwards.

According to FAA officials in Washington, the plane's
takeoff from Kennedy was delayed by two hours
because it arrived late from Los Angeles. ...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/19991031/aponline063714_000.htm
==

ASSOCIATED PRESS

Plane Disappears Off East Coast

By Laura Vozzella
Associated Press Writer
Sunday, Oct. 31, 1999; 7:04 a.m. EST

...
According to FAA officials in Washington, the plane's
takeoff from Kennedy was delayed by two hours
because it arrived late from Los Angeles. The cause of
the delay was not immediately known but Egyptian
television quoted EgyptAir officials as saying the
plane landed at Edwards Air Force Base in California
after leaving Los Angeles; there was no confirmation
from Edwards. ...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/19991031/aponline070406_001.htm

==
You'd think EAFB would be able to quickly confirm or deny.
==

MSNBC Repub of AP article (no date given):

Timeline of EgyptAir jet’s final hours

...
Saturday
8:02 a.m. EDT -- Plane, diverted because of
inclement weather, lands at Newark International
Airport.
10:25 a.m. EDT -- Plane leaves Newark, N.J., bound
for Los Angeles International 

Re: [CTRL] [CIA-DRUGS] EgyptAir Rocket Report Not a First

[Dave]

 -Caveat Lector-

Lots of speculation that all of these COULD have been caused by "black science" energy 
weapons research which has been going on in one form or another at Montauk, (Long 
Island), about 100 miles from JFK int'l airport. Montauk is famous for the 
"Philadelphia Experiment" and well known as a the location of a mind control research 
project.

http://www.terminator3armageddon.com/conspira/twa800.html

http://www.hamptons.com/members/mproject/

Also, a "fireball" effect is thought to be associated as a side-effect of Tesla-tech
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/bskies1.html

lots of interesting stuff on the NexusMagazine site..  Including a good discussion on 
Mind Control
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/MindControlNWO.html
"Captain John McCarthy, US Army Special Forces (Ret.), who ran CIA assassination teams 
out of Saigon during the Vietnam War, told his friend, LAPD whistleblower Mike 
Ruppert, that "MKULTRA is a CIA acronym that officially stands for 'Manufacturing 
Killers Utilizing Lethal Tradecraft Requiring Assassinations'". Thus the CIA's 
official obsession with producing programmed killers through the MKULTRA contained 
more than 149 sub-programs in fields ranging from biology, pharmacology, psychology to 
laser physics and ESP."


Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 3:28 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [CIA-DRUGS] EgyptAir Rocket Report Not a First


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I think it was Mike that informed us about the explosion prior to JFK Jr's
plane going down...??

Something fishy IS going on here...

Tuesday November 2, 11:47 AM

EgyptAir Rocket Report Not a First

On Monday, NewsMax.com editor Christopher Ruddy reported that U.S. air
traffic controllers were diverting planes to new flight paths just hours
after EgyptAir flight 990 disappeared from the sky.

Why? Listening to control tower radio traffic piped through the headset on
his own London-bound flight, Ruddy overheard one controller advising pilots
to follow new altitude coordinates. When a crew member asked why he was told,
"There are rockets being fired in the area."

This amazing account stunned many NewsMax.com readers. But it shouldn't have.
Because the incident wouldn't be the first time air traffic control radio
chatter indicated some sort of missile activity off Long Island's coast,
causing controllers to alter flight routes.

On April 26, 1999, TWA 800 researcher Michael Hull, writing for NewsMax.com,
reported a similar episode that took place just months after TWA 800 went
down:

"TWA Flight 848 was to be involved in another incident four months after the
downing of TWA Flight 800. On November 16, 1996, Pakistan International
Airlines Flight 712 left Kennedy at 9:25 p.m. bound for Frankfurt. One of the
pilots reported an orange light, which he described as a 'rocket,' coming
from the left-hand side to the right-hand side of the airplane and he stated
that the 'rocket' had ascended through the aircraft's altitude. Boston
apparently confirmed two unidentified blips on radar. The tapes were turned
over to the FBI and NTSB since the object(s) rose directly out of Long Island
Sound."

"TWA Flight 884 (New York to Tel Aviv) was following close behind the
Pakistani flight and was diverted by a controller. The government dismissed
the incident as a meteorite observation, which leaves unanswered how the
meteor ascended out of Long Island Sound."

In an even more frightening example, Hull documents a hair-raising close
encounter between a missile-like object and an Aug. 9, 1997 Swissair flight
bound for Zurich, Switzerland.

"September 27, 1997 (Neue Zuricher Zeitung) Swissair has revealed that an
unidentified flying object almost collided with one of its planes over the
United States last month. The captain and his co-pilot said an oblong and
wingless object shot past at great speed — only fifty metres away from their
Boeing Seven-Four-Seven. The American air traffic authorities said it was
probably a weather balloon."

"March 5, 1999 www.cbcnews.com Ottawa (CP) A Swissair pilot reported his 747
jet was nearly hit by an unidentified flying object, possibly a missile, near
the area off New York where a TWA airplane crashed in 1996, The Canadian
Press has learned. Swissair Flight 127 was cruising at 23,000 feet on Aug. 9,
1997, when the pilot interrupted an address to passengers to report the near
miss by a round white object, says a report by the U.S. National
Transportation Safety Board. 'Sir, I don't know what it was, but it just flew
like a couple of hundred feet above us,' he radioed Boston air traffic
control. 'I don't know if it was a rocket or whatever, but incredibly fast,
opposite direction.' 'In the opposite direction?' asked the controller. 'Yes
sir, and the time was 2107 [Greenwich Mean Time]. It was too fast to be an
airplane.' (Tape was provided by 

[CTRL] Skeptic News - Wednesday #3

[Ric Carter]

 -Caveat Lector-

SkeptiNews 991103c - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
: Nothing contained here is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy, or meaning.
: No antediluvian megaliths were badly damaged to produce this bulletin.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

 Jesus of the Week: http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/extra/gilstrap/jesus.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Archeologists Make New Finds At Miami Circle. MIAMI (Reuters) Charred wood
  fragments suggesting the construction of dugout canoes and carbon-dating
  tests on bones and charcoal show that the downtown Miami Circle was
  probably the site of a thriving American Indian town, archeologists
  said: http://news.excite.com/news/r/991103/00/science-life-circle

: What's your favorite prehistoric circle? Did aliens gather there? When?

# Underwater Structures Found Off Malta. Recently, structures resembling
  a megalithic temple have been found on the seabed in Maltese waters and
  they are being studied to see if indeed they are a form of megalithic
  temple. http://www.sightings.com/politics5/malta.htm

: What's your favorite megalithic structure? Is it under- or above-water?

@ How to make a real arrowhead from a beer bottle:
  http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~t64tr/bottle.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Ultra-tiny machines are becoming big hope for scientists. WASHINGTON --
  After years of preliminary research, hope and hype, business  industry
  are starting to enter the strange, invisible world of the very... Very...
  VERY small. "Nanoscience and technology will change the nature of almost
  every human-made object in the next century." Are you teeny-weeny yet?
  http://www.mercurycenter.com/svtech/news/breaking/merc/docs/029581.htm

: How do you know that alien nanobots aren't already coursing through your
veins, controlling your neurobiology, your every thought and deed? Huh??

# Spyware Grabs Keystrokes, Mouse Motion, Even Phone Calls:
  http://www.sightings.com/politics5/spyware.htm
# How Much Is Your Playlist Worth? How About Your Privacy?
  http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,32258,00.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Medic-o-Rama:

# Cutting-Edge Day Trips. LONDON (Reuters) Frenchmen seeking a vasectomy
  can now take a day trip to Britain for the operation but Paris media
  refuse to tell them about the "away day" with a difference. Why not?
  http://news.excite.com/news/r/991103/07/odd-britain-vasectomy

: What's your fave vacation experience? Was surgery/implantation involved?

@ Doctor Over Time. It didn't really matter what ailed you. If you were sick
  in 1900, your doctor couldn't do much except provide comfort til your body
  defeated the illness, or until the illness defeated you. The doc had a few
  goodies in his little black bag, though: morphine  aspirin to ease pain,
  quinine to fight malaria, smallpox vaccine, digitalis for heart failure.
  How that black bag has grown in this century! There are drugs  treatments
  for almost every illness known. Today's medics draw upon a vast arsenal of
  drugs, vaccines, and diagnostic tools that could not even be dreamed of in
  1900. This activity shows how doctors over this century would have handled
  the same afflictions. All you have to do is complain to the doctor, then
  see how he or she responds. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aso/tryit/doctor/#

: Do you long for the good old days of natural healing? How long d'ya think
you'd've lived then? D'ya prefer medics, faith-healers, aliens, robots, me?

@ ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE HOMEPAGE. Sources of information on unconventional,
  unorthodox, unproven, or alternative, complementary, innovative and
  integrative therapies. http://www.pitt.edu/~cbw/altm.html
@ The latest news about alternative and complementary medicine:
  http://www.healthcentral.com/Centers/OneCenter.cfm?Center=Alternative

: What's your favorite unothodox, unproven, untested medical treatment?

# Lawmaker mulls open doctor database - secret govt database lists doctors
  who have been disciplined for incompetence, malpractice or other problems.
  See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2561891822-566

: What do you know about your doctor? Does remove viewing help you? How?

# Paramedics Rush Toy To Hospital. LONDON (Reuters) A group of UK paramedics
  had the fright of their lives this Halloween, when they mistook a child's
  toy found on a London subway station platform for a human fetus and rushed
  it to hospital. http://news.excite.com/news/r/991103/07/odd-alien

: Do you perform practice abortions on Barbie or other dolls? With what?

# Rats Dive into Cell Phone Debate. An experiment with rats swimming in
  milk shows cell phones may damage long-term memory and the ability to
  navigate. What does this strange study mean for humans? What else?
  http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,32280,00.html

: Should rats be allowed to have cell-phones? Do they already? Do you?

# 6 Gene Therapy Deaths 

Re: [CTRL] More Dark Links

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

No, Satan exists...not necessarily because of any Gnostic/dualistic
requirement for a Principle of Evil to balance the Principle of Good, but
simply because so many people believe he exists. The more we focus on evil,
the more we become obsessed with it, the more we proclaim a culture war
against immorality...the more power we give to the devil we have created by
our belief in evil. This is the Tar Baby Principle: you are attached to what
you attack. Without the devil, the Church is meaningless; the Church *needs*
the devil, just as Kenneth Starr needs Bill Clinton. To quote the apocryphal
Wisdom of Solomon, "Do not invite death by the error of your ways, or bring
on destruction by the works of your hands; For God did not make death, and
he does not delight in the death of the living. He created all things that
they might exist; the creatures of the world are wholesome, and there is no
destructive poison in them, and the palace of Death is not on earth. For
righteousness is immortal." The more we look for evil, the more we will
find...and the stronger evil will become. Far better to live in the virtue
of that life and power that takes away the occasion of all wars and all
hatred and all greed, to look for good and peace and love and thereby
strengthen *their* presence in creation.

 -Original Message-
 From: Kris Millegan [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 10:28 AM
 To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject:  Re: [CTRL] More Dark Links

  -Caveat Lector-

 In a message dated 11/3/99 4:04:58 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Talent may not necessarily be on loan from God - could be Satan
 instead. 

 Satan is fiction.

 Om
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[CTRL] NewsAlert - FBI's Project Meggido for the Milennium ...

[Dave]

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Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
http://www.ioa.com/~davehart


 The following text is from the FBI web site. It is the introduction to the
FBI's 32 page "Project Meggido" report.

  (The attached analysis, ENTITLED PROJECT MEGGIDO, is an FBI strategic
assessment of potential for domestic terrorism in the United States
undertaken in anticipation of or response to the arrival of the millennium.)
  To read the report you will need Acrobat Reader.
 http://www.fbi.gov/library/megiddo/publicmegiddo.pdf
  ***
  TABLE OF CONTENTS

  I.  Executive Summary - Page 3
  II.  Introduction - Page 6

  · When Does The New Millennium Begin? -  Page 7
  · Blueprint for Action: the Turner Dairies - Page 8
  · Apocalyptic Religious Beliefs - Page 8
  · New World Order Conspiracy Theory - Page 10
 and The Year 2000 Computer Bug
  · Gun Control Laws - Page 12

  III.  Christian Indentity - Page 14
  IV.  White Supremacy - Page 18
  V.   Militias - Page 21
  VI.  Black Hebrew Israelites - Page 23
  VII.  Apocalyptic Cults - Page 26
  VIII.  The Significance of Jerusalem - Page 30
  IX.  Conclusion  - Page 32

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Re: [CTRL] Christians Unwelcome in Israel

[JAH Publications]

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Dear Ynr,

For Christ's own personal opinion of Xmas please access:-
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/xmas.htm

Peace be upon you,

JAH.


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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Christians Unwelcome in Israel


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 "Rabbis view Christian festivities in Israel as a threat to the Jewish
 foundations of the state.  They are claiming that even Christmas trees
 'defile Judaism.'



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Re: [CTRL] Tales of the Underclass

[Tatman, Robert]

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More like a shared monopoly or oligopoly, to match the oligarchy that pulls
the political strings. At the turn of the 21st century, we seem to have come
full circle, back to the era of the Trusts and Robber Barons. The last 20
years have seen a concerted effort, led by the Republican Party but with the
active connivance of the Democrats, to repeal the last century, to roll back
all economic restrictions and all regulation of business, while at the same
time narrowing the scope of individual civil liberties in the name of Free
Trade and the Market... Theodore Roosevelt must be spinning in his grave.

 -Original Message-
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 Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 11:24 AM
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  -Caveat Lector-

 And perhaps capitalism could be defined as corporate monopoly communism .
 .
 .

 Regards,

 Lucio

 - Original Message -
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 Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 9:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [CTRL] Tales of the Underclass


  -Caveat Lector-
 
  Whether it will be capitalist or communist seems to be an unresolved
 side
  issue.
 
  This is a false dichotomy. "Communism" is nothing more than state
 monopoly
  capitalism.To learn about  REAL  communism read Acts: 2:44-46.
 


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[CTRL] NEW DEAD SEA SCROLL CONTAINS ASTRAL IMPLICATIONS

[earthman]

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NEW DEAD SEA SCROLL CONTAINS ASTRAL IMPLICATIONS

[CNI News thanks Israeli journalist Barry Chamish for sending this
story.]

by Barry Chamish
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

A "lost" Dead Sea Scroll has reportedly been uncovered, and if it is
proven
authentic, it reveals a new understanding of how the ancient Israelites
viewed their God, his angels and their place in the heavens. Called the
"Angel Scroll," it is a thousand lines long, was purchased in Jordan in
1970
by a group of Benedictine monks and spirited away to their German
monastery.

Upon his death in 1997, one of the group, Father Gustav Mateus,
bequeathed
his photographs and hand transcriptions of the scroll to an unnamed
Jerusalem
college administrator. He handed the material over to Stephan Phann, a
member
of the team of scholars translating the scrolls held by the Israeli
government, and his findings were released to the newsmagazine The
Jerusalem
Report.

Phann has declared, "If the scroll is a hoax, it's a very good one.
It's a
serious literary work." But others are more skeptical. The existence of
Father Mateus has not been proven and The Jerusalem Report, little more
than
a source of disinformation for the Labor Party, is hardly a reliable
venue.
That said, experts are in general agreement that the text of the scroll
so
far released "feels" genuine.

What little of the scroll that has been released reveals its storyline
as a
journey to the heavens, accompanied by angels. According to Phann, the
text
is full of "divine chariot-throne themes with elaborate details of
angels
ascending heaven's multiple gates." This should be of great interest to
the
minions (most inspired by Von Daniken) who take a literal view the
Bible's
words, putting the many references to wheels within wheels, flying
scrolls,
pillars of fire, etc. into a UFO context.

Longtime Israeli ufologist, now a student of Kabala, Mordechai Spasser
believes it would be a mistake to interpret the new scroll from a UFO
viewpoint. "What I've read appears to me to be philosophy on an astral
plane,
or simply, Jewish mysticism."

Keeping that possibility in mind, or melding it with the popular UFO
readings
of extant Jewish holy scriptures, here are two passages from the Angel
Scroll, with my literal interpretation following both:

"And the Angel Pnimea said to me: 'And son of man, lift up your eyes
and see
all the secrets...that are in the fourth gate which is the gate of
birth. And
I saw, and it was like the womb and the chambers of the stomach, and
its
waters gush and roar like the breakers of the sea on the wall of the
cave,
which cannot withstand its fury. And here is a seed of life in the
water
emanating from the seed of man and from the seed of the woman for male
and
female that He created. And the seed that is joined from the two seeds
is not
like a clean slate. It is written inside and outside and it has within
knowledge and understanding before its creation and before its creation
in
the womb. And the beginning of the child is not in the birth or in
conception
nor is its end in death."

It appears that the narrator was shown an advanced real-time version of
our
pathetic ultrasound technology. He stands before a gate, or unknown to
him, a
monitor and sees male ejaculation into the womb, including a closeup of
sperm
and egg. He witnesses conception and is then told the secrets of DNA
and
genes. Pointedly, God has created both within mankind.

"According to the plan of that day, the Voice went forth to me and
directed
me and he drove me by the Spirit. And a vision was revealed to me from
the
Most High, and Pancimeia, Prince of Angels lifted me up in the Spirit
and I
ascended heavenward above the high places of the clouds, and he showed
me the
great world and the image of the gods. And I pondered the appearance
round
about and there was no time and no place and their appearance from the
dwelling places of light was like a rainbow in the clouds. And they had
no
bodies and no bodily structure and the dominion of darkness was over
all of
the earth round about."

Now this is one accurate description of a trip in the Space Shuttle.
First
the traveler passes above cloud level. He observes the high places of
the
clouds, possibly those ridges unseen at ground level. Then he sees the
earth
from space and it is surrounded by darkness. He is shown images of the
gods
and their homes on a control monitor and marvels at the fine color
quality
and at the bizarre fact that there is no firmament to the images on the
screen.

That said and interpreted, I for one am looking forward to reading the
full
text of the Angel scroll.

[Barry Chamish, one of Israel's leading UFO researchers and
investigative
reporters, has websites at http://members.tripod.com/~ufoisrael and
http://www.webseers.com/rabin ]



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[CTRL] coincidence or not

[Rock4Life]

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Well another day, another shootingthis time in Washington
statereported on cnnhn.the web is being woven, ever so
surely

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[CTRL] Gunman Kills One, Injures At Least Four In Seattle

[Steve Wingate]

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Gunman Kills One, Injures At Least Four In Seattle

Updated 2:25 PM ET November 3, 1999

SEATTLE (Reuters) - At least one person was killed and four were injured
Wednesday when a gunman in camouflage gear opened fire near Lake
Union in Seattle, police said.

