Re: [CTRL] ime: Clinton Approves CIA Role

1999-07-06 Thread Das GOAT

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NEW YORK (AP) - President Clinton has authorized the CIA to help topple
Yugoslavia's President Slobodan Milosevic, Time magazine reports today.

CIA computer hackers will try to meddle with Milosevic's private financial
transactions and electronically siphon funds from his overseas bank
accounts,

What's fair for the goose ... If Red China has PROMIS software, maybe next
we'll find out that all the electronic deposits headed for the US treasury
are now in Beijing ...

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[CTRL] The Rehnquist Court

1999-07-06 Thread Das GOAT

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 "The "sovereign immunity" rulings long had been a goal for Rehnquist,
who in 1975 said states should not be bound by federal wage-and-hour laws.
 "When that ruling was overturned in 1985, he wrote he was confident his
view would ``in time again command the support of a majority of this court.''

 So, Rehnquist sees a conflict between "states' rights" and "HUMAN
rights" ...


Chief Justice Gets His Way

By LAURIE ASSEO
.c The Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) - Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist got what he wanted in a
series of recent Supreme Court rulings on states' rights, but he needed the
swing votes of Justices Sandra Day O'Connor and Anthony M. Kennedy.

``They're the fulcrum. As they go, so goes the court,'' said Yale University
law professor Akhil Reed Amar.

``What they do is call the shots'' year after year by casting the votes that
tip the balance on the nation's highest court, added American University law
professor Mark Hager.

During the recently ended 1998-99 term, Kennedy and O'Connor each voted in
the majority in all but eight of the 75 signed decisions. The other seven
justices dissented from 10 to 19 times each, with Rehnquist voting in dissent
15 times.

When the court voted 5-4, the majority most often included the three most
conservative justices -Rehnquist, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas - plus
O'Connor and Kennedy. But either O'Connor or Kennedy can tip the balance the
other way by joining the four more liberal justices: John Paul Stevens, David
H. Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen G. Breyer.

There were 16 cases decided 5-4, and only one of those cases had both
O'Connor and Kennedy in dissent.

The two joined the three conservatives in the most dramatic rulings - a trio
of 5-4 decisions that invoked sovereign immunity to shield states from
lawsuits claiming they violated federal rights such as wage-and-hour laws or
patent protections.

The rulings long had been a goal for Rehnquist, who in 1975 said states
should not be bound by federal wage-and-hour laws. When that ruling was
overturned in 1985, his dissenting opinion said he was confident his view
would ``in time again command the support of a majority of this court.''

The justices did not actually reinstate the 1975 decision, but went a long
way toward it by barring many individual lawsuits against states.

So whose is the dominant voice on the court? Legal experts disagree.

Perhaps O'Connor, says University of Utah law professor Michael McConnell.
She staked out a pro-states' rights view in her second year on the court,
writing in dissent in a 1982 utility case that the majority was letting
Congress ``kidnap state utility commissions into the national regulatory
family.''

``She may be the leader of this movement,'' McConnell said.

But she also took the court in the other direction, joining the liberals in a
5-4 ruling in May that lets students sue schools for failing to stop other
students from sexually harassing them.

Kennedy sharply dissented from that decision, one reason Pepperdine
University law professor Douglas Kmiec said he proved the more intriguing
justice. Another reason: Kennedy wrote the main decision in the states'
rights cases, a ruling Kmiec saw as a shift in direction from the court's
1995 vote to bar states from imposing term limits on members of Congress.

Erwin Chemerinsky, a law professor at the University of Southern California,
said he regards O'Connor and Kennedy as crucial swing votes but added, ``I
also think this is the Rehnquist court.''

Rehnquist someday may best be remembered for the success of his views on
states' rights - ``his most driving ideological goal with regard to
constitutional law,'' Chemerinsky said.

Assessing the justices' recent contributions is like watching a horse race
and trying to figure out which one got its nose in front, suggested
University of Colorado law professor Robert Nagel.

Pepperdine's Kmiec agreed, and said such vying yields ``fairly pragmatic''
results.

``Even when they're not closely balanced in a specific opinion, they tend to
be closely balanced in terms of the overall work of the court,'' he said.

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[CTRL] Racist Church

1999-07-06 Thread Das GOAT

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Shooting Suspect's Church Criticized

By CHRISTOPHER THORNE
.c The Associated Press

EAST PEORIA, Ill. (AP) - It styles itself as a religion, but the World Church
of the Creator - to which alleged racist killer Benjamin Nathaniel Smith once
belonged - has no altar and no place of worship.

Its leader is a skinny 27-year-old who reaches dues-paying members mainly
through an Internet site dripping with racism and maintained from a
swastika-adorned room in his parents' East Peoria home. An Israeli flag
serves as his doormat.

All that's needed to join the church is $35. For that, members get a 25-page
manual offering loyalty oaths and a glossary of terms like ``Rahowa'' - an
acronym that stands for ``Racial Holy War'' and is used as a greeting by
members.

Followers also can read an Internet newsletter in which Smith, 21, was
profiled last November as ``Creator of the Month'' for his efforts to
distribute racist literature.

To its critics, the church amounts to a loosely connected - but dangerous -
group of racists and hate-mongers. Mark Potok, a researcher with the Southern
Poverty Law Center, said Monday that the church is thought to have 46
chapters and several hundred active members.

``This is a religion for and created by sociopaths,'' Potok said.

Hatewatch.org, which monitors hate sites on the Internet, says the church has
the fastest-growing Internet presence among racist groups.

The group dates back to 1973, when it was formed by Ben Klassen, a Florida
real estate man from Ukraine who became wealthy after inventing an electric
can opener.

Klassen wrote tracts of explosive racism, urging whites to push blacks, Jews
and other ``mud races'' off the face of the planet. After one group member
was convicted of beating a black sailor to death in a Florida parking lot,
Klassen committed suicide, swallowing four bottles of sleeping pills in 1993.

The church seemed to disappear until the appearance of Matt Hale, who was
made ``Pontifex Maximus'' - an ancient Roman title meaning Supreme Leader -
in 1995 on a Montana ranch.

Hate-group monitors say they believe the church has grown under Hale's
recruiting efforts from East Peoria and with his use of the Internet. Since
Smith's death, the Web site has been shut down.

According to Hale, Smith joined in 1998, but allowed his one-year membership
to lapse in May.

Potok and others believe the World Church of the Creator is responsible for
encouraging violence like the two-state shooting spree that left two dead and
at least eight wounded, and ended in Smith's suicide late Sunday in Salem,
Ill.

While the church's Web site included a note saying it does not condone
violence, it also called for a racial holy war and extermination of
non-whites. Members have been convicted of murder, beatings and conspiracies
to bomb NAACP offices and black churches.

``Hale and his group are not building bombs, but they are building bombers,
creating shooters,'' Potok said. ``Hale is saying he's not responsible, but
Hale is a hypocrite.''

Hale said he urges church members to stay within the law. Blaming the
shootings on his group, he said, is akin to blaming the pope for abortion
clinic bombings.

Last week, an Illinois state hearing board rejected Hale's appeal for a law
license. The board said Hale's beliefs and character make him ill-suited to
practice law, and unable to follow the state's rules of conduct for lawyers.

Smith had testified for Hale before that board in April.

``Our number one goal is to straighten out the white man's thinking,'' he
told the panel. ``We're the new minority being crushed left and right.''

Smith admitted he had ``considered violent acts to achieve racial goals, but
Hale counseled me to act peacefully.''

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[CTRL] NATO-Dissenter Greece Demonized

1999-07-06 Thread Das GOAT

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Greece Pressured To Tackle Terrorism

By BRIAN MURPHY
.c The Associated Press

ATHENS, Greece (AP) - Hundreds of arson strikes and bomb attacks in the last
two years have left Greece increasingly at odds with the United States - a
principal target for Greek terrorists.

The attacks by terrorists and anarchists have also left Greece out of step
with its European Union partners, who have crushed or hobbled their own urban
terrorist networks.

But after decades of inaction, Greek leaders may finally be heeding the calls
to work harder to try to squash Europe's most elusive terrorist cell,
November 17, and other smaller terrorist groups.

On Monday, self-proclaimed anarchist Nikos Maziotis went on trial for a 1997
bomb at the Greek Interior Ministry. His prosecution could help ease U.S.-led
demands that Greece take stronger measures against terrorism. Yet it could
also become a rallying point for more attacks - especially during planned
visits this month by American law enforcement and counter-terrorism
officials.

Four Americans and one Greek employee at the U.S. Embassy have been killed by
November 17. More than a dozen U.S.-linked sites, including Citibank and car
dealerships, have been attacked this year. And the price tag for security for
U.S. diplomats in Greece is the highest in the world, though the exact cost
is kept secret.

The pressure on Greece - now listed by Washington as the reigning hub of
leftist and anti-foreigner terrorism in Europe - appears part of a general
U.S. security alarm following the twin bombings at embassies in Kenya and
Tanzania in August 1998.

The CIA and other U.S. investigators have been working alongside Greek
authorities since 1975, when November 17 gunned down its first victim: CIA
station chief Richard Welch. Yet U.S. officials complain they are granted
limited powers and claim Greece lacks the political will or police expertise
to mount a terrorist crackdown.

Although they lack such tools as a national DNA registry and a special
anti-terrorist forensics team, Greek authorities vigorously deny any weakness
in battling terrorism.

``Greece does not have a terrorism problem,'' insisted government spokesman
Dimitris Reppas, whose own office was hit by an incendiary bomb in May 1998.

``There is a real battle of perception going on,'' said John Sitilides,
executive director of the Western Policy Center, a Washington-based group
promoting U.S.-Greek dialogue. ``The Americans see a major problem. The
Greeks don't see this with the same urgency.''

But the list of attacks - and the dearth of arrests - point to a very
lopsided score.

Obscure leftist groups have carried out attacks on a range of targets,
including diplomatic cars and compounds and foreign businesses and
institutions. The bombings are generally carried out at night and there have
been few victims. But Western diplomatic sources, speaking on condition of
anonymity, worry the groups could get more brazen and dangerous.

November 17 is suspected of carrying out rocket attacks on the German
ambassador's residence in May and several other foreign banks in recent
months. It has managed to carry out 21 killings and hit dozens of targets in
the past 24 years without any confirmed suspects facing justice.

November 17 takes its name from the date in 1973 when the military junta
ruling Greece crushed a student uprising. Over the years, its philosophy has
apparently shifted from Marxism to a mix of ultra-nationalism and
working-class populism.

But U.S. officials fear the group could focus more on anti-NATO retaliation
following the campaign against Yugoslavia, which was widely condemned by
Greeks.

``The government just wants this problem to dissolve into the air,'' said
Maria Bossi, a former member of Greece's anti-terrorist commission.

In a step toward more international cooperation, a group of 50 Greek police
officers are scheduled to spend the summer in the United States training in
anti-terrorism techniques.

Bossi, however, calls this ``just a nice bit of public relations.''

``Everybody wants to get rid of this anxiety of 25 years,'' she said. ``But
you need to take certain steps. They are not taking the steps.''

These would include full-time anti-terrorist detectives, devoting resources
to developing data banks to cross-reference evidence and creating a witness
protection network to encourage testimony, she said.

But more important is the political determination.

For politicians, however, the costs are potentially high. Many Greeks still
see November 17 as a righteous crusader that does not disrupt the lives of
ordinary citizens.

There are hopes the government of Premier Costas Simitis may be less reticent
than its predecessors.

Simitis is seeking to rid Greece's renegade image in the EU, encourage
foreign investors and boost a sagging tourism industry. Also, Greece does not
want the specter of terrorism disrupting preparations for the 2004 Olympics
in Athens.

``I believe the Greek 

[CTRL] Fear of China Revives Philippine-US Alliance

1999-07-06 Thread Das GOAT

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Fearing China, Manila Turns to U.S.

By GEORGE GEDDA
.c The Associated Press


WASHINGTON (AP) - Eight years after the Philippines ordered a shutdown of
American military bases on its soil, Filipino concern over Chinese actions in
the South China Sea is leading to a partial revitalization of
U.S.-Philippines military ties.

At issue is Chinese construction on Mischief Reef, about 150 miles from
Philippine territory and 800 miles from China. Manila is worried that Chinese
construction there could be used to assist military operations.

Neither the United States nor the Philippines is talking about reviving the
sprawling U.S. bases that were once the centerpiece of a military
relationship that reached a high point in 1944 when U.S. forces helped
liberate the islands from Japan. Since 1951, the two countries have been
bound together by a defense treaty.

Nowadays, a more modest - and more politically sustainable - arrangement is
contemplated, involving joint military exercises and periodic visits to
Filipino ports by large U.S. military vessels. American officials declined to
speculate about the possibility that the evolving relationship with the
Philippines could one day bring the United States into a conflict with China.

In any case, the shift in sentiment in the Philippines toward its one-time
colonizer has been dramatic. In 1991, when the Philippines Senate rejected a
proposed treaty governing the U.S. bases, then-Senators Joseph Estrada and
Orlando Mercado were among those voting against it. Months later, the U.S.
military abandoned the bases.

Today, Estrada is president and Mercado is defense secretary. Both are
enthusiastic proponents of renewed military ties with the United States. In
late May, the Philippines Senate voted 23-5 to approve a so-called Visiting
Forces Agreement, which lays the legal groundwork for the return of American
servicemen. Plans are under way for joint exercises early next year.

In rejecting church and Communist opposition to the proposal, Mercado said,
``Our country is weak, is extremely vulnerable to external threats and needs
this alliance (with the United States) in order to protect our national
interest.''

Just how far the United States will be willing to go to defend its ally is a
matter of debate. Outgoing Filipino Ambassador Raul Rabe said in an interview
that the United States pledged before the May vote to extend its defense
perimeter into the South China Sea.

U.S. officials say the administration has merely reaffirmed long-standing
policy of pledging to consult with the Philippines if either party's
territory is attacked - consistent with the defense treaty's language.

The officials, who asked not to be identified, also seemed intent on not
raising the rhetorical temperature - perhaps with a view toward someday
mediating the territorial dispute between the Philippines and China, a role
it could not play if it aligns itself too closely with the Filipino position.
The South China Sea is but one of many territorial disputes in the region.

``We're not going to give them (the Philippines) a blank check,'' one
official said. He also noted the United States has made clear its neutrality
in the South China Sea dispute and he cited approvingly China's assertion
that it will not interfere with freedom of navigation there. No significant
U.S. weapons sales to the Philippines are contemplated, he added.

If China is alarmed by the resurrection of the U.S.-Philippines military
ties, it is not saying so publicly. China's ambassador to Manila, Fu Ying,
told the Far Eastern Economic Review: ``We see the proposed Visiting Forces
Agreement as a matter between the Philippines and the U.S.''

Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., a member of the House International
Relations Committee, is alarmed by what he calls ``a massive military
buildup'' by China in the region.

China, he said, ``is claiming the entire area of the South China Sea This
is a blueprint for war on the part of Beijing.''

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[CTRL] Italy's Exiled King Wants to Go Home

1999-07-06 Thread Das GOAT

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Italy's Exiled Royal Making Appeal

.c The Associated Press


ROME (AP) - The son of Italy's last king is appealing his forced exile from
Italy to the European Court of Human Rights, a newspaper said today.

Italy abolished the monarchy in a 1946 referendum and sent the last king and
his family into exile. In 1948, a new constitution barred male descendants of
the House of Savoy from Italian soil.

The move was viewed as punishment for the family's support of Fascist
dictator Benito Mussolini.

Victor Emmanuel Savoy was 9 years old when he left Italy with his exiled
father and he makes no claim to a throne. Now 62, he says he simply wants to
visit his homeland.

His decision to appeal to the human rights court in Strasbourg was triggered
by an especially bitter rebuff, he said in an open letter in the
English-language Italy Daily.

Victor Emmanuel wrote that he was refused permission to cross the border onto
Italian soil with a shipment of 60 tons of aid for the Italian Red Cross to
distribute to Kosovo refugees.

In his letter, Victor Emmanuel said he only wanted to spend a few hours in
his homeland.

Public opinion in Italy seems to favor dropping the ban on the Savoys and the
lower house of Parliament in December approved a proposed constitutional
amendment that would reverse the ban. But the amendment has been stuck in a
Senate committee.

Victor Emmanuel's father, King Umberto II, reigned for 26 days before being
sent into exile. Umberto died in Geneva, where the family now lives, in 1983.

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[CTRL] The Crimes of Bill Hillary Clinton

1999-07-06 Thread Amelia Edgeman



http://www.zolatimes.com/SS/BandHmenu.html
 The Crimes of Bill & Hillary Clinton.url


[CTRL] William Bill Cooper John Lear

1999-07-06 Thread Nicky Molloy

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Hi ...does anyone any more about this?

http://home.worldonline.nl/~karel/ufo/people/cooper-lear/index.html

William "Bill" Cooper  John Lear
The Fraud, The hoax and the Fight

When I started looking for UFO related information on the internet, I found
a lot of sites that publicised the statements by William Cooper and John
Lear without further comment (I guess that's a good indication about the
knowledge of UFO research that th ose site-maintainers have - none). I
personally don't think that these two idiots deserve any attention, but
since the wide-spread disinformation about these two, I thought it would be
a good thing to expose the truth about them. For the same reason y ou won't
find any of their bogus documents on this site. If it weren't that William
Cooper is such an unlikely person (understatement.), his writings might
have been a popular science-fiction story.

William Cooper created his image as a high ranking (ex-)member of Naval
Intelligence. In reality, his job consisted nothing more than setting up
audio-visual equipment and sending out paperwork to the Pacific Fleet
briefing teams. William Cooper was intro duced by John Lear to the UFO
Research Community, and made his appearance on the Paranet BBS. After making
a total ass out of himselve, this is what Michael Corbin (Paranet Sysop) has
to say about him:

First, I don't want to get into any protracted discussions about Bill
Cooper. All I can say is that we, ParaNet, had a great deal of experience
with Bill Cooper, up to and including ejecting him from the net for causing
a variety of disruptions, not to mention strong attacks on other members of
the net that were counter-productive to intelligent discussion. Our
organization has investigated Cooper to the max and can find no truth in
anything he says except that he was in the Navy, but not in the capacity
that he claims. Further, the tape of the JFK driver has obviously been
altered. I have a copy of that tape and I have no doubt in my mind that
someone has edited it to make it look like the driver. The bottom line is
that Bill Cooper just d oesn't hold water, so anything he says should be
taken with a large block of salt and tongue planted firmly in cheek.

During that time, a document was placed on Paranet called the "O.H. Krill
Papers", wich was a very shocking story about the US shadow government,
cooperation between that group and "Alien Grey's", Underground Alien Bases,
new world order, and so forth.

His final demise came at the moment that he was being interviewed on a TV
show together with John Lear. Lear heard William Cooper use the O.H Krill
name, While John Lear wanted to use the show to announce that he made the
"O.H. Krill" paper as a "joke" t ogether with with John Grace (Valdemar
Valerian, who heads the Nevada Aerial Research Organization), William Cooper
went on to mention the fact that he had first seen this document while
working for the Office of Naval Intelligence in the early 1970's.

John Lear immediately pulled William Cooper aside and quietly told him,
"Bill, O.H. Krill is a joke! John Grace and I used Krill from Bob
Emenegger's special 'UFO's: It Has Begun' because of a woman who allegedly
channeled an entity named CRYLLL. Grace ju st pulled the O.H. out of thin
air!"

William Cooper instantly unleashed his hostile self and in his usual denial
of reality, replied that Lear was mistaken, insisting that he had seen it in
1972 while working for Naval Intelligence. He went on to say that Lear is a
liar, disinfo agent, etc. and still says so up to the present day. That's
what happens to all people who "cross" Cooper. He immediately proclaims them
to be Evil Agents working for the Conspiracy.

So William Cooper made an ass of himself and left UFOlogy long ago mainly
because UFOlogists chewed him up and spat him out. (It took them a while
though.) Now he spends his time ranting about the New World Order and the
imminent armed take-over of the U.S. by the United Nations. He's a liar and
a crook (he wants people to send him gold so he can fund the fight against
the New World Order), and the last I heard of him is that he's the leader of
an Anti-Government Militia.


In case you would like to read more on this case, I suggeest the following
articles:

Bo Gritz Says Bo Gritz explains why Cooper's security clearance is bogus
Lear And Loathing In Las Vegas Sections from the book "UFOs, Aliens, and
"Ex"-intelligence Agents" by Lars Hansson.
Behold A Stale Horse by I.M. Feddup
Whistle Blowers by Don Ecker

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Re: [CTRL] The New World Order

1999-07-06 Thread Taylor, John (JH)

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In business theory, the role of mangement is not essentialy control, but
rather the combining
planning, leadership, organisation and control to lead to the desired
outcomes.
That is management control consists of setting up the structres and rewards
so that the wekers obtain the results for you.

So the leaders if they have the sense will be doing something similar. They
will have little direct control, but setting up the
structures(institutions-organisation), creating appropiate tools for
leadership(mind control, TV, political parties ) , planning institues( the
tax free foundations) and putting the necessary controls( watch how the
money flows- who's got the bucks).
So that we the plebs do their dirty work for them.

John

-Original Message-
From: Ric Carter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 03 July 1999 01:54
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Subject: Re: [CTRL] The New World Order


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- Original Message -
From: Shane A. Saylor, Eccentric Bard [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 If we are to go by references made on The X-Files the NWO is a
 little older than 50 years, born when a space ship alledgedly
 landed in Roswell, N.M. But is it really 50+ years old or is
 it much older? Thoughts?

That depends on whether one considers the NWO as an outgrowth of
Rothchild/Rockefeller plots [Bilderberger], Black Guelph [Brit/
Euro Royals], Illuminati, Freemasons / Knights Templar, Roman
Senate / Catholic Church, or older groups.  It also depends on
whether one thinks that the chaotically complex mix of politico/
econono/religio/cultural forces/entities now extant is actually
amenable to 'control'.

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[CTRL] Fw: [MC] re: more masonic info

1999-07-06 Thread Nicky Molloy

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, 6 July 1999 17:35
Subject: [MC] re: more masonic info


[EMAIL PROTECTED], 7/5/99

Here's more information for researchers of mind control and the possible
connections to secret societies.

Sincerely,  Neil Brick

Please note: rituals are described below and may be triggering for some.

Secret and Suppressed: Banned Ideas and Hidden History, edited by Jim Keith,
1993 Feral House, $12.95

this review is from : http://members.aol.com/SMARTNEWS/Sample-Issue-07.htm

In his preface to Secret and Suppressed, Jim Keith states that "the people
who direct and control the world's  financial resources are, to a very large
extent, the same people who control and direct the world's media." Secret
and
Suppressed is a guidebook to alternative views of contemporary events and
world history... (which) confronts the reader with disquieting revelations
on
mind control,  secret societies,  media disinformation, cults and elite
cabals. The hard evidence supplied by many of the articles is startling."

About half of the articles in this anthology expose Masonic activity, how it
has shaped society in the past and its influence in our lives today.

In  his  article  "Sorcery,  Sex, Assassination and the Science of Political
Control," James Shelby Downard writes, "For years I have been trying to draw
attention to Masonic sorcery and its (alleged) relation to political
control." He states that  "Benjamin . was initiated into Freemasonry at
St. John's Lodge in Philadelphia  and  ... is  credited  with publishing the
first Masonic book in America."

He identifies the "House of the Rising Sun," a Masonic meeting place for
powerful political figures such as Benjamin Franklin, George Washington and
George Mason, located in Fredericksburg, Virginia, which has the earliest
known record of the Masonic Royal Arch Degree of York, listed in the city
annals on December 22, 1753. He discusses the roots of the anti-mason
political party that challenged Freemason Andrew Jackson for the presidency
in 1826, and the murder of the Mormon prophet which resulted in the men of
the Mormon church withdrawing from Freemasonry.

He  delves  deeply  into  the  JFK assassination which he believes is
suffused with Masonic symbolism having to do with violence,  perversion,
conspiracy, death and  degradation  (specifically,  Masonic Greening
Rituals). "Masonry does not (allegedly) believe in murdering a man in just
any old way and in the JFK assassination, it went to incredible lengths and
took great risks to make this heinous act correspond to the ancient
fertility
oblation of The Killing of the King."

He identifies the three hoboes arrested at the time of the assassination as
"at least  as  important  symbolically  as operationally, and they
compromise
the 'three unworthy craftsmen' of Masonry... and a mirror or doppelganger of
the three assassins who executed the actual murder." He notes that Dealy
Plaza is the site of the First Masonic Temple in Dallas and home of the Blue
Front Tavern, a Masonic hangout,  and  that  important  security strategy
was
planned for Dealy Plaza by the New Orleans CIA station which was
headquartered in a Masonic temple building.

He points out that Mason Lyndon Johnson appointed Mason Earl Warren to
investigate the  death  of  Catholic  President John Kennedy;  33rd degree
Mason Gerald Ford was instrumental in suppressing what little evidence of a
conspiratorial nature reached the Commission; 33rd degree Mason J. Edgar
Hoover  was  responsible  for  supplying information to the commission; and
former CIA Director and 33rd degree Mason Allen Dulles was responsible for
most of his agency's data to the panel. And he asks, "Would it be paranoid
to
suspect a panel of Nazis appointed to investigate the death of a Jew, or to
suspect a commission of Klansmen appointed to investigate the death of a
Negro?"

In his article "Subliminal Images in Oliver Stone's 'JFK' " which follows,
Dean Grace identifies Downard's Three Craftsmen; "A man in a dark suit
passes
three hoboes being taken into custody by police. There is a hint that the
hoboes give a secret hand sign.. later.. .A man in a dark suit passes by the
three tramps and gives a secret hand sign for the tramps' benefit. "Also
(while) patrolman Smith is testifying on the witness stand... a tall young
man wearing a dark suit... turns toward the camera and clearly gives a
Masonic sign of distress... holds the palm of the left hand up and crosses
it
with the right hand pain down.. .at waist level.. twelve inches from the
body. This is the sign of distress in the Entered Apprentice, first degree
of
Masonry."

In his article "The Masonic Ripper," Jim Keith notes that elements brought
forth by Stephen Knight in Jack the Ripper, the Final Solution suggest that
the Ripper slayings may not have been the work of a lone madman but possibly
the commission 

[CTRL] Djinns

1999-07-06 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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In a message dated 07/05/1999 11:21:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Why is it that the
   people in the subcontinent mostly encounter jinns, the presence of which
   is verified in the Holy Quran, 

The djinns are an entirely different matter.  They don't come from another
world.  They live here all the time.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] What Made Our Revolution Different? [Don Feder]

1999-07-06 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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In a message dated 07/05/1999 3:05:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 After 223 years -- and William J. Clinton notwithstanding -- America is
 still the most successful experiment going. 

Yes, but the Rehnquist Court may have changed all that.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Press is more ethical and less biased than ever? (fwd)

1999-07-06 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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In a message dated 07/05/1999 4:53:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Secondly, finding Clinton greatly lacking does not mean that a person is a
 Republican and believes the days of Reagan/Bush were wonderful as you keep
 bringing up.  It is just that they were less awful than the current
 administration. 

But that's my point, Amelia.  They weren't.  We just didn't discuss their sex
lives all day long.  I remember being astonished that Reagan took a hard
swing at every one of the four freedoms, and only one other person in the
world seemed to notice.  It was (maybe Raspberry) in an "It's My Turn" in
Newsweek.  I wish I could remember the administration of any president that
was less or more horrible.   They've all been cogs in the machine that is
trying very hard to destroy our Democracy/Republic (what have you).  And our
"ethical, less biased press has been trying in every way to help them along.
Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] What is truth?

1999-07-06 Thread nurev

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 John Lee wrote:

 Could the following be TRUE?


[Yggdrasil's WNLibrary]

 Nationalist Comments on the News

 

 Be sure to see two previous Comments on the News that have been
 moved to the permanent library; "What It Would Take to Cleanse
 Serbia" and Princeton Tries to Explain a Drop in Jewish Enrollment;
 or "What is Communism?"

 Sacramento synagogues torched in 'night of fire'


How long are you people going to " chat " with this nazi prick?

Joshua2

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Re: [CTRL] How Christianity Harms the Race

1999-07-06 Thread nurev

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books wrote:

 The Southern Baptist Church publishes and distributes a little booklet
 called "The Baptist Faith and Message" (I believe that's the correc title -
 it has been many years since I have looked at it).  Anyway, one little
 sentence in it betrays (exposes) that the Southern Baptist Church is merely
 another Jew organization promoting Bible Slave Law.  Like the Catholics and
 all other Judianity churches, the "canonized" bible is thier God and Jesus
 Christ himself has not yet been able to get Judaism out of Christianity.

And you never will. AAAHH HA HA HA HA HA HA.
I, the GREAT ZOG am directed to keep Christanity Jewish.
The Jewish Media must stay pure to
fulfill its sacred mission. Control weak minded Christians. Debase
them with alien philosophies like " drugs, sex, and RR. It is I who
makes good loving Christians violent. God knows, that Christian
history is one long example of loving humanity and exemplary behavior
for the rest of the world to emulate.

Jesus said in the NT " be good slaves unto the Jews." " Be
superstitious morons and believe everything that racist idiots tell
you
in MY name." So HE put the media in our hands that we could bring you
Jimmy Swaggart, Louis Farakhan, and the great Franklin Wayne Poley.
HE, was one of US.

HE gave us the power to sell " The Holocaust " to poor feeble minded
Christians who need to wallow in guilt. Only WE could bamboozle poor
Christians into believing that there really was a WWII.

WE control your government. WE invented STDs that will make your
peckers fall off. WE have impregnated your women. WE make you use
condoms.
WE ARE THE CHOSEN!!! AH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.

The Great ZOG,
666 Elders of Zion Blvd.
Jerusalem, Israel
( The REAL capital of the USA )
[J2]

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[CTRL] Data Interception by Remote Transmission

1999-07-06 Thread Bill Kingsbury

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 http://www.pcworld.com/shared/printable_articles/
 0,1440,11614,00.html


 Getting DIRT on the Bad Guys

 by Tom Spring, PC World
 From PC World Online

 To former detective Frank Jones, "secure network" is an
 oxymoron.  The word "delete" isn't in his vocabulary.
 Password-protect your computer and you'll make his day.

 And if you really get on Jones' bad side, he'll take complete
 control of your PC -- and your first clue will be when you
 open your door and the boys in overcoats start flashing
 badges at you.

 If you're among the anonymous thousands of cyber bad guys
 who inhabit the Internet's underbelly, Jones is your worst
 nightmare.

 The retired New York City detective works on the law
 enforcement sidelines building software tools to help the
 government and police crack down on online criminals.

 And his latest tool is considered the ultimate weapon.


 Digging up DIRT

 Jones wrote the widely used, but little-known software
 program called DIRT.  The program works like a telephone
 wiretap for computers, giving its users the ability to
 monitor and intercept data from any Windows PC in the world.

 DIRT stands for Data Interception by Remote Transmission and
 was originally created by Jones as a tool to help snare
 online child pornographers.  But in the short time it has
 been available only to government and law enforcement
 agencies, DIRT is now used to battle hacker groups like
 Cult of the Dead Cow and to trap terrorists, drug dealers,
 money launderers, and spies.

 "What we do is give law enforcement an additional line of
 defense," says Jones, the president of Codex Data Systems.


 The DIRTy Details

 The client side version of the DIRT program is less than 20KB
 in size and is typically installed on a target PC using a
 Trojan horse program (a set of instructions hidden inside a
 legitimate program).  The DIRT program is usually sneaked
 inside an e-mail attachment, a macro, or a workable program
 that a targeted user is enticed to download.

 Once inside a target Windows 95/98/NT computer, it gives law
 enforcement complete control of the system without the user's
 knowledge.

