Re: [CTRL] Colorado's heroes
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 4/25/99 1:42:18 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In 1991 - my sister went to Washington; she visited the Soviet Embassy; she went to the Kennedy Centr, and sat across from an individual whom I detested, Jeane Dixon - whom she said only looked frail. She was an Int. Trade Rep and Dir. of a World Trade Clubwhen at the Kennedy Center, a friend stated she started to act strange; she did not drink or smoke. What was the cause of death determined to be? Do you think the autopsy was legitimate? Do you suspect poisoning, and if so, is her table-mate at the Ken Ctr a suspect? Samm DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The FACTS are still the FACTS.
-Caveat Lector- Previous thread: Colorado's "heroes" Fellow Lollards, In a message dated 99-04-25 09:37:01 EDT, revcoal spins: I've actually admired Davis' way of dealing with the press...and yes, I spotted right off that he was bluffing every time he said "I don't know about that" and "I have no information regarding that" Let's first acknowledge Revcoal's apparently vast understanding of police procedure. From reading Revcoal's comments, this person must have previous experience in the following fields: 1) Telephonic Emergency Management 2) Press Conference Protocols 3) Dispatch Assignment 4) Crime Scene Management and Control If you have not studied the above areas in detail; if you have not been officially trained in the same; We are forced to presume that you are an armchair quarterback-- spewing opinions based on what one might have learned from watching Baywatch Nights and T.J. Hooker. None of Revcoal's opinions can change a single fact. 1) The police entered the LIBRARY, several HOURS after the initial flurry of bullets took flight. 2) Police waited outside, continuing to INSTRUCT THOSE INSIDE to fend for themselves through the 911 dispatch operator. 3) The heavily armed and bullet-proofed S.W.A.T. [team] waited outside--- while shots rang out for AT LEAST TWO hours. 4) Some students were inside for approximately THREE HOURS. 5) Police stood by, KNOWING there were innocent, UNARMED men, women, and children inside the buildingAS SHOTS CONTINUED TO RING OUT FOR SEVERAL HOURS. 6) Police did not secure this building for almost SIX HOURS. Those are the facts, and pointing out minor discrepancies with a small portion of reports, does not change the overall picture. Deal with it. In a message dated 99-04-25 09:37:01 EDT, revcoal spins: I like it that Davis doesn't seem to be a robot parroting the 'official' line...*...I'd be really bothered if he was spoonfeeding the press (and hence the public) packaged 'answers'... Comments like these above, truly reveal Revcoal's abscence of insight and lack of common sense for what is taking place. The "official" line *IS*: 1) "I don't know". 2) "I am not aware at this time" 3) "I am not sure" And these *ARE* the very lines that Davis "roboted" and "spoonfed" to the press. There is a distinct separation between parroting versions of "I don't know", and at least acknowledging what has become the common stock of public knowledge through not only the first hand reports of students, but those of adults as well. In a message dated 99-04-25 09:37:01 EDT, revcoal spins: he's (Davis) been leaving open the possibility of more than 2 people having done the shooting and bombing on Tuesday, and that Harris and Klebold may NOT have died by their own hands. Initially, the official police statements on the subject of "other suspects", was a FLAT OUT, "NO, there are no other suspects, both suspects are deceased." While Davis' repeated "I don't knows" have not ruled out the possibility of other suspects, it is a far cry from a purposeful intent of -- "leaving open the possibility of more than 2 people"-- as Revcoal has attempted to IMPLY-- and would *like* us to believe. Secondly, the truth of the matter is that police did not begin to acknowledge the possibility of another assailant, UNTIL the public outcry on numerous radio stations (and various TV interviews with eyewitnesses), made it clear that Coloradans were not going to be brainwashed into forgetting facts like so many of those in Oklahoma City were. Davis dodges practically every single question, and when asked if he is going to come back with some REAL answers, Davis says that he has no need of writing down the questions that he failed to answer, because, (afterall), he has a good memory. To this, Revcoal stated the following In a message dated 99-04-25 09:37:01 EDT, revcoal spins: Which was his way of saying "You'll get the answers on OUR schedule, not YOURS..."...again, since this is an ongoing invest- igation, I have no problem that he's not sucking up to the media by giving them what they want, just so he can become a media darling...That is called PROFESSIONALISM... We must evidently add the title of professional psychic to the already growing list of Revcoals assumed talents. We are most fortunate to "really know" what he was "actually saying" via our new talented medium. What is the purpose of holding a press conference? If a press conference is held to unleash FACTS, then we have no need to "read between the lines" of "what he meant to say." If the purpose is to buy time and string along facts and make statements--which at base deny the truth of [now] well known eye-witness accounts, then Davis held an excellent press conference. And this, Revcoal calls "professionalism". In a message dated 99-04-25 09:37:01 EDT, revcoal spins: First of all, it wasn't 'the
Re: [CTRL] Eyes on the Isles
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-04-26 01:01:56 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lady Thatcher has discussed war strategy with the Prime Minister in a series of telephone calls, some lasting as long as 30 minutes, all of which were initiated by Downing Street. She emphasised the importance of Britain taking a lead and of "stiffening the spine" of the Americans, in a similar fashion to the moment in the Gulf war when she chided George Bush for going "wobbly". Listen to your mommy, wussy-boys -- oops, I mean, great patriarchal leaders ... DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Newt gets one right (pretty much)
Clinton and the Military from a former CTRL subscriber http://www.reagan.com/HotTopics.main/document-4.23.1999.3.html -- THE REAGAN INFORMATION INTERCHANGE www.reagan.com Newt Gingrich on America's Military Vulnerability On Dividing Our Military Budget into Defense and Policing America's Military Vulnerability Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich has suggested America would be well served if we now thought about our military budget as being two parts: the Defense Budget and the Policing Budget. The Defense Budget is for those expenditures to protect America, our economic interests overseas, and the integrity of our security interests everywhere. The Policing Budget is for those expenditures to keep peace around the world and to intervene in conflicts where we must act because no other national can or will do so. President Clinton has created a national security emergency, neglecting the overall Defense Budget while stretching our troops around the world. The evidence: * America is dangerously close to running out of Air Launched Cruise Missiles --House Armed Services Committee * More than one half of the B-1B's at Ellsworth Air Force Base cannot fly a mission because they lack critical replacement parts --House Armed Services Committee * America is diverting planes from their patrols over the "Iraqi No-Fly Zone" in order to meet the requirements of the mission in Kosovo --House Armed Services Committee * Less than a month into a "small" operation, President Clinton is already calling up 33,000 reservists to active duty --House Armed Services Committee * The U.S.S. Enterprise nuclear Aircraft Carrier set sail short 400 personnel --House Armed Services Committee * Today, there are 265,000 American troops stationed in 135 countries --House Armed Services Committee * There are no United States Aircraft Carriers in the Pacific Ocean --Frank Gaffney, Center for Security Policy. -- HotTopics Online Preprocessor Copyright 1996-1999 Waveshift, Inc. To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address or (un)subscribe ignition-point-digest email@address www.telepath.com/believer ~~~ Jamie W. "visualize honest media" Jackson, truth addict "Strange it is that men should admit to the validity of the arguments for free discussion, but object to their being 'pushed to an extreme;' not seeing that unless the reasons are good for an extreme case, they are not good for any case. Strange that they should imagine that they are not assuming infallibility when they acknowledge that there should be free discussion on all subjects which can possibly be doubtful, but think that some particular principle or doctrine should be forbidden to be questioned because it is so certain, that is, because *they are certain* that it is certain. To call any proposition certain, while there is any one who would deny its certainty if permitted, is to assume that we ourselves, and those who agree with us, are the judges of certainty, and judges without hearing the other side." --John Stuart Mill, Chapter II, Of the Liberty of Thought and Discussion, On Liberty (1859) If you still think that voting Republican is the "right" thing to do, please get your head examined. v Received: from ridge.spiritone.com (ridge.spiritone.com [205.139.108.2]) by sparrow.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00974 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 19:43:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jamie.SpiritOne.com (m6-245.spiritone.com [208.130.240.245]) by ridge.spiritone.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA21445; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 19:43:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: 002e01be8f8e$cb0b5c80$[EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "Jamie Jackson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Hoomit Macon Cerne" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Newt gets one right (pretty much) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 14:56:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I strongly agree, at least in one essential, with Mr. Ex-Speaker on this one. Our ability to intelligently discuss military operations would be vastly improved by dividing our discussion into two realms, and using different language in the two cases may be the quickest way to accomplish this. I suggest we divide all military operations into those authorized by the Constitution and those not so authorized, and entitle the two categories "legal" and "illegal". Oh, wait... I guess I'd already done that. Huh.
