[CTRL] FW: [piml] CLINTON OBSESSED WITH 14-YEAR-OLD GIRL: REPOST [Free Republic]
-Caveat Lector- Bard -Original Message- From: Carolyn Hart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 3:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [piml] CLINTON OBSESSED WITH 14-YEAR-OLD GIRL: REPOST [Free Republic] Strange story--what 55-year-old President would write that many letters to an eighth grade girl? Gives one the creeps. Carolyn Tuesday, July 6, 1999 L O C A L N E W S Local News Index | Local News Archives C-J Extra | The Courier-Journal Home Page Loyal young friend cherishes Clinton's personal letters to her By MICHAEL QUINLAN, The Courier-Journal LEXINGTON, Ky. -- Meghan Johnson, 14, stood in the bright sun at Blue Grass Airport yesterday morning next to local politicians and business leaders waiting to greet President Clinton, who was making a stop on his way to Eastern Kentucky. Meghan, a soon-to-be-freshman at Madison Central High School, was wearing a T-shirt that said, "First Pen Pal," and she held another T-shirt for Clinton. Printed on the back were the words: "Meghan's Pen Pal." Meghan and the president have been exchanging letters since she met him on the campaign trail in 1996, during a stop in Ashland. Since then, Clinton has written the Richmond girl 35 letters. When Clinton walked off Air Force One, he gave Meghan a hug that she would later call the "presidential gut squisher." Clinton then looked at his present and burst out laughing, and he had one of his photographers snap a picture of him holding it up. Clinton chatted for three or four minutes with Meghan and her parents, Keith and Mary Johnson of Richmond, before boarding a helicopter to fly to Jackson County. The blossoming of this unlikely friendship has meant a trip to the Oval Office for Meghan and her family, and for a boy she knew who was dying of cancer. It has led to gifts from Clinton. But what Meghan treasures most are the letters -- like the two-page letter he wrote her two days before the House voted to impeach him, when he thanked her for being a loyal friend. And lastly, the friendship involves one heck of a fish story. More on that later. The first meeting came in Ashland during Clinton's railroad train campaign swing. Meghan had seen Hillary Clinton at a Lexington bookstore earlier that year. Her parents thought it would be a good experience for her to see the president, too, to "give me something to talk about when I grow up." Meghan was at the rally holding a sign that said, "I'm a Kid for Clinton," when Clinton pointed her out to a Secret Service agent and had her brought on stage. Later, backstage, Meghan gave Clinton a letter she'd written him that included a $4 donation. Clinton wrote her a letter thanking her for the donation and her letter. Meghan was so impressed that she named her new betta fish "Bill," in honor of the president. Then she wrote a speech for her 4-H class about how she came to name her fish after the president. She won a blue ribbon for the speech and wrote Clinton telling him about it. He wrote her back and invited her and her parents to the Oval Office, where they listened to him deliver one of his radio addresses and then "hung out with him for about 20 minutes," Meghan said. They kept up the letter-writing. Meghan would write Clinton about her family and friends and her interest in playing the flute. She said that Clinton would sometimes write about current events, but mainly it was about his interest in playing the saxophone and other personal things that Meghan refuses to discuss. "We write about our love of music," Meghan said. "I told him that when he's done being president that we need to make a CD together, with me on the flute and him on the saxophone." Meghan said that Clinton has confided in her and discussed personal things, but she steadfastly refuses to discuss any of the details. "He has a wonderful sense of humor, I can say that," Meghan said. "But I wouldn't feel right talking about the personal things." Meghan said that Clinton came through like a true friend when one of Meghan's friends developed bone cancer in 1997. Meghan asked Clinton to write her friend, and he did. Meghan's friend's cancer is now in remission. But there was another child at the same hospital who was suffering greatly. Meghan wrote to Clinton about the boy, and Clinton invited the boy and his family to the White House. The boy has since died. "President Clinton has really been a friend to me," Meghan said. "He's very thoughtful." Mary Johnson said her daughter was disappointed with Clinton over his affair with Monica Lewinsky. But her loyalty never wavered, she said: "Meghan said that
Re: [CTRL] Gun Control: Learn a Lesson from Australia's Mistake (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Source: TheOrator.com Published: July 7 1999 Author: Steve Stakem Learn a Lesson from Australia's Mistake: Say 'No' to More Gun Control Steve Stakem TheOrator.com With the antigun lobby losers after the US House of Representatives failed to pass any of their own, and the Senate's, suggested gun control measures, now seems like the time to remind people how lucky we are because of that. Surely the Clintons, McCarthys, O'Donnells and Shalalas of this world aren't about to shut their traps after the defeat of the proposals they supported. Alas they will scream and holler right into the 2000 general elections, trying once again to chip away at your individual liberty. They will do it for safety. They will do it for the children. It's at times like this, with the gun issue about to heat up again, to point out a story like Australia's. The most recent of the most civilized countries in the world to pass strict gun laws have yet to see a decrease in gun-related criminal activity. All this despite the claims of the know-better public officials who said, "less guns means less crime." Australia's gun measures have turned out to be a complete failure. Read the rest about Australian crime increases at-- http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3783b391075b.htm = Kaddish, Kaddish, Kaddish, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] question about Y2K dates
-Caveat Lector- On Wed, 7 Jul 1999, Jeff Russo wrote: I suspect a whole lot of people dying... and a healthy dose of additional government power for the survivors to deal with. I don't know about the former (unless you mean the sick, elderly, and infants, etc., due to power/heat/water problems), but the latter is for sure! = Kaddish, Kaddish, Kaddish, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Freeee-do-o-o-m!!!
-Caveat Lector- Freedom, for those who can afford it -- the best freedom money can buy. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Scientists Offer Explanation for A...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-07-07 17:27:38 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The correct term for this sleep paralysis "phenomena" is cataplectic [sp] hallucinations. Cataleptic. In the hypnotically induced "cataleptic" state, sometimes called the "somnambulistic" state, open-eyed hallucinations --including "negative hallucination," i.e., NOT perceiving what one has been instructed not to see, hear or feel-- can be produced in the subject. Automaton-like behavior is another sign of this state. One term for this particular psychological state, when occurring spontaneously, is "psychopompic" -- from "psychopomp(os)," Greek for the Guide that leads the soul between this world and the next, as was thought to occur in dreams and "dreamlike" trance states. In the psychopompic state, the phenomenon called "waking dreams" sometimes occurs -- the sleeper's mind awake but usually --important detail-- WITH EYES STILL CLOSED, from fear or unexplained paralysis, while peculiar PHYSICAL sensations --such as being invisibly touched, or gripped strongly-- are experienced. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Yugoslav Monarchists Anti-Milosevic
-Caveat Lector- from alt.talk.royalty Subject: Re: Romanian restoration, Yugoslavia etc. (was Re: Upcoming Royal Noble Births) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 06 July 1999 04:29 PM EDT Message-id: 7ltou2$od9$[EMAIL PROTECTED] In article #h#Lbv0x#[EMAIL PROTECTED], Marlene A Koenig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although it would be wonderful, Crown Prince Alexander will not be restored. The opposition coalition in Serbia has a strong monarchist aspect. In 1997, Vuk Draskovic, head of the Serbian Renewal Movement (a pro-monarchy party and part of the opposition bloc) was the opposition's presidential candidate. In that year, he said, referring to the Crown Prince, "Serbia needs a Juan Carlos - and he is here in London!" More recently, Vuk was Serbia's Deputy Prime Minister, appointed to appease the opposition. He was recently fired, I believe, for disagreeing with Slobo over something. If Slobo is ousted in the near future (a distinct likelihood), and a coalition of opposition parties takes over, Vuk Draskovic and people like him are certain to be prominent in it. I think Dag is right when he says that a restoration is a more immediate possibility in Yugoslavia than in any of the other Balkan states. --- J.M.K. Subject: Re: Romanian restoration, Yugoslavia etc. (was Re: Upcoming Royal Noble Births) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 07 July 1999 03:06 PM EDT Message-id: 7m08fd$lcs$[EMAIL PROTECTED] In article O1khBhGy#[EMAIL PROTECTED], Marlene A Koenig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dag - sadly - Alexander's chances are barely minimal at best - he doesn't have support of the Allied nations, for example. When he was in the USA recently, he received no real press coverage - nor have there been articles in the US media about his recent visit to Montenegro, although the British papers did cover it. A couple months ago, my parents hosted a reception at their house for U.S. Presidential candidate Bob Smith (a conservative Catholic candidate). I, of course, was present, and took the opportunity to corner both of his aides who were present and discuss the Balkans with them. In the course of our discussion, I brought up the Yugoslavian Royal Family and Yugoslavian monarchism. I made my point about the advantages of a restoration in Yugoslavia. The aides were decidedly skeptical about this at first - clearly, it is not in the nature of American politicians to even consider monarchy. But, as I gave my arguments concerning the success of other restorations (Spain and Cambodia, for example), the personal popularity of the Crown Prince, and the success of the Prince's recent appearances on Larry King Live and CNN Talk Back Live (I gave them a transcript of the latter), I could tell that I was having some effect on them. A Karageorgevic restoration may not be "on the agenda" for NATO, but it is certainly not something they would oppose should the question come up. --- J.M.K. Subject: Re: Serbia vs Yugoslavia From: Dag T. Hoelseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 07 July 1999 02:14 AM EDT Message-id: 7lur7m$3vf$[EMAIL PROTECTED] In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David) wrote: Yugoslavia is no more - now down to just Serbia and Montenegro. Serbia and Montenegro are republics of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. Yugoslavia is today not what it used to be, but it still is Yugoslavia. Montenegro has its own royal family. Will the Royal Family of Yugoslvia call itself the Royal House of Serbia? At Crown Prince Alexander's website you can read "of Yugoslavia and Serbia"... The Crown Prince regards himself as pretender to both thrones, being united in 1918 (though by force). It is difficult to know whether Crown prince Nikola has any serious pretensions about the Montenegrin throne or not, since he has made few public statements. Dag T. Hoelseth DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: FL800: The Got-Away Boat -- FBI LIES!
-Original Message-From: Ian Goddard [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Thursday, July 08, 1999 1:35 AMSubject: FL800: The Got-Away BoatOver a year ago, TWA 800 Case Files [*] broke the story of a boat shown in the official NTSB report to have been approximately below the Flight 800 crash speeding away from the crash scene at 30 knots SSW out to deep sea, which is very fast for a large boat. Radar-horizon calculations show the boat to be about 60 ft in height, and thus it is more like a ship. The FBI has since conceded its existence, but, while they did say their search for missile-firing suspects had left no stone unturned, they now tell us that they failed to identify this boat captured on radar speeding away from the crash scene at a rate matching top speeds of most Navy ships. So a large ship simply got away, and, except for the known radar tracks, miraculously evaded the myriad tracking systems(including IR-video satellite and Navy systems)that covered the area. Will wonders never cease?![*] http://www.multipull.com/twacasefile/boat.html Here then, from The New York Observer, is the latest on the unidentified fleeing ship tracked below FLT800:===http://www.observer.com/pages/frontpage6.htm The New York Observer (7/12/99, page 1)Radar Shows 'Getaway Boat' Fleeing Flight 800 Crash by Philip WeissThe third anniversary of the crash of Trans World Airlines Flight 800 is July 17, so it's a good time to look into what even the Government reluctantly concedes is a mystery about the crash: the 30-knot track. The 30-knot track is the radar trail of a boat that was the closest vessel to the 747 when it exploded and that then headed out to sea on a beeline from right under the burning wreckage.That boat is extremely suspect, said William S. Donaldson, a retired Navy commander who supports the missile theory of the plane's destruction. He not only doesn't turn to render assistance, he runs.It's like the getaway car, said Graeme Sephton, an electrical engineer who is active in an Internet researchers organization that is highly critical of the Federal investigation.The Government doesn't think the unidentified boat is such a big deal. It does not intrigue me, said Peter Goelz, the National Transportation Safety Board managing director. F.B.I. spokesman Joseph Valiquette added, In an ideal world, it would be nice to know everything, but I don't think the F.B.I. or the N.T.S.B. claims to know everything that happened in the crash.This is a convenient position for the F.B.I. to adopt now. The most unsettling thing about the 30-knot track is that the F.B.I. essentially suppressed knowledge of it when the crash was foremost on the public agenda. Two years ago, the F.B.I. closed its criminal investigation into the crash, and James Kallstrom, then the lead F.B.I. investigator, testified before Congress that the agency's exhaustive efforts had included tracking of all air and waterborne vessels in the area at the time of the explosion followed by appropriate interviews.Mr. Kallstrom later held a lengthy press conference saying that agents had left no stone unturned. He went into great detail about suspicious boats.Who is there in the water? Who could be escaping in any direction? he said. We identified 371 vessels in the Long Island area and did investigation on those vessels. For the one-month period, we identified 20,000 records of vessels that entered New York Harbor and did an investigation of those vessels. The F.B.I. even seized some boats to inspect the flooring for burns characteristic of backfire from a shoulder-fired rocket.Mr. Kallstrom's press conference was aimed at discrediting the missile theory, and it worked. In an editorial titled Conspiracy Inoculation, The New York Times congratulated him for an extraordinary performance. The F.B.I. had shared its voluminous evidence with admirable thoroughness and openness.The closing of the criminal investigation allowed the N.T.S.B. to hold hearings on the crash, one month later, where it offered hundreds of exhibits, a few of which depicted a 30-knot track 10 miles out in the Atlantic. Radar data collected during the last minute of the T.W.A. flight revealed the two closest objects to the plane, both between three and four miles away, as a Navy P-3 airplane and what the exhibit called simply a 30-knot target. Radar data for the next 20 minutes showed the mystery boat heading on a beeline out to sea, on a south-southwest course, even as other boats rushed to the crash to try to help out. It was nearly 9 o'clock at night, not the usual time for an excursion.I looked at that and said, 'Wow, what is that guy doing leaving the scene?' Commander Donaldson said. And of course I assumed he was identified.Commander Donaldson called Steve Bongardt, an F.B.I. agent and fellow Navy veteran who was active in the
[CTRL] Fw: Santa Thesis.htm
-Original Message-From: Samuel E. Konkin [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: William R. Cousert [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 11:12 PMSubject: Re: Santa Thesis.htmToo hard to read all the way through; it could definitely use a few paragraph breaks. But in answer to your first question, you are completely correct that the apparatus of the State cannot accomplish anything; important work of that sort is always contracted out to the Private Sector. And as far as keep[ing[ it quiet . . . hello? Quiet? Where have you been living? No, the Power Elite operates openly but denigrates anyone who takes notice as unbalanced or out of the loop or paranoid or (if it has to do with their banking operations) anti-semitic or their favourite meaningless term of dismissal, extremist (an extremist is, apparently, one who has retaining a shred of principle). Freely as ever, SEK3 William R. Cousert wrote: A thesis inspired by the sweeping anti government paranoia in this great nation by militias and JFK conspiracy theorists (I'll say it again, if the government can't deliver the mail and get taxes straight, how could they keep a cover-up like that quiet?), and my personal disdain for the late Sen. Joe Macarthy of Wisconsin, and his side show buddy tricky Dick Nixon. Sit back and relax, and enjoy the insanity. This is what happens when people draw conclusions and relations between innocuous and unrelated things. Santa Claus Was An Agent Of The USSR During The Cold WarIn the grand tradition of McCarthyism and the paranoid communists and evil government agents under the bed mentality, I, Joseph Iungerman, do accuse Santa Claus of being a former agent of the former Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. As a result of Gorbachev's Glasnost and the recent global warming which brought an end to the cold war (That's why the cold war ended, it got warmer, communism didn't collapse!), KGB files have become open to the public. When common sense, a knowledge of Soviet doctrine and policy are tied together, Santa Claus' seditious crimes against the people of this nation become readily apparent. Allow me to begin my prosecution of this Saint Nick by means of comparison with the USSR. The official color of the USSR was RED, not blue or gold, but RED. What color did Santa Claus always dress in? Never saw him in black did you? What color was Rudolph's nose?( a symbol for the other workers to follow and aspire to) RED! Soviet Soldiers, and KGB agents were always dressed in fur to stay warm. Hm? So was Santa Claus! In fact, His name is Nicholas. Nicholas is a Russian name. But wait, it gets worse. Doesn't Santa Claus look like Karl Marx!!!??? Communist society was deigned as a means to create a classless socialist society where the proletariat would rule. Santa Claus gave presents to children and adults regardless of age and or creed, or class. This man's thinking is filled with anti-democratic nonsense! Now here's a disturbing fact. The communists sent millions of people to the Gulags (work camps) in Siberia. Primarily, these people were dissidents, Jews, or gypsies starved into frailty and submission. Now here, the coincidences tie together in a very disturbing fashion. Santa Claus lived in a snowy tundra area, possibly Siberia (It's close enough to the North Pole. Santa controlled a proletariat that worked without pay in his workshops. It is said that these people dressed as elves and were considered elves for their size. Doesn't elfin attire of legend derive from medieval European gypsy attire, and the clothing worn by the Spanish moors (who were primarily Jewish, and Muslim?). And as for size, starvation cold and stress will do that to you. Furthermore, some of these so called elves may have been victims of Nuclear disasters like Chernobyl, genetic testing, and chemical warfare experiments that the USSR tried to sweep under the rug from United Nations inspectors at the the end of the cold war. It was common in propaganda films for soviet workers to break into songs of national pride. Didn't the elves sing all day about how happy they were to work? Obviously Santa was an anti-Semite as well. He had Jewish exiles from the USSR SLAVING in his workshops, and Jewish Kids never get gifts on Christmas. But the ties between Santa and the Soviet Union do not end there, sadly. He was recruited by the KGB. In exchange for high technology assets and access to intelligence, Santa would sow anti-capitalistic dissent in the U.S and steal vital secrets from this nation. The USSR knew when everybody was sleeping and awake and who was bad and good because of Satellite imagery, electronic monitoring and spies. How do you think Santa managed to pull off the
[CTRL] Pigdog -- Talk Show Wars Spin-Doctoring Backfires
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Talk Show Wars Spin-Doctoring Backfires
Pigdog Journal (www.pigdog.org)
Jabber Streams
1999-07-08 01:07:17
By El Snatcher
Like an old-fashioned minister of information, Art Bell has tried to
control the propaganda coming from his opponents, and failed.
Apparently unaware of the famous aphorism that the Net routes around
censorship, he has tried persuasion and cajoling to shut down opposing
viewpoints on web sites and discussion forums. But it hasn't worked.
The most recent casualty of Minister Art has been the infamous "Shadie
Pines" (sic) web site (www.shadie-pines.com), maintained by Joe Oddo.
Surfers became aware that Oddo's site was defunct when they tried to
access it yesterday afternoon and received an "access denied" error
message. Later in the evening the entire site was replaced by a single
page with the cryptic message "Peace" in large black letters.
-more-
http://www.pigdog.org/auto/jabber_streams_Talk_Show_Wars_Spin_Doctoring_Backfires.html
Other Pigdog articles on the Talk Show Wars:
http://www.pigdog.org/categories/jabber_streams.html
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Re: [CTRL] Sovereignty
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 07/08/1999 1:00:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Both the Ninth and 10th Amendments are held in the deepest contempt and disrespect by the White House, Congress and the Supreme Court. Why? Because these amendments were written to protect against consolidation of power by the federal government. Dismissal of the Ninth and 10th Amendments allows Congress to control our schools, mandate speed limits, and require employment and college admissions quotas, as well as other forms of Washington tyranny. Today, little states can do nothing without Washington's permission. That was not the Framers' vision. Don't worry about the Framers' vision. The Rehnquist Court has obliterated federal law and anything Congress has to say. It happened just a couple of weeks ago. Your side is winning. Well except for the 6th amendment. They gave that the boot too. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Freeee-do-o-o-m!!!
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Das GOAT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freedom, for those who can afford it -- the best freedom money can buy. Guaranteed by the best government that money can buy. Thus, society has built-in incentives for one to obtain and use money. You want freedom, power, influence, perks? Get money. Spend money. You got legal troubles? Buy a judge, a prosecutor, a few legislators. You got mood troubles? Buy some drugs, some therapists, some playmates. You got soul problems? Buy a church. You got sovereignty problems? Buy a country. It's all so simple and straightforward. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Freeee-do-o-o-m!!!