 It starts off by secretly recording every keystroke the user
 makes.  The next time the user goes online, DIRT transmits
 the log for analysis.  Jones says government agencies have
 even managed to open encrypted files by obtaining password
 locks.

 During a recent program demonstration, Jones easily uploaded
 and downloaded files to a DIRT-infected computer connected to
 the Net by a dial-up modem.  Jones could upload and download
 files to the PC without a hint of activity on the other end.


 Arresting Developments

 If you think this sounds like B-grade fiction, it isn't.
 During a recent meeting of high-ranking federal and state
 gumshoes, DIRT received glowing software reviews.  Many
 cited long lists of arrests thanks to Codex.

 One police detective said DIRT has become a powerful tool
 in fighting crime online.  It aids criminal investigations
 and results in about one arrest each month.  Most of those
 arrested were suspected pedophiles, he said.

 The hardest part of using DIRT, say its users, is getting
 owners of targeted computers to download the Trojan horse
 programs.  Typically law enforcement tries to entice a
 targeted individual to download a program or a compressed
 file that must be "un-zipped" which contains the DIRT bug
 inside.  Because the program is not available to the public,
 DIRT is undetectable using virus scanning software, Jones
 said.

 "The only way to avoid DIRT is to ignore your e-mail,"
 he says.


 Fighting Fire With Fire

 Jones says law enforcement desperately needs these tools
 to turn the tide in its battle against online crime.
 "Law enforcement is outgunned," he says.

 In an age where hacking horror stories have become front-page
 news, DIRT gives law enforcement an effective tool to even
 the score and catch the bad guy.

 On one recent occasion DIRT was used to track a suspected
 drug dealer as he zigzagged across the country from client
 to client selling methamphetamines.  His big mistake, police
 say, was keeping a client list on his laptop and logging into
 the Net each night to stay in touch with business associates
 and friends.

 Using DIRT, police tracked his whereabouts each night and
 took notes on who his associates were.  The alleged drug
 dealer was eventually arrested as he was surfing the Net
 in a San Jose, California motel room.


 A Form of Flattery?

 Though DIRT is restricted to military, government, and law
 enforcement agencies, the "Back Orifice" hacker tool offers
 some similar tricks.

 Jones maintains that its inventor, a member of the hacking
 group Cult of the Dead Cow, attended Codex's first public
 demonstration of DIRT more than a year ago and slapped
 together an "imitation" of DIRT based on what he saw.

 "Close, but no cigar," Jones says.

 But according to Mike Hudack, editor of Aviary-mag.com, an
 

[CTRL] Artifacts redefine America's pre-history

1999-07-06 Thread Bill Kingsbury

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 http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9907/02/t_t/
 old.south.dig/index.html


 Bonanza of ice-age artifacts
 redefine America's pre-history

 July 2, 1999

 ALLENDALE, South Carolina (CNN) -- A virtual gold mine of
 ice-age artifacts recently found on the banks of the
 Savannah River in South Carolina is forcing archeologists
 to revise theories for how and when humans first migrated
 to North America.

 Al Goodyear with the University of South Carolina oversaw the
 dig, which involved dozens of volunteers and scientists.

 "I think what is tantalizing about this site is we may have
 different cultures coming into the New World that we didn't
 even know about," he says.

 From the artifacts uncovered at this site, such as crude
 stone tools, archeologists say it is reasonable to believe
 that humans could have lived in the area anywhere from
 15,000 to 20,000 years ago.

 That time frame defies the long-held "Clovis" theory that
 humans only reached the New World on a land path from Asia.

 Now there is stronger ammunition that others may have
 come from Southeast Asia or Europe, much earlier than
 11,000-year-old artifacts found in Clovis, New Mexico,
 suggest.

 "This is an extremely important New World site in deciphering
 when people came to North America," Goodyear says.

 Digs in Monte Verde, Chile; West Virginia, Virginia;
 Pennsylvania and now South Carolina all suggest cultures
 older than 12,000 years.

 "This is so far the star of the show, what we refer to
 as a measuring pit microblade," says Dennis Stanford,
 a Smithsonian Institution anthropologist.

 Sean Maroney is a graduate student who worked on the dig.
 "The discoveries are not as sexy as human bones or animal
 skulls," says Maroney.  "But they do provide insight about
 our tough-as-nails ancestors."

 Maroney showed a stick with a rock mounted on it.  "Arm
 yourself with a stick and a rock on it and think about
 going after an African elephant," he says.  "It's gonna give
 you a real appreciation for what these people did and how
 they had to survive."

 Goodyear and his colleagues have worked on this site since
 1983, but this year's discoveries could pay off with a
 re-writing of history.


 Correspondent Marsha Walton contributed to this report.



 RELATED STORIES:

 Explorer Ballard says he's found oldest
 shipwrecks ever discovered
 June 23, 1999
 http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/meast/9906/23/israel.shipwrecks.ap/

 Ancient bones may rewrite theory of earliest Americans
 June 8, 1999
 http://www.cnn.com/NATURE/9906/08/ancient.woman/

 Ancient California bones could change land-bridge theory
 April 11, 1999
 http://www.cnn.com/US/9904/11/ancient.woman/index.html

 Stonemason refuses to cut up ancient stone circle
 February 15, 1999
 http://www.cnn.com/US/9902/15/miami.circle/


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 Smithsonian Institution
 http://www.si.edu/

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[CTRL] Internet danger looming (fwd)

1999-07-06 Thread Bill Kingsbury

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 From: Gary Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999
 Subj: L.A. Times column, 7/5/99

 Monday, July 5, 1999
 DIGITAL NATION

 Troubling Implications of Internet's Ubiquity

 By Gary Chapman
 Copyright 1999, The Los Angeles Times

 Early last month, institutions around the world were crippled
 for several days by a new computer virus called the
 ExploreZip Trojan horse.  A Trojan horse, in computer jargon,
 is a nasty software program that hides inside a file a user
 is likely to want to see or open.

 The ExploreZip virus -- more accurately, a computer "worm,"
 which spreads more automatically than a virus -- affected
 machines running Microsoft's Windows operating system and
 Windows application software.  Computers throughout the world
 were shut down, including some at Microsoft and other large
 corporations as well as the Pentagon.

 The ExploreZip worm was a more debilitating version of the
 Melissa virus that struck Windows machines earlier this year.
 Because of the apparent vulnerability of Windows-based
 machines, some computer experts have started to use the
 metaphor of a "monoculture" to describe our current computing
 predicament.

 The word "monoculture" comes from ecology and biology,
 another example of the merging of biological terms with
 computer jargon, like "virus" and "worm."  In ecology,
 monoculture refers to the dominance or exclusive prevalence
 of a single species or genetic type in an ecological system
 -- a state typically regarded as pathological and dangerous.
 Agricultural monocultures, for example, are highly
 susceptible to blight, soil depletion, disease and other
 disasters.

 In computing, the recent use of the term has referred to the
 widespread dominance of Microsoft products.  But we may want
 to extend the metaphor further and contemplate whether we're
 developing a universal digital monoculture, one with a
 troubling potential for negative side effects.  Think of it
 as the perils of digital convergence.

 By now, nearly everyone assumes that almost everything we do
 will be absorbed into the digital "infosphere" -- as in IBM's
 advertising phrase "Connecting everything to everything."
 It's only a matter of time before television, radio, music,
 games, commerce and politics are assimilated into the
 Internet.

 This phenomenon is growing every day.  We're about to step
 into the so-called "post-PC" era, when networked computing
 will permeate our homes and everyday objects such as
 refrigerators, telephones, cars and stereos.  This model is
 known as "ubiquitous" or "pervasive" computing, when the
 Internet will be present in everything and everywhere.

 But few people stop to think of the vulnerabilities this
 might entail.

 Recently there's been a controversy on the Internet over a
 new product called Third Voice (http://www.thirdvoice.com),
 from a company of the same name based in Redwood City, Calif.
 Third Voice is a free browser plug-in (currently it only
 works with Windows and Microsoft Internet Explorer 4.0) that
 allows users to create and see notes or messages attached to
 Web pages by other, independent users.

 The messages attached to pages are listed in a small menu bar
 on the left of the browser screen.  When the list is clicked,
 the messages pop up over the Web page like digital Post-It
 notes.  Third Voice advertises its product as a way for users
 to have their own say about Web content.  Others have called
 it, pejoratively, "Web graffiti."

 The controversy was generated by Web masters and Web
 designers who don't like having their pages "defaced" by this
 product -- it puts the appearance of their pages beyond their
 control, and, some of them argue, it may be a copyright
 violation.

 The interesting thing about Third Voice, however, is how it
 works.  The content of the Web page it modifies is not
 altered on the originating server.  The messages are simply
 stored on Third Voice's own computers and merged with the Web
 page when a Third Voice user requests the page.  The messages
 then become a kind of "overlay" on the original content,
 which is otherwise unaltered and available for viewing by
 other users in its original form.

 It will be interesting to see if this product provokes
 litigation and if so, how that unfolds.  But the real impact
 of Third Voice, along with the recent viruses we've seen,
 is their demonstration of the malleability of digital data,
 especially given their common format on the Internet.

 As we embed the Internet into everything we do and use,
 it's as if we're building a global nervous system that can
 be tweaked or twitched in infinite, unexpected and perhaps
 unpleasant ways by anyone clever enough and using the right
 tools.

 One could use the examples of Third Voice, viruses and the
 hundreds of automated network "agents," or "bots" -- software
 programs that roam the Internet and perform tasks specified
 by their users -- to speculate on mind-boggling scenarios for
 

Re: [CTRL] William Bill Cooper John Lear

1999-07-06 Thread Linda Minor

 -Caveat Lector-

Bill Cooper was a member of this list over a year ago and antagonized
virtually everyone with name-calling and refusal to answer questions about
his organization, called Harvest Trust.  He was giving out information about
federal income taxes that I was afraid would get people into legal trouble,
but he refused to take responsibility for the disinformation.  I found him
to be arrogant and abusive, and for that reason found no credibility in
anything else he had to say.

Linda

-Original Message-
From: Nicky Molloy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 4:27 AM
Subject: [CTRL] William "Bill" Cooper  John Lear


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Hi ...does anyone any more about this?

http://home.worldonline.nl/~karel/ufo/people/cooper-lear/index.html

William "Bill" Cooper  John Lear
The Fraud, The hoax and the Fight

When I started looking for UFO related information on the internet, I found
a lot of sites that publicised the statements by William Cooper and John
Lear without further comment (I guess that's a good indication about the
knowledge of UFO research that th ose site-maintainers have - none). I
personally don't think that these two idiots deserve any attention, but
since the wide-spread disinformation about these two, I thought it would be
a good thing to expose the truth about them. For the same reason y ou won't
find any of their bogus documents on this site. If it weren't that William
Cooper is such an unlikely person (understatement.), his writings might
have been a popular science-fiction story.

William Cooper created his image as a high ranking (ex-)member of Naval
Intelligence. In reality, his job consisted nothing more than setting up
audio-visual equipment and sending out paperwork to the Pacific Fleet
briefing teams. William Cooper was intro duced by John Lear to the UFO
Research Community, and made his appearance on the Paranet BBS. After
making
a total ass out of himselve, this is what Michael Corbin (Paranet Sysop)
has
to say about him:

First, I don't want to get into any protracted discussions about Bill
Cooper. All I can say is that we, ParaNet, had a great deal of experience
with Bill Cooper, up to and including ejecting him from the net for causing
a variety of disruptions, not to mention strong attacks on other members of
the net that were counter-productive to intelligent discussion. Our
organization has investigated Cooper to the max and can find no truth in
anything he says except that he was in the Navy, but not in the capacity
that he claims. Further, the tape of the JFK driver has obviously been
altered. I have a copy of that tape and I have no doubt in my mind that
someone has edited it to make it look like the driver. The bottom line is
that Bill Cooper just d oesn't hold water, so anything he says should be
taken with a large block of salt and tongue planted firmly in cheek.

During that time, a document was placed on Paranet called the "O.H. Krill
Papers", wich was a very shocking story about the US shadow government,
cooperation between that group and "Alien Grey's", Underground Alien Bases,
new world order, and so forth.

His final demise came at the moment that he was being interviewed on a TV
show together with John Lear. Lear heard William Cooper use the O.H Krill
name, While John Lear wanted to use the show to announce that he made the
"O.H. Krill" paper as a "joke" t ogether with with John Grace (Valdemar
Valerian, who heads the Nevada Aerial Research Organization), William
Cooper
went on to mention the fact that he had first seen this document while
working for the Office of Naval Intelligence in the early 1970's.

John Lear immediately pulled William Cooper aside and quietly told him,
"Bill, O.H. Krill is a joke! John Grace and I used Krill from Bob
Emenegger's special 'UFO's: It Has Begun' because of a woman who allegedly
channeled an entity named CRYLLL. Grace ju st pulled the O.H. out of thin
air!"

William Cooper instantly unleashed his hostile self and in his usual denial
of reality, replied that Lear was mistaken, insisting that he had seen it
in
1972 while working for Naval Intelligence. He went on to say that Lear is a
liar, disinfo agent, etc. and still says so up to the present day. That's
what happens to all people who "cross" Cooper. He immediately proclaims
them
to be Evil Agents working for the Conspiracy.

So William Cooper made an ass of himself and left UFOlogy long ago mainly
because UFOlogists chewed him up and spat him out. (It took them a while
though.) Now he spends his time ranting about the New World Order and the
imminent armed take-over of the U.S. by the United Nations. He's a liar and
a crook (he wants people to send him gold so he can fund the fight against
the New World Order), and the last I heard of him is that he's the leader
of
an Anti-Government Militia.


In case you would like to read more on this case, I suggeest the following
articles:

Bo Gritz 

Re: [CTRL] Press less biased? HARDLY

1999-07-06 Thread AOL User

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In a message dated 7/6/1999 7:33:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

  I wish I could remember the administration of any president that
  was less or more horrible.   They've all been cogs in the machine that is
  trying very hard to destroy our Democracy/Republic (what have you).  And
our
  "ethical, less biased press has been trying in every way to help them
along.



So true.  In my opinion the press is the machine driving this destruction.
The press is heady that it "represents" public opinion.  Of course it does
not.  It doesnt even report on what public opinion is.  The press is heady
with the idea that it creates public opinion.  It is quite unfortunate that
it indeed does.  Because the sheeple BELIEVE the lie that the press
explicates what the public thinks and feels when in actuality the press is
just spinning the political and/or sensational angles of an event.

Want proof?   Look at how much Clinton grovels to public opinion.  In his
mind it is represented by focus groups, or he thinks he can figure out all
the bad press the independent media might give him if he proceeds with a
certain plan.  The guy doesn't seem to have an independent DNA strand in his
aging, chubby body; he is unable to act without advisors; he is unable to
think of novel solutions to problems let alone execute them; and even his
platitudinous drivel has gotten tired to even Al GoreBore.  Clinton's
independence seems only to be in areas outside of politics, such as adultery.
 Perhaps because he is a pathological liar, lying with a good straight choir
boy face.

But, Gore will be far worse.  Whereas whatever agenda Clinton has that is
independent from the Illuminati and NWO chieftans is benign to us, not so
with Gore.  In my view he does not have a sufficiently developed ego to have
true independence from those chieftans.  His independent agendas will just be
to stop Americans from smoking and listening to Satanic music.

I think I will be voting Taxpayer Party again.

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[CTRL] The Broeder Bond 3(b)

1999-07-06 Thread Taylor, John (JH)

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5Political Triumph - the 1948 Election Victory

The Broederbond played a decisive role in the unexpected Nationalist victory
of 1948, which placed South Africa on a totally new course. The Brocdcrbond
supplied the political leaders to make the victory possible. Virtually all
the members of Dr D F Malan's Cabinet were also members of the
Super-Afrikaner
society. They were imbued with the same idealism and determination to ensure
an Afrikaner victory at the polls.
They masterminded the symbolic oxwagon trek of 1938, which united
Afrikaners emotionally and facilitated the later political unity (see
Chapter 4).
They supplied the National Party with the policy of apartheid or
separate development, which became a powerful political slogan in contrast
to General Smuts's indecisive attitude to racial matters (see Chapter 3).
They united Afrikaners politically, in spite of sharp differences of
opinion and approach between, for instance, the Ossewabrand-wag and the
National Party. They took over the Mineworkers' Union, which swung six vital
seats on the Witwatersrand and enabled the National Party to win the
election with a majority of six seats.
Soon after the emotion of the oxwagon trek had died down, the shadow
of the Second World War also fell over South Africa - and Afrikanerdom. Even
the emotional unity experienced at Monument Koppic was shattered, and
division in Afrikaner ranks became deeper then ever. Smuts won the vote in
Parliament supporting the war, and Hertzog had to resign as Prime Minister.
For a short while he and Malan were reconciled but that, too, was to be
shattered. Smuts called for volunteers to go and fight and, according to F A
van Jaarsveld,' "a great percentage, if not the majority, of the white
military forces consisted of Afrikaners."
In the anti-war emotion characterising a strong section of
Afrikaners, a new militant organisation, the Ossewabrandwag, thrived. It
soon had 300 000 members, held military parades and
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rallies, cheered British setbacks and Nazi triumphs. Sporadic sabotage
occurred, and some members of the organisation were interned without trial
by the Smuts Government. Among those jailed at Koffiefontein, but never
proved guilty of anything, was young Advocate John Vorster, then an OB
general, and later Prime Minister of South Africa, Hendrik van den Bergh,
later to become his security adviser, and P J Riekert, his economic adviser.
The confusion, division and political impotency in Afrikaner ranks
had hardly ever been greater, says van Jaarsveld. "It was a condition which
reminded one of the period of civil war in the Transvaal from 1860-1864."
Apart from Malan's National Party and Hans van Rensburg's
Ossewabrandwag, there was also the Afrikaner Party, made up mostly of
Hertzog followers and led by Klasic Havenga.
I
The Broederbond's first attempt to heal the breach in Afrikanerdom
came after the split between Hertzog and Malan in 1940. The reason for the
split, a smear story in Nationalist ranks that Hertz
He was collaborating with the Freemasons, was investigated by a
committee of Nationalist Members of Parliament, headed by the chairman of
the Broederbond, Professor J C van Rooy of Potchefstroom.
The commission found that the Freemason story could not be regarded
as "the primary reason" for the break, but that it created confusion and
mistrust and "indirectly affected detrimentally attempts at reunion."2  It
exonerated the Free State Nationalist leaders, Dr NJ van der Merwe and
Advocate C R Swart, from blame for the Freemason gossip story. As the reason
for the break, it cited a misunderstanding on General Hertzog's part as to
the form of the party he and Malan had tried to establish.
General Hertzog was obviously being written off as a force in the
political war that was to come. In spite of his stature, he was regarded as
too soft on Republicanism and too conciliatory on English-Afrikaans
co-operation.
Because the Ossewabrandwag did not have a specified role in the
Afrikaners' political and cultural life, negotiations between the militant
organisation and the Herenigde Nasionale Party took place. At the Cape
Congress of the party held at Cradock in 1940, Dr Malan announced that
agreement had been reached: although the two organisations would co-operate,
the party would be active politically and the Ossewabrandwag in
non-political areas such as the economic, moral and religious advancement of
the Afrikaner
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nation. The Ossewabrandwag would work for Afrikaner unity and refrain from
underground revolutionary activity.3
The anticipated new unity was shattered in January 1941 when a group
of Hertzog supporters split off and formed the Afrikaner Party under the
leadership of General E A Conroy, (later replaced by Havenga) with 12 other
members of Parliament supporting him. This would become the political home
of many OB members.
  

[CTRL] The Broeder Bond 3(c)

1999-07-06 Thread Taylor, John (JH)

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From The Super Afrikaners-Ivor Wilkins and Hans Strydom 1978

(note the power of the symbolic action to a susceptible population)


4The Symbolic Oxwagon Trek of 1938

It is difficult to find another single event which stirred Afrikaner
emotions more between the Anglo-Boer War and the Second World War than the
symbolic oxwagon trek of 1938. Not even the people who planned and organised
it, the Afrikaner Broederbond, had the faintest idea it would be such an
overwhelming success. It served to reunite Afrikaners in one nationalism and
played a most significant role in the 1948 election victory.
A year after the Trek, the war divided the Afrikaners and the
Ossewabrandwag created a split in the National Party; but it was all
temporary. Deep down the Afrikaners wanted unity, and the symbolic trek
emphasised this. As soon as the war was over the deep divisions healed and a
political unity was found which led to a victory through the ballot box.
Looking back today, it is impossible to see how this could have been
achieved without the emotional binding force of the symbolic trek. It
created the opportunity for Afrikaners to be together, to experience the
satisfying feeling of a nation on the march, of agreement rather than
divisions.
What started as a fairly inconspicuous attempt to celebrate the
centenary of the Great Trek by sending a team of oxwagons from Cape Town to
Pretoria became a rousing national movement. At the final celebrations 200
000 Afrikaners camped for days at Monument Koppie, the site chosen for the
Voortrekker Monument to be completed about 10 years later. Along the route
to Pretoria thousands of Afrikaners - some travelling hundreds of miles came
to see the oxwagons, to touch them, to pray by them.
The oxwagon trek was one of the Broederbond's greatest
master-strokes. Realising the division in Afrikaner ranks and the absolute
necessity for unity to prepare for political victory, they staged it as an
emotional rally. The opportunity was ideal. It was 100 years since the Great
Trek when the Voortrekkers went north, one of the most important reasons
being the desire to escape British
rule. The celebrations planned by a central committee headed by
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Dr E J Jansen, a prominent Broeder and then Speaker of the House of
Assembly, were to peak on December 16, Dingaan's Day, at Monument Koppie
where the foundation stone for the Voortrekker Monument was to be laid.
No doubt this would have been an impressive ceremony on its own, but
it was the oxwagon trek which turned it into a national crusade. The idea
came from the Afvikaanse Tual en Kultur vereniging of the Railways
(Afrikaans Language and Cultural Society of the Railways), a cultural front
organisation of the Broederbond. The ATKV was formed by Henning Klopper, one
of the three young men who founded the Broederbond on the koppie in
Johannesburg in 1918. When he formed the ATKV on the Rail-ways it had only
200 members; five years later it had 50 000 and today it is probably the
largest formally organised Afrikaans cultural association.
Who was Henning Klopper who had played such an important part in
forming the Broederbond and the ATKV? Like other prominent Broeders, Danic
du Plessis and Willie Heckroodt, he worked on the Railways. He joined when
he was 15 at a salary of  f4 a month, and worked hard to spread his belief
in Afrikanerdom. His role in the oxwagon trek made him a national hero among
Afrikaners. Not only was he the founder of the ATKV who had organised the
trek, but they had nominated him as trek
leader. At all the main celebrations along the route he was the central
figure, making speeches and passing on the message of Afrikaner unity.
Henning Klopper is convinced that it was the symbolic oxwagon trek
that paved the way for the 1948 election victory for the National Party and
the subsequent referendum majority which led to the Republic.   "It was this
dynamic movement which gave expression to the aspirations of the Afrikaners,
and united them at the time when division among Afrikaners was at its
greatest, and their feelings were bitterest,"   he says. When Klopper left
home to join the Railways, his mother gave him a Bible and said: "Read it
every morning and evening." Fifty years later he said: "I never let
her down."  At that stage he had read the Bible from cover to cover 22
times. It takes him 10 to 18 months to read it though once.

He does not smoke or drink and in the true spirit of the
Broederbond, abhors "loose morals". Like the Broederbond, which expels
members involved in a divorce, he sees divorce as an evil
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practice "undermining the morals of the people." He feels clergymen should
"put their foot down and take the lead in stamping out this evil."
In all his readings of the Bible, he says he has found nothing to
shake his belief in apartheid.  "We are not all created the same. We are
created to be what we are - not something 

[CTRL] The Broeder Bond 3(a)

1999-07-06 Thread Taylor, John (JH)

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From The Super Afrikaners-Ivor Wilkins and Hans Strydom 1978



Only recommended for people interested in SA history or those in how secret
power societies work.
The broederbond was infiltrated and destroyed, but it shows the power that a
well placed small group of people can have over an unsuspecting society.
(remember that Smuts was also a member of a secret society-the round table-
see Mr Quigleys works)


3   Smuts

No sooner had the Broederbond disposed of Hertzog than a new and even more
dangerous enemy appeared. He was General Jan Smuts. If Hertzog's years as
Fusion Prime Minister had been marked by Afrikaner division,Smuts's rise
to power heralded prolonged and bitter hostility. World War Two, the issue
on which he came to power, split the country's white factions far apart.
A great many Afrikaners vigorously condemned Smuts's determination
that South Africa should participate in "England's war". For some this
feeling went even further, to an open sympathy with the Nazi cause. Hitler's
quick climb to ascendancy greatly attracted a number of Afrikaner
Nationalists, as did developments in Nazi Germany. So much so, in a number
of cases, that a feeling of general sympathy was translated into active
support for Germany's struggle. The Broederbond numbered among its ranks
many such supporters. The organisation which had striven in cultural matters
to keep English- and Afrikaans-speaking elements apart, and thus reinforce
Afrikaners of an exclusive Afrikanerdom, arranged for a few selected
Afrikaans students to go to Germany and study methods employed there in the
education of the nation's youth.'
Dr Nico Diederichs was one who went across to study and report, and
qualified as a quisling in the Nazi's Anti-Komitern training school.3
According to Malherbe4 who was Smuts's Director of Military Intelligence, as
early as 1934 Hitler had sent a spy to South Africa, a German professor,
Graf von Duerckheim Mont martin, to ascertain what elements in South Africa
could be relied upon to collaborate with Nazi Germany in the event of a war
with Great Britain.
His findings were said to have been sent to Hitler in a secret
report. A copy of this report was found by South Africa's military
intelligence among the papers seized at the headquarters of the German
diplomatic representative in South West Africa in 1940
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when the South African forces moved in. The report stressed, inter a, the
furtherance of German Kulttrr by means of subtle propaganda and by
encouraging South African students to go to German universities, and the
exploitation of anti-English sentiments among Afrikaners. Von Duerckheim
held a prominent position in von Ribbentrop's organisation during the
1939-45 World War. He was, however, liquidated towards the end of the war
when it was found that he had a Jewish grandmother. Dr Malherbe goes on:
"With South Africa's participation in the war, anti-British feelings flared
up with renewed fervour. A number of prominent Afrikaner leaders became
openly pro-Nazi and found expression of their ambitions in flamboyant
organisations such as the Grey Shirts and the Ossewabrandwag. The latter
organisation, under the leadership of Dr Hans van Rensburg, was openly
militant and opposed to General Smuts's war effort. He soon counted more
members than there were in Smuts's army. Among these were a large number of
teachers and even Dutch Reformed ministers. South Africa's former Premier,
Mr Vorster, occupied a high position as Assistant-hoof Kommandant. Dr
Verwoerd had strong Nazi sympathies, and his paper, the Transvaler, was
jubilant over the initial reverses of the Allied forces on land and sea.
Likewise it was filled with gloom when the Nazis started losing.
"It was hoped that with a German victory South Africa would become
'freed from the British yoke' and at last achieve the Broederbond ideal of
an independent Afrikaner republic, excluding the British and the Jews. In
the anti-war propaganda Smuts was made out to be a traitor to the Afrikaner
cause in fighting for the British not (as was the case) with the British . .
. Meanwhile, through a powerful broadcasting station at Zeesen (Germany)
pro-German propaganda in Afrikaans was pouring into South Africa over the
radio. Its programmes were avidly listened to because of the excellent music
and good reception, far better than that of the British Broadcasting
Corporation or the local South African Broadcasting Corporation.
"Immediately following on the music programme came the most venomous
anti-British and anti-Jewish talks in Afrikaans by Dr Erik Holm, a young
South African teacher who was studying in Germany at the time.5 He was
employed by the Nazis and paid by Goebbels himself . . .There can be
no doubt that this slimy, hate-generating stuff which was poured nightly in
Afrikaans into South African homes must have left its mark on the receptive
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minds of the Afrikaner youth at the time. 

Re: [CTRL] How Christianity Harms the Race

1999-07-06 Thread AOL User

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Looks like the Great Zog is demon possessed.

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[CTRL] Fwd: WND - Deadline For CHINA-GATE

1999-07-06 Thread Kris Millegan





Charles Smith will be on the Michael Reagan show tonite
7/6/99 - check for show times!

Realaudio  info at:

http://www.reagan.com

--
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_smith/19990706_xcsof_deadline_c.shtml

On June 29, 1999, Federal Judge Robert Payne ruled against the
Commerce Dept. in the China-Gate scandal.  Judge Payne has
ordered the Commerce Dept. to release documents on meetings
between Clinton officials and Chinese Army officers.  Judge
Payne ordered the Commerce Dept. to comply by July 12, 1999, and
to release documents that are being withheld from the public.

Additionally, Judge Payne found the Commerce Dept. had not
completely released all the required documents as per his
original Court order issued in March, 1999.  According to Judge
Payne, the Commerce Dept. submitted a request to withhold
certain documents, "yet no copies were provided to the Court."

Payne ordered the Commerce Dept. to deliver the withheld
documents for his personal inspection behind closed doors "not
later than 5:00 p.m., July 12, 1999." According to Payne, the
Commerce Dept. must "provide copies of the foregoing documents
to the Court for in camera review."

Payne also found that the Clinton administration had attempted
to classify a 1996 Defense Dept. report that had previously been
released to the public.  According to Payne, "According to the
plaintiff, the following documents have previously been provided
and accordingly, the defendant's current claim of exemption is
DENIED AS MOOT."

The 1996 DOD report that the Commerce Dept. wanted to keep
secret is actually a detailed series of questions and answers
from House National Security Chairman Rep. Spence (R-NC).  Rep.
Spence was concerned over reports detailing the transfer of an
advanced, ATT, secure, communications system to the Chinese
Army by Clinton officials.

The DOD replies show the conflict of interest between Defense
Secretary William Perry and PLA General Ding Henggao.  According
to the report, Perry's "civilian" DOD consultant, Dr. John
Lewis, was in business with PLA General Ding's wife, Lt.
General Madam Nie Li.  Dr. Lewis, a close friend of Perry and a
fellow professor at Stanford University, accompanied Perry on
trips to China as a "civilian consultant" to the Secretary of
Defense.

Dr. Lewis and General Ding's wife, Lt. General Madam Nie, were
paid executives in a joint venture between Lewis's U.S. firm,
SCM/Brooks Telecommunications, and a PLA owned firm, called
Galaxy New Technology.  The result was the transfer of an
advanced, ATT, secure fiber-optic communications system
directly to the PLA General Logistics Division.  That system was
obtained by the Chinese Army through Dr. Lewis and Dr. Perry.

According to another document forced from the Commerce Dept.,
Sec. Perry, and Dr. Lewis met on official U.S. government
business with General Ding in Oct. 1994, at the same time Lewis
was in business with Ding's wife.  Thus, Lewis was being paid by
the U.S. and Chinese military - at the same time.

Lewis and Perry, accompanied by Commerce Dept. official Barry
Carter, met with the top of the communist Army elite in China.
The list of PLA attendees at the 1994 "Joint Defense Conversion
Commission" includes General Ding, General Huai, Major General
Deng and Major General Hou Gang, Deputy Director of Chinese Army
Intelligence HQ.

Clearly, the Commerce Dept. did not inspect the original SOFTWAR
China-gate lawsuit.  The entire 1996 DOD document that Commerce
refused to release was provided as evidence to the Court in the
original lawsuit filed in November, 1998.  In fact, the entire
Dept. of Defense document has been on the SOFTWAR internet web
site since September 1998 and is available for public viewing:

http://www.softwar.net/dod.html

In addition, Payne noted that the Commerce Dept. had not
completed the appropriate clearances for some of the documents
submitted for his "in camera" review.  According to Judge Payne,
one document states, "all '[r]equests for this document from
outside the U.S.  Government must be referred to the Defense
Intelligence Agency, Washington D.C. 20340-0001.'"