[CTRL] Serbs Raping All Kosovar Women
-Caveat Lector- Women for Rape Sought by Serbs By ELLEN KNICKMEYER .c The Associated Press BRAZDA, Macedonia (AP) -- City by city and village by village, Serbs are hunting down young women to rape as they loot, empty and burn Kosovo's ethnic Albanian communities, women escaping beyond the province's borders say. International monitors, war crimes investigators and NATO all are reporting numerous accounts of rapes in Kosovo -- atrocities that Yugoslav and Serb officials deny. Witness testimony so far indicates the rapes in Kosovo are ``neither isolated nor incidental,'' said Patricia Sellers, a U.N. war crimes prosecutor at The Hague, Netherlands, whose workers are gathering the first accounts. ``When the police entered the town, that was the first question they asked: 'Are there any women here?''' said Valbona Rrustemi, 19, of the southern Kosovo town of Urosevac. Rrustemi fled Urosevac with her family April 16, the day after two girls came running through her family's garden, saying Serb police were after them, she said. Minutes later, police knocked at the family's door, asking if there were any young women, she said. Her father said no while she hid, Rrustemi said. Word later reached her of four Urosevac women who had been caught by the Serbs that day, she said. They included a friend who was raped in the street, Rrustemi said. She named the friend and gave her age, 22. The woman's cousins had confirmed the attack, Rrustemi said. No one has heard of the woman or her immediate family since. ``I don't know what happened to them. I hoped they escaped,'' said Rrustemi, one of several women at the Brazda refugee camp to give accounts of rapes in Urosevac. NATO, also citing refugee accounts, contends there have been several instances of mass rapes, well-organized on at least a local level: At Djakovica, near the Albanian border, Serb soldiers allegedly took women from their families and sent them to an army camp where they were held for repeated rapes. In Pec, a local Serb commander allegedly held ethnic Albanian women at a hotel, organizing a schedule by which his soldiers could come to spend an evening. At an ammunition factory and ferronickel plant at an unspecified site in Kosovo, 100 women allegedly were still being held as of mid-April. In many cases, word that Serbs were separating ethnic Albanians into groups of women and men was enough to send families fleeing -- making rape a means of emptying communities, as much as massacres, arson and looting. ``The intent is to not just to intimidate and humiliate the actual physical victim but also to somehow intimidate those who are standing there either looking at it or hear about it,'' Sellers said. The United Nations first prosecuted rape as a separate war crime after the 1992-95 Bosnian war. In the first case to focus exclusively on rape, the U.N. War Crimes Tribunal for former Yugoslavia sentenced a Bosnian Croat paramilitary chief in December to 10 years in prison for failing to stop subordinates' 1993 rape of a Bosnian Muslim woman. Serb forces in Bosnia were widely accused of using rape as a means of ``ethnic cleansing.'' Sellers said it was too early to tell if rapes in Kosovo were as widespread as in Bosnia. Refugees from Kosovo say the targeting of women continued even as their convoys were being escorted out of the province. In one instance, Serbs looking for women stopped vehicles of residents from the area of the southern city of Gnjilane en route to the border, but the convoy's Serb escorts protected the women, villagers said. Many of the accounts of Serbs seeking out women to rape come from people who escaped rather than those who were caught. So far, reports gathered by the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe number in the dozens, ``and not many dozens,'' said Jorgen Grunnet, a spokesman for the head of the OSCE's Kosovo mission. Sellers predicts the numbers will rise. ``The incidents are very close right now. We notice that people are much more willing to come forward several months ... after sexual violence has happened,'' she said. ``Right now, some of their priorities might be actual physical survival.'' Accounts of rapes are increasing, including reports from refugees arriving Sunday in Macedonia that Serb paramilitaries raped four girls ages 15-20 before killing them, along with about 15 other people of their village of Ribar i Vogel, last week. War-crimes investigators will also have to cope with the horror with which ethnic Albanian culture regards rape. Kosovo Albanians said many victims may be too shattered to talk, particularly women from villages rather than cities. Teuta Beselica, a student forced from Pristina and now living in Skopje, Macedonia's capital, was one of many to call rape the worst crime imaginable -- a ``disaster'' to Kosovo Albanian families. ``It's the worst thing you can do to an Albanian male, basically,'' Beselica said. ``Killing a man or a woman is not half as
[CTRL] Thousands of Riot Police in SOUTH Korea
-Caveat Lector- S. Korean Police, Strikers Clash By KYONG-HWA SEOK .c The Associated Press SEOUL, South Korea (AP) -- Thousands of riot police marched onto a Seoul university campus Sunday, touching off violent clashes with striking subway workers and sympathizers who fought back with rocks and firebombs. Several workers were injured but none of them seriously, police said. The strikers are protesting government-ordered corporate reforms that are expected to result in mass layoffs. The subway strike was ruled illegal because it did not observe a mandatory 15-day cooling-off period. The government gave the striking subway workers until Monday to return to work or face automatic dismissal. ``About half of the striking subway workers have not returned to work. We'll start action against them,'' Seoul Mayor Ko Kun said after the 4 a.m. Monday deadline. Prime Minister Kim Jong-pil called an emergency meeting of Cabinet ministers Monday to discuss the next move. At state-run Seoul National University on Sunday, 2,000 riot police, backed by armored vehicles, marched 200 yards onto the sprawling campus to try to disperse 2,500 workers who have been holed up there for a week. About 100 workers and students fought back, wielding steel pipes and hurling rocks and firebombs. They fled after setting fire to wooden chairs and garbage bins piled up as barricades. A police helicopter cast its searchlights over the campus and broadcast warnings that workers would face arrest and punishment if they didn't disperse voluntarily. Police said their scare tactics were working. After two similar raids on Sunday, the number of workers at the school dropped from 5,000 to 1,000, they said. Still, strike leaders taking refuge at a Roman Catholic church in central Seoul were defiant. ``There will be no backdown until our demand for no layoffs is accepted,'' Suk Chi-soon, head of the 11,000-member Seoul subway union, said earlier. Tension appeared to ease considerably after the 40,000-member union of Korea Telecom, the nation's main telephone operator, abruptly decided to shelve their strike plans four hours before they were to have taken effect. The telephone union gave no formal explanation, but local media said the union's leaders believed that they had failed to build consensus among rank-and-file members for their strike plan. The leadership later resigned. The telephone union's decision dealt a serious blow to plans by a powerful umbrella labor group to escalate protests drastically this week in support of the one-week-old Seoul subway strike. But the militant Korean Confederation of Trade Unions, which claims a membership of 500,000, said that more than 30,000 auto and shipbuilding workers will go ahead with strike plans this week. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] E. Europe Seduced Abandoned by NATO
-Caveat Lector- "Russia has threatened to sever relations with NATO if any of the Baltic states --Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia, once under Soviet control-- become NATO members." NATO Raises Bar for New Members By HARRY DUNPHY .c The Associated Press WASHINGTON (AP) -- The door to NATO remains open to new members, but they may find getting over the threshold more difficult than the alliance's three newest members did. The Membership Action Plan approved by participants at the weekend NATO summit provides no timetable for accession of new candidates nor any guarantee they will get in. Rather, it establishes a program of activities designed ``to assist aspiring countries in their preparations for possible future membership.'' These include commitments to strengthen democracy, human rights, democratic control of the armed forces and programs to improve military cooperation with the 19 NATO countries. In effect, what NATO appears to have done in the 10-page plan is to raise the bar for alliance membership. ``This provides a reality check on these nations' idea that NATO is their Father Christmas,'' said Daniel Plesch, director of the British-American Security Information Council, a liberal research group that specializes in European defense issues. Romanian Foreign Minister Andrei Plesu said he was not satisfied with the plan because it does not include a precise schedule for admitting new members. ``The time horizon is there but this is not going to satisfy our wish for an exact deadline,'' Plesu told the Romanian private news agency Mediafax. But Slovenia's Foreign Minister Boris Frlec does not agree that starting accession negotiations now will become more difficult. ``We see the plan as a paved road leading to membership and we feel we already have fulfilled a number of the criteria it contains,'' Frlec said. ``It is meant to provide concrete help to countries that have ambitions to join.'' Vygaudas Usackas, the political director of Lithuania's Foreign Ministry, said the plan commits NATO members to helping countries that want to join through mutual engagement. ``These are the guidelines we have been waiting for,'' Usackas said. In the summit communique, the prospective new members are named in groups. They are Romania and Slovenia, which almost made it in at the last NATO summit, in Madrid, Spain, in 1997, when the alliance decided to admit Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic. Then come the three Baltic states, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. Bulgaria and Slovakia get separate mention for ``positive developments'' since Madrid, meaning they have become more democratic. Rounding out the list are Macedonia and Albania, which are bearing the brunt of the refugee exodus from Kosovo but have no serious chance of joining for at least a decade. Macedonia's President Kiro Gligorov sharply criticized NATO for not inviting his country to join NATO, saying the alliance had shown no appreciation for Macedonia's efforts to qualify for membership. ``Macedonia has been circumvented and has again been put in last place,'' Gligorov told reporters Sunday. Slovenia and Lithuania are most often cited as being at the top of the list under a plan that would take in one southern European country and one northern one. But admitting Lithuania, which like its two Baltic neighbors were part of the former Soviet Union, could provoke a crisis with Russia. It has threatened to sever relations with NATO if any of the Baltic states join NATO. Whatever their chances of membership now, none of the prospective new members are likely to be admitted until early in the next century, officials in these countries have acknowledged. NATO members and officials have said the alliance needs time to get used to working with its three newest members. Before the summit, countries that want to be in the next wave of expansion said they expected NATO members to provide them with a road map setting out what requirements they had to meet to join. They were not disappointed. The Membership Action Plan outlines what aspiring countries have to do to strengthen their candidacies. The MAP, is a ``practical manifestation of the Open Door and has five chapters ... that highlight mechanisms through which preparation for possible eventual membership can be carried forward,'' the document says. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat
[CTRL] NATO: US UK vs Germany, France, Italy ...
-Caveat Lector- "`Military interventions must be legalized by a U.N. mandate,'' German Chancellor Schroder said, insisting that [under its charter] NATO has no authority to send armed peacekeeping troops abroad without at least the approval of the United Nations. "France's President Chirac agreed: 'NATO cannot and will not be able to act without the authorization of the United Nations Security Council.' " Yet the Clintonblair stomps on, heedless of international law even while using it as a catchword to justify their own de facto aggression, as they invade a sovereign nation. NATO, the EU, and the UN apparently have no significance to the Anglo-American imperialists except as expedient "fronts" offering a veneer of legitimacy, masking what would otherwise be seen as purely jingoistic nationalism with a global powerlust. Cracks Showing in Still-Strong NATO By BARRY SCHWEID .c The Associated Press WASHINGTON (AP) -- As NATO celebrated its 50th birthday and brandished its might over Yugoslavia, cracks showed through the brave front. In a polyglot alliance that no longer confronts the Soviet bear, unity does not come easily. ``This summit was an impressive demonstration of unity despite the fact that some skeptics feared it would not be wise to hold a summit in times of war,'' said German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, elected only last year and hence new to the bloc. But even Schroeder, like French President Jacques Chirac, who is more vocal in his independent views, did not yield submissively to the hard-line leadership of President Clinton and his loyal friend, British Prime Minister Tony Blair. ``Military interventions must be legalized by a U.N. mandate as a rule,'' the German leader said, reflecting a widespread view that NATO lacks the authority to stop merchant vessels carrying oil to Yugoslavia and to send armed peacekeeping troops to Kosovo without at least the approval of the United Nations. Where a smaller NATO could close ranks easily to confront the Soviet Union, the now 19-member alliance, with its door open to even more members, has to struggle to work together when the issues no longer are black and white. Even the otherwise airtight bonds between the United States and Britain were loosened over the question of whether NATO should send combat troops to Yugoslavia to try to deliver a knockout punch after more than a month of NATO bombardment. France and Britain had signaled before the summit that they favored using ground troops in the inconclusive conflict, but Clinton much prefers depending for now on an air campaign; so the contentious issue was shelved. There was no way, though, to disguise the fissures over the American initiative to mount a blockade to keep oil shipments from getting to Yugoslavia. Stopping neutral vessels normally is an act of war, and Chirac registered his reservations. Insisting also on specific approval of the U.N. Security Council for peacekeeping operations, Chirac said: ``NATO cannot and will not be able to act without the authorization of this international organization.'' The United States contends the authority to intercept oil tankers at sea and to deploy NATO peacekeeping troops in Kosovo is derived from a U.N. embargo and other Security Council resolutions. Asked at a news conference whether NATO would need a new resolution to intervene outside the territory of its members, NATO Secretary-General Javier Solana said, ``No.'' Basically, the U.S. view on peacekeepers prevailed, but the communiques and other statements NATO issued at the summit reflected some of the divergence that marked the private deliberations of the leaders. Initially, the Clinton administration had in mind a NATO force, supplemented by troops from Russia and some other non-members. This was transformed at the summit to a statement that ``NATO remains ready to form the core of an international military force.'' In a little-noticed ripple of discord, meanwhile, Turkey forced the allies to guarantee that it and other allies that are not in the European Union would be consulted before NATO troops are sent into emergency action. Greece, which came into the summit more impressed than any of the other allies with a potential cease-fire and other proposals floated by Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic, fell in with the non-compromise NATO stance on Kosovo. Italian Prime Minister Massimo D'Alema, who also was considered a bit wobbly before the summit, concurred as well. Italian warplanes are participating in the attacks on the Serbs and, dramatically, so is the German Luftwaffe, the first battle campaign for German forces since World War II. Hungary, one of the three new members of the alliance, is also among the most anxious. ``It's extremely complicated for Hungary,'' said Prime Minister Viktor Orban, clearly referring to 300,000 ethnic Hungarians who live in the Serbian province of Vojvodina. There is concern they could be put in jeopardy by
[CTRL] Columbine Questions...