-Caveat Lector- Like it says... "The love of money is the root of all evil" -Original Message- From: Ric Carter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 10:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fr-do-o-o-m!!! -Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Das GOAT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freedom, for those who can afford it -- the best freedom money can buy. Guaranteed by the best government that money can buy. Thus, society has built-in incentives for one to obtain and use money. You want freedom, power, influence, perks? Get money. Spend money. You got legal troubles? Buy a judge, a prosecutor, a few legislators. You got mood troubles? Buy some drugs, some therapists, some playmates. You got soul problems? Buy a church. You got sovereignty problems? Buy a country. It's all so simple and straightforward. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: S99-120, Peace 14, July 7 - A Special TiM GW Bulletin on NATO's Kosovo War and Peace
FROM PHOENIX, ARIZONA All 119 earlier Special Truth in Media Global Watch Bulletins on NATO's Kosovo War and "Peace" can also be seen at our Web site: www.truthinmedia.org, along with numerous photos and other memorable images. The TiM GW Bulletins are now divided into two sections: NATO's War (106 issues) and NATO's "Peace" (13 issues). Issue S99-120, "Peace" 14 -- July 7, 1999 HEADLINES Phoenix 1. Foul Air in South Phoenix Prizren 2. Milosevic's Legacy: The Man Who Returned Turks to Kosovo Pristina3. Vuk Karadzic Monument Trashed; Goethe and Schiller Would Have Wept Baku 4. Today Belgrade; Tomorrow Moscow? Phoenix 5. A Letter to the "Death Merchants Journal" -- 1. Foul Air in South Phoenix PHOENIX, July 7 - A number of Phoenix residents reported a sudden influx of foul air in the Valley of the Sun this afternoon, particularly after 4PM local time in the poor neighborhoods of South Phoenix. Citizens with breathing difficulties, especially those suffering from truth and liberty privations, were among the first to complain about sudden increase in air pollution levels. The Phoenix area radio and TV stations were at first at a loss to explain the reasons for this unusual phenomenon. While the Arizona summer heat has been predictably oppressive, the temperatures have been at normal levels for this time of the year. And last night, the annual monsoon arrived in the Valley, packing high winds and rain, but also lowering temperatures and clearing the air. So what has caused this sudden rash of foul air complaints? Bill Clinton arrived in Phoenix at 4PM this afternoon, a part of his belated effort to woo the Hispanic and black vote across the country. "Clinton Stakes Out a Legacy," screamed a three-inch headline in this morning's edition of the state's biggest rag, the Arizona Republic. Right. Now, let's check out what sort of a legacy it is going to be, besides being a criminal one... Such as when he ordered the CIA in late May to hack into the bank accounts of the Yugoslav officials, for example. As we said in out TiM GW Bulletin S99-92, Day 66, Item 2, May 28, this Clinton move alone showed the world that, "NATO's war on Serbia was a battle between the two 'Mafia' gangs. One big-time criminal operation - in Washington; one small-time dictatorship - in Belgrade. With the drug-dealing KLA terrorists as the sideshow in Albania, pitching in as fall guys for the Big Boss from Washington." Here's another excerpt: "By showing the same, if not worse, disrespect for the law as the Yugoslav president Slobodan Milosevic had displayed, the American president ordered a U.S. government agency to commit the kinds of crimes for which any other citizen in this country would end up in jail. If not in a coffin. Clinton ordered our civil servants to rob the banks in which the Belgrade officials supposedly keep their cash. Of course, nowadays, you don't have to wield the Bonnie-and-Clyde-style guns to be a bank robber. All you need to do is know how to use computers, in lieu of the Colts. The crime is nonetheless just as heinous." But well before he turned a world class murdering criminal, Clinton was robbing American taxpayers of their jobs and savings. In 1993, for example, Clinton started to export American jobs to Mexico, to the applause of his masters - the "Princes of the 20th Century - the heads of the Wall Street multinational companies who fund and run the CFR, the Bilderbergers, the Trilateral Commission, and other globalist organizations. And Clinton used Al Gore as a bat, finally finding this wooden Veep a purpose which suits him. In a November 1993 NAFTA TV debate, Gore squares off against Ross Perot and "wins," we were told by the media owned and run by the Clinton-Gore bosses. NAFTA passed. The "great sucking sound" of the American jobs leaving the country ensued. Just as Perot predicted. Now everybody, except for Americans as brain dead as baseball bats, knew that Congress was also largely corrupt. And just in case some Americans using baseball bats for brains missed that message, Newt Gingrich and Bob Dole, the House and Senate Republican leaders at the time, went to bat for Clinton and Gore in early 1995, siphoning off some $50 billion from taxpayers' pockets so as to bail out their mutual Wall Street bosses' losses in Mexico. Furthermore, Clinton and Gore went to work to encourage immigration, especially from non-European countries, such as Mexico, for example. And again they did it to the applause of his globalist masters - the "Princes of the 20th Century, the heads of the Wall Street multinational companies. And why not? Wall Street has seen NAFTA all along for what it was - not only a "great sucking sound" of American jobs leaving
[CTRL] OEN 7/8/99
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe/A - Asian Markets Are the Tigers Back? Or are they only kitties looking fierce? HONG KONG - Is the Asian financial crisis over? Analysts say not by a long shot, but stock market investors have voted with their wallets, and their verdict appears to be yes. Two years ago this week, Thailand gave up trying to support its currency, the baht, and the Asian financial crisis began. From this one event, panic spread through the financial markets of Asia and beyond. Banks lurched into insolvency or just stopped lending, and the bewildered residents of the region were plunged almost overnight from an atmosphere of plenty into what amounted to an instant depression in Indonesia, Thailand, and South Korea. Now, almost as suddenly, investors have again piled back into the region. Markets, including Hong Kong, South Korea and Thailand, have regained or even exceeded the levels they were at when the crisis hit. For many analysts here, it is a case of too much, too soon. ''All the Asian stock markets are running ahead of fundamentals, including those with solid fundamentals,'' said Friedrich Wu, chief economist at the Development Bank of Singapore. If investors shed good companies as well as bad ones two years ago, that irrational reaction is back again, he said. Markets are pricing in a full recovery in Asia within about nine months, he said, even though Asia's required debt restructuring and economic reforms are proceeding ''painfully slowly.'' Take Hong Kong, where instead of letting stock and real estate prices find their market levels, the government has moved to support both, even though its fixed exchange-rate system dictates that asset prices are supposed to float freely. Hong Kong is still in a severe recession, whereas two years ago the economy was growing strongly. Still, the Hang Seng index closed Wednesday at 14,257.49 points, well above the 11,630 mark it was at before the crisis washed over the territory on Oct. 23, 1997. That day, the index plunged more than 10 percent. ''From a fair value perspective, the market is overbought,'' said Anil Daswani, head of Hong Kong research at investment bank Salomon Smith Barney. According to Salomon's calculations, the Hang Seng index is priced about 25 percent higher than where fundamentals say it should be, he said. Indeed, Hong Kong and several other markets in the region have edged down in the past few days as investors have sought to capture some of the gains in recent months. In South Korea, the Korea composite stock price index surged Wednesday to 1,005.98, its highest level since Oct. 18, 1995. When the Asian crisis struck in July 1997, the index stood at 800. The currency, the won, in dollar terms is 29 percent weaker, but also would have been somewhat stronger if not for official intervention. In the real South Korean economy, though, chaebol, or large conglomerates, remain heavily indebted, and are only very slowly shedding unproductive assets, if at all. Two high-profile sales of state-owned banks to foreign investors may fall through. In Thailand, the baht is almost half the value it was two years ago. The Stock Exchange of Thailand index of stocks closed at 516.11 on Wednesday, around the level it was at in August 1997 about a month after the financial crisis truly set in. A report by Moody's Investors Service last month that said the Thai banking sector remains in ''deep crisis, and all banks remain heavily insolvent in true economic terms.'' Yet not everyone sees the bounce in Asian stocks as overdone. ''The better companies are really driving these benchmark indexes higher,'' said Ray Jovanovich, a director at Indocam Hong Kong Ltd. and for many years the manager of the Siam fund of Thai stocks. As one example, he cited Advanced Info Service, Thailand's biggest mobile phone operator, which is up 221 percent, easily compensating foreign investors for the fall in the baht. But Robert Medd at Deutsche Securities puts Advanced Info into a group of companies with ''no shareholder value,'' because unless it restructures, it is not creating enough value to pay off its debt. It is that restructuring that investors who look at fundamentals are waiting for, but among the 50 most heavily traded public companies in Asia, Mr. Medd sees a continuation of the pre-crisis trend for most firms to consume more capital than they create. That happens because of poorly judged investments, too much debt, or inefficient management. International Herald Tribune, July 8, 1999 Singapore Markets Singapore Thinks to Sue Malaysia Lee Hsien Loong Opines Singapore is willing to take legal action against Malaysia to end an impasse over M$14.5bn (£2.4bn) in shares that Kuala Lumpur has, in effect, frozen for 10 months. "We cannot rule it out," said Lee Hsien Loong, Singapore's deputy prime minister. "We are taking legal advice."
[CTRL] Zixmail--Private Mail for Fools-Another government key escrow/backdoor operation.
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.customtracks.com/Conference.htm A HREF="http://www.customtracks.com/Conference.htm"http://www.customtracks.com/ Conference.htm /A - [Opening Statement - Conference Call 7/7/99] [By: David Cook, CEO of CustomTracks] [Start] Good afternoon - CustomTracks recently announced two new products - ZixCharge and ZixMail. These products take a radically different approach to the Internet e-commerce transaction market and to the Internet secure messaging market. The purpose of this conference call is to help our shareholders understand these products, how they work, and what they mean to CustomTracks. Prior to the completion of our ZixMail patent filings last week, we had maintained a very tight-lipped policy regarding the system architecture. That changed on June 29th when we opened the ZixMail informational Web site. We have received many calls since then - and many of those calls have asked similar questions. This opening statement provides answers to the most asked questions. We had hoped that the ZixCharge informational Web site - similar to the ZixMail informational Web site - could be made public by the end of June. I will outline, as best I can before the ZixCharge patent filings are completed, the ZixCharge architecture and features. My intention had been to read this entire statement at the start of the call today, but because of the length and the complexity of the statement - and in an effort to conserve everyone's time during the business day - I decided to pre-post the entire statement on the CustomTracks home page at www.CustomTracks.com. This should have afforded all interested shareholders the opportunity to review the statement prior to the conference call and to formulate questions for the question and answer session. [Live Session - go to:[Recap - Both]] [ZixCharge Start] Now, before I discuss ZixCharge let me give some background on the problems with Internet e-commerce: [Background] A major problem regarding Internet e-commerce is that purchasers are generally required to provide personal and confidential information, such as charge card information and charge card billing data, to an Internet merchant when purchasing goods or services from that merchant. The merchant, in turn, uses this information to obtain a transaction approval through a charge card processor. The transmission of data from a purchasers terminal to the merchant Web site is generally protected by encryption. This point-to-point type of encryption is currently considered adequate for protecting that data from interception or tampering. However, once under the control of a merchant Web site, this personal data can be sold, rented, leased or otherwise distributed for commercial gain. Further, the storage and handling of this sensitive data by computer personnel at the merchant site may lead to intentional or unauthorized distribution of the data. As mentioned frequently in the press, Internet merchant sites have been targets for hackers who may be able to obtain access to this data. In certain instances, even accidental release of the data has been made by errors in the software programs that operate a given Web site. A purchaser who has had personal or charge card information compromised may then be the victim of unauthorized use of their charge cards or, in more severe cases, complete theft of their identity. Another problem in Internet commerce is the fraudulent use of charge cards. Since it is difficult to determine the identity of an Internet purchaser, particularly as it relates to ownership of a given charge card, fraudulent charge card use has become popular on the Internet. One related problem is the use of email addresses or billing addresses obtained by a merchant during a purchase transaction. The merchant may continue to send unwanted email solicitations to the purchaser long after a transaction is completed. In some cases, the abuse of the email address may include sending the email address to other parties, who may also send unwanted solicitations or spam to the purchaser. [Architecture] With that as background, I will now describe the ZixCharge architecture an architecture that solves all of the problems I have just mentioned. First: [Central Repository] ZixCharge uses a central repository of consumer charge card information. Each charge card is linked to a specific email address and digital signature. This information is provided not by consumers - but by card issuing financial institutions and others. It is important that this data be provided by a reputable source that can irrefutably link a consumer's identity with their charge card information. The main use of this central repository is to obtain a charge authorization without providing any personal information to the merchant. The centralized data is not used for any other commercial purpose and is not made available to any third party. Second: [Charge Slip Interface] ZixCharge
[CTRL] Firm predicts Y2K terror attacks
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.ustimesdaily.com/y2knews.htm A HREF="http://www.ustimesdaily.com/y2knews.htm"Y2K News/A - Firm predicts Y2K terror attacks A crisis management firm advised by an ex-chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff predicted on Wednesday an upsurge in guerrilla violence against U.S. targets to mark the dawning of the year 2000. The consulting firm, which includes several big names in the U.S. counterterrorism world, also predicted disruptions from doomsday cults and unstable people subject to a "millennium madness" that it says may be coming. "Whether by bombing a jetliner or attacking crowds in (New York's) Times Square, it's almost certain the Year 2000 will be ushered in with a major terrorist attack," said Neil Livingstone of GlobalOptions, as the Washington company is called. -- Reuters - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Travolta, Clinton Scientology
-Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:535785"Travolta, Clinton Scientology /A - Subject: Travolta, Clinton Scientology From: Arnie Lerma [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 07 July 1999 06:46 PM EDT Message-id: 7m0lbe$[EMAIL PROTECTED] Travolta and President Clinton How long would one have to give a person a *subliminal electric charge, while flattering them with lies, until he would believe that one had all the secrets of the universe? On Charlie Rose, January 4th 1999, Travolta said that Bill Clinton had a Scientologist as a roomate in college - ex member Captain Scott Mayer testified under penalty of perjury in the **1982 Clearwater Commission hearings that Scientology routinely uses information from Scientologist's "confidential' folders in order to accomplish thier desires. Perhaps this roomate knew that Bill Clinton did a lot more than just take a puff of marijuana and not inhale. Did Scientology act in character, true to its past pattern of conduct, and use personal folder information gained from Clinton's college roomate to move Mr. Clinton to put pressure on Germany, thereby meddling in International Affairs for the benefit of a cult of power and greed? A cult whose greed knows no limits as evidenced by one member who went so far as to write and forge signatures on checks on the bank account of its newly dead after-their-forced-incarceration-they-called-care of member Lisa McPherson. Arnie Lerma *see http://www.lermanet.com/exit/ goto emeter pages ** http://www.lermanet.com/82cwcommission/ [ 1100 pages here ] Secrets are the mortar binding bricks as lies together into prisons for the mind. I'd prefer to die speaking my mind than live fearing to speak. The only thing that always works in scientology are its lawyers The internet is the liberty tree of the 90's http://www.lermanet.com - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] MKULTRA: CIA Mind Control
-Caveat Lector- Thank you for the informative post on MKULTRA. Of course, in theory, all of these programs were shut down years ago; but one wonders. Notice the rash of senseless murders in the United States... and so many of the victims and perpetrators of the crimes are teenagers. Is it possible that the government is waging a secret war on our kids to undermine their sanity? Adolescence has always been a difficult time for people--so many competing interests and demands. One has to make the transition from childhood to adulthood...and with the media producing so much mind-numbing entertainment...it's no wonder that so many kids are "troubled." Cultural critics argue that the American media is the culprit, and there are excellent arguments supporting that point of view. But given the government's propensity to toy with the mental health of its citizens, the cause of our current malaise might be attributed to something far more sinister. Alienation-disconnection-despairhow many of our fellow citizens are walking time-bombs just waiting to explode? And who are the ultimate beneficiaries of our moral/cultural meltdown? What's maddening about incidents like Columbine, Paducah, Jonesboro... now Chicago (the list keeps getting longer and longer) is that there are so many cultural factors that seem to contribute to them I think all of us want an end to the violence and the hate... but then consider all of the active elements within our system that contribute to the problem. We can blame the government--and it deserves to be blamed, but I suspect that much of the American Nightmare is a result of the kind of world we've created for ourselves. If our kids, Klebold and Harris, and all of the other smooth-faced baby killers are monsters, then what are we? I think we need to become a country again..stay in our own borders...take care of our kids... give up our feverish dream of global markets, New World Orders...crackpot ideologies... What would it be like to not feel the fiery breath of the "reptiles" on our necks? Or is it too late for this country? On Wed, 7 Jul 1999, Bard wrote: -Caveat Lector- MKULTRA is one of the most disturbing instances of intelligence community abuse on record. MKULTRA: CIA Mind Control by Jon Elliston Dossier Editor [EMAIL PROTECTED] For many Americans, the 1950s were a docile decade. In U.S. history books, the period is mostly portrayed as a mellow, orderly one, especially in light of the social upheavals that followed in the 1960s. But for the CIA, the "I Like Ike" years were packed with adventure and action, much of it conducted outside of the public's view. Few programs were sheltered with more secrecy than the Agency's mind control experiments, identified together with the code-name MKULTRA. Concerned about rumors of communist brainwashing of POWs during the Korean war, in April 1953 CIA Director Allen Dulles authorized the MKULTRA program, which would later become notorious for the unusual and sometimes inhumane tests that the CIA financed. Reviewing the experiments five years later, one secrecy-conscious CIA auditor wrote: "Precautions must be taken not only to protect operations from exposure to enemy forces but also to conceal these activities from the American public in general. The knowledge that the agency is engaging in unethical and illicit activities would have serious repercussions in political and diplomatic circles." Though many of the documents related to MKULTRA were destroyed by the CIA in 1972, some records relating to the program have made it into the public domain, and the work of historians, investigative reporters, and various congressional committees has resulted in the release of enough information to make MKULTRA one of the most disturbing instances of intelligence community abuse on record. As writer Mark Zepezauer puts it, "the surviving history is nasty enough." The most notorious MKULTRA experiments were the CIA's pioneering studies of the drug that would years later feed the heads of millions: lysergic acid diethylamide, or LSD. The CIA was intrigued by the drug, and harbored hopes that acid or a similar drug could be used to clandestinely disorient and manipulate target foreign leaders. (The Agency would consider several such schemes in its pursuit of Cuban leader Fidel Castro, who they wanted to send into a drug-induced stupor or tirade during a public or live radio speech.) LSD was also viewed as a way to loosen tongues in CIA interrogations. In his thorough book on MKULTRA and similar projects, The Search for the "Manchurian Candidate," John Marks reports that most of the CIA researchers tried LSD themselves. In fact, an early phase of the experiments was probably the setting for the first acid trip in the United States -- experienced by a courageous CIA man no less! The fact that these experiments took place is remarkable in and of itself, but the story of
Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] New Age of Satan and the Antichrist]
-Caveat Lector- Ric Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Howard R. Davis III [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kansan1225) Nobody disputes that Thomas Jefferson and John Adams both died on the Jubilee (50th anniversary) of the Fourth of July (7/4/1826). My interpretation is that their deaths were ritual sacrifices. This interpretation is re-inforced by the fact that the next President of New Atlantis to die also died on the Fourth of July: James Monroe died on 7/4/1831. And consider 1831: 1 + 8 + 3 + 1 = 13, the most Masonically correct mystery number. Another interpretation of why all these men died on July 4 is that that particular day was the most important in their lives. Though ill and dying, they used their strong will to live to enable them to cel- ebrate one last time that most important date to them and to humanity. I vote for ritual sacrifice - more exciting. Can't trust them Masons. Obviously, the telepathic giant squids whose mind-control molded the development of the early Republic had need for succor on that date. Hence, the sacrifices. If Masons deny this, remember: they're just squid-stooges. Be ware. Be very ware. Cthulhu fh'tagn! Fnord... In dry reality, I tend to agree with Howard on this. The relationship between Jefferson and Adams was a fascinating one: revolutionary heroes and friends who became fierce political enemies, then much later in life rediscovered their old friendship...it would not surprise me if what Howard suggests was not what actually happened. Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] More reason to trash Constitution: U.S. Unprepared For Growing Weapons Threat.. (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- So much of this problem has been the result of the Clinton's administration's basic lack of foresight in their self-centered relations with China and Russia. Thursday July 8 9:00 AM ET U.S. Unprepared For Growing Weapons Threat-Report BALTIMORE (Reuters) - A high-level federal government commission has concluded that the United States is ill-prepared to combat the growing threat of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons proliferation, the Baltimore Sun reported Thursday. Commission members were particularly alarmed by the continuing economic meltdown in Russia, said the newspaper, which obtained an early copy of the panel's report, due out next week. The panel is headed by former director of the Central Intelligence Agency John Deutch. The report cites seven instances since 1992 in which weapons-usable fissile materials were stolen. Russia does not know how much material it has, and it is increasingly vulnerable because of power outages, unpaid guards and sporadic violence, the newspaper said. ``The No. 1 threat that needs attention is the continued disintegration of Russia as a civil society,'' one commission member told the Sun. This member ranked the Russian problem as high, if not higher, than the threat to the United States from ballistic missiles that was cited by a previous panel headed by former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. Other dangers noted were those resulting from China's export of missiles and dangerous technology; efforts by more than a dozen extremist groups to get nuclear, chemical or biological weapons; North Korea and other hostile states with the ability to manufacture such weapons; and instability in the Middle East, and South and East Asia. The problem is made ever more complex by the growth of technology that can be used both commercially and in weapons, according to the commission. But the federal government's ability to respond to this threat is hamstrung by a series of policy and bureaucratic obstacles, the panel says. ``The commission finds that the U.S. government is not effectively organized to combat proliferation,'' it says in a summary of the 140-plus page report. The Sun reported that few government agencies escaped criticism from the commission, which found in general that the United States is plagued by inadequate technology to cope with the problem. The panel urged the president to name a National Director for Combating Proliferation. The 18-month-old panel was created by Congress to assess how the government is dealing with the proliferation threat and to make recommendations. = Kaddish, Kaddish, Kaddish, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [4] The Marcos Dynasty
-Caveat Lector- An excerpt from: The Marcos Dynasty Sterling Seagrave©1988 Harper Row, Inc ISBN 0-06-015815-8 out-of-print - ... A rash of new explosions rocked Manila. President Marcos and his new defense minister, his personal lawyer Juan Ponce Enrile, blamed "subversives," and the Constabulary claimed it had obtained a copy of a "blueprint for revolution" by the Communist party. However, American intelligence officials observed that the bombings were actually the work of the regime's paramilitary unit, "the Monkees." Ferdinand soon proved that when his enemies closed in on him he was a close student of Lyndon Johnson's Tonkin Gulf maneuver. That summer of 1972, the fishing trawler M/V Karagatan went aground off the northeast coast of Luzon and was boarded by the military, who reported to headquarters that they found nothing suspicious, only some food supplies. The crew had vanished. Ferdinand made a great issue over the Karagatan, claiming it was running guns to the Communists. He sent troops to scour the jungles, and planes to strafe deserted hilltops. According to Malacanang, the trawler had aboard 3,500 M-15 rifles, 30 rocket launchers, and 160,000 rounds of ammunitioncompletely contradicting the original military report. The palace claimed that the boat was a "foreign vessel," which had sailed from Japan on its sinister mission. A guerrilla force known as the New People's Army (NPA), modeled on Maoist dogma, was operating in the countryside. The palace initially had said the NPA consisted of only one hundred men. A few days after the Karagatan flap began, the Constabulary inflated the number ten times to get two hundred NPA regulars and eight hundred part-time guerrillas. Journalists confirmed that the gunrunning shipment was a sham. The real owner of the trawler was the Karagatan Fishing Corporation, with offices in Manila. Before running aground, the trawler had stopped at ports in Ilocos Sur, Ilocos Norte, and Fuga Island-the smuggling haven where the Marcoses frequently vacationed-and apparently had been engaged in nothing more sinister than cigarette smuggling for an Ilocano syndicate. Senator Aquino disclosed that President Marcos had secretly purchased three thousand guns from Eastern Europe with the apparent intention of planting them where they could be discovered by the Constabulary as NPA "caches." The NPA was hardly a serious threat. In a nation of 50 million people, even a thousand full-time guerrillas, backed by ten thousand part-time supporters, were scarcely a grave danger. In secret intelligence reports, the CIA concluded year after year that the NPA was not a formidable threat and had received little, if any, foreign assistance. But if Ferdinand needed a Communist menace, he could manufacture it. Martial law was on its way. To foment hysteria, Ferdinand was telling people that the defense establishment needed more authority to meet the "imminent danger" of Communist subversion. On September 13, 1972, Senator Aquino revealed that President Marcos had prepared Plan Sagittarius to put Greater Manila and most of central Luzon under military control. The palace denounced Aquino's account as sheer fabrication. Ferdinand was meeting regularly with twelve top military advisers (eventually known as the "Rolex 12" because he gave each of them a gold Rolex wristwatch). There were two civilians in the group: Defense Minister Enrile and Tarlac governor Eduardo Cojuangco, Jr. This Cojuangco was continually at war with the rest of his clan and despised his cousin Cory's husband, Senator Aquino. He was temporarily in uniform as a colonel in a special unit of the Constabulary reported to be directing the bomb attacks of the paramilitary Monkees. The regular military men among the "Rolex 12" were chief-of-staff General Romeo Espino, General Rafael Zagala, and General Ignacio Paz, all army; General Fidel Ramos, General Tomas Diaz, and Colonel Romeo Gatan of the Constabulary; General Jose Rancudo -of the air force, Admiral Hilario Ruiz of the navy, General Fabian Ver of NISA, and General Alfredo Montoya of METROCOM. What really alarmed Ferdinand was information that his harshest critic, Senator Aquino, had met secretly with NPA leader Jose Maria Sison, alias Amado Guerrero, or at least with one of Sison's top lieutenants, Julius Fortuna. The meeting was by all accounts inconclusive and harmless, but the very fact that it had happened provided Ferdinand an excuse to charge that the opposition was considering an alliance with Communists. Although he did not accuse Aquino of treason, Ferdinand did accuse him of consorting with enemies of the state. (During the same period, Imelda was conferring with both Chinese and Russian politburos, without authorization of the Philippine legislature.) The same day, September 17, Ferdinand signed a martial law decree. He waited a few days to issue it because, as he later put it, "I wanted time to commune with God and await His signal." The U.S.