"Five people have been injured, one who is deceased," said Seattle police
spokeswoman Carmen Best.

She said the shootings took place at or near a shipyard.

The gunman, described as a man in his 20s or early 30s, escaped after the
shooting.

"We've cordoned off the area and have our officers trying to apprehend
him," she said.

Police had no immediate information on a motive, she said.


Steve Wingate

California Director
SKYWATCH INTERNATIONAL

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[CTRL] (Fwd) Release: EEOC immigrants

[Kathleen]

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New EEOC regulation will force employers to
re-hire illegal immigrants (which is a crime!)

WASHINGTON, DC -- Talk about a schizophrenic
government: The
EEOC has just announced that if any U.S. company fires an illegal
immigrant because of "discrimination," that employer will be forced
to
rehire him -- even though hiring illegal immigrants in the first place
was a crime.

Confused?

You're not the only one, says the Libertarian Party: The
government seems to be confused, too -- since it has officially
announced that it plans to force Americans to break the law.

"According to the government, if you fire illegal immigrants
for the wrong reason, which is a crime, you can be forced to rehire
them, which is a crime," said Steve Dasbach, the party's national
director. "So, you can go to jail for hiring an illegal immigrant and
you can be fined for firing one. This pair of paradoxical regulations
is enough to make you paranoid."

Last week, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission
(EEOC)
issued new guidelines to protect illegal immigrants from workplace
discrimination -- even though it's a crime to hire them in the first
place -- arguing that non-residents are "especially vulnerable to
abuse and exploitation." Employers could face a $300,000 fine if
they
fire an illegal immigrant with discriminatory "malice."

According to the EEOC, illegal immigrants are protected by
Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, even though they are not
American citizens and, technically speaking, are breaking the law
by
even being in the country.

And if illegal immigrants are fired for discrimination-based
reasons, they are eligible for back pay and attorney's fees -- and
must be reinstated to their jobs, even though, under U.S. law,
employers face up to five years in prison for "knowingly" hiring an
illegal immigrant.

"Employers are caught between a rock and a hard place,"
said
Dasbach. "The rock is the head of the bureaucrat who dreamed up
this
preposterous regulation. The hard place is the Federal Register,
where
it's hard for ordinary Americans to make sense of all the federal
laws
that control every aspect of our lives -- often at cross purposes to
other laws."

So Libertarians aren't surprised by this damned-if-you-do,
damned-if-you-don't EEOC regulation?

Of course not, said Dasbach: It's just one more example of a
disease called "government schizophrenia."

"The government stopped making sense a long time ago," he
said.
"Consider: The federal government has spent millions of dollars to
subsidize tobacco farmers, while spending millions of dollars to
preach against cigarette smoking. The government pays farmers
not to
grow crops, and then gives poor people money to afford the high
cost
of food. The government wages a War on Drugs, then classifies
drug
abuse as a disability, so you can't fire drug abusers."

So what's the solution? Like with any mental illness, the
first
step is to recognize that you have a problem, suggested Dasbach.

"The problem starts with people who turn to the government to
solve a social problem -- because every time you give the
government
the power to do something you like, you also give it the power to do
something you'll hate.

"Ironically, that's why the very people who wanted the federal
government to save them from the scourge of illegal immigrants
actually helped create the EEOC rule that protects illegal
immigrants.
Why? Because they gave the government more power, money, and
control.

"And the very people who wanted the federal government to
save
them from the scourge of discrimination actually helped create the
laws that make it illegal to hire undocumented aliens, which
encourages discrimination. Why? Because they gave the
government more
power, money, and control.

In each case, said Dasbach, once politicians had that
additional power, money, and control, they used it in ways you
could
never predict, to accomplish policy goals you probably opposed.

"One definition of insanity is: Doing the same thing over and
over and expecting a different result," he said. "As this new EEOC
regulation proves, that's also a good definition of what happens
when
you ask the government to solve social problems -- whether it is
discrimination or illegal immigration."

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[CTRL] (Fwd) FBI Creating Demons To Save Us From?

[Kathleen]

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From http://www.allsouthwest.com/columnists/bward.html
-
FBI Creating Demons To Save Us From?

Last Weeks Column: Time to Get Serious

By Bob Ward
Host of the Texas Journal Radio Show KIXL 970AM  Austin
Editor of The Texas Journal Print Publication
AllSouthwest News Columnist
Email Bob
Bob Ward Archives

The FBI is busy trying to convince Americans that the republic is
threatened by unspecified but dangerous groups of paranoids,
religious
fanatics, militias and, of course, the obligatory "white supremacists"
who might become violent in connection with the coming of the new
millennium.

   Last week the FBI announced a new program alerting local police of
the threat from these"extremist" groups who are targeting  non-whites,
Jews and the Federal government.  The connection between race and the
end of the millennium is not spelled out.

   The program was dubbed "Project Megiddo" which is the biblical site
of the battle of Armageddon, the final clash between the forces of
good and the forces of evil. Presumably, the FBI sees itself as the
forces of good.

   In a subsequent statement intended to clarify its first
   announcement
of
Project Megiddo the FBI softened its language in regard to the
militias.

The majority of militias, the FBI said, "engage in and support law
abiding activities."  This conciliatory tone was apparently meant to
protect the

FBI's attempt to establish a rapport with the militias, a program the
agency announced several weeks ago.  The purpose, they said, was to
demonstrate to militia members that Federal agents are human beings
and Americans and that we all believe in the same things. This is a
program militias would be advised to be cautious about because while
the FBI agents are establishing all that rapport they are also
collecting names, addresses and personal data and information about
armaments.

   The clarifying statement also contained additional information
   about
Project Megiddo which was described as the product of extensive
research

about individuals and groups  who attach "special significance" to the
year 2000.  This significance, the FBI said, is based on their
"apocalyptic"religious beliefs or a "conspiracy theory" about the New
World Order.

   Throughout history, governments have been suspicious of religion,
which diverts loyalty and allegiance from the government. It is also
an alternative and competing source of authority.

There is no reason to believe the government of the United States is
any

different.  If it were we could safely repeal the First Amendment.

   And when it comes to "apocalyptic" beliefs, the FBI can bat in
anyone's league. The agency warns of "violent white supremacists who
seek to initiate a race war, apocalyptic cults which anticipate a
violent Armageddon, radical elements of private citizen militias who
fear that the United Nations will initiate an armed takeover of the
United States and establish One World Government, and other groups.
That's quite a list of horribles without a

single name of a person or organization that would allow an interested
or skeptical citizen to check or verify.  And of course, naming a
person or groups would permit someone to respond to these accusations.

   We are left to take it on the word of the FBI that these groups and
individuals are out there and plotting dreadful things and we should
welcome whatever the FBI does to counteract them.

   But to do accept thee claims as gospel, we have to ignore the fact
that for six years the FBI lied to us about incendiary device at Waco,
or the

fabricated reports of a drug laboratory that were used  to justify the
use of military equipment and training at Waco.

   And we would have to forget the deceptive tactics they used against
Richard Jewell, the suspected Olympic bomber. They told him they were
making training film and he was to role play a suspect who waives his
rights. Fortunately, the ruse did not work and Jewell avoided being
framed by the FBI.

   And about that One World Government concern.  If they really want
   to
convince people otherwise, instead of demonizing unnamed people,  they
might advise Under Secretary of State Strobe Tallbot to put a cork in
it because he recently predicted that in the coming century nations
will be abolished and "single, global authority" will be established.

   Should Americans be characterize as dangerous paranoids for paying
attention to what high level government officials tell us?

   This latest announcement from the FBI follows by several months the
disclosure of a mobilization program in the Pacific northwest which it
described by the special agent in charge in Seattle as the locale of
many incidents of terrorism. Presumably, she was not including the
murder by Federal agents of Randy Weaver's wife and son, but that
doesn't mean we can't.

   As in the more recent announcement, there were references to
   "groups,

radical, paranoid and, as usual, 

Re: [CTRL] coincidence or not

[Dano]

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Rock4Life wrote:

  -Caveat Lector-

 Well another day, another shootingthis time in Washington
 statereported on cnnhn.the web is being woven, ever so
 surely


Ear ache my eye!

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[CTRL] AOL meets with homo groups 11/09; secret agenda

[Bard]

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AOL Slates Gay Meeting
by Lakshmi Chaudhry
8:25 a.m. 2.Nov.1999 PST
America Online will be meeting with gay rights groups on 9 November, but
only the world's largest Internet service provider knows who is invited or
what issues will be discussed. And AOL officials aren't talking.

The meeting comes at a time when the company is facing fierce criticism from
civil rights groups on issues of censorship and hate speech.

The controversy began when a gay AOL user in Texas complained to his local
ACLU chapter that the ISP had deleted his user profile because it included
the self-description "submissive bottom."

A subsequent investigation by Wired Strategies, an Internet consulting firm,
and Hatewatch, an online anti-hate group, turned up various member profiles
on AOL that contained anti-gay content.

Last week, NationalGayLobby.org, an online gay rights organization, called
for a nationwide boycott of AOL and its advertisers if the company refused
to address the concerns of the gay community by 15 November.

The Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation has been trying to arrange a
meeting between AOL executives and civil rights groups such as Wired
Strategies, HateWatch, and Planet Out to discuss the company's terms of
service policy, said Will Doherty, GLAAD's director of online community
development.

But whether next week's meeting will bring these groups together for
discussion remains unclear. And the company is refusing to answer any
questions on the subject.

"We have a regular and ongoing dialog with the gay and lesbian community,"
said AOL spokesman Andrew Weinstein, "but we don't discuss our schedule or
our agenda with the press."

AOL doesn't seem to be sharing that information with anyone right now.

Doherty said the meeting was not called in response to recent incidents, but
had been scheduled months ago. And while GLAAD has been invited to the
event, Doherty is not certain who else will be there or whether the recent
incidents will be discussed at length.

Regardless of what the official agenda may be, Doherty said that GLAAD plans
to use the meeting to raise the gay community's concerns: AOL's censorship,
filtering, and anti-hate policies.

"Because these issues are of such crucial importance to our community, GLAAD
will attend the November 9 meeting with AOL. And we hope the other groups
involved in examining these issues will be present," Doherty said.

But Wired Strategies and HateWatch, who were not on the original guest list,
have not yet received their invitations.

"We hope to attend the meeting," said Goldman, "but as of now we don't know
who is invited."

It would be strange if the people who've been the most involved in the
issues of online bigotry and played an early role in discussing them were to
be excluded, he said.

The more radical NGL is not holding its breath. The organization has already
issued a press release describing AOL's invitation policy as "bizarre at
best, and divisive on its face."

And the group has no plans to call off its boycott, said NGL executive
director Michael Romanello, "because our likelihood of believing anything
that comes out of that meeting is nil."
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,32273,00.html

Bard

We don't need a 3rd party;  we need a 2nd Party.

The DNC and the GOP defined:
 Two wings of the same bird of prey,
The National Socialist DemocRatic Republican Party.

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[CTRL] Bill of Rights,,,we don' need no steenkin' beel o' rites

[Nurev Ind Research]

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11/3/99

You can always tell which clique of elites are running the country
by what they think the public should know is important.


White House has a section called "major government
documents" on its website. They are:

*The Declaration of Independence
*The United States Constitution
*North American Free Trade Agreement
*General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade
*OMB Budgets

Shows the Elites' priorities.

Joshua2


Feel free to add the documents which are Just a wee bit more
important in the history of the country.

*Proclamation of Emancipation.
*
*

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[CTRL] FW: Cell Phones: Hazards and Health Risks

[Tatman, Robert]

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 -Original Message-
 From: Bill Koehnlein [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 8:41 PM
 To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject:  Cell Phones: Hazards and Health Risks

 Activist Mailing List - http://get.to/activist

 http://nzine.co.nz

 Cellphones - A Boon To Modern Society Or A Threat To
 Human Health?


 Public concern about this question led to an
 international scientific workshop on possible
 biological and health effects of RF electromagnetic
 fields. This was held in Vienna and attended by
 international scientists.

 Report on an interview with Dr Neil Cherry who attended
 this workshop.


 Why was the workshop held?

 Public concern in Austria about the health effects of
 cellphones and cell towers led a group of five senior
 academics to call an international workshop on the
 biological and health effects of electromagnetic
 radiation, including cellphones and cell towers.


 Who organised the workshop?

 The workshop was arranged by a group of academics,
 mainly health professionals, who are also experts in
 risk management and risk assessment. They came from
 five departments of the University of Vienna and one
 department of the University of Salzburg. They have an
 international reputation which was built up through
 their work in the chemical and nuclear industry. They
 are very experienced in risk research, but new to the
 area of electromagnetic radiation.


 Who was invited?

 About twenty five international experts who were
 independent of industry and the military were invited
 to the workshop at the University of Vienna. The
 organisers were delighted that they managed to attract
 the leading experts mainly from the United States,
 Canada and European countries, who were doing the
 fundamental research. These experts were to present the
 latest research but also to put it into the historical
 context.

 Because of the public concern about the cellphones and
 cell towers in Austria money was raised from health
 funding authorities to hold this scientific workshop.


 What was Dr Cherry's role?

 He was invited because of the paper he had presented in
 Auckland in February 1998 to an electromagnetic
 radiation workshop. It was entitled, "Should cellphones
 have health warnings?" The paper he presented in Vienna
 was entitled "Should cellphones have health warnings
 because of the evidence of the risk of brain tumour?"
 He found that he was included among these people whom
 he holds in high esteem in a specific role - to
 integrate the scientific results of many disciplines to
 show the interlinking of the information. As a New
 Zealand university researcher who is totally
 independent, Dr Cherry has the role of reviewing and
 cross-linking the results of the work of the others.


 Survey of cellphone users in Norway and Sweden

 Dr Kjell Hansson Mild reported on an extensive survey
 of ten thousand cell phone users in Norway and Sweden
 conducted because of the concern about symptoms such as
 dizziness, discomfort, concentration problems and
 memory loss experienced by people using cellphones.
 Even larger responses included fatigue and headache and
 a sense of warmth on and behind the ear along with a
 tingling sensation and burning of the skin. These
 symptoms were of particular significance because the
 ordinary use of the telephone does not produce the
 sense of warmth. It is the microwave radiation from
 cellphones, at sufficient intensity to produce warming,
 which, in this research, is associated with
 neurological symptoms.

 In the extremely large sample in the report, when the
 data was ordered by the number of calls per day and by
 the number of minutes per day on average spent on the
 cellphone every symptom showed an increase with usage.
 Both in the Swedish and the Norwegian users there were
 very strong increases of symptoms with usage. For up to
 two minutes usage a day 6% of users developed
 headaches, for two to fifteen minutes usage a day the
 number of users affected increased to 10%, for fifteen
 to sixty minutes a day it rose to 17%, and for more
 than sixty minutes a day to 22%. For the other symptoms
 - dizziness, discomfort, loss of concentration and
 memory loss - the proportion of users affected was
 lower, but all showed an increase of symptoms with
 increased usage.

 Fatigue was a major effect in Mild's survey of
 cellphone users. This was also found in people living
 near the Schwarzenburg radio tower in Switzerland, for
 people exposed chronically to low intensity radio.
 Microwaves have been associated with headaches for over
 thirty years, and there are a growing number of
 cellphone users who are reporting symptoms of
 confusion, memory loss, disorientation and dizziness.


 Dr Cherry's paper

 In his paper he presented ten epidemiological studies
 in which exposure to radio or microwaves had been found
 to produce a statistically significant increase in
 brain tumours in exposed occupations and military

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[JAH Publications]

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That is exactly what Satan wants you to think so you won't see him coming.

JAH.

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 Satan is fiction.

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Re: [CTRL] fw: [TheEagle-L] Re: Illuminati/EgyptAir 990

[JAH Publications]

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Dear Nicola,

I noticed the corporate symbol.

Please visit my site at
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/ausnz.htm

Peace be upon you,

JAH.



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 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

 In case no one else noticed:

 EgyptAir has as it's corporate symbol, the Falcon of
 HORUS (occult symbol for "Illumined/Christed Man",
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[CTRL] Conspiracy angle on anthrax scare

[Dave]

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Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
http://www.ioa.com/~davehart

found at:
http://hills.ccsf.cc.ca.us/~jinouy01/rifeanthrax

  Conspiracy angle on anthrax scare

  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Glenn Campbell, Las Vegas)
  Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:26:56 -0800
[Starting new Ufomind page: www.ufomind.com/para/conspire/anthrax/]

From: "Liberty Freedom" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [Multiple]
Subject: GOVERNMENT ANTHRAX HOAX: Larry Wayne Harris was trying to create a
CURE!
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 03:47:06 PST

Dear Fellow Americans,

I found the following information on USENET. PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING
ARTICLE! It is VERY  IMPORTANT to the SURVIVAL of our COUNTRY, FREEDOM,
and LIBERTY! It explains how Larry Harris was NOT some "lunatic" or "mad
man" but a REAL SCIENTIST that was trying to create a CURE for ANTHRAX!

PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING ARTICLE AND INFORMATION! IT IS VERY VERY
IMPORTANT THE SURVIVAL OF AMERICAN, OUR RIGHTS, and our FREEDOM!

Please post and email this across the internet so that everyone can know
this important information.

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:43:46 EST
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: THE TRUTH ABOUT THE ARREST OF THE BIOTERRORISTS
X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120

PRESS RELEASE -- PLEASE REPOST!

THE TRAITORS MOVE AGAINST
THE PEOPLE UNDER A CLOAK OF
DECEPTION AND TREACHERY.

THE CALL MUST BE GIVEN!

READ THIS if you never read another thing from me again.
Admittedly, I do not have all the facts right now.  but time
constraints require that I release known information NOW.

Also, please forgive the disoranization of this report.  The way
the info came in together with severe time restraints have
prevented better clarity.

Let me first say that ANY person who attacks the validity of  the
information contained in this  document without full and
irrefutable documentation should be considered the enemy.   We do
not have the time or luxury of dealing with the detractors or
counterintelligence forces.   I have been involved in this
(mostly behind the scenes for the past few months) for a relative
long time. I was writing so much about these issues during last
summer that web sites were started around the materials being
brought to light even though I never posted documents on my own
web site.



First some background.  We know that the enemy is excellent at
counterintellegence.  We know that the enemy specifically puts
out cover stories as they attempt to destroy out ability to fight
back.  In this case, you will see that this event is a result of
entrapment and propaganda to neutralize two real assets in the
fight for our freedom.

This happened several months ago as I became involved in the
biochemical warfare issues.  We now know that their goals last
summer were to gain information about out communications and to
discredit the few true Americans fighting for our freedoms while
installing false leaders to lead us astray. The two biggest
victims of this were Larry Harris and Peter Kawaja.