-Caveat Lector- Tried to send this yesterday, but I was over my post limit... -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 11:58:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Columbine Questions... To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] First off, anyone remember CNN et al doing nonstop, no-commercial-interruptions coverage of the funerals of kids killed in previous school shootings? Secondly, in catching CNN's broadcast of Rachel Scott's funeral yesterday, I found it interesting at the end, when they had the 'mime' portrayal of the Easter story, that they said Ms. Scott had performed it 3 weeks before, AT THE HIGHSCHOOL... Three weeks ago was Easter...so, was Ms. Scott's performance part of an Easter pageant put on by the school? Even if it was part of a generic talent show put on by the school that just happened to occur during the Easter season, it's interesting that a PUBLIC SCHOOL would have allowed such a blatantly 'Christian' performance to have been put on... The Tomlin kid's funeral was the day before, also at a conservative Christian church with a fundamentalist bent...and it was stated that the kid spent his spare time as a Christian youth counselor... So while the media trumpets that the shooters targeted 'minorities and jocks', we have two victims who seem to have been openly Christian, and who made it well-known that they were Christian... It will be interesting to find out how many of the other victims may also have been overtly Christian... Remember the prayer-group that got gunned down at Paducah? June *===* It is not enough that yearly, down this hill, April Comes like an idiot, babbling and strewing flowers. -- Edna St. Vincent Mallay: Spring *===* *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The FACTS are still the FACTS.
-Caveat Lector- On Mon, 26 Apr 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's first acknowledge Revcoal's apparently vast understanding of police procedure. From reading Revcoal's comments, this person must have previous experience in the following fields: Less than your flame states, more than YOU actually have ;-) None of Revcoal's opinions can change a single fact. 1) The police entered the LIBRARY, several HOURS after the initial flurry of bullets took flight. Yes, and if you think I am DEFENDING what the police did on the 20th, you are mistaken... But the event now being done, what I was responding to was your rant against what is being provided (or, more accurately, NOT provided) in the PD's press conferences...my contention is that just because they obviously screwed up on the 20th, they should not now further screw up by revealing details of the investigation just to suck up to the media... And what I've noticed is that when the media is trumpeting some new 'fact', such as the supposed suicide note, that in the press conferences the spokesman is NOI rising to the bait and confirming -- or denying -- the existence of the note, the contents of the note, and whether it's valid or not... Because if he did, he may reveal to those who were also involved in the shootings exactly what the police do, and do not, know... Because even tho it was later announced that the suicide note was a hoax, it is STILL evidence, as it may have been sent by someone who was also involved, and who's intent on throwing investigators off their track... So anyone conducting a press conference has no business discussing with the media (and hence the public) that the note was considered a hoax, until its validity, or lack thereof, had been conclusively determined, and an investigation into who exactly had sent it when was conducted. 3) The heavily armed and bullet-proofed S.W.A.T. [team] waited outside--- while shots rang out for AT LEAST TWO hours. Again, if you think I am defending this action -- or lack thereof -- you are mistaken... 5) Police stood by, KNOWING there were innocent, UNARMED men, women, and children inside the buildingAS SHOTS CONTINUED TO RING OUT FOR SEVERAL HOURS. Yes, and we've been told they didn't do anything because they feared for their own lives...so why did they take the job? Seems to me someone wanting to be a cop, especially a SWAT cop, is agreeing to be paid by the taxpayers just to do that very thing, to take the risk of being harmed or even killed themselves, to defend and protect the public... I like it that Davis doesn't seem to be a robot parroting the 'official' line...*...I'd be really bothered if he was spoonfeeding the press (and hence the public) packaged 'answers'... Comments like these above, truly reveal Revcoal's abscence of insight and lack of common sense for what is taking place. At least I know how to spell 'absence'... And again, what makes you feel the cops HAVE to reveal details of an ongoing investigation to you? The "official" line *IS*: 1) "I don't know". 2) "I am not aware at this time" 3) "I am not sure" And these *ARE* the very lines that Davis "roboted" and "spoonfed" to the press. No, it was the response of someone inexperienced in dealing with the major media who didn't want to reveal exactly what the cops know or don't know, because if he did, then he'd be tipping the PDs hand to anyone else involved in the shootings who the cops are watching... So instead of giving any sort of answer which might compromise the ongoing investigation, Davis instead lamely answered 'I don't know', 'I am not sure', etc. Lame answers, but not for a lame reason... You're too used to LA cops who play up to the media, more concerned with becoming pseudo-stars by playing up to the media and saying more than they should about a current case, than in maintaining professionalism... There is a distinct separation between parroting versions of "I don't know", and at least acknowledging what has become the common stock of public knowledge through not only the first hand reports of students, but those of adults as well. But what is 'common stock of public knowledge' is part of an ongoing investigation, and there's no reason we should expect the cops to COMPROMISE that investigation (and hence risk not getting anyone else involved) by chatting it up with the media airheads... Initially, the official police statements on the subject of "other suspects", was a FLAT OUT, "NO, there are no other suspects, both suspects are deceased." No, what I heard were various MEDIA outlets claiming that was what the police said...but in every press conference, Davis pointedly NEVER said they had conclusively determined that there were only 2 suspects, that they were still trying to 'find that out'...again, an answer that one should expect, since why should the cops tip off other perps that the perps indeed are
Re: [CTRL] Dusk
-Caveat Lector- On 24 Apr 99, , Alamaine wrote: Take ''Basketball Diaries,'' the 1995 movie based on Jim Carroll's autobiographical book about his tumble from New York City high-school basketball star to heroin addict. In the film there is a dream sequence in which Leonardo DiCaprio, wearing an ankle-length black-leather coat and brandishing a 3-foot-long (1-meter) rifle, walks into his high-school classroom and starts blowing away students. One by one. In slow motion. To a score of rock music. Kills his teacher, too. His friends in the class are saluting each other with celebratory high fives and laughing. So was Bryan Goluboss, the screenwriter, drafting from reality to make his screenplay authentic? Or was his creation copied by real students in Littleton, Colorado, who wore real trench coats and blew away their real peers? ''Basketball Diaries'' already was cited as a factor in the shooting two years ago of three students in West Paducah, Kentucky. Authorities said the 14-year-old shooter in that incident may have planned his attack after watching the movie. In the wake of this latest tragedy, Mr. Brode urges taking a wide look. ''The way I see it,'' he said, ''is there is not more darkness or more lightness than before. It's that everything is more extreme today. The middl e is gone. The darkness is darker than before.'' Gee, "The Basketball Diaries" is a pretty old bookbeen around for quite a long time. Seems to me it was written quite a few years ago. But then, I guess highschool students couldn't read. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] fw: [KILLNET] fw: SENSE AND NONSENSE FROM COLORADO
-Caveat Lector- On 24 Apr 99, , Prudence wrote: wasn't happy with the world I lived in, but I thought that with great effort, I could change things. By the time I realized I could not change anything, I was far too involved in the world to have time to entertain ideas of its destruction. Perhaps young people today realize they can never change anything much earlier. I think you're really be on to something here. I, too, really believed, as a young person, that I could "change" things, create something totally different and happier. It is what I (and stop, I know many of you will not agree) thought the 60s was all about. Such optimism about positive change! To be young and to feel that change is impossible, that whatever is out there will not only not get better but is getting worse-- yes, I think that would account for all sorts of madness. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Colorado's heroes
-Caveat Lector- This is one of the things I had to let go; in her job she met and exchanged views with many people; there were people with whom she got close, that I did no trust who were Gordon Novel types; she trusted everybody. I raised enough hell and turned into a screaming banshee until I got to hear the tapes, and was sent the entire report. The fact that Jeanne Dixon sat that close to her was it a coincidence. And what happened when she left the table; did someone in a joke do something and put something in a drink, I do not know. I herd this after she died from a person at the table...a lot of tears were shed and people from Washington sent a lot of flowers; her job was important but her salary certainly did not keep up with her job She had an IQ in the upper 10 percent, but she was also very innocent and trusted everyone. She dialed 911 for help; and and the Fire Chief to this day - recently retired - still maintains she was dead for 2 house which was impossible. And then, the police told me 911 did not tape calls, which I knew was a lie.the police went in her home after the squad called, and took pictures, going into every room in the house; her house had been ransackedshe had a new place with new carpeting just installed In reading the reports, I could see they were scaredI sat in a room in the police station calling them every name in the world, bastards, ignorant, etc., nothing stronger than thtand they just sat there and took it. End result..the coroner just ruled probably pneumoniayet, when I talked to her she did not have a cold, etc. One other itemDanny Zacks - she had taken over 100 Hogarth prints - original engravings to him. She had picked them up months before, and he bought a placejust down the road from hershe knew of this family as they owned Max and Irmas, R.G.Berry, etc., and presumed he was okay. He is now in prision having stolen stuff in the south; he had a fence operation, but his family was very wealth, and there was suit in court about moneyanyway, he stole all those prints and got away with it. My attorney headed up Detroit FBI office for 25 years, and whenever I needed help he was always thereheis so old now and very ill.. I only know for sure that she acted strange at the dinner at the Kennedy Center; that she was fine when she came to my house; tht we talkedin the night she called 911 = maybe an hour after we talkedthey said she had been dead 2 hours because her body was coldshe was taken in as a JAne Doe and the coroner's office - well, they had at one time this Doctor charged with murder of a black Doctor, along with another Doctor who not charged but was therewith a Mafia "made" killer named DeleoI was working on this stuff, and the one hd the nerve to come to my office...won't go into thatbut just the thought of her being taken to the county morgue, she lived a few blocks from me.taken in like JaneDoe for autopsy, when they knew she was my sisterthere is a lot of stuff that is not coincidence dealing iwth other people. If the police had not lied, and the fire department had not lied, I would have accepted the story. This 911 what horrified me was when I called a voice said "Colleen, we are so sorry".911 is just another police phone...I still had a few friends there, and the Mayor and Safety Director got me what I needed.one policeman thought she died a "natural"death. It was then I wanted to find out who 911 wasthere is so much more to this stuff, that I do not know for sure. I let the matter drop for one reason - the fire deprtment was afraid I would sue or something or they would not have lied; the police were afraid of something - probably me, but I still had few friends there. They were scared. It would do not good; she was already dead and she did not hve to die. They did absolutely nothing to help her.but for some reason, thought she had been murdered...only one officer from the report, thought she was not. I do not know. I know April this month I was thinking of our law office blowing up; and the litte tiny propane tank was not oursat the time I was still working on some of this stuff and my boss said "My God, I am beginning to believe all this stuff:, I cannot go further on this, or will take your day. At this time, had it not been for Jeanne Dixon being there,looking old and frail as Kathy said = but it crosses my mind...Kathy was flying in and out of Canada and other places, and visited the Soviety Embassy and attended meetings where the Prince of the Netherlands was in this one groupnow she was not socially involved of course with these people, these were business contacts. Apil seems to e dates for bombing; Memorial Days often Naval Disasters.Sbil Leek died on October 26, Kathy October 29 - and even Hogarth died on October26.and Zacks got all those Hogarth prints, which contained anti masonic stuff, etec. Paul
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[CTRL] It's about children, not brownie points.