[CTRL] Fwd: [MC] goth mag plug
-Caveat Lector- I just came across a magazine many of y'all will be interested in. It's a Goth magazine called Morbid Curiosity. Issue 3, 1999 ($5.50) contains no music reviews or fashion spreads. It's available at: Bound Together Books 1369 Haight St. SF CA 94117 There were no vampire stories, in MC, in fact no fiction whatsoever. But these important but essentially superficial cultural touchstones are far from all that Goths are interested in. MC does contain some ads for mail order CDs. Goth music is extremely difficult to find. It's never on MTV and can be found on the radio only in the middle of the night on a few college stations. Even harder to find are serious articles, especially first hand accounts, about some of the more esoteric subjects which Goths find interesting. A (perhaps) surprising number of these subjects are also of interest to mind control aficionados, psy-war buffs, psych majors, anthropologists, paranoids (both clinical and practical), survivors in general, and government agents who monitor people with such interests. You know, like the people who read this list. Goths get a bad rap in the media, but it's not deserved. The Hollywood Goth is no more like a real Goth than a Hollywood Indian is like a Native American. Stereotyping is the first step towards scapegoating. For a number of years I shared a collective living situation with a bunch of Goths (and a variety of other misfits and outcasts) and we got along fine. OK, OK, they do make a gawd-awful racket in the middle of the night when you're trying to sleep sometimes, but hey, so do I. They also turned me on to a hell of a lot of fine art and literature I never would have stumbled upon by myself. They're a never ending source of witty repartee and and gourmet cooking. They tend to be much smarter than average, extremely well informed and pretty good in the sack, too. They pay their rent on time and don't leave a mess in the kitchen. Worse roommates I've had, much worse, believe me. I respect 'em. I keep up on their doings and follow their literature. I recommend that y'all at least give one of their magazines the benefit of the doubt. Forget all the crap you hear about them in the media. Just forget it. It's worse than useless; it's in the way. I read a lot of magazines, many of them obscure. Seldom if ever, even in niche mags addressed to a niche I'm down with, do I find more than one or two articles really worth reading. I went through MC Issue 3 from cover to cover. When something like that happens, I feel compelled to share my discovery. MC Issue 3 contains a fascinating first hand account of the adventures of an X-Files staff researcher attempting to fact check by phone a story about MKULTRA. Of course he was given the classic bureaucrat/intelligence agency run around we're all so familiar with. He just took it with a greater sense of humor than most of us do. The article is titled "Proof of My X-istance" by Lee Smith and is worth the price of the mag all by itself. It has a sidebar written by a guy named Bruce Young which is a very cogent review of Alex Constantine's Psychic Dictatorship in the USA. "Prison: 1 in 137" by Geoff Walker, on page 75, in succinct and insightful. Jasmine Sailing's article on page 56, "Self-Mutilation: Destructive or Therapeutic?" is quite an eye-opener, as is her review of Christopher Hyatt's Secrets of Western Tantra: The Sexuality of the Middle Path on page 100. There are also six or seven first hand accounts of the psychological side effects of suffering from various diseases, both common and obscure. There's a great account of firing a pistol for the first time as part of a thirtieth birthday celebration, and another on how bad it hurts to kick heroin and why it's a good idea anyhow. There's an interesting article comparing the merits of chewing betel, eating durian and drinking kava. Another is about the delicious chill that ran up the spine when Grandpa told ghost stories, and why we still seek it out. Loren Rhoads explains why San Franciscans aren't afraid of earthquakes. Michael Hemmington visits the Barbie Wrecking Yard. There's more. There's also a call for submissions: "Morbid Curiosity is looking for TRUE, first-person stories about encounters with the unsavory, unwise, unorthodox, or unusual -- all the dark elements that make life truly worth living. No poetry of fiction will be considered. Reviews of nonfiction books would be appreciated. 500 words maximum. Deadline for submissions for issue #4 is October 1, 1999. Automatism Press Attn: Loren Rhoads P.O. Box 170277 San Francisco, CA 94117-0277 [EMAIL PROTECTED]" Tell 'em nessie sent ya. Oh yeah and don't forget to check out their website: http://www.charnel.com/automatism ** MINDCONTROL-L Mind Control and Psyops Mailing List To unsubscribe or subscribe: send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text: "unsubscribe MINDCONTROL-L"
[CTRL] Fwd: Unfinished quest for Russian identity
-Caveat Lector- Johnson's Russia List [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Russia Journal June 14-20, 1999 Unfinished quest for Russian identity Igor Zevelev, special for The Russia Journal A new Russia has begun to define its identity from the ground up; very little from its past can be applied to the present. The country's intellectual history has not provided contemporary thinkers and politicians with adequate tools for assessing how Russia's age-old quandary about her identity fits into its new geopolitical situation. Historical and cultural messianic traditions stand in sharp contrast to Russia's current circumstances. Nevertheless, we can isolate three major options for the future development of a Russian identity: neoimperial, ethnic, and civic. Most western commentators, especially from foreign policy and security communities, usually concentrate on the perils of Russian neoimperialism. They usually ignore the dangers of ethno-nationalism, as well as the difficulties of building a new civic identity. Russian Ethno-Nationalism Although ethno-nationalism is not politically well organized in Russia, it may nonetheless emerge ascendant, especially if the goal of nation-state building is introduced into contemporary political discourse, since the term "nation" has had a strong ethnic, not civic, connotation in Soviet and post-Soviet academia, public opinion, and politics. No longer hidden under an imperial veil, ethnic identity has become more salient to Russians after the collapse of the Soviet Union. The essence of the ethno-nationalist program is to restore a geographical congruence between the state and the nation by building the Russian state within Russians' and other Eastern Slavs' area of settlement. Politically, that means the reunification of Russia, Belarus, Ukraine and northern Kazakhstan . If the experience of other countries is any guide, nation-building on the rubble of an empire is usually an endeavor of ethno-nationalists. Kemalist Turkey started its experiment with a nation-state by subjecting its Armenian, Greek and Kurdish minorities to genocide, and expulsion. Austrians welcomed Hitler's Anschluss after 20 years of living in a small post-imperial state. Most recently, Serbia and Croatia became aggressively nationalistic. All former Soviet republics have adopted ethno-political myths, identifying the state as a homeland of "indigenous" people. These policies rely on the Romantic historicist tradition, claiming that humanity can be divided neatly into nations, and stipulating that culturally--or ethnically--defined nations possessed sacred rights. National leaders can downplay individual human rights and respect for minorities using this reasoning. Russians have now found themselves in a multiethnic milieu within new borders once again, while 25 million were left outside. The "national question" for Russians was not resolved by the collapse of the Soviet Union. It was created: Russia within its current borders is "more a bleeding hulk of empire: what happened to be left over when the other republics broke away," British historian Geoffrey Hosking says. Hope of Globalization Eurasia's blurred political map might be more in line with the burgeoning process of globalization than the two-centuries-old system of nation-states emerging from bloody wars. Boundaries between nation-states are becoming increasingly less significant as a result of the globalization of the international community, and there is no reason for Russians and other Eurasian peoples to repeat all the steps and mistakes made by Western Europe. The "German question," for one, has been finally resolved within the framework of European integration, when the borders that Germans had fought over for a century became obsolete. The approach of nation-state builders overlooks many grave threats to international security that may evolve from an attempt to mechanically line up Russia with its neighbors. In fact, inarticulated Russian nationhood is one of the key factors explaining why the U.S.S.R. 's disintegration occurred so peacefully, especially when compared to the debacle of another communist federation, Yugoslavia, where most Serbs encountered no ambiguity over their nation or national identity. A Russia without clear-cut frontiers may be the only peaceful solution to the "Russian question" after the breakup of the Soviet empire. Paradoxically, inconsistent and messy relations between Moscow and ethnic republics within the Russian Federation, and moderate and sometimes tremendously ineffective policies toward the Russians in the "near abroad" might be a better solution for security in Eurasia than attempts to shape a clear-cut approach toward nation-state building and the inevitable redrawing of borders. But the Russian government is probably pursuing such an ambiguous policy not because of its wisdom, but because of its weakness. Identity-Forging The development of a civic identity hardly matches other options in the
[CTRL] Fwd: (en) Peabody Coal relocates Navajo - background+update
-Caveat Lector- A - I N F O S N E W S S E R V I C E http://www.ainfos.ca/ Bombing Arizona by Omar Jabara [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now that we have succeeded in halting most of the ethnic cleansing in Kosovo, we need to fly NATO's warplanes stateside to bomb the S.N.O.T (Systematic Native Oppression Torment) out of Arizona. The reason? Ethnic cleansing by your old Uncle Sam. By February 1, 2000, all remaining Navajo Indians (about 3000 elders) on what are called Hopi Partition Lands in the four corners region of Arizona are to be "relocated" from their tribal homes to a desolate tract of land on the Rio Puerco, just downstream from the worst uranium mine disaster in U.S. history (Church Rock Mill). To date, 10,000 Navajos--known as Dineh in their language--have been exiled to this site, with 25% of the first group resettled in 1980 dying within the first six months of arriving at the "New Lands." The remaining survivors suffer from increased rates of birth defects and poisoned livestock. In order to force the remaining Navajo elders from Big Mountain, the government forbids them from repairing their homes, denies them access to fresh water, and confiscates their livestock and firewood. In fact, Alice Begay, a great grandmother whose family has lived at Big Mountain for generations, had to buy back her cow from a livestock auction earlier this month after the federal Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA) seized it from her. You see, it all starts in 1863 when Colonel Kit Carson and the U.S. Army went on a rampage to exterminate the Navajo who had been residing in the Big Mountain region for the last 600 years. After Carson spent weeks killing thousands of Indians, the survivors were forced to march 400 miles on the infamous "Long Walk" to Fort Sumner in eastern New Mexico. Those who escaped Carson's grip hid in the canyons of the Big Mountain region currently inhabited by the Navajo and the Hopi peoples. The Hopi, an agrarian people, occupy permanent settlements in the lowlands of the area relying largely on farming. The Navajo rely on sheep-herding and dry-crop farming. In 1974, President Ford signed a bill partitioning the Big Mountain area and ordered the Navajo to leave. This was done in spite of a 1962 U.S. District Court ruling that the lands in question were a Joint Use Area (JUA) cooperatively developed by both Hopi and Navajo peoples (with the exception of the small portion occupied by the Hopi settlements). So why would the government care if the Navajo lived there or not, especially since many Hopi elders believe that the Navajo have just as much right as they do? Just follow the money: It turns out that during the 1940s and 1950s, massive deposits of low-sulfur coal, oil, and uranium were discovered in the mountains and canyons occupied by the Navajo. The Peabody Western Coal Company began operating a 103-square mile coal strip in the area in the mid-1960s (after first displacing 200 Navajo families). The Navajo and Hopi tribal councils--created by the feds--get royalties from Peabody's mining operations but those Navajo living in the mining permit area get nothing (estimates show they live on top of 18 billion tons of coal just six feet beneath the surface). In 1964, with the Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA) acting as an "agent" for the Navajo, Peabody paid less than 2% in royalties to the Navajo under its original lease with the tribe. In 1984, the tribe sought to adjust the royalty rate to 20 percent to reflect market standards. The Department of Interior, which includes the BIA, approved the increased royalty rate but Peabody (the world's largest private coal producer) pressured then-Interior Secretary Donald Hodel into overturning the decision. Last week, the Navajo announced they were fighting back with a $600 million lawsuit against Peabody for shortchanging the tribe since 1984. Nevertheless, the lawsuit won't prevent the expulsions of the Navajo elders from Big Mountain. If you want to help, please call 1-888-41-PRAYER, or, e-mail mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] For more information on this issue, visit the Navaho web site at http://www.solcommunications.com/dineh.htmlwww.solcommunications.com/dineh .html. ### For Big Mountain and other activist internet resources, visit "The Activist Page" at http://www.theofficenet.com/~redorman/welcome.html The A-Infos News Service COMMANDS: [EMAIL PROTECTED] REPLIES: [EMAIL PROTECTED] HELP: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.ainfos.ca/ INFO: http://www.ainfos.ca/org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters
[CTRL] FW: [Wings_of_Liberty] hillarypoll, here's your chance folks...let them have it
-Caveat Lector- Bard Visit me at: The Center for Exposing Corruption in the Federal Government http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm Federal Government defined: a benefit/subsidy protection racket! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 9:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Wings_of_Liberty] hillarypoll, here's your chance folks...let them have it From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://cgi.pathfinder.com/time/polls/hillarypoll.html --- ONElist Sponsor ONElist: your connection to people who share your interests. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Artifacts redefine Americas pre-history]
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Comparing this state of affairs to UFOlogy and the like is
counterproductive, because we are talking about established scientists
with results of hard physical evidence, which UFOlogy is sorely lacking.
Our courts regularly condemn men to hang on the basis of less evidence
than is available to prove the existance of UFOs. What IS lacking in
UFOlogy is evidence that UFOs are extraterrestial in origin.
As for the antiquity on mankind, anomolous finds are simply ignored by
the
acedemic establishment. For example see Suppressed Inventions Other
Discoveries By Jonathan Eisen, ISBN0-89529-809-0, pages 215-226.
Eisen relates the curious tale of a Smithsonian expedition to the Grand
Canyon in 1909 (as reported in the Phoenix Gazette, 4/5/09) which
uncovered the abandoned remains of a huge underground settlement of
apparent Egyptian origin. The present day Smithsonian denies it took
place
and the part of the Canyon where the site lies is now off limits to
tourists.
I should have clarified my meaning about UFO's. You are absolutely correct,
there is evidence that UFO's are real, but none that they are being driven
by
aliens from somewhere other than Earth.
Another great source for hushed up ancient man and technology
information is William Corliss's "Sourcebook Project", as well as "Forbidden
Archaelogy". I think that it is possible that the story in the Phoenix
Gazette was a fabrication to try and sell papers, only possible, not
definite. But even if that were true it begs the question; why is so much
of
the park given Egyptian names? I have written the Smithsonian to get an
answer as to the expedition and to find out why the Egyptian names are used
and was rudely referred to a text that debunks "crack pot" archaeology, the
implication was obvious, I am a moron for even thinking of it.
Interestingly
the book they referred me to was a good book in some ways, and one that I
had
and had already read.
Well, the park was opened up and developed at a time when "Egyptian" themes
were all the rage--just look at the number of Egyptian Revival movie theaters
put up in the wake of the discovery of Tuankhamen's tomb. Even ("even"!!)
archaeologists succumb to the current fads...we're seeing a new fad in
prehistoric archaeology emerging now, with the "pre-Clovis" discoveries
(Kennewick Man, etc.) becoming all the rage, replacing the "Native Americans
were first" school, which replaced the "American Indians are the degenerate
descendants of the Aztecs" school, which in its turn replaced the "search for
'White Indians' school" (which had given rise to, among other things, the
Lewis and Clark Expedition, the LDS Church, and the conclusion that the Mandan
Indians of South Dakota were the last remnants of medieval Welsh settlers)...
Check out Martin van Leusen's Fringe Archaeology Page
(http://odur.let.rug.nl/arge/Themes/fringe.html) for some especially strange
examples of archaeological fads and fallacies.
Bob
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[CTRL] This IS NOT a joke: FBI cancels leaves for Y2K (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- EXERPTS The Federal Bureau of Investigation recently notified all their agents that all leaves from Dec. 15 through mid-January -- even those previously approved -- are officially canceled. -- Commenting on the infrequency of such a move by the FBI, the agent from the Department of Health and Human Services said, "To my knowledge, even during the Iranian crisis in 1980 and the war with Iraq, I don't think the entire FBI had been on alert and all annual leave canceled." "It's a mess," concluded the agent concerning the FBI's Y2K preparation. "They're very much behind. If it was a 72 hour 'snowstorm,' you wouldn't bring out 12,000 FBI agents on stand-by and, for the first time maybe in FBI history, cancel everybody's annual leave for a 20-30 day time frame. That's very significant. In my line of work, that's called a clue." Read the rest at: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_exnews/19990708_xex_fbi_cancels_.shtml = Kaddish, Kaddish, Kaddish, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Place Your Doomsday Bets
-Caveat Lector- Place Your Doomsday Bets British Bookies Will Take Your Gloomy Wager World War: 500-To-1 Global Mass Suicide: 100 Million-to-1 CBS Nearly 450 years after the seer Nostradamus is said to have predicted terror descending on the world this month, the British -- never shy to place a bet -- are lining up to get a piece of the action, reports CBS News Correspondent Tom Rivers. It was way back in 1555 that the French mystic predicted wed have a rough ride in the seventh month of 1999. Graham Sharpe, from Britains William Hill bookmaking chain, thought he had seen it all. But because of the unique nature of the end of world wager, hes letting the customers choose their own odds. Im pretty confident that we wont have to pay out if theyre correct, says Sharpe. Among the choose-your-own odds are a world war at 500-to-1 and aliens taking over the world at 5,000-to-1. The rank outsider is global mass suicide at 100 million-to-1. Sharpe acknowledges that most of the bets are done for a laugh. The tongue-in-cheek wagers are placed to obtain an end of the world betting slip to be framed for posterity. But, he adds, Some are serious; their 26-page letters supporting their theories means theyve thought about it long and hard. In fact, some will clearly be unhappy if the world doesnt end. At least Matthew Dumbrell has figured out a way to have his cake and eat it too. If the world ends, the Londoner plans to collect on his one-million-to-one bet because as Sharpe says, Dumbrell believes that even bookmakers will go to heaven and Im quite happy to meet them there! So, who knows? Sharpe could well become the manager of the first celestial betting shop. But for now, the bookmaker remains philosophical. As long as theyre 18 years old and in possession of their faculties, its entirely up to them. We dont force them to come to the betting shops and give us their money. But if they choose to do that, were not going to turn them away. Odds are, we havent seen the last bet yet. Written by Tom Rivers ©1999, CBS Worldwide Inc., All Rights Reserved. http://cbs.aol.com/flat_story_166475.html DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Taj Mahal Will be the Tomb of Our Patent System
-Caveat Lector- THURSDAY, JULY 1, 1999 "Taj Mahal" Will be the Tomb of Our Patent System By PHYLLIS SCHLAFLEY The elaborate marble mausoleum in India called the Taj Mahal, one of the world's most extravagant monuments, was built as the tomb of an emperor's favorite wife. The proposed new building complex to house the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office (PTO) has been tagged with the label Taj Mahal, not only because of its extravagant cost, but also because it threatens to become the tomb of America's unique patent system. The price tag of $1.3 billion only buys a 20-year lease for an Alexandria, Virginia property; the PTO may have the option to buy it at market price at the end of that period. Funds for the lease will come from the patent fees paid by struggling inventors, that small group of individuals to whom we owe so much for creating the inventions that have made America the economic leader of the world. The proposed PTO Taj Mahal is lavish beyond the dreams of any 17th century emperor in India. Furniture for the PTO's Taj Mahal is budgeted at $64 million, including $250 shower curtains, $750 baby cribs for daycare, $308 ash cans, and $1000 coat racks, according to a PTO-funded study. There's more here than meets the eye. It's not just an excess of bureaucratic extravagance and the lust of former Patent Commissioner Bruce Lehman and Acting Patent Commissioner Q. Todd Dickinson to live in the luxurious style to which they would like to become accustomed. The PTO Taj Mahal is part of a plan to radically change our unique American patent system by "corporatizing" it into what the Commerce Department's Inspector General calls a "Performance Based Organization." This means pretending that the PTO is a business that is selling products, and modelling it after the multinationals that are lobbying aggressively for this change. But the PTO is not a business; it is the guardian and facilitator of one of our most precious constitutional rights: the Article I, Section 8 inventors' "exclusive right" to their inventions "for limited times." The move to the proposed PTO Taj Mahal is part of an overall plan to change the PTO from a successful, free-from-fraud federal agency into a stand-alone, semi-private corporation, without essential public oversight of its activities. Last year's patent bills (S. 507 and H.R. 400), which fortunately did not pass, would have created this pseudo-governmental corporation with guaranteed seats on the board of directors for representatives of the multinational corporations. The independent inventors, disdained by PTO Commissioner Lehman as "weekend hobbyists," would have been left out in the cold. The multinationals are pushing hard for major changes in our patent law in order to "harmonize" U.S. patent law with foreign law, especially Japanese. But it's the unique American system that is responsible for the fact that more than 90 percent of inventions are American, and it makes no sense to harmonize down to unsuccessful foreign systems (which are skewed to corporate control instead of inventors' rights) instead of up to the successful U.S. system. In March 1998, the Commerce Department's Inspector General reported that the Space Allocation Plan for the proposed PTO Taj Mahal contains no space for the paper search files, which are now the principal resource used by patent examiners in granting new patents. Two centuries of paper records of American inventions, the greatest technical teaching library in the history of the world, will be banished, reducing us to total faith in electronic files. The patent examiners are fighting hard to save the paper search files because they are more complete, more accurate, and contain thousands of original articles so essential to proving that new patent applications are for original work. Loss of these records will drastically diminish the examiners' ability to do an effective search. In the new PTO building, public access will be restricted and the area of public search rooms will be reduced. All these curious facts indicate that the move to the Taj Mahal will not be merely a change in location or a modernization of facilities, but a drastic transformation of the function and purposes of the PTO in order to diminish the inventors' rights it is supposed to protect. There is no pressing need for a new building; current leases cost less and can run until 2014. Moving costs from current PTO offices in Arlington, Virginia are estimated at $5 million, but others claim it is closer to $130 million. The constitutional property right of individual inventors is the mainspring of America's remarkable prosperity, high standard of living, and continual generation of new jobs and businesses. To borrow Winston Churchill's famous line, "Never in the field of human endeavor was so much owed by so many to so few." That's why 25 Nobel Laureates joined together to oppose all patent legislation to "harmonize" our patent system with foreign systems
[CTRL] Fw: DRUDGE-REPORT 7/07/99
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: DRUDGE REPORT [EMAIL PROTECTED] X DRUDGE REPORT X WEDNESDAY, JULY 07, 1999 21:38:55 ET X PAPER: BUSH DECLINES INVITATION TO MINORITY JOURNALISTS MEETING Presidential candidate George W. Bush will make campaign appearances in Seattle Thursday but has no plans to address a conference of 6,000 minority journalists meeting that will be going down at the same time, the LOS ANGELES TIMES is planning to report, according to publishing sources. And late Wednesday, one Bush campaign official shot back, calling the story "nothing more than a game of racial innuendo." The paper's Sam Fulwood III reports: "Organizers said Bush told them his one-day trip to the Seattle area was so overbooked he could not fit in a speech to delegates representing the nation's four leading minority journalism organizations." The paper notes that every presidential candidate was invited, but only Vice President Al Gore and Democratic candidate Bill Bradley are currently scheduled to speak at the event. [With the exception of Bush, Gore and Bradley, none of the other presidential candidates will be in Seattle during the convention.] More TIMES: "'I guess we're not green,' E.R. Shipp, a member of the black journalists group and ombudsman at the WASHINGTON POST, said in a reference to Bush's prodigious fund-raising. 'Even just a walk by and wave to just show us some of his compassionate conservatism wouldn't be so bad.'" One Bush campaign official, who request anonymity, blasted the TIMES report. "These reporters are just trying to bring the governor down," the official told the DRUDGE REPORT. "What an incredibly cheap shot. First they go after his service record, now they are implying that he is a racist?... This is nothing more than a game of racial innuendo and its going to backfire... voters can see through this kind of thing." Developing late. X X X X X SERBS FEAR DISASTER CAUSED BY NATO BOMBING OF CHEMICAL PLANTS; MAY SUE USA In recent weeks, something in the rivers and lakes of Yugoslavia has changed. Fish being caught in the Tamis river are sluggish and sickly, with protruding bones and bulging eyes. "I personally won't eat any fish from the river. Not for the next five years," Dragomir Djuric, president of the Tamis River Fishing Club, tells Thursday's CHICAGO TRIBUNE. The Yugoslav government says NATO airstrikes on chemical plants around the country have caused an environmental catastrophe in Serbia. "Next month, the United Nations is scheduled to conduct a formal assessment of the environmental damage of the war," reports the TRIBUNE's Uli Schmetzer from Pancevo. "A young woman named Yelena, who asked that her last name not be used, said she had an abortion this week, fearful that the fetus she was carrying might have been harmed by the air she breathed and the water she drank." Stories are circulating of outsized fruits and vegetables, of trees turning bright yellow in mid-summer. Madame Albright might want to check her liability insurance policy. There is talk on the streets of filing a damage suit against the United States and its leaders on behalf of the people of Pancevo. X X X X X GEFFEN MOVED IN TO HELP SETTLE DISNEY/KATZENBERG SUIT The long-running lawsuit between Jeffrey Katzenberg and DISNEY was finally settled at David Geffen's Malibu home on Monday, according to soon-to-be published reports. Geffen, Katzenberg's partner in the DREAMWORKSs SKG studio, forged a settlement with Stanley Gold, a longtime DISNEY director and Eisner confidant, in Malibu on Monday evening, James Bates of the LOS ANGELES TIMES has learned. Sources close to the case tell Bates that Katzenberg's final take from the suit is probably in the $250 million to $275 million range, including $117.5 million he received in late 1997 when the case was partially settled. Bates reports that two DISNEY board members, former CAP CITIES/ABC Chairman Thomas Murphy and billionaire investor Warren Buffett, had pushed for a resolution of the case. "When two objective and not so emotionally involved people finally got involved, they were able to find a way to a resolution to all this," Katzenberg told BLOOMBERG in an interview. Bernie Weinraub at the NEW YORK TIMES quotes The Geff "It's the perfect definition of a settlement," Geffen tells the TIMES. "Both parties felt they didn't get what they wanted. DISNEY paid more than it wanted and Jeffrey got less than he wanted." Geffen and Gold reportedly met at the Geffen home in Malibu for less than an hour on Monday, and spoke numerous times on the phone Tuesday before reaching the agreement. X X X X X NOONAN WARNS GOP: HILLARY LOOKS LIKE A NATURAL "Hand it to her: Hillary Clinton had a spectacular day yesterday as she stood on the edge of a rolling field on Pat Moynihan's
[CTRL] Clinton's War with the Military
-Caveat Lector- THURSDAY, JULY 1, 1999 Clinton's War with the Military By HAL SIEMER The war with Yugoslavia has brought the question of our military preparedness the forefront. President Clinton, who was once quoted as saying "I loathe the military," has seriously eroded our military capabilities. Clinton avoided marching off to Vietnam by dodging the draft, although he did march on the U.S. Embassy in Moscow to protest against America. When he first assumed the Presidency, his counterculture staff would not permit senior military officers to wear their uniforms at the White House. Such has been his attitude toward our armed forces. Although liberals contend that we no longer need a large military because the cold war is "over," the facts argue differently. The Russians still have thousands of nuclear weapons pointed at us; and because of Russia's political and economic instability, we may be facing a nuclear threat unwitnessed since the Cuban missile crises. Moreover, the deteriorating Russian economy and the breakup of the Soviet Union have made sales of nuclear weapons to terrorists a growing menace. But of greatest concern is the overall drop in morale and the combined combat readiness of our armed forces. Clinton's alleged popularity is based on our country's economic health, an area where the President is not necessarily the primary player. But in the field of foreign affairs, the Executive branch is uniquely powerful. The President negotiates treaties and is Commander in Chief. In his role as Commander, Clinton has done great harm to our armed forces, at a price that unfortunately may be paid in blood. While Clinton may finish last in moral leadership and support for our troops, in some areas he is the undisputed champ. In over 90 percent of the cases that Clinton has exercised his line item veto, he has used it to cut defense spending. Since the end of the Gulf War, our military has shrunk by more than 40 percent. The Navy can't adequately man its aircraft carriers, and the Army has been forced to reduce its ranks by more than 630,000 soldiers and civilians. Army divisions have dropped from 18 to 10, and over 700 installations at home and overseas have been closed. Nonetheless, under Commander Clinton, the U.S. Army has been called into action 26 times, racking up an incredible eleven-fold increase over just 10 such "operational events" that were conducted by the Army between 1960 and 1991. Since 1990, the Air Force has declined from 36 active and reserve fighter wings to 20, downsizing 44 percent while experiencing a simultaneous four-fold increase in operational commitments. As this article is being written, U.S. pilots are flying missions over Yugoslavia in planes as old as their parents. In many cases they are paying for spare parts out of their own pockets. Meanwhile, our government spent several hundred thousand dollars so Hillary and Chelsea could fly to the Middle East. Well aware that the majority of men voted for his Republican opposition in both '92 and '96, Clinton has used the military as a political pawn to further increase his support among women. Clinton's politically correct, 60's social engineering of the military includes such ludicrous things as coed boot camp and sensitivity training. Maybe Hillary could invite Jean Houston back to the White House to conjure up the spirit of Eisenhower for tactical advice. If our troops lives weren't at stake, it would be laughable. When the likes of Patricia Schroeder claim that women pass the military's physical requirements, she forgets to mention that there is a HUGE difference between the requirements that male members of our armed forces must meet and those required of females. The one possible exception to the decline of our armed forces is the Marine Corps, whose motto, "semper fidelis," is Latin for "always faithful" -- a phrase that is obviously Greek to Bill Clinton. The Marines are the only service to resist Clinton's politically correct feminizing of the military. None of the "reformers" mentioned have ever worn a uniform. Their one concern is getting the vote, not the welfare of our troops. Bill Clinton's amoral style of politics, where just about any action with poll appeal is justified, sadly will continue to cost American lives. http://www.austinreview.com/articles/31.html DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat
[CTRL] GWB would attract illegal parasitic scum to cast illegal ballots!