Because of current events, I must decloak and tell you what is
really going on because I can no longer keep silent even though I
was just a couple of days from helping in an initial exposure of
one of their key stooges.

Let me give you the latest from the  Headline News (CNN) report
as of 5:00.

According the the story:

White Separatist Larry Wayne Harris and William Levitt were
arrested in possession of biohazardous materials possibly
including anthrax.The two men were testing the materials and
had intended to use them in against American targets in New York
City.

FBI HazMat teams have been called in and sealed a White Mercedes
believed to contain the materials.They received a tip from a
man in Las Vegas indicating that Harris had bragged about his
abilities with biological weapons.  [The man was most likely an
undercover government operative. Larry and William have
concludeded EXACTLY WHO THIS PERSON IS!  See below.] The report
further indicated that Harris was on probation on a federal
charge involving Bubonic Plague.

By 6:30, the story had changed.  They were now "manufacturing and
stockpiling weapons."  But there was no longer any current threat
to New York City (I guess they found out by then that he was
scheduled to meet with HUNDREDS of people in Florida TONIGHT so
they knew the New York attack part of the story would not wash.
Also, inthe later story, it mentioned that Larry Harris had
written extensively about the "DANGERS OF BIOLOGICAL AGENTS".  If
 you recall, the detractors of Harris this summer used DOSING
LEVELS of antibiotics as their main attack point!  Does this
sound like someone out to hurt people or help people survive?

Here folks are the FACTS.

THIS MUST BE SPREAD TO EVERYONE YOU CAN REACH.   THE CALL MUST BE
GIVEN NOW. WE ARE NOW IN A STATE OF WAR AND OUR SURVIVAL IS AT
STAKE.

1.   I stand on my reputation as being one who has put my life on
the line and stood against 

[CTRL] Update On Birdseed Seizure By Bird Brains

[Steve Wingate]

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(This is clearly an attempt by the US Government to disrupt the emerging
hemp industry. It will not work. Take action now! (This means war, people!) -
-SW)

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Date sent:  Wed, 03 Nov 1999 13:54:54 -0800
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:[illusions] Update On Birdseed Seizure By Bird Brains
Send reply to:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Pubdate: Wed, 27 Oct 1999
Source: Detroit Metro Times (MI)
Copyright: 1999 Metro Times, Inc.
Section: Metro Beat
Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fax: (313) 961-6598
Website: http://www.metrotimes.com/
Author: Gretchen A. Van-Monette
Cited: Ohio Hempery http://www.hempery.com/
Please See: http://hempembargo.com/

SEIZURE: FOR THE BIRDS

The U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency has flexed its 'zero tolerance' muscles in
an effort to protect Americans from THC - the psychoactive component of
marijuana - by halting a truckload of sterile, and, for all intents and
purposes, THC-free hemp seeds on their way to a birdseed manufacturer in
Baltimore.

Seventeen tons of seed have been sitting in a metro Detroit warehouse since
the shipment from Canada was seized in early August. Meanwhile, the
Canadian and United States hemp industries are left to wonder what impact
this action will have on their business.

Jean Laprise, owner of Kenex Ltd. in Chatham, Ontario, and producer of the
confiscated hemp seeds, is flabbergasted by this entanglement in an
otherwise smooth re-emergence of the Canadian hemp industry. Canada
endorsed the growing of industrial hemp almost a year and a half ago.

Since then, Kenex has been delivering shipments of hemp seeds, cosmetic-
and food-grade oil and horse bedding to customers across the United States.
U.S. Customs first demanded that Kenex turn over its records and recall
shipments as far back as 1998, or face a fine in excess of $500,000.

This is impossible, laments Laprise in a recent New York Times article,
because the products have been used. How can you recall hemp seeds, an
essential ingredient in the popular Nutiva hemp bar, that were already
consumed?

Conditions for release of the seeds, valued at $25,000, have apparently now
changed. According to Laprise, the DEA notified him last week that in
exchange for releasing the hemp seeds, Kenex must pay a seizure cost
between $5,000 and $10,000 and sign a 'hold harmless' agreement, which
basically says the government agencies did nothing wrong and they can’t be
sued at a later date. But even then, Laprise says Kenex has no guarantee
future shipments will not be stopped at the border.

"Those are unacceptable conditions that we are being forced to accept,
under protest," Laprise says. The DEA gave the orders to U.S. Customs
officials to seize the shipment, based on the notion that industrial hemp
seeds may be 'contaminated' with THC, the component necessary to get high
from smoking marijuana. Canadian grade industrial hemp is regulated to 0.3
percent THC; commercial pot generally has 8 percent to 20 percent THC.

In a statement, the DEA asserted the U.S. Controlled Substance Act of 1937
defines hemp as marijuana. Hemp advocates maintain that sterilized hemp
seeds are specifically excluded from Schedule I classification of marijuana
in the Controlled Substance Act.

Industrial hemp seeds are also specifically highlighted in NAFTA as a legal
U.S. import, hemp advocates say.

Industrial hemp has been imported for years from such countries as Britain,
France, Germany, the Soviet Union, and lately Canada. Because hemp
production is outlawed in the United States, importation is the only option
available to American companies that use hemp products.

This move by the DEA is raising a ruckus in government circles in Canada.
In a letter to Commissioner Raymond Kelley of the United States Customs
Service, Canadian Minister Douglas Waddel expressed concern: "The treatment
of this company, and in particular the lack of due process and the failure
by the U.S. to follow normal Customs procedures, are matters of particular
concern to Canadian authorities. Moreover, Canada considers this seizure
action to be contrary to U.S. NAFTA and WTO obligations."

Some hemp entrepreneurs worry this incident will stymie the industrial hemp
movement. Don Wirtshafter, founder of the Ohio Hempery, is quite disturbed
about what happened.

"The (DEA) has shaken all confidence in the hemp and the hemp food
industry," says Wirtshafter. "We were just at the point of success and they
knocked our legs out from under us."


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 ARTICLE 6
 ~~~
 A "HACKWORTHING" STORY
 ~~~
 SUMMARY: A good story of creative foraging from Vietnam.
 ***
 By Major John P. Isakson, USA (Ret)

 Just finished reading you article in the Sun-Sentinel about "Hackworthing"
 and thought of a similar situation when I was an Advisor in the Binh Khe
 sub-sector, part of the Binh Dinh Province back in 1966. Advisor Team 27 to
 be exact.

 We had five guys at the time, a Major who was the Team leader, I was a
 Captain and Exec. Off. a Master Sgt. (E-8), Heavy Wpns Specialist and
 "Tunnel Rat," Staff Sgt. (E-6) our medic and a Sgt. (E-5) our
 communications expert. That was it. We were located halfway between Qui
 Nhon and An Khe, about 100 meters from Hwy 19, working out of a French Team
 House built back in the 50's.

 Our biggest problem was getting food. Fish heads and rice with Nook
 Man (sp?) and small tweety birds went just so far. We noticed that
 twice a week a Reefer truck came rolling down Hwy 19 heading towards the
 First Air Cav. Obviously carrying food supplies of some type. It was time
 to do some heavy foraging. I positioned myself off the highway, in my jeep
 behind some rocks with a good view of the highway, while Master Sgt. Witt,
 also positioned off the highway, and armed with an AR-15 and a 30x sniper
 scope.

 About mid-afternoon was when the reefer usually passed our location, and
 when it came within range, Witt would take out one of the front tires. Once
 that was accomplished I was off to provide some assistance to the GI, who
 by this time had his window rolled up, his steel pot on and flak jacket
 zipped all the way up. I might also add he was scared to death.

 After calming the young man down and telling him I wouldn't let anything
 happen to him, I would help him change the tire on his truck. Usually the
 conversation would get around to what he was hauling. "I've got steaks, and
 chickens Captain," was his reply and music to my ears.

 I then proceeded to tell him how there were only five of us and eating Viet
 food every meal was really getting old. "Not to fear, I have hundreds of
 cases of steaks and chickens, just tell me how many you need and its
 yours," was his response. "One case of each will be more than enough and
 greatly appreciated," I said.

 I didn't see him again, maybe he rotated back to the U.S., however, we
 replayed the "hit and eat" routine many more times before I left Vietnam,
 with each team member rotating through both roles. The Medic turned out to
 be quite a sharpshooter.

 This is my "Hackworthing" contribution for the day.
 
 ARTICLE 7
 BARNUM, HARVEY C., IR.

 Rank and organization: Captain (then Lt.), U.S. Marine Corps, Company H, 2d
 Battalion, 9th Marines, 3d Marine Division (Rein).

 Place and date: Ky Phu in Quang Tin Province, Republic of Vietnam, 18
 December 1965.

 Entered service at: Cheshire, Conn.
 Born: 21 July 1940, Cheshire, Conn.

 Citation: For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life
 above and beyond the call of duty. When the company was suddenly pinned
 down by a hail of extremely accurate enemy fire and was quickly separated
 from the remainder of the battalion by over 500 meters of open and
 fire-swept ground, and casualties mounted rapidly. Lt. Barnum quickly made
 a hazardous reconnaissance of the area, seeking targets for his artillery.
 Finding the rifle company commander mortally wounded and the radio operator
 killed, he, with complete disregard for his safety, gave aid to the dying
 commander, then removed the radio from the dead operator and strapped it to
 himself. He immediately assumed command of the rifle company, and moving at
 once into the midst of the heavy fire, rallying and giving encouragement to
 all units, reorganized them to replace the loss of key personnel and led
 their attack on enemy positions from which deadly fire continued to come.
 His sound and swift decisions and his obvious calm served to stabilize the
 badly decimated units and his gallant example as he stood exposed
 repeatedly to point out targets served as an inspiration to all. Provided
 with 2 armed helicopters, he moved fearlessly through enemy fire to control
 the air attack against the firmly entrenched enemy while skillfully
 directing 1 platoon in a successful counterattack on the key enemy
 positions. Having thus cleared a small area, he requested and directed the
 landing of 2 transport helicopters for the evacuation of the dead and
 wounded. He then assisted in the mopping up and final seizure of the
 battalion's objective. His gallant initiative and heroic conduct reflected
 great credit upon himself and were in keeping with the 

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 TABLE OF CONTENTS  ARTICLES
Hack's Column
Lap Dogs or Tigers  1
Mac Notes   2
 From The Field:
Hope For The Future 3
Why Are Marines Different   4
Another Example of Veterans Getting The Shaft   5
A "Hackworthing" Story  6
 Medal of Honor:7
Barnum, Harvey C., Capt., USMC
Co. H, 2d Battalion, 9th Marines, 3d Marine Division (Rein).
Ky Phu in Quang Tin Province, RVN, 18 December 1965.
 Commentary:
Public Tragedy Renews Bonds of The Blue Angels  8
 ===
 ARTICLE 1
 
 "LAP DOGS OR TIGERS?"
 
 By David H. Hackworth, 02 November 1999

Everyone on Sen. John Warner's (R-Va.) Armed Services Committee is worked
 up because British Lt. Gen. Mike Jackson didn't blindly follow the orders
 of NATO commander U.S. Gen. Wesley Clark.

Last June, Clark ordered Jackson, then the NATO commander in Kosovo, to
 push the Russian troops out of Kosovo's main airport. Jackson told Clark,
 "No, I am not going to do that. It is not worth starting World War III."

Remember, Russia still has thousands of nuclear-tipped ICBMs pointed at
 us, and it would make many a hard-liner's day if the launch order was
 given. Jackson -- who's since been promoted to full general, presumably, in
 part, for the wisdom of this decision -- wisely concluded that the gain of
 winning King of the Mountain against the Ruskies wasn't worth the possible
 pain.

Sure, discipline is essential in the military. But soldiers should not be
 robots and blindly follow dumb or illegal orders.

 Back in 1817, Napoleon said, "Insubordination may only be evidence of a
 strong mind."

Of course, look who's talking. Insubordination came naturally to me from
 buck private to full colonel. I found it easy to find ways around obeying
 or passing on orders that would cause my guys unnecessary hassle or blood.
 Or orders that were just flat stupid, like Gen. Westmoreland's early
 Vietnam War, guaranteed-to-get-troopers-killed rule of engagement order:
 "Don't fire at the enemy until he fires first."

Maybe I was born with rebellion in my genes. Family legend has it that in
 the 1770s, my Revolutionary War ancestor John Hackworth told his CO,
 "Captain, ya'r attackin' the wrong hill. Ain't goin' with ya'. But follow
 me, I'll take ya' up the right 'un."

In Korea or Vietnam, if I got an order that was stupid -- like sending my
 soldiers into minefields to count enemy dead -- I'd "Wilco" (will comply)
 that order -- in this case from Col. Ira Hunt, my superambitious fruit-case
 boss at the time -- then tell my troops to ignore same. My loyalty was to
 my troops and their tender bodies, not some Perfumed Prince's career. And I
 know a lot of limbs and lives were saved that way.

British Admiral Lord Horatio Nelson won one of the most decisive naval
victories of
 the 19th century after "not seeing" his commander's signal to "discontinue
(the) engagement" during the Battle of Copenhagen in 1801. He explained
later, "I have only one eye; I have a right to be blind sometimes."

In 1914 at Tannenberg, German corps commander Gen. Hermann von Francois
 repeatedly disobeyed orders. He ended up bagging 90,000 prisoners,
 destroying a complete Russian army and winning a major victory.

During the Korean War, my patrol captured a squad of Chinese soldiers. By
 the time we got back to our front lines, it was dark. It was a nine-hour
 hike to the battalion C.P., and since some of the POWs were wounded, it
 would have taken more than half of the men in my rifle platoon to get them
 back for interrogation. Because my CO needed my soldiers to defend the
 front, he ordered me to shoot them. I told him to get stuffed.

If Lt. William Calley's soldiers had refused to follow his insane order --
 which killed between 300 and 400 unarmed Vietnamese women and children at
 the village of My Lai -- one of our country's most shameful acts wouldn't
 have happened. And perhaps the Jane Fonda gang's term "baby killers"
 wouldn't have become part of the cruel legacy of the Vietnam War.

During my first four years in the Army, I had total obedience hammered
 into me. But 20 years later, I'd learned that the best way to run an outfit
 was to drop the Prussian "Yes, Sir; No, Sir" nonsense. At the end, I
 encouraged my soldiers to challenge my orders and sound off. It worked.
 Many a time a 

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George Szamuely Demolishes Podhoretz's Allegations
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"Is Patrick Buchanan an anti-Semite?" Thus the opening sentence of Norman
Podhoretz’s page-long screed in Oct. 25’s Wall Street Journal. The answer,
about 3000 words later, is no surprise. Yes, Buchanan has indeed "become an
anti-Semite."

One wonders why Podhoretz even bothered writing the article. That "Buchanan
is an anti-Semite" is by now a cliche. For this, we largely have Podhoretz to
thank. Back in January 1991, Commentary–the magazine Podhoretz edited for 35
years–published an article, "Patrick J. Buchanan and the Jews," by Joshua
Muravchik. It was here that for the first time a case was made against
Buchanan accusing him of "anti-Semitism." Though it seemed extraordinary that
for more than 25 years–until Muravchik came along, in fact–a man as
outspoken as Buchanan could have succeeded in concealing from the rest of the
world his rabid "anti-Semitism," in no time at all the Commentary insights
became conventional wisdom: Buchanan was an "anti-Semite."

The charge of "anti-Semitism" is an extremely serious one. Webster’s defines
"anti-Semitism" as "hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a
religious, ethnic, or racial group." Has Pat Buchanan demonstrated "hostility
toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial
group"? His many Jewish friends say no. This cuts no ice with Podhoretz. He
dismisses the "some of his best friends [are] Jews" claims as the
"traditional…apology" for anti-Semites.

However, Podhoretz fails to name any anti-Semite whose best friends really
were Jews. One would have thought Buchanan’s Jewish friends are in the best
position to know whether his friendship is genuine or not.

This is how the anti-Buchanan method works. Surmise, suggestion and
insinuation take the place of facts. Where are the clear statements by
Buchanan that are readily identifiable as "anti-Semitic"? Where is guff about
the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the Jewish World Conspiracy, rootless
cosmopolitans? What we get instead are snippets of sentences pulled from his
voluminous writings and innumerable tv appearances. Taken out of context,
their meaning distorted, they are then all mixed up together in the hope that
the resulting stew will be sufficiently toxic.

In his Journal article Podhoretz offered a number of examples of the method.
I will cite only two. Like many others before him, Podhoretz refers to a past
column in which Buchanan is supposed to have lavished praise on Hitler.
Buchanan describes Hitler as "an individual of great courage, a soldier’s
soldier in the Great War…[a] genius." However, what Buchanan really said in
this 1977 column was, "Though Hitler was indeed racist and anti-Semitic to
the core, a man who without compunction could commit murder and genocide, he
was also an individual of great courage, a soldier’s soldier…" etc.
Significantly, the word "genius" appears somewhat later and in a different
context. Buchanan says, "[Hitler’s] genius was an intuitive sense of the
mushiness, the character flaws, the weakness masquerading as morality that
was in the hearts of the statesmen who stood in his path."

Buchanan wrote this column to attack the policy of "appeasement." Indeed,
throughout the column he sounds a lot like Podhoretz: "Men like Chamberlain
and Daladier needed a moral justification for their acts of weakness and
betrayal… Almost alone among European statesmen, Churchill saw that–under
the guise of restoring Germany to her rightful place among nations–Hitler was
marching along the road toward a New Order where Western civilization would
not survive. The vision lacking in the statesmen of ’37 appears lacking as
well in the men of ’77."

Now, one could say that Buchanan has changed his view of Chamberlain.
However, by no stretch of the imagination could the piece be described as
"soft on Hitler." Yet how many people will take the trouble to dig up a
column from more than 20 years ago and see for themselves what Buchanan
actually said?

Podhoretz makes another familiar charge against Buchanan. Writing about the
Gulf War, he describes the time that Buchanan allegedly listed "four
prominent Jews who thought war might be necessary. Almost immediately…he
counterpoised them with ‘kids with names like McAllister, Murphy, Gonzales
and Leroy Brown,’ who would actually do the fighting if these Jews had their
way." According to Podhoretz, this "juxtaposition of the prominent Jewish
figures who favored the war with the non-Jewish ‘kids’ who would be sent to
die in the Persian Gulf" was a "traditional anti-Semitic canard."

"When it came to digging up anti-Semitic filth from the foul swamps where it
was buried," Podhoretz concludes, "Mr. Buchanan was deterred neither by facts
nor by the stench arising out of his 

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 CELL PHONE NIGHTMARE
 By Russell Mokhiber and Robert Weissman

 Ready for a real scary Halloween story?

 Remember the Larry King Live show in 1993 on cell phones? David Reynard
 was the guest. He had filed a lawsuit against NEC, a cell phone operator,
 and other companies, alleging that his late wife's brain tumor was caused
 in part by her use of a cell phone.