-Caveat Lector- Previous thread: The FACTS are still the FACTS. Fellow Lollards, I have ignored the majority of Revcoal's previous blather, but feel the need to address the her following questions that bring unneeded doubt and spawn misinformation. Towards the end of this post are additional FACTS that you may not hear on the news outside of the state of Colorado. In a message dated 99-04-26 07:48:43 EDT, revcoal says: Again, it was the mainstream media on which I heard the 'partyline' of 'only 2 suspects, who committed suicide' story, and not from the lips of any official police spokesperson...*...Davis pointedly NEVER said they had conclusively determined that there were only 2 suspects Official or not, I have Davis on tape, at the first impromptu press conference, stating that there are "NO further suspects, as BOTH of the ONLY suspects are dead". Actually, I also have Jim Parr (sp?) stating the same thing. In a message dated 99-04-26 07:48:43 EDT, revcoal says: And again, what makes you feel the cops HAVE to reveal details of an ongoing investigation to you? Having previously owned a small local paper, I still have my press pass. Considering that I was PRESENT for the press conference that you think you know so much about, maybe you ought to go back to doing dishes and quit playing internet detective. People, these press conferences were about covering up information, and most everyone out there understands that this was the point of my previous post to this group. Those of you who have *carefully* read my contributions to this list, might recognize the fact that several contentions that I have brought up, are now surfacing in some of the media outlets. Simply decide who is contributing valid information, and who is playing Ace Ventura. I previously reported that the full-time security guard on campus was in direct contact with police from the moment the shooting began. Housewife June has asked if I can document my "claim", and adds that: "[S]ecurity guards as a rule are worthless in defending the public, rarely if ever receive any sort of professional training, rarely if ever even get trained in first aid and CPR..." Gee June, did you happen to know that the security guard was an off-duty Jefferson County Officer who, by radio, WAS in direct contact with the dispatch center? Here in Colorado, where we are one officer at a time becoming a police state, off-duty officers rotate in shifts, or work opposite of their regular police shift, in schools; video rental stores; high traffic entertainment centers; etc. People like myself, are part of a movement which is pointing out that these off-duty officers are using state vehicles, gas, etc., while making money at their part-time jobs. Either way, this was a COP on duty as the High School's security guard. This proves to be only ONE of Revcoal's ill-informed statements. Revcoal's entire argument about "point to point" radio contact, as well as your assumptions toward the inability of the "security guard, are BOTH completely irrelevant in light of the fact that this was an off-duty POLICE officer. Revcoal truly does not know what she is talking about, and she is [unfortunately] spreading disinformation through her own lack of credible data. In a message dated 99-04-26 07:48:43 EDT, revcoal says: Remember, there are over 2000 students at this school...even if only one percent of them tried to call on pay and cell phones, you're talking approximately 20 calls coming in at once on a system that probably only has about 20 lines operational... You have a valid point!!! Let's see, 20 incoming calls, 20 lines operational. Is there supposed to be a problem here? Before you open your piehole, make sure that you are not falling into the trap that I am setting for you. Do *YOU* know how many emergency calls were placed between 11:00 a.m.and 11:30 a.m on Tuesday the 20th? In a message dated 99-04-26 07:48:43 EDT, revcoal says: The teacher was only one of DOZENS of callers who were kept online... This is irrelevant. The point of contention, was that this teacher could not have been on hold, blocking her OWN call's inability to get through to 911; which, Revcoal's own contradictive statements foolishly concluded. In a message dated 99-04-26 07:48:43 EDT, revcoal says: The teacher was only one of DOZENS of callers who were kept online... Considering that we have not been able to confirm ANY calls more than the couple that have been released via tape, I would sure like to see this assumption of Revcoal's documented. The readers on this list should note that the great majority of my own statements do not begin with, "we can guess" or "presumably", "probably", as Revcoal's are forced to. In a message dated 99-04-26 07:48:43 EDT, revcoal says: I can't see any fault with the 911 operators themselves. Readers, this is just one of June's semantic arguments which were never the point of discussion in the first place. The point was that the 911
Re: [CTRL] Serbs Raping All Kosovar Women
-Caveat Lector- Das GOAT wrote: -Caveat Lector- Women for Rape Sought by Serbs By ELLEN KNICKMEYER .c The Associated Press BRAZDA, Macedonia (AP) -- City by city and village by village, Serbs are hunting down young women to rape as they loot, empty and burn Kosovo's ethnic Albanian communities, women escaping beyond the province's borders say. -snip- The United Nations first prosecuted rape as a separate war crime after the 1992-95 Bosnian war. In the first case to focus exclusively on rape, the U.N. War Crimes Tribunal for former Yugoslavia sentenced a Bosnian Croat paramilitary chief in December to 10 years in prison for failing to stop subordinates' 1993 rape of a Bosnian Muslim woman. -snip- How many camcorders are over there I wonder? How many people, expressly children are going missing? This war sounds more like Who is sacrificing to what Deity? And using the fact that some will make money on the side helping them sacrifice to that Deity? IS this a theme that has run through one of the early ones like Baal, one that demands human sacrifice initiation could be a symbolic human death through the death of and animal -- like the mysterious cattle killed in America yet those cattle were not rustled, or using dogs. Highlighted by cultures that have tried to put warnings in their history Egypt parts of the KKK Hitler pedifilia Shouting help, but who hears since it is not politically correct to teach enough history for people to be able to fight. The question is: are they celebrating a Deity that they believe is incarnated in a person? Or this A group of people that represent the Deity? They have played with people that have tried to tie it down to one person or group of people before. Treat the symptoms and I believe that the snake with many heads with begin to hurt and to show it's-self by it's actions since they seem to have to do certain things. They do not want the week end warrior, they want the children. The Pied Piper DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [12b] Crime, Big Business Watergate
-Caveat Lector- an excerpt from: The Breaking of a President 1974 - The Nixon Connection Marvin Miller, Compiler Therapy Productions, Inc.©1975 LCCCN 7481547 --[12b]-- INTERNATIONAL INTELLIGENCE INC. When Mary Carter Paint Company changed its name to Resorts International, several attempts were made to give the impression that organized crime was not involved in its gambling casinos despite all that had gone on. Some well-known Lansky men were fired from the casinos, and Resorts International put up $2 million to form International Intelligence Inc. (Intertel), an agency which guaranteed to keep any legal gambling operation free from or-ganized crime influence. Heading Intertel was the same Robert Peloquin who as a Justice Department investigator had warned of the likelihood of a Lansky skim at Resorts International's Paradise Island Casino. He resigned from the Justice Department to become vice-president of Paradise Enterprises Ltd., the corporation set up by Sands, Groves and Mary Carter Paint to organize security at the new Nassau casinos. From Paradise Enterprises, Peloquin shifted to Intertel, a 91 per cent - owned subsidiary of Resorts International. It is believed that Howard Hughes owns the other 9 per cent. Intertel describes itself as an organization devoted to "safeguarding business from the hidden risks of vulnerability to organized crime, and assisting states and cities in developing comprehensive crime control plans. Intertel is a unique consulting organization created specifically to provide businesses, industrial concerns and trade associations with expertly designed management systems that would enable them to repel infiltration by organized crime." In a 1970 brochure which Intertel distributed to some interested publications, the President's Commission on Law Enforcement and Administration of Justice is approvingly quoted as saying in 1967: "There is a disturbing lack of interest on the part of some legitimate business concerns regarding the identity of the persons with whom they deal. This lackadaisical attitude is conducive to the perpetration of frauds and the infiltration and subversion of legitimate business by the organized criminal elements." The Intertel brochure, backed by the impressive experience Robert Peloquin had acquired as one of the top governmental investigators of organized crime, goes on to say what Intertel has to offer the legitimate businessman: Wherever business succeeds, there is a threat of infiltration and subversion by organized crime. The threat to corporate giants is gigantic. The effect on smaller business is often devastating. Organized crime's activity in the business community is more diverse than any conglomerate's. Its members and associates are astute businessmen. They are profit-oriented; they invest and manipulate billions of dollars in business. Yet most businessmen know virtually nothing about the economic threat and danger signals of organized crime. Until now businessmen concerned about the problem have had no wholly suitable place to turn for help. That is no longer true. A new company has been formed to give that help: International Intelligence Inc. INTERTEL. Organized criminals who injure business today do not look like stereotyped criminals. They are executives and technicians. Their forte is manipulation of computer information, tampering with accounting procedures, theft of trade secrets and invasion of confidential company files. They thrive on exercising dangerous influence over key employees and executives in parent or subsidiary companies, and the corruption of associates, suppliers, distributors, customers and competitors. Those are vulnerable areas through which organized crime can penetrate and ultimately control a business or an industry. Those are the areas largely overlooked by management in many businesses. Organized crime can not be disregarded. Its influence will not disintegrate on its own. Affirmative action must be taken by the business community. Consideration must be given to the integrity of management and key officials in companies with whom any business relationship is contemplated. Are their money sources legitimate, or do they represent part of the $7 to $10 billion profit organized crime nets every year from illegal operations and wants to invest in legitimate business? Intertel has the unique capability of studying your company, analyzing the potential for such losses in its various divisions or subsidiaries, and identifying the areas of vulnerability. We can recommend new management systems, or improvement of existing ones. We can provide the necessary intelligence about businesses and management with whom you are considering a merger, acquisition, joint venture or other relationship. Management thus can avoid loss of profits, dissipation of assets, and ruin of business reputation. The Intertel brochure then goes on to detail what it can do for specific types of businesses. For professional
[CTRL] CTRL Conspiracy
-Caveat Lector- This list is a really fine group of conspiracy folk. Can't even find the one right under their own noses. There was once a time when you could only post 4 times a day. There were many more "factual" posts and less discussion. Many of the older members are no longer here or post much less frequently. Threads of pure drivel go on forever. There was discussion of splitting the list into one for "serious researchers" by invitation only and then there are the rest of us. Nitwits. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Strange Symbolism at NATO Summit (fwd)]
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Brian Redman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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STRANGE SYMBOLISM AT NATO SUMMIT
(CNNS, 04/25/99) -- A broadcast by local independent radio
(WEFT-FM) news outlet, "News From Neptune" (4/24/99), pointed out
some strange symbolism at the NATO summit held these past few
days in Washington, DC.