-Caveat Lector- Folks, Wouldn't be surprised if Mr. Buchanan will have to demand a re-count of votes cast in the border states. BI-PARTISAN GROUP OF COLORADO HISPANIC LEADERS ENDORSE GOVERNOR BUSH July 6, 1999 AUSTIN - Twenty-six Colorado Hispanic leaders endorsed Governor George W. Bush this afternoon as he arrived for a visit in Denver. The leaders include: Larry Trujillo, Spokesman Hispanic Leadership Group (Democrat) Juan Trujillo, Former State Representative (Democrat) Richard Martinez, Former County Commissioner (Democrat) Dan Sandoval, Hispanic Leader (Republican) Alberta Vega, Senator Campells Office (Unaffiliated) Tom Lopez, Former State Department Administrator (Democrat) Dave Conde, Former County Commissioner (Democrat) Fred Maes, Former County Commissioner (Democrat) Pierre Jimenez, State Official (Democrat) Mike Salaz, Former State Representative, Director Colorado Minority Business Office (Republican) Judy Newman-Jarmillo, School Administrator K-12 (Unaffiliated) Val Perez, Electrical Engineer / Telecommunications (Democrat) Virginia Cordova, County Commissioner (Republican) * Silver Jaramillo, Former Superintendent of Schools (Democrat) Sandra Ortega, Former Member Commission on Aging (Republican) Lee Duran, Former City Councilman, Colorado Springs (Republican) Lionel Rivera, Colorado Springs City Council (Republican) Art Gallegos, Rancher (Republican) Carl Zenon, Former Asst. City Manager State Official (Democrat) Charles Gomez, Hispanic Leader (Republican) Virginia Aragon, Former County Assessor (Democrat) Ben Aragon, Correctional Officer (Democrat) Jerry Navidad, President/ Owner Small Business Betty C. Debaca, Administrator / Educator K-12 (Democrat) Pam Sandoval, Administrator / Educator K-12 (Democrat) Terry Trujillo, Small Business Owner *Not in attendance at airport. ### Return to News Room Copyright ©1999 Official web site for Bush for President, Inc. All rights reserved. Disclaimer. Paid for by Bush for President, Inc.. http://www.georgewbush.com/News/July/c07-6-99.html Bard Visit me at: The Center for Exposing Corruption in the Federal Government http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm Federal Government defined: a benefit/subsidy protection racket! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Taj Mahal Will be the Tomb of Our Patent System
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 07/08/1999 1:46:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The PTO Taj Mahal is part of a plan to radically change our unique American patent system by "corporatizing" it into what the Commerce Department's Inspector General calls a "Performance Based Organization." This means pretending that the PTO is a business that is selling products, and modelling it after the multinationals that are lobbying aggressively for this change. But the PTO is not a business; it is the guardian and facilitator of one of our most precious constitutional rights: the Article I, Section 8 inventors' "exclusive right" to their inventions "for limited times." It isn't our guardian anymore. The Rehnquist court killed that idea about three weeks ago. That's just another Federal law that won't be applicable. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Thursday #1
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990708a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. : No insipid preconditions were imposed during production of this bulletin. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # "I believe there's life in outer space." (The Ottawa Citizen) E.T. is out there, astronaut Julie Payette believes -- but she doesn't expect him to call anytime soon. "It is very presumptuous for us to believe we are alone in the universe. We don't even amount to as much as a grain of sand. But it is also presumptuous to believe that these other forms of life would come to visit our little planet, in our little solar system, in a modest- sized galaxy in an enormous universe that contains several billion other galaxies." http://www.ottawacitizen.com/national/990707/2577736.html : Are you visiting Earth from another galaxy? Is it nice here, or hideous, or primitive? Do you harvest humans? Are we tasty, useful, smelly, holy??? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Pulpit holds folks together through ages. (Deseret News) -- Church pulpits are time machines. Using the pulpit, a pastor or priest can hurl his cong- regation back to the Garden of Eden or forward to Paradise. In The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, with lay clergy, everyone gets to drive the time machine. Is this the ultimate in interactive empowerment? Thru space/time: http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/1,1249,19026,00.html : Is religion a virtual journey? Does your belief system transport you or others across a space/time continuum? Do you live in a parallel dimension? Do Mormons live in another universe? Do you wish they'd stay there? Why?? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ * HOW TO DETECT A 2-WAY MIRROR. When we visit toilets, hotel rooms, changing rooms, etc., how can you that the seemingly ordinary mirror hanging on the wall is a real mirror, or actually a 2-way mirror (i.e. they can see you, but you can't see them)? It is very difficult to positively identify the surface by just looking at it. It's time to get paranoid. Just try this simple test: Place the tip of your fingernail against the reflective sur- face and if there is a GAP between your fingernail and the image of the nail, then it is a GENUINE mirror. However, if your fingernail DIRECTLY TOUCHES the image of your nail, then BEWARE, for it is a 2-way mirror! So remember, every time you see a mirror, do the "fingernail test". : Are you under surveillance? Do They watch you when you pee, change, sleep, groom? Do you test all mirrors already? Do the voices in your head make you? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Shoot-o-Rama: # Interviews with racist aired on TV. CHICAGO (AP) Chilling words videotaped by a racial shooting suspect left journalists pondering whether broadcast- ing Benjamin Smith's message would explain his hatred or spread it. NBC's "Today" show and ABC's "Good Morning America" aired interviews by the 21- year-old white supremacist, blamed for a 2-state shootfest that killed 2 and wounded 9, ending with Smith's suicide. In the ABC interview, conduc- ted by a student documentary filmmaker, Smith said a racial holy war was inevitable. On NBC, Smith described Jews as "a parasitic race" and sugges- ted that blacks be deported to Africa. Two experts in criminology believed the videos helped explain hate groups. And NPR interviewed Smith's guru. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560218131-069 : Are you non-Aryan, parasitic, sub-human, human-alien hybrid, trans-human, god-like? Do you want to kill/deport/exploit your inferiors/superiors? Why? # UNLICENSED GUN DEALER CHARGED IN MIDWEST SHOOTINGS. Legal proceedings have begun against an unlicensed gun dealer accused of illegally selling fire- arms that Benjamin Smith allegedly used in a two-state shooting spree tar- geting blacks, Jews and Asians. Donald Fiessinger, 64, appeared in federal court on charges of selling firearms without a federal dealer's license. Faces 5 years, fine: http://cnn.com/US/9907/07/illinois.shootings.02/ And see: http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560216744-c89 : Are Smith Fiessinger merely pawns in a gov't plot to further restrict outlaw personal firearms? Did CIA mind-control rays force Smith to kill? # U.S. HATE GROUPS HARD TO TRACK. The number of hate groups in the US is on the rise, and keeping track of them is difficult, at best. It's not even certain how many there are or how many members they have. But there's no doubt that Smith, 21, is suspected of killing 2 people wounding 9 others in a 3-day shooting spree targeting blacks, Jews Asians in the Midwest. 'They tend to be secretive' http://cnn.com/US/9907/07/hate.groups/ : Do you hate? Do you tend to be secretive? Is your hate group inspired by political/religious doctrine, money, ignorance, alien
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Thursday #2
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990708b - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. : No asinine assumptions were harmed during the production of this bulletin. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Human-alien matchup is inconceivable. (Deseret News) Question: If extra- terrestrial aliens did drop by to join with us Earthlings, what would the kids look like? Answer: That's easy, there'd be no kids. That is, unless . . . http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/1,1249,19909,00.html : Are you a human-alien hybrid? Wha do you look like? Was DNA re-engineering necessary? Do you control the media, politics, religion, finance? Why not?? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Meteor explodes above New Zealand. WELLINGTON (AP) - A meteor exploded in the sky above New Zealand, casting an eerie blue light and showering the earth with fragments from space. The explosion was followed by smoke and a flood of phone calls from people who saw the meteor streaking across the sky. No injuries were reported. "It was picked up by aircraft and on radar, so we've had some air traffic controllers calling too" - see http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560211723-944 : Who gains by bombarding Earth with meteors? What planets would you like to bombard? Do meteor explosions make good light shows? Are they just show-biz? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # PHILIPPINES VOLCANO BULGES, ALERT REMAINS. (Reuters) The slopes of Mayon volcano in the Philippines bulged further, suggesting growing pressure from inside the rumbling mountain in a prelude to a possible eruption. http://cnn.com/WORLD/asiapcf/9907/07/BC-PHILIPPINES-VOLCANO.reut/ : Are volcano gods pissed at you? Have you appeased them lately? Do virgin sacrifices work? Have you run out of virgins yet? What else have you tried? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # HOT SEAT. The Tokyo Fire Dept has alerted the public about the "Washlet" toilet. The high-tech toilet, used in nearly 40% of Japanese households, is apparently putting users in an uncomfortable position. Four fires in the past year have been traced to the toilets, which boast heated seats, a dizzying array of buttons, and automated warm-water bidets. Fire Dept officials say that worn-out wiring on older models is sparking the problem. http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/tip/story/20602.html and http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560211366-154 : Are electric toilets a form of social/mind-control, alien experimentation? Is your toilet powered by the commercial grid, batteries, solar, micronuke? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Israeli court rules on tombstones. JERUSALEM (AP) - In an unprecedented decision, Israel's Supreme Court ruled that individuals may choose between religious and secular calendars for inscriptions on tombstones. Lobbyists for religious freedom said the decision marked a great step forward in limiting the powers of ultra-Orthodox Jews in Israel. The ultra-Orthodox burial societies that oversee almost all Israeli cemeteries permitted only the Jewish dates. The Jewish calendar dates back more than 5,000 years and uses a Hebrew lettering system for numbers. Time marches on once again - see http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560217748-6a9 : What time system does your belief system utilize? Do you use multiple cal- endars? Was your favorite calendar devised by humans, aliens, deities, me?? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ @ Beginner's Tarot. One of the first and most important decisions a diviner of the arcana makes is what deck to use. I've seen everything used from poker cards to the Cat People deck to Aleister Crowley's Book of Thoth, and there was truth in all of them. The vital thing to learn is that the cards themselves HOLD NO POWER. Listen to this. Memorize it. It's import- ant. There will be a test on Tuesday. There are no dark gods or omnipotent presences that control the Tarot. the ability to divine events with the arcana comes from within your own heart soul. It doesn't matter whether your cards were designed by ancient gypsies, a playing card manufacturer from Utah, or even yourself. YOU are the one using the magick. The only power the cards themselves hold is whatever meaning you take from them. See http://www.paranormalnews.com/features/features062999.html : Do tarot cards symbolize power? Do all symbols contain power? Do symbolic powers manifest in your head, in the external world, in parallel universes? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Want Fries With That Close Encounter? UFO has landed in Hollywood. 13 feet in diameter, perched on retractable hydraulic legs topped by a flashing red beacon, the craft sits in a mini-mall parking lot. For six months the spaceship has been in terrestrial layover, parked in front of what used to be Tom's #25 Hamburgers. The eatery is now called the Area 51
[CTRL] Canada's only fusion lab to be dismantled, perhaps sold to Iran
-Caveat Lector- Canada's only fusion lab to be dismantled, perhaps sold to Iran 10.13 p.m. ET (214 GMT) July 7, 1999 OTTAWA (AP) Canada's only fusion laboratory, built with an estimated $110 million in public money, is for sale at a bargain price and Iran is the most likely buyer. The dismantling of the Canadian Center for Fusion Magnetics at Varennes, Quebec, marks the end of Canada's participation in the international quest for fusion, which many scientists see as the energy source of the future. "We have lost our foothold in fusion research,'' said Real Decoste, director of the center, who confirmed Wednesday that negotiations with the Iranians are nearing the final stages. Decoste said the laboratory was effectively doomed in 1996 when the federal government pulled out of the project, leaving its partners, including several agencies of the Quebec government, in disarray. Most of the staff, including about 40 researchers and 60 engineers, have already dispersed. The amount obtained from the sale if it goes through will be only a fraction of what was originally invested, Decoste said. Sean Rowan, a Foreign Affairs Department spokesman, said the sale requires several types of federal approval, and no export of militarily sensitive equipment to Iran will be permitted. He said consideration of the export application is in the early stages. Murray Stewart, president of the Canadian Nuclear Association, said the fusion equipment is incapable of being diverted to military purposes. Most of the processes involved have been in the public domain for years, he added. Stewart said Iran has a long-standing, non-military, commercial nuclear program and its interest in the project was not surprising. © 1999 Associated Press. All rights reserved. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Radio Device Could Put FANGS Into Police Pursuit Abilities
-Caveat Lector- From: Dan S [EMAIL PROTECTED] Excerpt from NLECTC Law Enforcement Corrections Technology News Summary, Thursday, July 8, 1999 (http://www.nlectc.org) "Radio Device Could Put FANGS Into Police Pursuit Abilities" Police (07/99) Vol. 23, No. 7, P. 36; Frio, Dan A New York engineer and a sheriff's deputy have developed a radio-controlled microchip, which they hope will be placed in every new car sold in the United States, allowing police to disable suspect cars' accelerators. Before the Frequency Activated Neutralization Generator System (FANGS) cuts off the gas pedal, the suspect's lights will flash and the horn will blow repeatedly to warn others in the area. But automakers need to be convinced to install FANGS chips in new cars, which could pose problems since the disabled accelerators could lead to accidents, inviting lawsuits. Also, some fear that FANGS' use of radio waves opens it to manipulation by non-police individuals, although the technology incorporates an internal alarm to alert authorities to tampering. Even if FANGS becomes standard in new cars, its drawbacks will keep it from entirely replacing older techniques for ending chases. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- ONElist Sponsor Campaign 2000 is here! http://www.onelist.com Discuss your thoughts; get informed at ONElist. See our homepage. [ISML] Insane Science Mailing List LIST MODERATOR: DAN S. To subscribe: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/isml DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] OT: Drudge cuts radio deal; MSNBC Cable video now online (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- This is also noteworthy for those who don't have MSNBC on cable or satellite. Home: http://www.msnbc.com/news/ Schedule: http://www.msnbc.com/oasched.asp Watch 24 hrs. w/ custom window: http://www.msnbc.com/m/lv/default.asp Audio Only: http://www.msnbc.com/news/asx/audio/28/MSNBC_ie5radio.asx Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPcap/1999-07/08/003r-070899-idx.html Matt Drudge Cuts Radio Deal With ABC Controversial Columnist's Show to Air Here By Howard Kurtz Washington Post Staff Writer Thursday, July 8, 1999; Page C01 Matt Drudge is coming to Washington--and plenty of other cities--over the heated objections of ABC News President David Westin. ABC Radio said yesterday that it has signed the Internet gossip columnist to a syndication deal that will put him on the network-owned stations in New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Detroit, Atlanta and Washington, where Drudge will be heard on WMAL-AM. Drudge, whose Sunday night show is already carried on New York's WABC, is getting a bigger major-market rollout than Rush Limbaugh. According to network sources, Westin vociferously argued that Drudge should not be part of ABC's corporate family. In meetings with Pat Fili-Krushel, the president of ABC Television, and Lyn Andrews, the head of ABC Radio Networks, Westin contended that Drudge was reckless and that the radio division would be sorry if it hired him. Fili-Krushel, in turn, raised the matter with Steven Bornstein, president of ABC Inc. The sources said Westin also noted that Drudge had been sued, a reference to the $30 million defamation lawsuit filed by White House aide Sidney Blumenthal after Drudge falsely accused him of spousal abuse. Drudge's signing was delayed more than a week by Westin's lobbying campaign. But the radio unit, which operates separately from the news division, prevailed. Drudge brushed off the criticism by Westin, who declined to be interviewed. "It doesn't bother me at all," he said from Los Angeles, where he will often do the show. "Hopefully one day I can become an apple of his eye like George Stephanopoulos and anchor the news." The former White House aide recently filled in as co-host of ABC's "World News Now" overnight news show. Geoff Rich, executive vice president of ABC Radio Today Entertainment, said Drudge is "a dynamite radio personality" and that the show "wouldn't be on the air if it didn't have a great breadth of support within ABC. I can't speak for the news executives." As for Drudge's controversial record, Rich noted that ABC long carried famed gossip-meister Walter Winchell on Sunday nights. "I expect him to be a responsible broadcaster," Rich said. "Are there things talk show hosts have said that later turned out not to be true? That's happened with every talk show out there--and it's happened with every news organization out there." Phil Boyce, program director at WABC, said he was "not too worried" about Westin's opposition. "It's not a news show, it's a talk show," Boyce said. "After he's done this for a while, our friends at ABC News will come on board." Drudge became a media star after he was the first to report on Monica Lewinsky's affair with President Clinton. He now has an America Online site, a Saturday show on Fox News Channel and the online Drudge Report, which recorded more than 20 million hits in the last month. Drudge remains a lightning rod; he was widely criticized for reporting on a supermarket tabloid's efforts to compare the DNA of an Arkansas youth with that of the president. The tests came back negative after a spate of "Clinton love child" stories. Drudge often beats up on the establishment media and recently criticized ABC for appearing to tout its ratings success in the wake of the Littleton, Colo., high school shootings. But, he said, "there's safety in working for different organizations. They can always throw me back to the Internet if they have to." ABC has given Drudge a six-figure deal and a share of future advertising revenues. While he'll debut Sundays on about 20 stations, Rich said he hopes to eventually air the program five days a week. In the latest ratings period, Drudge boosted his New York audience by 80 percent and beat everyone else on both AM and FM--a feat that Rich says is accomplished only by the likes of Limbaugh and Laura Schlessinger. John Butler, WMAL's program director, said the 10 p.m. show is a natural for Washington. "I think he'll do well," Butler said. "Drudge manages to find stories bubbling in all kinds of places before they hit more mainstream places." © Copyright 1999 The Washington Post Company = Kaddish, Kaddish, Kaddish, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them
[CTRL] Was CNN involved in a NATO effort to assassinate the Serbian information minister? (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Source: http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/jul1999/cnn-j08.shtml World Socialist Web Site Published by the International Committee of the Fourth International (ICFI) 8 July 1999 Was CNN involved in a NATO effort to assassinate the Serbian information minister? By Chris Marsden On Friday, July 2 the Independent newspaper in Britain ran an article by its Belgrade war correspondent Robert Fisk entitled Taken in by the NATO line. The article presents a devastating picture of the role of the press corps in the war against Yugoslavia. Fisk shows how, with rare execptions, reporters abandoned any standpoint of objectivity and adopted uncritically the official rationale for the war. For the most part infected themselves with the anti-Serb hysteria of US, British and NATO officials, they sought to justify the bombing campaign by reporting NATO propaganda as fact and accepting without question the statements of NATO spokesman Jamie Shea, President Clinton and Prime Minister Blair. He cites the example of a CNN reporter in Belgrade who astounded one of his English colleagues after NATO had bombed a narrow road bridge in the Yugoslav village of Varvarin, killing dozens of civilians, many of whom fell to their death in the River Morava. That'll teach them not to stand on bridges,' he roared. Fisk notes, This was not the kind of language he used on air, of course, where CNN's report on the bridge killings was accompanied by the remark that there had been civilian casualties according to the Serb authorities'all this when CNN's own crew had been there and filmed the decapitated corpse of the local priest. The Independent correspondent goes on to suggest that the collaboration of major media outlets with the NATO military campaign went beyond dishonest and unethical journalistic practices. At the end of the article he suggests that CNN and the network's Larry King Live show may have been complicit in an attempt to assassinate Serbian Information Minister Aleksander Vucic. Fisk writes: Two days before NATO bombed the Serb Television headquarters in Belgrade, CNN received a tip from its Atlanta headquarters that the building was to be destroyed. They were told to remove their facilities from the premises at once, which they did. A day later, Serbian Information Minister Aleksander Vucic received a faxed invitation from the Larry King Live show in the US to appear on CNN. They wanted him on air at 2:30 in the morning of 23 April and asked him to arrive at Serb Television half an hour early for make-up. Vucic was latewhich was just as well for him since NATO missiles slammed into the building at six minutes past two. The first one exploded in the make-up room where the young Serb assistant was burned to death. CNN calls this all a coincidence, saying that the Larry King show, put out by the entertainment division, did not know of the news department's instruction to its men to leave the Belgrade building. The World Socialist Web Site has sought to obtain a response from the Larry King Live program in Washington and CNN headquarters in Atlanta, Georgia to the description of events provided by Fisk. The publicist for Larry King Live and the press spokesperson for CNN News have failed to return repeated calls. Meanwhile, Fisk has come under attack from sections of the British media. On July 4 Henry Porter of the Observer, one of the newspapers most fervent in its support of NATO's war, published a reply to Fisk's piece, all but accusing the Independent reporter of being a stooge of Yugoslav President Milosevic. Porter asserts that Fisk was undeniably aided by the Serb authorities and filed reports on the war refracted through the lens of Serbian interest. Porter grants there was almost universal concern among editors and reporters about the level of accuracy of NATO briefings and admits there is good reason to conclude that the alliance was bent on an almost racist crusade against the Serbs. This, however, does not prevent him from indulging in a bit of anti-Serb racism of his own, noting that Fisk was given the sobriquet Fiscovic by some of his colleagues. Porter is outraged that Fisk appears to believe NATO is motivated by congenital imperialist tendencies, but even more intolerable is Fisk's decision to bring a dispute within the media to the attention of the public. The attack on Fisk indicates that his exposure of the deplorable performance of the press corp has hit a raw nerve, and, in particular, his revelations concerning CNN's role in the bombing of the Serb TV center have provoked considerable concern in high places. See Also: No reply from CNN [8 July 1999] http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/jul1999/king-j08.shtml Some cracks in the media propaganda front: reports of grossly exaggerated atrocity stories in Kosovo [6 July 1999] http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/jul1999/kos-j06.shtml Atrocity claims and the politics of propaganda A second reply to a
[CTRL] OT: Russian Satanic Cult Leaders Hunted (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Electronic Telegraph International News Thursday 20 March 1997 Issue 664 Satan cult leaders hunted after teenagers found hanged By Alan Philps in Moscow and Dmitry Belyakov in Tyumen RUSSIAN police are searching for the ringleaders of a Satanic cult in western Siberia, after a series of deaths among young devotees. The cult was concentrated near the oil city of Tyumen, 1,400 miles east of Moscow, where five young people were found hanged. The deaths were originally thought to be suicides. But pressure from the parents and the discovery of cabalistic jottings suggest the youths were involved in a seven-stage initiation ceremony that culminated in ritual suffocation. The deaths occurred last year, but the authorities have only now begun to act on evidence that the youths were suffocated before being hung up by leather belts to simulate suicide. The first death was in April, when Denis Abramov, 19, was found hanged in his room at home. In May it was the turn of Dima Bronnikov, 17, and in July, Stas Buslov was found hanged from a tree. Three days later his friend Sergei Sidorov, 18, died in the same manner at home, as did Tanya Stankeyeva, 22, in October. The first death occurred in the village of Roshchino, the other four in Antipovo, both villages on the edge of Tyumen. All the victims used to meet in a basement, which was equipped with a kind of Satanic altar and had walls painted with diabolical signs and cryptic symbols. The police, who have no experience of weird cults and want to keep the crime figures down, originally showed no interest in the deaths. But police captain Sergei Denisov said: "We have now launched an investigation into criminal activity by a Satanist sect. We are looking for the cult leader." Boris Buslov, the father of Stas, has spent months going through diaries left by his son. "I was looking for a suicide note or a hint of why he had hanged himself. When I started to read and decode his diaries it became clear that his death was the result of a cruel cult ritual - or perhaps it was that he knew who killed Dima Bronnikov and they could not let him escape." One of the notes left behind by Stas shows him predicting his own death: a boy is shown hanging from a tree. His father believes that four codenames - Gabriel, Sashiel, Anael and Mikhael - refer to the three dead boys and a fourth member, who has fled the town for fear of death. The mother of Sergei Sidorov said her son admitted to her shortly before his death that he was involve in a cult. "Mama, I'm a Satanist. I know it is bad, but I cannot escape. They are terribly strong." Thanks to contacts in the security services, Mr. Buslov discovered that 36 young people aged from 12 to 22 have hanged themselves in Tyumen province (population 700,000) in the past year. While there is no known connection to any cult, the high number of deaths has shaken the whole of western Siberia. A spokesman for the provincial prosecutor's office said: "We may be dealing with a serial killing, though it is not clear if this is murder or incitement to suicide." The leader of the cult is said to be a man in his 40s, who, helped by two younger acolytes, exerted enormous influence on naive provincial children. But, thanks to the tardiness of the police, there seems little chance of catching those responsible. The Orthodox Church originally refused to give the hanged youths a Christian burial, as it regards suicide as a mortal sin. But it has now decided that they are murder victims and will give them a proper burial once the investigations are completed. Churchmen blame the authorities for allowing a post-communist boom in cults - from foreign imports such as the Moonies to home-grown sects such as the Holy Virgin Centre and the White Brotherhood, whose supporters once flocked to the centre of Kiev to await the end of the world. "We must all share the blame for this," said Archbishop Dmitry of Siberia, speaking in the town of Tobolsk. He criticised President Yeltsin for sending his grandson to school in England. "Don't the politicians understand that, when their children come back to Russia, they also share the risk of being involved in an evil sect like the one killing children in Tyumen?" The archbishop had his own explanation for the Satanic cult: Lenin's mummified corpse, which is still housed in a mausoleum on Red Square in Moscow, was brought to Tyumen for safety during the war in 1942. "The seeds of Satanism were left behind after the body returned to Moscow," he said. = Kaddish, Kaddish, Kaddish, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day.