 The Reynard's lawsuit was dismissed in 1995, but Reynard's appearance on
 the show created nationwide concern. At the time, there were 15 million
 Americans using cell phones.

 The day after the Larry King Live show, the Cellular Telecommunications
 Industry Association (CTIA) went on the offensive. Industry executives
 said that there were thousands of studies that proved that wireless phones
 were safe. In fact, there were no such studies about cell phone safety.

 But CTIA understood the basic reality of the situation, and so it decided
 to spend $27 million over the next six years on health studies.

 They hired George Carlo, figuring he would be a perfect fit. Carlo is a
 public health scientist, who had a good track record as an industry
 researcher. Most of his clients over the years have been industry clients,
 and few have been disappointed with his work.

 In 1994, Carlo began conducting studies to determine whether cell phones
 pose a health risk to consumers. Four times a year, Carlo would trudge
 over from his Dupont Circle office in Washington, D.C. to the offices of
 CTIA to debrief the CEOs of the major telephone and electronics firms that
 make up the $40 billion a year mobile phone industry. And things went
 well, until 1995.

 In 1995, Carlo found that digital phones were interfering with cardiac
 pacemakers.

 "We then conducted about $2.5 million worth of research to quantify that
 problem, and as a result, I had somewhat of a falling out with the
 industry," Carlo told us this week. "They didn't like that finding." The
 industry cut off Carlo's funding.

 But through a process of negotiation, Carlo got back in. The industry
 would again fund his studies, but only if he agreed not to research the
 questions of defibrillators and digital phones, and of cell phones and
 automobile safety, and he could no longer work on a very extensive program
 to standardize the methodology for testing whether or not cell phones met
 industry-defined standards.

 Carlo said that it took him two months to decide that he needed to
 continue the work, even under CTIA's conditions, and so he did.

 What he found may prove to be the cell phone industry's worst nightmare.

 He found that the risk of acoustic neuroma, a benign tumor of the auditory
 nerve that is well in range of the radiation coming from a phone's
 antennae, was 50 percent higher in people who reported using cell
 phones for six years or more. Moreover, that relationship between the
 amount of cell phone use and this tumor appeared to follow a dose-response
 curve.

 He found that the risk of rare neuro epithelial tumors on the outside of
 the brain was more than doubled, a statistically significant increase, in
 cell phone users as compared to people who did not use cell phones.

 He found that there appeared to be some correlation between brain tumors
 occurring on the right side of the head and use of the phone on the right
 side of the head.

 And, most troubling, he found that laboratory studies looking at the
 ability of radiation from a phone's antenna to cause functional genetic
 damage were definitely positive, and were following a dose-response curve.

 Carlo said that he has repeatedly recommended that the industry take a
 pro-active, public health approach on the issue, and inform consumers of
 his findings. He says that he uses a cell phone, but only with a headset.

 "Alarmingly, indications are that some segments of the industry have
 ignored the scientific findings suggesting potential health effects, have
 repeatedly and falsely claimed that wireless phones are safe for all
 consumers, including children, and have created an illusion of responsible
 follow up by calling for and supporting more research," Carlo wrote in a
 letter to top industry CEOs this month. "The most important measures of
 consumer protection are missing: complete and honest factual information
 to allow informed judgment by consumers about assumption of risk, the
 direct tracking and monitoring of what happens to consumers who use
 wireless phones, and the monitoring of changes in the technology that
 could impact health."

 Carlo is also troubled by a recent 

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STRATFOR.COM
Global Intelligence Update
November 3, 1999

U.S. Vietnam Policy Guided by Strategy, Not Economics

Summary:

The United States donated over 25,000 tons of wheat to Vietnam Nov.
2, the largest agricultural donation to Hanoi since the end of the
Vietnam War. The U.S. donation is another move in its diplomatic
chess game with China, as both sides maneuver to woo Vietnam. As
such, these moves are not signs of U.S. confidence in the Vietnamese
economy, but are instead motivated by strategy.


Analysis:

Since the Asian economic meltdown, the United States has been
uninterested in Vietnam's economy. Rampant corruption discredited
the economic reformers in the government and a resurgent Communist
Party has reasserted control.
[ http://www.stratfor.com/asia/commentary/c9908030055.htm ]. Economic
restructuring by the Party has resulted in increased centralization
[ http://www.stratfor.com/services/giu/020598.asp ] and state control
of firms, often at the expense of efficiency. As of March this
year, Vietnam's state-owned enterprises
[ http://www.stratfor.com/asia/aiuarchive/b990305.htm ] accounted
for two-thirds of the country's industrial output, but at least 30
percent of those firms were operating at a loss. In most countries,
such major economic difficulties would generally discourage heavy
U.S. involvement.

Nevertheless, on Nov. 2, U.S. Ambassador Pete Peterson presented
the Vietnamese Ministry of Finance with a 25,000-ton wheat donation
and proclaimed that the U.S.-Vietnamese relationship had reached "a
new height." Peterson went on to predict that the success of the
program would lead to further cooperation between the two
countries. Cooperation would be extremely valuable to both
sides. For the Vietnamese, the sale of the wheat will bring in more
than $3 million for humanitarian projects such as rural
development, dikes and hospitals. The United States, on the other
hand, stands to gain an increased role in Southeast Asia.

The end of the Asian economic boom not only renewed the
geopolitical competition between the United States and China, but
shook up the old system of U.S. alliances in the region
[ http://www.stratfor.com/asia/commentary/m9910231510.htm ]. As a
result, both nations have been working to re-establish links with
the rest of Asia, especially the Southeast. Vietnam is a key part
of both country's strategies, as it borders China and Cambodia -
where the United States has shown increased interest - and maintains
a claim to the disputed Spratly Islands.

Vietnam has been the object of entreaties from both sides, as
Chinese and U.S. government officials have increased visits to
Hanoi. Visitors have included U.S. Senator Richard Shelby, the
chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee and Secretary of
State Madeline Albright. Not to be outdone, the Chinese set up
separate meetings in China between Vietnamese leaders, Chinese
Defense Minister Chi Haotian and delegations from the Central
Committee of the Communist Party. To top it off, Chinese Premier
Zhu Rongji is to visit Vietnam in December.

Aside from the rather obvious gift of grain, the major U.S.
diplomatic effort toward Vietnam has been the negotiation of a
trade agreement. Since 1996, the two sides have worked to open
Vietnam's markets and increase trade with the United States. The
agreement was finalized in July. However, the Vietnamese postponed
signing the deal, leading to speculation about Chinese influence in
Hanoi. At the same time, China was working on its own trade deals
with Vietnam.

Meanwhile, the diplomatic dance continues. The U.S. will continue
to play to its strengths, namely economic benefits such as outright
gifts like the grain donation, and the promise of increased private
investment within Vietnam. Economic engagement makes sense for the
U.S. government, but not necessarily for potential investors. The
U.S. interaction with Vietnam is based on strategic reality, rather
than economic reality. The U.S. policy does not mean Vietnam's
economy has recovered from its past corruption and inefficiency.


Related Stories include:

Vietnam Sets Stage for New Government Purge - May 25, 1999
http://www.stratfor.com/SERVICES/GIU/052599.ASP

Missing Assets May Lead to Political and Economic Changes in
Vietnam - 21 May 99
http://www.stratfor.com/asia/aiuarchive/990521.htm

Hard-liners Retaking Control of the Communist Party of
Vietnam - 8 January 1999
http://www.stratfor.com/asia/aiuarchive/b990108.htm

Unrest in Vietnam Shakes Communist Party - February 13, 1998
http://www.stratfor.com/services/giu/021398.asp




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GOP budget higher, could grow more
House passes D.C. tuition measure
Congressman's ex-staffer guilty
Bush bruised diving to avoid truck
McCain's temper may become issue
New Hampshire filing starts with whimper
Independent ads aimed at Democrats
Lobbying group runs ads against Gore
Last-minute push in Maine campaigns use phones, pulpits, Internet
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A star-quality race is shaping up in Pennsylvania's 4th Congressional
District in western Pennsylvania.
It's one of only three open House seats currently held by Democrats that
Republicans have a decent chance of capturing.  The current congressman, Ron
Klink, is leaving to run for the Senate seat held by
Republican Rick Santorum.
The Republican in the race is state Sen. Melissa Hart, one of the most highly
regarded GOP state legislators in the nation, a very intelligent, articulate
and dynamic conservative.
A prominent Democrat considering the race is sports marketing executive Jim
Rooney, grandson of the founder of the Pittsburgh Steelers and son of the
current Steelers CEO.  The Rooney name is well known and well loved in the
area, and Jim Rooney has significant financial resources as well as a host of
wealthy friends.
The district is blue-collar and heavily unionized, and conservative on social
issues.  President Clinton carried it both in 1992 and in 1996 but didn't get
a majority of the vote either time.

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Transcripts

http://www.capitolwatch.com/transcripts/10-27-99_03.html
PRESIDENT CLINTON DELIVERS REMARKS AT CONGRESSIONAL GOLD MEDAL

http://www.capitolwatch.com/transcripts/10-27-99_02.html
VICE PRESIDENT GORE AND FORMER SENATOR BRADLEY HOLD JOINT TOWN HALL MEETING,
DARTMOUTH COLLEGE, BEDFORD, NEW HAMPSHIRE

http://www.capitolwatch.com/transcripts/10-27-99_01.html
PRESIDENT CLINTON DELIVERS REMARKS AT CONGRESSIONAL GOLD MEDAL CEREMONY
FOR FORMER PRESIDENT AND MRS. FORD
October 27, 1999

U.S. House of Representatives

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House Roll Call Vote: 537
Description: Urging the United States to seek a global consensus supporting a
moratorium on tariffs and on special multiple, and discriminatory
taxation of electronic   commerce.
Date: 10/26/99  Bill: H.CON.RES.190
Action: Suspend the Rules and Agree, as Amended
Result: PASSED
Yea = 423  Nay = 1  Not Voted = 9
Richard E. Neal voted Yes.


House Roll Call Vote: 538
Description: Expressing the sense of Congress that there should be no
increase in Federaltaxes in order to fund additional Government spending.
Date: 10/26/99  Bill: H.CON.RES.208
Action: On Motion to Suspend the Rules and Agree
Result: PASSED
Yea = 371  Nay = 48  Not Voted = 3
Richard E. Neal voted No.


House Roll Call Vote: 539
Description: Celebrating the 50th anniversary of the Geneva Conventions
Date: 10/26/99  Bill: H.CON.RES.102
Action: Suspend the rules and agree
Result: PASSED
Yea = 423  Nay = 10  Not Voted = 0
Richard E. Neal voted Yes.


House Roll Call Vote: 540
Description: Commending Greece and Turkey for their Mutual and Swift Response
to the Recent Earthquakes in both Countries
Date: 10/26/99  Bill: H.CON.RES.188
Action: Suspend the rules and agree
Result: PASSED
Yea = 424  Nay = 9  Not Voted = 0
Richard E. Neal voted Yes.


House Roll Call Vote: 541
Description: To Locate and Secure the Return of Zachary Baumel, an American
Citizen, and other Israeli Soldiers Missing in Action.
Date: 10/26/99  Bill: H.R.1175
Action: Suspend the Rules and Agree to Senate Amendments
Result: PASSED
Yea = 421  Nay = 12  Not Voted = 0
Richard E. Neal voted Yes.



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Senate Vote Number: 340
Description: S. 1692 As amended and modified
Date: 10/21/99  Bill: S.1692
Action:
Result: failed
Yea = 63  Nay = 34  Not Voted = 3
Edward M. Kennedy voted No.
John F. Kerry voted No. Senate 

[CTRL] The Rare Glitch Project

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

http://archive.infoworld.com/cgi-bin/displayNew.pl?/petrel/petrel.htm

November 1, 1999

The Rare Glitch Project: The legendary search for a stable version of
Windows

IN OCTOBER 1999, three student filmmakers disappeared in a building in
Redmond, Wash., while shooting a documentary. A week later, their footage
was found. What follows is an edited transcript of that footage.
Fortunately, I was able to cut the transcript, which was 385 pages, down to
a half page by removing the profanity.

The would-be filmmakers are Heather, Josh, and Mike. They are attempting to
document the Rare Glitch Project, a legendary version of Microsoft Windows
designed to be compact and stable. As the film begins, Heather describes the
first landmark, Coffee Rock, to the camera.

Heather says, "The way the legend goes, seven men were found sleeping in
this break room, all the caffeine having been sucked out of their brains.
They had markings on them that were made by a tiny piercing instrument that
penetrated their skin while they were still alive. One symbol looked like a
heart. Another was a hula girl that danced when he flexed his muscles. The
next day, employees could see managers hovering nearby where the bodies once
lay, but the men were nowhere to be found. But don't be frightened, Mike --
this story has nothing whatsoever to do with the rest of the film."

The team makes a futile search for a graveyard called the quality assurance
labs. Instead, they find themselves surrounded by several piles of shredded
paper. Mike looks suspiciously at the mounds, careful not to touch anything.
"It looks like an e-mail evidence burial ground," he says.

The trio is convinced they are lost. They stumble across an abandoned
programming laboratory filled with voodoo artifacts, one of which looks like
a bespectacled Basic programmer, another like a bald guy holding a soup can.
Josh logs in to one of the Windows NT workstations. He installs an
application designed to hack into the network and find a map of the
building. But the application won't run.

Heather checks her FAQ. "It says to try installing Service Pack 5," she
says. Josh inserts a CD, installs the service pack, and reboots.

No luck. Heather adds, "It also says that if Service Pack 5 doesn't fix the
problem, then remove it, install these seven hot fixes, and then reinstall
the app." Josh clicks on the option to remove the service pack when he
suddenly turns pale, overcome with fear. He looks around and sees the same
thing everywhere. "What is this all over the monitors? It looks like blue
... "

"Blue slime?" Heather asks.

"Blue screens," Josh answers.

Heather grabs the keyboard and reboots. But Windows NT simply boots to
another blue screen of death. Heather reaches to her back pocket and grasps
thin air. "Where's the FAQ? Who took the FAQ?"

Mike squeals with evil laughter, "I shredded it! It was useless! NT is
useless! The only thing more useless is this plot! This whole wing isn't
more than 10,000 square feet, and the audience is supposed to believe we
can't find our way out?"

Heather insists, "If we keep going south, we'll get out. That has to be it.
After all, the quality of Windows NT keeps going south, and that never stops
it from getting out of the building."

But after what seems like several years of slogging through the curved
halls, Josh shouts, "I don't believe it. Even though we've gone in a
complete circle, we're mysteriously back where we started."

Mike adds, "Admit it. It's Windows NT all over again."

Heather insists, "No. No, it can't be. This is Windows 2000. Honest. It's
... it's ... I don't believe it. It is. It's the same damned product." Mike
films a few hours of Heather sobbing uncontrollably.

The next day, Josh vanishes into a black hole -- presumably the same one
that consumed MS-DOS 7, Cairo, Zero Administration Windows, Windows
security, your IT budget, Jimmy Hoffa, and the real killers of Nicole
Brown-Simpson. Mike chases a specter of Josh into a broken-down corridor.
Heather chases Mike until she finds him facing a corner of the room. She
whimpers, "What are you looking for, Mike?"

"A way to end this film," he replies.

Heather places a dunce hat on Mike, then stares into the lens and sobs, "I
am so, so sorry," and then drops the camera.

You don't know the half of it, Heather.

Nicholas Petreley is editorial director of LinuxWorld.
Reach him at [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
©Copyright  1999 InfoWorld Media Group Inc.


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Re: [CTRL] trauma

[Smart News]

 -Caveat Lector-

Hi !

Below please find several URL's of possible interest.

Sincerely,   Neil Brick

This may be triggering for survivors of abuse.

Numerous articles on dissociation can be found at:

http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~jjhall/body_d_l.html

and http://www.trauma-pages.com/pg4.htm

excerpts from : http://wchat.on.ca/web/asarc/mpd.html

Child Abuse And Multiple Personality Disorder, Philip M. Coons, M.D.
Department of Psychiatry. Indiana University School of Medicine.
Indianapolis, IN 46223

The psychiatric syndrome of multiple personality is associated with an
extremely high incidence of physical and/or sexual abuse during childhood.
The abuse is usually severe, prolonged, and perpetrated by family members.
Multiple personality may be difficult to diagnose because of the subtlety of
the presenting symptoms. the patient's fear of being labeled crazy and the
clinician's mistaken belief that multiple personality is a rare condition.
Currently multiple personality is usually diagnosed in adults who are in
their late 20s or early 30s. The diagnosis of multiple personality in
children is even more difficult because of the subtlety of symptoms and the
ease with which these symptoms are confused with fantasy. Although
individuals with multiple personality do not usually abuse their own
children, the incidence of psychiatric disturbance in their children is high.
Multiple personality is much easier to treat if diagnosed early in childhood
or adolescence. Therefore, in order to decrease the morbidity of multiple
personality and decrease the psychiatric disturbance in children of multiple
personality parents, it behooves the clinician to become well acquainted with
the syndrome of multiple personality, to diagnose multiple personality as
early as possible, and to insure that the individual with multiple
personality obtains effective treatment

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Re: [CTRL] tunnels

[Smart News]

 -Caveat Lector-

Hi !

Below please find information about the tunnels at McMartin.

Sincerely,  Neil Brick

excerpts from http://members.cruzio.com/~ratf/McMartIntro.html

Archaeological Investigations of the McMartin Preschool Site

Introduction by Santa Cruz Ritual Abuse Task Force

Have you heard of the McMartin case? Most people know something about the
story. In 1983, hundreds of kids disclosed to their parents and therapists
that they were abused at the prestigious McMartin Preschool in Manhattan
Beach, California. Seven people were arrest and charged with hundreds of
counts of child sexual abuse, setting off the longest and most expensive
trial in U.S. History (7 years-$20,000).

The defense claimed that the kids hadn't really been abused, but that their
memories were implanted by a conspiracy of witchhunting therapists. It was a
successful tactic and all of the accused were let go.

Well, the kids memories weren't implanted. Many of the kids consistently
talked about tunnels under the pre-school where they were taken, sexually
abused, and witnessed terrifying events such as animals being killed. The
defense called these accusations "bizarre" and claimed they were proof that
the children were wrong.

But the truth is that the tunnels are there. In fact they are more than just
there. The tunnels are extensive, include a large room just as the children
said, and lead to further sites off the property. The tunnels were found in
an archeological dig under the pre-school conducted by Dr. E. Gary Stickel,
archaeologist and director of Environmental Research Archaeologists, a
Scientific Consortium.