"Not later than 5:00 p.m., July 12, 1999," wrote Payne.  "The
defendant shall file a statement with the Court indicating on
what date the plaintiff's request was referred to the Defense
Intelligence Agency and what that agency's response was, or if
none has been received, the expected response date."

The contacts between Commerce officials, major DNC donors and
Chinese Generals included detailed information provided by the
CIA, DIA and NSA.  For example, the Commerce Dept. released a
letter showing the White House provided information from a U.S.
"intelligence agency" to DNC donors.  The letter from Commerce
lawyers informs a U.S. "INTELLIGENCE AGENCY" that bios for a
Brown trade trip, detailing the Chinese communists leadership,
were to be released to this reporter.

The released documents 

Re: [CTRL] How Christianity Harms the Race

1999-07-06 Thread Ric Carter

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 Looks like the Great Zog is demon possessed.

Misfiring alien implant, eh?  bzzt  Damn implants...  bzzt

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[CTRL] OEN 7/6/99

1999-07-06 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
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A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe/A
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Gates vs. Jobs

Machiavellian Super-Nerds Eat Silicon Valley

Computer geek chic

THE richest man in the world is finding out the hard way that money
can't buy you love - or even good publicity. Already tarnished from the
Microsoft anti-trust trial, Bill Gates, 42, is soon to be portrayed to
the world as a charmless opportunist who founded his immense empire on
the deal of the century.


The Pirates of Silicon Valley, an exhaustively researched TV drama due
to air next month, paints Gates as a Machiavellian and scheming
super-nerd. But for a single moment of "inspiration", he might have sunk
into the comfortable obscurity enjoyed by his father, a wealthy merchant
banker, the movie alleges.

It alleges that soon after forming Microsoft as a Harvard drop-out in
1975, Gates and his partner Paul Allen opportunistically built upon the
software of a rival company to produce the DOS computer operating
system. This was the foundation of Gates's estimated $80 billion fortune
when IBM licensed it as the software to run the first-ever affordable
mass computer. Soon DOS was transformed into the standard of the
computer industry. Receiving a handsome cut on every PC sold, Microsoft
was on its inevitable way to becoming the most powerful company of the
information age.

Microsoft officers who have examined the movie dismiss it as
"historically and factually incorrect". They say that Gates is unlikely
to seek an injunction against the screening or to sue for libel for fear
of bestowing legitimacy on what they regard as an "insignificant TV
movie". They also fear a further backlash in public opinion if Gates is
seen using his wealth to keep critics quiet.

But Gates-baiting is nothing new. He has long been reviled in Silicon
Valley, where Microsoft is called the "Evil Empire" and its Windows
system, though dominant in the computer market, is dismissed as
unreliable, inelegant, expensive and inferior. The trial deepened the
anti-Microsoft sentiment by revealing the predatory and arrogant nature
of Gates' business practice. Even when he embarked on a whirlwind of
chat-show appearances and huge charity donations, many dismissed it as a
blatant and cynical ruse to polish his tarnished image.

But while Gates's steely personality has been exposed in the past by
critical biographers, Pirates of Silicon Valley marks the first time his
dramatised story will be told to an American public hungry for scandal
about the computer titan. Such accounts have been dismissed in the past
as of interest only to hard-core technophiles, but with the rise of what
Entertainment Weekly called "computer geek chic", Pirates is assured an
audience of millions.

Sociologists say the cultural ground shift is largely the result of the
huge amounts of money that have been made in the computer revolution.
They also say that, with computers now present in more than half of all
US homes, America appears to have found itself in a love-hate
relationship with geeks and the technology they invented. While Gates is
resented by many for his alleged monopolistic practices, he is also
admired for having built up the world's biggest fortune and played such
a leading role in the popularisation of the computer.

Other hi-tech tycoons have also become objects of such wonder, emulation
and envy in American culture that academics identify them as a genuinely
new cultural icon. "The hi-tech entrepreneur is the new cowboy," says
Todd Gitlin, professor of culture, journalism and sociology at of New
York University. "He's a loner, admired as someone who makes something
happen. These folks are conceptualised as lone rangers. They're
pioneers."

But these moguls should be aware that such exalted status may prove to
be fragile and temporary. Should, as most experts predict, the
technology-hyped stock market crash, or technology appear to run out of
control, these modern-day moguls could experience a public backlash even
more ferocious than the one the transformed the financiers of Wall
Street in the 1980s from masters of the universe to blood-sucking
corporate leeches. "They will be recast from hi-tech heroes to the
villains behind the greatest ills of society," says psychologist Tony
Hoffman. "All society's traditional distrust of science will come
pouring back."

They will find plenty of ammo in Pirates. The movie is already creating
a buzz with its breathless exhortation to "see how two 20-year-old kids
stole a multibillion-dollar industry from America's corporate giants".

It proceeds to tell how the young Gates battled his great rival Steve
Jobs of Apple to shape and dominate the future of computers.

Gates is portrayed more like a Sicilian gangster than an entrepreneur.
He even utters a classic Mafia credo: "Keep your friends close and your
enemies closer."

As a 12-year-old Gates tells his psychologist that his idol is Napoleon.
A few 

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Execution of two Indian men in Nebraska

1999-07-06 Thread Ric Carter

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 Maybe the EU, Russia and China should come and bomb the shit out
 of the US to change Bill Clinton's mind to do something about it?

 On Sat, 26 Jun 1999, Amelia Edgeman wrote:
 
  We certainly need to stop things like this in our own country
  before we take on the "sins" of others.  This is a terrible
  situation.  Where are the civil rights people for the American
  Native?  Aren't these the dreaded "hate crimes" as much as any?

Clinton's more easily bribed than bombed.  All US politicos respond
favorably to large doses of cash; it's their life's-blood.  If some
Indian casino-owners or other interested parties make sufficiently
large 'contributions', DoJ will dive right in.  Just watch.  We have
the best gov't money can buy.

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[CTRL] [19] Jack Parsons The Curious Origins of the American Space Program

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Jack Parsons


The Curious Origins of the American Space Program

by The Magician

Part 19: Axe Me No Questions


I dozed off for a while. When I awoke, I could see bright sunlight at
the top of the tunnel. I looked around but there was no Trisha, no
copper door. I wasn’t surprised. Still, I checked the wall carefully and
clawed away some of the dirt. Nope. No copper door here. Just daylight
and sanity.

I looked at the tunnel with some suspicion. I had crawled down the
tunnel, with gravity trying to pull me back up. So, logically, I would
have to work my way up the tunnel, being careful that gravity didn’t
accelerate me along and spit me out to the external world. I tossed a
rock part way up the tunnel. It came rolling back down toward me.

I stuck my torso partly into the tunnel. No suction. Gravity was pulling
me down. So, it was a weird tunnel. No matter from which direction you
entered it, it pushed you back. Get out of me! it seemed to be saying. I
worked my way through it, and stood up outside in the warm sunlight. It
was mid-afternoon.

Down below, my car stood on a dirt road that ended at the cliff. For off
in the distance I could see a highway with two-way traffic.

I sighed, looked for the baseball bat, and took it down with me. I got
in the car and tossed the bat against the other door in the front seat.
The gas gauge told me I had 1/8 of tank left. I started the car and
headed back to the highway. There I turned back in the direction of Los
Angeles. At least that part was easy. Los Angeles was always to the
west, as long as you weren’t at the beach.

I turned on the radio and found a station. They were playing a song by
Shocking Blue. I laughed out loud. Venus. Then came the news.

"And now the news from KJIZ, brought to you by Dusty Trail Carburetors,
the carburetor of the future.

"There has been a bizarre new development in the Oral Jerry Swagger
case. Early today the body of one of the television evangelist’s
employees was found on the front lawn of Swagger’s Pasadena mansion.
According to police sources, the man’s throat had been cut and he had
been disemboweled with a butcher knife.

"A church spokesman, attorney Randy Stader, suggested that Satanists
were responsible for the killing."

(The voice of Randy Stader.)

"We regret immensely the tragic death of Mr. Craig Knowles, and extend
our condolences to his friends and associates at this time of sorrow.
Mr. Knowles was recently engaged in an important investigation
concerning what appear to be a coterie of Satanists linked to the U.S.
military, who were believed to be responsible for a wave of cattle and
even human mutilations throughout the western part of the U.S. We can
only speculate that members of this group took revenge on Mr. Knowles
for getting too close to the truth."

(The voice of the newsreader again.)

"However, confidential police sources tell KJIZ that the Pasadena police
are pursuing the possibility that Craig Knowles’ death was the result of
a love triangle. These sources speculate that at the time of his death,
Mr. Knowles was having a homosexual affair with the older Mr. Swagger,
and that he may have been killed by a jealous lover. KJIZ has been shown
photographs of what appear to be Mr. Swagger as a young man, engaged in
sex with another unidentified man. These sources imply that Mr. Swagger
has been a practicing homosexual for much of his life, and that the
death of Mr. Knowles has to be considered in that light. While these
sources say Mr. Swagger is not a suspect in the case, a note found in
the shirt pocket of the deceased reads: "I can’t live without your
love."

"In other news, Israeli police reported today that they have arrested a
group of orthodox extremists who have been planning to blow up the
Temple Mount. According to Israeli authorities, the group had hoped the
incident would precipitate an apocalyptic war between Jews and Arabs,
and hasten the coming of the Messiah . . ."

I turned off the radio and drove in silence for a while. Much as I tried
to suppress it, the news report on Oral Jerry Swagger was bothering me a
lot. Finally, I could stand it no longer and stopped the car beside the
road and opened the trunk. Killed by a butcher knife.

I checked each compartment of the travel bag for the chef’s knife. I
couldn’t find it anywhere. I had wrapped it in protective covering and
put it in with the rest of my things back at the Hilton. Hadn’t I? Well,
it wasn’t there now. I checked the passing traffic, and waited for an
appropriate gap. Then I slipped the axe out of the trunk and tossed it
out to the side of the road. I got back in the car and drove on.

I entertained myself with some consoling 

[CTRL] Viet Nam - Part 1: The Wall

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Viet Nam

Part 1: The Wall

by Robert L. Kocher


In Washington, D. C., stands a long black wall with over fifty-eight
thousand names of dead American military personnel engraved upon it. The
total is not completed. New names are added periodically, reflecting new
information. That wall is a memorial to those who died in the Viet Nam
war.

The wall is appropriately colored. The period of the war, which really
lasted from 1960 to 1969, after which the political condition in America
made the situation unsalvageable and an expression of self destruction
instead of a war, was one of the darkest periods in American history.
The period was marked by deep division in America. Segments of the
American population openly supported what was supposed to be the enemy.
Actress Jane Fonda was displayed on TV happily perched on a North
Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun. Mobs of American demonstrators took to the
streets waving North Viet Nam flags and chanting Ho, Ho, Ho Chi Minh in
support of the communist north. There were "teach-ins" by university
professors supporting North Viet Nam and other left-wing causes unc
onditionally while endorsing all methods of impeding or sabotaging any
resistance to communist expansion.

Concurrently, the content in TV and other areas of the media seemed to
have become a public relations machine supporting the entire spectrum of
what newscasters euphemistically labeled the anti-war movement and
social or political activism. The interpretations and language employed
on TV news were the same as the demonstrators used to describe
themselves. The premises assumed by the movement went unquestioned on TV
and were stated as news fact.

During that period there developed a new type of deep mistrust of the
American government which still exists today. There was serious question
as to how far the support for North Viet Nam and the extreme left—seen
in large demonstrations, in classrooms, and in the media—extended into
the structure of government, and how that support influenced, or
sabotaged, the conduct of the war, with the American military betrayed
and in the middle.

In the Korean war the American armed forces were asked to engage in
military tactics which made little sense to the troops. They were asked
to push the enemy back to the 38th parallel, then stop to be attacked
again. There was speculation that perhaps there were possible indigenous
leftward political elements back home that betrayed America. Such
speculation was dismissed as being too far-fetched. In a few years any
such consideration would be smeared and ridiculed as McCarthyism.

But, General Douglas MacArthur argued that his military plans in Korea
were being given to the communists before they were to be executed. In
fact, copies of his plans were given to the British government in
London. It was later found that there was a high level communist spy
ring operating in the British government. MacArthur may have been
correct in his accusation.

Socialism or Incompetence?

In Viet Nam, the far-fetched was still far-fetched, but was becoming the
most reasonable conclusion. The unthinkable was still the unthinkable.
To come to what otherwise would be a reasonable consideration, if not
conclusion, would place someone in the category with right-wing
caricatures, and be accused of bizarre thinking patterns. But something
was clearly wrong. There were too many things that didn't make sense.
Evidence seemed to support the contention that a political movement
which might have been developing underground for decades in this
country, and which was in sympathy with the system we were conducting
military operations against, was now positioned and surfacing to make
itself more strongly felt and make its long-planned move. It was clear
that increasing segments of the society felt secure in openly supporting
the enemy in ways that would have been unthinkable and not tolerated in
Korea or World War II. For some within this society the view could
arguably have changed from "My country, right or wrong" to a frame of
reference of "Socialism/communism, right or wrong." The war was being
undermined and fought in debating salons, university classrooms, and
political infiltration, while servicemen were being sacrificed to mark
time and preserve appearances during this move. Is it possible that
members of the military were put in a position of deliberate loss and
sabotage for purposes of engineering collapse of opposition to communist
advances while the argument was being concocted the resistance was
attempted but was impossible?

Or was the Viet Nam defeat a byproduct of simple absolute incompetence?

The statistics show as participants in the war:


[CTRL] On the Road in Tibet

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On the Road in Tibet

by Richard S. Ehrlich


(On his third visit during the past 15 years, Richard S. Ehrlich
recently spent one month in Tibet, including three weeks in Lhasa and a
week in Gyantse and Xigatse. The following is his second report from the
trip.--Zola)

ON THE FRIENDSHIP HIGHWAY, China -- The filth-encrusted Tibetan mother
repeatedly slaps her baby's forehead, trying to smash a fly.

Failing to squash the bug, the mother pinches her wrinkled breast and
shoves it into the baby's mouth, as they speed along on a public bus
through central Tibet.

The Chinese-built, double-lane, paved Friendship Highway takes them
across dramatic flatlands two miles high, wedged between gigantic,
upthrusted mountains of geological trauma, along the turbulent
Brahmaputra River.

The mother checks her infant's blackened T-shirt for lice, and scratches
away tiny, hardened clusters of dirt from his nose, until a nostril
bleeds.

Most of the bus passengers are also idling away the eight hours or so it
takes to travel from Tibet's second-biggest city, Xigatse (Shigatse), to
the capital, Lhasa.

Passengers' conversations are split according to race: the handful of
Chinese men and women speak Mandarin Chinese among themselves or when
they talk to a Tibetan, such as to the bus driver, because most of
China's migrants to this "roof of the world" speak no Tibetan.

Tibetans, who overwhelmingly pack the bus, merrily chat in Tibetan
language. Occasionally, they burst into soft devotional singing –
vaguely reminiscent of American-Indian Navajo chants.

When the bus crosses a bridge over the river, near the journey's
mid-point, they gasp the famous Buddhist prayer, "Om mani padme hum."

Some Tibetans fling pieces of colored, square tissue paper adorned with
woodblock-printed prayers out of the bus windows, so the wind can spiral
their pleas down the steep stone gorge and into the river, and beyond.

Prayers and Popcorn

Those passengers were the ones who bought inch-thick stacks of the
colored tissue paper -- in large squares or small, depending on budget
-- from a Tibetan woman covered in sweaters who sold the prayers that
morning along with popcorn, soft drinks and other treats for the long
bus journey.

Traffic, meanwhile, is light on The Friendship Highway.

A rumbling convoy of about a dozen, Chinese Peoples' Liberation Army
vehicles pass in the opposite direction every once in a while, mostly
big dull-green trucks covered with tarpaulin, and followed by a couple
of fuel tankers.

The highway's pit stops include small, rectangular, military garrisons
where uniformed Chinese troops do calisthenics in front of bleak
buildings topped by a satellite dish and China's red flag.

At the start of the bus journey, hotels in Xigatse bore posters in
English warning "independent" foreign travellers not to travel by public
bus, otherwise they would suffer a huge fine and expulsion from Tibet
--and cause severe punishment to bus drivers who disobeyed the ban.

As a result, many foreigners apply for a "permit" to cruise Tibet in an
official "group," inside expensive, hired Landrovers driven by Tibetans
from travel agencies. Some foreigners do try their luck on public
busses, hitch rides on trucks, or bravely set out on bicycles or on
foot.

The bus charges about five US dollars for the 250-kilometer, 7 a.m. to 3
p.m. ride northeast from Xigatse to Lhasa.

The driver of this bus, worried when he saw a taboo foreigner climb
aboard in Xigatse, blurted, "No, no! Police."

When his warning was ignored, however, he simply shifted into gear. His
apparent lack of real worry was similar to the security forces who never
closely scrutinized the bus or its passengers during the trip.

Confident Control

Chinese security forces, who allegedly killed one million Tibetans
during the past 40 years, instead appear extremely confident about their
control over Tibet, reflecting their ever-stregthening position since
crushing a bloody 1959 anti-Chinese uprising.

Today the only visible weapons displayed in Xigatse and Lhasa are a
scattering of Chinese-made AK-47 assault rifles -- some fitted with a
bayonet blade -- which are held by young, green-uniformed soldiers who
guard military bases, bridges, banks and other key installations.

On a bridge near Lhasa, some Chinese troops appear bored by the lack of
threat, so they giggle and goosestep in bright sunshine while crossing
the road, for their own amusement.

The only potential violence on the bus erupts when one loud, uniformed
Chinese soldier threatens to kick his camouflaged tennis shoe into the
face of the Tibetan bus conductor, apparently because of a missed stop.

Many Tibetans in the cities 

[CTRL] Systems Thinking Legislative Failures

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Systems Thinking  Legislative Failures

by James Wright


"Functional organization. How does one design an electric motor? Would
you attach a bathtub to it, simply because one is available? Would a
bouquet of flowers help? A heap of rocks? No, you would use just those
elements necessary to its purpose and make it no larger than needed—and
you would incorporate safety factors. Function controls design."

—Robert A. Heinlein, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress

The first principle is to reject the impulse to legislate everything. A
new law is not needed just because an event captures the attention of
the national media. Recent events involving guns do not justify stricter
handgun controls; they don’t even justify greater efforts to enforce
existing laws. They do justify a query; why did the existing laws fail,
and if they did fail, why are they on the books? I heard varying numbers
in Congressional debate, the most common being eighteen separate laws
that the school-age shooters in Colorado managed to circumvent. Congress
is quite capable of writing any number of laws, and expanding the
bureaucracies that try to implement and enforce them exponentially; if
this has not functioned in the past, why repeat the same wasteful
efforts?

One definition of insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly and
expecting different results.

Another point is that there were eighteen laws already passed that
penalized this behavior. Why were there so many to begin with? Here is
another problem presenting itself for solution; there is no force or
constraint that minimizes legislation to a necessary minimum. We need to
create or introduce a force that trims away and whittles down
legislation to the least amount possible, and keeps trying to reduce it
further.

The quote from Heinlein above was actually used to describe the
structure of a revolutionary organization, but it can apply to
legislation as well. The logic applies to nearly any design: the lean,
clean efficiency of a cheetah, a bridge or a haiku. Evolutionary
pressures grind and reduce the lines of a cheetah to minimal but certain
lethality; a bridge is mathematics and stress analysis carried to a
logical choice. Even a haiku is the result of centuries of Japanese
aesthetics, critically and continually pruned and polished to
perfection. Why should legislation be any different?

It could be, if we choose to subject it to the same criteria. The first
and obvious rule is that legislation should be no broader or longer than
necessary. This rule is flunked by many bills that are proposed today,
and certainly those generally called "Omnibus" bills. Omnibus health
care reform was a socialist nightmare, omnibus spending bills are pork
barrels on steroids, and the omnibus crime bills are intrusions on
personal freedom beyond Orwell’s darkest dreams. No legislation should
be written which addresses more than one concern, and the overall goal
should be to write as few laws as possible. Another good suggestion
comes from L. Neil Smith’s "Lever Action Essay" at
http://webleyweb.com/lneil/antmen.html .

Islamic children are generally required to memorize the Koran; certainly
the Ten Commandments and the Noble Eightfold Path are short, thorough
and clear enough to allow understanding. As a nation, our goal should be
to have national legislation that mimics the clarity and brevity of
these codes.

Complex Systems

Complex systems that work invariably arise from simple systems that
work. Automobiles are collections of wheels, axles, pistons, cylinders,
spark plugs and so on. Henry Ford was not required to invent all of
these systems; he was able to mass-produce them successfully. On the
other hand, have you ever read the entire Internal Revenue System Code?
Of course not, neither have I; it runs to thousands of pages. Likewise,
the Environmental Protection Act, the Social Security Act, the

laws that cover Equal Opportunity, the S.E.C., the Federal Reserve, and
so forth are behemoths. None of these sprang from simple systems that
were tried and perfected over generations; all were the "total
inspirations" of a single or small group of legislators, and all are
woefully overblown and impossible for ordinary citizens to understand.

They have created immense bureaucracies, cumbersome regulations and
draconian penalties for non-compliance. If our country is ever to have a
hope of being "the land of the free and the home of the brave" again, we
have to dismantle these archaic heaps of legalese and start over. To
assist this, all laws should have an automatic "sunset" provision,
similar to that which will kill the Special Prosecutor law soon; not
because the Special Prosecutors didn’t work 

[CTRL] What's Wrong with Proportional Representation

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What's Wrong with Proportional Representation

by Lauren Bain


Every now and then the republic receives a challenge from the la-la land
of the Voices. The Voices express their right to be heard, and even the
right to win elections. Invariably, they are attributed to minorities.
There are Women (who comprise more than 50 percent of the population,
and a higher percentage of the voting population); Blacks (who, despite
all indoctrination efforts, confound Liberal orthodoxy by refusing to
vote as a block); Hispanics (many of whom are conservative voters, a
fact incredulous Liberals find especially cloying), and sundry folks who
just don't subscribe to a dominant party line.

Proportional Representation (PR) awards minority parties seats based on
the proportion they receive of the popular vote. The system actually is
a vote redistribution scheme that gives Voices a chance. Voters would
have lots of choices, proponents gush, because lots more parties would
get their people elected. Lots more candidates and discouraged voters
would be represented, no votes would be wasted, and best of all, as
Catch 22's Milo Minderbinder always said, "everybody has a share." PR
redefines everything in politics, including the meaning of "popular."

One problem with understanding the pitfalls of PR is the number of PR
models out there. No three proponents ever seem to be discussing the
same thing. One will concede that the system is impracticable on a
Senatorial or Presidential level; another will claim that PR would have
changed the 1992 Presidential election. But PR's supporters (Lani
Guinier, for instance) agree that under our current system, there are
wasted votes, that a PR system is more fair because it would enable more
minorities to gain political office, that PR is more representative than
the single-member districts we have, and that somehow, productive
coalitions will result from its implementation.

"Fair" and Other Fallacies

PR backers who are not avowed Liberals borrow heavily from the Liberal
lexicon, using epithets like "misguided," and "unfair" when referring to
their opponents. Unfortunately, some Libertarians support PR, presumably
because they see the system as their only shot at getting their people
into office. They overlook the fact the PR is basically a subsidy system
for non-competitive parties, whereas the present system represents a
political marketplace: a free market of parties from which a voter may
freely choose. It stings when your party loses a lot of the time, but
that's capitalism--make your product better if you want to sell more of
it.

And PR sports other fallacies.

Is there such a thing as wasted votes? No. All votes in this country are
recorded and become part of history. When a plurality victor enters the
state Legislature with 48 percent of the vote, having toppled a leading
contender who got 46 percent and an also-ran who received 6 percent,
that new representative is very conscious that he is not the beloved of
the majority. He will do everything he possibly can to make everyone
very happy, because he needs to appease a lot of voters in his
re-election campaign. He will be a coalition builder, and he will be
responsive to his local constituents, because he is acutely aware that
he lacks a mandate. That is the up- side of a majority-driven republic.
This is not to say that everyone gets his way; but, simply that no votes
are actually wasted.

Is PR a more fair system because it would enable more minorities or
minority parties to gain political office? No. Third-party candidate
Jesse Ventura astonished Minnesota, the nation, and non-major partisans
generally when Minnesota voters elected him governor. Minnesota does not
have proportional representation; Ventura was elected by a direct vote.
Life in a republic means there are winners and losers. PR smacks of
"leveling the playing field." Elections are competitive events; parties
compete for governance in the marketplace of ideas. If you're losing,
then redesign, repackage, and make yourself saleable. Those who have
earned the right to govern American citizens are not obliged to be
apologists for the principle of majority rule. If those elected officia
ls abuse the trust of that majority, then they fully deserve the voters'
rigorous contempt the next time around.

Give Us Your Tired, Your Braindead. . .

If the majority is braindead, proportional representation will not
salvage the republic. Idiocy will simply be distributed among more party
lines.

Is PR more representative than the single-member districts we have? No.
Our taxation districts are local, and our representative districts
should be local. Most PR models contemplate 

[CTRL] [4] Chaos and Fractals in Financial Markets

1999-07-06 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.27/pageone.html
A HREF="http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.27/pageone.html"Laissez Faire City Times
/A-
Laissez Faire City Times
July 5, 1999 - Volume 3, Issue 27
Editor  Chief: Emile Zola

Chaos and Fractals in Financial Markets

Part 4

by J. Orlin Grabbe

Gamblers, Zero Sets, and Fractal Mountains


Henry and Thomas are flipping a fair coin and betting $1 on the outcome.
If the coin comes up heads, Henry wins a dollar from Thomas. If the coin
comes up tails, Thomas wins a dollar from Henry. Henry’s net winnings in
dollars, then, are the total number of heads minus the total number of
tails.



But we saw all this before, in Part 3. If we let x(n) denote Henry’s net
winnings, then x(n) is determined by the dynamical system:



x(n) = x(n) + 1, with probability p =
x(n) = x(n) – 1, with probability q =  .



The graph of 10,000 coin tosses in Part 3 simply shows the fluctuations
in Henry’s wealth (starting from 0) over the course of the 10,000 coin
tosses.



Let’s do this in real time, although we will restrict ourselves to 3200
coin tosses. Let’s plot Henry’s winnings for a new game that lasts for
3200 flips of the coin. You can quickly see the results of many games
with a few clicks of your mouse. Make sure Java is enabled on your web
browser, and click here.

There are three things to note about this demonstration:

1.Even though the odds are even for each coin clip, winnings or losses
can at times add up significantly. Even though a head or a tail is
equally probable for each coin flip, there can be a series of "runs"
that result in a large loss to either Henry or Thomas. This fact is
important in understanding the "gambler’s ruin" problem discussed later.


2.The set of points where x(n) comes back to x(n) = 0 (that is, the
points where wins and losses are equalized), is called the zero set of
the system. Using n as our measure of time, the time intervals between
each point of the zero set are independent, but form clusters, much like
Cantor dust. To see the zero set plotted for the coin tossing game, make
sure Java is enabled on your web browser and click here. The zero set
represents those times at which Henry has broken even. (Make sure to run
the series of coin flips multiple times, to observe various patterns of
the zero set.)



3.The fluctuations in Henry’s winnings form an outline that is
suggestive of mountains and valleys. In fact, this is a type of
"Brownian landscapes" that we see around us all the time. To create
different "alien" landscapes, for, say, set decorations in a science
fiction movie, we can change the probabilities. The effects in three
dimensions, with a little color shading, can be stunning.

Since we will later be discussing motions that are not Brownian, and
distributions that are not normal (not Gaussian), it is important to
first point out an aspect of all this that is somewhat independent of
the probability distribution. It’s called the Gambler’s Ruin Problem.
You don’t need nonnormal distributions to encounter gambler's ruin.
Normal ones will do just fine.

Futures Trading and the Gambler’s Ruin Problem



This section explains how casinos make most of their money, as well as
why the traders at Goldman Sachs make more money speculating than you
do. It’s not necessarily because they are smarter than you. It’s because
they have more money. (However, we will show how the well-heeled can
easily lose this advantage.)



Many people assume that the futures price of a stock index, bond,
foreign currency, or commodity like gold represents a fair bet. That is,
they assume that the probability of an upward movement in the futures
price is equal to the probability of a downward movement, and hence the
mathematical expectation of a gain or loss is zero. They use the analogy
of flipping a fair coin. If you bet $1 on the outcome of the flip, the
probability of your winning $1 is one-half, while the probability of
losing $1 is also one-half. Your expected gain or loss is zero. For the
same reason, they conclude, futures gains and futures losses will tend
to offset each other in the long run.



There is a hidden fallacy in such reasoning. Taking open positions in
futures contracts is not analogous to a single flip of a coin. Rather,
the correct analogy is that of a repeated series of coin flips with a
stochastic termination point. Why? Because of limited capital. Suppose
you are flipping a coin with a friend and betting $1 on the outcome of
each flip. At some point either you or your friend will have a run of
bad luck and will lose several dollars in succession. If one player has
run out of money, the game will come to an end. The same is true in the
futures market. If you have a string of losses on a futures position,
you will have to post more margin. If at some point you cannot post the
required margin, you will have to close out the contract. You are forced

[CTRL] Second Amendment LawÊLibrary

1999-07-06 Thread Kris Millegan

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A HREF="http://www.2ndlawlib.org/"Second Amendment Law Library/A
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Second Amendment

Law Library


Legal scholarship on the Second Amendment



Last updated: July 3, 1999
Law Reviews


Featuring recent Law Journal articles on the Second Amendment. Includes
the entire "1982 Senate Report". A suggested introductory reading list
is available for those new to the topic. The latest arrival is: An 1874
 Law Journal article: Dillon  Thompson, eds., The Right to Keep and
Bear Arms for Private and Public Defence.
Related Articles


Informative opinions published in other forums by the authors. The
latest arrival is: Akhil Amar, Second Thoughts: What the right to bear
arms really means.
Other Materials


Interesting materials on the Second Amendment and other topics. The
latest arrivals are:
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[CTRL] [2] The Marcos Dynasty

1999-07-06 Thread Kris Millegan

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An excerpt from:
The Marcos Dynasty
Sterling Seagrave©1988
Harper  Row, Inc
ISBN 0-06-015815-8
out-of-print

Five

UNNATURAL ACTS

AT THE END of the Pacific War, life in the Philippines did not return to
normal but took on a surreal, nightmarish quality as America refused to leave.

Throughout the Far East, Washington was attempting to install right-wing
governments as a first line of defense against communism, and its success
depended heavily on two dubious allies, Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek's
notoriously corrupt KMT and the Japanese underworld. Because of the nature of
things in Asia, conservative political movements derived their power from the
muscle of the underworld, which could be paid to knock heads and counted on
to resist reform of any variety. In Korea and China, as well as in Japan and
the Philippines, MacArthur's G-2, General Willoughby, was purging radicals
with the single-mindedness of Torquemada and the help of the underworld. In
Washington, Senator McCarthy and the China Lobby were coming into full cry.
Although one day McCarthy and the China Lobby would be discredited, by then
MacArthur, Willoughby, and the CIA had midwifed a string of bone-crushing
regimes calling themselves the Iron Triangle. One leg of this tripod was the
Chiang regime, transposed to Taiwan and protected by the U.S. Seventh Fleet.
Generalissimo Chiang was anxious to influence the politics of wealthy
overseas Chinese and maintained an undercover army of political agents
throughout the Far East. This provided an ideal funnel for the CIA's
anti-Communist funds and a ready-made vehicle for U.S. covert operations. The
Philippines became a staging area for intervention in the affairs of
Indonesia, Indochina, Thailand, Vietnam, Malaya, and Burma. America's huge
air and naval bases in the Philippines provided jumping-off points.
Controlling politics in the archipelago became more important after America
allowed the Philippines to become independent in 1946. For its part, the KMT
became more obsessed than ever with destroying leftist and liberal elements
in the Philippines and with dominating its Chinese community. A secret war
got underway in which ordinary Filipinos became the enemy.

