[CTRL] Korean Unification

1999-09-03 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

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From So China Morning Post
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http://www.worldtribune.com/index-ea-text.html

 Thursday, September 2, 1999

 KOREA

 Church behind luxury cars deal

 ROGER DEAN DU MARS in Seoul
 
 The Unification Church has sealed a business deal with a North Korean company in
 an attempt to satisfy demand in the Stalinist state for car repair facilities
 and luxury European models.



 Having recently received the stamp of approval from the Ministry of Unification,
 the church-owned Pyonghwa Motors is gearing up to spend US$300 million (HK$2.3
 billion) building a car assembly plant in Nampo, west of the capital, Pyongyang,
 a ministry official said.

 The plant is expected to turn out up to 10,000 cars a year from 2002.

 Officials at Pyonghwa Motors, an affiliate of the Tongil Group founded by
 Reverend Moon Sun-myong, said there was strong demand in North Korea for luxury
 European cars and places to service them.

 "North Korea doesn't have enough car repair shops and places to buy quality
 European vehicles," said David Yoon, deputy director of marketing and trading at
 Pyonghwa Motors.

 "North Koreans say cars in the South are not strong, so they like Volvos and
 Mercedes."

 Pyonghwa is preparing to assemble Italian-made Fiats, which will sell for about
 US$25,000.

 "We think we have found a nice niche in the North Korean car market so we should
 be able to sell 40 per cent of these cars domestically," said Mr Yoon.

 But an industry analyst in Seoul greeted news of the venture with scepticism.

 "I'm not sure what the church is thinking. They tried to build a factory in
 China in 1989. That project failed and I wouldn't be surprised if this one
 does."

 Mr Yoon said the factory in China failed because the Chinese Government banned
 the company from selling the cars there.

 "Now we have a chance to make a car factory a real success," he said.

 Published in the South China Morning Post. Copyright © 1999. All rights
 reserved.


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[CTRL] FW: Homeopathy

1999-09-03 Thread Dave

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From: Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 10:24 AM
Subject: Homeopathy


The following represents one of my attempts to explain something of
homoeopathy to individuals with little or no previous understanding of it.
Please fell free to debate it, or discard it, or flame me via private email,
all flames will be enthusiastically answered (your privacy will not be
violated,
and no public whining will be indulged in by me. Previous whiners need not
apply.)


Homoeopathy is a bit like alchemy- the goal is a transformative one-
to understand the patterns from the natural world that various medicinal
substances are capable of imposing on an individual -in wholistic viewpoint.
A wholistic viewpoint requires a bit of spiritually oriented psychological
insight, some intuition, some medical knowledge- occasional fits of
clairvoyance are a big plus grin
Homoeopathy is based in several principles which it holds in common with
alchemy  magick-
The law of Similars "likes cure likes"; the law of correspondences "as
above, so below"; the law of Sympathy "the smallest part is similar to the
whole" .. and others.
The "Philosopher's Stone" of homoeopathy consists of the basic "laws" and
the Materia Medica. Understand this, and you may begin to use homoeopathy
little by little, starting with first-aid applications as I did, and as many
do.

The law of similars: "likes cure likes" is how this is stated in
homoeopathy... the way this law is used is by matching the patterns the
medicines are capable of imposing on a healthy individual. This knowledge is
gained by "provings," where volunteers subject themselves to the medicines
and great amounts of detail are collected indicating what symptoms the
medicine
has CAUSED in the "provers" ..  and then collated into "Materia Medicas"
which are
encyclopediac books filled with the various symptoms "proven" and also
"clinically cured" symptoms (where the medicine has shown curative effect)
 instances of  gross-material poisonings. (snakebites, accidental
poisonings, etc..)
All of these contribute understanding to what these substances cause in the
way
of symptoms- and therefore, what the will cure- under the law of Similars,
which Homoeopathy knows to be the only TRUE "law of cure." Treatment by
allopathic (most "modern" medicine, including much of modern herbology)
means
(attempted cure by Opposites) is seldom fruitful in the long term, as
generally
symptoms of dis-ease are at best palliated, or at worst "Suppressed" which
leads to an overall degradation of long term health; to often subtle
shifting of
the expression (immediate symptoms) of what is actually a chronic dis-ease
process-
for instance, a "hot" symptom on the skin (like eczema) is treated with a
"cold"
antibiotic (cold is the nature of antibiotics) ... this may lead over time
to the
development of symptoms of a more serious nature, such as general allergies,
or
symptoms centered in more vital  organs/tissues such as lungs/heart.

Homoeopathic medicinal substances are created by a sort of alchemical
process which
separates the "gross physical material" from the "subtle spirit-like
essence,"
which is imprinted upon a carrier such as water, alcohol, or sugar pills.
Hence, we are able to use substances which are "inert" or "unreactive"
such as gold.. or substances which are biochemically "normal" such as salt,
various herbs, etc... and substances which are violently poisonous such as
snake
or spider venom, mercury, arsenic, etc..  all without direct "chemical"
effects,
due to the fact that the "material" element has been REMOVED,
leaving only the "vibrational energy pattern" or "essence".