Re: [CTRL] This IS NOT a joke: FBI cancels leaves for Y2K (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- MICHAEL SPITZER wrote: -Caveat Lector- EXERPTS The Federal Bureau of Investigation recently notified all their agents that all leaves from Dec. 15 through mid-January -- even those previously approved -- are officially canceled. My comany is doing that too. An HMO. Thae are just being carefull. J2 -- Commenting on the infrequency of such a move by the FBI, the agent from the Department of Health and Human Services said, "To my knowledge, even during the Iranian crisis in 1980 and the war with Iraq, I don't think the entire FBI had been on alert and all annual leave canceled." "It's a mess," concluded the agent concerning the FBI's Y2K preparation. "They're very much behind. If it was a 72 hour 'snowstorm,' you wouldn't bring out 12,000 FBI agents on stand-by and, for the first time maybe in FBI history, cancel everybody's annual leave for a 20-30 day time frame. That's very significant. In my line of work, that's called a clue." DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Thursday #3
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990708c - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. : No paranormal speculations were harmed during production of this bulletin. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # I WAS A HOOKER FOR HEAVEN IN AN EVIL SEX CULT. "All they care about is power and money -- even if it means getting girls into prostitution." Miriam Williams spent 15 years as a member of a bizarre sex cult called Children of God, sleeping with countless men in the twisted notion that it "would show them God's love." The group, which is still flourishing, had 18,000 members at one time, including Fleetwood Mac guitarist Jeremy Spencer and dead-by-overdose film star River Phoenix, whose parents were members. Join up now: http://www.nationalenquirer.com/stories/10599.html : Does your belief system recruit members using sex drugs rock'n'roll, money, promises of eternal life or real-world power or cleaner complexion? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Pagan Leaders Champion Religious Freedom in Military. Calling for inter- faith dialogue and the affirmation of religious freedom as an inalienable human right, the leaders rejected attempts by Rep. Bob Barr (R-Ga.) and other US gov't officials to ban the practice of Wicca on military bases. "Wicca is a constitutionally protected religion, legally established in the U.S. for more than a quarter-century. If Rep. Barr and others succeed in outlawing this religion, what faith is safe?" asked Rev. Selena Fox. http://www.usnewswire.com/topnews/Current_Releases/0704-101.htm : Does your belief system promote banning competing belief systems? Should your belief system be banned? Should all belief systems be banned? Why not? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Mideast Misses the Net. Censorship, taxes, and traditional Muslim mores have curbed Net use throughout much of the Middle East. A human rights organization reports on the restrictions. @ Human Rights Watch: http://www.hrw.org/ # See also: Least Connected Nation Status: http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/16904.html : Does your belief system or culture prevent you from participating in the global culture and economy? Are you non-competitive? Will you evolve or die? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Casteism alien to Tamil culture. COIMBATORE, India. Casteism is a borrowed concept that had no place in ancient Tamil culture, Mr. K. Anbazhagan, Education Minister, explained. He said that although clans existed from early times, Tamils did not ostracize any section of people or treat them as untouchables. Casteism was the product of alien cultures having a bane- ful influence on the Dravidian way of life. Imposed by Aryan invaders: http://www.indiaserver.com/thehindu/1999/07/05/stories/0405223a.htm : Does your belief system promote social segregation, isolation, ostracism? Do you favor apartheid, castes, separation for social control? Will you win? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Cult disappears to find spaceship. At least 40 members of a cult have gone missing in the mountains of Colombia, when they apparently went to meet a spacecraft they believed would save them from catastrophes at the end of the millennium. The alarm was raised after the Gnostic Church Stella Maris cult, from Cartagena Colombia, did not return on Monday from a spiritual retreat. Colombian cops are searching the north Sierra Nevada mountains. http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/dynamic/news/story.html?in_review_id=154116 : Has your cult ever gone missing? Would anyone miss you? Will the Galactic Brotherhood save you? Will they save anyone else? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Cult leader: Praise t'Lord pass t'malnutrition. Debra Geileskey solemnly told her followers in the Magnificat Meal Movement that The Lord had told her to diet on the Eucharist. Over 14 months, the MMM guru claimed to have eaten nothing but "holy" wafers, except on 33 days when God told her she could eat normally. When caught with junk food, she blamed Satanic decept- ion. Mrs Geileskey, an ex-teacher, has a worldwide following of thousands, claims to see Jesus the Virgin Mary and to report messages from God. Mrs Geileskey's husband Gordon says his wife has prophesied that she will die on Sept 9 (9th day of the 9th month of '99) and that fire will destroy the MMM headquarters. He fears a Jonestown-style mass suicide. Waco redux? BBQ time? Hot diggidy: http://www.smh.com.au/news/9907/03/text/pageone4.html : Are you deceived by Satan much? Do you follow a holy-wafer-and-water diet? Are you fat anyway? Is your head? Are mass suicides always gov't-promoted?? Do you have thousands of followers? Do they give you cash, food, drugs, sex? Will you miss'em when they're gone? When will you be called to heaven? Now? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Inside a Virus Writer's Mind. Hackers who author the programs that infect
Re: [CTRL] (Fwd) Release: egg warning
-Caveat Lector- Questions 1) has the spraying of MSG on crops been approved? 2) How would a transporter work? 3) Would bacteria go through a transporter alive? 4) Does irradiation effect food in about the same way as a transporter would? 5) Know anything about Acidophilus Bacteria? One of the bacteria that mammals need to live! Who would supply it? http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/bacteria.htm Would being able to transport food allow someone to have control of the whole food supply - exspecially if they were to transport it directly to your fridge. -- Say hello to being a walking lab rat.-- ANSWERS: 1) has the spraying of MSG on crops been approved? I do not know. 2) How would a transporter work? depends; would 'they' try to transport directly or open up a ripple in time? can you open up a ripple (a potential black hole ON a planet)? 3) Would bacteria go through a transporter alive? it does not seem as if 'they' think so. 4) Does irradiation effect food in about the same way as a transporter would? ' I ' guess that it does. 5) Know anything about Acidophilus Bacteria? One of the bacteria that mammals need to live! Who would supply it? Once 'they' start spraying MSG on crops and add in GM plants that need antibiotics to be able germinate. Feed these items to animals and you have problems. So they want us to go vegetarian as much as possible so that it will go straight to humans. Beam me up Scotty. There is no signs of intelligent life down here! read: http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/the_end.htm then think -- How long did it take for predators (that ate a variety of things, that made such good fertilizer, that could be transported, think of a bear tree) to get rid of those lumbering, tree destroying dinosaurs? The Human body is a collaboration of many different bacteria. Much more interesting to a plant than a dinosaurs. When did things start going the other way? Fire they could live with, but if we were going to bogart (keep from them) our fertilizer, what use did we have any more? Plants have been shown to have a calming effect on most people. so when the Europeans stated to get rid of the rest of the forests they ended up with roaches, rats, fleas, disease. South America - wonder if the rain forests will do any better with ants? Yes, this means that when a society starts conquering to the extent that the Europeans die that it also has the potential of being suicidal. By this way of thinking, you could define the USA's current line up of propaganda and the political leaders that are feeding it to us as being (or from) homicidal maniacs. They made the surplus for some reason and now they want to take control world wide - in doing so they will eradicate themselves. Did they do their research behind the iron curtain? Did they want the researchers to have the true facts on history? The shortages ect behind the iron curtain were they also using those people as walking lab rats? What do they care if they mess up the Earth, they could control from space. BUT if you can follow my train of thought with what bacteria seems to already have done, do you think they will live, and if they do would you want them in control? how would they edit this story? How much do the bacteria that lives with us, that possibly lives in our brain, be able to tell other bacteria when they die? "They" advocate a monopoly, I say that the only way that the Human race might survive this is to go for diversity. If we play by their rules of "survival of the fitist", we all go. We better start thinking in terms of "survival of the species" The Pied Piper anyone have a convient asteriod for me to relocate to and about a million books to keep me occupied while this plays out? Alamaine Ratliff wrote: -Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded Message Follows --- === NEWS FROM THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY 2600 Virginia Avenue, NW, Suite 100 Washington DC 20037 World Wide Web: http://www.lp.org/ === For release: July 8, 1999 === For additional information: George Getz, Press Secretary Phone: (202) 333-0008 Ext. 222 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] === Are Americans too dumb to fry an egg? New egg warning label suggests we are WASHINGTON, DC -- A new federal plan to require a cigarette-style health warning on egg cartons -- that's right: egg cartons! -- proves that government bureaucrats think Americans are too dumb to boil an egg. And that's no yolk. "The eggheads in Washington, DC have gone too far," charged Bill Winter, Director of Communications for the Libertarian Party. "This new regulation -- which assumes that Americans can't cook breakfast without instructions from the FDA -- shows what happens when bureaucrats' judgment has been fried, scrambled, and
Re: [CTRL] Sovereignty
-Caveat Lector- Don't worry about the Framers' vision. The Rehnquist Court has obliterated federal law and anything Congress has to say. It happened just a couple of weeks ago. Your side is winning. Well except for the 6th amendment. They gave that the boot too. Prudy Prudy, Could you give a link or post the ruling you are talking about? If you posted it to the list I must have missed it. Thanks! === Jeff Russo [EMAIL PROTECTED] - "The power of accurate observation is often called cynicism by those who have not got it." -- George Bernard Shaw _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Church and Jewish Ideology -Sobran
-Caveat Lector- "...one of the principal incitements to anti-Semitism in this century: Jewish participation in Communism, with its terrifying persecution of Christians. Where is the...statement of Jewish leaders repudiating and repenting the Jewish role in a cause whose crimes dwarf those of Hitler? Did major Jewish spokesmen or organizations condemn Communism as it devoured tens of millions of Christians? Did a few brave Jews in the Soviet Union and the other Communist-ruled countries act, at personal risk, to shield Christians from arbitrary arrest and murder? Even today, how many Jews condemn Franklin Roosevelt for his fondness for Stalin, as they would condemn him if he had shown the slightest partiality to Hitler? " The Church and Jewish Ideology JOE SOBRAN'S COLUMN (Reprinted from SOBRAN'S, May 1999, page 4) The prevalent Jewish myth today is not the founding myth of Abraham or Moses on Sinai, but the story of Jewish persecution. In our time the Jews are defined less by ancestry than by "anti-Semitism," which is cited for many purposes, including the legitimation of the state of Israel. Most Zionists no longer claim that God gave the Holy Land to the Jews; instead they contend that the Jewish state is necessary as a haven for world Jewry. According to this modern myth, the Jews are in no way responsible for their own unpopularity from ancient times. What, then, is the source of such persistent hostility to this fundamentally innocent people? Why, the Catholic Church, of course! Many Jewish scholars find the seed of anti-Semitism in the Gospels of Matthew and John, where the Jews are depicted as engineering the Crucifixion, with the assistance of Romans who "know not what they do." Some Jews have even demanded that the offending passages be deleted from the Scriptures, not realizing (or caring) that Christians regard their holy books as off-limits to human editing. Others persist in blaming Pius XII for failing to condemn Nazism more strongly for its persecution of the Jews of Europe. The Catholic Church in particular has been targeted as the historic matrix of anti-Semitism; and unfortunately, many churchmen have accepted the role of defendant against accusers who will never acquit the Church or drop the case. In recent years the Vatican has tried, as far as possible, to appease Jewish objections. The Second Vatican Council, mindful of Nazi crimes, proclaimed that today's Jews don't share the guilt of the Jews who conspired to murder Christ. Pope John Paul II has been especially eager to cultivate good relations with the Jews, even making an unprecedented visit to a Roman synagogue a few years ago. He has gone so far as to name Steven Spielberg's Schindler's List as one of his favorite films -- though it contains scenes of nudity and simulated intercourse. In this spirit, the Vatican last year promulgated We Remember, a statement of repentance for the failures of the Church and the mass of Christians during the Holocaust (or Shoah, the Hebrew word that has become current lately). Its theme was that "erroneous and unjust interpretations of the New Testament" have contributed to anti-Semitism; and that the Church, though never a party to persecution, should have done more to oppose the "unspeakable tragedy" of the Shoah, which "can never be forgotten." The statement also affirmed the Church's "very close bonds of spiritual kinship with the Jewish people" and the "Hebrew roots of [Catholic] faith." Many Jews resented the statement's exculpation of the Church for the Shoah itself. The document distinguished sharply between regrettable Christian attitudes toward the Jews throughout European history (it made no reference to Jewish attitudes toward Christians) and the virulent nationalist and racialist anti-Semitism that arose in the nineteenth century. Predictably, a Jewish historian has rejected this distinction. In an article in the April issue of Commentary, "The Pope, the Church, and the Jews," Robert S. Wistrich, professor of modern Jewish history at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, attacks We Remember for defending Pius XII and for minimizing the Church's guilty role in fostering anti-Semitism through the ages. Wistrich belittles Pius's efforts to protect Jews as not only insufficient but lacking in "moral courage." As for the nineteenth-century anti-Semitic ideologies, they "presupposed a cultural framework that had been fashioned by centuries of medieval Christian theology, ecclesiastical policy, and popular religious myth." This is nothing new for Commentary, which has previously carried articles blaming Christianity itself for the Holocaust. Wistrich doesn't cite, though he might as well have, the charge of the Jewish scholar Jules Isaac that "the permanent and latent source of anti-Semitism is none other than Christian religious teaching of
Re: [CTRL] [SC] Cult disappears to find spaceship
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Hilary A. Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cult disappears to find spaceship ... At least 40 members of a cult have gone missing in the mountains of Colombia, when they apparently went to meet a spacecraft which they believed would save them from catastrophes at the end of the millennium. Should all cults go missing? Would they be missed? Should all cultists be encouraged to disappear? Should new cults be established so that more people can go missing? Could this technique relieve overpopulation? Who would you like to disappear? Note: people who join my cult, The Church Of The Otters [t'CotO] will NOT necessarily disappear, although some may wish to, and I won't try to stop them, at least not after they've signed over their worldly wealth to me, er, to t'CotO. To join, send money to: PO Box 888, Forestville CA 95436 USA And remember, disappearing is the ultimate in no-diet weight control. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Church and Jewish Ideology -Sobran
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Bill Kingsbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Church and Jewish Ideology JOE SOBRAN'S COLUMN (Reprinted from SOBRAN'S, May 1999, page 4) snip Jews have generally supported Communism, socialism, liberalism, and secularism; snip Methodists, Buddhists, Catholics, Baha'is; whites, blacks, reds, brown; people from a wide range of ethnicities and belief systems have "supported Communism, socialism, liberalism, and secularism" too. By the logic of this writer, ALL deserve being persecuted. But many Jews also have ardently OPPOSED "Communism, socialism, liberalism, and secularism". So, are a people deserving of persecution because SOME support ideas one doesn't like? "Some Methodists are Commies - so kill'em all. Some Lutherans Catholics were Nazis - fry the fuckers. Some Negroes vote GOP - drown the traitors. Everybody is different from me - y'all die." That's where that logic leads - to mass murder. IMHO Sobran is issuing a thinly-veiled call for genocide. This sucks. This is Nazi propaganda, hate-mail, incitement to riot. Bill, you're right on the edge. More of this won't be tolerated here at CTRL. Consider yourself warned. Ric Carter, co-moderator, CTRL DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Thursday #4
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990708d - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. : No metaphysical precepts were harmed during production of this bulletin. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # The education of Alice. Are white supremacists and anti-Semites using the Net to recruit upscale followers? Is the Internet somehow to blame - again? The murderous racist rampage by Benjamin Nathaniel Smith last weekend has reopened the question of the role of the Internet in promo- ting hate -- and even hate crimes -- among impressionable youths. http://www.salon1999.com/tech/feature/1999/07/08/internet_hate/ : Do you use the Net to recruit malleable youths for your cult, for sex, for experimentation, for implantation? Are you successful? What's your secret?? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ @ Cyberculture Counterconspiracy/Unthinkable Complexity. "The matrix has its roots in primitive arcade games," said the voice-over, "in early graphics programs and military experimentation with cranial jacks." On the Sony, a two-dimensional space war faded behind a forest of mathematically generat- ed ferns, demonstrating the spacial possibilities of logarithmic spirals; cold blue military footage burned through, lab animals wired into test systems, helmets feeding into fire control circuits of tanks warplanes. A consensual hallucination: http://www.konformist.com/1999/cybercon.htm : Do you conspire towards complexity? Is it all too much? Do you aspire to simplicity, devolution, going blotto? Is your mind afire? Do you randomize? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Church leader's funeral held. YEREVAN, Armenia (AP) 5000 people gathered for the funeral of Catholicos Garegin I, leader of the Armenian Apostolic [Orthodox] Church, who had worked to heal a 1500-year-old split with Roman Catholics. http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560224918-917 # N.Korea marks founder's death. SEOUL, S.Korea (AP) North Korean leader Kim Jong Il led memorial services for his late father Kim Il Sung, as military generals of the Stalinist state kowtowed to the 1st hereditary communist king. http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560225979-ef9 # Osama is choice name in Pakistan. ISLAMABAD (AP) While suspected terrorist Osama bin Laden made the US 10 Most Wanted List, Osama has become the name of choice for babies businesses in Pakistan's wildly conservative front- ier province. http://infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560224365-e29 : How do you honor leaders of your belief system, dead or alive? Are you or they better dead or alive? Will your belief system absorb or destroy others? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Algeria nixes Islamic Front amnesty. Leaders of a banned Islamic political party will not be covered by an amnesty for militants, nor will murderers or rapists: http://infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560223348-06b # Bahrain frees sheik. A leading opposition Shiite Muslim cleric was releas- ed to a hero's welcome in his home village, a day after being sentenced to 10 years in prison for spying and inciting unrest. Amnesty from Bahraini ruler: http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560226321-c7d # 40 Iraqis dead in clash. CAIRO, Egypt (AP) More than Iraqi 40 soldiers ruling Baath party officials have been killed in clashes with dissident Shiite Muslims in southern Iraq, a major opposition party said. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560224513-0bc : Should leaders of belief systems be imprisoned, killed, ignored, implanted or devoured? D'ya have anything special planned for a certain leader? What? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ SkeptiBriefs - ask your own questions: # Canada's fusion lab to be dismantled. OTTAWA (AP) - Canada's only fusion laboratory, built with an estimated $110 million in public money, is for sale at a bargain price - and Iran is the most likely buyer. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560218130-c84 # Czech gov't halts restitution. PRAGUE (AP) The Czech gov't decided to halt restitution for property confiscated from religious groups by the former communist regime; returning the property to its original owners requires a special law. http://infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560224356-b8a # The number of deaths in the US rises at the start of every month and drops at the end, and addicts spending their first-of-the-month gov't checks on drugs drink probably account for most of the difference. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560215371-30e # Ancient remains found in Honduras. TEGUCIGALPA (AP) Workmen building a new village to replace one axed by Hurricane Mitch have discovered significant remains of an ancient Indian culture, which has not yet been identified." See
Re: [CTRL] Sovereignty
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 07/08/1999 5:33:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don't worry about the Framers' vision. The Rehnquist Court has obliterated federal law and anything Congress has to say. It happened just a couple of weeks ago. Your side is winning. Well except for the 6th amendment. They gave that the boot too. Prudy Prudy, Could you give a link or post the ruling you are talking about? If you posted it to the list I must have missed it. Thanks! Well, I'll give you part of one story that ran in my very conservative daily paper. It surprised me tht they ran it. The original column was "Rightwing Supreme Court Busy Protecting Rights - but States Rights, not Your Rights." It was written for the LA Times by Erwin Chemerinsky, Professor of Law and Political Science at University of Southern California. There was a follow up the next day by Edward P. Lazarus, author of "Closed Chambers: The Rise, Fall and Future of the Modern Supreme Court. That was also done for the LA Times. I quote from Chermerinsky: In a startling series of decisions, the US Supreme Court has radically changed American government. For 2l2 years of American history, people have been able to sue state governments when a state violates federal laws and inflicts injuries. However last Wednesday, the Supreme Court ruled tht state governments generally cannot be sued in any court without their consent. The result is that state governments can violate federal law with impunity and nowhere be held accountable. The decisions are the height of conservative judicial activism. The five most conservative justices - William H. Rehnquist, Sandra Day O'Connor, Antonin Scalia, Anthony M. Kennedy, and Clarence Thomas - invented new rights for state governments at the expense of individuals. One of the cases involved a probation officer in Maine who was owed overtime pay by the state government under the federal Fair Labor Standards Act. The court ruled that the state government's sovereigh immunity meant that it could be sued in neither federal nor state court, even if the person suing had a right to the money. Another case involved a Florida investment method that allowed students to set aside funds to pay for college education. A company that developed the system sued Florida for infringement. The Supreme Court ruled that the state could not be sued in federal court, even if it had violated the company's rights. Because federal law precludes state courts from hearing patent cases and because in the Maine case the court held that state governments can't be sued in state courts without their consent, Florida now could profit greatly from violating the private company's patent and trademark, and there's nothing the company can do about it. The cases have huge implications. A state laboratory could dump toxic wastes in violation of federal laws, and those who become ill would have no recourse against the state in any court. A state university could violate copyright laws by making copies of a book and selling it to students at a few dollars less than its usual price, profiting at the expense of the publisher and author. States could ignore patent laws, violating the rights of inventors and patent holders, and no court will be able to grant relief. The Supreme Court based its ruling on its desire to protect federalism and state sovereignty. Yet in doing so, the court subverted the most basic constitutional principle of federalism: the supremacy of federal law. Article VI of the Constitution mandates that federal law is supreme over the states, and that state judges must obey federal law. The effect of Wednesday's decision iis that state governmets now can ignore federal law, and no court will be available to enforce it. The court also proclaimed tht states have a "right" to be free from lawsuits without their consent, even thought this right is nowhere to be found in the Constitution. The only provision dealing with the issue, the llth Amendment says tht a state cannot be sued in federal court by citizens of other states. There is no provision that limits the ability to sue a state in state court or that prevents a state from being sued in federal court by its own citizens. The high court simply invented a new right for state governments. Moreover, the court treated safeguarding state governments as the ultimate goal and left individuals - who are owed overtime pay, who own patents- with nowhere to turn for relief. (There is more here, but I'll wind up withthe last paragraph. Rights have meaning only if there is a remedy for their violation. The Supreme Court's deecisions mean that there is no remedy against state governments even when they violate rights created by federal law. In a breathtaking exercise of judicial activism, the court has subverted th superemacy of federal law and left countless individuals without recourse. End of Chemerinsky story. Lazarus
[CTRL] Comments on NWO by key figures - it's a coming....