On the very eve of independence, Washington began to intervene once again in
favor of those members of the oligarchy prepared to engage in unnatural acts.
The rule of law was to be honored in the breach, appearance was to count
instead of reality, and the whole charade was to be mimed with a bogus air of
piety. The scene was set for a new generation of corruption and malfeasance
on a monumental scale, a large standing army would be engaged full time only
in protecting vested interests, all democratic protest in the islands would
be labeled subversive or Communist-inspired, and opportunities for bribery to
achieve short range goals would prove irresistible even for the White House.
Again it was Douglas MacArthur who set the standard.

As the U.S. Army advanced into the mountains around Baguio in April 1945,
remaining members of the Laurel government began to slip away from the
Japanese. Manuel Roxas, three other cabinet ministers, and the chief justice
reached American lines. MacArthur sent a plane for Roxas, but had the other
men detained, and ordered the Free Philippines, a newspaper of the Office of
War Information, to run a trumpedup story: "ROXAS IS AMONG LIBERATED, 4
CABINET AIDES CAUGHT." MacArthur thus set his protege Roxas apart, distorting
postwar politics in the islands and turning ethics on their head. Manuel
Roxas was freed, restored to his rank of general, and given MacArthur's
special pardon. The rest of the wartime puppets, most of them MacArthur's
personal adversaries, or rivals of MacArthur's business associates in Manila,
were interned.

"MacArthur could be wildly inconsistent when the oppressors were friends of
his," conceded biographer William Manchester. Locked away in the files of
U.S. Attorney General Tom Clark was a secret report identifying Roxas as one
of the leading Filipino collaborators; this document (still classified
decades later) contained hard evidence that members of the senate, cabinet,
and Roxas himself had helped the Japanese wipe out Filipino and American
guerrillas, seize food from poor farmers to feed Japanese troops, and draft
the Laurel government's declaration of war against the United States.

Despite this evidence, at MacArthur's urging President Truman abandoned
Roosevelt's policy that there must be an American-enforced purge of
collaborators. Truman's decision was influenced by America's growing
obsession with communism, a fear being fanned energetically by the Republican
party in its effort to recapture the White House from the Democrats. In
Manila the excitement of independence gave way to the jingoism of the
McCarthy era. General MacArthur and High Commissioner Paul McNutt, nicknamed
the "Hoosier Hitler" by his Filipino opponents, urged vigorous support for
the 

Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] WORLD ORDER MEMBERS WHO ATTENDED BILDERBERGER MEETING]

1999-07-06 Thread Robert Tatman

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Andrew Hennessey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  -Caveat Lector-

 There's far too many there to be a credible global steering group.
 Those choices sound too thoughtful - professors of peace, global love plc
 doctors of political correctness, reasonable politicians -

 where are all the mad raving loonies that are really running this planet :)

 Andrew Hennessey
 Transformation Studies Group
 Edinburgh   Scotland

Careful, Andrew--you're coming close to the truth...which is that there are
*multiple* "global steering groups" competing to set the agenda for the new
millennium. There is no such thing as "The Conspiracy"--instead there are many
different conspiracies, which sometimes fight each other and sometimes enter
into temporary alliances. Orwell hinted at this in *1984*, with the Inner
Party and the Outer Party, and especially with the fluctuating alliances...is
Oceania at war with Eurasia, or is it at war with Eastasia? Everything is
fluid, everything is changeable...O'Brien: "he who controls the present
controls the past; he who controls the past controls the future." Newthink is
doubleplus good; oldthink is doubleplus ungood; oldthink is
unthink...translation: it never existed in the first place, the thought was
never thought...and *you* are the Party's best mind-control agent, because you
control your own mind on the Party's behalf. Long live Big Brother. The clocks
are striking thirteen.

Bob

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Re: [CTRL] Brouhaha; re:[CTRL] [1] Hitler's Priestess-Savitri_Devi, The Hindu-Aryan Myth,

1999-07-06 Thread Kris Millegan

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In a message dated 7/3/99 2:42:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Kris, you are a master propagandist, as are most jews.

John Lee

Shazam, Johnny Lee, your powers of perception seem to be as strong as your
research.

As, a wrote to some NY editors.- "Prejudice is not research."


1. I am not Jewish. I am a blond, blue-eyed Irish, Scottish, English, Dutch
and few other besides.

2. Gee, thanks for the compliment, I have been studying propagnda for many
years and it is amazing how it works; the big lie, the truth must be
presented(hopefully in a discredited manner), Function and form are constant,
the lyrics are recycled—what a bore!

3. All I did was present some material from a recent book, so readers may
review and I highly recommend that readers pursue the total book either at a
library or by purchase.

4. Mr. Goodrich-Clarke's books are highly spoke of and tend not to be
impeached out-of-hand because of exhaustive and verifiable research; and his
tendency to be on firm ground for his findings rather than whims , prejudice
or fancy.

5. Excusa, for being gone to a wedding; staying at a motel with no phones.
Had computer but bo on-ramp. Was a nice time. Mr. Lee had already signed-off
by the time I logged-on late last night, so hopefully we nwon't need to go
over much of this same ground.

6. THANK-YOU moderators for steppin-up and taking care of the situation.  I
was planning on being able to check-in and didn't really let the other
moderators know I was leaving. Thanks again.

7.  And since they were so well received I have two other posts in that
series that aren't in the archive, I shall post.  Also it is amazing of the
amount of information already out there on the conspiracy. Now is the time
for all good men and women to come to the aid of their country.

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Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
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Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Monday #1]

1999-07-06 Thread Robert Tatman

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Andrew Hennessey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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 # Do aliens exist? An Islamic perspective. (DAWN) In spite of all the res-
   earch, first hand experiences and beliefs about the existence of extra-
   terrestrial, there is one aspect that confounds me. Why is it that the
   people in the subcontinent mostly encounter jinns, the presence of which
   is verified in the Holy Quran, and those living in the West mostly enc-
   ounter aliens and their ships? http://dawn.com/weekly/review/review6.htm

 but western women have been finding djinn a tonic for years -
 always a good 'pick me up' ...

 Andrew

 
I think we had better scotch this one before it goes any further... ;^)

Bob

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[CTRL] Flame Wars, etc [was something else]

1999-07-06 Thread Robert Tatman

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Teo One Thousand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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 In a message dated 7/5/99 10:11:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  What IS forbidden is conduct that leads to flame-wars.  Participants
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   private email or on Usenet, not here.
 
 Ric Carter, co-moderator

 Excellent response.  As a list Moderator myself and a long time member, I
 have seen this sort of thing come and go.  It is stupid and illustrative of
 the lack of sufficient erudition to make a thoughtful rebuttal to points you
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And we have certainly seen enough flame wars in the last two years. I still
have scars from tangling with Bill Cooper, for example...and no one who
experienced it will ever forget the great Christian Identity flap. Generally
we manage to keep the discussion more or less on an even keel, and the regular
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Re: [CTRL] Re: [CTRL] Re:______[CTRL]_[1]_Hitler's_Priestess__Savitri_Devi,...

1999-07-06 Thread Kris Millegan

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In a message dated 7/5/99 6:18:25 PM, you wrote:



I am a little late on this one but this is something that I don't want to see

here on this list.  Mr. Lee's comments smack of anti-Semitism and have no

place here.  Critiquing Kris's choice of books for their informational value

would always be welcome but resorting to comparing him to a Jew which you

proceed to demean by declaring that they are masters of propaganda.  The

implication is obvious.  Let US NOT resort to personal attack or attacking a

single group for blanket response.  SOME Jews are masters of propaganda, just

as some Arabs are, as well as Christians, Moslems, Chinese, etc.  Blanket

statements and personal attacks will get you nowhere.  If you don't like the

source then attack it's scholarly foundations, not the messenger.  Kris has

done a good job (IMO) of providing a vast amount of data from varied sources,

to satisfy just about every avenue of research in the field of conspiracy.  I

don't agree with 100% of what he says but I would never resort to attacking

him personally for holding his views, and especially NOT for posting excerpts

from others' works.

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Rising Oil Prices: Less There than Meets the Eye

Summary:

Oil prices have gone up 80 percent in a couple of months.  Twenty
years ago, the world would have been riveted.  Today, the world's
equity and money markets remain indifferent and even soar in
tandem.  The doubling of the price of oil does not mean what it
once did.  Is the calm justified?  To get at that question, we have
to figure out why prices rose in the first place.  We do not think
that production cuts were the sole cause of the rise.  Expectations
of Asia's economic recovery and a growing feeling that Central
Asia's oil may not make it to market were critical in driving
prices up.  Since we do not think that Asia's recovery will be all
that dramatic and since Central Asian oil is a long-term issue, we
do not think that prices will continue to surge, particularly since
other mineral commodity prices have not kept pace with oil.

Analysis:

The world has seen a dramatic increase in the price of oil during
the last few months.  From a low point in February of under $10 a
barrel, the price of North Sea Brent has risen to just over $18 a
barrel at the close of trading in London.  This is the highest
price for oil since December 1997.  That means that oil prices have
risen by about 80 percent in about four months, with most of the
gains in the last two months.  This ought to be important and even
startling news, yet it seems that both the media and the markets
have taken the news in stride.  American markets, which a
generation ago lived in dread of high oil prices, hit new highs
along with oil, rather than moving in the other direction.  In many
ways, that news is more interesting than the rising oil prices.

The collapse of oil prices, along with other commodity prices in
the early 1980s was, in our view, the trigger behind the boom of
the 1980s and the long-term surge in U.S. stock prices.  We say
"trigger" rather than "cause" because there were several important
causes, ranging from demographics to the business cycle.
Nevertheless, the decline in the cost of commodities decreased the
cost of production and the cost of living in the industrialized
countries, facilitating capital formation while easing pressure
caused by consumer demand.  The decline in commodity prices also
exacted a toll, ushering in an intense third-world debt crisis. Low
commodity prices, of which oil prices are the most important,
propelled the American economy upward while cushioning the decline
in Asia.  These low prices also had the inevitable counter-action
of severely harming commodity-exporting countries.  From Venezuela
to Saudi Arabia to Indonesia, the effect of low oil prices on
national economies was becoming catastrophic by the beginning of
1999.

Suddenly, oil prices have nearly doubled.  It is important to try
to understand the causes leading up to this extraordinary event, in
order to gage first its permanence, and second its consequences.
The fact that the global economy has not yet reacted to rising oil
prices can mean one of three things.  First, the global markets may
not be convinced that the rise is sustainable.  Second, oil is not
as important as it once was.  Third, the markets have not fully
absorbed the meaning of the shift. The reason matters a great deal.

The obvious cause of the rise in oil prices has to do with
agreements reached by oil producers earlier this year.  As oil
prices collapsed last year, OPEC members, particularly major
producers Saudi Arabia and Venezuela which had long worked at
cross-purposes to each other, began to collaborate in getting oil
producers not only to promise to cut production, but actually to
enforce the cuts.  This was difficult for two reasons.  First, some
of the most important producers in 1999, unlike in 1973, were not
members of OPEC.  Second, and more important, most oil-producing
countries, particularly those that were heavily dependent on oil
revenues for a large measure of their income, could not absorb the
costs of cutting production.   Quite the contrary, each agreement
to cut oil production led to market openings for oil producers.  In
spite of promises, economic pressures caused producers to sell
secretly into the market openings.

It was extremely difficult to create a cartel-like 

[CTRL] The National Guard's new Y2K RAID team (fwd)

1999-07-06 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_bresnahan/19990706_xex_the_national.shtml

 The National Guard's new Y2K RAID team


  Plan for domestic terror units
  in all 50 states by January 1


  By David M. Bresnahan
  © 1999 WorldNetDaily.com

  A new National Guard RAID unit is
  being organized and trained to
  respond to domestic terrorist threats,
  with a team in every state and
  territory in time for Y2K.

  Each team is made up of 22 full-time
  National Guard members and is
  prepared to deal with domestic threats
  from terrorist groups using weapons
  of mass destruction.

  As the new year approaches, the
  National Guard in most states has
  progressed from weekly to
  twice-weekly meetings to prepare
  plans for Y2K contingencies,
  according to a guard officer who
  attends the meetings. Each meeting
  takes place in secure areas, such as
  the Plans Operations and Training
  section of Guard facilities. The RAID
  teams meet and train on a daily basis.

  Details of the National Guard RAID
  teams were found in a recent report
  issued by Mark E. Gebicke, director
  of National Security and International
  Affairs.

  Articles in WorldNetDaily exposing
  secret National Guard Y2K plans
  forced many guard units, and the
  National Guard Bureau, to hold more
  secret meetings to decide how to
  handle the disclosure. In January,
  WorldNetDaily broke the story that
  the National Guard Bureau had secret
  plans to test a method for national
  mobilization without the use of
  telephones in the event of Y2K
  disaster. Another article detailed
  many of the concerns of guard
  officers and Y2K planners regarding
  expected Y2K contingencies and civil
  disturbances.

  One National Guard officer, who
  participates in the twice-weekly
  secret meetings, recently contacted
  WorldNetDaily to express his
  concerns over the seriousness of
  expected Y2K consequences.

  "There is no valid, logical reason to
  keep this information from the public,
  other than political. The current
  administration seems to believe the
  American people are not capable of
  dealing with the truth," explained the
  officer in a phone interview over the
  weekend.

  "We are talking about far more than
  just possible loss of power and phone
  service. We are planning for civil
  unrest, as well as attacks from foreign
  and domestic enemies," he described.

  The consequences of Y2K will
  present an ideal opportunity for
  enemies of the United States to take
  advantage and attack. There are so
  many different threats that the source
  said it is highly likely that at least one
  or more will actually carry out
  multiple attacks using Y2K as the
  ideal opportunity to strike.

  He was concerned that militia groups
  in all parts of the country are
  considered a threat. WorldNetDaily
  earlier this year exposed plans by the
  FBI to infiltrate militia groups and
  prepare to one day round up members.

  "Most of these people are good
  quality Americans who are genuinely
  concerned about our nation, but they
  are all being categorized (as a threat)
  because there are a small number
  among them who are the real problem.
  The really far-off extremists," he
  explained. "There's no reason to go
  after everyone just because of a few
  nuts."

  A National Guard Bureau contact
  who previously spoke with
  WorldNetDaily was reluctant to
  provide new information in a recent
  phone conversation. He did confirm
  the existence of the RAID teams and
  admitted that his Y2K committee now
  meets almost daily just outside
  Washington, D.C.

  In January he told WorldNetDaily that
  the guard was preparing for Y2K
  disruptions that were expected to last
  about two or 

[CTRL] Fwd: Black Ops? Hmmm ......

1999-07-06 Thread Kris Millegan





Subj:   Fwd: EVACUATIONS UNDERWAY
Date:   7/1/99 8:38:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ivan Shapiro)

THIRTY MILITARY FAMILIES SUDDENLY LEAVE THE U.S. 

Col. Jim Ammerman is the military chaplin that has been exposing what is 
going on in the military concerning the plans of the one world conspiracy. In 
a recent interview on short wave radio with Chris Gerner, Col. Ammerman 
reveals that some of his 
air force friends have sold their homes and their cars and have suddenly 
moved their families out of the 48 states. 

They could not reveal exactly out what they were told, but they did say that 
they saw orders or plans that something was going to happen in America, and 
when it did there could be a 50% death rate nationwide. They decided to leave 
the country and would not say where they were going. This riveting interview 
from a very Credible Christian Military man. 

Greetings fellow Christian Patriots; 

First of all, I can confirm the above. Inside sources have alleged that the 
Cheyenne Mountain base in Colorado [NORAD headquarters] is at DEFCON-3, and 
that several military families who formerly worked at this base are leaving 
the U.S. There are plans in the works to provoke a National Emergency in 
order to implement Socialist Martial Law, and this ‘emergency’ will probably 
be a combination of economic collapse, social unrest-anarchy, and ‘terrorist’ 
activities. 

First of all, this plan may look exactly like the Nazi plot to take over 
Europe during World War II. You may not believe me, but I can assure you that 
the EXACT SAME FORCES [namely those Luciferian-Satanic secret societies like 
the Thule Society which CREATED the Nazi Party] are the ones who are behind 
this present effort to create a ‘4th Reich’ in the U.S.A. 

The present effort was rooted in a secret alliance between Nazi General 
Reinhard Gehlen [Bavarian Thule Society] and Allen Dulles [Bavarian 
Illuminati], which resulted in the establishment of the Central Intelligence 
Agency in 1947 as an intelligence force for Nazi war criminals and former 
Nazi intelligence agents to escape into a new agency, in order to continue 
their Fuhrer’s dream [nightmare] of a "New World Order"—that was the title of 
Hitler’s second book after MEIN KAMPF, by the way. This secret has gotten 
more people killed than you will ever know. JFK was a victim of this fascist 
CIA plot which resulted in a coup d’etat in the EXECUTIVE-MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL 
branch of our ‘government’. 

Why do you think the CIA has been so heavily involved in toppling third world 
governments and replacing them with fascist puppet dictatorships? 

Today, the NAZI SS goes by the name of the BLACK OPS. One and the same. Like 
I said, you probably won’t believe me. But as they say, "those conspiracies 
which are too incredible to be believed, are by the same right those which 
most often succeed" [simply because few people would dare believe them]. 

Congress has absolutely no power over this Executive-Military- Industrial 
BLACK OPS secret government simply because Congressional watchdogs/overseers 
are allowed only TOP SECRET security clearances, whereas the Black Ops 
operate at at least 30 security levels ABOVE AND BEYOND top secret. In other 
words, they operate IN THE BLACK. The late Phil Schneider [who supposedly 
committed ‘suicide’ by ‘strangling himself’ with piano wire] stated that the 
massive underground empire of the Black Ops—interconnected bomb shelters, 
subsurface bases, and even cities like Mt. Weather—siphon over 1.5 TRILLION 
dollars from the economy every two years. No wonder we are living a life of 
economic slavery and our national debt is in the Trillions. It was no 
accident. We must remember that although this plot is being carried out by 
National Socialists, the secret societies that back them are blatantly 
Luciferian, and thus they also have the intent to do away with Christians, 
Jews, Patriots, etc. So it is a SPIRITUAL conflict as well. 

Check out the following URL for info on this National Socialist infiltration 
of the USA following WWII. 

http://eaglenet.pair.com/omega 

The following comes from the above URL, and is a list of actual Executive 
Orders [interesting that most of the ‘Chief Executives’ following JFK were 
hirelings of the CFR and other Corporate global agencies]. Never forget the 
STRONG connection between National, Communist and Corporate Socialists. The 
Luciferian cults of Bavaria had a hand in creating all three as part of a 
Machievellian system of world subversion. So in essence the ‘right wing’ and 
the ‘left wing’ are controlled by a single ‘beast’ or dragon if you will. 

These blatantly Socialist E.O.’s are as far as I’m concerned Illegal, because 
they are NOT Congressionally approved. As far as I’m concerned, the Congress 
is our government, NOT the Executive branch which is filled with unelected 
"appointees". The President should only serve as an arbitrator when Congress 
is split over 

[CTRL] [3] Hitler's Priestess Ñ Savitri Devi, The Hindu-Aryan Myth, and Neo-Nazism

1999-07-06 Thread Kris Millegan

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An excerpt from:
Hitler's Priestess — Savitri Devi, The Hindu-Aryan Myth, and Neo-Nazism
Nicholas Goodricke-Clarke©1998
New York University Press
www.nyupress.nyu.edu
ISBN 0-8147-3110-4
-
Another fine one from, Mr. Goodricke-Clarke.  Highly Reccomended.
Om
K
-
Chapter 3

HINDU NATIONALISM

Savitri Devi regarded Hinduism as the only living Aryan heritage in the
modern world. In her eyes, Hinduism was a powerful ally in her campaign to
confront and oppose the Judaeo- Christian heritage and its casteless,
egalitarian, challenge to the Aryan tradition. But her AryanNazi championship
of Hinduism also interacted with domestic political movements in India
between the wars. These movements were concerned with varieties of Hindu
nationalism, conceived as an upper-caste strategy to unify and strengthen
Indian society against the threat of other cultures (Islam and Christianity),
while seeking to emulate the confidence and authority of the British. These
movements were strongest in northern India, where the Muslim threat was more
acutely perceived, and originated in Maharashtra, where Brahmin prestige had
been challenged by backward caste movements from the 1870s onward. When
Savitri Devi became politically active in the late -1930s, such Hindu
nationalist movements as the Hindu Mahasabha and the Rashtriya Swayamsevak
Sangh (RSS-National Volunteer Union) were growing rapidly in an urgent
response to Muslim ascendancy.

Both these movements had begun in the early 1920s against a background of
massive communalization of Indian political life. The collapse of the
Congress-Khilafat (Muslim) alliance after Gandhi's unilateral withdrawal of
the Non-Cooperation movement in 1922 was followed by a great wave of riots,
polarizing the Hindu and Muslim communities into conflicting camps. The same
period saw the first organization of the Dalits (Untouchables or Scheduled
Castes) as an anti-Brahmin movement in Maharashtra under Dr. B. R. Ambedkar.
The Arya Samaj, a Hindu reforming sect of the mid-nineteenth century,
championed the Aryans of the Vedic era, and the Hindu Sabha had already begun
to channel these ideas into proto-Hindu nationalism in the Punjab by 1910.
However, only with the launch in 1923 of the "Hindutva" idea by V. D.
Savarkar, also from Maharashtra, did this ideology crystallize into an ethnic
nationalism coupled with Brahminical authority. His idea inspired Dr. K. B.
Hedgewar, a fellow Maharashtrian, to found the RSS, a youth organization
intended to reinvigorate the nation through an awareness of India's glorious
past, Hindu piety, paramilitary training, arid sports.[1]

At this time Hinduism in India was also directly affected by the political
institutions of British rule. The principle of communal representation became
general in the award of 1932, which made provision for Muslim representation
in state legislatures by quotas based on the numbers of each religious group
in the population. The new Hindu political organizations sought to address
this problem of declining Hindu influence by seeking conversions among
non-Hindus and the return to the fold of former apostates through Hindu
Missions. After her arrival in 1932, Savitri Devi had sought such a Hindu
agency in South India, notably without success due to the greater integration
of Islam in this region. The situation was altogether different in Bengal,
where the political balance was more acute. In early 1937 she presented
herself to Srimat Swami Satyananda, the president of the Hindu Mission in
Calcutta, and asked if she might offer her services to the Mission.

When Satyananda asked about her own religious beliefs, Savitri Devi declared
she was an Aryan pagan and regretted the conversion of Europe to
Christianity. She wanted to prevent the sole remaining country honoring Aryan
gods from falling under the spiritual influence of the Jews. She also added
that she was a devotee of Adolf Hitler, who was leading the only movement in
this Aryan pagan spirit against the Judaeo-Christian civilization of the
West. Satyananda was impressed by the young Greek woman with intense eyes and
an outspoken manner. The Hindu Mission could certainly use such an ardent and
educated fighter fluent in both Bengali and Hindi. In fact, Satyananda shared
many Hindus' admiration for Hitler on account of his Aryan mythology and use
of the swastika, the traditional sign of fortune and health. He told her that
he considered Hitler an incarnation of Vishnu, an expression of the force
preserving cosmic order. In his eyes the disciples of Hitler were the Hindus'
spiritual brothers. With this meeting of minds, Satyananda engaged Savitri
Devi as a Hindu Mission lecturer. Her duties involved speaking at the Mission
headquarters in Calcutta and also traveling to give lectures throughout
Bengal and the neighboring states of Bihar and Assam.[2]

By the late 1930s Savitri Devi was living in the "Ganesh Mansion" at 220
Lower Circular Road, a major thoroughfare 

Re: [CTRL] [weird] OT: court bans curriculum in NY schools (fwd)

1999-07-06 Thread nessie

 -Caveat Lector-

The plaintiff parents particularly objected to the fact that the tape,
which they characterized as "nature
worship and guided imagery," was played in science classes.


I wonder how many parents offended by  this sort thing are equally
offended by the equally offensive posting of the ten commandments in the
classroom.

If religion belong in the classroom, ALL religions belong in the
classroom. If religion does not beling in the classroom, NO religions
belong in the classroom.

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[CTRL] [4] Hitler's Priestess Ñ Savitri Devi, The Hindu-Aryan Myth, and Neo-Nazism

1999-07-06 Thread Kris Millegan

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An excerpt from:
Hitler's Priestess — Savitri Devi, The Hindu-Aryan Myth, and Neo-Nazism
Nicholas Goodricke-Clarke©1998
New York University Press
www.nyupress.nyu.edu
ISBN 0-8147-3110-4
-
Another fine one from, Mr. Goodricke-Clarke.  Highly Recommended
Om
K
-
10

THE ODESSA CONNECTION

The complete and utter defeat of the Third Reich, the exposure of its crimes
and atrocities, and the accompanying programs of denazification and
reeducation of the German people combined to vilify Adolf Hitler and National
Socialism throughout the Western world. After 1945, Savitri Devi had
exchanged her former isolation in India for the marginal role of a die-hard
Nazi agent in occupied Germany and elsewhere in Europe. In the late 1940s and
early 1950s she was an obscure figure inhabiting a twilight world of
bewildered Nazis filled with bitterness, revanchist ideas, and wild hopes of
Hitler's return. We have seen her distributing leaflets amid the ruined
cities of the fallen Reich, meeting secretly with small conventicles of
unrepentant Nazis, and offering comfort to fellow prisoners at Werl, war
criminals' widows, and other devotees of the defeated idol. The quixotic and
sectarian nature of her postwar activity is highlighted further by her
pilgrimage to Austria and Germany in 1953. Throughout this tour she regularly
invoked the gods and performed solitary rituals at such places as the
Nuremberg rally grounds and the Externsteine in a passionate if desperate
attempt to reverse the Allied defeat and urge the resurrection of an Aryan
Germany.

This situation of isolation and helplessness was soon to change. Through her
reckless and outspoken advocacy of Hitler's cause, she was becoming known in
clandestine Nazi circles. She had undertaken her one-woman propaganda crusade
in the British zone of occupied Germany without the involvement or knowledge
of any Nazi support organization, much to the frustration of several
interrogators following her arrest. But the story of her mission and
imprisonment soon spread among the inmates of Werl prison and she became a
trusted comrade of these and other detainees following their release from
Allied prisons. Many of these new friendships offered her an introduction
into the political organizations dedicated to a nurturing and revival of
Nazism. Above all, this network of Nazi organizations was itself growing and
becoming more securely established at the time of her release from Werl.

Once denazification had been sacrificed to the Allies' fresh interest in
wooing the Germans for the Cold War against the Soviet Union, new political
parties began to spring up in Germany that owed much of their inspiration to
National Socialism. One of the earliest was the Sozialistische Reichspartei
(SRP) founded in October 1949 and led by Otto Ernst Remer, who had been
promoted to general following his role in foiling the bomb plot of
disaffected high military and aristocrats against Hitler on 20 July 1944. In
the May 1951 Land elections the SRP polled 11 percent of the vote and won
sixteen seats in the Lower Saxony diet. The Nazi affiliation of the SRP was
manifest in Remer's trenchant attacks on the Americans, whom he accused of
constructing fake gas chambers at Dachau to discredit the Germans, and on the
Adenauer government together with the "criminals of the 20 July." Such overt
Nazi political activity was deemed illegal under the Basic Law of the newly
founded German Federal Republic and Remer was sentenced to three months'
imprisonment. The Karlsruhe supreme court declared the SRP unconstitutional
in July 1952 and the party was banned. Meanwhile Adenauer's Christian
Democratic Union (CDU) and other parties scrambled to pick up the 367,000
votes of the outlawed SRP, and the CDU succeeded in boosting its share of the
vote in Lower Saxony from 17 to 33 percent. However, considerable numbers of
SRP voters and supporters were not long in expressing their nostalgic Nazism
through a successor party, whose activities were in the ascendant by the time
Savitri Devi returned to Germany in April 1953.

The Deutsche Reichspartei (DRP) traced its origins to a merger of two small
far-right parties first launched in the aftermath of defeat in November 1945.
After 1952 the DRP was the most influential electoral force on the extreme
right with some sixteen thousand paid-up members, a few seats in the Land
diets, and about half a million votes across the country in federal
elections. Led by Adolf von Thadden, the DRP boasted such former celebrities
of the Third Reich as Werner Naumann, a former Nazi secretary of state and
Hitler's choice to succeed Goebbels;

SS General Wilhelm Meinberg; a number of Wehrmacht generals; and the
Luftwaffe ace Hans-Ulrich Rudel. However, the DRP was only the most prominent
of the neo-Nazi organizations that flourished in Germany during the 1950s.
According to the Ministry of Interior's annual report on neo-Nazism, there
were at least a hundred parties, leagues, 

Re: [CTRL] What is truth?

1999-07-06 Thread Ric Carter

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- Original Message -
From: nurev [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  John Lee wrote:
 
  Sacramento synagogues torched in 'night of fire'

 How long are you people going to " chat " with this nazi prick?

Until his alien implants misfire painfully and he goes away.

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Re: [CTRL] Djinns

1999-07-06 Thread Ric Carter

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- Original Message -
From: Prudence L. Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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   Why is it that the people in the subcontinent mostly encounter
 jinns, the presence of which is verified in the Holy Quran, 

 The djinns are an entirely different matter.  They don't come from
 another world.  They live here all the time.  Prudy

Republicans and Reptilioids have been here a long time too, but
Afghanis rarely report seeing any.  The areal distribution is
quite distinct.  BTW yesterday was the 143rd anniversary of the
founding of the Republican Party, in Wisconsin. Old conspiracy.

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[CTRL] Fw: How to be a professional UFO-proponent in just a few EZ to follow Steps!!

1999-07-06 Thread ric carter

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note: The following applies to political conspiratorialists too. --Ric

On Sun, 04 Jul 1999 23:28:16 GMT, in alt.paranet.ufo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(The_Sage) wrote:

How to be a Newsgroup UFO proponent in a few EZ Steps!!

For years, many concerned believers have wanted to be let in on the
secrets on how to be a successful Newsgroup UFO proponent and thank
God their prayers have finally been answered! Now anyone can become a
member of the world's largest cult without spending a dime! All it
requires is that you read this post with an open mind -- but remember
to read every other post other than this one with a closed mind!! So
without further delay, here is the first lesson. The first thing you
need to know is how to speak the language of UFOlogists:

WHAT THE UFOLOGIST SAYS.WHAT THE UFOLOGIST MEANS

"This poorly taken ."I'm clueless"
photo is proof that
UFOs exist"

"There are millions of ."I have no witnesses"
UFO witnesses, they are
just too afraid to come
forward for fear of
ridicule"

"The alien implants."I have no facts"
were here a moment
ago!"