The medicines have no DIRECT biochemical involvements- their often deep and
powerful effects are evoked on the "dynamic" or "subtle planes" - as this is
the level of existence into which the "essence" has been refined.

The creative force which is the "innate healing intelligence" (heal: to make
Whole),
and of which each individual partakes- is a "dynamic" or sort of "cosmic"
subtle
organizing energy- the "secret of life" as it were- the "vital force" as it
is termed in
homoeopathy is the portion of beingness responsible for sustaining and
maintaining
life and health in our mental/emotional/physical bodies.
Ideally this innate healing intelligence would theoretically provide optimum
health
and longevity- but just as a tree may grow bent due to a constant
sea-breeze,
so may the "vital force" take on a derangement of varying severity... these
derangments
have their roots in the "chronic miasms" as studied by Hahnemannian
homoeopaths.
It is the  "derangement" of this "vital force" which is the soil into which
is
sowed the seeds of dis-ease:

Stressors such as injury/accident, habitual negative thoughts, pathogens,
poisons,
pollution, poor nutrition, karmic/hereditary susceptibility to chronic
dis-ease of
various types (which tend to be grouped around 

[CTRL] Waco's Little Rock connection

1999-09-03 Thread Nicola Molloy

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Waco's Little Rock connection By Joseph Farah
 World Net Daily. Sept 3 1999
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_btl/19990903_xcbtl_wacos_litt.shtml


  Finally, there's some finger-pointing going on in the
executive
  branch of the federal government over the
exterminations of
  more than 70 men, women and children at the Branch
Davidian
  church in Waco in 1993.

  It's about time. This is progress. But we won't be any
closer to
  holding the guilty accountable until the White House
  connections are fully explored. There's ample reason
to believe
  Bill Clinton was working behind the scenes on
engineering the
  initial Waco raid even before he became president.

  One of the original witnesses against the Branch
Davidians
  was Bill Buford, the agent in charge of the Little
Rock, Ark.,
  branch of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.
  Buford was, also, according to Arkansas sources, a
friend of
  Bill. The Waco case was apparently very important to
Buford
  as an affidavit states he was working on New Year's
Day calling
  former Branch Davidians seeking to find evidence of
sexual
  abuse.

  My friend and colleague, Andy Beal, who first explored
the
  Little Rock connection to Waco, asks a good question:
What
  was the resident agent in charge of the Little Rock
office of the
  BATF doing investigating a sex abuse case in Texas? Is
sex
  abuse BATF's jurisdiction? Is Texas under the
jurisdiction of
  the BATF's Arkansas office?

  Documents show Buford is noted as one of two "senior
raid
  planners." He was also one of the BATF agents wounded
  during the Feb. 28 assault, but he is perhaps the only
BATF
  agent to be visited in the hospital by none other than
top
  Treasury Department official Roger Altman.

  Altman was the long-time "Friend of Bill" appointed to
be
  deputy secretary of the Treasury and chief executive
officer of
  the Resolution Trust Corporation. He resigned in
August 1994
  due to his interference in the Whitewater
investigation. At the
  time of the Waco raid, Roger Altman was the second
  highest-ranking official at the Department of the
Treasury. The
  BATF is a bureau within the Treasury Department.

  Is it not possible -- is it not likely, knowing what
we know
  about the character of the Clinton administration
today -- that
  the Clinton transition team was involved in the
planning of the
  initial raid on Waco even before taking power?
Remember,
  Vincent Foster's wife claimed he blamed himself for
the deaths
  in Waco. Webster Hubbell, who became the point man
between
  the Justice Department and White House during the
siege, was
  also instrumental in that transition to power. Then
there's
  Altman and Buford.

  Foster, Hubbell, Altman and Buford were all in Little
Rock
  leading up to the inauguration. Clinton takes power
Jan. 20,
  1993. One month later, the BATF stages the largest and
most
  dramatic raid in its history -- videotaped in living
color in
  anticipation of its success in subduing religious
  non-conformists in possession of illegal guns.

  The injustice and illegality of the initial raid has
still never been
  fully examined. Today the focus is on how and why the
  remaining occupants of the church building were
exterminated
  in a fire. Yet, the equally puzzling question of why a
dynamic
  and violent entry was necessary to serve a search
warrant on
  David Koresh shortly after he went target shooting
with
  officers of the BATF. The local sheriff offered to
serve the
  warrant at the general store to avoid any
confrontation. There
  was simply no need for all the deadly theatrics of the
initial raid.

  The only reasonable explanation seems to be the one
proffered
  by the documentary, "Waco: Rules of Engagement," which
  postulates that the raid was intended as a public
relations effort
  by the BATF and a commercial for stricter gun control
  enforcement.