You probably haven't heard of these tunnels. Debbie Nathan, a journalist who
made her career by ridiculing evidence of ritual abuse, ignored the
archeological investigation entirely in her in her book Satan's Silence which
talked extensively about the McMartin case. HBO's television movie
Indictment: The McMartin Trial portrays the entire community as hysterical
with no mention that the tunnels were found. The False Memory Syndrome
Foundation Newsletter has claimed outright that no tunnels were ever
uncovered, even though members of the board of directors have copies of the
full report.

During the month of May 1990 an archaeological project was conducted at the
McMartin Preschool site to determine, once and for all, whether or not there
had ever been tunnels under the building, as described by various children.
Excavation was carried out according to established scientific conventions
with a careful research design defining what might prove or disprove the
existence of "an underground feature that would connect to the surface of the
site and extend underground for some distance. " [with] dimensions large
enough to accommodate adult human movement through it". (p. 24)

The project unearthed not one but two tunnel complexes as well as previously
unrecognized structural features which defied logical explanation. Both
tunnel complexes conformed to locations and functional descriptions
established by children's reports. One had been described as providing
undetected access to an adjacent building on the east. The other provided
outside access under the west wall of the building and contained within it an
enlarged, cavernous artifact corresponding to children's descriptions of a
"secret room".

Both the contour signature of the walls and the nature of recovered artifacts
indicated that the tunnels had been dug by hand under the concrete slab floor
after the construction of the building. Whatever the purpose of this
elaborate enterprise, even more effort must have been devoted to filling the
tunnels back in and trying to conceal any evidence of their existence. Much
of the fill dirt used for packing the tunnel spaces was mixed with historic
debris, as if to mimic the surrounding terrain.

Not only did the discovered features fulfill the research prequalifications
as tunnels designed for human traffic, there was also no alternative or
natural explanation for the presence of such features.

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frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
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Re: [CTRL] Scenario plans

[sno0wl]

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On 3 Nov 99, at 16:32, Taylor, John (JH) wrote:

>I  was at a scenario planning exercise last week. two interesting things
> came out from the man in control.
>

Scenario for whatdeveloped by whom?

Gurdjieff may have met Crowley but I really don't think they were "linked."  Both Gurdjieff and Crowley were "rugged individualists" by which I mean they were each into their very own thing. I don't think Gurdjieff considered himself involved with the "occult" though he actually may have been..He was involved with "the way things really are"--which may be a definition of the "occult" if the truth is hidden.






sno0wl

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[CTRL] Senatorial Prerogative

[Alamaine Ratliff]

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From http://www.security-policy.org/papers/1999/99-D128.html

{{Begin}}
Publications of the Center for Security Policy
No. 99-D 128

DECISION BRIEF

3 November 1999

Defending the Senate's Constitutional Prerogatives: Lott is Right, Clinton-
Albright Wrong on the Status of the C.T.B.T.

(Washington, D.C.): Subsequent to the Senate's crushing rejection of the
Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (CTBT) on 13 October, President Clinton, his
senior subordinates and spokesmen have taken the astonishing position that
nothing has changed with respect to U.S. obligations to adhere to the Treaty.
Yesterday, the Washington Times broke the story that Secretary of State
Madeleine Albright had even gone so far as to write her counterparts in foreign
capitals that "I want to assure you that the United States will continue to act
in accordance with its obligations as a signatory under international law."
This statement is not only a misrepresentation of the actual legal situation
with respect to this fatally flawed treaty. It also bespeaks contempt for the
status of the Senate as a co-equal partner with the executive in treaty-making.

Enter Senator Lott
Fortunately, Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott (R-MS) has responded
appropriately and forcefully. In a statement cited in today's Times, Sen. Lott
declared:

"I am deeply disturbed by the Administration's most recent interpretation of
the status of the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty. If the Senate does not consent
to ratification of a treaty -- and in this case we didn't -- it has no status
for the United States in international law. In fact, the Senate vote serves to
release the United States from any possible obligations as a signatory of the
negotiated text of the treaty." Senator Lott put the Administration on notice,
moreover, that its high-handedness in connection with the Senate's action on
CTBT could have profound effects for its consideration of the President's
security policy agenda more generally: "If the Administration persists in
maintaining that the United States is bound as a matter of international law to
a treaty that has been rejected by the Senate, then there will be profound
implications for the relationship between the President and the Senate on
foreign policy matters."

Not the Only Offense
The latter warning is all the more justified in light of the fact that the
Clinton Administration's cavalier approach to the Senate's constitutional
prerogatives is not limited to the CTBT. Indeed, the President is insisting on
observing another accord -- the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile (ABM) Treaty --
that under international law lapsed eight years ago when the other party, the
Soviet Union, became extinct.(1) He has even begun negotiations aimed at
modifying this obsolete accord, the practical effect of which is to give the
Russians a veto over U.S. decisions to deploy missile defenses.

Worse yet, Mr. Clinton refuses to submit to the Senate new agreements his
Administration negotiated two years ago with a view to breathing fresh life
into the ABM Treaty, out of a justifiable fear that the Senate would likely
reject the broadening of the scope and the signatories of the original treaty
that they would entail. Clearly it is the case, however, that -- in the absence
of such replacement treaties -- the 1972 agreement can no longer be legally
binding upon the United States.

Similarly, the President refuses to seek the Senate's advice and consent to the
Kyoto Protocol -- another fatally flawed treaty that he is allowing to bind the
United States to obligatory reductions in the emission of so-called "greenhouse
gases" in clear defiance of the constitutionally mandated procedure.(2) Here,
too, the reason appears to be that the Protocol would face certain rejection by
the Senate. Mr. Clinton presumably calculates that, as long as Senators are
denied a chance to vote it down, he remains free to issue executive orders
compelling compliance on the part of the Federal government and, inevitably,
upon others, as well.

The Bottom Line
Senator Lott and other defenders of the Senate's prerogatives like Foreign
Relations Committee Chairman Jesse Helms (R-NC) and Senator Jon Kyl (R-AZ) are
absolutely right to reject the Administration's arrogant behavior on the
Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty. In fact, one of the reasons they and forty-eight
other Senators voted to defeat the CTBT last month was precisely because they
were concerned that delaying a vote -- as the Administration and many others
urged them to do -- would have the effect of perpetuating American obligations
under international law to take no steps that would undercut the object and
purpose of the Treaty.

Nothing but grief can come to the country if the President is effectively able
to make any deals he wishes, no matter how inconsistent with U.S. security,
economic or other vital interests, and then insist that they be considered
binding upon the Nation -- even if he denies the Senate an opportunity 

[CTRL] There are rockets being fired in the area. [a must]

[Peter L. Sroufe]

http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=1999/11/2/101754
EgyptAir Rocket Report Not a First

  On Monday, NewsMax.com editor Christopher
Ruddy reported that
  U.S. air traffic controllers were diverting
planes to new flight
  paths just hours after EgyptAir flight 990
disappeared from the
  sky.

  Why? Listening to control tower radio traffic
piped through the
  headset on his own London-bound flight, Ruddy
overheard one
  controller advising pilots to follow new
altitude coordinates.
  When a crew member asked why, he was told,
"There are rockets
  being fired in the area."

  This amazing account stunned many NewsMax.com
readers. But it
  shouldn't have. Because the incident wouldn't
be the first time
  air traffic control radio chatter indicated
some sort of missile
  activity off Long Island's coast, causing
controllers to alter
  flight routes.

Bard
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Tuesday  November 2, 11:47 AM
EgyptAir Rocket Report Not a First

On Monday, NewsMax.com editor Christopher Ruddy reported that U.S. air traffic controllers were diverting planes to new flight paths just hours after EgyptAir flight 990
disappeared from the sky.
Why?  Listening to control tower radio traffic piped through the headset on his own London-bound flight, Ruddy overheard one controller advising pilots to follow new altitude coordinates. When a crew member asked why, he was told, There are rockets being fired in the area.
This amazing account stunned many NewsMax.com readers.  But it shouldn't have.  Because the incident wouldn't be the first time air traffic control radio chatter indicated some sort of missile activity off Long Island's coast, causing controllers to alter flight routes. 
On April 26, 1999, TWA 800 researcher Michael Hull, writing for NewsMax.com, reported a similar episode that took place just months after TWA 800 went down:
TWA Flight 848 was to be involved in another incident four months after the downing of TWA Flight 800. On November 16, 1996, Pakistan International Airlines Flight 712 left Kennedy at 9:25 p.m. bound for Frankfurt. One of the pilots reported an orange light, which he described as a 'rocket,' coming from the left-hand side to the right-hand side of the airplane, and he stated that the 'rocket' had ascended through the aircraft's altitude. Boston apparently confirmed two unidentified blips on radar. The tapes were turned over to the FBI and NTSB since the object(s) rose directly out of Long Island Sound.
TWA Flight 884 (New York to Tel Aviv) was following close behind the Pakistani flight and was diverted by a controller. The government dismissed the incident as a meteorite observation, which leaves unanswered how the meteor ascended out of Long Island Sound.
In an even more frightening example, Hull documents a hair-raising close encounter between a missilelike object and an Aug. 9, 1997, Swissair flight bound for Zurich, Switzerland.
September 27, 1997 (Neue Zuricher Zeitung)
Swissair has revealed that an unidentified flying object almost collided with one of its planes over the United States last month. The captain and his co-pilot said an oblong and wingless object shot past at great speed -— only fifty metres away from their Boeing Seven-Four-Seven. The American air traffic authorities said it was probably a weather balloon. 
March 5, 1999www.cbcnews.comOttawa (CP)
A Swissair pilot reported his 747 jet was nearly hit by an unidentified flying object, possibly a missile, near the area off New York where a TWA airplane crashed in 1996, The Canadian Press has learned. Swissair Flight 127 was cruising at 23,000 feet on Aug. 9, 1997, when the pilot interrupted an address to passengers to report the near miss by a round white object, says a report by the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board. 'Sir, I don't know what it was, but it just flew like a couple of hundred feet above us,' he radioed Boston air traffic control. 'I don't know if it was a rocket or whatever, but incredibly fast, opposite direction.' 'In the opposite direction?' asked the controller. 'Yes sir, and the time was 2107 [Greenwich Mean Time]. It was too fast to be an airplane.' (Tape was provided by John Bergman and obtained 

[CTRL] (Fwd) Release: EEOC immigrants

[Terry Cox]

  Bear, 
  
  Want an EEO 
  laugh (sort of)? 
  Foxter
  ===NEWS 
  FROM THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY2600 Virginia Avenue, NW, Suite 
  100Washington DC 20037World Wide Web: http://www.lp.org/===For 
  release: November 3, 1999===For 
  additional information:George Getz, Press SecretaryPhone: (202) 
  333-0008 Ext. 222E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]===New 
  EEOC regulation will force employers tore-hire illegal immigrants (which 
  is a crime!) WASHINGTON, DC 
  -- Talk about a schizophrenicgovernment: TheEEOC has just announced 
  that if any U.S. company fires an illegalimmigrant because of 
  "discrimination," that employer will be forcedtorehire him -- even 
  though hiring illegal immigrants in the first placewas a 
  crime. 
  Confused? You're not the 
  only one, says the Libertarian Party: Thegovernment seems to be confused, 
  too -- since it has officiallyannounced that it plans to force Americans 
  to break the law. "According 
  to the government, if you fire illegal immigrantsfor the wrong reason, 
  which is a crime, you can be forced to rehirethem, which is a crime," said 
  Steve Dasbach, the party's nationaldirector. "So, you can go to jail for 
  hiring an illegal immigrant andyou can be fined for firing one. This pair 
  of paradoxical regulationsis enough to make you 
  paranoid." Last week, the 
  Equal Employment Opportunity Commission(EEOC)issued new guidelines to 
  protect illegal immigrants from workplacediscrimination -- even though 
  it's a crime to hire them in the firstplace -- arguing that non-residents 
  are "especially vulnerable toabuse and exploitation." Employers could face 
  a $300,000 fine iftheyfire an illegal immigrant with discriminatory 
  "malice." According to the 
  EEOC, illegal immigrants are protected byTitle VII of the 1964 Civil 
  Rights Act, even though they are notAmerican citizens and, technically 
  speaking, are breaking the lawbyeven being in the 
  country. And if illegal 
  immigrants are fired for discrimination-basedreasons, they are eligible 
  for back pay and attorney's fees -- andmust be reinstated to their jobs, 
  even though, under U.S. law,employers face up to five years in prison for 
  "knowingly" hiring anillegal 
  immigrant. "Employers are 
  caught between a rock and a hard place,"saidDasbach. "The rock is the 
  head of the bureaucrat who dreamed upthispreposterous regulation. The 
  hard place is the Federal Register,whereit's hard for ordinary 
  Americans to make sense of all the federallawsthat control every 
  aspect of our lives -- often at cross purposes toother 
  laws." So Libertarians 
  aren't surprised by this damned-if-you-do,damned-if-you-don't EEOC 
  regulation? Of course not, 
  said Dasbach: It's just one more example of adisease called "government 
  schizophrenia." "The 
  government stopped making sense a long time ago," 
  he said."Consider: The 
  federal government has spent millions of dollars tosubsidize tobacco 
  farmers, while spending millions of dollars topreach against cigarette 
  smoking. The government pays farmersnot togrow crops, and then gives 
  poor people money to afford the highcostof food. The government wages 
  a War on Drugs, then classifiesdrugabuse as a disability, so you can't 
  fire drug abusers." So 
  what's the solution? Like with any mental illness, 
  the firststep is to 
  recognize that you have a problem, suggested 
  Dasbach. "The problem starts 
  with people who turn to the government tosolve a social problem -- because 
  every time you give thegovernmentthe power to do something you like, 
  you also give it the power to dosomething you'll 
  hate. "Ironically, that's 
  why the very people who wanted the federalgovernment to save them from the 
  scourge of illegal immigrantsactually helped create the EEOC rule that 
  protects illegalimmigrants.Why? Because they gave the government more 
  power, money, 
  andcontrol. "And the 
  very people who wanted the federal government tosavethem from the 
  scourge of discrimination actually helped create thelaws that make it 
  illegal to hire undocumented aliens, whichencourages discrimination. Why? 
  Because they gave thegovernment morepower, money, and 
  control. In each case, said 
  Dasbach, once politicians had thatadditional power, money, and control, 
  they used it in ways youcouldnever predict, to accomplish policy goals 
  you probably opposed. "One 
  definition of insanity is: Doing the same thing over andover and expecting 
  a different result," he said. "As this new EEOCregulation proves, that's 
  also a good definition of what happenswhenyou ask the government to 
  solve social problems -- whether it isdiscrimination or illegal 
  immigration."-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-Version: 
  

[CTRL] [Fwd: STRAIGHT PANIC]

[Nurev Ind Research]

 -Caveat Lector-

 Original Message 
Subject: STRAIGHT PANIC
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:49:41 -0600 (CST)
From: John Aravosis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Organization: ?
To: undisclosed-recipients:;

GAY PANIC VS. STRAIGHT PANIC
Reading the news the last few days about the ‘gay panic’ defense in the
Shepard case got me thinking. If straight people can argue that it’s ok to
kill gays just because they’re gay, should gay people be allowed to invoke
a ‘straight panic’ defense in order to justify killing straight people? In
order to envision such a world, I wrote the following fictional news story.
It’s a tongue-in-cheek parody that I think gets the point across. Hope no
one is offended by my trying to use a little humor to prove a point.

November 1, 1999
Straight Panic Defense Plead in Hair-Spray Murder

WEST HOLLYWOOD - On the fifth day of the high-profile Six-Pack murder
trial, openly gay defendant Robert McKinney surprised the court room by
invoking a risky defense know as "straight panic."

"It was eleven o'clock when I saw him across the bar," McKinney said of the
victim in testimony today. "He was drinking a Bud, his belt and shoes
didn't match, and he had really bad hair. It was sickening."

McKinney is charged with the June 3, 1999 hair-spraying death of Joseph A.
Six-Pack, Jr., 33. Six-Pack was leaving Champion's Sport Bar in downtown
Los Angeles when McKinney reportedly accosted him with a bottle of Aussie
Sprunch Spray, mega-hold. According to witnesses, the victim succumbed
almost immediately.

"Something just snapped," McKinney told the court. "Six-Pack was in the
corner, belching and calling everybody 'dude'. I felt totally humiliated."

Invoking the straight-panic defense, attorneys for the defendant argued
that McKinney erupted "savagely" not because he was some sort of
hetero-phobe who had never crossed paths with a straight guy, but because
of his own painful heterosexual experiences. At the age of 7, McKinney was
forced to play Little League and touch-
football, defense attorney John Tarrington announced. "Robert will tell you
this embarrassed him. He did carry it with him."

In an unexpected boost to the defense, witnesses say the victim made
physical advances towards others in the bar prior to the altercation with
McKinney, suggesting a pattern of sexual misconduct. "I spoke with Joe
[Six-Pack] about an hour before he died," said Tom Murphy, an acquaintance
of the victim. "He told a really bad joke and then tried to high-five me,"
Murphy said. "I told him I wasn't that kind of guy."

Adding to the drama, a handful of self-described "family values" protesters
picketed outside the courthouse today holding "God Hates Hets" signs.
"Those people deserve to burn in hell - they're a danger to our children,"
the Rev. Fred Welps warned. "Ever notice how many straight people have
straight kids?", he asked. "You do the math."

In closing, attorney Tarrington said McKinney only intended to fix
Six-Pack's hair. The lawyer repeated over and over again through his
30-minute statement that McKinney told police, "I was just trying to help.
I didn't want to kill him." Six-Pack was found dead on the scene. The
coroner reported that his hair was flawless.
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"In Germany, the Nazis first came for the Communists, and I didn't speak up
because I wasn't a Communist.  Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't
speak up because I wasn't a Jew.  Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I w
asn't a trade unionist.  Then they came for the Catholics, but I didn't
speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that
time there was no one left to speak up for me."

 - Martin Niemoeller, Berlin 

Re: [CTRL] Tales of the Underclass

[Nurev Ind Research]

 -Caveat Lector-

"Tatman, Robert" wrote:

  -Caveat Lector-

 More like a shared monopoly or oligopoly, to match the oligarchy that pulls
 the political strings. At the turn of the 21st century, we seem to have come
 full circle, back to the era of the Trusts and Robber Barons. The last 20
 years have seen a concerted effort, led by the Republican Party but with the
 active connivance of the Democrats, to repeal the last century, to roll back
 all economic restrictions and all regulation of business, while at the same
 time narrowing the scope of individual civil liberties in the name of Free
 Trade and the Market... Theodore Roosevelt must be spinning in his grave.

Bob,

Teddy Roosevelt was a rich, aristocratic, Republican, Big Business president.
He did not bust trusts. They are still around and all powerful today. He merely
forced them to become less conspicuous, and hence, less of a target. It worked.