"I can't prove that."I still have no facts"
alien abductions
happen, but neither
can you prove that
they don't happen"

"The government is ."You'll think I have
conspiring to withold   facts, but I won't"
the truth from us"

Easy, isn't it? But wait! There's more! To misquote Ayn Rand, "UFO
skeptics have a weapon against you called Reason. So you must be very
sure to take it away from them. Cut the props from under it. But be
careful. Don't deny outright. Never deny anything outright, you give
your hand away. Don't say that reason is evil -- though some have gone
that far and with astonishing success. Just say that reason is
limited. That there's something above it. What? You don't have to be
too clear about it either. The field's inexhaustible: 'Remote Viewing'
-- 'ESP' -- 'Feeling' -- 'Revelation' -- 'Divine Intuition'. But even
if you get caught at some crucial point and somebody tells you that
your alleged UFO experience doesn't make sense -- you're ready for
them. You tell them that there's something above sense. That here he
must not try to think, he must *feel*. He must *believe*. Suspend
reason and you play it deuces wild...Can we rule a thinking skeptic?
We UFOlogists don't want any thinking people."

"But how do I post on a newsgroup?" you may be asking. Well I've got
the answer to that too:

#1) Always post the same 'ol story -- It's true, UFO proponents always
post the same ol' story over and over again, acting as if they
repeat it enough times, someone somewhere will eventually believe
it is true just from hypnotic repetition -- and they are right!

#2) Ignore all credible posts. We are here to fool the public.

#3) Spam. The more you talk the more somebody is bound to listen
eventually.

#4) IMPORTANT: As often as possible UFO proponents, the following
sentence must be used as frequently as possible, usually on a
daily basis: "You are the delusional one, not me!". A variation of
this approach is the ever famous, "I know you are but what am I?".

#5) When discussing alien abductions, the word "confabulation" should
be ignored at all costs.

#6) Whatever you do, proponents, never discuss the facts. Those are
items we do not want to discuss. We just want to discuss
unvalidatable experiences and unconfirmed testamonials, just like
the kind you see on the front cover of those grocery store
tabloids!

#7) If you have to respond to a request for a fact or two, then make
something up. Remember that the ETs are such an ultra-advanced
species that anything is possible for the ETs -- trust me!

#8) Don't tell the public anything except what you want them to hear.
Pretend we know what we are talking about and that we have told
the public everything. The bigger the lie the better the lie. If
anyone suggests that the National Reconnaissance Office or NASA or
the CIA or the National Security Agency is NOT hiding information,
pretend you have "insider information" on all of them, that
supercedes anything they could ever possibly come up with!!!

#9) Attack the person - try and change the topic from the request for
facts to the person requesting the facts. Remember that it is THEY
who are the close-minded ones, not us, so make sure you emphasize
this point!

#10) Last but not least; pretend you are the only one who knows what
is "really" going on.

As an addendum, discredit the late Carl Sagan all you can while you
are at it, especially now that he can't defend himself! Remember that
Carl Sagan is delusional, a liar, is a puppet for the CIA, loves fried
peanut butter and bananna sandwiches, etc.

Keep this in mind: Members of the Intelligence Agencies could care
less about whatever drivel...uh, I mean facts...you have to 

[CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #1

1999-07-06 Thread ric carter

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: Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
: Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning.
: No psychiatrists were assassinated during the production of this bulletin.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Hidden dimensions may permit parallel universes, explain cosmic mysteries.
  Imagine a mansion with a secret room - the perfect setting for a mystery.
  Now imagine that the room is vastly bigger than the mansion itself - and
  contains more mansions. That would make the mystery pretty bizarre.  But
  it's very much like a story scientists tell about the universe. In what
  sounds like an episode of The Twilight Zone, physicists have realized that
  nature may be concealing extra dimensions - not of sight or sound, but of
  space itself. http://www.dallasnews.com:80/science/0705sci1branes.htm

: Are hidden dimensions useful places to stash your dope? If you hide any-
thing there, will you ever see it again? Are concealed dimensions findable?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ The best damn Paranormal Science FAQ you'll ever read!!! If you search all
  links on the Internet regarding paranormal science, you will note that all
  anyone has to offer about paranormal phenomena are explanations. One mech-
  anically repeatable experiment is worth 10,000 good-sounding explanations.
  http://x46.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=497228504CONTEXT=931206524.1269235850

: Do you have any good-sounding explanations? Does anyone believe you? Do
you believe yourself? Are you normal, paranormal, abnormal, subnormal, fat?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# CUSTOM-MADE BODY PARTS. Researchers are using MRI and CT scan images
  and industrial manufacturing techniques to create new plastic models
  that can help doctors better diagnose disease and injury. Scan me in:
  http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/member/technology/story/20570.html

# Also: Patching Up the Player:
  http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/17288.html
# Knee Deep in High-Tech Help:
  http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/17236.html
# Hacking the Human CPU:
  http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/9409.html
# Voxels Let Doctors Get Beneath the Surface:
  http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/1086.html

: What body parts would you like replicated? Will anyone buy a plastic model
of you? Are you worth replicating? Have aliens already taken casts of you?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# WANT TO LIVE TO 100? 'DON'T DIE'. A new study of centenarians has revealed
  some of the qualities that may have contributed to their longevity. Along
  with a genetic predisposition, they had a good sense of humor and handled
  stress well. Moderation and a positive attitude are important for good
  health - and also, it seems, for a long life. And don't do really stupid
  stuff: http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=11640

: Are we all immortal until we die? Will you die? Anytime soon? Will you be
trans-human soon? Are conspiratorialists too stressed to survive? Is stress
an evolutionary tool to weed-out the humorless  others undeserving of life?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Bonanza of ice-age artifacts redefine America's pre-history.  ALLENDALE,
  S.C. (CNN) -- A virtual gold mine of ice-age artifacts recently found on
  the banks of the Savannah River in South Carolina is forcing archeolo-
  ists to revise theories for how and when humans first migrated to North
  America. http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9907/02/t_t/old.south.dig/

: Did we humans migrate to Carolina on our own, or were we planted here by
deities, aliens, robots, fate? Did we arrive on foot, by boat, train, UFO?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Getting DIRT on the Bad Guys.  To ex-dick Frank Jones, "secure network" is
  an oxymoron.  The word "delete" isn't in his vocabulary.  Password-protect
  your computer and you'll make his day. And if you really get on Jones' bad
  side, he'll take complete control of your PC - and your first clue will be
  when you open your door and the boys in overcoats start flashing badges at
  you. http://www.pcworld.com/shared/printable_articles/0,1440,11614,00.html

: Are They out to get you? Have your net.crimes been discovered? Do you have
immunity? Will the voices in your head lead you to safety? Will you confess?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

$ DETECTIVE'S HELPER. 100's of links. Use the web to reverse trace an email
  address, get an address from a phone number, check someone's military rec-
  ord, surf the net anonymously, protect your own personal information, and
  find everyone else's information.  The vast majority of these links are
  free.  The rest aren't.  http://www.webfellows.com/tufop/detective.html

: Do you prefer information or disinformation? How well can you hide? What
do you have to hide? Are They out to get you? Are you out to get Them? How?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ TELEPATHIC ALIENS AND JOE. Is Joe 'X' being driven 

Re: [CTRL] How Christianity Harms the Race

1999-07-06 Thread nessie

 -Caveat Lector-

Misfiring alien implant, eh?  bzzt  Damn implants...  bzzt


I just performed a simple experiment that perhaps you dog owners out there
might care to duplicate.

I just called my dog "Zog," and he responded! Then I called him "Gog" and
he repsonded. It gets worse. I then tried calling him "Gog Magaog," and he
repsonded to that, too! Now he's sitting here staring at me in a most
peculiar fashion. I'm thinking of having him X-rayed for implants. That's
a paranoid thought if ever there was one. I'm not paranoid; why would I be
thinking paranoid thoughts? Maybe they are being beamed  into my brain.
But by whom!?! Maybe I'm under observation. Maybe we're ALL under
observation.

Hmmmn. Maybe I should go for a walk and think this over. I'd better
take the dog with me. I can't leave him alone here with my computer
because he might be a spy. Wow. That's an even MORE paranoid thought than
thinking he might have implants. Where ARE these thoughts coming from?

Now I HAVE to go for a walk to think this over. But he's coming with me
whether he wants to or not. See, there, I've outsmarted him. Ha, ha, ha,
ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

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Re: [CTRL] How Christianity Harms the Race

1999-07-06 Thread Kris Millegan

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ROFLMAO

Om
K

In a message dated 7/6/99 9:44:05 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I just performed a simple experiment that perhaps you dog owners out there
might care to duplicate.

I just called my dog "Zog," and he responded! Then I called him "Gog" and
he repsonded. It gets worse. I then tried calling him "Gog Magaog," and he
repsonded to that, too! Now he's sitting here staring at me in a most
peculiar fashion. I'm thinking of having him X-rayed for implants. That's
a paranoid thought if ever there was one. I'm not paranoid; why would I be
thinking paranoid thoughts? Maybe they are being beamed  into my brain.
But by whom!?! Maybe I'm under observation. Maybe we're ALL under
observation.

Hmmmn. Maybe I should go for a walk and think this over. I'd better
take the dog with me. I can't leave him alone here with my computer
because he might be a spy. Wow. That's an even MORE paranoid thought than
thinking he might have implants. Where ARE these thoughts coming from?

Now I HAVE to go for a walk to think this over. But he's coming with me
whether he wants to or not. See, there, I've outsmarted him. Ha, ha, ha,
ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

DECLARATION  DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing!  These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds is used politically  by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

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[CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #2

1999-07-06 Thread ric carter

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# Suspect in shooting spree kills self, see
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560194809-a35
# Also: Thumbnails of shooting victims, see
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560191934-4e7
# Also: Reconstructing the shooting spree, see
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560192576-afd
# And: Shooting suspect's church criticized, see
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560193097-bc3

# Motive sought in shooting spree, see
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560194464-371
# Also: Victim says gunman had 'predator' look, see
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560184791-19c
# Also: Alleged gunman had racist bent, see
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560187444-367
# Also: Israel shocked by Chicago shooting, see
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560178506-a15
# And: Gunman linked to anti-minority group, see
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560184788-a1b

: Does your belief system promote murder? Would you mind being killed your-
self? If you're a Caucasian, should you go back to Caucasia? Soon, I hope?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Supremacist group's Web site closed. (AP) The official Web site of a white
  supremacist group linked to the weekend Midwest shootings has closed, but
  an associated site declares the attacks weren't hate crimes. The World
  Church of the Creator's Web site was accessible after Benjamin Nathaniel
  Smith committed suicide and included discussions of the drive-by shootings
  which left 2 dead and 8 wounded. Later attempts to access the site were
  met with a note that simply said, "Forbidden. You don't have permission to
  access on this server." An affiliated Web site that itself hosts Internet
  links to Church of the Creator sites from around the world has a message
  that sought to defend "White Racialism" "in light of what is going on in
  the news." http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560191952-bf7

: Do you promote racialism, murder, mayhem, because of deeply-held beliefs,
or for fun, profit, madness, alien implants, CIA mind-control rays, disease?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Study: Internet feeds delusions. TAMPA, Fla. (AP)  The Internet appears to
  have infiltrated yet another aspect of modern life - the delusions of the
  actively psychotic. Researchers cited evidence that fears of the Internet
  are replacing Communists, the CIA and the controlling power of radio waves
  as a frequent delusion of new psychiatric patients. Every case of Internet
  delusion documented by the researchers involved people who actually had
  little experience with computers. Clueless newbies run amok - see
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560188540-cf2

: Does the Net control your mind? Does your mind control the Net? Is synergy
at work? Does everything partially control everything else, while nothing/
nobody controls everything completely, successfully? Are you totally out of
control? Are we all un-indicted co-conspirators? Does the Web enmesh you???
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ ELECTRONIC MIND WEAPONS - ABUSE PREVENTION. The first step toward preven-
  tion of illegal mind manipulation with these electronic weapons is to make
  their existence public knowledge and to document misuse wherever it occurs
  so that the public can be on guard for perpetrators and symptoms of abuse.
  Establishing the existence of the technology is step number one. Unfortu-
  nately, it is difficult to separate the wheat from the chaff, fact from
  fraud. This is one factor making the exposure of the conspiracy so diffi-
  cult, making it so easy for conspirators to succeed with their deceptions.
  http://x45.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=489253212.6CONTEXT=931283438.645202035

: Do you use electronic mind weapons for illegal manipulation? Are they fun?
Whose minds are you controlling right now? Mine too? Why am I thinking this?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

SkeptiLinks:

# Branch Davidian suit will continue - charges US gov't responsible:
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560160509-46a
# Confederate heritage group rejects Ku Klux Klan support:
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560194644-e6b
# Pres. Clinton authorized CIA to overthrow Yugoslav Pres. Milosevic:
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560185356-c37
# "Father of H-bomb" pans nuke lab spy probes - Congress blabs more:
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560184718-154

@ The Sage's 10 Facts in Respect to Alien Abductions:
  http://x39.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=497193868CONTEXT=931207465.1060241415
@ How to be 

[CTRL] Fw: Fw: [CTRL] ime: Clinton Approves CIA Role

1999-07-06 Thread Linda Minor


-Original Message-
From: Brian Lantz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Linda Minor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: [CTRL] ime: Clinton Approves CIA Role


At 05:26 PM 07/05/1999 -0500, you wrote on Clinton's CIA role. Attached is
a recent compendium of developments - "slugs" mostly - on key developments

-Brian




Briefing - July 6, 1999
(Compiled from July 1-6, 1999)

Lead:
   THE OLIGARCHY SACRIFICES ITS OWN

 Look at the extraordinary treatment that Henry Kissinger
received last week in -- of all places, London -- where is it
reported that he walked out of one rather hostile interview in a
rage, and he was reduced to laughing and spitting in the face of
another interviewer. Among the questions posed to Henry -- who
is being likened to a war criminal -- was whether he felt like a
fraud.
 That this would happen to Kissinger, in London, is but one
reflection of the turmoil now raging in the oligarchy; one
section of the oligarchy recognizes that the global financial
system is blowing up, and, realizing this, they are willing to
sacrifice some from their own ranks, in order that they can
continue to rule. They will slaughter their own.
 They know their system is blowing up; even to the extent
that they publicly announced this in the pages of {Daily
Telegraph} last week, which warned that the phase of low
inflation is ending, and that very rapidly, as the bubble bursts,
the system can shift into the phase of hyperinflation.
 This is a period of coups, destabilizations, and
dictatorships.  The question is thus posed: unless the world goes
LaRouche's way, it goes the way of coup d'etat and dictatorship.
That is the trajectory of the world financial system, which
determines how it will behave. Either that system is overthrown
and replaced, or it hurls the world into a New Dark Age.
 Exemplary of the current state of mind of the oligarchy, is
the way they ran the Balkans war, and the way they are now
determined to sabotage the peace. Look at the op-ed by former
German Defense Minister Lothar Ruehl last Friday in the {FAZ},
entitled "A Half Victory," in which he pointed out the failure of
the air war against Yugoslavia to inflict anywhere near the
amount of damage which was being claimed. Ruehl described a
situation of total incompetence by NATO -- in which one can only
conclude that the lunatics are in charge. These are the
"Sorcerer's Apprentices" playing out their role.
 What then was the aim of NATO's war? What did NATO do? The
only bombing that was "effective" was that which targetted the
civilian infrastructure of Yugoslavia. The objective was to
destroy the infrastructure of the Balkans region, spread
destruction and chaos into Russia and Central Asia, and into
Western Europe as well. The aim is to bring down the European
economy.
 What the oligarchy is carrying out, is a Dark Age strategy.
That is their intent. This is a Guelph-League strategy. They want
a planetary dark age, they want to eliminate the nation-state,
and to eliminate what they regard in their evil minds as
"over-population."
 Look at how much money was spent to conduct the war, but
now, they won't spend anything to shape the outcome of the war,
and to guarantee a stable peace. Billions for war, but not a
penny for peace! The oligarchy wants to destroy -- it doesn't
want to build.
 And don't believe any of the b.s. about "democracy," that if
Yugoslavia "democratizes," then it will get reconstruction money.
The people claiming this, are the same people that are working to
keep Milosevic in power!
 And, speaking of Henry Kissinger, that brings us to the case
of Susan Rice, the U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for African
Affairs, who recently gave a confession reminiscent of
Kissinger's 1982 Chatham House address, the one in which he
divulged his own British pedigree.
 Speaking at Rhodes House at Oxford University on May 13,
Susan Rice gushed that coming back there, after nine years, was
like coming home.  Nine years ago, she recalled, she spent much
of her time in the library at Rhodes House, and she went on to
reveal that "much of what I know about Africa was discovered
within these walls, refined at this great university, with the
generous support of the Rhodes Trust."
 Contrast this with the speech given by Zimbabwe's President
Robert Mugabe -- who, in effect, told the IMF to shove it. Mugabe
attacked the conditionalities of the IMF, which he called "this
creature," and he said that Zimbabweans are a proud people. "We
will strive to go our own way," Mugabe declared. "The IMF can go
away if they want."
 By the way, we have heard from high-level Japanese sources,
that the Japanese financial balloon will stabilize only when it
reaches a geo-stationary orbit.
 So, the system is coming down. The only issue is, does it
collapse of its own accord, dragging the world into a new Dark
Age of disease 

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Black Ops? - 1/2

1999-07-06 Thread Bill Kingsbury

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At 12:48 PM 7-6-1999 EDT, Kris posted:
snip
From: "Steven Wallace, Sr." [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ivan Shapiro)
Date:  7/1/99 8:38:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Subj:  Fwd: EVACUATIONS UNDERWAY

THIRTY MILITARY FAMILIES SUDDENLY LEAVE THE U.S.

 Col. Jim Ammerman is the military chaplin that has been exposing
 what is going on in the military concerning the plans of the
 one world conspiracy.  In a recent interview on short wave radio
 with Chris Gerner, Col. Ammerman reveals that some of his air force
 friends have sold their homes and their cars and have suddenly
 moved their families out of the 48 states.

 They could not reveal exactly out what they were told, but they
 did say that they saw orders or plans that something was going
 to happen in America, and when it did there could be a 50% death
 rate nationwide. They decided to leave the country


 Re: Col. Jim Ammerman, "military chaplin"
 ---
 - British Intelligence ?
 - Tavistock MK Special Ops ?


 British Subversion of the United States:
 Who is wagging your neighbor's tongue?

 The militias and Pentecostalism
 
 by Anton Chaitkin
 http://www.larouchepub.com/ahc.html

 The author requests all questions, comments or further
 intelligence leads be sent to Anton Chaitkin c/o
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 "The greatest threat from terrorism in the United States
 comes from people who are associated with a British Church
 of England-run Pentecostalist movement inside the United
 States. It is this apparatus which has structured the
 militias. Now, most people in the militia movement, or
 associated with it, have no part of the intentions of those
 who are behind it, particularly that section in the
 Episcopal Church, or Pat Robertson, who's part of this same
 movement, who are barking -- authentically barking --
 Pentecostalists, who, with their connections with the
 military, deeply embedded in the military, including the
 ... corps of chaplains in the U.S. military, are largely
 controlled, presently, by outright barking
 Pentecostalists... This is the ... main source of the
 internal threat of the potential for terrorism, and other
 kinds of treason inside the United States, today."

  -- Lyndon LaRouche, "EIR Talks," July 30, 1997.


 Two years after the bombing of the Oklahoma City Federal
 building, a stream of lies is pouring through British-run
 media sewers, preparing credulous populists to view
 terrorism, or even civil war, as inevitable.

 The grotesque joke is on the American populists. Their
 paramilitary militias, and Pentecostal sects, are creations
 of the very "Godless internationalists" they believe they
 are resisting. The British Empire high church apparatus
 seeks to reduce the American mind to that of a clown, a
 hypnotized "Christian" who babbles or barks like a dog; a
 "patriot" numbed by anti-government gossip and
 Armageddonism, so that he sees his own nation as his enemy.

 Will these Americans provide cover, and become patsies, for
 criminal outrages by professional terrorists? In hopes
 that, instead, they will get out of the game, and turn
 their righteous anger against their manipulators, we offer
 this report on how the game is rigged.

 This investigation began with a probe into the armed
 standoff between police and "Republic of Texas" members
 demanding the secession of Texas, in April 1997. This
 writer telephoned into the besieged compound and
 interviewed Richard Otto, alias "White Eagle," who said he
 was asking members of militias around the country to come
 to the site, armed for a shootout.

 I checked Otto's background, and then shared my findings
 informally with militia members and others who might have
 been drawn into the provocation. Otto, it turns out, had
 been trained and set into motion by an Air Force officer
 who toured the world practicing New Age pagan rituals, in
 consultation with senior British intelligence drug-rock-sex
 gurus such as Gregory Bateson. This unappetizing profile,
 subsequently spread around by wary militants themselves,
 helped to discredit and defeat the provocation.

 While Otto and his band surrendered on May 3, reports
 flooded into this news service of continuing, outrageous
 provocations. Among these was the bizarre case of an
 anti-government Texas demagogue with important military
 connections, one Jim Ammerman, whose incitements have been
 widely circulating among separatists and militia members.

 A Pentecostal clergyman and retired Army colonel, Ammerman
 now controls chaplains currently serving in the U.S. Armed
 Forces around the world, as well as within prisons, and
 even in the Federal Bureau of Investigation. He claims
 supernatural prophetic powers, preaches the imminent end of
 the world, denounces the U.S. government as illegal, and
 says the President has deserved execution. During the April
 siege, Ammerman "mediated" between the Texas 

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Black Ops? - 2/2

1999-07-06 Thread Bill Kingsbury

 -Caveat Lector-

 cont'd:

 It is necessary first to bring to light a myth known as
 British Israelism, which stands behind Pentecostalism. This
 is an evil piece of historical race gossip, spread into
 American religion, into the ranks of American populists,
 poisoning the minds of separatists and Armageddon
 terrorists.

 The British monarchy and its prime ministers and Foreign
 Office fabricated British Israelism in the nineteenth
 century, from earlier versions of the story. They claimed
 that Queen Victoria was descended from the Biblical King
 David, and was thus a descendant of the Davidic family tree
 that produced Jesus. They taught that the tribes of Israel
 wandered into northern Europe; that by this supposed
 genealogy, the British are the real Chosen People, and the
 British Empire is thus God's empire.

 The modern Jews, by this British account, are not the
 historical Hebrews of Old Testament Israel, but rather, the
 British are. But, says the British Israel myth, in a leap
 of logic, the Jews need to be put into Palestine, to
 fulfill prophecy, get slaughtered in a war with the
 Muslims, and bring about the End Times.

 To provide fuel for this mythology, the royal family asked
 the British Grand Lodge of Freemasonry to establish the
 Palestine Exploration Fund. In the 1870s, they dispatched
 soldier-archeologists to the Holy Land, to dig up supposed
 religious relics that might impress the cheap fancies of
 the beggarly masses.

 British Israelism designed its Jewish angle to be worked in
 many politically useful ways, along a spectrum from Nazi
 anti-Semitism to radical Zionism. The cynical character of
 this entire travesty may be seen, in the way the story was
 changed to suit imperial politics. During the 1870s,
 Germany broke from allegiance to British free trade
 doctrines. The London "prophets" then reconfigured ancient
 history. Suddenly, it wasn't Britain and Germany,
 collectively the Nordic Aryans, who were the wandering
 Chosen People, but only Britain. Modern Germans, it had
 been discovered, are the ancient Assyrians!

 In his book Religion and the Racist Right: The Origins of
 the Christian Identity Movement, author Michael Barkun
 presents a nagging paradox, which he never solves. He
 reports that British Israelism originates with the British
 military, the Anglican Church, the British upper classes,
 who are fanatical loyalists to the government, the British
 Empire. Yet, this mother has given birth to the Christian
 Identity Movement, whose racist paranoia and paramilitary
 anger are aimed against the government, the United States
 government. Barkun cannot puzzle out the mystery, how the
 same historical movement can both support the government,
 and oppose the government!


 The British Empire invents Pentecostalism

 According to Pentecostal lore, the movement began when a
 woman spoke in tongues in the church of Charles Fox Parham
 in Topeka, Kansas, in 1901. Reverend Parham spread the
 method until it blossomed in the famous Azusa Street, Los
 Angeles, revival of 1906; from there, disciples took it
 around the world.

 During the year preceeding the launch-time, Parham had
 caught fire with British Israelism. He had been
 indoctrinated into the Empire's mystery cult by emissaries
 of one Frank Sandford, who ran a cult center called Shiloh,
 near Durham, Maine. Parham made a pilgrimage and studied
 under Sandford at Shiloh, after which the two of them went
 on tour through Canada.

 Sandford had made the New England Toryism of his fancy
 Anglophile family relations into a career, travelling back
 and forth to England, working to inculcate Americans into
 the British Empire gospel.

 In those days, British Israelism was not shy. Its
 literature, such as The Anglo-American Alliance in
 Prophecy, or The Promise to the Fathers, published by Our
 Race Publishing Co., featured the masonic mummery of a
 pyramid topped by an all-seeing eyeball. The Egyptian
 pyramids allegedly contained coded secrets for
 understanding prophecy. The explicit message of the British
 Israel propaganda was, Americans should give up their
 mistaken Revolution, and reunite with their Anglo-Saxon
 racial brethren in the English fatherland. The movement's
 masonic Anglomania was proudly displayed. Parham's
 biography, written by his daughter, includes a photo of a
 mystery gavel, brought back from Palestine and donated by
 Parham to his masonic lodge.

 With British Israelism as his theory of man's cosmic
 destiny, Parham began teaching Americans how to die
 mentally, to speak in tongues, as a religious exercise,
 allegedly re-creating the descent of the Holy Ghost upon
 Christ's Apostles during the Jewish feast of Pentecost. He
 took this show on the road from Topeka, and in Houston,
 Texas, a black preacher named William J. Seymour, the son
 of a slave, became part of his audience. The catch was,
 that Parham, being a crazed racist, would not permit
 Seymour inside the lecture hall; he had to 

[CTRL] CIA/NATO + KLA - heroin dealing

1999-07-06 Thread Bill Kingsbury

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 from:  http://www.copvcia.com/KLA1.htm


 Kosovo Liberation Army and Albanian Sponsors
 Have Well Documented Roots in The Heroin Trade

 By Michael C. Ruppert

 The Drug Trade Is Entrenched in NATO Politics

 An exceptional record of respected media sources from the U.S. and
 Europe have documented that the Kosovo Liberation Army and their
 Albanian sponsors are heroin financed organized crime groups
 struggling to dominate the flow of middle eastern heroin into
 Europe and even the Eastern United States.

 The Christian Science Monitor reported on Oct. 20, 1994:
 "Disrupted by the Yugoslav conflict, drug trafficking across the
 Balkans is making a comeback as Albanian mafia barons carve out a
 new smuggling route to Western Europe, bypassing the peninsula's
 war zones, according to United Nations and other narcotics
 experts."  To document the increase in traffic through the Albanian
 Kosovar region The Monitor continued, "For example, just 14 pounds
 of hard drugs were seized by Hungarian police in 1990, but by
 August this year [1994] the figure had risen to 1,304 pounds."

 In describing the then evolving trade, which was coming to be
 dominated by Kosovar Albanians The Monitor added, "But European
 police chiefs fear the conduit will strengthen Kosovo Albanian drug
 syndicates -- some of the most powerful on the continent -- whose
 tentacles have stretched as far as the East coast of the United
 States...

 "From their base in Velki Trnovac in southern Serbia, dubbed the
 'Medellin of the Balkans,' Albanian mafia chiefs oversee their
 European drug operation and are suspected of masterminding the
 new Balkan route."


 Colombia in the Balkans

 The highly respected Jane's Intelligence Review from Great Britain
 went much deeper in predicting the coming crisis in a February 1,
 1995 article entitled The Balkan Medellin.  Three paragraphs from
 that article are so compelling we reprint them here in their
 entirety.

 "The Albanian-dominated region of western Macedonia accounts for a
 disproportionate share of Macedonia's (FYROM) shrinking GDP.  This
 situation has strengthened Albanophobic sentiments among the ethnic
 Macedonian majority, especially as a great deal of revenue is
 thought to derive from Albanian narco-terrorism as well as
 associated gun-running and cross-border smuggling to and from
 Albania, Bulgaria and the Kosovo province of Serbia.  Although its
 extent and forms remain in dispute, this rising Albanian economic
 power is helping to turn the Balkans into a hub of criminality.

 "Previously transported to Western Europe through former
 Yugoslavia, heroin from Turkey, the Transcaucus and points further
 east is now being increasingly routed to Italy via the Black Sea,
 Albania, Bulgaria and Macedonia.  This is a development that has
 strengthened the Albanian mafia which is now thought to control 70%
 of the illegal heroin market in Germany and Switzerland.  Closely
 allied to the powerful Sicilian mafia, the Albanian associates have
 also greatly benefited from the presence of large numbers of mainly
 Kosovar Albanians in a number of western European countries;
 Switzerland alone now has over 100,000 ethnic Albanian residents.
 As well as providing a perfect cover for Albanian criminals, this
 diaspora is also a useful source of income for racketeers...

 "If left unchecked, this growing Albanian narco-terrorism could
 lead to a Colombian syndrome in the Southern Balkans, or the
 emergence of a situation in which the Albanian mafia becomes
 powerful enough to control one or more states in the region.  In
 practical terms, this will involve either Albania or Macedonia, or
 both.  Politically, this is now being done by channeling growing
 foreign exchange (forex) profits from narco-terrorism into local
 governments and political parties.  In Albania, the ruling
 Democratic Party (DP) led by President Sali Berisha is now widely
 suspected of tacitly tolerating and even directly profiting from
 drug-trafficking for wider politico-economic reasons, namely the
 financing of secessionist political parties and other groupings
 in Kosovo and Macedonia."

 These four-year-old evaluations, along with an abundance of other
 evidence of Albanian-Kosovar mafia expansion paint a whole new
 picture of what is really happening in Kosovo.  Clearly Serbia is
 legitimately defending itself from an organized crime syndicate
 taking control of one of its provinces.

 How powerful is the Albanian mafia?  Well, as far back as 1985
 it was powerful enough to frighten New York U.S. attorney Rudy
 Giulliani who, according to a Wall Street Journal story dated
 September 9, was receiving special personal protection after
 prosecuting a heroin case in New York City connected to a ring
 of powerful Albanian traffickers.

 The Journal wrote, "But it is drug trafficking that has gained
 Albanian organized crime the most notoriety.  Some Albanians,
 according to federal Drug Enforcement Agency 

[CTRL] Humor from Children

1999-07-06 Thread Hilary A. Thomas

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An acquaintance of mine who is a physician told this story about
her then four-year-old daughter.  On the way to preschool, the doctor had
left her stethoscope on the car seat, and her little girl picked it up and
began playing with it.  Be still my heart, thought my friend, my
daughter wants to follow in my footsteps!  Then the child spoke into the
instrument: "Welcome to McDonald's.  May I take your order?"



A mother was preparing pancakes for her sons, Kevin,
5, and Ryan, 3. They began to argue over who would
get the first pancake.  Their mother saw the opportunity for a
moral lesson.  "If Jesus were sitting here, He would say,  "Let my
brother have the first pancake.  I can wait."
Kevin turned to his younger brother and said, "Ryan, you be
Jesus!"

==

A student was asked to list the 10 commandments in any order.
His answer:
3, 6, 1, 8, 4, 5, 9, 2, 10, 7.



A father was at the beach with his children when
the four-year-old son ran up to him, grabbed his hand, and
led him to the shore, where a seagull lay dead in
the sand.  "Daddy, what happened to him?" the
son asked.  "He died and went to heaven," the dad replied.
The boy thought a moment and then said,
"Did God throw him back down?"

===

After the church service a little boy told the pastor,
"When I grow up, I'm going to give you some money."
Well, Because my daddy says you're one of the poorest
preachers we've ever had."