-Caveat Lector- Date: Thursday, July 08, 1999 2:06 PM Subject: The American people will henceforth pledge their allegiance to regionalization. This regionalization is in keeping with the Tri-Lateral plan which calls for a gradual convergence of East West, ultimately leading toward the goal of one world government.. National sovereignty is no longer a viable concept." Zbigniew Brzezinski, National Security Advisor to President Jirnrny Carter. "It is the sacred principles enshrined in the United Nations charter to which the American people will henceforth pledge their allegiance." President George Bush addressing the General Assembly of the U.N., February 1, 1992. "Let me control a peoples currency and I care not who makes their laws." Meyer N. Rothchild in a speech to a gathering of world bankers, February 12, 1912. The following year, the U.S. instituted the newly incorporated Federal Reserve, headed by Meyer N. Rothchild. "By the end of this decade (2000 AD), we will live under the first One World Government that has ever existed in the society of nations... a government with absolute authority to decide the basic issues of human survival. One world government is inevitable." Pope John Paul U, from the book, The Keys of This Blood. "We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the 'RIGHT MAJOR CRISES' and the nations will accept the New World Order." David Rockefeller. "A colossal event is upon us, the birth of a New World Order." Brent Scowcroft, George Bush's National Security Advisor, said on the eve of the Gulf War. "NAFTA is a major stepping stone to the New World Order." Henry Kissinger, while campaigning for the passage of NAFTA. "Further global progress is now possible only through a quest for universal consensus in the movement towards a New World Order." Mikhail Gorbachev, addressing the U.N. in 1988. "Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed." Sara Brady, Chairman, Handgun Control, to Sen. Howard Metzenbaum in The National Educator, January, 1994. "Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal." Janet Reno, U.S. Attorney General. "And so a lot of people say there's too much personal freedom. When personal freedom's being abused, you have to move to limit it. That's what we did in the announcement I made last weekend on the public housing projects, about how we're going to have weapon sweeps and more things like that to try to make people safer in their communities." President Bill Clinton, March 22, 1994, MTV. "We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans." President Bill Clinton, March 11, 1993, USA Today. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] `NAFTA' for military proposed
-Caveat Lector- Date: Thursday, July 08, 1999 2:31 PM Subject: Toronto Star: `NAFTA' for military proposed - July 7, 1999 Subject: Toronto Star: `NAFTA' for military proposed - July 7, 1999 Exclusive http://www.thestar.com/back_issues/ED19990707/news/990707NEW01b_FO-ARMY7.ht ml U.S. war college report urges joint command with Canada, Mexico By Linda Diebel Toronto Star Latin America Bureau MEXICO CITY - A United States military report advocates a joint command for American, Mexican and Canadian forces, in the same way the three countries are united under free trade. The report, by Lt.-Col. Joseph Nunez for the U.S. Army War College in Carlisle, Pa., also suggested a North American peacekeeping force, headquartered in the U.S., with deputy commander positions rotating between Canada and Mexico. ``Moving from bilateral arrangements to a (military) organization that reflects regional economic and security concerns is a better strategy, particularly considering our burgeoning trade through NAFTA (North American Free Trade Agreement) and the growing threat of terrorism that can penetrate through our borders,'' the report said. The war college study is the first to publicly advocate the sensitive issue of integrated military command - a matter of sovereignty in Canada and Mexico, as well as countries throughout the hemisphere. Such a command would co-ordinate military action on terrorism, insurgency, security threats and drug trafficking. -- `It's an important issue and it's time to take a good, hard look at how we currently operate. If we fail to change our current strategy, the country could become less stable . . . . ' - Lt.-Col. Joseph Nunez, for the U.S. Army War College -- Nunez said the joint command would replace, for example, NORAD (the North American Aerospace Defence command) which ``is getting pretty out-of-date when it comes to drugs, terrorism and other threats.'' ``The U.S. does not have the kind of working arrangement with Canada and Mexico that it should.'' Nunez admitted the proposed unified command ``may be a U.S. defence arrangement, but a lot of things would evolve to the benefit of Canada and Mexico - that would be my hope.'' Most major initiatives in Canada in recent years - from free trade with the United States to the ongoing initiative of a hemisphere-wide economic pact - began with reports from think-tanks or academia. The report comes during debate over other controversial free-trade issues, such as whether Canada should adopt the U.S. dollar as advocated in a recent report by the C.D. Howe Institute, a conservative think-tank in Toronto. -- `A lot of the geographic considerations are a bit out-of-date' -- Canadian nationalists have seen free trade as the tip of an iceberg that put Canada at risk in other areas, from culture to monetary policy. ``A lot of the geographic considerations are a bit out-of-date and do not reflect current realities,'' Nunez, 43, a former West Point instructor, told The Star yesterday. He said his report, which carries a stamp saying it does not necessarily reflect the views of the U.S. Defence Department, has garnered a lot of attention in recent days. The war college has received requests for copies from the Canadian and Mexican governments, as well as several U.S. government departments, including state and defence. ``It's an important issue and it's time to take a good, hard look at how we currently operate,'' he said. In Ottawa yesterday, Lt.-Cmdr. Denise Laviolette, defence department spokesperson, said she had never heard of the study, adding it was not an ongoing concern of the Canadian Forces. She added the report would carry more weight if it had come from the Pentagon, rather than the war college, a teaching institute that focuses on strategic perspectives. Nunez, a 22-year army veteran, said a joint North American command would expand as free trade involved more countries in the hemisphere. If, for example, the proposed Free Trade Area of the Americas becomes reality, the military command would stretch from Alaska to Tierra del Fuego. Asked whether he foresaw the joint command leading to an integrated armed force, with everyone marching under one flag, Nunez said: ``I see it growing, with all of the change and integration of new ideas . . . what it achieves depends on the types of missions it is assigned.'' -- `It's time to take a good, hard look at how we currently operate' -- The report has created a stir in Mexico since it was published by the Mexico City daily, El Financiero. Nunez' report is called ``A New United States Strategy for Mexico,'' and details current revolutionary movements in Mexico and the threat to U.S. national interests here. ``If we fail to change our current strategy, the country could become less stable, thus jeopardizing the viability of NAFTA and the Free Trade Area of the Americas,'' it said. Nunez said yesterday a joint peacekeeping
Re: [CTRL] [SC] Comments on NWO by key figures - it's a coming....
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Hilary A. Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: The American people will henceforth pledge their allegiance to regionalization. I'm skeptical about this. Sounds like more propaganda controlled by those telepathic giant squids. When they join with their space- mollusk brethren, we'll HAVE to break down the petty, artificial boundaries that divide humanity - or they'll devour us. Yow. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] NWO: A NAFTA plan for military? [TorontoStarExclusive]
-Caveat Lector- July 7, 1999 Exclusive `NAFTA' for military proposed U.S. war college report urges joint command with Canada, Mexico By Linda Diebel Toronto Star Latin America Bureau MEXICO CITY - A United States military report advocates a joint command for American, Mexican and Canadian forces, in the same way the three countries are united under free trade. The report, by Lt.-Col. Joseph Nunez for the U.S. Army War College in Carlisle, Pa., also suggested a North American peacekeeping force, headquartered in the U.S., with deputy commander positions rotating between Canada and Mexico. ``Moving from bilateral arrangements to a (military) organization that reflects regional economic and security concerns is a better strategy, particularly considering our burgeoning trade through NAFTA (North American Free Trade Agreement) and the growing threat of terrorism that can penetrate through our borders,'' the report said. The war college study is the first to publicly advocate the sensitive issue of integrated military command - a matter of sovereignty in Canada and Mexico, as well as countries throughout the hemisphere. Such a command would co-ordinate military action on terrorism, insurgency, security threats and drug trafficking. `It's an important issue and it's time to take a good, hard look at how we currently operate. If we fail to change our current strategy, the country could become less stable . . . . ' - Lt.-Col. Joseph Nunez, for the U.S. Army War College Nunez said the joint command would replace, for example, NORAD (the North American Aerospace Defence command) which ``is getting pretty out-of-date when it comes to drugs, terrorism and other threats.'' ``The U.S. does not have the kind of working arrangement with Canada and Mexico that it should.'' Nunez admitted the proposed unified command ``may be a U.S. defence arrangement, but a lot of things would evolve to the benefit of Canada and Mexico - that would be my hope.'' Most major initiatives in Canada in recent years - from free trade with the United States to the ongoing initiative of a hemisphere-wide economic pact - began with reports from think-tanks or academia. The report comes during debate over other controversial free-trade issues, such as whether Canada should adopt the U.S. dollar as advocated in a recent report by the C.D. Howe Institute, a conservative think-tank in Toronto. `A lot of the geographic considerations are a bit out-of-date' Canadian nationalists have seen free trade as the tip of an iceberg that put Canada at risk in other areas, from culture to monetary policy. ``A lot of the geographic considerations are a bit out-of-date and do not reflect current realities,'' Nunez, 43, a former West Point instructor, told The Star yesterday. He said his report, which carries a stamp saying it does not necessarily reflect the views of the U.S. Defence Department, has garnered a lot of attention in recent days. The war college has received requests for copies from the Canadian and Mexican governments, as well as several U.S. government departments, including state and defence. ``It's an important issue and it's time to take a good, hard look at how we currently operate,'' he said. In Ottawa yesterday, Lt.-Cmdr. Denise Laviolette, defence department spokesperson, said she had never heard of the study, adding it was not an ongoing concern of the Canadian Forces. She added the report would carry more weight if it had come from the Pentagon, rather than the war college, a teaching institute that focuses on strategic perspectives. Nunez, a 22-year army veteran, said a joint North American command would expand as free trade involved more countries in the hemisphere. If, for example, the proposed Free Trade Area of the Americas becomes reality, the military command would stretch from Alaska to Tierra del Fuego. Asked whether he foresaw the joint command leading to an integrated armed force, with everyone marching under one flag, Nunez said: ``I see it growing, with all of the change and integration of new ideas . . . what it achieves depends on the types of missions it is assigned.'' `It's time to take a good, hard look at how we currently operate' The report has created a stir in Mexico since it was published by the Mexico City daily, El Financiero. Nunez' report is called ``A New United States Strategy for Mexico,'' and details
[CTRL] Should homosexuals who are HIV-negative be allowed to donate blood?
-Caveat Lector- http://www.becounted.com/ A homosexual male in Washington, D.C., is filing a discrimination complaint because he is not allowed to donate blood, despite being HIV-negative. Make YOUR opinion count. http://www.becounted.com/ Bard DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Super-ionized Sufi Water (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- From: "Dakota" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 Subj: [earthchanges] Fw: Sufi Water http://www.transformacomm.com/water/watertalk.htm Sufi Water - part 1 of 2 Mother Earth - The New Consciousness and Sacred Water A Talk presented by Drunvalo Melchezidek Introduction Drunvalo Melchezidek gave this talk on May 1st '99 at the Wesak '99 celebration help at Mount Shasta. The message has such an importance that the word needs to go out there and be spread to all. If the version of the document has been mangled or has parts missing due to multiple forwarding, you can find the original at http://www.transformacomm.com/ in both HTML and TXT (ASCII) format. Please see the bottom of this document for additional notes. Summary of Talk Some Sufi masters in Turkey who had been doing powerful Zikhr chants have presented to the world a water that appears to be alive and have God-consciousness. This water has different effects on different things. It seems to have an optimal effect on whatever it touches. They used it in one of the most polluted bays in the world... dark with black bubbles. It became totally clear within a few days. Unfortunately the channels coming into the bay continue to pollute it. Drunvalo Melchezidek had just come from a meeting with FBI, CIA, military officials, and top corporation scientists in Washington where they demonstrated this water in action. It cleared away the most disgusting pollution in glass containers (sewage, oil, chemicals) very quickly with only a teaspoon of the water. They also did experiments with huge ponds of water with the same results. This water also put out chemical and petrochemical fires and methane fires at garbage fill sites that had not been successfully put out before... and the fires would not restart afterwards. It also works the same on forest fires. Some environmental scientists at the meeting said that if a miracle like this had not come along, the earth would be dead within 3 years due to the pollution. The best news is that the governments are willing to allow this water to be used to clear the planet's pollution. This water is called super-ionized water. A company out of Istanbul, Turkey has been started by Ihan Doyuk called Perfect Science. A 48 million-dollar plant has been built in Turkey to produce 100,000 tons of this water a day. The water seems to have many more uses. Drunvalo could not say more due to a confidentiality agreement he had signed. He could not tell us what it does to human bodies but he did say that it may be the most interesting use of the water of all. Complete Transcript of the Talk (Ed: If you want to go directly into the heart of the presentation, skip to Part II) [see below] Part I - Setting the stage New concepts and Ideas are coming Drunvalo: Ok. We are ready to begin now. What I am about to tell you about today is one of the more exciting things that I have seen in this world in a long time. This is brand new; you've never heard me talk about it before and it is just beginning in the planet right now. As I see it, we are never going to be the same after this is understood and it is actually really lived in this world. About six years ago, I was in meditation with a man called [Chichi Tad Armachid Vollites (???)], some of you know this [poet (???)]. And, in a single day, he said he had to leave, that him and most of the ascended masters, not all of them, but a great deal of them, had to go on a journey to another universe to live the experience of what we are all going to live very soon, so that they could find a pathway to this new world, this new way of being. And, for about the last six years, I have been alone with the angels and he's been gone. In January of this year, the angels came in and they said that many of them are now returning in the Egyptian window which is between January 10th and January 19th. That a certain group of them was coming back, and were bringing with them the knowledge of what they'd learned over the last six years. Which, in the other dimensional levels was really hundreds and hundreds of thousands of years. And that, with their coming back, new concepts and new ideas that mankind has never known or ever even conceived of before, would now [emerge (???)] on the earth. Ideas we've never ever thought of. So, I am going to give you one of these new ideas, that has... it's new, but it is always in the universe. But we have never seen it ever before, not ever. And, I am going to call this talk, Mother Earth - The New Consciousness and Sacred Water. Laying the Groundwork I am going to talk about water. In fact, I am going to drink some right now (laughter). Water is more than we know. In order to talk about what is going on with water, I have to begin by laying out some groundwork so you can understand a larger context of what I am really talking about
[CTRL] Fw: AANEWS for Thursday July 8, 1999
-Caveat Lector- from: AMERICAN ATHEISTS subject: AANEWS for July 8, 1999 A M E R I C A N A T H E I S T S #604 ~~ 7/8/99 http://www.atheists.org ftp.atheists.org/pub/atheists/ http://www.americanatheist.org - A Service of AMERICAN ATHEISTS "Leading The Way For Atheist Civil Rights And The Separation Of State and Church" -- In This Issue... * Questionable health claims justify eroding separation * RLPA action slated in House for next Wednesday * Germany defies Vatican; RU-486 legal * "Oral Sex" -- fear and loathing from the courtroom to the school * Resources * About this list... CBN REPORT: PSYCHOLOGIST SAYS "LOWER THE WALL" TO PROTECT KIDS FROM VIOLENCE Jefferson's "fence" of separation between church and state? That's an idea being proposed by psychiatrist David Larson, who according to a report aired on Pat Robertson's Christian Broadcasting Network, suggests that the First Amendment needs to be reconfigured in order to deal with an alleged epidemic of youth violence. Last night's opening segment of the CBN "700 Club" program included a segment by reporter Gailon Totheroh titled "Kids and Psychiatric Drugs: Quick Fix or Harmful Mix?" Totheroh noted that one of the youngsters behind the Columbine High School shootings last April, Eric Harris, was taking the prescription drug Luvox which in some cases may result in mania. "And maniacs sometimes kill," observed Totheroh. Other students linked to school violence were using prescribed drugs such as Ritalin and Prozac, a fact which prompted psychiatrist Peter Breggin to suggest, "We've had guns in this society for a long time, we've had angry children for a long time, but it's only in recent years that we're getting these really bizarre kinds of school shootings... I believe that very well could be the influence of the drugs." While other mental health professionals debated the existence of a link between violence and legal, prescribed drugs, psychiatrist David Larson has a different approach. Totheroh reported, "Beyond the medical questions surrounding school violence are mental health concerns, including spiritual faith. Psychiatrist David Larson says, for the sake of the kids, we might lower the wall keeping church and state apart." Larson declared, "Where nothing is working, whether it's violence or at-risk populations in poor environments, we need to look for factors that might be effective. And where nothing's working, maybe that wall needs to become more of a fence." Larson went on to blame factors such as family breakdown for an alleged rise in school violence. Dr. Larson is one of a number of credentialed experts insisting that there are important links between positive health, both mental and physical, and religious belief. He currently is a research psychiatrist and president of the private National Institute for Healthcare Research in Rockville, Maryland, and has made a number of claims concerning spirituality and medical healing. He says that in a review of medical literature, 19 of 20 studies indicated that religion played a "positive role in preventing alcoholism," and 16 out of 17 studies indicated a similar link in reducing rates of suicide. Larson's claims are reported extensively in the religious press, such as an article which appeared in "Breakpoint With Charles Colson" (former Watergate crook-turned-evangelist) which claimed, "Religiously committed people report much higher levels of satisfaction with their marriage and much lower rates of divorce." According to the December 9, 1998 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), "Larson said physicians are ready to accept spirituality into their arsenal of treatment provided that good science backs it up." He suggests that physicians grill patients concerning their religious beliefs on the first office visit. While claims of the alleged benefits between spirituality and mental or physical health proliferate, though, not all scientists and others in the field of medicine are convinced. Kevin Courcey, a mental health professional and writer remains skeptical, and notes that Larson's approach has been criticized in professional literature. He cites a piece in the respected British journal The Lancet (Lancet 1999; 353: 664-667), noting, "The article specifically criticized Larson's approach as unethical ... the methodology was flawed, and at this point we have no evidence that religious belief is beneficial to health." Courcey adds that the team investigating claims by Larson and others "went even further by pointing out that even if religious belief WAS shown to be beneficial, it would simply fall into a category like being married, or being wealthy." He noted that any physicians would be "way out of line if they suggested to a patient that what
Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who are HIV-negative be allowed to donate blood?
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Bard [EMAIL PROTECTED] A homosexual male in Washington, D.C., is filing a discrimination complaint because he is not allowed to donate blood, despite being HIV-negative. Complaint disallowed. Next! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Benjamin Smith another mind control op
-Caveat Lector- Every Classic Symptom "In all my years of research I have never seen a story which more clearly exhibits the classic symptoms of a man who is a victim of a mind control operation... right down to the ending 'suicide' scenario Benjamin Nathaniel Smith displays every single classic symptom that we know. There are only 5 organizations known to have the expertise to be able to do it, Israel operating in conjunction with its Mossad American Intelligence arm the Anti Defamation League, Great Britain, Russia, Red China, and the United States. All of them hope to disarm the American People." - William Cooper Benjamin Smith's trail of violence From the Hoosier Times, July 6, 1999 Benjamin Nathaniel Smith moved to Bloomington in the spring of 1998 to attend Indiana University. His distribution of white supremacist literature in the area provoked a widespread community reaction, and an ad hoc organization called Bloomington United formed to oppose such actions. Under the groups auspices, yard signs urging "no hate speech, no hate crimes" sprouted throughout the city. In November 1998, about 500 people participated in a downtown rally against hate literature. FRIDAY 8:20 p.m. Six Orthodox Jews are wounded as they leave their synagogue in Chicago. 8:52 p.m. Ricky Byrdsong, former mens basketball coach at Northwestern University, is shot to death while walking with his children in Skokie,Ill. 9:21 p.m. An Asian-American couple in Northbrook, Ill., are fired several times after an apparent traffic altercation. Neither are hit. SATURDAY 1:15 p.m. A 31-year-old black man walking across the street in Springfield, Ill., is shot in the buttock by a man in a blue Ford Taurus or similar make of vehicle. About 15 minutes later and eight blocks away, two black men are fired upon by a passing motorist. Neither are hit. 2:50 p.m. Three shots are fired at a black minister crossing the street to his residence in Decatur, Ill. The man is hit in the shoulder and hip; the third bullet hit his cell phone. 11:50 p.m.Shots are fired at six men of Asian descent on a corner near the University of Illinois, in Champaign-Urbana, Ill. One man is seriously injured when a bullet hits him in the leg. The police investigation began to focus on Smith after witnesses provided police with a license plate number from an out-of-state plate that matched a vehicle registered to Smith. SUNDAY 11 a.m. Won-Joon Yoon, a 26-year-old Indiana University doctoral student, is shot and killed outside the Korean United Methodist Church in Bloomington. Witnesses recorded the license plate number of a car seen leaving the scene and it matched Smiths car. 9:30 p.m. A man matching Smiths description carjacks a minivan at gunpoint at a truckstop in Ina, Ill. As police pursue the van toward the town of Salem, the man, later identified as Smith, shot himself twice and the minivan crashed. As Smith struggled with deputies and police officers who tried to subdue him, Smith shot himself a third time in the throat with a .22-caliber semi-automatic handgun. He died a short time later at Salem Public Hospital. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: [Should homosexuals who are HIV-negative be allowed todonate blood?