According to the broadcast, the main conference layout involved
the NATO "logo," a cross eerily reminiscent of the Nazi swastika,
surrounded by tables arranged in the form of a pentagon.
("Pentagon," as in *the* Pentagon.)
This news service has been imperfectly able to corroborate the
existence of a weird symbolic layout arranged for the NATO summit
main conference. From news video of the NATO summit, it indeed
appears that the conference tables were arranged in the form of a
pentagon, and surrounded the NATO "iron cross" logo.
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IIRC, the NATO logo is a stylized compass, not a "cross"...certainly *not* an
"Iron Cross"! BUT the pentagonal table layout was decidedly weird...it sent
chills up my spine when I saw it. Sure, it might have had to do with space
limitations...but surely a circle would have done the job as well as a
pentagon?? (Or is that a...pentagram? Nah...)
Bob
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[CTRL] Ted Bundy
-Caveat Lector- http://www.crimelibrary.com/bundy/attack.htm Theodore Robert Bundy by Rachael Bell ATTACK! She was not asleep, as her roommates had thought when they approached the bed of Joni Lenz on the afternoon of January 4, 1974. They found her lying in a pool of blood that was seeping from her head and face. Terrified, her roommates removed the covers from Joni Lenz's body only to find an even more horrible sight. A bed rod had been torn away from the bed and savagely rammed into her vagina. Shortly after her discovery, Joni was transported to the hospital as she lay in a coma, suffering from brain damage that would affect her for the rest of her life. However, she was lucky to be alive. Joni was one of the few victims to survive an attack by Ted Bundy who reigned terror across the United States during the 1970's. There were countless more victims before and after Joni who were not so fortunate to have lived. Some thirty-six women may have fallen prey to Bundy, but only he knew for sure. It is a number that Bundy has carried with him to his grave. The Trials Theodore Robert Bundy faced three trials, all spaced within three years. His first trial date for the Chi Omega murders was set for February 22, 1978, in Miami, Florida. Three months later, he would go on trial for the attacks on the Chi Omega sorority sisters. It would be more than a year later on January 7, 1980, that Bundy would face his final trial for the murder of Kimberly Leach. However, it would be the trial for the Chi Omega murders that would seal his fate forever. During the Chi Omega murder trial, Ted acted as his own defense attorney. He was confident in his abilities and believed he would be given a fair trial. Twelve jurors, mostly African-American, looked on as he defended himself against the murder charges. Bundy was fighting a losing battle. There were two events in the trial that would sway the jury against Bundy. The first was Nita Neary's testimony of what she had seen the night of the murders. While on the stand, she pointed to Bundy as the man she had seen fleeing down the stairs and out the door of the Chi Omega House. The second event that swayed the jury during the trial was the testimony of odontologist, Dr. Richard Souviron. While on the stand, Dr. Souviron described the bite mark injuries found on Lisa Levy's body. As he spoke, the jury was shown full-scale photographs of the bite marks that had been taken the night of the murder. The doctor pointed out the uniqueness of the indentations left behind on the victim and compared them with full-scale pictures of Bundy's teeth. They matched perfectly. There was no question that Bundy had made the bite marks on Lisa Levy's body. The photos would be the biggest piece of evidence the prosecution had linking Bundy to the crime. On July 23rd, Bundy waited in his cell as the jurors deliberated over his guilt or innocence. After almost seven hours, they returned to the courtroom with a verdict. Showing no emotion, Bundy listened as one of the jurors read out GUILTY." On all counts of murder, Ted was found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Later, Ted would also be found guilty at his second trial for the attacks against Kathy Kleiner and Karen Chandler. On July 31st, Ted Bundy would be sentenced to die in the electric chair. On January 7, 1980, Ted would go to trial for his last time for the murder of Kimberly Leach. With evidence stacked against him, he would once again be found guilty. It would be a month later, when Bundy would again be sentenced to death for the third time. He would eventually confess to the murders of 28 women. However, many believe the number of deaths to be much higher. No one will ever really know how many women fell victim to Ted Bundy; it would be a number he would take to his grave. After countless appeals, Ted was finally executed on January 24, 1989. = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Fwd: Fw: Re: Fw: SICK virus]
-Caveat Lector- Well, sorry.I have a web tv, just the keyboard you hold on your lap; my computer has no modem. Sent this out in case it would be helpful, and did not read all of it, but it sounded as though the guy knew something,. Just passed along in case. Colleen DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Flawed Heroes?
-Caveat Lector- I ran across this passage in Jaan Puhvel, *Comparative Mythology*, Baltimore: The Johns Hopkins University Press, 1987, p. 243, referring to "...the warrior who was not divine but a saga hero manipulated by deity, not a king but merely in the royal service." References to "function" are to the three "functions" or "estates" of traditional Indo-European society, namely priest, warrior, and peasant or merchant. "This is the kind most marked by a tense relationship to the environment where he operated, to his divine and human patrons and his social constituency at large. He had no agglomeration of transfunctional attributes to lose, but he nevertheless managed to offend (or was perceived as offending) all segments of the social order by a structured set of misdeeds. With his flawed willfulness (or perhaps rather his 'programmed,' predestined, predictable nature) he compromised his career by nadir episodes that involved impious/unjust/sacrilegious, cowardly/underhanded/unwarriorlike, and covetous/venal/adulterous acts respectively. ... The varieties described are found in epic, saga, and folklore, from the fells of Scandinavia to the jungles of India, from the Bay of Bengal via the Gulf of Argos and the Tiber to Galway Bay. They kinds are not extinct--they were spotted no long ago on both the Mekong and the Potomac." The reason the myths and legends of our Indo-European heritage (and please remember that this is a *linguistic* heritage, not racial) resonate with us even today is that they embody spiritual and psychological truths about human behavior and our relationship with our gods. We are not so far removed from our ancestors that we can afford to forget that essential fact. If we have advanced at all, we have advanced materially; our weapons are deadlier, our "horses" faster than those of our forebears...but *we* have not changed in essence. We still act out those same ancient stories, time after time after time. It is only because we have largely forgotten the myths, or relegated them to a dusty bookshelf, that anything we do to each other seems "new." I started out to compare Bill Clinton to the "flawed heroes" Puhvel writes about, but realized as I wrote that if these stereotypes and archetypes apply to anyone, they must apply to *all* of us equally. We are *all* flawed heroes, again and again violating the basic code of conduct set forth for us by society. It *is* possible to overcome that interior programming which compels us to misbehave, but it means that we have to, first, trust our selves, and, second, trust each other. If we are not willing to do those two things, we will just keep repeating the same mistakes over and over and over again. And before we rush to blame Bill Clinton, or Slobodan Milosevic, or Li Peng, or Boris Yeltsin, look inside our own selves and decide whether perhaps we don't need some changes *there*, before demanding that the rulers of the world live up a standard which we do not observe in our own lives. I know that's kind of preachy...but I do think it's valid. As the Quaker Elias Hicks wrote two hundred years ago, "We are never tempted by the devil without, but by the devil within." Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:]
[CTRL] A reality check for everyone
The End of the Line [Image] Insect Transmission of HIV [Image] Anyone who tells you categorically that AIDS is not contracted by saliva is not telling you the truth. AIDS may, in fact, be transmissible by saliva, tears, bodily fluids, and mosquito bites. [Image] --Dr. William Haseltine, Chief of the Division of Retrovirology, Harvard University Question: Reports indicate that as many as 40% of the AIDS-infected children in parts of Africa have AIDS-free mothers; how did they become infected? Answer: Many of them became infected by insect bite. Every major plague in history has been tied to some type of environmental factor. Cholera and typhoid are spread through contaminated water. Tuberculosis is commonly spread through fomites (towels, dishes, etc.) and aerosol water droplets spewed into the air through coughing and sneezing. One sneeze, for example, can expel 50,000 micro-droplets of water at up to '00 miles per hour traveling many feet away from the person who sneezes. Each one of these droplets is capable of carrying the disease. Smallpox was transmitted by fomites and food. With every other epidemic in history -- plague, yellow fever, typhus, malaria, denge fever, etc. -- insects were the vector of transmission. A study in Zaire determined that children with malaria were several times more likely to test positive for AIDS. The only way to get malaria is through mosquito bites. The Pasteur Institute performed a study in '989 which showed that 30% of the mosquitoes in tested in Africa were infected with HIV. Lab studies in the U.S. have shown that mosquitoes which are allowed to feed on HIV-infected blood still retain active viruses in the blood cells they have consumed for up to 8 days. Many types of mosquitoes have a flying range of about 40 miles. There are two main methods that the virus can be transmitted by insect bite: mechanical and biological. Blood products that remain on the biting mouth parts of the insect can be introduced into a new host simply through the mechanical act of biting through the victim¹s skin. The virus can also reside comfortably in the saliva and digestive fluid of the insect and can be infused into subsequent victims through the mouth/feeding tube during the biting/feeding process at any time. At this point in time, over 80 different species of virus are known to be transmitted to humans by mosquitoes and other blood-sucking insects such as fleas, ticks, head lice, biting flies, etc. Dr. Jean Claude Chermann of the Pasteur Institute, in Paris, reported he has located the DNA of the AIDS virus in field specimens of virtually every African insect species that bites humans. He further determined that 30% of the insects tested contained the AIDS virus itself. This is particularly significant because in most insect-borne diseases only 3% of the insects are routinely found to be infected. This means that the AIDS virus is ten times more concentrated in these insects than usually considered necessary for insect transmission of a disease. AIDS infectivity research pioneer Dr. William T. O'Connor (Chapter 7, AIDS Exposed ) made the following statement on insect transmission of HIV among humans: If 'they' knew that insects could spread HIV, 'they' would certainly protect themselves, too, wouldnt 'they'? And 'they wouldn't hide that information, would 'they'!? Well, here's the 'they:' You mentioned the Pasteur Institute, it wasn't so much the Pasteur Institute, it was Dr. Jean-Claude Chermann who went to Africa and did the studies and found that HIV was in every insect that had contact with human blood. The...question is: can that (HIV) come out of their genome? Is it first spread through to the male line and is it found in the non-bloodsucking mosquitoes...the male mosquitoes? Guess what? It was in the male population of mosquitoes. The big question is, can active, infective viral particles get out of that (male) mosquito? When Jean-Claude Chermann was asked by me, in person, when I met him in Marseilles and toured his facility, he said he had received death threats. And he elected to stop studying it. The scientific question as to whether insects can carry HIV is (officially) unanswered. And it is unanswered because the leading virologist in the world (on the subject) cared more about his family and himself. I don't blame him! If somebody told me, 'You keep up that line of research and we will kill you,' I'd stop, too. In Africa, in '88, no one was infected, not even the prostitutes. Now, in Central Africa, you can see up to 60% of given populations infected. I'm saying that in a decade, you can't rely on just sex (transmission) to do that. And it isn't hard to catch! That is