A wife invited some people to dinner.  At the table,
she turned to their six-year-old daughter and said,
"Would you like to say the blessing?" "
"I wouldn't know what to say," the girl replied.
"Just say what you hear mommy say," the wife answered.
The daughter bowed her head and said,
"Lord why on earth did I invite all  these people to dinner"

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[CTRL] bin Laden May Be Receiving Millions

1999-07-06 Thread Hilary A. Thomas

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JULY 06, 14:02 EDT
bin Laden May Be Receiving Millions
By SALAH NASRAWI
Associated Press Writer

CAIRO, Egypt (AP) — Saudi and Gulf businessmen have donated tens of
millions to help Osama bin Laden, the man hunted for masterminding the
bombing of U.S. embassies in Africa, to rebuild his campaign against the
United States, sources said Tuesday.

Donations from sympathetic businessmen — in the form of religious alms —
began to flow in faster after Washington offered a $5 million reward for
bin Laden's capture in January, said the sources, who spoke on condition of
anonymity.

The sources, who included Saudi businessmen, told The Associated Press in
Cairo that bin Laden may have received more than $50 million before Saudi
authorities uncovered the donations and stopped the transfers recently.

Saudi authorities questioned and rebuked several leading entrepreneurs over
donations, including the owner of one of the Gulf's largest advertising
firms, the sources said, refusing to give his name.

In an effort to further squeeze bin Laden, President Clinton ordered
financial sanctions Monday against the Taliban religious militia that rules
most of Afghanistan, where bin Laden has been based for the past four
years. The executive order freezes Taliban assets within U.S. jurisdiction
and bars trade with the group.

The United States accuses bin Laden of masterminding the deadly Aug. 7,
1998, bombings of its embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, which killed 224
people and injured thousands.

Last week, Washington warned that bin Laden may be preparing another attack
as the anniversary of the embassy bombings approaches. It briefly closed
six of its African embassies in late June.

Bin Laden — the son of a wealthy Saudi tycoon, now stripped of his
citizenship and shunned by his family — is believed to have received funds
from Gulf businessmen in the 1980s, when he fought alongside Mujahedeen
guerrillas against Soviet troops in Afghanistan.

But he is reportedly suffering from cash problems because of the recent
U.S. crackdown, which included the freezing of his accounts abroad. In
June, the FBI put bin Laden on its 10 Most Wanted list.

New contributions would most likely help bin Laden gather activists and
accelerate any plans for attacks against American targets.

The sources said most of the donations were given in the form of religious
alms that Muslims are required to give to the poor — but radical clerics
say alms can also be paid for promoting ``Islamic'' causes.

Many in Saudi Arabia and the Gulf see bin Laden as a larger-than-life icon
fighting the world's most powerful nation on behalf of Islam.

Bin Laden has denied any role in the attacks against Americans. However, in
an interview with an Arabic television last month, bin Laden expressed
admiration for the people who bombed American forces in Saudi Arabia in
1995 and 1996 and said that all Americans were legitimate targets.

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[CTRL] Suspicious Gas Found in Nebraska

1999-07-06 Thread Hilary A. Thomas

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JULY 06, 12:47 EDT
Suspicious Gas Found in Nebraska
By SCOTT BAUER
Associated Press Writer

HASTINGS, Neb. (AP) — Devices suspected to be poison gas bombs were found
in and around a man's apartment, prompting evacuation of his building and
nearby homes during night.

Police Chief Larry Thoren said authorities believed substances found at the
scene Monday were some highly toxic form of fluorine-based gas.

Six devices were taken to the Hastings landfill, doused with diesel fuel
and detonated early today.

The homemade devices ``had the potential of doing great harm,'' police Sgt.
Dan Losada said. Materials used in them could be obtained in any hardware
store, pharmacy or grocery store, he said.

Thoren said authorities called for an Army Ordnance Detonation team from
Fort Riley, Kan., to help investigate. The FBI also joined the
investigation.

Authorities arrested Jesse Spurgin, 26, of Hastings, on state charges of
suspicion of unlawful possession of explosive materials and possession of
explosive devices.
In addition, U.S. Attorney Tom Monaghan said his office would check for
possible violations of federal law.

Losada refused to comment on Spurgin's background or on any possible
motive.
A search of Spurgin's apartment turned up ``lots of chemicals,'' Losada
said, but he wouldn't elaborate.

About 200 people living within a block of the apartment were evacuated
Monday evening and power to the area was shut off. Residents of nearby
homes were allowed to return shortly after 7:30 a.m. today, but the State
Fire Marshals office today condemned the three-story apartment building for
faulty wiring and fire alarms.
The discovery was made after police in this town of 23,000 were called to
the apartment complex to settle a disturbance. Witnesses said officers
found a man who was waving a bottle he called a bomb and yelling that more
bombs were scattered around the area.

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Re: [CTRL] Kenneth Starr - The Clintons' Accomplice

1999-07-06 Thread Bill Kingsbury

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7-4-1999, [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted:

 Kenneth Starr - The Clintons' Accomplice
 Christopher Ruddy
 July 1, 1999


 From: "Mike Ruppert" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To:   "Bill Kingsbury" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999
 Subj: RE: Kenneth Starr - The Clintons' Accomplice


 Why doesn't somebody mention that Ken Starr and Bill Casey
 were good buddies?  Or that Bill Casey and Bill Clinton were
 working hand in glove to smuggle tons of cocaine into Mena?
 Or that Ken Starr helped to negotiate and possibly even wrote
 a 1982 memorandum allowing CIA not to report drug trafficking
 by its agents?  Or that Bill Clinton blackmailed the
 Republicans by holding CIA's own Volume II investigation over
 their heads?

 I have had all of this on my web site since January at
 www.copvcia.com .  And I published an exclusive on it in
 my newsletter - From The Wilderness.

 This story is only a partial truth:  great for what it says,
 to be honored and given credit for what it reveals, but to be
 improved upon with the full truth.  There is journalistic
 glory enough for everyone - as I'm sure there will be enough
 bullets when the time comes.

 Mike Ruppert





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[CTRL] Study: Internet Feeds Delusions

1999-07-06 Thread Hilary A. Thomas

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JULY 05, 12:23 EDT
Study: Internet Feeds Delusions

TAMPA, Fla. (AP) — The Internet appears to have infiltrated yet another
aspect of modern life — the delusions of the actively psychotic, a new
study shows.

University of South Florida researchers who published their findings in
last month's Southern Medical Journal, cited case studies as evidence that
fears of the Internet are replacing Communists, the CIA and the controlling
power of radio waves as a frequent delusion of new psychiatric patients.

Every case of Internet delusion documented by the researchers involved
people who actually had little experience with computers, said Dr. Glenn
Catalano, the USF psychiatrist who authored the report.

``That's not really surprising,'' said Catalano, 37. ``Things can seem
especially threatening when you don't know much about them.''

One of the cases cited by the USF doctors involved a 40-year-old man who
shot himself in the face in an unsuccessful suicide attempt.

He believed a friend had placed Internet bugs in his ears that could read
his mind and control his thoughts. He also believed someone had placed a
link between his Web page and his extremities. When certain keys were hit,
he said, his extremities would jump.

Catalano said he has seen several other cases of Internet-related delusions
in the last 18 months and believed an increasing number of new patients
will suffer from these fantasies. Given their frequency, he said, he was
surprised to discover that his report apparently is the first to document
the phenomenon.

``We're going to have to start asking different kinds of questions to
determine the source of patients' paranoia,'' he said. ``You can't just ask
if someone is following you.''

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Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Internet danger looming (fwd)]

1999-07-06 Thread Robert Tatman

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Bill Kingsbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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  From: Gary Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999
  Subj: L.A. Times column, 7/5/99

  Monday, July 5, 1999
  DIGITAL NATION

  Troubling Implications of Internet's Ubiquity

  By Gary Chapman
  Copyright 1999, The Los Angeles Times

  Early last month, institutions around the world were crippled
  for several days by a new computer virus called the
  ExploreZip Trojan horse.  A Trojan horse, in computer jargon,
  is a nasty software program that hides inside a file a user
  is likely to want to see or open.

etc.

This, and the earlier post about the DIRT Trojan Horse, point up a couple of
things about the Internet that we have to keep constantly reminding ourselves
of. First, espionage is a two- (or more) way street. Sure the Chinese and
everybody else are spying on us...but we're doing the same to them, and the
odds are we're doing a much more sophisticated job of it. As I've said before,
I strongly suspect that those supercomputers we sold recently to China are
bugged...every keystroke, every transaction, every blip of electronic activity
is recorded and transmitted to (probably) Fort Meade, where NSA analysts tear
it apart for even a nanogram of information about what the Chinese are doing.
There are no secrets today. Anyone who thinks there are is kidding himself.
This brings me to the second point: this is precisely why strong encryption is
vital for individual users of the Internet. A large enough key will be
virtually impossible for even a network of Crays to break in less than, oh,
ten thousand years. See Neal Stephenson's *Cryptonomicon* for an explanation
of this and a description of just how large a key would be needed. If making
effectively unbreakable encryption generally available means it gets into the
hands of criminals and spies, well, tough shit...national intelligence
services are virtually indistinguishable from organized crime today, anyway
(see if you can find a CIA-backed guerrilla movement in the past fifty years
that hasn't been involved in drug trafficking and you'll rapidly see what I
mean). Of course, there is another approach, a little more risky but just as
effective: don't use *any* encryption at all. Publish *everything*. This is
what I call the Sears Roebuck Catalog approach--a variant of the old Purloined
Letter: hide your secrets in the middle of the paperclips and toilet paper.
The "bad guys" will spend so much time and energy trying to decide what's
useful and what's not that they'll go bankrupt before they find anything that
will hurt you.

Bob

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[CTRL] The Joshua Report #28, An Unsuspecting Nation

1999-07-06 Thread M Shrum


--
Michael  the Outlawlady
The Joshua Files
http://members.spree.com/education/2302410/

This is just the first few pages of #28 the complete report can be found at
the Joshua Files website.


Vol I THE JOSHUA REPORT No. #28


"...a nation or world of people who will not use
their intelligence are...Beasts of Burden...and
Steaks on the table by CHOICE and CONSENT..."
- 'SILENT WEAPONS'

PART 4b of 5
INVESTIGATING the DEATH
of AMERICA: Was it MURDER?

[AN UNSUSPECTING NATION: Step #8
...on the PATH to DESTRUCTION]

McCarthy. A guy we love to HATE, right? Why, sure: he was that rabid "witch-
hunting" Senator who was found guilty of destroying so many 'innocent' lives 
[especially
in the Film industry]. Or WAS he? According to the other side, McCarthy was the VICTIM!
Well, who was right? Who WERE America's REAL enemies? Perhaps a close look at the
FACTS will help us to decide what IS the truth. Of course, that story is but a small
segment of the FABULOUS FIFTIES. Were they the BEST OF TIMES - or the WORST?
Let's take a look and see what history can tell us:

"All warfare is based on DECEPTION. Therefore, when capable, FEIGN
INCAPACITY...Offer the enemy a BAIT to lure him...PRETEND INFERIORITY and
ENCOURAGE HIS ARROGANCE...When he is united, DIVIDE HIM...To subdue the enemy
WITHOUT FIGHTING is the supreme skill..." [1] These words come from a favorite
guidebook of the Communists and the One-Worlders. Remember them as we move on
with another chapter of this American expose, keeping in mind at all times, that 
warfare
doesn't necessarily have to take place on a BATTLEFIELD - nor does it even need to be
DECLARED! So MANY unanswered questions. What IS the truth? Is it merely RELATIVE?
Perhaps this Report will give us some clues - but, be warned: it will be nothing like
'American History 101! OK. Seat-belts fastened? Engines warmed up? I know it's hard to
believe, but up til now, we've just been taxiing, while slow - ly picking up speed. 
Now, it's
time to pull back on the wheel. WATCH OUT! Expect plenty of TURBULENCE along the
way! Everybody ready? OK: LIFT OFF!!

"Every American knows about the AMERICAN COMMUNIST PARTY as an absolute
servant of Soviet Russia. What he does NOT know is that there is ANOTHER batch of
American Soviet agents who do not belong to the Communist Party - and who keep
carefully AWAY from it...In 1943 and 1944 - and later - there was a small set in 
Washington
known as the 'Silvermaster Group.' NATHAN GREGORY SILVERMASTER had been with
the Agricultural Department and became head of the Near East Division of the Board of
Economic Warfare. However, at some point, the FBI and the Intelligence Sections of both
War and Navy reported that he was a dangerous COMMUNIST. But he had powerful
friends. LAUCHLIN CURRIE, a Presidential assistant, and HARRY DEXTER WHITE,
Assistant to the Secretary of the Treasury and later Assistant Secretary, vouched for 
him.
He was permitted to resign quietly and return to his old job in Agriculture.

"This group consisted of seven people - in addition to Silvermaster - all holding
positions of high importance inside the government. One of them was HARRY DEXTER
WHITE, a member of the Treasury - HENRY MORGENTHAU [Secretary]...being a person of
very limited abilities and still less capacity for leadership. White was a timid man 
and had
to be handled by his Communist contacts with infinite delicacy. His access to the most
secret information was almost unlimited. He not only had at hand the SECRET SERVICE -
which is a Treasury agency - but could get the most secret documents from OTHER
government agencies. His secretary, SONIA GOLD, was a Communist - who was supplied
to him by the Silvermasters. There were many other such personages in Washington. [2]

"...What our educated Americans have not understood is that the RED
REVOLUTIONIST does not promote his cause with DEBATE and DISCUSSION. He knows
that ideas are planted in minds not by debates and discussions, but by certain
PROPAGANDA techniques. For one thing, neither Socialism nor Communism is to be
successfully sold under these labels. They must be given OTHER NAMES. Second, the
Communist product must be sold in PIECES - not in one big package. Third, the sales job
must be done by people WHO ARE NOT SUSPECT...people who DENY they are
Communists or socialists - and who sell their product in our SCHOOLS, our
CONSERVATIVE NEWSPAPERS...our MAGAZINES...our RADIOS and in our MOVING
PICTURES...And I repeat, it is not to be sold in one package. You buy one little idea
today, another little idea tomorrow. Someone else buys a third idea the next day, and 
so
on, until presently you will be perhaps so far on the way to communism that TURNING
BACK WILL BE MORE DIFFICULT THAN GOING FORWARD." [3]

The train of events which led us into Korea, actually had their origin in the
struggle in CHINA which began over 60 years ago: "Japan fought China by invading her
with an army, first in 1931 and again in 1937. Russia fought China with an 

Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] The Broeder Bond 3(a)]

1999-07-06 Thread Robert Tatman

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"Taylor, John (JH)" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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 From The Super Afrikaners-Ivor Wilkins and Hans Strydom 1978



 Only recommended for people interested in SA history or those in how secret
 power societies work.
 The broederbond was infiltrated and destroyed, but it shows the power that a
 well placed small group of people can have over an unsuspecting society.
 (remember that Smuts was also a member of a secret society-the round table-
 see Mr Quigleys works)

snipped for bandwidth
I read this book when it first came out 20 years ago. The Broederbond was
created to fight the British rulers of South Africa--rulers whose control over
the country was directed, as John Taylor states, by an equally secretive and
even more obscure secret society. I'm not sure who is really in control of
South Africa today, except that it almost certainly is NOT the ANC. With all
due respect to Nelson Mandela, who really did survive hoorendous conditions
when no one thought he would, the abandonment of the ANC's historic commitment
to socialism, together with the flight of the South African power elite from
the country, demonstrates clearly that the ANC did not "defeat" apartheid. The
striking rise in the perceived crime rate and governmental corruption show
that the country's new leaders are more interested in feathering their own
nests than they are in effecting a true revolutionary redistribution of wealth
and power to the masses. In short, South Africa has exchanged corrupt, venal,
and brutal white masters for corrupt, venal, and brutal black masters. I fear
that we have not seen the end of violent revolutionary conflict there...

Bob

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Re: [CTRL] How Christianity Harms the Race

1999-07-06 Thread Ric Carter

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From: nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Misfiring alien implant, eh?  bzzt  Damn implants...  bzzt

 I just called my dog "Zog," and he responded! Then I called him "Gog"
 and he repsonded. It gets worse. I then tried calling him "Gog Magaog,"
 and he repsonded to that, too! Now he's sitting here staring at me in a
 most peculiar fashion. I'm thinking of having him X-rayed for implants.
...
 See, there, I've outsmarted him. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

Here, have a nice Thorazine cocktail.  #8-)

Prestidigitation ["fast fingers"], sleight-of-hand, is the art of
focusing an audience's attention upon your seen hand, while your
unseen hand does something subtle.  Such misdirection, distraction,
is the life's blood of demagogues, conspirators, Nazis, Xians, all
those who want to bend us to their will.

Wave one hand - "Look here, see what those nasty Jews / Wiccans /
Socialists / Reptilioids are up to, kill them!!" - while the other
hand does... what?  Anti-Semitic claims are so patently bogus, the
same as Xian denunciations of Wiccans, reactionary rants against
perceived socialists, and all such conspiracy fodder, that we must
look very carefully at what is being concealed.  Examine sources
of such denunciations, examine their desires, determine who/what
is actually behind these fronts.  Who's behind the Nazis, the Xian
Identity and Xian Right movements, the equally fascist UFOlogists?

Consider the mollusks.  "Most mollusks are slow-moving shellfish
with filter-feeding lifestyles, but cephalopods - octopus, squid,
cuttlefish and nautilus - swim freely.  Octopus and squids have
given up their shells to become the most highly mobile inverte-
brates, with the largest nervous systems. The brain has eight
ganglia, arranged in a ring around the esophagus.  Small octopus
can learn to solve problems like how to open a container of food.
Giant squid, as large as whales and with large nervous systems,
are known to exist, but they live permanently at depths beyond
present human observation."  --Prof. Hans Moravec, MIND CHILDREN:
The Future of Robot and Human Intelligence [Harvard, 1988]

Giant squids are the most mobile creatures on our planet, with
the largest brains and most complex nervous systems of any known
animal.  They dominate the biosphere.  We humans know NOTHING of
their domain, their culture, their intentions - and they intend
to keep our ignorance total.  That's why they focus their vast
mental energies at the weak-minded among humans, fostering such
self-loathing and fear that manifests as: anti-Semitism, anti-
Socialism, anti-Pantheism, anti-Reptilioidism, misogyny, all
such hateful doctrines.  Whenever you hear a Nazi nattering,
remember: that's just a squid-stooge.

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Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Fwd: Black Ops? Hmmm ......]

1999-07-06 Thread Robert Tatman

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Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Col. Jim Ammerman is the military chaplin that has been exposing what is
going on in the military concerning the plans of the one world conspiracy. In
a recent interview on short wave radio with Chris Gerner, Col. Ammerman
reveals that some of his air force friends have sold their homes and their
cars and have suddenly moved their families out of the 48 states.

Ammerman is, ISTR, connected to the Foursquare Gospel Ministry, the
Pentecostal group that A-Albionic and others have connected to MI6... There
would seem to be more than one level of disinformation going on here.

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Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Fwd: Black Ops? Hmmm ......]

1999-07-06 Thread Ric Carter

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- Original Message -
From: Robert Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Col. Jim Ammerman is the military chaplin that has been exposing
  what is going on in the military concerning the plans of the one
  world conspiracy. In a recent interview on short wave radio with
  Chris Gerner, Col. Ammerman reveals that some of his air force
  friends have sold their homes and their cars and have suddenly
  moved their families out of the 48 states.

 Ammerman is, ISTR, connected to the Foursquare Gospel Ministry, the
 Pentecostal group that A-Albionic and others have connected to MI6...
 There would seem to be more than one level of disinformation going
 on here.

Foursquare Gospel?  Aimee Semple MacPherson's sect, that was a US
Nazi front group in the 40s?  Curiouser and curiouser...  BTW, the
best disinformation is ALWAYS multi-layered, and in fact consists
of NOTHING but layers, with no core.

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ric carter sent you this message and story from Wired News.



W I R E D   N E W S
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Publisher Must Lay Down the Law
 by Oscar S. Cisneros

While the press and the tech world concentrated on the Microsoft antitrust trial, a 
quieter legal battle was being waged for access to society's source code: the full 
text of the law.

The case involved West Publishing, a tremendously powerful legal-information vendor 
that claimed a copyright on law's written word as printed in its publications. For 
generations, the Minnesota-based company jealously guarded its role as the almost 
exclusive publisher of federal court opinions.

/P

On 1 June, West lost its claims when the US Supreme Court declined to hear its 
arguments that it owns the text of the law as compiled in its books. The development 
effectively put the law back in the public domain.

Armed with the latest technology, companies can now bring court opinions to the Web 
without fear of copyright-infringement suits from West. The upshot: easier and cheaper 
access to the law.

"Within five years, all this information will be available for free," said Carl 
Hartmann, an attorney who argued and won the case against West.

West, for its part, disagrees with the ruling.

"Nobody should be able to rip off our products," said West spokesman Patrick Sexton. 
"We took what's absolutely public and made it so that lawyers can find the information 
quickly."

If the courts won't allow West de facto ownership of American case law, the company 
may seek the succor of database legislation to achieve its ends.

For all practical purposes, West and its cozy competitor Lawyers preparing for trial 
must turn to the companies to cite previous court rulings to bolster their cases. Why? 
Because the page numbers of West's books have become the standard for legal citation 
and are required by almost all courts.

West didn't always have a reputation as a bully. In fact, at the turn of the century, 
many courts made the company their official court reporter based on its sterling 
reputation. The courts needed someone to take care of their paperwork headaches. As 
more courts turned to West, the page numbers in its publications became signposts to 
specific cases.

It proved a lucrative situation for West, whose court-sanctioned monopoly put the bulk 
of the printed law exclusively in its hands, Hartmann said. Its books even became a 
symbol of prestige at law firms: attorneys paneled their walls with the latest and 
most complete West collections.

By the mid-1980s, technological advances made it possible for online databases to 
search the law. What's more, West's huge revenue chummed the waters for would-be 
competitors.

One such competitor was Lexis-Nexis, a giant online publisher of academic and 
professional documents that tried to muscle into West's business.

West sued, but the companies settled out of court and, according to critics, 
practically split the market between them. The pair came to be known as "the Wexis 
Cartel" by frustrated lawyers.

With Lexis in the picture, Hartmann said legal researchers had two options: pay West a 
lot of money, or pay Lexis a lot of money.

"Every man, woman, and child basically pays a database tax to West or Lexis," said 
Hartmann.



Other companies tried to bring competition and lower prices to the legal-data market. 
But West threatened lawsuits, asserting it owned the copyright to the text of court 
opinions printed in its books, Hartmann said.

West also claimed a copyright on its page-numbering system, the standard way to index 
the law. Without access to its page-numbering system, rivals couldn't compete, he 
added.

Undeterred, HyperLaw, a publisher of inexpensive legal CD-ROMs, fought West for almost 
10 years, eventually winning a judgment in 1998 that declared West's copyright claims 
invalid.

West tried to appeal the ruling before the Supreme Court, but the court refused to 
hear the case.

In light of that development, nimble competitors, such as HyperLaw, VersusLaw, won the 
right to add West's page-numbering system to their databases.

"Overall, this will make access to legal information easier and cheaper for the 
average person," said Alan Sugarman, president and founder of HyperLaw. "If the lawyer 
has to pay for access to legal information, he's going to pass it on to his client."

West doesn't simply republish rulings and opinions, said Sexton, the company's 
spokesman. It employs dozens of expert legal editors who add enhancements, such as 
case summaries and cross-references to other cases. The editors also research specific 
points of law -- insurance fraud, for example -- and collate sometimes hundreds of 
relevant decisions to help lawyers build their cases.

These products can't be replicated with software or search engines, so "the financial 
impact of the ruling is insignificant" to West Publishing, Sexton said.

"We obviously don't have a copyright over the words 

[CTRL] You got mail from Wired News

1999-07-06 Thread ric carter

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ric carter sent you this message and story from Wired News.



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Bills Would Fence Off the Facts
 by Oscar S. Cisneros

A coalition of big money data vendors is pushing database protection bills through the 
US Congress that could fundamentally disrupt the basic functions of the Internet and 
radically alter how information can be shared.

There are two competing bills that would protect data compilers by prohibiting the 
duplication of their databases. Critics fear the more restrictive of the two, 
Collections of Information Antipiracy Act (HR354), would make criminals of companies 
that collect and aggregate data -- companies like Yahoo and Amazon.com.

 Also: Publisher Must Lay Down the Law



"The beauty of the Internet is that for the first time you have this huge engine for 
finding and aggregating information -- and HR 354 sort of throws a wrench in the 
works," said Jonathan Band, an attorney specializing in intellectual property at 
Morrison and Foerster.

The measure gives ownership of lists of facts -- like CD prices or best-seller lists 
-- to a company or an individual that collects them, Band said. Even collections of 
links to other sites could be claimed as intellectual property, barring their use by 
anybody without a licensing agreement.

A service like Best Book Buys, which canvasses the Web for book-price comparisons, 
could face criminal charges for using an unwilling company's price quotes, Band said.

Even Internet service providers and Web site hosts like GeoCities could face huge 
liabilities if their users pirate a database.

Until now, the Constitution has prohibited the copyrighting of facts. Critics charge 
that the bill would let anyone who claims to have compiled the facts actually own them.

"The basic notion is that you give the author a limited monopoly in his expression in 
exchange for his dedication of the facts and ideas contained in his work to the 
public," Band said. "This is the constitutional philosophy underlying intellectual 
property, and this bill tries to subvert that philosophy."


But database owners complain that protection for compilations -- which can be 
enormously costly to assemble -- is thin, thanks to a 1991 US Supreme Court "We have 
no law in the United States that protects databases," said Dan Duncan, a spokesman for 
the Software  Information Industry Association, a group of more than 1,400 software 
and content-data vendors. "We need a law to protect ourselves."

Not all database vendors want Draconian protection, however. Powerful organizations 
like Bloomberg, Harvard University, and Lycos (the parent company of Wired News) 
advocate a balanced approach to legislation and want just a bit more protection than 
what the Constitution currently affords.

"Databases are items of commerce in their own right and are critical tools for 
facilitating electronic commerce, research, and education endeavors," a group of 132 
signatories recently said in a They support a bill like Consumer and Investor Access 
to Information Act of 1999 (HR 1858), which would prevent the outright piracy of 
entire databases but would still allow the reuse of the underlying facts, provided 
they are used in new, innovative ways.

Experts are watching developments in Congress closely. The outcome could upset the 
careful balance struck by the Founding Fathers between the creator's need for an 
incentive and the ability of future minds to build on his ideas.



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[CTRL] ABCs of Foreign Policy

1999-07-06 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

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From Boston Globe


 Picture: Boston Globe Online: Print it!


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 America's double-edged sword

 By Globe Staff, 07/05/99



 Picturehe air campaign against the Serbs has been touted as a
 harbinger of things to come - waging war for human rights rather
 than to defend traditional national interests. Vaclav Havel of
 the Czech Republic said: ''This is probably the first war that
 has not been waged in the name of national interests but rather
 in the name of principles and values. Kosovo has no oil fields to
 be coveted [NATO] is fighting out of the concern for the fate
 of others.'' Britain's Prime Minister Tony Blair said: ''This is
 a just war, based not on any territorial ambitions but on
 values.''



 The two men spoke for Americans who believe that concern for
 national interest is unworthy. Many who decried the Gulf War,
 which involved both strategic interests and humanitarian
 concerns, hailed the Kosovo war for its moral purity.



 In the opposite corner is Henry Kissinger, the former secretary
 of state, who wrote in Newsweek: ''No issue is more in need of
 rethinking than the concept of humanitarian intervention put
 forward as the administration's contribution to a new approach to
 foreign policy. The air war in Kosovo is justified as
 establishing the principle that the international community - or
 at least NATO - will henceforth punish the transgressions of
 governments against their own people Moral principles are
 expressed in absolutes. But foreign policy must forever be
 concerned with reconciling ends and means. At every stage of the
 Kosovo tragedy, other mixes of diplomacy and force were
 available.'' The result, he writes, produced ''more refugees and
 casualties than any conceivable alternative'' and ''deserves to
 be questioned on both political and moral grounds.''



 In truth, all wars are justified on moral and humanitarian
 grounds to gain public support, and when it comes to national
 interests, much depends on how those interests are defined.



 In his most recent book, ''Years of Renewal,'' Kissinger writes:
 ''The United States, to be true to itself, has a duty to stand
 for human rights and democracy.'' But if we treat the behavior of
 countries that do not live up to American standards ''as
 resolvable only by the overthrow of the offending government - or
 by its public surrender to American pressures - we will turn
 every problem into a life or death struggle, actually inhibiting
 progress on human rights.'' These words were written before the
 Kosovo crisis, but it is now clear that Secretary of State
 Madeleine Albright's missteps at Rambouillet made a bad situation
 infinitely worse.



 Harvard's Joseph Nye, writing in Foreign Affairs, put the issue
 into perspective by arguing that ''Americans have rarely accepted
 pure Realpolitik as a guiding principle, and human rights and the
 alleviation of human disasters have long been important aspects
 of our foreign policy. But foreign policy involves trying to
 accomplish varied objectives in a complex and recalcitrant world.
 This entails trade-offs. A human rights policy is not itself a
 foreign policy; it is an important part of a foreign policy
 We should generally avoid the use of force except in cases where
 our humanitarian interests are reinforced by the existence of
 other strong national interests.''



 Former defense secretary William Perry and his deputy, Ashton
 Carter, divided national interests and security risks into three
 categories. The A list includes threats to national survival. On
 the B list are threats to American interests but not survival.
 Iraq and North Korea are included in this category. Civil wars in
 Kosovo or in Africa and Asia are C list problems - they do not
 present a threat to the economic or physical well-being of the
 American people but are nonetheless humanitarian tragedies.



 Nye notes that the C list has come to dominate foreign policy in
 the Clinton administration. He has a point. If the same
 determination shown in Kosovo were applied to getting weapons
 inspectors back into Iraq, the world would be a safer place than
 it is today.



 Nye suggests that one of the reasons that C problems get
 themselves on the A list is that there are no real threats to
 America's survival, as there were in the Cold War. In addition,
 human rights in the information age get media attention that can
 sway public opinion. This is undoubtedly true and has been for
 more than a century. In 1876, for example, the reporting of
 Januarius Aloysius MacGahan, an American writing for the London
 Daily News, is credited for stirring passions in the West and in
 Russia against Ottoman atrocities in the Balkans. By describing
 massacres and mass rapes, MacGahan influenced policy. Russia used
 his reports as an excuse to go to war against the 

Re: [CTRL] William Bill Cooper John Lear

1999-07-06 Thread Nicky Molloy

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Thanks Linda,

He reckons that the aliens in the Roswell crash were shaved monkeys and it
was all a big con. I've read the stuff on his website and he sure has a lot
to say about everything. He has a lot of enemies. Will try to get some more
info and post it.

Nicky


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From: Linda Minor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wednesday, 7 July 1999 2:04
Subject: Re: [CTRL] William "Bill" Cooper  John Lear


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Bill Cooper was a member of this list over a year ago and antagonized
virtually everyone with name-calling and refusal to answer questions about
his organization, called Harvest Trust.  He was giving out information about
federal income taxes that I was afraid would get people into legal trouble,
but he refused to take responsibility for the disinformation.  I found him
to be arrogant and abusive, and for that reason found no credibility in
anything else he had to say.