-Caveat Lector- A homosexual male in Washington, D.C., is filing a discrimination complaint because he is not allowed to donate blood, despite being HIV-negative. Complaint disallowed. Next! If a homosexual wants to give blood, then it should ONLY be given to another homosexual.noone else!! Let them pass their dirty blood amongst each other. And, a test can come back negative even when the donor is HIV positive.You take the chance if you wantcourts should not be tied up with this kind of shit. As a heterosexual, the thought of having a homosexuals's blood running through my body makes me ill. And, I know I don't stand alone on this! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Benjamin Smith another mind control op
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Lyn McCloskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Every Classic Symptom "In all my years of research I have never seen a story which more clearly exhibits the classic symptoms of a man who is a victim of a mind control operation... right down to the ending 'suicide' scenario Benjamin Nathaniel Smith displays every single classic symptom that we know. There are only 5 organizations known to have the expertise to be able to do it, Israel operating in conjunction with its Mossad American Intelligence arm the Anti Defamation League, Great Britain, Russia, Red China, and the United States. All of them hope to disarm the American People." - William Cooper Can anyone here cite a mind-control profile - a list that specifies "the classic symptoms of a man who is a victim of a mind control operation" ?? Presumably those symptoms include escalating levels of social isolation and targeted violence, climaxed by suicide - but what else is there? Not just off the top of your head, now - I'd like to be able to read the profile, check the sources and citations. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Church and Jewish Ideology -Sobran
-Caveat Lector- At 02:55 PM 7-8-1999 -0700, you wrote: snip Jews have generally supported Communism, socialism, liberalism, and secularism; snip Methodists, Buddhists, Catholics, Baha'is; whites, blacks, reds, brown; people from a wide range of ethnicities and belief systems have "supported Communism, socialism, liberalism, and secularism" too. By the logic of this writer, ALL deserve being persecuted. Not at all. That's -entirely- your own paranoid and out-of-context invention -- hyperbole and mega-revision of precisely what the author -was- saying snip inflamatory rant IMHO Sobran is issuing a thinly-veiled call for genocide. This sucks. This is Nazi propaganda, hate-mail, incitement to riot. Bill, you're right on the edge. More of this won't be tolerated here at CTRL. Consider yourself warned. Ric Carter, co-moderator, CTRL Your fear pattern is noted. Perhaps you took the following in the -exact opposite- spirit from which the author intended, when he wrote : "Judaism and Christianity are radically opposed over the most important thing of all: Jesus Christ, who commands us to be wise as serpents and harmless as doves, and to love our enemies, which does not mean mistaking them for friends." ...the author specified: "harmless as doves" and "love your enemies." Is that a call to genocide ? Just the opposite. Christian charity is more like it. How does any of this justify censorship of important historical dynamics that do affect Conspiracy Theories, as they exist in the (pre-censored) real world ? Would you have complained at all -- if I'd posted an article listing how pope Pius XII -and Catholics- were responsible for the (non-Marxist) Holocaust ? Are you afraid the other side of the story may see the light of day ? Please relax. BK . DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] CTRL] Fw: [Should homosexuals who are HIV-negative be allowed to donate blood?
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: day [EMAIL PROTECTED] A homosexual male in Washington, D.C., is filing a discrimination complaint because he is not allowed to donate blood, despite being HIV-negative. Complaint disallowed. Next! If a homosexual wants to give blood, then it should ONLY be given to another homosexual.noone else!! Let them pass their dirty blood amongst each other. And, a test can come back negative even when the donor is HIV positive. You take the chance if you wantcourts should not be tied up with this kind of shit. As a heterosexual, the thought of having a homosexuals's blood running through my body makes me ill. And, I know I don't stand alone on this! Then I suppose you wouldn't mind if you received a transfusion from an HIV+ heterosexual donor, eh? After all, the majority of people with AIDS/HIV *are* hetero. And if you're in need of a transfusion, and the only suitable blood available is from a healthy G/L/B/T, then we'll just have to let you die. Sure, no problem. Think of it as evolution in action. Your real problem, of course, is that the telepathic giant squids have taken control of your mind, turning your natural homoerotic tendencies into outer-directed self-loathing. The situation cited above, about a discrimination complaint, is IMHO bogus, a stalking-horse to elicit gay-bashing responses. NO court or commission is going to seriously consider a complaint that would result in spreading infectious diseases - I hope. Yah, the squids could mess up a judge's mind too, eh? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Cyberculture Counterconspiracy
Please send as far and wide as possible. Thanks, Robert Sterling Editor, The Konformist http://www.konformist.com http://www.konformist.com/1999/cybercon.htm Cyberculture Counterconspiracy Intro "Unthinkable Complexity" by Kenn Thomas "The matrix has its roots in primitive arcade games," said the voice-over, "in early graphics programs and military experimentation with cranial jacks." On the Sony, a two-dimensional space war faded behind a forest of mathematically generated ferns, demonstrating the spacial possibilities of logarithmic spirals; cold blue military footage burned through, lab animals wired into test systems, helmets feeding into fire control circuits of tanks and war planes. "Cyberspace. A consensual hallucination experienced daily by billions of legitimate operators, in every nation, by children being taught mathematical concepts A graphic representation of data abstracted from the banks of every computer in the human system. Unthinkable complexity. Line of light ranged in the nonspace of the mind, clusters and constellations of data. Like city lights, receding ." --William Gibson, Neuromancer The durability of Gibson's description of the internet testifies to the writer's talent. He wrote it in 1983 and now, in 1999, it's only beginning to seem dated, even though consumer computer technology has evolved through many generations. More advanced military technology still awaits transfer down to the cyberpeonage. Steamshovel Press has telegraphed suggestions of it in reports on topics like the PROMIS backdoor variations (1) found on web browsers, and the super-surveillance ECHELON satellite system, portrayed but not named in the movie Enemy of the State (2). Gibson's elegant description, of course, has yet to catch up with William S. Burroughs' Interzone visions, Burroughs dead since 1997, and cohort Tim Leary, the true champion of the cyberculture, years gone now as well.(3) Their presences still beam, however, as Steamshovel Press readers jacked into the grid await further surprises from the developing technology. It came as no surprise that the Heaven's Gate webmasters were Steamshovel fans. The group's combination of UFO obsession and alienation from the mainstream culture fit the reader profile, albeit in a fatally exaggerated form (4). For the more typical reader, Steamshovel's pulp-paper presence began on the newsstands in 1992, although as a small zinelet it's history extends back to 1988. It circulated among the other bygone zines with names like Ganymedean Slime Mold, Popular Reality, Crash Collusion, Jim Keith's old Dharma Combat, and Greg Bishop's still current Excluded Middle, produced by bright minds, anarchists, fanboys, varieties of sex maniacs, religious cultists, and really good graphic artists and writers, already going nuts with the technology of cheap, easy paper reproduction. Those familiar with this history know that this creative frenzy of small publishers blossomed into the Factsheet Five phenomenon, and remains quite a contrast to the vapid media dross hardcopy on the magazine stands but rushed also to the new electronic playground. As that activity and energy enlivened the developing electronic technology, Steamshovel began to develop its web presence even as it became more of a newstand magazine. The Steamshovel Press web site resides at http://www.umsl.edu/~skthoma. The volumes of Cyberculture Counterconspiracy collect material posted to the web by Steamshovel Press over the past several years. This material has been removed from the web now to make the site less cumbersome, and to make these volumes unique. Appropriately enough, Cyberculture Counterconspiracy uses one of the new digital technologies for books, the laser book imprint. These web pages have been submitted to the digital system of a major distributor, where they remain on file until orders come in. Steamshovel may print copies one at a time but also can produce thousands of copies for bookstore distribution. At present, this process remains more expensive than regular printing and distribution, but it provides a degree of flexibility unavailable the old fashioned way. Steamshovel produces only what it needs to satisfy demand, and the book never goes out of print. The first volume of Cyberculture Counterconspiracy collects the most prominent feature of the Steamshovel web site, a column called "The Latest Word." Changed sometimes as frequently as every week, this column includes short informational features, interviews and editorials, by writers like Jim Keith, Len Bracken and Adam Gorightly, and others whose longer pieces often appear in the newsstand Steamshovel. It chronicles the Clinton conspiracy era, beginning with the White House report using Steamshovel material that led to the coining of the phrase "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy." It includes Peter Dale Scott's definitive analysis of the Lewinsky matter as a military
[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Results of Concentration Camp Trip
Please send as far and wide as possible. Thanks, Robert Sterling Editor, The Konformist http://www.konformist.com http://www.konformist.com/1999/camps.htm Results of "Concentration Camp" Trip Date: Saturday, July 03, 1999 06:32:27 AM David Hoffman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Hello all. I just got back from my ten-day "concentration camp" tour of three states. I brought back my striped uniform and have a new tattoo on my forearm to show for it. Seriously, I got this list of supposed camps off of Don Bradley's website (www.don-bradely.com). Bradley - an author of various new age subjects - has been ranting and raving for the past year about hundreds of camps with "machinegun towers, moats, gas-chambers, and roving armed patrols." Several of my colleagues (Robert Sterling, publisher of the alternative press, "The Konformist", and a friend) went to the locations in California that Bradley ranted about (the ones with the machine-gun towers and gas-chambers) and came back laughing their asses off. To say that there was nothing there of the kind Bradley ranted about is an understatement. When Sterling repeatedly asked Bradley to come up with some facts (which Bradley had earlier promised to deliver), he failed to reply. Yet Bradley rants on. Following are what I found on my trip. In my estimation, Bradley - who is NOT a trained journalist and seems to possess no clue as to how to check facts (assuming he even wants to) - is a self-deluded paranoic and a pathological liar. - D.H. THE LIST Oklahoma Alleged Internment Camps Location 1: Tinker AFB: This is a civilian detention facility, all base personnel are prohibited from going near the area, and the area is under constant guard. Haven't been there yet, but plan to check it out. Location 2: McAlester (100 mi south-east of Norman): WWII German/Italian POW camp being renovated. There is nothing there but a Little League baseball field! What I think FEMA is planning on doing is turning the bleachers into baricades, and using 12-year olds to hit escaping prisoners with baseball bats. Location 3: Will Rogers Air Port: This is a newly constructed FEMA facility, and it is believed that it will be used as a primary processing center for prisoners West of the Mississippi River. I've been to Will Rogers airport. It is an airport - nothing more. Texas Alleged Internment Camps Location 1: Ft. Hood (just north of Austin) has a newly built concentration camp, constructed complete with towers, high fencing, and barbed wire. I drove around the base and saw nothing suspicious. I also talked with a seargent who has been on the base six years, and is a tank gunner (and who hates the Army). We struck up a conversation around our mutual interest in armor. After I gained his trust, I asked him about such facilities. He just laughed. I also talked to a junior tank officer. He laughed harder. (I did have a fun time traversing the tank turret and looking through the infrared site though!) Location 2: Forth Worth (40 mi north-west of Dallas): Federal prison under construction on the old Carswell AFB in Ft Worth, TX. Additional: The military hospital is within the compound. New buldings are being constructed at a panic rate. Haven't been there, but I called them. It is a a womens' hospital and prison. There is no new construction going on "at a panic rate," according to them. (I know,I know Don, they are all part of a conspiracy of silence!) Location 3: Beaumont Port Arthur (60 mi east of Houston) area: there were thousands of acres of federal camps already built on the order of detention camp design complete with the double row chain link fencing with the razor styled concertina wire on top of each row. Some but not all of these facilities are currently being used for low-risk prisoners who require a minimum of supervision. However, any of these facilities could be returned into an armed internment detention center within a 24-hr. period. Additional: The area is in Beaumont off Hwy 69 south and consists of thousands of acres of barbed-wire bordered camps. Those nearest the road are kept immaculate and are occupied by juveniles while those further from the road are not quite so nice. Most of the facilities are un-occupied but have skeleton crews on duty. /etention center within a 24-hour period." What does that prove? Arkansas Alleged Internment Camps Ft. Chaffee (100 mi east of Tulsa) Has a new runway for aircraft, new detention camp facilities with capacity of 20,000 prisoners. (Dave: Take photos of rows of barracks at Chaffee, then make your way to the back of the base (south end) and try to find the FEMA compound. It has towers near it and a large fence with wire around the top.) I drove all around the base, and outside it, to the
[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Sherman Skolnick Sounds Off!!!
Please send as far and wide as possible. Thanks, Robert Sterling Editor, The Konformist http://www.konformist.com http://www.konformist.com/skolnick/skolnick.htm http://www.konformist.com/skolnick/1999/ss070699.htm Sherman Skolnick Sounds Off!!! Sherman H. Skolnick Recorded phone message: (773) 731-1100 Office, 8 A.M. to midnight, 7 days: (773) 375-5741 9800 So. Oglesby Ave., Chicago IL 60617-4870 07-06-1999 FBI/CIA WAREHOUSE By Sherman H. Skolnick Producer/Moderator, Public Access Cable TV Program "Broadsides" Since 1963, Founder/Chairman, Citizen's Committee to Clean Up the Courts They all seem to have three names, or words as names. And the three wirds somehow seem to have a rhythm to them. Lee Harvey Oswald. Russell Weston, Junior, Benjamin Nathaniel Smith. And the monopoly press described each one as a "lone assassin".Why is America hung up on lone killers? Elsewhere, such as in Europe, they speak of killer teams, Propaganda Due, known as P-2, Gladio, the Red Brigades, and other government and semi-government murder squads. Likewise, Central and South America, with their death squads: El Salvador, Quatemala, Brazil, Uruguay, Argentina, Chile. The theme of the Warren Commission was that a lone nut killed President John F. Kennedy. Thereafter, the pundits and politicos hollared "Gun Control!" as the remedy. It took years and years until some brave souls dared speak up and say that there would be less political assassinations if they took away the guns of the CIA's covert teams. Oswald's handler/controller at FBI reportedly flushed a key document down the toilet, or was it down the dark hole of secrecy and history? [Describing the CIA plot against JFK was a booked under under a penname by the French CIA, called "Farewell America", a best-seller in Europe, in the 1960s and 70s, BUT BANNED FROM BEING SOLD IN BOOKSTORES IN THE U.S. I and another assassination researcher were the only ones to distribute some copies of the smuggled in book, at speeches, etc., one book at a time. Alas, no more copies of the book are left at this late date.] Russell Weston, Jr. supposedly left southern Illinois and drove all the way to Washington, D.C. It was July, 1998, and he arrives at a key point in the Monica Lewinsky scandal. He parks his vehicle in the Capitol near the House of Representatives [some question how he was able to avoid scrutiny since cars thus parked are carefully examined by the local police]. He goes right past the guards and heads right for the unmnarked door leading into the office of House Majority Whip Tom DeLay (R., Texas]. DeLay was known as a loud critic demanding the removal of Clinton. Next door was the office of then-Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich [R., Georgia], not so loud against Clinton. But Weston was NOT heading for Newt's office. Weston got into DeLay's office, shot to death a guard there, and came within a few seconds of blowing away DeLay who was walking right toward Weston. Quickly thereafter, DeLay fled Washington for his home district of Houston. Getting off the plane, he told a confidant there was an assassination plot against himself and his family. DeLay returned to the District of Columbia under heavy guard. And the press pundits and politicos, as is there habit, hollared "Gun control!" as the remedy. Suspected of being a "plant" or FBI orchestrated agent provocateur, Weston has fallen into the limbo of the mental hospital machine. CBS Network verified our story that Weston was part of a circle of FBI robots or provocateurs. BUT, the monopoly press suppressed the story. The FBI/CIA has a way of making use of those who are partly unbalanced and talk in extreme rhetoric, real or otherwise. If they were candid and honest, which they are not, would the FBI bosses admit that their provocateurs, who are carefully tracked by the Bureau, somehow run out of control and bomb and kill people? Or, like some "Manchurian Candidate", are such robots used to protect, for example, the president from being further scandalized so he can continue to be of use to the Bourbons, the worldwide ruling elite? The press sort of made light of what Weston's sister later said: "April Callahan said her brother told her recently that he was working for the FBI and was 'on a secret mission to protect the president'". [Chicago Tribune, 7/27/98]. Then there was a fellow named Benjamin Nathaniel Smith. Because of his showing up in a variety of places to raise hell, some suspected he was an FBI "plant" or provocateur, used by the Bureau to identify other dissidents, mislead others, track others, and such. Someone planted an item on a popular website that violence was expected on the Fourth of July weekend holiday, 1999. Smith had a very common looking face. Experts on faces said he had a choir boy look. Smith was supposedly the "lone gunman" on a shooting spree in Chicago, suburbs of Chicago, elsewhere in Illinois and downstate Indiana,, starting on the Friday leading up to the weekend holiday.
[CTRL] Fwd: Was CNN Involved in Murder Plot?
The following report covers details of a report from the British newspaper The Independent. Not only was CNN ordered to evacuate all CNN personnel and facilities from a Serbian TV station that they were in, which had become targeted for bombing, but CNN apparently also attempted to lure a high Serbian official to the doomed TV station for an interview that would put him in the building just as the cruise missiles struck. Since the Serbian official was late for his appointment with CNN, that murder failed, however, the mass murder of the many Serbian journalists and others was a complete success; and I believe that it did some damaged to their communication facilities too. === http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/jul1999/cnn-j08.shtml === 8 July 1999 World Socialist Web Site Was CNN involved in a NATO effort to assassinate the Serbian information minister? Chris Marsden On Friday, July 2 the Independent newspaper in Britain ran an article by its Belgrade war correspondent Robert Fisk entitled "Taken in by the NATO line". The article presents a devastating picture of the role of the press corps in the war against Yugoslavia. Fisk shows how, with rare execptions, reporters abandoned any standpoint of objectivity and adopted uncritically the official rationale for the war. For the most part infected themselves with the anti-Serb hysteria of US, British and NATO officials, they sought to justify the bombing campaign by reporting NATO propaganda as fact and accepting without question the statements of NATO spokesman Jamie Shea, President Clinton and Prime Minister Blair. He cites the example of a CNN reporter in Belgrade who "astounded one of his English colleagues after NATO had bombed a narrow road bridge in the Yugoslav village of Varvarin, killing dozens of civilians, many of whom fell to their death in the River Morava. 'That'll teach them not to stand on bridges,' he roared". Fisk notes, "This was not the kind of language he used on air, of course, where CNN's report on the bridge killings was accompanied by the remark that there had been civilian casualties 'according to the Serb authorities'--all this when CNN's own crew had been there and filmed the decapitated corpse of the local priest". The Independent correspondent goes on to suggest that the collaboration of major media outlets with the NATO military campaign went beyond dishonest and unethical journalistic practices. At the end of the article he suggests that CNN and the network's Larry King Live show may have been complicit in an attempt to assassinate Serbian Information Minister Aleksander Vucic. Fisk writes: "Two days before NATO bombed the Serb Television headquarters in Belgrade, CNN received a tip from its Atlanta headquarters that the building was to be destroyed. They were told to remove their facilities from the premises at once, which they did. "A day later, Serbian Information Minister Aleksander Vucic received a faxed invitation from the Larry King Live show in the US to appear on CNN. They wanted him on air at 2:30 in the morning of 23 April and asked him to arrive at Serb Television half an hour early for make-up. "Vucic was late--which was just as well for him since NATO missiles slammed into the building at six minutes past two. The first one exploded in the make-up room where the young Serb assistant was burned to death. CNN calls this all a coincidence, saying that the Larry King show, put out by the entertainment division, did not know of the news department's instruction to its men to leave the Belgrade building". The World Socialist Web Site has sought to obtain a response from the Larry King Live program in Washington and CNN headquarters in Atlanta, Georgia to the description of events provided by Fisk. The publicist for Larry King Live and the press spokes- person for CNN News have failed to return repeated calls. Meanwhile, Fisk has come under attack from sections of the British media. On July 4 Henry Porter of the Observer, one of the newspapers most fervent in its support of NATO's war, published a reply to Fisk's piece, all but accusing the Independent reporter of being a stooge of Yugoslav President Milosevic. Porter asserts that Fisk "was undeniably aided by the Serb authorities" and filed reports on the war "refracted through the lens of Serbian interest". Porter grants there was "almost universal concern among editors and reporters about the level of accuracy of NATO briefings" and admits there is good reason to conclude that "the alliance was bent on an almost racist crusade against the Serbs". This, however, does not prevent him from indulging in a bit of anti-Serb racism of his own, noting that Fisk was given the sobriquet "Fiscovic" by some of his colleagues. Porter is outraged that Fisk appears to believe "NATO is motivated by congenital imperialist tendencies," but even more intolerable
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Results of Concentration Camp Trip
-Caveat Lector- The truth sure sets us free. Thank you. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Church and Jewish Ideology -Sobran
-Caveat Lector- At 02:55 PM 7/8/99 -0700, Ric Carter, co-moderator, CTRL wrote: -Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Bill Kingsbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Church and Jewish Ideology JOE SOBRAN'S COLUMN (Reprinted from SOBRAN'S, May 1999, page 4) snip Jews have generally supported Communism, socialism, liberalism, and secularism; snip Methodists, Buddhists, Catholics, Baha'is; whites, blacks, reds, brown; people from a wide range of ethnicities and belief systems have "supported Communism, socialism, liberalism, and secularism" too. By the logic of this writer, ALL deserve being persecuted. Oh, baloney. This is just PC "multi-cultural" claptrap. But many Jews also have ardently OPPOSED "Communism, socialism, liberalism, and secularism". A MINORITY of Jews have OPPOSED "Communism, etc.". Does a minority of Jews equal "many" in your calculus? So, are a people deserving of persecution because SOME support ideas one doesn't like? Are you referring to Christians? No. I don't think Christians should be persecuted because SOME support ideas you don't like "Some Methodists are Commies - so kill'em all. No. No Methodists are Commies. No need to kill Methodists. Some Lutherans Catholics were Nazis - fry the fuckers. Which the U.S. and the Allies gleefully did. Preceded, of course by lots of raping and other atrocities. Your narrow little mind may not be aware that 6 to 10 million German CIVILIANS (overwhelminly Catholic and Lutheran) died AFTER WW II while under Allied control. Also, German military personnel were denied POW status and the protections of the Geneva Convention after WW II. They were classified as "Disarmed Enemy Forces" and shipped off to die in the Soviet Gulags by the millions. Some Negroes vote GOP - drown the traitors. No need to drown them. Just cement 'em into a hopeless, dehumanizing, corrupt welfare system. Everybody is different from me - y'all die." I presume that in your world, anyone different from you is either a "racist" or an "enemy of the people", and Yes, you WOULD like to see them all die. That's where that logic leads - to mass murder. You mean like the Bolshevik Revolution, the Leninist starvation of millions of Ukrainians, the Morganthau Plan, the Chinese Cultural Revolution, the Cambodian Holocaust, the Ruwanda Genocide of two million Christians ... IMHO Sobran is issuing a thinly-veiled call for genocide. This sucks. This is Nazi propaganda, hate-mail, incitement to riot. IMHO, you wrong. I'm not incited to riot. Bill, you're right on the edge. More of this won't be tolerated here at CTRL. You're right! I think you should strive to be more intolerant, if that's possible. Consider yourself warned. I consider myself amused. Ric Carter, co-moderator, CTRL DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF
Re: [CTRL] The Church and Jewish Ideology -Sobran
-Caveat Lector- "Some Methodists are Commies - so kill'em all. Some Lutherans Catholics were Nazis - fry the fuckers. Some Negroes vote GOP - drown the traitors. Everybody is different from me - y'all die." That's where that logic leads - to mass murder. ** You've got to be taught to hate and fear. You've got to be taught from year to year. It's got to be drummed in your dear little ear. You've got to be carefully taught. You've got to taught to be afraid Of people whose eyes are oddly made And people whose skin is a different shade. You've got to be carefully taught. You've got to be taught before it's too late Before you are six, or seven or eight To hate all the people your relative hate. You've got to be carefully taught. You've got to be carefully taught. -- from South Pacific by Rodger and Hammerstein DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [19] Loud and Clear
-Caveat Lector- an excerpt from: Loud and Clear Lake Headly and William Hoffman©1990 Henry Holt and Company 115 W. 18th St. New York, NY 10011 ISBN 0-8050-1138-2 272 pps out-of-print/one edition --[19]-- 19 The Downey Connection DOWNEY, CALIFORNIA. NOVEMBER 17, 1979 I swam in a sewer. What brought me from Phoenix to this community just south of Los Angeles was the critical August 17, 1976, police report written by Jon Sellers, which, incredibly, had not found its way to the defense until recently, more than three years, after Bolles died. On 8/17/76, investigator flew to Downey, CA after receiving a telephone call from Det. Gary Morrow of the Downey Police Department. Det. Morrow related to investigator that he was in touch with a Bill Wright who allegedly was in an alcoholic hospital with Bradley Funk shortly after the Bolles incident. He related to investigator that Mr. Wright was giving him information concerning statements that Bradley Funk allegedly made to him during their stay at the hospital. On 8/17/76 at approximately 1:30 P.m., investigator interviewed William D. Wright, c/m, D.O.B. September 21, 1921, present address of 8276 Telegraph, Downey, CA, no phone. Mr. Wright related that he is a retired truck driver. A tape recording of the conversation held with Mr. Wright was made and the tape was retained for future reference. For a complete verbatim account of what was said, please refer to the tape. The following is the highlights of the conversation held with Mr. Wright. He said that on June 7, 1976, he was admitted to the Beverly Manor Hospital located at 401 South Tustin in the city of Orange. He said that the hospital is a private hospital for alcohol and drug-related problems. He said that on June 7, 1976, he was in the detox center and was present when Bradley Funk came into the hospital on June 8, 1976 He said that at the time he did not know this was Bradley Funk but that he and this person were ultimately assigned the same room, Room #211, and spent approx. 25 days together in this room He said that Funk became very nervous following Bolles's death and bought the paper every day and received numerous clippings from Arizona concerning the Bolles investigation. He related that Funk told him that he felt his family was going to be blamed for the bombing. He said that Funk stated that in his opinion, some dog owners were the ones that killed Bolles. He also stated that there were going to be some big people hurt as a result of this and named Steiger and Goldwater. Wright said that Funk mentioned some land deals and that he at some time during the conversation believes he mentioned Max Dunlap's name. Wright was unable to be specific as to the conversation or how it took place. He did maintain, however, that at no time did Funk implicate himself or his family in the bombing of Bolles and simply stated that they were going to get the blame for it. Wright stated that he remembers Funk telling him that he believed Bolles was blown up by a controlled device and remembers him telling him that the explosives or something were purchased in San Diego. He further stated that one time during their stay together, when they were on pass, Funk took him to a hobby shop when he was buying some material for a model boat that he was putting together and at this time Funk pointed out to him a remote control device, stating that it was something like the one that was used to blow Bolles up. He said that Funk only pointed to the device through the case and did not handle or examine the device. Wright described the device as being brown but later changed the color to black and was shown a photograph of the remote-control device which investigators suspect is similar to the type that was used. At this time, Wright said that the device that Funk showed him was similar to the one that investigator had a photograph of. Sellers had concluded that a follow-up interview with William Wright wasn't necessary. I concluded differently. Through a contact I had at the California Department of Motor Vehicles, I attempted to run Wright down using his date of birth and former address, obtained from Sellers's report. But the DMV had no information on his current whereabouts. Knowing he was a retired trucker, I contacted Teamsters Local 896 in Los Angeles and talked. to Frank Martinez, a union steward. Years earlier Martinez had helped me with an investigation I conducted for the Teamsters. The Justice Department had charged them with shaking down packing houses by refusing to move meat unless paid a bribe. I was able to show that the Justice Department informants lied to obtain lenient sentences for themselves, and charges were dropped. Through Martinez I obtained Wright's current address. I didn't want to just show up on his doorstep, unannounced, but I couldn't call and make an appointment because he had an unlisted phone. So I went to a contact at the telephone companywho charged a hundred dollars
[CTRL] Fw: [TheEagle-L] Fwd: CLNews- Russian Troops in the USA?