[CTRL] World War Three Set To Start In July - Nostradamus
-Caveat Lector- Source - http://my.netscape.com/news/OddlyEnough/04_26_1999.reodd-story-bcoddnostrada mus.html World War Three Set To Start In July - Nostradamus CAPE TOWN (Reuters) - World War Three will start in July in the Balkans, last seven months and end in victory for the U.S.-led North Atlantic Treaty Organization, according to a new analysis of 16th century French seer Nostradamus. "He is clear it will start before the end of the century during the period of Cancer which is between June 22 and July 23, and in a triangle bordered by Greece, Italy and Turkey, which is the Balkans," University of Stellenbosch Professor of Political Science Willie Breytenbach told Reuters Monday. "I have to emphasize I am a skeptic. I am an academic who was bored on a Sunday. But what I found was so chilling that I put pen to paper," he added. NATO allies have been bombing targets in Serbia for more than a month in a so-far abortive effort to force Serbian President Slobodan Milosevic to stop expelling the ethnic Albanian majority in the Serbian province of Kosovo. The air campaign has triggered angry responses from Russia, caused a biblical exodus of refugees from Kosovo and forced the allies to contemplate sending in ground forces. Breytenbach said he found references to the conflict in 18 of the 950 quatrains written by Michel de Notre Dame in 1555 which have been found to refer to the fire of London, Louis Pasteur and Adolf Hitler among others. "In one quatrain he mentions the Slav people. He also mentions war in the mountains which, taken with what we know and the talk of land forces, all gelled," he added. One of the quatrains also mentions a "tyrant" whose name begins with "M," which could refer to Milosevic. Another notes that the Serbs will "change their prince," which Breytenbach took to be a reference to the possible overthrow of the Serb leader. In another verse there is a reference to three years and seven months of peace before the war. "I suddenly noticed that the Dayton peace accord was signed on November 21, 1995. Adding three years and seven months to that brings us to the end of June 1999," Breytenbach said. The Dayton peace accord, to which Milosevic was a signatory, finally ended the conflict in Bosnia. Breytenbach said Nostradamus made several references to the fact that Greece would be involved in the conflict and that there would be bloodshed in Turkey. There is also mention of the involvement of Italy. There are references to the Alus, which Breytenbach took to refer to the NATO allies in which the United States is the dominant force, and the Mabus which he said could refer to Macedonia, Montenegro, Albania, Bosnia and Serbia. "He, Nostradamus, is quite clear the war will last seven months and the ultimate victor will have been born on American soil," Breytenbach said. --- "Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] WingMakers: Project Briefing and Background]
-Caveat Lector- "H. Caulfield" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- 23 chambers... A simple set of 23 words... within the optical disc there was a segmentation of the data into 23 units Written October 23, 1998 Obviously the WingMakers were a sect of time-displaced Discordians. -- A child of five could understand this! Fetch me a child of five. Hail, She What Done It All! 23 Skidoo, Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Nato's pentagon shaped table
-Caveat Lector- The Pentagon is a Satanic Symbol -- Forwarded for info and discussion from the New Paradigms Discussion List, not necessarily endorsed by: *** Lloyd Miller, Research Director for A-albionic Research (POB 20273, Ferndale, MI 48220), a ruling class/conspiracy research resource for the entire political-ideological spectrum. Quarterly journal, book sales, rare/out-of-print searches, New Paradigms Discussion List, Weekly Up-date Lists E-text Archive of research, intelligence, catalogs, resources. To Discuss Ideas: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://msen.com/~lloyd/ For Ordering Info Free Catalog: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://a-albionic.com/ For Discussion List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] text: subscribe prj [EMAIL PROTECTED] **FREE RARE BOOK SEARCH: http://a-albionic.com/search.html ** Explore Our Archive: http://a-albionic.com/a-albionic.html Please Patronize PRJ's Advertisers: http://home.msen.com/~daugh/store.htm Many Pay Even If You Just Look and Don't Buy! Video Finder, Free catalogs, Health Products, Sweepstakes, Etc. *** Sean Rodger wrote in message ... Someone mentioned this in an earlier post. At the Nato summit, they all sat around a five sided table...Whats the deal with this? What is the meaning of this shape? We have the Pentagon building in Washington, and the pentagon shaped table for Nato...The pentagon obviously has meaning, but what could it be? I saw or read somewhere that its a masonic symbol, but i'm not sure about that... -Sean Forwarded for info and discussion from the New Paradigms Discussion List, not necessarily endorsed by: *** Lloyd Miller, Research Director for A-albionic Research (POB 20273, Ferndale, MI 48220), a ruling class/conspiracy research resource for the entire political-ideological spectrum. Quarterly journal, book sales, rare/out-of-print searches, New Paradigms Discussion List, Weekly Up-date Lists E-text Archive of research, intelligence, catalogs, resources. To Discuss Ideas: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://msen.com/~lloyd/ For Ordering Info Free Catalog: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://a-albionic.com/ For Discussion List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] text: subscribe prj [EMAIL PROTECTED] **FREE RARE BOOK SEARCH: http://a-albionic.com/search.html ** Explore Our Archive: http://a-albionic.com/a-albionic.html Please Patronize PRJ's Advertisers: http://home.msen.com/~daugh/store.htm Many Pay Even If You Just Look and Don't Buy! Video Finder, Free catalogs, Health Products, Sweepstakes, Etc. *** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Sign off
-Caveat Lector- To the person who wanted to curtail the number of individual posts: I don't see the difference in having more posts than you can read and not having them in the first place. At least in the first case, you have the potential of reading them sometime. Also, it helps people who are trying to collect data on a specific topic for a larger research project. CTRL serves that function in addition to being one of the best places to conspiracy net chat. I'm in LA next week for the BookExpo and a lecture at the Midnight Special book store (see http://www.umsl.edu/~skthoma for details). I hope some CTRL readers come by to press flesh. I'll need to power down from here for the time, though, so as not to crash my e-mail reader. I know I lurk more than post, but in case anyone notices my absence, there's the reason. Before I go, though, I want to point out this new book from the University of Minnesota Press, Conspiracy Theories, Secrecy and Power in American Culture by Mark Fenster. It's not a total diss as one might expect from the academy, although the utterly discredited Gerald Posner is quoted on the back cover. You can get the flavor from this quote: "Steamshovel Press editor/publisher Kenn Thomas has written several articles and a book that make bold and fanciful connections beyond the already extraoridinary ones covered in the more mainstream press." Fenster concludes that "conspiracy theory ultimately fails as a political and cultural practice. It...fails to inform us how to move from the end of an uncovered plot to the beginning of a political movement," as if that is truly what he or the other armchair academics want. (Gerald Posner, revolutionary. Yeah, right.) I hope that whatever career path Mr. Fenster has followed, teaching or law (Ph.D. from U. of Illinois and Yale law degree), that on some he level he really picked up more from his encounter with the conspiracy research community. CTRLers are a bottomless fount of information and revelations per minute, a vital group of performing philosophers who advance human understanding far better than the tired rhetoric of phony idealism. It would be helpful to Fenster to see it that way, whether he's tackling conspiratorial machinations in some university department's tenure track or prosecuting/defending conspiracy in the court. Best to all. I'll log back on next week. Kenn Thomas Steamshovel Press http://www.umsl.edu/~skthoma DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Sign off
-Caveat Lector- I want the book; but, when will you be in Columbus Area Also, where are the postings..I need Roads End Stuff now while I have some time. Thanks DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Country Joe Update
-Caveat Lector- Country Joe McDonald has updated the "Fixing to Die Rag," which was performed by Luci Murphy at the Anti-NATO rally in DC last week. Excerpt: Come on all of you big strong men, Uncle Bill needs your help again Started another imbroglio In a little region called Kosovo So sell your mutual fund and pick up a gun, You're gonna have a whole lot of fun And it's 1, 2, 3, what are we fightin' for? Don't ask me; I don't really know, my next stop is Kosovo! And it's 5, 6, 7, Yeltsin may take the bait! It's World War III up in the sky, Whoopee! We're all gonna die! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] OT: Humour: Engineers Trivia
-Caveat Lector- : Comprehending engineers : : Two engineering students were walking across campus when one said, "Where : did you get such a great bike?" : The second engineer replied, "Well, I was walking along yesterday minding my : own business when a beautiful woman rode up on this bike. She threw the bike : to the ground, took off all her clothes and said, 'Take what you want.'" : : The second engineer nodded approvingly, "Good choice; the clothes probably : wouldn't have fit." : : Comprehending Engineers-Take Two : : An architect, an artist and an engineer were discussing whether it was : better to spend time with the wife or a mistress. The architect said he : enjoyed time with his wife, building a solid foundation for an enduring : relationship. : : The artist said he enjoyed time with his mistress, because of the passion : and mystery he found there. The engineer said, "I like both." : : "Both?" : Engineer: "Yeah. If you have a wife and a mistress, they will each assume : you are spending time with the other woman, and you can go to the plant and : get some work done." : : : Comprehending Engineers-Take Three : : What is the difference between Mechanical Engineers and Civil Engineers? : Mechanical Engineers build weapons. Civil Engineers build targets. : : Comprehending Engineers-Take Four : : The graduate with a Science degree asks, "Why does it work?" : The graduate with an Engineering degree asks, "How does it work?" : The graduate with an Accounting degree asks, "How much will it cost?" : The graduate with a Liberal Arts degree asks, "Do you want fries with that?" : : Comprehending Engineers-Take Five : : To the optimist, the glass is half full. To the pessimist, the glass is half : empty. To the engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be. : : Comprehending Engineers-Take Six : : Three lawyers and three engineers are traveling by train to a conference. : At the station, the three lawyers each buy tickets and watch as the three : engineers buy only a single ticket. : "How are three people going to travel on only one ticket?" asked one of the : three lawyers. : "Watch and you'll see," answers one of the engineers. : They all board the train. The lawyers take their respective seats but all : three engineers cram into a restroom and close the door behind them. : Shortly after the train has departed, the conductor comes around collecting : tickets. : He knocks on the restroom door and says, "Ticket, please." The door opens : just a crack and a single arm emerges with a ticket in hand. The conductor : takes it and moves on. The lawyers saw this and agreed it was quite a clever : idea. So after the