Joshua2




  -Original Message-
  From: Lucio Benedetto [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 11:24 AM
  To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject:  Re: [CTRL] Tales of the Underclass
 
   -Caveat Lector-
 
  And perhaps capitalism could be defined as corporate monopoly communism .
  Regards,
 
  Lucio
 
  - Original Message -
  From: nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 9:21 AM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] Tales of the Underclass
 
 
   -Caveat Lector-
  
   Whether it will be capitalist or communist seems to be an unresolved
  side
   issue.
  
   This is a false dichotomy. "Communism" is nothing more than state
  monopoly
   capitalism.To learn about  REAL  communism read Acts: 2:44-46.

I believe nessie is correct on both counts.

J2

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Re: [CTRL] Fw: [2ndrepoftexas] Fw: [LIFE-GAZETTE] BC's Definition ofGod.

[Nurev Ind Research]

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Franklin Wayne Poley wrote:

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 If "Party of Citizens" can get the court to admit that the Bible is the
 supreme law book in BC, then we win the case, don't you agree? As far as I
 can tell, when pro-lifers and pro-abortionists or so-called "pro-choicers"
 argue it out by invoking Biblical Law, the pro-lifers win easily.
 Agree/disagree? What is the best argument anyone can make from the Bible
 that God favors abortion?
 FWP.

   You are Poley.

Joshua2

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 Subject: [LIFE-GAZETTE] BC's Definition of God.
 
 From: "Franklin Wayne Poley" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Dear Office of the Attorney General:
   I recently sent an email to your office, asking how your
 administration defines "God". Could you please acknowledge receipt of that
 email letter and acknowledge that you are working on an answer to the
 question?
The question is far from frivolous. I lead a registered BC political
 party called "Party of Citizens". Last night we met from 7:00 to 9:00 p.m.
 in Metrotown LIbrary to hear POC candidate Gordon Helmholtz Watson speak on
 the topic "God's Law or the New World Order". Mr. Watson believes that THE
 BIBLE IS THE SUPREME LAW BOOK in British Columbia and he will be arguing a
 pro-life case before Judge Howard on that basis. As you know there is
 legislation which can be argued as supporting the pro-life position and
 there is legislation which can be argued as supporting the pro-abortion
 position. For example, Mr. Watson repeatedly points to two sections of the
 Criminal Code of Canada which clearly proscribe abortion. They are still
 valid law and contrary to popular misconception, laws proscribing abortion
 have not been "struck down".
Judge Howard will therefore be presented with two sides of a ledger
 consisting of provincial and federal legislation and she must decide which
 has greater weight. However, there is also the matter of the Bible as a law
 book and its weight in a BC court. Mr. Watson of course will be arguing
 that
 the Bible is clearly pro-life and anti-abortion.
My question to you has to do with the "God" of the Canadian
 Constitution
 and whether this is the God of the Bible. If it is, Mr. Watson is quite
 right in arguing from the Bible in court. Moreover, he is also requesting a
 trial by jury. I have before me the Jury Act and I note a list of
 Definitions at the beginning of the act as is typical of legislation. There
 is no definition of "God". Why should there be? Well, I read in the
 information sheet which the Sheriff's Office sends out to prospective
 jurors
 that "The right to a trial by jury of one's peers is a cornerstone to our
 democratic society and is one of its oldest institutions." Recently, when I
 was called in for jury duty, I noted that 7 out of the 8 jurors took an
 oath
 on the Bible, "so help me God" and the 8th. took an affirmation. While the
 affirmation is described in Section 32, the Oath on the Bible is not
 mentioned anywhere in this act. It is important for legislation to tell us
 what an affirmation is and to give a list of definitions. It is vitally
 important to know how this God in "so help me God" is defined. Given that
 most jurors take an oath on the Bible, I would expect expect an answer
 along
 the lines of saying that in BC and Canada, the legal system accepts the
 long-standing historical understanding of the God invoked in the Bible. Is
 that correct?
According to Black's Law Dictionary, common law derives its authority
 "solely from usages and customs of immemorial antiquity or from the
 judgements and decrees of the courts, recognizing, affirming and enforcing
 such usages and customs." Mr. Watson therefore believes that the British
 Coronation Service is still highly relevant to this matter. Do you agree?
 Last night he presented us with a manuscript titled "The Coronation of Her
 Majesty Queen Elizabeth II", June 2, 1953. The Introduction is written by
 the Archbishop of Canterbury and it says "Then the heads of the two
 Churches
 of England and Scotland present the Holy Bible to the Queen, wherein is
 'the
 Rule for the whole life and government of Christian Princes.' So the
 foundations are laid." The Archbishop is saying that the Holy Bible is the
 SUPREME LAW IN BRITAIN. Would you agree that by common law it is also the
 supreme law in British Columbia?
We can also approach this matter from the 

[CTRL] Rockets Fired in Area of Downed Jet?

[Bill Richer]

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Peace at any cost is a prelude to war!

With Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff
For the story behind the story...

Monday November 1, 11:07 AM

"Rockets" Fired in Area of Downed Jet?

Already the tragic flight of an EgyptAir jet is making news on the conspiracy
mill.

Perhaps even more so because of the seeming snap judgment of federal
authorities who have downplayed any idea of a terrorist attack - or worse.

There is "no indication that any criminal act took place," Coast Guard Rear
Adm. Richard Larabee was quoted yesterday as saying.

How about holding an investigation before federal officials like Larabee make
any presumptive judgment?

And there is good reason to have an investigation.

EgyptAir's Boeing 767 fell from the sky sometime early Sunday morning - at
about 2 a.m. Later Sunday morning, NewsMax.com editor Christopher Ruddy was
on United flight #976, which departed JFK at 9:15 a.m. headed for London.

At about 10 a.m., Ruddy put on his headset. He clicked through the music
channels and tuned in to transmissions between his United plane and air
traffic control in the United States.

"Air traffic control was advising planes to change their flight paths, giving
out new coordinates and altitudes for planes on the flight paths over the
Atlantic," Ruddy recalled the conversation he overheard.

"At one point, a crew member of one of the planes radioed air traffic control
to ask why the change. Air traffic control responded that 'there are rockets
being fired in the area.'"

"I heard early that morning before boarding my plane that there was a missing
EgyptAir plane," Ruddy said. "The conversation I heard on the plane really
struck me, as did the controllers' use of the word 'rockets.'"

There is no indication yet of any U.S. military activities in the area.
Still, the suggestion that there was some military activity near the plane's
flight path raises the specter of TWA 800. Critics of the government
investigation have alleged U.S. naval vessels were in the area and may have
accidentally fired a missile at the civilian jet.






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[CTRL] EgyptAir Rocket Report Not a First

[Bill Richer]

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Tuesday November 2, 11:47 AM

EgyptAir Rocket Report Not a First

On Monday, NewsMax.com editor Christopher Ruddy reported that U.S. air
traffic controllers were diverting planes to new flight paths just hours
after EgyptAir flight 990 disappeared from the sky.

Why? Listening to control tower radio traffic piped through the headset on
his own London-bound flight, Ruddy overheard one controller advising pilots
to follow new altitude coordinates. When a crew member asked why, he was
told, "There are rockets being fired in the area."

This amazing account stunned many NewsMax.com readers. But it shouldn't have.
Because the incident wouldn't be the first time air traffic control radio
chatter indicated some sort of missile activity off Long Island's coast,
causing controllers to alter flight routes.

On April 26, 1999, TWA 800 researcher Michael Hull, writing for NewsMax.com,
reported a similar episode that took place just months after TWA 800 went
down:

"TWA Flight 848 was to be involved in another incident four months after the
downing of TWA Flight 800. On November 16, 1996, Pakistan International
Airlines Flight 712 left Kennedy at 9:25 p.m. bound for Frankfurt. One of the
pilots reported an orange light, which he described as a 'rocket,' coming
from the left-hand side to the right-hand side of the airplane, and he stated
that the 'rocket' had ascended through the aircraft's altitude. Boston
apparently confirmed two unidentified blips on radar. The tapes were turned
over to the FBI and NTSB since the object(s) rose directly out of Long Island
Sound."

"TWA Flight 884 (New York to Tel Aviv) was following close behind the
Pakistani flight and was diverted by a controller. The government dismissed
the incident as a meteorite observation, which leaves unanswered how the
meteor ascended out of Long Island Sound."

In an even more frightening example, Hull documents a hair-raising close
encounter between a missilelike object and an Aug. 9, 1997, Swissair flight
bound for Zurich, Switzerland.

"September 27, 1997 (Neue Zuricher Zeitung) Swissair has revealed that an
unidentified flying object almost collided with one of its planes over the
United States last month. The captain and his co-pilot said an oblong and
wingless object shot past at great speed -— only fifty metres away from their
Boeing Seven-Four-Seven. The American air traffic authorities said it was
probably a weather balloon."

"March 5, 1999 www.cbcnews.com Ottawa (CP) A Swissair pilot reported his 747
jet was nearly hit by an unidentified flying object, possibly a missile, near
the area off New York where a TWA airplane crashed in 1996, The Canadian
Press has learned. Swissair Flight 127 was cruising at 23,000 feet on Aug. 9,
1997, when the pilot interrupted an address to passengers to report the near
miss by a round white object, says a report by the U.S. National
Transportation Safety Board. 'Sir, I don't know what it was, but it just flew
like a couple of hundred feet above us,' he radioed Boston air traffic
control. 'I don't know if it was a rocket or whatever, but incredibly fast,
opposite direction.' 'In the opposite direction?' asked the controller. 'Yes
sir, and the time was 2107 [Greenwich Mean Time]. It was too fast to be an
airplane.' (Tape was provided by John Bergman and obtained through the filing
of an FOIA request to the FAA.)"

Hull's Web site offers a transcript of the conversation between Swissair 127
pilots and ground controllers:

SWR 127: Center — Swissair 127

Controller 1: Swissair 127 -- go ahead.

SWR 127: Yes, sir. I don't know what it was but it just overflew like ...
like a couple of hundred feet above us. ... I don't know if it was a rocket
or whatever but incredibly fast in the opposite direction.

Controller 1: In the opposite direction?

SWR 127: Yes, sir. And the time was 2107 [5:07 p.m. local time]. It was too
fast to be an airplane.

Controller 1: OK. Thank you.

Controller 1: USAir 986 -- Did you see anything like a missile in your area
—- perhaps off to your right?

US Air: I'll take a good look, but if it's goin' that fast I probably won't
get a chance. We just saw Swissair go by a minute ago.

Controller 1: OK. Thanks.

SWR 127: Swissair 127. We had no T-CAS [collision avoidance] warning. It was
way too fast, I guess.

Controller 1: Swissair 127 -- thank you.

Controller 1: Swissair 127 -- How far above you was it?

SWR 127: It was right over us -- right above ... opposite direction ... and
... I don't know two, three, four hundred feet above us.

Controller 1: OK. Thank you.

SWR 127: All I can say -- 127 -- is that the three of us saw a white object
-- it was white and very fast.

Controller 1: Swissair 127 -- thank you.

Controller 1: Northwest 550. Did you see anything similar to a missile or a
UFO in your vicinity -- maybe 

Re: [CTRL] More Dark Links

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JAH Publications wrote:

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 That is exactly what Satan wants you to think so you won't see him coming.

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How do you know this???

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[CTRL] CELL PHONE NIGHTMARE

[earthman]

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Robert Weissman
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CELL PHONE NIGHTMARE
By Russell Mokhiber and Robert Weissman

Ready for a real scary Halloween story?

Remember the Larry King Live show in 1993 on cell phones? David Reynard
was the guest. He had filed a lawsuit against NEC, a cell phone operator,
and other companies, alleging that his late wife's brain tumor was caused
in part by her use of a cell phone.

The Reynard's lawsuit was dismissed in 1995, but Reynard's appearance on
the show created nationwide concern. At the time, there were 15 million
Americans using cell phones.

The day after the Larry King Live show, the Cellular Telecommunications
Industry Association (CTIA) went on the offensive. Industry executives
said that there were thousands of studies that proved that wireless phones
were safe. In fact, there were no such studies about cell phone safety.

But CTIA understood the basic reality of the situation, and so it decided
to spend $27 million over the next six years on health studies.

They hired George Carlo, figuring he would be a perfect fit. Carlo is a
public health scientist, who had a good track record as an industry
researcher. Most of his clients over the years have been industry clients,
and few have been disappointed with his work.

In 1994, Carlo began conducting studies to determine whether cell phones
pose a health risk to consumers. Four times a year, Carlo would trudge
over from his Dupont Circle office in Washington, D.C. to the offices of
CTIA to debrief the CEOs of the major telephone and electronics firms that
make up the $40 billion a year mobile phone industry. And things went
well, until 1995.

In 1995, Carlo found that digital phones were interfering with cardiac
pacemakers.

"We then conducted about $2.5 million worth of research to quantify that
problem, and as a result, I had somewhat of a falling out with the
industry," Carlo told us this week. "They didn't like that finding." The
industry cut off Carlo's funding.

But through a process of negotiation, Carlo got back in. The industry
would again fund his studies, but only if he agreed not to research the
questions of defibrillators and digital phones, and of cell phones and
automobile safety, and he could no longer work on a very extensive program
to standardize the methodology for testing whether or not cell phones met
industry-defined standards.

Carlo said that it took him two months to decide that he needed to
continue the work, even under CTIA's conditions, and so he did.

What he found may prove to be the cell phone industry's worst nightmare.

He found that the risk of acoustic neuroma, a benign tumor of the auditory
nerve that is well in range of the radiation coming from a phone's
antennae, was 50 percent higher in people who reported using cell
phones for six years or more. Moreover, that relationship between the
amount of cell phone use and this tumor appeared to follow a dose-response
curve.

He found that the risk of rare neuro epithelial tumors on the outside of
the brain was more than doubled, a statistically significant increase, in
cell phone users as compared to people who did not use cell phones.

He found that there appeared to be some correlation between brain tumors
occurring on the right side of the head and use of the phone on the right
side of the head.

And, most troubling, he found that laboratory studies looking at the
ability of radiation from a phone's antenna to cause functional genetic
damage were definitely positive, and were following a dose-response curve.

Carlo said that he has repeatedly recommended that the industry take a
pro-active, public health approach on the issue, and inform consumers of
his findings. He says that he uses a cell phone, but only with a headset.

"Alarmingly, indications are that some segments of the industry have
ignored the scientific findings suggesting potential health effects, have
repeatedly and falsely claimed that wireless phones are safe for all
consumers, including children, and have created an illusion of responsible
follow up by calling for and supporting more research," Carlo wrote in a
letter to top industry CEOs this month. "The most important measures of
consumer protection are missing: complete and honest factual information
to allow informed judgment by consumers about assumption of risk, the
direct tracking and monitoring of what happens to consumers who use
wireless phones, and the monitoring of changes in the technology that
could impact health."

Carlo is also troubled by a recent agreement between Elizabeth Jacobson,
the person in charge of cell phone regulation at the Food and Drug
Administration, and Thomas Wheeler, executive director of the CTIA. Under
the agreement, CTIA will fund the FDA to do additional safety studies.

Carlo says that in 1994, Jacobson refused such a cooperative research
agreement, because she didn't think she could both collaborate with the
industry and regulate it. 

[CTRL] Reptiles Rule the World

[earthman]

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The "Reptiles Rule the World"  Theory of David Icke, and An Alternative View

--A review of David Ickes' The Biggest Secret (Scottsdale, AZ:  Bridge of
Love Publications, 1999).  $25.00.

__ by Dr.Theodore Hall David Icke and I are
kindred spirits in many ways.  As researchers, we have both been tracking
the "Conspiracy"  for some time, and we've worked hard to get a good fix on
it.  "If we can see the enemy, we can win,"  the poet Leo Connellan once
wrote.  Seeing the Conspiracy has been something of a problem, as it is
invisible to most eyes.  It is cleverly concealed, for instance, in some of
our most common concepts and paradigms.  Most of us assume, for instance,
that the American system is "democracy,"  and that democracy is a truly
progressive, libertarian form of government.  Not so.  In fact, the American
system is egalitarian republicanism, which translates, government of, by,
and for the people as a whole.  Democracy is, in theory, government by the
majority of the people, i.e., a part of the people and not the whole.  In
practice, however, democracy usually turns out to be government by an elite
in the name of the majority.



In the early nineties, Icke tells us, his eyes were opened to the fact that
the entire planet is being dominated by a small and nasty elite dedicated to
turning Earth into a prison planet.  In 1995, Icke published a "must-read"
run-down on the Conspiracy titled (optimistically)  ...  and the truth shall
set you free.  In the same year, I published a Leading Edge monograph on the
Conspiracy called Avoiding Extinction.  Main idea:  The drive behind history
is consciousness; as we believe, so we create.  At the moment (1859-1999),
the history of our species is being driven by unscientific evolutionary
theory (need I name it?)  which maintains that "life is incessant struggle"
and "war is the mother of evolution."  In the very same year, the channel
Barbara Hand Clow published her magnum opus, The Pleiadian Agenda--A New
Cosmology for the Age of Light.  More about this important "Agenda"  book
later.  Back to Ickes' theory of the New World Order conspiracy



Icke calls the alleged Conspiracy the "Babylonian Brotherhood"  and claims
that through a sinister secret network, the Brotherhood "now spans the globe
and operates in literally every country."  [57} In "exposing"  the
Brotherhood conspiracy, Icke rips into virtually every important Western
institution, and concludes that most of them are implicated in the
Conspiracy



The Roman Catholic Church and the Brotherhood are one and the same, Icke
declares.  [53] The Christ story is in fact a fiction written by the Roman
philosopher Seneca [4 B.C.--65 A.D.].  Christianity, "a farce founded on a
fantasy,"  [103] has served the conspiracy as a "major vehicle for the
removal of vital information from the public domain."  The Knights Templar
and other soldiers of Christianity are nothing but henchmen of the
Brotherhood.  As Jesus Christ never existed, all claims regarding his
"bloodlines"  are a hoax.  What about the Eastern religions?  Also indicted.



Hinduism, for instance, is reptoidal to the core:  "There is also the Banyon
Tree under which the Hindu 'Jesus,' known as Krishna, sat upon a coiled
serpent and bestowed spiritual knowledge on humanity."  [21] Ickes' hit list
goes on:  Ben Franklin ["Imitate Christ and Socrates"] was a "Satanist"
who, with other Masonic/Brotherhood members, conspired to steal the Sceptre
of political power from traditional authorities.  Sir Francis Bacon, the
greatest intellect England ever produced, was a conniver who invented
"this-world-is-all-there-is"  science in order to "play two sides against
each other to create an environment in which another, unspoken, Agenda could
flourish.  Certainly this [Baconian] period produced the classic control
system of divide and conquer.  Mass slaughter erupted across Europe in the
Protestant-Catholic wars, while, at the same time, both creeds were being
challenged by the emerging 'scientific' dogma."