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Alan DeWalton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, 9 July 1999 10:11 Subject: [TheEagle-L] Fwd: CLNews- Russian Troops in the USA? From: "David E. Rydel" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: (Recipient list suppressed) Subject: Fwd: CLNews Russian Troops in the USA? Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 23:08:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jul 8 11:49:51 1999 Received: from daveryde (port140.maxc03.bignet.net [204.254.122.140])by ren.bignet.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA08007;Wed, 7 Jul 1999 23:44:52 -0400 Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 04:05:58 -0700 To: NewsCCL [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (by way of "Charles Bruce, Stewart" [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Subject: CLNews Russian Troops in the USA? Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Begin forwarded message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ALERT 7/5/99 RUSSIAN TROOPS IN THE USA? by Michael David Heit ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) I had a conversation on the phone last night with a Major assigned to the U.S. Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs . He stated that there are 200,000 Russian troops now stationed at 20 various installations in the CONUS (Continental U.S.) area for "training". 200,000 ... 10,000 at each site.. can anyone confirm even one? I cannot believe my friend would lie, however, I would like some "independent research" on this. Would someone please check out any bases in your area? I am sending a group for a look see in the bases in Montana. .Mike Heit = and MORE RUSSIANS IN FORT RILEY KS by Michael David Heit ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 7/3/99 To put things in perspective: It takes three and on half to four American/ NATO divisions , including all TOE support units, to equal one Soviet Division with attending larger Soviet Infantry components. Also, the Soviet Armored Brigade is twice the size of the NATO forces units with a much larger BMP (Soviet equivalent to the Bradley) component. The T-72 and T-80 use smooth bore guns in the 125mm range, but have a slow cyclic rate compared to the M1A2 Abrahms. The Soviet tanks cannot "fire on the run" like the Abrahms (any class) due to the lack of gyrosyncronization capabilities. But they have so many more. Any other reports or sightings? I am sending an inquiry to our Senators Congressman today. Will post any answers. .Mike Heit Mike Received this Information: Max Andrews wrote: My son was stationed at Fort Riley, KS until 1995. During that time one of the First Division Brigades was replaced by a Russian brigade-sized unit. (Probably two motorized infantry regiments). That was four years ago, and one can only speculate how many more Russian personnel are now there. By the way, the name of Fort Riley has now been changed to "American Base." Max AndrewsLtC Ret.Front Royal ~~~ From: Richard Niemela ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 7/3/99 DOT: More info re these same issues...JRN FYI... Fort Riley in MN has Russia soldiers enscounced up there. Years ago, Turkish troops were stationed at Colorado Springs for training. My niece was a nurse there and treated them at different times. What they're doing there now I don't know. Camp McCoy and Vogt Field are basically a NATO base here in WI, with Belgian troops. They have been for at least 9 years.Ric[Ft. Riley is in Kansas].. ~~ MORE: RE: FORT RILEY KS - TRAINING "BY" THE RUSSIANS by Dot Bibee ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Writing to Congress does not do ANY good since most people ask if there are any FOREIGN troops being trained in the U.S. They will answer NO. Why? Because now in this NEW WORLD ARMY (and YES, our troops are a part of the NWO army - the same as the Russian troops are) they are known as the multinational task force and "other" terms. The unit at Ft. Riley and other locations are known as OPFOR (Opposing Forces). The National Training Center for these "opposing forces" is at Fort Irwin in California and at Ft. Monroe in Virginia (www.monroe.army. mil/text/3qfy97a.htm) Everything on these pages is "JOINT doctrine". Go there for a 23 page report. The OPFOR Opposition Forces have their own website (www.otn.net/ mypage/magic/opfor.htm - complete with pictures - and MORE at www.slcity. com/2-360/opfor/welcome.html AND they make it sound so nice. They call it OPFOR Academy - and instead of the word "training" they used "indoctrinate". I haven't found out what this is yet, but in the OPFOR pages the instruction to "foreign visitors" is that
Re: [CTRL] The Church and Jewish Ideology -Sobran
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Damian B. Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ric Carter, co-moderator, CTRL wrote: From: Bill Kingsbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Church and Jewish Ideology JOE SOBRAN'S COLUMN (Reprinted from SOBRAN'S, May 1999, page 4) snip Jews have generally supported Communism, socialism, liberalism, and secularism; snip Methodists, Buddhists, Catholics, Baha'is; whites, blacks, reds, brown; people from a wide range of ethnicities and belief systems have "supported Communism, socialism, liberalism, and secularism" too. By the logic of this writer, ALL deserve being persecuted. Oh, baloney. This is just PC "multi-cultural" claptrap. Read some history. Then read some more history. But many Jews also have ardently OPPOSED "Communism, socialism, liberalism, and secularism". A MINORITY of Jews have OPPOSED "Communism, etc.". Does a minority of Jews equal "many" in your calculus? You are absolutely incorrect. On the right: Cohn, Schirer, and other pit-bulls of Mcarthyism; the Hollywood Establishment who backed the McCarthyite post-WW2 Red Scare - no pro-Communists there. And: Israeli ultra-Orthodox fanatics, the Settlement movement, and the right-wing western Jews who support them - no secularists there. You think more Jews were/are pro- than anti-Communist.etc? Cite some figures. C'mon, if you've got facts on hand, not just suppositions, whip'em out, eh? But I suggest that you look around the Web at all the right-wing Jewish sites, then come back here and apologize. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [Fwd: Humorous Historical Fact]
-Caveat Lector- On July 8, 1947, witnesses claim a spaceship with 5 aliens crashed on a sheep and cattle ranch outside of Roswell, an incident they say was covered up by the government. = On March 31, 1948, 9 months to that day, Al Gore was born. = DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Fw: [Should homosexuals who are HIV-negative be allowedtodonate blood? (fwd)
-Caveat Lector-
OK, no begging needed, I'll pass it on.
- Original Message -
From: MICHAEL SPITZER [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Ric Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I agreed, however, my limit had been exceeded:(
-- Forwarded message --
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 17:55:30 -0700 (MST)
From: MICHAEL SPITZER [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 8 Jul 1999, day wrote:
If a homosexual wants to give blood, then it should ONLY
be given to another homosexual.noone else!! Let them
pass their dirty blood amongst each other. And, a
test can come back negative even when the donor is HIV
positive.You take the chance if you wantcourts should
not be tied up with this kind of shit. As a heterosexual,
the thought of having a homosexuals's blood running through
my body makes me ill. And, I know I don't stand alone
on this!
I bet you'd think a tad to the contrary if this dudes blood was
all that was available for you or your family to survive on,
i.e., transfused with if in a life or death scenario.
For the record, though, I would think that their blood should be
accepted into the general pool IF it had the added needed
precautions, namely, WESTERN BLOT at several intervals to insure
the blood is without HIV, etc. Too bad the cost of such is
prohibitive?
=
Kaddish, Kaddish, Kaddish, YHVH, TZEVAOT
FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends
Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day.
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Re: [CTRL] [prj] FW: [patriots] Should homosexuals who are HIV-negative be allowed to do
-Caveat Lector- Homosexuality is an abomination and Jesus stated that this is one of the three sins that he despises. Where exactly did Jesus say this? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [prj] FW: [patriots] Should homosexuals who are HIV-negative be allowed to do
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homosexuality is an abomination and Jesus stated that this is one of the three sins that he despises. Where exactly did Jesus say this? Don't expect a response. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] (Fwd) ZNet Commentary July 9 Marc Weisbrot
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded Message Follows --- -- Fed's Pre-emptive Strike Is Aimed at Workers By Marc Weisbrot The Fed launched a "pre-emptive strike" this week against an unseen enemy -- inflation -- by raising interest rates one-quarter percentage point. With inflation at its lowest level in 30 years (2.1%), why would the Fed want to start down a path that could cost hundreds of thousands of workers their jobs, slow the growth of wages, and raise the cost of borrowing to millions of home owners and consumers?The Fed's rationale is that labor markets have gotten "too tight." For most Americans, the idea of labor markets being "too tight" makes about as much sense as the air getting "too clean" or people being "too happy." They have a hard time understanding the hidden dangers of increasing job opportunities and paychecks. But the Fed has a theory in which this all makes sense. The Fed's theory says that if unemployment gets "too low," employees will begin to demand higher wages and salaries. That could cause employers to raise prices, leading to more wage demands. The Fed's great fear is that an "inflationary wage-price spiral" will spin out of control. There has never been much evidence to support this theory. Some have argued that the Fed is still fighting the last war -- the inflation of the 1970s. But even that inflation was the result of rising oil prices, not tight labor markets. Previous bouts with inflation in the United States have generally resulted from wars or other external events. The holes in the Fed's theory have been getting bigger and more numerous each year, to the point where there is hardly anything left of it. Until four years ago the Fed (along with most prominent economists) thought that 6 or 6.25 percent was as low as unemployment could fall without accelerating inflation. That part of the theory has gone straight to the trash heap, as unemployment has fallen to 4.2 percent while inflation has actually declined. The structure of our economy has also changed since the Fed fought its last battles against inflation twenty years ago. There is a good deal more competition, especially from the international economy. While the majority of employees have not benefited from this increased competition -- their real wages have been declining for more than two decades -- it does make it more difficult for companies to raise prices. The Fed has recognized some of these changes but doesn't seem to know how to reconcile them with its dogma. According to the minutes of its February meeting, a number of Fed policy makers "suggested that the inflation process was not well understood and that inflation forecasts were subject to a wide range of uncertainty." The New York Times aptly noted that this was "like a conference of top cardiac surgeons deciding that it did not really know how the heart works." Last year the Fed lowered interest rates by three-quarters of a point, in response to instability in the international financial system. And Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan has also been afraid that raising interest rates might tank a stock market that he knows is highly overvalued -- he does not want to get blamed for a crash. But he seemed to be preparing the public for this possibility in his last speech: he noted that the bursting of a financial bubble "need not be catastrophic," and that the stock market crash of 1987 "left little lasting imprint on the American economy." The Fed argues that we can't wait until we can actually see inflation rising before taking action to slow down the economy and wage growth. A host of soothing metaphors in the business press, such as "tapping on the brakes," or bring the economy in for "a soft landing" have substituted for evidence and logic in shoring up the Fed's argument. But the real threat to our economy is not from rising wages but rising interest rates. The conventional wisdom has it backwards: by the time the Fed has done its damage, it will be too late (as in 1990) to avoid a painful recession. We need a pre-emptive strike, all right -- not against inflation, but against the Fed. Mark Weisbrot is Research Director at the Preamble Center and a research associate of the Economic Policy Institute, in Washington, D.C. AER ~~~ The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your common sense." --Buddha + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + A merely fallen enemy may rise again, but the reconciled one is truly vanquished. -Johann Christoph Schiller, German Writer (1759-1805) + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + It is preoccupation with possessions, more than
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Results of Concentration Camp Trip
-Caveat Lector- I checked out the supposed facilities at Canon City Colorado, nothing there but the prison that has been there several years. I also noted that Don Bradley wouldn't answer my emails about the subject Regards, Bob Stokes DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] new to list
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED], 7/9/99 Hi ! I have been doing research for several years trying to show the possible connections between certain secretive organizations and ritual abuse and mind control. Some of my work can be found at http://members.aol.com/smartnews/index2.html In addition to this, we will be having a conference for those interested in this topic in August. It will primarily be for those that are survivors of the above and those that help them. For information on this conference, please write me or go to http://members.aol.com/smartnews/smart-1999-conference.htm Thank you for your time, Sincerely, Neil Brick DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fanciful Finance
-Caveat Lector- From www.cbpp.org PicturePicture Revised July 2, 1999 Much of the Projected Non-Social Security Surplus Is a Mirage Large Majority of Surplus Rests on Assumptions of Deep Cuts in Discretionary Programs that Are Unlikely to Occur by Sam Elkin and Robert Greenstein Congressional Budget Office figures released today indicate that the substantial majority of the surplus projected outside Social Security is essentially artificial because it depends on unrealistic assumptions that large, unspecified cuts will be made in discretionary programs over the next 10 years. When the more realistic assumption is made that total non-emergency expenditures for the discretionary part of the budget will neither be cut nor increased, and will simply stay even with inflation, nearly three-fourths of the projected non-Social Security surplus disappears. (An even larger share of the projected surplus vanishes if emergency spending is taken into account. Some discretionary expenditures designated as emergency spending this year do not really represent responses to short-term emergencies; they constitute expenditures that policymakers are likely to continue.) The new CBO projections released today show that under current law, the federal government will begin running surpluses in the non-Social Security budget in fiscal year 2000 and will run cumulative non-Social Security surpluses of $996 billion over the next 10 years. But these projections like those OMB issued Monday assume that total expenditures for discretionary programs, including defense expenditures, will remain within the austere and politically unrealistic "caps" the 1997 budget law set on such programs.(1) To remain within the FY 2000 caps will entail cutting discretionary programs billions of dollars below the FY 1999 level. No one expects this to occur. Leaders of both parties have acknowledged that a number of appropriations bills cannot pass unless funding for these programs is restored. The caps for FY 2001 and 2002 are even more unrealistic than the FY 2000 cap; the caps for those years are significantly lower than the FY 2000 cap when inflation is taken into account. Moreover, the CBO and OMB projections assume that for years after 2002, total expenditures for discretionary programs will remain at the level of the severe cap for FY 2002, adjusted only for inflation in years after FY 2002. This means the surplus projections assume levels of discretionary program expenditures for fiscal years 2001 through 2009 that are lower, when inflation is taken into account, than the highly unrealistic FY 2000 cap that almost certainly will not be met. Moreover, both parties have proposed significant increases in defense spending in coming years. Defense spending constitutes about half of overall discretionary expenditures. In addition, legislation enacted last year requires increases in highway spending in coming years. CBO must issue budget projections based on current law. The discretionary spending caps are current law. CBO has acted appropriately developing its projections. But policymakers who act as though the $1 trillion in non-Social Security surpluses projected over the next 10 years all represents new funds that can go for tax cuts or program expansions appear to misunderstand the meaning of the projections. Because they rest on the assumption that discretionary expenditures will be held to the levels of the discretionary caps, the new CBO projections assume that over the next 10 years, discretionary spending will be reduced $584 billion below current (i.e., FY 1999) levels of non-emergency discretionary spending, adjusted for inflation. (A CBO table prepared this week shows the $584 billion figure.) Since defense spending is widely expected to rise, all of these $584 billion in cuts would have to come from non-defense programs, primarily domestic programs. Achieving cuts of this magnitude in domestic discretionary programs would be unprecedented and would dwarf the cuts Congress was able to pass in these programs when the nation was mired in large deficits. Cutting federal expenditures results in lower levels of debt. The $584 billion in discretionary program reductions assumed in the CBO baseline are projected to generate approximately $150 billion in additional savings through lower interest payments on the debt. Consequently, the reductions in discretionary programs that the CBO projections assume result in total savings of approximately $735 billion over the next 10 years. These $735 billion in assumed savings account for all of the non-Social Security surplus through 2001 and approximately 74 percent or nearly three-fourths of the non-Social Security surplus projected over the next 10 years. Since most or all of these cuts are very unlikely to materialize, the majority of the surplus projected in the non-Social
[CTRL] Purchasing Power
-Caveat Lector- From www.publicampaign.org - THE COIN-OPERATED CONGRESS Ellen S. Miller and Micah L. Sifry (Posted June 30, 1999) Two weeks ago, Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky called on the Supreme Court to rule that the $1000 individual contribution limit to candidates is unconstitutionally low. Arguing that the limit had not been adjusted for inflation, McConnell came out with the campaign finance non sequitur of the year. "Clearly, there has been an enormous erosion of purchasing power over the last 25 years," McConnell said. Really? We think the purchasing power of campaign contributions is as solid as ever. Here are some recent examples you might have missed between saturation coverage of President Clintons impeachment and the war in Kosovo. On March 10, the House Banking Committee adopted an amendment that will force banks to disclose their automated teller machine fees or risk not being able to charge for those transactions. Banks make almost $2 billion a year from ATM fees, which average $1.27 even though it costs banks only about 25 cents per transaction. So it must have been with a sigh of relief that the banking community saw the proposal from Rep. Marge Roukema (R-NJ) and Rep. John LaFalce (D-NY) sail through the committee by a 48-1 vote. After all, it replaced a far tougher proposal by Rep. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) to abolish ATM surcharges entirely, which states like Connecticut and Iowa have done with no harm to consumers. Of course, commercial banks give heavily to most members of the House Banking Committee. In 1997-98, individuals and PACs connected to the commercial banking industry were the #1 contributors to both Roukema and LaFalce. In April, Reps. Jim McDermott (D-WA) and Ed Bryant (R-TN) introduced a bill to extend patent protection for Claritin, the allergy drug, manufactured by Schering-Plough, and six other drugs. The company sold about $1.9 billion worth of Claritin in 1998. The bill would extend the company's exclusive patent from 2002 to 2005, preventing any generic manufacturers from entering the market. Generic drugs generally costs consumers anywhere between 30 and 60 percent less than the marquee brands. In the 1998 cycle, individual and PAC contributions from Schering-Plough were Bryants single largest source of campaign contributions and McDermotts second largest. The biggest victims of the Y2K millennium bug are likely to be small businesses stuck with outmoded software. Instead of taking steps to aid them, the main bill moving through Congress, S-96, limits their rights to collect damages and grants relief to software manufacturers and vendors-including those who may have done nothing to address the problem. Existing liability laws offer plenty of protections for businesses that might be sued, The New York Times editorialized in opposition. The larger worry is that the prospect of immunity could dissuade equipment and software makers from making the effort to correct the millennium-bug problem. The leading sponsors of S-96, Senators Ron Wyden (D-OR), Chris Dodd (D-CT) and John McCain (R-AZ) are, respectively the #3, #11 and #12 top Senate recipients of computer industry contributions from 1993-98. Every year, approximately 650,000 Americans get hurt on the job-not from accidents and related hazards-but from the simple physical demands of their work. Experts in ergonomics say that most of these injuries can be prevented, saving businesses $15-20 billion a year in workers compensation costs and perhaps another $45-60 billion in indirect health care costs. In early February, the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) announced that it was moving toward establishing ergonomics standards for jobs in general industry, covering some 25 million workers in baking, sewing, meat-packing and package handling or on assembly lines. At the behest of the National Coalition on Ergonomics, a business group, Rep. Roy Blunt (R-MO) is pushing legislation that would require completion of a study on ergonomics by the National Academy of Sciences before any regulations could take effect. But the NAS has already studied the matter, finding that workplace risk factors do promote health problems and ergonomics programs can reduce these risks. NCE members gave a whopping $8.2 million in PAC money to congressional candidates in 1997-98, eighty-five percent to Republicans, including at least $25,000 to Blunt. Since the passage of the Telecommunications Act in 1996, cable consumers have seen their bills rise about 21 percent, almost four times the inflation rate. This has occurred with the approval of the Federal Communications Commission, under the dubious theory that cable companies need the extra revenues to deal with new competition. According to Consumer Federation of America and Consumers Union, the average
[CTRL] Turning the corner on liberal education policies
-Caveat Lector- Turning the corner on liberal education policies © 1999 WorldNetDaily.com While hypocritical liberals still remain in control over most of the nation's public education, there are key signs that cracks are occurring in the once impenetrable wall surrounding the policies endemic to government-controlled schools. This, by the way, is a good thing and it's a trend that is long overdue. In California, Proposition 227 -- the initiative passed by voters a year ago designed to end the fallacious notion of "bilingual education" -- is languishing in court, challenged by liberal education protectors who see it as a challenge to their authority. However key school districts within the state -- most notably the southern California district of Oceanside -- have largely complied with 227's mandates and are reporting startling successes. For example in just under a year, former bilingual education students who have been reassigned to new "English immersion" courses have improved their math scores by a whopping 120 percent, while increasing reading test scores an amazing 180 percent. Instead of acknowledging these astounding results, however, diehard liberals like David Ramirez, an education professor at California State in Long Beach, have simply dismissed or denied them. Providing further proof that liberal educators are more interested in power over progress, Ramirez told a news agency recently, "A five point gain is statistically significant; a 100 percent gain is unheard of. Such an astronomical change -- it's impossible." The facts, however, bear out Oceanside's claims. Now, you would think that educators like Mr. Ramirez, who put a peculiar "For the Children" spin on everything they advocate, would be elated -- rather than put off -- by these results. Hypocritically, however, they are not. In another victory for parents of school-aged children, a federal judge in New York has ruled that the Bedford Central School District can no longer force children to participate in Earth Day "worship services," "North American Indian animism," or be forced to construct "worry dolls" and other "tangibles" that "have supernatural powers." At Bedford, students were required to create paper images of a Hindu god, make toothpick and yarn "worry dolls" to defend against anxiety, and to participate in "Earth Day" worship services -- all advocated by liberal district administrators and teachers who personally took part in the services. The judge in his ruling had the insight to call these celebrations "truly bizarre," and added that the events "took on many of the attributes of the ceremonies of worship by organized religions" -- something liberals have consistently prevented Christians from doing since 1962. One source said the New York case was brought to court by Catholic parents who were understandably offended by such practices and outraged that a public school would even consider such "worship" a fundamental part of learning in the first place. Jon E. Dougherty is a senior writer and columnist for WorldNetDaily, as well as a morning co-host of Daybreak America. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