conference, the lawyers decide to copy the engineers on : the return trip and save some money. When they get to the station, they buy : a single ticket for the return trip. : To their astonishment, the engineers don't buy a ticket at all. : "How are you going to travel without a ticket," asks one perplexed lawyer. : "Watch and you'll see," says one of the engineers. : When they board the train, the three lawyers cram into a restroom and the : three engineers cram into another one nearby. The train departs. : Shortly afterward, one of the engineers leaves his restroom and walks over : to the restroom where the lawyers are hiding. He knocks on the door and : says, "Ticket, please". : : : : Here is some trivia that was sent to me. I thought these were pretty : interesting. : : 1. In Shakespeare's time, mattresses were secured on bed frames by ropes. : When you pulled on the ropes, the mattress tightened, making the bed firmer : to sleep on. That's where the phrase "Good night, sleep tight" comes from. : : 2. The sentence "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog." uses every : letter in the alphabet. It was developed by Western Union to test telex : communications. : : 3. The only 15-letter word that can be spelled without repeating a letter is : "uncopyrightable." : : 4. When opossums are playing 'possum, they are not "playing."They actually : pass out from sheer terror. : : 5. The Main Library at Indiana University sinks over an inch every year : because when it was built, engineers failed to take into account the weight : of all the books that would occupy the building. : : 6. The term "the whole nine yards" came from W.W.II fighter pilots in the : Pacific. When arming their airplanes on the ground, the .50 caliber machine : gun ammo belts measured exactly 27 feet before being loaded into the : fuselage. If the pilots fired all their ammo at a target, it got "the whole : nine yards." : : 7. The phrase "rule of thumb" is derived from an old English law that stated : you couldn't beat your wife with anything wider than your thumb. : : 8. An ostrich's eye is bigger than its brain. : : 9. The name Jeep came from the abbreviation used in the Army for the General : Purpose vehicle, G.P. : : 10. The cruise liner Queen Elizabeth II moves only six inches for each : gallon of diesel that it
Re: [CTRL] World War Three Set To Start In July - Nostradamus
-Caveat Lector- Puh-LEASE. This is superstitious hogwash. We'd never have heard of Nostradamus if Goebbles' wife hadn't stumbled on a copy in a used book store one day and brought it to her husband's attention DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Speaking Up for Guns, Lots of Them, for Nearly Anyone
-Caveat Lector- "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them." - Richard Henry Lee; Founding Father 'Speaking Up for Guns, Lots of Them, for Nearly Anyone' New York Times April 26, 1999 Frank Bruni SPRINGFIELD, Va. -- Larry Pratt said that his first thoughts after hearing about the bloodshed in a Colorado school were, "This is bad, and there's going to be a feeding frenzy on the gun issue, and I'll probably have to wear a coat and tie to work for the next few days." The television cameras would surely be coming. He should look nice. Pratt, the executive director of the Gun Owners of America, an advocacy group situated in this suburb of Washington, stands tall even when some officials with the National Rifle Association are lying low. He expects as much from NRA officials; they are, he believes, sometimes faint of heart and impure of ideology. Pratt is not. He believes there should be absolutely no regulations governing the sale or purchase of handguns -- no waiting period, no background checks, no trigger locks. Automatic weapons should be as available as hunting rifles. People should be permitted to buy them in abundance. In this more perfect world, Pratt said, many of the deaths in Colorado might have been prevented. "We're saddened that there were not teachers and principals who had access to a gun, who might have been able to stop the mayhem," Pratt said late last week in his office, from which he directs the lobbying and other activities of an organization that he said has about 150,000 members. Pratt's group is a mere shadow of the NRA, and it holds sway over only a small number of extremely conservative lawmakers. But if you are looking for the most unyielding proponents of the right to bear arms, the kind whose ardor and outspokenness are undimmed even by the deaths of 14 teen-agers and a teacher in one ghastly spree, this is where you will find them, along with Pratt, a 56-year-old with a sallow complexion, gray-fringed hair and a gentle voice. He is the kind of man you would ask to watch your luggage while you dashed to the rest room. As Bob Walker, president of Handgun Control, an advocacy group on the other side, said: "His personality is disarming. But his views are not." For Pratt, it is really quite simple: When the founding fathers fashioned the Second Amendment, they rightly saw an armed citizenry as a final safeguard against any possibility of tyranny. And because tyranny does not augur or announce its arrival, it is best to be ready, just in case. "One is advised to buy fire insurance when one's house is not burning down, and you hope it never does burn down, but you're certainly not going to be able to buy it during or after the fire," Pratt said. "And it's the same thing with firearms," he continued, "whether it's a government that goes bad like Milosevic against the Croats and his own people as well as the Kosovars, or Hitler, or Stalin, or whatever, or just the criminal element." Pratt was not always so wary. He described his childhood outside of Camden, N.J., as uneventful. His father, an electrical engineer, worked in television sales for an electronics company. His mother stayed home to rear him and one sister. He first touched a gun as a teen-ager, on a duck-hunting trip with a friend, and then not again until 1968, when he felt compelled to buy one. He was then living just outside Washington, and there were riots under way, and he suddenly felt a sense of helplessness in the chaos. He had a wife and the first of what would be four children. He wanted to know that he could protect them. A graduate of American University with a degree in political science, he worked in the late 1960s and early 1970s for various conservative policy groups before taking the helm of Gun Owners in 1976, one year after its inception. Initially a job, it turned into a crusade as he witnessed a growing number of restrictions over guns. He also came to associate with extremists in the militia movement, white supremacy groups and the violent fringes of anti-abortion militancy. When these ties were revealed in 1996, he was forced to step aside temporarily from his role as co-chairman of Pat Buchanan's campaign for the Republican presidential nomination. Pratt said he had merely given speeches to -- or appeared at events of -- the organizations in question and did not share their racist or anti-Semitic views. He simply wanted to talk to them about guns, he said. He said he has never been the victim of a violent crime, nor has any member of his family, though one of his daughters, then a teen-ager, was home alone at the family's house in Springfield about eight years ago when she saw a man who seemed to be casing the house. Pratt was out of town, but she called him to ask where the gun was. As he told her he felt relief. He said she did not have to use the
Re: [CTRL] CTRL Conspiracy
-Caveat Lector- I am new to the list. I feel that the list is not credible mostly because of the volume. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Movies, and Money?
-Caveat Lector- Post Number 80: Movies and Money; for profit, or not? I have been delaying this Post, but in view of Colorado, perhaps it is time. I have little to add to the information... except a short story: Several years ago, I met a man and his associates who were interested in setting up a separate and new movie production company specifically for G rated movies. To do this, they needed some advice on economics, so we sat down and discussed a number of issues. What the bottom line came down to was, they understood Hollywood and how it worked, and they wanted to use the same methods to finance their production company as is used on Hollywood. This is where my education started. Most of the movies made in Hollywood show no profit for the makers, so they use phony finance programs designed by dishonest men (for reference, see definition of bankers in Part VI of my series) to finance virtually all of the production of movies (and television) in Hollywood. These phony programs are based on worthless paper which banks turn into derivatives and float into the loan programs of overextended banks for very high returns. Once I understood what they wanted to do, I knew there was no way that they would get the financing in place for their proposed company, and, of course, they have not. Not surprising. One more point before we continue: Hollywood. Where did it get its name? Well, the Holly is a tree, and throughout the his-story of the earth, witches have used the wood of the Holly tree as their wands for the purposes of transformations. Thus, Holly - wood; to transform Ever wonder why they call it TV programming? Ever wonder who is being programmed? I still find it amazing the numbers of people who insist on watching the news on TV! It is called TELEVISION NEWS PROGRAMMING!! Of you! MONKEY SEE MONKEY DO After a movie about a prison escape with a helicopter was shown, an actual event happened. After a movie about a greyhound bus being high jacked was shown, an actual event followed. After the first guy high hacked a plane and the media gave it endless coverage, dozens of actual events followed. After the media kept showing endless footage of school shootings to boost their ratings, dozens of actual events followed. Yes, Mr. truth, right and justice for all media man ... in exchange for ratings and money, you will continue to insight and teach millions of kids how to do the same thing. Dear Friends I found something interesting in the Sunday Visitor (a Catholic newspaper) I'm typing it in so you all can read it if you haven't already . HOW TO MAKE MONEY IN THE MOVIES Everybody knows the folks in Hollywood are just in it for the money, and they only deliver the movies that people want to pay to see. Right? If a certain type of movie didn't make money, studio executives would stop making that kind of movie and produce the kind that do make them money, wouldn't they? Those are the questions raised by a major new study by The Dove Foundation, a nonprofit media watchdog group. Tracking the profitability of 2,380 widely released films between the years 1988-97, the organization found that the overwhelming majority of the movies produced are R-rated, even though the least-produced movies, those rated G, were by far the most profitable. During the 10 year period of the study, 55 percent of the movies released were R-rated, while only 3 percent were rated G. But G-rated films produced eight times more gross profit and yielded on average nearly 80 percent greater return on investment than the average R-rated film. The bottom line was clear to Dove head, Dick Rolfe: "If corporate Hollywood's objective is to make money for its stockholders, it should have no problem convincing its creative partners to redirect their efforts form R to G and PG films, and give the public more of what it wants --for profits' sake." Dove is not calling for Hollywood to turn to all kid oriented fare, Rolfe insisted, saying that great dramas, comedies and mysteries can be produced without "naked bodies, exploding heads and filthy language." The study has been delivered by Dove to every major studio executive in Hollywood. Others can read it on Dove's web site: www.dove.org. This sounds reasonable to me, do any of you think things will change? I wish they would, the problem is Hollywood DOES have an agenda. I rarely post to my "entire: mailing list, but this warrants it. Apparently, the suicide note the authorities claim to have found includes a dire warning. Please read this and forward to your entire mailing lists : LITTLETON, Colo. (AP) - Police found what may be a suicide note written by one of the teen-age gunmen that blames this week's bloody rampage at a high school on parents, teachers and "your children who have ridiculed me." The note, obtained by the Denver Rocky Mountain News, appears to have been written by Eric Harris the day before he and Dylan Klebold stormed Columbine High School
[CTRL] The Biggest conspiracy of them all...