[162] Abraham Lincoln was an "American cousin"  of the Rothschilds.  Mention
any power-wielder of the twentieth century; chances are he or she is on the
list of conspirators.



So what's the "biggest secret?"



To summarize the Icke theory:  The New World Order is the final
world-enslaving program of an invisible elite that has governed the planet,
by governing the minds of humans, since ancient times.  This elite, known as
the "Anunnaki,"  are reptilians who have a certain claim to rulership on
Earth, as they created Homo sapiens (the "human-reptile lines"  at least)
by blending their genetics with those of Homo erectus.  The human-reptile
lines "carry the reptilian genetic code and thus can be far more easily
possessed by the reptilian [over-lords] of the lower fourth dimension."



These bloodlines, Icke says, "became the British and European aristocracy
and royal families, and thanks to the 

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[CTRL] Coroner calls for warning note on Prozac packets

[earthman]

 -Caveat Lector-

From: RJ [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Coroner calls for warning note on Prozac packets
By Sean O'Neill

Medicines - Eli Lilly

PROZAC should be repackaged with clearer instructions to patients and
their doctors about the drug's possible side-effects, a coroner said
yesterday.

John Owen called for more detailed labelling of the drug after hearing
evidence in the case of a farmer who shot himself two weeks after he was
prescribed Prozac. Richard Wood, 46, became increasingly agitated and
frightened after being given the drug for depression.

Two days before his death, his wife Sally, 46, became so concerned that
she asked doctors if her husband's prescription could be changed. She
found his body lying in a pool of blood in the bedroom of their
farmhouse at Pantglas, Llanboidy, South Wales, where they had farmed for
19 years. After cleaning out the milking parlour Mr Wood had shot
himself in the forehead with his .22 rifle.

Mrs Wood told the inquest in Llanelli that her husband began "spiralling
downhill" after he began taking Prozac tablets daily in February 1998.
She said: "He got very frightened and agitated. He did not know what was
happening to him. He complained that there was a black cloud over him
and all he wanted to do was get out of it."

She said there was insufficient warning or guidance with Prozac, which
is taken by some 37 million patients worldwide, to explain how a patient
might react. When she sought to change her husband's prescription she
saw a locum rather than her family GP and was given an appointment for a
visit from a psychiatric nurse.

 Mr Owen recorded a verdict that Mr Wood had killed himself while
suffering
 from a depressive illness. He said there was insufficient evidence
about whether Prozac might have been a contributory factor in his death.
He said: "Perhaps Eli Lilly should re-examine the literature they supply
to doctors as well as their patients."

A spokesman for Eli Lilly, manufacturers of Prozac, said care of
patients was the responsibility of doctors. He said: "We provide a
patient information leaflet with Prozac and provide clinicians with the
best advice."

London Telegraph
11-3-99

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[CTRL] Crop Circle diagrams

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This is from Jason?..A cool page full of his diagrams..

Peter
If anyone's interested, I have been collecting drawings of crop circles, as
I like their geometry, and partly as an attempt (albeit failed, so far) to
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[CTRL] ALIEN BRANDING OF ABDUCTEES?

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ALIEN BRANDING OF ABDUCTEES?
http://www.ufosightings.net/news/haveyouseen.html
Much more on this url and photos.

Cropped from original photo Inverted Lighting from original photo Black and
white from original photo Original Photo
CLICK TO ENLARGE ANY PHOTO

A couple of weeks ago we received an email from someone who had an
experience while driving in her car on the way to work, she noticed a pain
that came to her thigh out of nowhere. The pain was at the location of an
unknown mark, shown here on the website in a couple of versions, and is a
circle, with an inner circle , with a cross section splitting the inner
circle into 4 equal areas.

A subsequent interview with the person reporting the mark indicates that she
has no known abduction history but that she did have an odd experience where
she woke in the middle of the night and saw three green blinking lights.

" I was able to see into the kitchen from the couch I saw these blinking
lights so I sat up and took a better look although my glasses were off. I
said to myself it cant be the TV in there because the screen faces away from
me and the coffee pot doesn't have these lights, I felt uneasy and felt I
should just lay down and go to sleep and that is the last I remember until I
woke up and what is weird thinking about it it was 3 am couldn't sleep for
the life of me and then all of a sudden after seeing the three lights I am
out like a light ."

Some additional comments that were made by her were :

"well whatever happened it happened to me and no one or thing hurt me so I
am not really scared. There was fear when I saw the lights so I just wanted
to like hide under the cover and forget what I saw."

"I have slept on the couch before many times and never saw this before "

Being interested in what the symbol might mean she went to a psychic for
answers...

"I went to a physic (I think I spelled that correctly) she said you can
interpret this symbol so many different ways . they pulled out books and
nothing matches no hieroglyphics or anything "

She first noticed the pain associated with the mark in her car on the way to
work and commented that :

"there was a smell like alcohol in my car"

The initial report came in as below. The email address has been removed -
please email us and we will forward your inquiries and comments on to her.
Our standard policy is to allow the person who had the experience to choose
who they give their email or other contact information to.

"I HAVE A MARKING ON MY THIGH THAT IS TWO PERFECT CIRCLES ONE INSIDE EACH
OTHER WITH A CROSS GOING THROUGH IT. I WENT TO THE DOCTOR HE DOESN'T KNOW
WHAT THIS COULD BE. IT IS TWO WEEKS NOW AND I STILL HAVE IT. THE ONLY THING
I CAN REMEMBER IS LEAVING FOR WORK IN MY CAR AND FEELING AN EXTREMELY
COLD/HOT SENSATION IN THAT AREA. I LOOKED TO SEE IF I BURNT MYSELF WITH A
CIGARETTE AND THEN LOOKED AT MY POCKETBOOK TO SEE IF THE METAL ON IT WAS HOT
TO BURN ME. NOTHING ON MY PANTS EITHER.  WHEN I WENT HOME AND TOOK A SHOWER
I NOTICED THIS BRANDING OR TATTOO LIKE THING. I AM AT WITS END TRYING TO
FIGURE OUT WHAT THIS IS. ALSO I REMEMBER A FLASH OF LIGHT THROUGH MY
WINDSHIELD. DOES ANYONE KNOW IF ANYONE HAS HAD THIS HAPPEN TO THEM. PLEASE
EMAIL ME AT [Email Address Removed - see Below ] THANK YOU"

If you have seen this mark before, whether or not you associate it with an
UFO or Alien Encounter, please email us. Thank you for your assistance.

Sincerely,


Morgan Clements -
Director -World Wide UFO Reporting Center
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[CTRL] Crop Circle diagrams :-) :-)

[Edward Britton]

 -Caveat Lector-

Hay. These diagrams are really cool!  I especially like the one outlining
the Starship Enterprise! Cute, real cute :-)

Edward   +


This is from Jason?..A cool page full of his diagrams..

Peter
If anyone's interested, I have been collecting drawings of crop circles, as
I like their geometry, and partly as an attempt (albeit failed, so far) to
find an explanation for them.

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Re: [CTRL] EgyptAir Anomalies?

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From: Ian Goddard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: EgyptAir Anomalies?
Date: Monday, November 01, 1999 11:39 PM

At 08:04 PM 11/1/1999 -0800, I oopsed:

 Timeline of EgyptAir jet’s final hours

 ...
 Saturday
 8:02 a.m. EDT — Plane, diverted because of
 inclement weather, lands at Newark International
 Airport.
 10:25 a.m. EDT — Plane leaves Newark, N.J., bound
 for Los Angeles International Airport.
 1:46 p.m. PDT — Plane lands in Los Angeles.
 4:30 p.m. PDT — Plane departs Los Angeles for
 New York’s JFK airport. The scheduled time of
 departure from Los Angeles was 12:30 p.m.
 Sunday
 12:48 a.m. EDT — Plane lands at JFK airport. ...

 http://www.msnbc.com/news/329778.asp

 =
 The plane took 8 hours and 18 minutes enroute from LA to JFK.
 =


 IAN: Sorry, adjusting for PDT/EDT that's 5hr 18 min.

 Re: Local Notice to Mariners and live-fire warnings.
 While someone claimed that the LNM had a warning
 issued for July 17, 1996 but it disappeared from
 the document at the LNM website (that person never
 responded to my requests for more info), there were
 none listed for July 17, 1996. However, that does not
 mean warning zones were not activated on short notice.
 Aerospace Daily reported on August 28, 1996 that W-105
 WAS ACTIVATED AT CRASH TIME on July 17, 1996, and
 documents confirming activation on the 17th were
 also acquired. Therefore, the fact that I found no
 warnings in the LNM for October of 1999 does not
 necessarily mean no activities occurred during
 that time. Of course we're going to have to have
 something more to go on that one report of over-
 hearing ATC issuing warnings of military activity.

 As it turned out in the Flight 800 case, as you
 may know, there were approximately 30 radar targets
 fitting the profile of large Navy vessels traveling
 in or toward the activated warning zone W-105. See:
 http://users.erols.com/igoddard/30ships.htm and:
 http://flight800.org/flotilla.htm


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[CTRL] Founding of the Modern Conspiracy to Rule the World--Mystery of

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Subject:   Founding of the Modern Conspiracy to Rule the World--Mystery of
  Masonry's Origin Solved?

II.   Catalog of Relevant Books

III.  New Book Refutes Gun Control!  Stopping Power!

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I.  Founding of the Modern Conspiracy to Rule the World
^^^

   Mystery of Masonry's
  Origin Solved?

  Long-time readers will recall, probably with considerable
irritation, that we have been promising a definitive article on Francis
Bacon and the founding of the "modern" conspiracy since 1985.  Each time
we thought we were ready to finalize such a report we have discovered more
sources of information that threw the premises of the work up to that
point into doubt.

  In spite of our promise that research was nearing completion in the
Washington DC:  Third and Final Rome?  catalog issued this Summer, a new
hypothesis has again cast doubt on our previous work.  Initially in 1985,
our theory was that the conspiracy was essentially Anglophile at core
beginning with Henry VII (1485-1509) and coming into its own with
Elizabeth I (1558-1603), suffering setbacks under the Catholic or Catholic
leaning Stuarts, but emerging triumphant with William of Orange's
"Glorious Revolution" of 1688 that resulted in the founding of the Bank of
England, Masonry, and the Royal Society under the patronage of the Crown,
thus, setting the stage for true world domination.

  The Crown was seen as gathering otherwise unorganized and powerless
anti-Vatican forces into alliance with it such as Jews and Moslems (esp.
mystics--cabalists  sufis), Gnostic heretics, Templar heretics, etc.
rather than as a product of such anti-Vatican forces.  This allowed the
Crown to strike a pose above the fray while its Jewish and Secret Society
organs did its dirty work and received the blame...a theory the Crown
itself promoted with the unconscious help of the Vatican!

  This theory met nearly 100% disagreement from all points on the
conspiracy research spectrum!  Of course, this was of no concern to us
since we consider the "established" conspiracy theories to be planted by
the conspiracy itself.  However, several books on the "continuity" of
Masonry began to sway our enthusiasm for our thesis.  Pro-Masonic scholar
John J. Robinson in his Born in Blood:  The Lost Secrets of Freemasonry
seemed to make an excellent case that Freemasonry was simply the Knights
Templar "revealing" in 1717 their unbroken existence since the attempted
Vatican suppression of their order in 1307.  Peter Partner's The Murdered
Magicians:  The Templars and Their Myth seemed to second this thesis on a
"power of myth" if not physical continuity basis.  Until now, we futilely
hashed over the pro's and con's with numerous correspondents while the
projected report languished.

  Not until Michael Baigent and Richard Leigh of Holy Blood/Holy Grail
fame came out with their The Temple and the Lodge were we able to return
to our original thesis with good conscience.  Baigent and Leigh were able
to show convincingly how Templarism had survived continuously as Masonry,
originally under the patronage of the heretical Robert Bruce of Scotland,
and later under fragmented, doctrinally questionable, but basically
Vatican aligned, auspices, especially the Stuarts (Jocobites).

  However, Baigent and Leigh also showed clearly that the founding the
Grand Lodge in 1717, far from being a "revealing" of a pre-existing Secret
Society, was an artificial take-over of Masonry by the then Protestant
Crown of Britain based on its military triumph over the pro-Stuart
Scottish Rebellion of 1715.  This was necessary to remove pro-Stuart
(Jacobite) and pro-Vatican elements from Masonry world-wide in preparation
for turning Masonry into Britain's premier covert intelligence service
(See August- September 1985 issue of the Project, page 6--"1717").  The
success of the British Crown in capturing Masonry ineluctably lead to
eventual Vatican repudiation of its previously loyal, if somewhat
heretical, underground intelligence network!





II.  Catalog of Books on the Founding of the Conspiracy
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Re: [CTRL] More Dark Links

[Eagle 1]

 -Caveat Lector-

Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote::: Satan is fiction.

To state that Satan is 'fiction'  is a matter of faith and opinion.
You are most assuredly entitled to believe as you so choose. However,
it is my firm belief and opinion that this personnage, regardless of his
name, title, or description is alive and doing very well...
biding his time to be cast out of heaven as it is written in Revelation 12.

One day,  we shall ALL know the truth regarding such a statement.
And by that time,  it won't really matter any more.


---
Welcoming the NWO...  let's get it over with.

eagle 1

"Behold,  the days come, saith the Lord God,  that I will send a famine in
the land, not a famine of bread [food], nor a thirst for water,  but [a
famine] of hearing the words of the Lord."   -   Amos 8:11

--

- Original Message -
From: Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] More Dark Links


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 In a message dated 11/3/99 4:04:58 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Talent may not necessarily be on loan from God - could be Satan
instead. 

 Satan is fiction.

 Om
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Re: [CTRL] E-Voting

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This information,  IF true,  only reconfirms what I am hearing on the
internet and elsewhere.  It is my understanding that with the conclusion of
the upcoming census -2000,  each and every American citizen, regardless of
age,  will receive his or her own personal e-mail address,  that is their
own personal e-mail address for life,  no different than the Social Security
number we are handed now at birth.  It will be the item that keeps every one
in contact with the Federal Government,  whether for voting,  for medicaid
or social security,  or should the gov have reason to get in touch with you,
there will be no excuse not to have a way and means to communicate with the
government;  as each person is supposed to be required to check in three
times a year,  quarterly,  regardless of where he / she is in the world.

Big Brother wants his Big Thumb on YOU,  and by mandating regular check
points,  and penalties for not complying,  such as the same as when an
eighteen year old must sign up for the draft.  Soon,  I look to see computer
screens in the local post office with the charge of the price of a stamp to
use,   just to draw business,  if nothing else,  since e-mail and FAX is
taking much of their profit away. Public libraries and federally funded
universities are already set up to accomodate the need and the traffic that
will be generated by this regulation to check in with Big Brother on a
timely schedule.  E-voting is merely an excuse to get this technology
implemented faster...

... the times,  they are a changin'  ...

eagle 1

- Original Message -
From: Alamaine Ratliff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 10:10 AM
Subject: [CTRL] E-Voting


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 From Slate.Com

 {{Begin}}

 Obstacles to E-Voting
 By Jodi Kantor
 Posted Tuesday, Nov. 2, 1999, at 4:30 p.m. PT
 E-Mail This Article
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 This is the second in a two-part series about Internet voting. To read
Part 1,
 by Jacob Weisberg, click here.

 Every year around this time, Americans lament our low voter turnout
rate--44.9
 percent in 1998, putting us 138th in a list of 170 voting nations. This
 explains the growing interest in Internet voting, which promises to do for
 democracy what Amazon.com did for books. Aside from making voting vastly
more
 convenient, say its supporters, click 'n' pick elections could
theoretically
 eliminate fraud, allow instant recounts, and save pots of money.

 Buoyed by these hopes, election boards across the country have begun to
take
 tentative steps toward wired elections (many private organizations--most
 notably universities and unions--already conduct internal elections
online).
 State officials in California, Florida, Washington, Iowa, Minnesota, and
New
 Mexico are all examining online voting. In California, the Campaign for
Digital
 Democracy is collecting digital petitions for a ballot initiative that
would
 legalize Internet voting--though virtual signatures aren't legally valid,
at
 least not yet. Software companies eager to showcase their e-voting wares
have
 held mock online elections in Iowa, Washington, and Virginia. And today,
under
 a pilot project run by the Department of Defense's Federal Voting
Assistance
 Program, 350 military personnel posted overseas will vote online. If the
test
 goes well, the FVAP will consider eventually making online voting
available for
 all Americans living abroad.

 E-voting isn't nearly as radical as it sounds, for two reasons. First of
all, a
 large and growing proportion of Americans--about 50 percent of Washington
 state's electorate and a quarter of Californians--already mail in their
votes
 via absentee ballot. Oregon, the most aggressive remote-vote state, has
 abolished polling places entirely and now conducts elections exclusively
by
 mail. Local jurisdictions in 15 other states have conducted all-mail
elections
 too. While online elections would use fancier technology, they're based on
the
 same premise--that you can send polling authorities a document that will
serve
 as your proxy.

 Second, as Jacob Weisberg pointed out in this space last week, Americans
have
 already been voting by computer for years. Most polling places use one of
three
 computer-based technologies: punch cards, optical scans, or electronic
 recording. (Less than one-fifth of the electorate uses old-fashioned
mechanical
 lever machines, which aren't even being made anymore.) Most experts expect
the
 next generation of voting technology to be Internet-based. And once voters
 start using Internet terminals at polling places, it's a short step to
using
 the same technology from home or work.

 But for this to happen, software makers will have to devise voting systems
that
 are demonstrably secure. All of those currently being developed employ
digital
 signature technology--a cryptographic alternative to traditional
signatures
 that identifies a document's origin and verifies 

[CTRL] Reptiles Rule the World Theory of David Icke

[Eagle 1]

. . . if Icke is correct in maintaining that reptoids 
have been runninghuman politics ever since the days of Babylon and preying 
on humans, etc.,then we'd expect to find a fairly large body of folklore, 
among the Aryanpeoples especially (blue-eyed Aryans are supposedly their 
favorite food),that would point toward that reality. The existence of 
a sinister reptoidalpeople-eating elite . . . 

Perhaps now we know why the push to quit smoking is 
so prevailant. The reptoids don't like to eat people who are smokers 
???

Food for thought. LOL


Welcoming the NWO... let's get it over 
with.

eagle 1

[CTRL] UN Conference Bonn, Germany - Cathie Adams Reporting #5

[Flat Rate Telephony, TODAY!!]