Linda

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[CTRL] [11] Other Altars

1999-07-06 Thread Kris Millegan

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an excerpt from:
Other Altars - Roots and Realities of Cultic and Satanic Ritual Abuse and
Multiple Personality Disorder
Craig Lockwood©1993
CompCare Publishers
3850 Annapolis Lane, Suite 100
Minneapolis, MN 55441
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ISBN 0-89638-363-6
255+pps — out-of-print/one edition.
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A very interesting and excellent book.
Om
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Chapter 11

Relatively Speaking Postmodernists, Primitives, And Religious Idealists

"We see and hear and otherwise experience very largely as we do because the
language habits of our community predispose certain choices of
interpretation''
-Edward Sapir

Postmodem academia has embraced the sorcerer's question, "Who has the power
to make 'truth.' " If the ideal of achieving unfettered, omniscient magical
power is at the heart of individuals and cults who practice ritualized
abuses, no better form of philosophical justification than relativism has yet
arisen. Relativism is based on an overarching postmodern philosophy that
defines all truth as subjective, contingent, and relative.

In the relativist view, ethics, morality, and knowledge have no objective
worth because they are based on judgments, and thus are subjective
concepts—relative to who is observing and his or her particular cultural
background.

Relativism found a permanent place in academic thought and became an
important part in the foundation of the prevailing liberal intellectual canon.

When applied to history, anthropology, and sociology, relativism maintains
that no culture is "better" than another. Philosophy, law, social
organization, medicine, religion, technology—the bases of Western
civilization—can no longer be used to evaluate other cultures. They are
simply ethnocentric judgments.

Discarded in the intellectual community's rush to accept relativism, was the
concept of rigorously applied scholarship, judgment and comparison—basic
hand-tools in the Western intellectual toolkit.

Left-wing and Marxist academics as junior faculty members in the late 1960s
and early 1970s enthusiastically embraced relativism and its associated
postmodern philosophical stances. Over the years they gained tenure and rose
to important academic positions.

Stanley Fish in Doing What Comes Naturally wrote that since objective
standards such as ethics no longer applied, simple political strength could
be substituted where needed to achieve an academic end, resulting in a form
of intellectual might-makes-right. It was the beginning of what would come to
be called "political correctness."[1]

Using this kind of postmodern reasoning, a Bolivian cocaine-smuggler's hiring
of a Peruvian yatiri to conduct a human sacrifice to ensure the safe shipment
of a ton of drugs was the spiritual equivalent of Pennsylvania Mennonites
praying for God's blessing before building a neighbor's barn.[2]

Constructing Social Constructionism

According to Alfonso Martinez-Taboas, a psychotherapist practicing in Puerto
Rico and a contributor to Dissociation, even the concept of multiple
personality disorder is relative when looked at through the postmodern lens
of social constructionism.

Martinez-Taboas maintains that a "wide variety of personal experiences,"
emotions and attitudes are determined in the main by cultural systems of
belief. Emotions aren't natural responses elicited by natural features
inherent in a given situation, but "socio-culturally determined patterns of
experience and expression," acquired and subsequently manifested socially.

Constructionists have been paying attention recently to how diverse societies
and cultures view the "self." Martinez-Taboas notes that the Japanese sense
of self is based on a high degree of interdependence with a larger social
unit. American society, on the other hand, doesn't value overt connectedness,
but stresses individualism, independence, privacy, and detachment.

Martinez-Taboas suggests that "the consequences of this type of
conceptualization could be staggering. If the self is a social construction,
then it follows logically that many different experiences of the self will be
found throughout the world and its history."

Individualistic societies such as in Canada and the United States could be
expected, by constructionist standards, to have high incidences of MPD.[3]
Community-based societies, in which children are respected and valued, will
have little or no incidence of MPD.[4]

What seems more probable is that preliterate, pretechnological societies
offer neither the freedom from traditional authoritarian family/tribal
control nor the ability to understand psychosis or dissociative behaviors
caused by trauma as anything but spirit-possession.

Also commonly under-reported by those who study such societies is the sexual
use of children, which is extremely high in just these kinds of societies.[5]

To justify their behaviors, Western pedophiles, who generally exhibit a high
degree of cultural sophistication, have pointed out Greek and Roman societies
as 

[CTRL] [1] The Treason of the Senate

1999-07-06 Thread Kris Millegan

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an excerpt from:
The Treason of the Senate
David Graham Phillips
academic reprints
p.o. box 3003
Stanford, California
Cosmopolitian Magazine
Vol. XL - March, 1906 - No.5
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 --bookflap--

This book consists of nine articles and an Editorial Foreword which appeared
in Cosmopolitan between March and November 1906. The author was one of the
group of so-called muckrakers, a contemporary of Lincoln Steffens, Ida M.
Tarbell and Ray Stannard Baker.

Phillips' principal medium, however, was fictional criticism of events and
persons whom he considered worthy of public examination. His novels, among
the best known of which were The Plum Tree, The Deluge and Susan Lenox,
attained considerable popularity. Yet after publication of The Treason of the
Senate, Phillips was all but excluded from the magazines, and his books were
neglected by the critics. He died in 1911 at the age of forty-four, victim of
gunshot wounds inflicted by a paranoid who believed Phillips had maligned
American women.

=

The Treason of the Senate

An Editorial Foreword

  A PLAIN, honest Californian lived on an island in the mouth of the San
Joaquin river. He was a good citizen, a man of family, a hard-working
rancher, not without ideas of his own, and excessively proud of the fact that
he was a member of the Grand Army of the Republic. He was also proud of his
Americanism—so proud, in fact, that when he read in the papers of the corrupt
doings of legislators who betrayed their country by assisting the ignoble
money power in its predatory plans, he would wince and shake his head and set
his teeth. These things preyed upon the mind of the islander. He could hardly
talk of anything else.

One day, only a few years ago, the telegraph flashed the news across the
continent that a notoriously corrupt politician—a tool of the trusts-—had
bought a seat in the United States Senate. Our simple-minded ranchman
immediately arose in his wrath, went and took pen and paper and laboriously
wrote a declaration of independence in which he withdrew himself, his family
and his island from the jurisdiction and the protection of the United States.
He sent a copy of his declaration to Congress.

Of course, the crude document created a smile at Washington. No reply was
ever made to it. The sum total of practical result was that the Grand Army
post to which our righteous islander belonged gravely adopted a set of
resolutions chiding and deriding him.

The sum total? Well, hardly the sum total, for, as the sturdy rancher still
persisted in the idea that his island was no longer under the control of the
United States, although he still paid tribute in the form of taxes, the
notion went around among his neighbors, up and down the river-men who had
always respected him as a good citizen—that in some way his act really did
reflect upon the government, or at least, upon the corrupt element in it. So
the declaration of one man's independence made an impression. Queer and
quixotical as it was, it was still an "object lesson."

Now, of course, we cannot all secede from the Union because of the corruption
of our national Senate. It would be obviously visionary and foolish for us to
do so on that or on any other account. Besides, there are not islands enough
to go around. Our part as citizens of the republic is plain enough. We must
stand our ground. We must fight the good fight. Heartsick and depressed as we
may be at times because of the spread of graft in high places and its
frightfully contaminating influence, we must still hold up our heads.

We must never lose an opportunity to show that as private citizens we are
opposed to public plunderers. We should interest ourselves in every scrap of
information as to official treason that comes our way. We must be as patient
in the study of corruption as we are impatient of its creatures and their
punishment.

For example, it should be the duty of every citizen of this republic—every
mail, woman, schoolboy and schoolgirl—every person who can understand facts
as presented in print—to read "The Treason of the Senate" by David Graham
Phillips, a series of tremendously important ariticles[sic] to be commenced
in the March number of the COSMOPOLITAN.

 A searching and unsparing spot-light, directed by the masterly hand of Mr.
Phillips, will be turned upon each of the iniquitous figures that walk the
Senate stage at the national Capitol. This convincing story of revelation, to
be told in several chapters, and to run well through the magazine year, has
been called "The Treason of the Senate" for the reason that that is a fit and
logical title for this terrible arraignment of those who, sitting in the
seats of the mighty at Washington, have betrayed the public to that cruel and
vicious Spirit of Mammon which has come to dominate the nation.

The truth told in the courts and in public print about the senators now under
indictment, as well as the facts collected by Mr. Phillips against many of
their corrupt colleagues, 

[CTRL] [8] The Ohio Gang

1999-07-06 Thread Kris Millegan

 -Caveat Lector-

An excerpt from:
The Ohio Gang
Charles L. Mee, Jr.©1981
M. Evans and Company, Inc.
216 East 49th Street
New York, New York 10017
ISBN 0-87131-340-5
218 pps — out-of-print/one edition
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XXII.

Corruption

"MY DEAR JOHN," Charles Hayden, of Hayden, Stone  Company of Boston, wrote
to Secretary of War John Weeks:

Ordinarily I would hate to bring these matters to your personal attention,
but the way the general situation has been developing in the last six months
'it seems to me that everything that can be done by co-operation between
bankers and the Government to inspire confidence in a legitimate way should
be done, and that is why I feel a perfectly clear conscience in giving you
this little additional bother.


The bother of which Hayden spoke was a claim that the government had against
the Wright-Martin Aircraft Company, of which Hayden happened to be a
director, for receiving $5,267,467.75 more than it should have during the war
in payment for Hispano-Suiza airplane motors. Weeks, the former Bostonian,
replied:

My Dear Hayden:

In view of the steps that have already been taken, I am convinced that the
proper procedure is for the company to come in before the Air Service section
and make their showing.
Whatever decision may be reached by the Air Service section you should
understand is not conclusive. Not only is the approval of a higher officer
required, but even if that approval is obtained, there is a further appeal to
myself.

pps. 135-136

=

XXIII.

Bribery and Corruption

ON THE FOURTH of July 1921, Ned McLean gave a party at his house on I Street
for President and Mrs. Harding, Secretary of State Hughes, Daugherty, several
ambassadors, and a crowd of senators and representatives. The I Street house
was a grand pile, occupying half a block, with a ballroom that could
accommodate several dining tables, each a hundred feet long, and with a
living room that, at Christmastime, had ample space for a three-story-high
Christmas tree. Barberini tapestries decorated the walls of the ballroom, and
Evalyn Walsh McLean liked to have masses of flowers about the house.

The high point of the party was the screening of a movie that had been rushed
to Washington by one of Ned's functionaries, Jap Muma—a movie of the prize
fight that had been held two days before at Boyle's Thirty Acres in New
Jersey between Jack Dempsey, then the heavyweight champion of the world, and
the French contender Georges Carpentier. Dempsey won by a knockout, and the
guests were wonderfully enthusiastic about the film. In the chitchat that
followed, someone mentioned that it was too bad that people all over the
United States could not see the movie.

In fact, it had been illegal for McLean to have the film. Almost a dozen
years before, when the black fighter Jack Johnson beat the white fighter Jim
Jeffries, a law was passed to prohibit the transportation of fight films
across state lines—to prevent the "humiliating spectacle of a white man
beaten by a negro" from getting around. Daugherty, always quick to spot a
loophole, remarked that the law only prohibited the transportation of films;
it did not prohibit their exhibition once they had gotten across the state
lines. He told Jap Muma that Muma should get hold of an old friend of
Daugherty's from Ohio, Alfred Urion, "one of the greatest little men you ever
met in your life." Muma and Urion ought to be able to work something out,
Daugherty thought, and "if you put this across," he said to Muma, "you ought
to get a big cut—not less than fifty per cent."

The idea Urion and Muma worked out was simple. Urion came up with the names
of some lawyer friends in the states where the film could be shown for a good
profit. These men would take the rap for bringing the film across state
lines. It would be fixed that each of these men would then be fined the
lowest possible amount, and then the movies could be shown. They would be
shown first, for free, to an American Legion audience, or some war veterans'
organization. Then, it would be arranged to have some newspaper reporters
alerted so that they could raise a stink in their papers against the ban on
the film. Then the film would be released.

In New York, it was arranged to show the film first at a hospital for
disabled soldiers on Staten Island. (William Orr was able to lend a hand for
the arrangements in New York, for which he took a 20 percent cut.) The United
States attorney in New York then prosecuted the makers of the film and fined
them $1,000 each. Newspapers printed editorials in favor of showing the movie
(Orr's old contacts with newsmen helped in this). Then the movie was
released. It turned a quick profit in New York of $75,000, and went from
there to twenty-one states, making a profit, altogether, of about a million
dollars.

pps.138-140

=

XXIV.

Jess Smith Returns to Washington Court House

ONCE EVERY TWO or three weeks, Jess Smith would board the train with his two
heavy black leather suitcases 

[CTRL] [17] Loud and Clear

1999-07-06 Thread Kris Millegan

 -Caveat Lector-

an excerpt from:
Loud and Clear
Lake Headly and William Hoffman©1990
Henry Holt and Company
115 W. 18th St.
New York, NY 10011
ISBN 0-8050-1138-2
272 pps — out-of-print/one edition
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17

New Mexico Dynamite

"I've started to eat," Jim Robison told me when I visited him one day in
early June.

"Good. I'm glad you've given up that starvation routine. I think you and Max
are going to get out of here."

I was indeed pleased, and told. Jim the unvarnished truth. The JoDon, Nation,
and Hawkins information, piled atop so much else, plus many official
documents disputing the prosecution's version (such as "loud and clear"), all
combined to form a veritable Everest of evidence against which I didn't think
the state's case could stand.

"I agree our chances look better," Robison said. "The Hawkins stuff is
powerful. It was good of Ralph to help, and I don't think it's hopeless
anymore."

This very strong man acted embarrassed and almost sheepish, like an alcoholic
who stays off the sauce for several months, then relapses. Falling off the
starvation wagon, however, marked definite progress.

"How long did you go?" I asked.

"I don't know. Maybe a hundred days."

I counted it in my head. It was a hundred and five. Jim, pale, shaky, and
weak, had lost at least eighty pounds. Wisely, he had resumed his food intake
cautiously: orange juice, oatmeal, only soft foods.

Although Jim's body bore the scars of his slow journey into the valley of
death, his eyes twinkled with the rebirth of faith, a Lazarus rising from the
grave. "I just don't see," I said, not wanting to darken his mood, "how the
press and prosecution can ignore Hawkins's information."

"Maybe so. But one thing will never change. Lake, as I've told you over and
over, these people adhere to only one principle: Cover Your Ass. They'll
never admit they did a lousy job, that they flat-out did wrong. just
yesterday, one of the hacks came around and said, 'Why are you going through
this? Give 'em what they want, and they'll bring a limousine around to take
you away from here.' "

"They still want you to finger Marley?"

"Sure. Marley. That's all it's ever been."

I thought about Kemper Marley on my drive back to Phoenix. Clearly there had
to be a mastermind, a money man, behind the scenes, and Marley had been
earmarked for the role. Why? And why did the state and the press continue to
cling desperately to the original discredited version of the murder, even
though the case against Marley, resting on Adamson's word alone, had
disintegrated when the alleged motive proved to be no motive, when a Bolles
article or evidence of a Bolles investigation did not cost him a post on the
racing commission?

My own best hunch was that both the Phoenix police and the Phoenix
newspapers, part and parcel of the Establishment's soul, had tried to put it
on Marley because he was a loner, because he was not a member of the
Establishment. Yet somebody had called for the reporter's murder, and clearly
the Establishment was wallowing in guilt—probably over the murder and surely
over the coverup—and hoping that by ignoring bad news like the purging of
File #851 the nightmare would somehow go away. The papers saw the Bolles case
as a downtown High Noon bombing bad for the image of Phoenix. Thus-keep it
closed. If it reopened in full swing now, it would be worse than the first
time around.

Too bad. I wasn't going away, and neither were Devereux,

Marshall, Naomi, Terri Lee, nor Playboy and The New York Times. It was
getting to be like Watergate: there was always more. And as with Watergate,
the more that came out, the more the established powers tried to stonewall.

Terri Lee and I had been working together virtually every free hour she had
(she was attending college and holding down the bartender job) and we had
grown closer and closer. I couldn't believe my luck: a young, beautiful woman
who didn't seem a whit perplexed by what had turned into a serious romance
with a guy pushing fifty.

Also, it was a pain to separate each night and then regroup early the next
morning to plot the day's activities. But my concern went much deeper than
saving time and gas. I'd fallen in love and wanted to be with her all the
time, but hesitated to suggest a different arrangement. Don't be an old fool,
I told myself, cursing our age difference. It wouldn't be fair to her. So,
when I returned from visiting Robison, I wasn't prepared for what Terri Lee
said over brunch.

"I found a place," she said, "that we can rent on Camelback. A one-bedroom,
unfurnished apartment. I can fix it up really nice, and there's lots of light
for my plants."

We can rent on Camelback?

"I'll take care of all the details. Of course, I want you to look it over
first, see if you like it."

The apartment was in a one-story, adobe brick complex, directly across the
street from the high school Terri had attended.

"Like it?" she asked.

"Love it." I really did, though I would have eagerly settled into the 

[CTRL] What is War?

1999-07-06 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

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From www.harrybrowne2000.net/


 What is war?

 by Harry Browne

 The politicians' stirring phrases are meant to keep our eyes
 averted from the reality of war -- to make us imagine heroic
 young men marching in parades, winning glorious battles, and
 bringing peace and democracy to the world.

 But war is something quite different from that.

 It is your children or your grandchildren dying before they're
 even fully adults, or being maimed or mentally scarred for life.
 It is your brothers and sisters being taught to kill other people
 -- and to hate people who are just like themselves and who don't
 want to kill anyone either. It is your children seeing their
 buddies' limbs blown off their bodies.

 It is hundreds of thousands of human beings dying years before
 their time. It is millions of people separated forever from the
 ones they loved.

 It is the destruction of homes for which people worked for
 decades. It is the end of careers that meant as much to others as
 your career means to you.

 It is the imposition of heavy taxes on you and on other Americans
 and on people in other countries -- taxes that remain long after
 the war is over. It is the suppression of free speech and the
 jailing of people who criticize the government.

 It is the imposition of slavery by forcing young men to serve in
 the military.

 It is goading the public to hate foreign people and races --
 whether Arabs or Japanese or Cubans. It is numbing our
 sensibilities to cruelties inflicted on foreigners.

 It is cheering at the news of foreign pilots killed in their
 planes, of young men blown to bits while trapped inside tanks, of
 sailors drowned at sea.

 Other tragedies inevitably trail in the wake of war. Politicians
 lie even more than usual. Secrecy and cover-ups become the rule
 rather than the exception. The press become even less reliable.

 War is genocide, torture, cruelty, propaganda, dishonesty, and
 slavery.

 War is the worst obscenity government can inflict upon its
 subjects. It makes every other political crime -- corruption,
 bribery, favoritism, vote-buying, graft, dishonesty -- seem
 petty.

 Government's Role

 If government has a role to play in foreign affairs, it isn't to
 win wars, to assure that the right people run foreign countries,
 to protect innocent foreigners from guilty aggressors, or to make
 the world safe for democracy -- or even a safer place at all.

 If government has a role, it can be only to keep us out of wars
 -- to make sure no one will ever attack us, to make certain you
 can live your life in peace, to assure you the freedom to ignore
 who is right and who is wrong in foreign conflicts.

 The only reason for military power is to discourage attackers,
 and -- if they come anyway -- to repel them at our borders. Such
 things as stationing troops in far-off lands, meddling in foreign
 disputes, and sending our children to foreign countries as
 "peacekeepers" only encourage war.

 To make America safer and to assure that we stay at peace, we
 don't need to put more weapons in the hands of government
 employees, or to reform military purchasing methods, or to make
 more treaties with other governments, or to increase the military
 budget.

 In fact, we need just the opposite of these things. We need to
 make it as hard as possible for politicians to involve us in war.
 And we need to create a defense system that relies as little as
 possible on the normal workings of government.

 # # #

 [From Why Government Doesn't Work, pages 144-145.
 Copies available for purchase online at
 http://www.liamworks.com/wgdw/]


 If there isn't a Momentum 2000 menu of the left side of this
 page, click here to go to Harry Browne's home page.


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Re: [CTRL] William Bill Cooper John Lear

1999-07-06 Thread T Nohava

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 Hi ...does anyone any more about this?

 http://home.worldonline.nl/~karel/ufo/people/cooper-lear/index.html


Not in defense of Cooper or Lear, this researcher's(Karel) interests seem
more focused on Cybersex:-)
http://home-1.worldonline.nl/~karel/sex.html

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[CTRL] FW: op-ed: Do Rights Come from the Constitution?[absolute MUST read]

1999-07-06 Thread Peter L. Sroufe

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To: Peter Sroufe
Subject: op-ed: Do Rights Come from the Constitution? by Jacob G.
Hornberger


Do Rights Come from the Constitution?
by Jacob G. Hornberger

It is commonly believed that the rights of the American people come
from the Constitution. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Throughout history, the standard belief was that people were
unconditionally subject to the commands of their government. If the king
ordered a person to leave his family to fight in a war thousands of miles
away, that person would have to obey. The king could control and regulate
both lives and property because he was  sovereign and supreme, and the
citizens, as subjects, were subordinate and inferior. When the king
commanded, people obeyed.
Gradually, people began questioning the notion of the king's having
unrestricted control over their lives and fortunes. For example, in 1215,
with Magna Carta, the king was forced to admit that his powers over the
citizenry were limited.
It was in 1776, however, with the publication of the Declaration of
Independence, that the historical concept of sovereignty got turned upside
down. Government wasn't sovereign and supreme, Jefferson declared to the
world. Individuals are. And government officials are subordinate and
inferior to the citizenry.
The Declaration emphasized that men have been endowed with certain
fundamental and inherent rights that preexist government. In other words,
man's rights don't come from the king or from any other government
official. Rights such as life, liberty, property, and the pursuit of
happiness exist independently of government, not because of government.
It also emphasized that the reason people call government into
existence is to protect the exercise of these rights. That is, in the
absence of government, antisocial people such as murderers, rapists, and
thieves would make life quite miserable for everyone else. Therefore,
government is needed to arrest, prosecute, and punish these types of
people.
What happens when government transgresses its rightful duty of
protection and becomes more destructive than what would be the case in the
absence of government? The Declaration tells us that it is the right of the
people to alter or abolish that government and to implement a new
government that is designed to protect, not destroy, the exercise of man's
natural or God-given rights.
The quandary, of course, that our Founders faced was whether it was
possible to bring a government into existence that would remain limited to
an inferior and subordinate role rather than attempt to assume the more
traditional sovereign and supreme role.
In 1787, the Founders attempted to solve the problem by writing a
Constitution that called the federal government into existence. The result
was historically significant: The Constitution made it clear that this
government, unlike others in history, would not be one of unlimited powers.
Instead, by the express terms of the Constitution itself, the federal
government would be one of limited powers--limited to those enumerated in
Article 1, Section 10 of the Constitution.
Thus the correct question is not "What rights does the Constitution
give to the American people?" but rather "What powers does the Constitution
grant to the government?" If a certain power is not enumerated, the
government is not permitted to exercise it.
Not trusting government officials, however--even democratically
elected ones--the American people ensured the passage of the first 10
amendments to the Constitution. These should more appropriately have been
called the "Bill of Prohibitions" than the Bill of Rights. Why? Because a
careful examination reveals that they are express restrictions on
government powers rather than a grant of rights to the citizenry.
Some people argued that a Bill of Prohibitions was unnecessary
because government's powers were already limited to those enumerated in the
Constitution itself. Since the government has not been given the power to
regulate speech, for example, there was no reason to have an express
prohibition against the regulation of speech.
Fearful, however, of the propensity of government to move toward
dominance and control, the people felt safer with express restrictions on
the power to interfere with rights that they believed were of the utmost
importance. Playing it safe, they included the Ninth Amendment: "The
enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed
to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
So the next time someone refers to your "constitutional rights,"
remind him that people's rights don't come from the Constitution. And if
you really want to stimulate thinking, ask him whether he believes that
today the federal government is destructive of 

[CTRL] Bankrupt Republicans

1999-07-06 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

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From Dissent
http://www.igc.org/dissent/current/current.html

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 Bankruptcy and Zeal
 The Republican Dialectic





 Sean Wilentz










 Now that the dust has started to settle, it's time to assess why
 the congressional Republicans, in the face of overwhelmingly
 hostile public opinion, pursue the impeachment of President
 Clinton to the bitter end. Overwrought idealism was partly
 responsible, as was the intimidation of more moderate members by
 the hard-line party leadership, as were the whims of fortune. But
 one of the dirty secrets of impeachment may be that the
 Republicans had nothing better to do. By setting their sights on
 removing an already besmirched Bill Clinton, Republicans
 unwittingly exposed their party's intellectual bankruptcy,
 especially at the national level. And by pursuing impeachment as
 zealously as they did, they compounded that bankruptcy by
 alienating millions of voters.

 The turnabout is astonishing. For nearly two decades, Republicans
 and their allied think tanks and policy packaging firms had
 seemingly swept aside most traces of oppositional thinking.
 Dependable liberal battle cries-for state-stimulated full
 employment, advancing racial integration, and more-grew fainter
 by the year. The very idea of activist government, outside the
 realm of foreign affairs, became fatal to the touch. Republican
 panaceas, from the supply-side Laffer curve to the "just-say-no"
 anti-drug policy, did not exactly work their magic, but neither
 did their failure seem to discredit the Republicans' working
 assumptions, fiercely libertarian with respect to economic policy
 and fiercely moralistic with respect to social policy. "We've
 largely won the battle of ideas," Kate O'Beirne, formerly of the
 Heritage Foundation, recently boasted. "We are in the
 implementation stage right now." Indeed, some commentators claim
 that that Republican thinking infected the Democrats as well,
 especially inside the Clinton White House-though this reasoning
 makes it difficult to understand why so many Republicans, and
 virtually all hard-line conservatives, hate Clinton so deeply.
 Yet today, poll after poll shows that the public is fed up with
 the right-wing moralizers, has no particular interest in tax
 cuts, and fears that the Republicans will undermine popular
 universal entitlements.

 The Republicans' intellectual crisis cannot be blamed on
 complacency. Indeed, faith in what Irving Kristol once referred
 to as the inverted Gramscianism of the modern GOP-that is,
 control the prevailing view of reality and you control
 politics-has only deepened during the Clinton years. According to
 a recent report by the left-liberal National Committee for
 Responsive Philanthropy (NCRP), the nation's twenty leading
 conservative policy institutions have more than doubled their
 combined budgets since 1992, spending $158 million in 1996
 alone-$20 million more than the Republican Party raised and spent
 during that election year in soft-money contributions. The five
 best-known institutions on the NCRP's list (the Heritage
 Foundation, Hoover Institution, Center for Strategic and
 International Studies, American Enterprise Institute, and Free
 Congress Research and Education Foundation) accounted for about
 half of the total in 1996; the rest was lavished on smaller,
 tightly focused groups, each dedicated to advancing core elements
 of the conservative agenda. By attracting increased contributions
 from the corporate sector, and by tightening their connections
 with political operatives (in Washington and the states) as well
 as with grassroots activists, this conglomeration of
 organizations has turned policy advocacy on the right into
 something like a permanent, well-coordinated, national political
 campaign.

 Yet in the immediate aftermath of the impeachment struggle, it
 looked as if the GOP's research-and-promotion efforts had
 succumbed to the law of diminishing returns. The prospects were
 especially grim for the party's social-conservative wing. Since
 1978, when the activist Paul Weyrich and his allies invented the
 Moral Majority, Republicans had built an invaluable new base
 among politicized conservative evangelicals. Even when public
 displeasure at the GOP televangelists mounted late in the Reagan
 years, and even after the Moral Majority disbanded, a more
 secular version of moral majoritarianism gained vast exposure and
 considerable momentum, thanks to publicists like William Bennett
 and operations like the Free Congress Foundation. In this
 version, America's chief problems were moral, not economic or
 political; they stemmed from the cultural relativism and
 permissiveness imposed by a relatively small but powerful 1960s
 left; and they could be 

[CTRL] 20,000 lodge protests as gold reserve

1999-07-06 Thread Para

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Telegraph Online
http://www.telegraph.co.uk


http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/et?ac=001785122525867rtmo=wsQtQf5batmo=t
ttdpg=/et/99/7/6/ngold06.html

20,000 lodge protests as gold reserve sale begins
By Anne Hyland

HM Government gold auction [28 Jun '99] - Bank of England


THE Government has received more than 20,000 protests against its auction
of gold reserves today amid claims that the decision will cause unemployment
in South Africa.

The Bank of England is to auction 25 tonnes of gold today as part of its plan
to reduce Britain's reserves from 715 tonnes to 300 tonnes over the next few
years. The World Gold Council yesterday said more than 20,000 callers had
protested against the sale.

Some council mining members also suggested the decision to sell the reserves,
which led to the price of gold falling by almost $30 (£20) an ounce, could
force the closure of mines in South Africa. The price of gold, which fell from
$289.25 before the decision to auction the reserves, closed at $263.25
yesterday.

The Government is also facing a legal challenge in the High Court from a
jeweller in Southampton, Kim Rose, who is seeking leave for a hearing to
stop further gold reserve sales and an explanation from the Government for its
actions. The hearing is expected to go before the High Court today.

Mr Rose said the Government was not aware of the action until yesterday
when it was presented with documents from his lawyers. He said: "I didn't
think of doing it until Friday. I thought some bigger government body would
intervene but nobody has done anything about it."

A Treasury spokesman said: 'The Government has adequately explained its
reasons for the sale, which is to re-balance the Bank of England's
portfolio so
a great proportion of reserves are held in currency."

Algy Cluff, chief executive of Cluff Mining, said the Government's actions had
put the industry under pressure, as had the International Monetary Fund's
plans to sell up to $2 billion of its gold reserves to relieve debt in poor
countries.

"We [the mining companies] are among the few organisations actively helping
the Third World," said Mr Cluff, who has operations in South Africa,
Zimbabwe and Burkina Faso. "They're talking about kicking away the
important prop that's holding up the mining sector and that's the gold price,"
he added.

The Bank of England declined to comment.

Michel Camdessus, managing director of the IMF, said that the sales would
be made at the right time and at a "reasonable price" so as not to further
depress the gold price.

At least five gold mines in South Africa have proposed sacking 8,000 miners
because of lower gold prices.

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[CTRL] BUSH DENIES FAVOURS

1999-07-06 Thread Para

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Daily Telegraph Online
http://www.telegraph.co.uk:




Tuesday 6 July 1999

BUSH DENIES FAVOURS
Ben Fenton, Washington

http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/et?ac=001785122525867rtmo=wsQtQf5batmo=t
ttdpg=/et/99/7/6/wbus06.html

GEORGE W BUSH, the front-runner for the Republican presidential
nomination, was forced to defend himself yesterday from accusations that he
was given special treatment to avoid fighting in Vietnam.

The allegations, in one of America's most respected newspapers, show that
media scrutiny of the early favourite in the race for the White House will be
every bit as close as that devoted to Bill Clinton in 1992.

The Los Angeles Times said Mr Bush had
been given preferential treatment when he
applied to join the Texas Air National
Guard, a reserve unit, in 1968 while he
was still a student at Yale University.

Young American men desperate to avoid
Vietnam were attracted to the national
guard units because they counted as
military service but were very unlikely to
be sent to South-East Asia. This was
especially true of the air national guard,
which tended to use outdated aircraft and
took responsibility for defence of their
home states.

The newspaper said Mr Bush, then 21, had far fewer qualifications to become
an officer and pilot cadet in the guard than others. It pointed out that his
father, who became president in 1988, was in 1968 a Congressman
representing Houston, Texas.

A spokesman for the Bush campaign said the newspaper had erred because it
was looking at the qualifications needed to become an officer in the Army
National Guard. The LA Times also said George W Bush, who is now the
governor of Texas, had been selected for a fast-track recruitment process that
won him a commission immediately.

As the paper put it: "Doors were opened and good fortune flowed to him at
opportune times". He was the only reservist among about 70 trainee officers
at the year-long pilot school in Georgia to fly F-102 fighters.