-Caveat Lector- If you want a debate on the biggest con of all, here is a start: I do not pay taxes, and I do so legally, using the same information that Nelson Rockefeller used. The laws exist, if you care to use them... When Nelson Rockefeller was being questioned under oath by Congress prior to his assuming the post of Vice President, he was asked; How much money did you make last year? Rockefeller answered, 650 million. And how much Income Tax did you pay on that? they asked. Nothing was the reply. If you pay more taxes than Rockefeller does, dont you think you need more education? TAX IRS SOLUTIONS SYMPOSIUM Brought to you in Puerto Penasco, Sonora, Mexico by Gamaliel Ministries and Burney Brushears, author of Strategic Withdrawal; the Solutions Manual Puerto Penasco is in the Free Zone of old Mexico. No passport needed! This Symposium will last 5 full days, and offers 3 nights of work shops with the speakers. You will get answers to your questions about how you can be as tax-free as Rockefeller. The experts are here! You will leave with the answers for which you have been seeking all of these years! You will finally understand how you, too, can be tax free and judgment proof, while living in America. WHEN? June 7 through 11, 1999 WHERE? Hotel Plaza Las Glorias, on the beach! Sunday, June 6. beginning at 5 P.M. Early check-in and get-acquainted: at the Hotel Plaza Las Glorias. A fruit bar will be in place at 5 P.M., and there will be entertainment from 6 to 10 P.M. Monday, 8 A.M. Official check-in:. Burney Brushears: Welcome, 10:00 11:00 A.M.: History of Effective Tax Planning; 11 A.M. - NOON, buffet lunch until 1:30 P.M.; Roosevelt Drummer, author of the $1000 Tax Magic video and EX-IRS Auditor/CPA, 1:30 This man has saved multi-millions of dollars in taxes for people operating within the United States! - 5:30 P.M. - No scheduled activities for this evening. Tuesday: 9 A.M. Jack Mecham, I(dividual) M(aster) F(ile) corrections. How the IRS fraudulently identifies you as a criminal for tax and criminal investigation purposes, and what you can do about it: NOON; buffet lunch: 1:30 P.M.; Natural Coin Exchange, Warehouse Exchange Explained, or, What is Money and how to bank without a bank: 5:30 P.M.; break for supper: 7:30 P.M. - 10 P.M. workshops Wednesday: 9 A.M. Tom Schauf, Fraudulent Bank Loan practices and the remedy for the same; is there a solution to Americas Problems?: NOON; buffet lunch: 1:30 P.M.; Casey Shaw, Attorney-at-Law; Pure Trusts and the protection of tangible assets, and in conjunction with Jack Mecham, the whys and wherefores of using correct language on legal instruments: 5:30 P.M.; break for supper: : 7:30 P.M. - 10 P.M. workshops Thursday: 9 A.M. Pam and Jim Moran; CPA and International Business Consultants; How the Complex Business Organizations work, and the whys and the benefits thereof; NOON; buffet lunch: 1:30 Surprise guest on issues of health, particularly as pertains to cancer; 5:30 P.M.; break for supper: 7:30 10:00 P.M.workshops Friday: 9A.M. Burney Brushears, Personal Sovereignty, regaining control of your time and your life. NOON - buffet lunch: 1:30 P.M.; Panel of experts featuring all speakers for a general QA session: 4 P.M.; closing comments: 5 P.M., break until the 7 P.M. Bon Voyage Banquet. There is an absolute limit of 200 bodies in the facility that we are using. SEATING IS VERY LIMITED FOR THIS SYMPOSIUM! EARLY REGISTRATION IS ESSENTIAL! If you pay more taxes than Rockefeller does, dont you think you need more education? Strategic Withdrawal: We highly recommend that you purchase the book Strategic Withdrawal, The Solutions Manual and read it before coming to the Symposium. This book has been acclaimed by Carl Klang as being ...the very best book that makes a difficult subject easy to understand. There will be sufficient time during the seminar to question the author and his hand-picked panel of experts and receive detailed answers regarding the protection of your own, personal assets. As with any valuable resource, you are paying not only for the book, but also for a reasonable amount of consultation with the author on how to apply the principles expounded upon in the book. Strategic Withdrawal is only $300.00 plus $3.20 SH. If purchased with symposium pre-registration, the price is only $270.00 with no SH. Registration Fee: $1000 each; additional $250 for a spouse, to cover our direct extra costs. For Registrations paid in full prior to May 15, 1999, deduct 15%. A deposit of $250 is required to hold a seat at this Symposium ($250 non-refundable, and sufficient to hold a seat for husband and wife); however, you may use this deposit to re-schedule yourself for a future Symposium until May 15. $1000.00 for a single person, or $1250.00 for a married couple; deduct 15% for early registration. The registration fee covers seminar and workshops, Sunday Night hospitality evening, Noon Buffet Lunch, and
[CTRL] Fw: AANEWS for Sunday, April 25, 1999
-Caveat Lector- from: AMERICAN ATHEISTS subject: AANEWS for April 25, 1999 A M E R I C A N A T H E I S T S AANEWS #562 ~~ 4/25/99 http://www.atheists.org ftp.atheists.org/pub/atheists/ http://www.americanatheist.org - A Service of AMERICAN ATHEISTS "For Reason and the First Amendment" -- In This Issue... * Civil Liberties, Separation to be the "price of safety"? * A different take on the violence question -- An interview with Dr. Tana Dineen * Resources * About this list... TALKING HEADS TARGET SEPARATION, CIVIL LIBERTIES Threats Of "Shame," Product Liabilities And Government Bullying Characterize The Sunday Morning Discourse Over The Littleton, Colo. Tragedy Pat Buchanan, Bill Bennett and the rest of the Sunday morning crew on the NBC program "Meet The Press" don't have much use for the Constitution in the aftermath of last week's tragic shootings at a Littleton, Colorado high school. The two field commanders in the religious right's "culture wars" were joined by Sen. Joseph Lieberman (D-Conn.), Tipper Gore, Attorney General Janet Reno, British Prime Minister Tony Blair, and child psychologist James Garbarino, author of the book "Lost Boys" and a fast-rising star on network programs articulating the supposed causes of senseless violence. Of particular note was the hostility which Buchanan, Lieberman and especially Garbarino displayed toward contemporary American society, which all three men portrayed as the equivalent of a nation in moral crisis. Participants gave their opinions on the Kosovo crisis, a topic which provided a weird synchronicity for the next topic of discussion -- the violence in Colorado. Buchanan and Lieberman exchanged barbs over the question of armed intervention, but when the subject shifted from foreign to domestic policy -- "kids killing kids" -- there was a sudden convergence of opinion. Analyses and proposed solutions were chilling in the extreme. Tipper Gore, wife of Vice President Al Gore, was one of the first culture mavens to sound the alarm over the content of musical lyrics when she helped to form the Parents' Resource Music Center, and wrote the book "Raising PG Kids In An X-Rated Society." Her thoughts on the Littleton incident consisted primarily of sweeping generalizations concerning the alleged causal links between "violent entertainment" and actual incidents of violence, and cliches such as "We got to step up to the plate here. This is a wake up call..." Gore stopped short of calling for censorship and government intervention concerning "violent" of offensive books, cassettes, videos, lyrics and other cultural materials, though, suggesting that communities "organize themselves" to ask youngsters questions. Gore also adroitly sidestepped direct questions about companies such as Viacom, the entertainment conglomerate which owns MTV and Warner Brothers, and which distributed the film "Natural Born Killers" -- one of several movies now under attack by media commentators and professional "experts" as a possible causative factor in youth violence. Gore again echoed her refrain that all of this was a "wake up call from our kids..." Sen. Joseph Lieberman, a cofounder with Bill Bennett of the Empower America group, was more direct in demanding that government enter the culture fray. When asked by host Tim Russert if he supported a White House summit of entertainment industry CEO's on the question of media violence, he termed the suggestion "a very constructive and important step for the president, the vice president, indeed for the bipartisan leadership in Congress..." There was no discussion, though, of companies -- including small producers -- who might refuse such a summit "invitation," or break ranks with government "guidelines" regarding the content of films, lyrics or other forms of communication. Next, Russert asked Bill Bennett, former Secretary of Education and now one of the foremost religious conservative culture gurus, about gun control, and the possibility of "control on the internet," or putting an end to the sale of video games and music videos to kids. Oddly, Bennett said that he had "no objection to looking at all those fronts." Bennett was first to employ metaphors comparing violent movies to tobacco. He proposed that entertainment companies be grilled with "very hard questions" and singled out "you know, the Levines, the Bronfmans, the people who run Viacom." He then leaped into the religious agenda, discussing the alleged "Trench Coat Mafia," the affinity group of students from Columbine High School linked to the shooting. "If these kids were walking around that school in black trench coats, saying 'Heil Hitler,' why didn't somebody pay attention? I guarantee you if little Cassie Burnow, the little girl who was asked, 'Do you believe
[CTRL] CHEMTRAIL FACs
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded Message Follows --- From: "Skywatch International Inc." [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "discuss" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:(SW Discuss) FW: CHEMTRAIL FACs Date sent: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 04:47:44 -0500 Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 25, 1999 4:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CHEMTRAIL FACs Dear Skywatch, I noticed the contrails about 3 years ago in May while camping on Vancouver Island. It got me angry as what started out to be a beautiful sunny day (we cherish those around here) was changed by these jets flying crisscross over and over all afternoon. These contrails got wider and eventually took over the sky with a haze. Last night I noticed the contrails are back. Perhaps coincidentally its that time of year. After dark they could still be seen from my location. They appeared to extend north as far as I could see toward Canada and to the end of the Olympic Peninsula. I was a bit alarmed as a front moved in last night producing rain and I awoke wondering if whatever was in the contrails became a part of the front. For those of you who might remember, we had a case in May of 1995 of "blobs" falling with the rain over the Grey's Harbor area of Washington state. One person became ill and had to be taken to the hospital. Toxic analysis at the state facilities (Olympia) showed it was pure bacteria. FAA would not comment at that time. The Seattle Times had an article that claimed the logical answer would have been that the navy in their bombing runs over our islands off the coast, hit a school of jellyfish that got pulvarized and got into the atmosphere thru rain condensation. Sometimes I might not feel like the brightest person on this planet but I think that story makes me feel like sort of an Einstein in comparison. Many of you might have heard this story. Tomorrow I am calling the FAA to see if I can find some answers to who or what is in that air corridor from northern Wasington state up to the end of Vancouver Island and the Vancouver area. Kathleen Andersen Seattle Washington Steve Wingate California Director SKYWATCH INTERNATIONAL ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Clinton Plans New Gun-Control Bill (already)
-Caveat Lector- The one thing I detest about the show MSBC puts on regarding the children and like incidents - they have their funeral music already to go; like the Dead Pool these kids have on the net, MSNBC has a Dead Pool prepared as do other news agencies, waiting for people to die. Nothing is spontaneousthey buried Franco and Frank Sinatra a thousand times before they actually died. I would like to now what is behind all this stuff; including, mind control from Billy Milligan (the five point personality kid) to Bundy murdering the kids, to now kids murdering kids). The psychologists are being brought out in droves - repeating cite after cite written by someone else in other books - but the book has not been written yet as to why some of these kids have "dead eyes" when they commit these crimes.I believe these dead eyes are some typeof hypnotic statethey have closed out reality entering into another world - a world of TV and Show time violence. I find revolting the individuals who go on television smiling through the entire ordeal when all the time, they re reading from the same song book The reason the psychologists do not have an aswer is simply this - the book has not been written yet which can explain what happened. Perhaps a book written by Robert Blair Kaiser...RFK MUST Die best describes what happened at Columbine.these were programmed killers set to go off...they say no drugs, I disagree...there are drugs that wash away. Robert Blair Kaiser and F. Lee Baily know about mind control, programing, and have the answers to Sirhan Sirhan as well as Pattie Hearst...both of whom I might add, are or were directly or indirectly acquainted with Rosicrucianism.the group that Hitler thought during WWII were SS British Agents. Wish I knew more about this stuff; but I can better see what is going on, than do anything about itwe leave that to the TV psychologists still singing out of the same songbooks, quote by quote. colleen DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