 -Caveat Lector-

United Nations Conference in Bonn, Germany
UN Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC)
Fifth Session of the Conference of the Parties (COP 5)

For Immediate Release
Contact: Cathie Adams ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
November 3, 1999

America's Road to Serfdom

America is following what Friedrich Hayek entitled his 50-year-old book,
"The Road to Serfdom." In the book, Hayek explains how the German "managed
economy" led to the government of Adolph Hitler and WWII. While he
correctly describes the nature of society and the errors of collectivism,
he wrongly thought that the League of Nations, the attempted predecessor of
the UN, could be used to avoid wars. If he could have foreseen how the UN
is implementing the Kyoto Protocol, he would have rewritten that chapter!

The final days at the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change the Fifth
Conference of the Parties (UNFCCC-COP5) meeting in Bonn, Germany are
brimming with double-speak. The radical environmentalists have placed their
gauntlet: adopt the implementation "rules" for the Kyoto Protocol by the
2000 COP 6 meeting and set the deadline for its entry into force at 2002.
As the high level negotiations begin, however, these goals are illusive.
Unbridled by national sovereignty or science, nonetheless, the U.S. has
signed the treaty that will not be completed until possibly late 2000 or
early 2001.

American Under Secretary of State for Global Affairs, Frank E. Loy, has
arrived in Bonn "pleased and proud to be part of COP 5." He says America is
"more committed than ever to deal with climate change" because of a
"growing scientific consensus on the causes and consequences of climate
change." Calling the Kyoto Protocol "the basic architecture of an
international strategy," he added that last year's Buenos Aires plan of
action "laid out a road map for turning Kyoto's broad concepts into working
realities." Loy also touted President Clinton's Executive Orders and record
funding levels for the cause.

Careful study of Loy's remarks unmasks unscientific folly. While there may
be "scientific consensus" about global warming, there is NO scientific
evidence for it. "Consensus" is based on emotions rather than facts, which
is evident by the fact that "developing" countries believe that
industrialized countries, primarily the U.S., are damaging their
environments which will bring about imminent deaths and destruction.

Island nations, for example, are convinced that their islands will sink due
to America's industrial greenhouse gases that are supposedly causing the
West Antarctic ice sheet to melt. A recent study in "Science," however,
reports that the melting is NOT as a result of global warming (AP/Richmond
Times-Dispatch, October 8, 1999). And even if the ice sheet melted, it is
doubtful that islands would sink. Regardless, repetition of environmental
lies has led to the establishment of the "consensus" to act. Afraid to be
labeled anti-environment, governments and industries are going along with
the ruse.

The "rules" the parties are debating in Bonn are for the three "flexible
mechanisms" of the Kyoto Protocol. Loy says the mechanisms are
"market-oriented strategies that will reap rewards for developing countries
that voluntarily reduce their emissions." In reality, they are rules that
surpass the "rules" of the World Trade Organization; the Kyoto Protocol
will allow UN bureaucrats to manage EVERY nation's economy.

The first mechanism is called a Clean Development Mechanism (CDM). It would
allow "developed" countries to use certified emissions reductions from
project activities in "developing" countries to contribute to their
compliance with greenhouse gas reduction targets. Using the CDM, America
could build high-tech, environmentally sound power plants in Mexico,
Brazil, Saudi Arabia or one of the other 147 "developing" countries. In
other words, the Kyoto Protocol would allow Americans to transfer
technologies to developing countries in order to gain greenhouse gas
credits and keep our "home fires" burning.

The second "flexible mechanism," called Joint Implementation (JI), would
allow America to obtain credits toward our greenhouse gas reduction target
(7% below 1990 levels by 2008-2012) through project-based emission
reductions in other "developed" countries through "public-private
partnerships," a.k.a. fascism.

The third "flexible mechanism" would allow America to pursue, through an
umbrella group (a climate stock exchange), the implementation of a trading
regime. The U.S. could buy emissions permits from countries that have
already met their targets with room to spare.

Underscoring the fact that the Kyoto Protocol is NOT intended for "free
people" or "free markets, verification, reporting and accountability
"rules" must be developed for each of these mechanisms. New UN
bureaucracies will attempt to verify greenhouse gas emissions, but how are
they measured? Will Texas ranchers have to register their cows (methane gas
producers) along 

[CTRL] FW: CELL PHONE NIGHTMARE

[Dave]

 -Caveat Lector-

Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
http://www.ioa.com/~davehart


CELL PHONE NIGHTMARE
By Russell Mokhiber and Robert Weissman

Ready for a real scary Halloween story?

Remember the Larry King Live show in 1993 on cell phones? David Reynard
was the guest. He had filed a lawsuit against NEC, a cell phone operator,
and other companies, alleging that his late wife's brain tumor was caused
in part by her use of a cell phone.

The Reynard's lawsuit was dismissed in 1995, but Reynard's appearance on
the show created nationwide concern. At the time, there were 15 million
Americans using cell phones.

The day after the Larry King Live show, the Cellular Telecommunications
Industry Association (CTIA) went on the offensive.  Industry executives
said that there were thousands of studies that proved that wireless phones
were safe. In fact, there were no such studies about cell phone safety.

But CTIA understood the basic reality of the situation, and so it decided
to spend $27 million over the next six years on health studies.

They hired George Carlo, figuring he would be a perfect fit. Carlo is a
public health scientist, who had a good track record as an industry
researcher. Most of his clients over the years have been industry clients,
and few have been disappointed with his work.

In 1994, Carlo began conducting studies to determine whether cell phones
pose a health risk to consumers. Four times a year, Carlo would trudge
over from his Dupont Circle office in Washington, D.C.  to the offices of
CTIA to debrief the CEOs of the major telephone and electronics firms that
make up the $40 billion a year mobile phone industry. And things went
well, until 1995.

In 1995, Carlo found that digital phones were interfering with cardiac
pacemakers.

"We then conducted about $2.5 million worth of research to quantify that
problem, and as a result, I had somewhat of a falling out with the
industry," Carlo told us this week. "They didn't like that finding." The
industry cut off Carlo's funding.

But through a process of negotiation, Carlo got back in. The industry
would again fund his studies, but only if he agreed not to research the
questions of defibrillators and digital phones, and of cell phones and
automobile safety, and he could no longer work on a very extensive program
to standardize the methodology for testing whether or not cell phones met
industry-defined standards.

Carlo said that it took him two months to decide that he needed to
continue the work, even under CTIA's conditions, and so he did.

What he found may prove to be the cell phone industry's worst nightmare.

He found that the risk of acoustic neuroma, a benign tumor of the auditory
nerve that is well in range of the radiation coming from a phone's
antennae, was 50 percent higher in people who reported using cell phones
for six years or more. Moreover, that relationship between the amount of
cell phone use and this tumor appeared to follow a dose-response curve.

He found that the risk of rare neuro epithelial tumors on the outside of
the brain was more than doubled, a statistically significant increase, in
cell phone users as compared to people who did not use cell phones.

He found that there appeared to be some correlation between brain tumors
occurring on the right side of the head and use of the phone on the right
side of the head.

And, most troubling, he found that laboratory studies looking at the
ability of radiation from a phone's antenna to cause functional genetic
damage were definitely positive, and were following a dose-response curve.

Carlo said that he has repeatedly recommended that the industry take a
pro-active, public health approach on the issue, and inform consumers of
his findings. He says that he uses a cell phone, but only with a headset.

"Alarmingly, indications are that some segments of the industry have
ignored the scientific findings suggesting potential health effects, have
repeatedly and falsely claimed that wireless phones are safe for all
consumers, including children, and have created an illusion of responsible
follow up by calling for and supporting more research,"  Carlo wrote in a
letter to top industry CEOs this month. "The most important measures of
consumer protection are missing: complete and honest factual information
to allow informed judgment by consumers about assumption of risk, the
direct tracking and monitoring of what happens to consumers who use
wireless phones, and the monitoring of changes in the technology that
could impact health."

Carlo is also troubled by a recent agreement between Elizabeth Jacobson,
the person in charge of cell phone regulation at the Food and Drug
Administration, and Thomas Wheeler, executive director of the CTIA. Under
the agreement, CTIA will fund the FDA to do additional safety studies.

Carlo says that in 1994, Jacobson refused such a cooperative research
agreement, because she didn't think she could both collaborate with the
industry and 

[CTRL] New book exposes secret government experiments on humans

[Dave]

 -Caveat Lector-

This guy is plugging his book at a local bookstore this Sunday afternoon..
prob'ly go check him out.
Got a feeling it may be a case of disclosing more obvious stuff  mebbe
spinning some cover or misdirection for other stuff- whether due to intent
of author or "extra co-operative" alphabet agency personnel...


Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
http://www.ioa.com/~davehart

Stranger than fiction
New book exposes secret government experiments on humans
http://www.mountainx.com/ae/991103moreno.html
by Melanie McGee

How far will a government go to be number one? In his new book, Undue Risk:
Secret State Experiments on Humans (W.H. Freeman and Company, 1999),
Jonathan D. Moreno — who directs the University of Virginia's Center for
Biomedical Ethics — penetrates classified documents and well-tended state
secrets to uncover some of the most horrifying experiments ever conducted in
the name of science.

The experiments perpetrated on concentration-camp victims during World War
II, though hardly a secret anymore, are of course mentioned, along with
startling revelations from the trials of the sadistic Nazi "doctors": Moreno
recounts defense lawyer Robert Servatius' attempt to use an experiment the
United States had conducted on its own prisoners (injecting 800 of them with
malaria) to weaken the prosecution's case, though ultimately that incident
could not compare with the Nazi atrocities inflicted on millions.

But many more examples of American shame lurk between the covers of Moreno's
book, including: The irradiation of prisoners' testicles in Oregon and
Washington state penitentiaries, from 1963 to 1973; the irradiation of
oatmeal at Fernald School, a home for mentally retarded children in
Massachusetts, in the '40s and '50s (which resulted in a $1.85 million
lawsuit after the disgrace came to national attention in the mid-'90s); the
injection of plutonium into low-income hospital patients in the '40s, to
determine how close association with the element would affect those working
on developing atomic bombs; the Army's intentional unleashing of Bacillus
globigii bacteria into New York City subway tunnels in 1966, in order to
study the potential biological weapon's dispersal patterns. And there are
countless other examples.

Due in part to a wholesale cynicism regarding government conduct that peaked
during the Vietnam War era, great strides have been made in protecting
citizens (especially those in the military) from such experiments, according
to Moreno. But he is careful to say that some controlled human
experimentation on willing volunteers is still necessary — especially in the
military — given the threat of biological and chemical warfare from foreign
terrorists.

"[Experimentation] has to be done with a minimum of risk, and there has to
be [public] trust. Someday, we may have that. ... But there is a tragic
element in this, in that there will never be a set of rules that can
[satisfy] everybody," Moreno noted in a recent telephone interview. What
follows is more of that conversation:

Mountain Xpress: Did you encounter much government resistance in researching
Undue Risk?

Jonathan Moreno: No. ... You have to understand the context through which I
got into [the research]. I was staffed with the President's Advisory
Committee on Human Radiation Experiments, and along with the executive order
the president signed establishing the Advisory Committee, he also ordered
the declassification of all relevant documents. The whole federal
bureaucracy was under orders, [including] the six agencies that were
particularly implicated: the Department of Defense, the Department of
Energy, the CIA, NASA, the Department of Health and Human Services and the
Veterans' Administration. So there was no resistance at all. Quite the
contrary. The people I dealt with, especially in the Pentagon, were falling
over themselves [to be helpful]. Of course, they were under orders — but
also, they were generally interested, and offended at the thought that their
forebears might have been abused [in human experiments]. Also, there was
concern about inaccurate information getting in the press, and [the book]
giving the impression that the armed forces had deliberately abused its
members in the past — had used them as guinea pigs. So there was certainly
concern about misrepresentation, and I tried to be very careful. [But] the
reality was that some of what was done was harmful, was wrong, and involved
people in the armed forces. But each of the cases has a somewhat different
flavor to it.

MX: For every case like Fernald that causes a public scandal and receives
widespread media coverage, are there many more such cases that may never
come to light?

JM: I'm very confident that we don't know all that might be in government
archives concerning biological- and chemical-warfare experiments and
activities. The Advisory Committee was really [concerned with] radiation
experiments; we didn't really get to go on to 

[CTRL] The Medical Privacy Scam: Big Brother Wants Your Medical Records

[Dave]

 -Caveat Lector-

Please forgive duplicates.

Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
http://www.ioa.com/~davehart


 P L E A S EF O R W A R D
 The Medical Privacy Scam: Big Brother Wants Your Medical Records

 On Friday, Oct. 29th, President Clinton announced U.S. Department of Health
and Human Services Secretary Donna E. Shalala's proposed rules which claim
to protect the privacy of Americans' personal health records that are either
transmitted or maintained electronically.  These rules were published in the
Federal Register today, November 3rd.
 America is being scammed by HHS initiated press releases into thinking that
these proposed rules, if adopted, will keep us in control of our intimate
medical details. While HHS's rules spell out clear regulatory restrictions
for how doctors and health plans use our personal medical data, they also
dangerously grant federal, state, and local government health bureaucrats
broad unrestricted access and control of our private medical information
without our consent for anything that can be linked to the self-defined
"national priority purposes" of research, public health, government health
data systems, law enforcement and oversight of the health care system.
(see summary  http://aspe.hhs.gov/admnsimp/pvcsumm.htm  )

 The section of greatest concern in the rules is

"Uses and disclosures permitted without individual authorization."

 Unconsented disclosures are rationalized for "public health surveillance,
investigations and interventions."  Immunization and cancer registries are
also cited as beneficiaries of this governmental information grab. HHS
states in the rules, "We considered requiring individual authorization for
certain public health disclosures, but rejected this approach because many
important public health activities would not be possible if individual
authorization were required."
 Specific government agencies listed as being granted access to individual
identifiable medical records under the pretext of "oversight" include "State
insurance commissions, State health professional licensure agencies, Offices
of Inspectors General of federal agencies, the Department of Justice, State
Medicaid fraud control units, Defense Criminal Investigative Services, the
Pension and Welfare Benefit Administration, the HHS Office for Civil Rights,
the FDA, the Social Security Administration, the Department of Education,
the Occupational Health and Safety Administration and the Environmental
Protection Agency."
 HHS also proposes "to permit covered entities to disclose protected health
information to a law enforcement official without individual authorization
for the conduct of lawful intelligence activities."

 HHS will accept public comment on the proposed rules for 60 days from the
publication date of November 3rd. Public comments can be submitted
electronically to  http://aspe.hhs.gov/admnsimp/and all 631 pages of the
proposed rules are posted at this same location.  We are working on our
formal comments/objections to the proposed rules and will be distributing
them to our email friends and family when they are finished.

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[CTRL] Black Boox

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From http://www.linguafranca.com/br/9911/shatz.html

{{Begin}}
The Guilty Party
BY Adam Shatz
The Black Book of Communism: Crimes, Terror, Repression • By Stéphane Courtois,
Nicolas Werth, Jean-Louis Panné, Andrzej Paczkowski, Karel Bartosek, and Jean-
Louis Margolin
Harvard University Press • 858 pp • $37.50 • October 1999
In 1946, the Russian journalist Ilya Ehrenburg and the novelist Vassily
Grossman published The Black Book, an explosive report on the German
Einsatzgruppen's campaign of terror against Soviet Jews. The book did not sit
well with Stalin, who thought it placed too much emphasis on the identity of
Hitler's victims. After all, mused the Soviet dictator, the Red Army did not
fight fascism merely to save the Jews. As was his custom in such cases, he
suppressed the book, which ultimately entered the subterranean culture known as
samizdat.

A half century later, there is a new Black Book, only this time it is not about
the Nazis but about regimes like the one that banned Ehrenburg and Grossman's
study. The Black Book of Communism is a collection of essays by French
historians on the "crimes, terrors, and repression" committed by the socialist
governments that once flew the red flag over one third of humanity.

When the book was published in France two years ago, during the eightieth
anniversary of the October Revolution, its introduction set off an incendiary
debate by suggesting that communism was more murderous than Nazism--so
incendiary, in fact, that the disillusioned ex-communists who assembled the 858-
page book had a bitter falling-out. The cover of the Harvard edition lists six
editors below the title, giving them the appearance of an anticommunist united
front. But, as the secret history of our century ought to have taught us, such
appearances are often deceptive.

Just weeks after The Black Book of Communism was published, in late October
1997, the volume's two most distinguished contributors--Nicolas Werth, a
historian of the Soviet Union, and Jean-Louis Margolin, a China expert--angrily
repudiated the editor Stéphane Courtois in a series of interviews and articles
published in Le Monde. The scholars were infuriated by Courtois's introductory
screed indicting international communism for "crimes against peace, war crimes,
and crimes against humanity" and characterizing fellow travelers as "common
prostitutes." Worst of all, they complained, Courtois had not permitted them to
see the introduction prior to publication. On October 31, Werth and Margolin
were quoted in Le Monde excoriating Courtois for effacing "the historical
character" of communism and for vastly inflating the number of deaths that
occurred under it.

The introduction had originally been assigned to François Furet, the dean of
French Revolution historians and one of France's most prominent ex-communists.
But when Furet died--shortly after publishing a passionate inventory of
communist crimes and his own intellectual complicity in them, The Passing of an
Illusion--responsibility for the introduction fell to Courtois. In venom, if
not in vim, he outdid the great scholar, blasting Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Castro,
and dozens of others for turning "mass crime into a full-blown system of
government." Moreover, he claimed that communism had caused four times as many
deaths as Nazism: 100 million as compared with Nazism's 25 million. On the
scale of what Hannah Arendt called "radical evil," Courtois implied that
communism deserved a ranking as high as, if not higher than, Nazism.

Courtois was careful to distinguish his approach from the exculpatory arguments
of German revisionist historians like Ernst Nolte, who have let Hitler off the
hook by asserting that Stalin's campaign against Ukraine's kulaks was the
original genocide. He was less careful in charging that "a single-minded focus
on the Jewish genocide," cynically encouraged by communists after the war,
"also prevented an assessment of" communist crimes. In fact, the Jewish
genocide barely registered among French intellectuals until the late 1980s,
when Raul Hilberg's seminal study, The Destruction of the European Jews,
finally appeared in translation. The Russian gulag, as exposed by Aleksandr
Solzhenitsyn, had received far more attention thanks to the new philosophers of
the 1970s.

To some French readers, Courtois's recitation of communist crimes against
humanity smacked of fascist apologia. After all, this was a country where, as
the Princeton historian Anson Rabinbach observed in Dissent last year, "the
demand for a 'Nuremberg trial of communism' has a particular connotation,
frequently reiterated by Jean-Marie Le Pen, leader of the National Front, to
justify not prosecuting French crimes of the Vichy era." Since the book's
publication coincided with Maurice Papon's trial on charges of Nazi
collaboration during the Vichy years, French readers were invited to
contemplate the notion that partisan resistance fighters, many of them
communists and all of