Mr Bush, campaigning in New Hampshire, denied any suggestion of
favouritism, saying he had joined the guard because he "wanted to fly
fighters". Brig Gen Buck Staudt, then commander of the guard, is quoted as
saying: "There was no influence on his behalf. Neither his daddy nor anybody
else got him into the guard."

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[CTRL] is USA Trillions in debt ????

1999-07-06 Thread Andrew Hennessey

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Someone at our Transformation Group said that the US was trillions in debt
and that Clinton has promised to pay it back in 15 years 

is this true ?? -- I thought that the American Financial system was
incredibly good !!

Whats the truth then ??

Andrew Hennessey
Transformation Studies Group
EdinburghScotland

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Re: [CTRL] Flintstone redefines America's pre-history

1999-07-06 Thread Andrew Hennessey

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ok, here's a theory for you.

supposing controlling elite C wanted to remain in control of the moral and
ethical right to rule america -   All elite C are race A

But when it gets right down to it, in the 21st century, A are deluged by
the overwhelming presence of races, I,N,H etc, but that History shows it
most likely that predominately, I,N,H were the oldest on the continent.

Race A, however can't live with that, and not being too bright, they invent
a phoney archaeological dig with no tangible skeletons and make the claim that
'aryan americansis flintstonius spp' went round killing 50 foot mammoths
and 40 mph herd animals with a stone    because they're tough guys !!!

Do you people in the states swallow that ?? I'm worried here - help !


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[CTRL] Fw: [TheEagle-L] Fwd: Amphibeous humanoids spawned the Merovingians?

1999-07-06 Thread Nicky Molloy

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Clinton is supposed to be descended from the French Kings. I don't know
enough about this to know if its right but I think prob some reptoid got
into the royalty (I hope the Irish escaped the curse!) at some time.

Nicky


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Date: Wednesday, 7 July 1999 10:25
Subject: [TheEagle-L] Fwd: Amphibeous humanoids spawned the Merovingians?



I recieved the following info, and thought I would pass it along...
I leave the readers to decide what to do with this information,
whether to accept or reject it...

The Merovingians are genetically connected to the Amphibious Reptilians.

The Merovingian Kings of the Franks

Meroveus:  ..he was descended from Chlodio". Fredegar
III, 9 implies he was the son of Chlodio's wife and the "Quinotaur" (a
Sea Monster/Amphibious Reptilian).

On page #228 of "HALL OF THE GODS" by Nigel Appleby (1998) :
"The Merovingian line takes its name from a unique and elusive
ancestor known as Merovee, Merovech or Meroveus.   He was apparently a
semi-supernatureal figure ; even his name bears witness to his
miraculous origin and character[It means "SEA"]
   ".his mother went swimming in the ocean where she was seduced or
raped by acreature known as a Quinotaur, apparently some form of
Neptune.  This beast manged to impregnate the lady.so when Merovee
was born, there flowed in his veins a commingling of two different
bloodsthe blood of a mysterious aquatic creature."

Note :  this "aquatic creature" was said to be connected to the star
"SIRIUS".

The symbolism of Water is also linked to King Arthur(the Fisher King)
and Jesus (Matthew 13: 47-48).

The Mysteries of Rennes-le-Chateau and the Prieure du Sion.
http://www.clas.ufl.edu/users/seeker1/fortpages/rennes-sion.html
Excerpts :  * "Van Buren feels that the "Quinotaur" (literally,
"five-horn") which mated with King
Merovech's mother in the sea, giving him his 'double' parentage, may
have been an extraterrestrial."
* "Perhaps the Merovingians' most unusual chronicler is Gerard de Sede,
who claims the "Fabulous
Race" descends from extraterrestrials from Sirius (!), and who points
out that at their stronghold in
Stenay (also known as Satanicum), frogs frequently fall from the sky[9].
(De Sede clearly keeps up
on his Fortean literature.) Up until recently, little was known about
these long-haired kings, as they
inhabited that historical epoch derided as the "Dark Ages." The founder
of the royal line, Merovech,
was said to be of two fathers - his mother, already pregnant by King
Chlodio, was seduced while
swimming in the ocean by a 'Quinotaur,'  and Merovech was formed somehow
by
the commingling of Frankish blood and that of the mysterious aquatic
creature. Like the Nazoreans
of old, the Merovingian monarchs never cut their hair, and bore a
distinctive birthmark - said to be a
red cross over the shoulder blades. Their robes were fringed with
tassels which were said to carry
magical curative powers. They were known as occult adepts, and in one
Merovingian tomb was
found such items as a golden bull's head, a crystal ball, and several
golden miniature bees. And
strangely, many skulls of these monarchs appear to have been ritually
incised - i.e. trephanned.

The Sicambrians, ancestors of the Franks, were known as the "people of
the Bear" for their worship
of the bear-goddess Arduina. The word Arcadia comes from Arkas, patron
god of that area of
Greece, the son of the nymph Callisto, sister of the huntress Artemis.
Callisto's constellation is also
known to many as Ursa Major, the Great Bear. The name "Arthur" comes
from the Celtic ARTH ,
related to "Ursus" (as in "Prince"), namely, "bear."
***

So"Quinotaur" is the legendary creature who climbed out of the sea
to found the
  Merovingian dynasty back in the 5th century.

I'm certainly surprised that many of  the anti-Reptilian folks are the
same ones that support the Merovingian/Chirst connection rap.
Amphibious Reptilians are manipulating human culture.  And they USE
those who claim to hate them, to gain control of Society.

The "Quinotaur" is an Amphibious Reptilian of the group also known as
OANNES (ENKI)[EA].
   They are the ATL (means WATER).QuetzalcoATL = Osiris.   And the
"Priest Kings" are returning again August 1999 - 2012.

Secrets about this are connected to the OMPHALOS SITES (Oracle
Centres) and the Legends of ARGO/Jason/ARGOnauts.   [And the Egyptian
Magurru Boat (Magan).]

Ursa Major means great bear.  Scholars believe that
  the Greeks may have mistaken the Persian word Dob (Hebrew Dowb),
which means
  Bear, for Dubeh, (the name of the brightest star), which means A
Herd, A Flock. The
  Herd, or Flock is the meaning of this constellation. Other stars
bear this out: Merak,
  Flock in Hebrew, or Purchased in Arabic; Phad, Guarded or 

[CTRL] THE RUSSIANS ARE AT PLAY]

1999-07-06 Thread Nicky Molloy

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-Original Message-
From: Alan DeWalton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Wednesday, 7 July 1999 10:25
Subject: [TheEagle-L] Fwd: [Fwd: Fwd: THE RUSSIANS ARE AT PLAY]




--- Dr Byron Weeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2019 08:33:18 -0600
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 Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 08:56:28 EDT
 Subject: Fwd: THE RUSSIANS ARE AT PLAY
 To: undisclosed-recipients:;

 In a message dated 07/02/1999 10:47:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Ladies  gentlemen:
 
   The recent Russian military exercise that involved 50,000 troops from
   five military districts, massive naval maneuvers and including a mock
   nuclear air attack on the United States by four Russian bombers, was
 the
   first such show of military might by the Russians in the past 11
 years.
   Looks like the bear is coming out of it's hibernation, fully rested
 and
   nicely funded by our president and those nice money managers at the
 IMF.
 
   Just as the bombing runs began over Kosovo, I ran into an
 acquaintance
   who is a writer for the Associated Press.  He thought my concerns
 over
   Russia's ability to react effectively, even militarily in the Kosovo
   crisis were completely overstated and even laughable.  He was
 convinced
   the Russian military was in tatters.  When I showed him hard
   documentation of the Russian military hardware production since 1989,
   including the world's most sophisticated SAM air defense system,
 nuclear
   submarines and a jet fighter that can match anything in our arsenal,
 his
   confident smile waned.  I just showed him confirmed reports of a
   coordinated and well-executed military exercise involving over 50,000
   Russian troops, naval vessels and nuclear attack bombers and he lost
 his
   sense of humor altogether.  So should you.
 
   Today is the first day of July, 1999, and every warning I've issued
   about this month still holds.  The reason we have our own military
   practicing war games in our own cities is because our president
   anticipates having to send in military forces to fight in our cities.
   The reason the Russians are training to attack the United States is
   because the Russians are planning a devastating first strike attack
 on
   the United States.  A military force trains to fight in the scenario
   that is most immediate and likely.  Those "impotent" Russians just
   carried out a massive military exercise in which NATO forces are
   attacked and the United States of America is hit my multiple warhead
   nuclear weapons fired from Russian bombers!  If you don't get it yet,
 go
   to the back of the class and review the heretofore unheeded warnings
 top
   Russian defector Colonel Lunev has repeatedly sounded about Russian
   intentions for the West.
 
   We now have troops and military assets spread all over the world, and
 an
   arsenal of conventional weapons that has been vastly depleted.  So
 what
   did we really accomplish in our "victory" over Kosovo?  Well, latest
   reports show only 3 damaged tanks have been found and the majority of
   Milosovic's MIG air force is intact:  His "destroyed" forces went
 flying
   and driving back to Belgrade.
 
   How can that be, you ask?  Well, it's an old WWII trick, but most of
   those targets hit by the vaunted NATO pilots flying at 500 knots and
   15,000 feet up were wooden dummies set out to make it look like
 NATO's
   air attack was actually accomplishing something.  We now know that,
 had
   Clinton sent in ground troops, the NATO body bag count could have
 been
   catastrophic.
 
   As it turns out, Milosovic remains in power along with most of his
   military might.  The Russians moved into Kosovo ahead of NATO in a
   lightning move, taking over the airport and preparing it for receipt
 of
   another 2,000 Russian troops, so NATO can't even claim a complete
   takeover of the immediate objective!  And then there's that pompous
   chump, NATO "Supreme Commander", (supreme Clinton brown-noser),
 Wesley
   Clark on CNN, trying to put the best face on it by saying NATO really
   didn't need that silly airport anyway.  He sounded like a shocked,
   babbling and out-matched chess player who just lost his queen in the
   first three moves.  I couldn't stop laughing, and I am ashamed to say
 I
   was rooting for the Russians.
 
   But that's not all.  We now have an imminent military crisis between
   North and South Korea and between India and Pakistan -- and both
   threaten to be nuclear military crises.  So here we have our depleted
   military spread all over the globe, armed with a depleted
 conventional
   arsenal, and the Russians are training to attack us.  Does anyone
   remember the full 

Re: [CTRL] Fw: [TheEagle-L] Fwd: Amphibeous humanoids spawned the Merovingians?

1999-07-06 Thread Ric Carter

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- Original Message -
From: Nicky Molloy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [CTRL] Fw: [TheEagle-L] Fwd: Amphibeous humanoids spawned the
Merovingians?


 Clinton is supposed to be descended from the French Kings. I don't know
 enough about this to know if its right but I think prob some reptoid got
 into the royalty (I hope the Irish escaped the curse!) at some time.

 -Original Message-
 From: Alan DeWalton [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I recieved the following info, and thought I would pass it along...

 The Merovingians are genetically connected to the Amphibious Reptilians.

All humans are related to all other humans.  Except for groups that
have been geographically isolated for a couple millennia, every human
on the planet can point to some common ancestry within the last one
to two thousand years.  If you have ANY European ancestry, then you
almost certainly have Merovingian kin; and if they're reptoid, then
so are you.  Billy J. Clinton and the Bush boys have common ancestors
just a few generations back; but they have probably 10,000 'cousins'
with the same linkage, very few of whom are prominent in ANYTHING.

Which goes to show: just 'cause you're reptoid, don't mean you're a
hot fart on a cold day.  A-huuk ptui...

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[CTRL] ... relationships ...

1999-07-06 Thread Peter L. Sroufe

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... "relationships" ...

Source:  Media Bypass, June 1999, page 19
  (The Uncensored National News)

Bonacci"s Story--

One of the most heart-rendering parts of the court transcript is the
testimony of Paul A. Bonacci, the mind-control victim survivor, on whose
behalf DeCamp sued Lawrence E. King.

Bonacci testified that King took him on many trips to Washington, D.C.,
Kansas City, Chicago, Minnesota and Los Angeles, where he prostituted the
kidnapped and drugged youngster to the rich and famous -- and depraved.

Bonacci said that "one person I'm not afraid to talk about because Larry
King always said him and this guy were on opposite ends of the field because
this guy was a Democrat and Larry King was a Republican ...  And this guy --
every time I see him on TV, my wife knows my hatred for him ...  His name is
Barney Frank."

When asked if he had "relationships" with him, Bonacci replied, "In
Washington, D.C.
And also I was sent to a house, I believe it was in Massachusetts in Boston
where I believe it was his house because there's pictures on the wall with
him and different people and stuff, that he had met I guess, but it was in
his basement."

Suffering from Multiple Personality Disorder, currently called
Dissassociative Identity Disorder (DID), Bonacci testified that as one of
his alters called Wesley, he lured Johnny Gosch into the van when he was
kidnapped.

"I went up to him, asked him [Gosch] a question," said Bonacci.  "At that
point he was close enough to the car where Tony [another kidnapper] had
pulled up in the van and they pushed him in the car and they had a rag with
chloroform in the bag that they had us stick over his face.  And then put it
back in the bag after he was out ...  We drove several miles ... we met up
with a station wagon and a van several times".

After switching vehicles and changing direction, the kidnapping of Johnny
Gosch was over.

end of excerpt---

Folks, The main article starts on page 18, and is entitled
"Mind Control Victim Awarded $1 Million", by Uri Dowbenko

"U.S. government mind control programs, like MK-Ultra and Monarch, directed
against helpless victims -- human guinea pigs -- have been virtually ignored
by the Big Media Cartel.

On Feb.27, 1999, however, U.S. District Court Judge Warren Urbom found
former SL manager Lawrence E. King guilty of numerous crimes committed
against mind control victim Paul A. Bonacci."

-

I highly recommend you purchase this issue of Media Bypass to read the
entire article;  truly horrifying.

"They use these kids to sexually compromise politicians or anyone else they
wish to have control of ...", page 19

Immorality is not limited to our WH.

http://www.4bypass.com/
To subscribe:  1-800-4BYPASS
$29.95 for an Annual subscription.
(Seems the Website is being upgraded;  try back soon.)

Well worth it, Folks.

My Heart goes out to those Parents concerned about the whereabouts of their
Children.


Bard

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Re: [CTRL] The Broeder Bond

1999-07-06 Thread Andrew Hennessey

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The Broeder Bond allegedly meet at Ruiport, in a geographical locality
which is exactly centre of that part of Africa.
There is allegedly a big decision making centre there on land owned by
deBeers, and strangely enough an incredible archaeological site of a long
vanished african people.
Next to the ops centre is a massive jutting rock called the finger of
Kuriman, and all around it - laid out in the desert plain are patterns of
boulders.
On each boulder is painted a creature - and some of these were extinct a
long time ago.
Elsewhere in South Africa, the head, eyes etc of Kuriman turn up with
geographical precision.

Andrew Hennessey

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[CTRL] Fluoride II

1999-07-06 Thread Steve Wingate

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--- Forwarded Message Follows ---
Date sent:  Mon, 05 Jul 1999 16:16:51 -0700
From:   David Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Fluoride II

Post Number 102: Fluoridation Part II
As is usual, I given many different views on the subject after sending out the
first Post on fluoride.  People are so programmed that it is incredible; they
simply do not have any ability to think today.  If they are told something, they
believe.  No need to investigate; they wouldn’t lie to us… would they?

But that is exactly the question; would “they” lie to you?

On the other hand, I did receive some excellent comments on the subject,
and it is obvious that a few people, at least, are waking up.  As you are
reading the following, please keep in mind what this information reveals
about the mind-set in Washington, DC.  Perhaps within this information you
will begin to see how useless your efforts to petition Washington, DC,
really are, and perhaps you can then come to see the real solutions.
David

David; I have worked in the water treatment industry since 1980.  In the
military we added hydrofluorosilic acid to the water to flouridate it.
Hydrofluorosilic acid is VERY CORROSIVE. the fumes alone etch glass.
The
MSDS on it says it is a cancer causing chemical.   The SPADS reagent
used
to test the amount of fluoride in the water is just as dangerous. It is
interesting to note also that I am also diagnosed as Manic Bipolar a
"mental disorder".  I wonder if my exposure to this chemical in the
military had anything to do with my condition today.  Who knows what the
chlorine, lime, Aluminum Sulfate, Ortho Phospates have done. The Whip


(For the following, Steve, I thank you, and so does everyone else!
David)
excellent summary, I think.   Steve
http://www.trufax.org/fluoride/mullenix.html
Phyllis J. Mullenix, Ph.D.
P.O. Box 753  Andover, Massachusetts 01810-3347
May 5, 1999

BSA Environmental Services
21403 Chagrin Blvd,  Suite 101  Beechwood, Ohio 44122

Re: Request for information on drinking water fluoridation
Dear Drs. Romoser-Breno and Beaver:
The April 15th request for comments regarding water fluoridation is
vague in that no assurances are offered as to how my written opinion
will be used.  Thus, a copy of this letter will be send to Mr. Gilbert
Gonzales at Fort Detrick.  Without the benefit of having read the
"Environmental Assessment" report to which you have referred to in your
letter, I run the risk of being redundant with regard to the material
already prepared. With these caveats, I offer the following comments about
water fluoridation.

To start, I must correct a statement you made in your letter regarding my
being an "expert on drinking water fluoridation issues."  Prior to 1982, my
knowledge of fluoride was limited to television commercials which said it
was good for my teeth.  Rather, my expertise was detection of
neurotoxicity, which brought me to the Department of Psychiatry at Boston's
Children's Hospital and Neuropathology at the Harvard Medical School.  It
was there I met Dr.Jack Hein, Director of the Forsyth Dental Center and the
scientist responsible for putting monofluorophosphate (MFP) into
toothpaste.  Dr. Hein was a student of Dr. Harold Hodge, the chief
pharmacologist on the Manhattan Atomic Bomb Project who conducted
with world-renowned studies on fluoride (1) and started water fluoridation.
Dr. Hein invited me to Forsyth to study the neurotoxic potential of materials
that dentists use, starting with fluoride, and we set up the first toxicology
department in any dental research institution in the world. I was made Head
of the department, and Dr. Hodge moed to Boston and became a member
of my department where he stayed until his death in 1990. Another
Manhattan Project scientist and fluoride researcher, Dr. Ben Amdur, also
joined the department.

My investigations of the neurotoxicity of fluoride started in 1987. Using a
new computer pattern recognition system capable of a sensitivity and
objectivity other behavioral measures did not possess, we studied an
animal model first developed for the study of dental fluorosis. Frankly, we
expected to find nothing.  The results from the first experiment we thought
must be wrong, so we kept repeating the study with more animals, different
doses, sexes, ages and methods of administration. Like quicksand, every
effort we made sank us further into the realization that brain function was
impacted by fluoride. Scientific integrity dictated that we publish our results
(2,3), but the fact that we were employed as a dental research institution
made us "weak at the knees" to do so.

In our 1995 paper (2), we reported that brain function was vulnerable to
fluoride, and that the effects on behavior depended on the age of exposure
and that fluoride accumulated in brain tissues.  Rats exposed as adults
displayed behavior-specific changes typical of cognitive 

Re: [CTRL] is USA Trillions in debt ????

1999-07-06 Thread Ric Carter

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- Original Message -
From: Andrew Hennessey [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Someone at our Transformation Group said that the US was trillions in
 debt and that Clinton has promised to pay it back in 15 years 

 is this true ?? -- I thought that the American Financial system was
 incredibly good !!

 Whats the truth then ??

All true.  The US nat'l debt IS at about US$5 tln now; it was around
US$1 tln when Reagan took office and around US$4 tln when Bush left,
so they managed to spend quite a bit.  And the projected revenues DO
allow for paying it all off, if Congress doesn't vote for humungeous
tax relief for the wealthy - at which point it would be possible to
eliminate income taxes, financing the US gov't entirely by tariffs
and duties, like maybe a fee on every item of personal data a gov't
agency sells to private concerns.  "Nothing's certain but death and
taxes" - so if taxes go away, can death be far behind? Get ready for
immortality.  Of course, the telepathic giant squids who exercise
effective mind-control over Congress could mess things up for us...

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[CTRL] AANews

1999-07-06 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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Does anyone know of an atheist who has taken a shotgun and gone on a
Christian killing spree?  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] FW: Treatment of Women in Afghanistan

1999-07-06 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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In a message dated 07/05/1999 11:03:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Everyone has a right to a tolerable human existence, even if they are
  women in a Muslim country. If we can threaten military force in Kosovo in
 the name of human rights for the sake of ethnic Albanians, citizens of  the
 world can certainly express peaceful outrage at  the oppression, murder and
  injustice committed against women by the Taliban. 

There's no question that it is true; however please don't think that women in
a Muslim country are treated in this way.  The Taliban are not true Muslims.
Mohammed liked and respected women.  His instructions to them were that a
woman should cover her hair, her arms and draw her robe across her bosom when
abroad among strangers.  The Koran has a long list of male relatives before
whom she need not cover.  The Taliban have invented a religion of their own.
 It is not unusual in this world for men to take their principal pleasure in
the ill treatment of women.  The Taliban are just a society of that kind of
men.  One of Mohammed's wives was an Imam.  He would never have approved of
the Taliban's treatment of their women.  Mass suicide among Taliban women
would not change the minds of their sadistic oppressors, but it would at
least prevent descendents from carrying on the heresy.  Prudy

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[CTRL] Brits Reap Gun Control Rewards

1999-07-06 Thread flw

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Brits love to preach about their draconian gun control laws.

Over the past several weeks a celebrated TV newswoman was
shot on her front step. Several armed car jackings in London with
AK 47's and of course the rate of "home invasion" burglaries is 5x's
the rate in the US.
flw

THE TIMES
July 7 1999  BRITAIN
Innocents at risk as drug gangs go to war with guns

BY DANIEL MCGRORY

A SPATE of murders on crowded London streets has provoked fears of a summer
war between rival drug gangs.
The latest victim - 20-year-old Dean Roberts - was murdered by two men with
handguns in a busy suburban road. They did not try to disguise their
identities.

Witnesses were, as usual, too frightened to say anything to police, who
increased armed patrols last night amid fears of revenge attacks.

Eight people have been killed in as many weeks - all victims of what
detectives described as "gangland-style executions".

Appeals for calm by Scotland Yard brought scorn last night from many
community leaders, who fear that innocent bystanders may be caught in the
worsening feuds.One leader in South London said: "You don't have as many
shootings as this without people getting scared. Most incidents go
unreported unless there is a corpse, but the level of violence has never
been worse.

"We need to know how it is that with ever more stringent gun laws, these
gangs can get hold of weapons so easily."

Chief Superintendent Paul Green said: "London is a safe city and people do
not need to fear leaving their homes."

After a gunfight at the weekend outside a pub in Hoxton, East London,
police found nine cars with bullet holes. There were bloodstains in many of
them, but they had been abandoned by the time armed officers arrived.

Two of the victims were later traced to a hospital near by. They had driven
themselves to the accident and emergency department but refused to say how
they had been wounded.Police could find no witnesses to what one officer
said "must have been a massive and very noisy gun battle".

The murder of Mr Roberts in Harlesden was the fourth killing in that area
of northwest London in recent weeks. It came after a weekend of violence
and less than three weeks after Scotland Yard created a new task force to
tackle violent Jamaican "Yardie" drug gangs.

The reason for the killings was drugs, but not all the victims were drug
dealers, detectives said. There are thought to be a number of rival gangs
involved in the feuds on both sides of the Thames. One senior officer said:
"With every victim and every incident, you get the seeds of revenge. There
are so many guns in the hands of these people that the opportunity for them
to cause more violence is immense."

Security sources say there are more guns than ever in the hands of
low-level drug dealers who have little fear of using them. Among the most
recent attacks was that of a 23-year-old man shot in the head as he sat at
the wheel of his car, chatting to another motorist, in Clapham, South
London. Two masked men walked up to him and fired at least ten times. They
calmly walked away as women ran from their homes to help. Police refuse to
name the victim, who is under guard in hospital.

It is thought that among other drug war victims was a mother, Laverne
Forbes, who was murdered last month with her partner, Patrick Smith, in
front of her seven-year-old daughter.

Police believe that the 28-year-old was shot simply because she had seen a
drug gang at work in Tottenham, North London.

A Yard spokesman said: "With so many incidents, detectives are trying to
establish any links between them and also incidents in recent weeks outside
London."

Police have linked two murders in South London last month. In the first,
Alexander Junior Ero, 30, was found dying on the stairs of a tower block.
He had been stabbed in the abdomen. Four days later police found the body
of Andrew Burke, 27, in the boot of a car that had been set alight in
Lewisham, southeast London.

There is evidence that many shootings go unreported. Police were recently
called to a South London club that had been peppered with gunshots. There
were bloodstains on the walls and floor and yet all of those crowded inside
insisted that nothing had happened.

The Yardie gangs often use restaurants, clubs and taxi firms as a front for
their drug dealing empires. Their armouries consist of automatic weapons,
including Uzi and Mach 10 sub-machineguns as well as pistols.

A favoured weapon of late is the 9mm machine pistol known as the "spray and
pray", which can "squirt" 20 rounds a second.

Official figures disclose the escalating violence of the drug gangs. Of the
160 murders in London in 1997, 41 of the victims were black and 18 were
shot. All those shootings were thought to have been by Yardie gangs. In the
two years from 1996 to 1998, guns were fired 291 times in London.

A senior officer involved in the investigations said that witnesses were
always hard to find.

"The problem is that even the victims of 

Re: [CTRL] THE CITY

1999-07-06 Thread Lloyd Miller

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Read any standard history of Britain or the British Empire.

Subject: Re: THE CITY


If somebody asked for proof of the existence of this city, what could one
say in just a few words?
FWP.

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Re: [CTRL] ime: Clinton Approves CIA Role

1999-07-06 Thread TenebrousT

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In a message dated 7/6/99 3:24:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

 NEW YORK (AP) - President Clinton has authorized the CIA to help topple
  Yugoslavia's President Slobodan Milosevic, Time magazine reports today.
  
  CIA computer hackers will try to meddle with Milosevic's private financial
  transactions and electronically siphon funds from his overseas bank
  accounts,

  What's fair for the goose ... If Red China has PROMIS software, maybe next
  we'll find out that all the electronic deposits headed for the US treasury
  are now in Beijing ...


Well, and good, but there is one question that troubles me.  Why would all of
these countries be given this software, UNLESS it had the backdoor in it so
that anything they did we could undo?

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Re: [CTRL] CDC Cooking the Books

1999-07-06 Thread TenebrousT

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 ``It's been amazing with the CDC how much some of the scientists are
  concerned more about politics than science. They want to protect their
  careers. That's why they put forth the token effort,'' asserts Kim Kenney,
  executive director of the Chronic Fatigue and Immune Dysfunction Syndrome
  Association of America.

This, of course is the problem with all of sciencedom.  Or is that
sciencedumb?

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Re: [CTRL] Fear of China Revives Philippine-US Alliance

1999-07-06 Thread TenebrousT

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 WASHINGTON (AP) - Eight years after the Philippines ordered a shutdown of
  American military bases on its soil, Filipino concern over Chinese actions
 in
  the South China Sea is leading to a partial revitalization of
  U.S.-Philippines military ties.

Could be that the continued support of China by this country is just an
effort to reestablish ourselves in the Philippines and other areas in the
South pacific.  It seems to me that this is something that the US wants,
especially since the failure (?) in Vietnam.

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[CTRL] Police rob and kill (fwd.)

1999-07-06 Thread TenebrousT

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Forwarded from another.  Take a look.


Ray, the editorial from the Atlanta
Journal-Constitution is more of the
fool-the-public writing which is endemic in the
country as part of the ongoing campaign to confuse
us rather than truly inform us.

First, to say that Scott was shot dead by "a
sheriff's deputy serving an early-morning search
warrant" continues the obfuscation about these
raids.  As you and others on forced altruism know,
what actually happens is that in the middle of the
night, when people are asleep, a gang of ninjas
breaks through the doors and immediately assumes
aggression against the occupants.  Anyone who
reasonably acts to try and defend themselves
against these sudden intruders is killed.  This
not infrequently occurs as the result of police
informers, which has led to police action against
completely innocent people, sometimes even at the
wrong address.

However, the real travesty is how all of this
continues to be presented to the public.  Henry
Hyde, like most other federal dishonorables, got
his turn to try and fool us into thinking that he
cares about our rights and privacy.  Most of the
time, this sort of thing is purely fodder for the
public, knowing all along that the bill won't pass
both House and Senate.

When something does pass, however, it is usually
just another form of federal dictate in territory
where they are not supposed to be in the first
place.  We the People all over the political
spectrum will continue to use examples like this
to pretend that there is a rational debate of
sorts going on, which ignores plain reality.

It is 100% true as you highlighted, "If true,
Ramstad's warning is all the more reason to reform
the law. IF CONFISCATIONS ARE OCCURRING ON SUCH A
SCALE AS TO BE A PRIME SOURCE OF FUNDING FOR LOCAL
POLICE, THIS THING HAS GOTTEN WAY OUT OF HAND.
[Emphasis mine. -RT]"

The main problem is that what we are being sold on
is "reform" because things have "gotten out of
hand".  Instead, we should be getting rid of this
abomination entirely.  The fact that these police
powers were "passed during the first Reagan
administration as part of the war on drugs" is
very important to getting beyond the rhetoric of
politics.

Clinton opposes the reform.  I bet Bush does too.
And Gore.  And of course, local law enforcement
wouldn't want to be reformed.  All people who have
profited from the drug war, legally and illegally,
while hurting millions of people in the process
not to mention trashing our supposed
constitutional republic, based on natural rights
and limited government.

As Mike Ruppert says, "Covert operations are
driven by economics (money) -- not politics
(spin).  Congress, the Cabinet, the major
media and even the White House have come here for
a reality check when they can't separate
themselves from their own spin."
http://www.copvcia.com/

Instead of just saying no to drugs, we should've
just been saying no to the intrusions of federal
power first.  Since we did not, and the same
people were pushing drugs who were also telling us
that we needed a War on Drugs, we continue to
finance the destruction of liberty.  There is no
"reform" that will change that fact.

Virginia

Message: 1
   Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 09:18:31 PDT
   From: Ray Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Police Rob and Kill

POLICE ROB AND KILL

Forced Altruism List 7/5/99
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This came from  Keith Nobles
[EMAIL PROTECTED], moderator of the
"Keith's Forum Against The Man" List. Contact him
if you're interested in
subscribing. This story is an excellent example of
why we need to completely
DO AWAY WITH RICO LAWS. They are an abomination
and are unconstitutional if
anyone would take the time and effort (and the
money) to challenge them in
an honest court (rather than one of the courts
where judges rule based on
current liberal ideas). The day has come when you
wonder whether that red
light in your mirror means you're going to get a
ticket or be robbed. When
the police become bandits, we're lost. When they
"target" someone's property
and even have it APPRAISED before the raid. they
can no longer be called
police, but bandits with badges.

RAY THOMA$


REIN IN POLICE RAIDS FOR PROFIT

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, p. E-6
July 4, 1999 Lead Editorial

On Oct. 22, 1992, 61-year-old Donald Scott was
shot dead in his own home by
a sheriff's deputy serving an early-morning search
warrant on Scott's ranch
in Ventura County, Calif. No drugs were found, and
the local district
attorney later determined that the search warrant
had been obtained by using
false evidence.

So why was the raid undertaken?

The district attorney's investigation determined
that the deadly raid "was
motivated, at least in part, by a desire to seize
and forfeit the ranch for
the government." Before the raid occurred,
deputies had gone so far as to
get an appraisal of the $5 million ranch, which
they hoped to confiscate for

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