  There are many unanswered questions when it 

[CTRL] OPEN POLLINATED Seed sources, many links. Just say NO: terminator / Genetic Engineered

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[CTRL] The Harriman Institute at Columbia University

1999-09-03 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
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A HREF="http://www.columbia.edu/cu/sipa/REGIONAL/HI/home.html"The Harriman
Institute at Columbia University/A
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The Harriman Institute at Columbia University



420 West 118th Street, New York, NY 10027, (212) 854-4623; Fax (212)
666-3481






 The Harriman Institute is the oldest academic center in the United
States devoted to the interdisciplinary study of the Russian Empire, the
Soviet bloc, and the post-communist states. Founded in 1946 as the
Russian Institute, it established a separate sister Institute to study E
ast Central Europe in 1954. In 1982, the Institute's name was changed in
gratitude for the generous endowment from Governor W. Averell Harriman
 and his wife, the late Honorable Pamela C. Harriman.


Governor W. Averell Harriman and Pamela Harriman at the press conference
announcing the naming of the Harriman Institute.
 In 1992, following the collapse of the USSR, the Institute officially
expanded its focus to encompass all the states of the former Soviet
empire and was renamed the Harriman Institute. In 1997, the Harriman
Institutes and the East Central European Center (ECEC) reunited to
promote comparative scholarly knowledge and public understanding of the
complex and changing polities, economies, societies, and cultures of the
area between Germany and the Pacific Ocean. The institute is governed by
an Executive Committee consisting of the Institute's senior faculty,
Director and Associate Directors. Its functions and programs are
supervised by a series of faculty committees and receives guidance from
its National Advisory Council..


This website is maintained by Kevin Eric Laney.
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Em Hotep, Peace Be,
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All My Relations.
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
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[CTRL] The Edward H. Harriman Story

1999-09-03 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
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A HREF="http://www.icrrhistorical.org/edward.harriman.html"E. H.
Harriman/A
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The Edward H. Harriman Story

EDWARD H. HARRIMAN (1848-1909): E. H. Harriman was born in Hempstead,
New York, son of an Episcopal clergyman. At age 14, he began work as an
office boy in a New York brokerage house: 8 years later he bought his
own seat on the New York Stock Exchange. In 1879, Harriman married Mary
Averell, the daughter of the president of the Ogdensburg  Lake
Champlain Railroad. In 1881 Harriman bought control of the Sodus Bay and
Southern Railroad, a short line running south from the shore of Lake
Ontario. He improved the line, then set the New York Central and
Pennsylvania bidding against each other for it. Pennsy bought it, and
Harriman soon went after a larger railroad, the Illinois Central. By
1883 he was on the IC's board of directors and within a few years he had
left the brokerage house he had established and became vice-president of
the road. He launched an expansion program for the Illinois Central but
looking ahead, was able to curtail it so the railroad could weather the
Panic of 1893. In 1898 Harriman took over the Union Pacific. In 1901
Harriman bought the Southern Pacific and shortly afterward bought the
Central Pacific. He rounded out his system with the Chicago  Alton and
the Central of Georgia. He attempted to buy first the Burlington and
then the Northern Pacific but was thwarted by James J. Hill of the Great
Northern. In 1908 he came to the rescue of the chronically troubled Erie
and added that to his empire. Harriman was not one to buy a railroad for
a quick profit. He believed that the financial yield would be
considerably greater if the railroad's property was improved and its
affairs well managed. Harriman established standards for locomotives,
cars, bridges, structures, signals, and even such items as paint and
stationery. Harriman's financial interest in the Union Pacific passed to
his son, W. Averell Harriman, who was chairman of the Union Pacific's
board from 1932 to 1946. The younger Harriman was also on the IC's Board
until 1960, and was well known for his work in politics and
international relations.


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American Railroads, compiled by George H. Drury, Librarian, TRAINS
MAGAZINE, Kalmbach Publications
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Re: [CTRL] U.S APEC Security Data Sent To Chicken Factory

1999-09-03 Thread Aol user

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Let's hope nothing untoward befalls the one who punched those fax numbers ..
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[CTRL] Pamela Digby Churchill Hayward Harriman

1999-09-03 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
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A HREF="http://mrshowbiz.go.com/games/linked/hi/74.html"Romantically
Linked: Pamela Digby Churchill Hay /A
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Gianni Agnelli
Randolph Churchill
Joseph P. Kennedy
Pamela Digby Churchill Hayward Harriman
1920 - 1997

Aly Khan
Henry Luce
Edward R. Murrow
Aristotle Onassis
William S. Paley
Frank Sinatra
John Hay "Jock" Whitney

Spouses:
Randolph Churchill: son of Sir Winston
Leland Hayward: agent-producer
W. Averell Harriman: businessman, politician

When she was seventeen, Pamela Digby spent six months in a boarding
school in Munich, and witnessed firsthand the rise to power of Hitler.
Two years later, this aristocratic daughter of a rural English baron
became Winston Churchill's daughter-in-law. In the fifties, single
again, Pamela developed an expertise in eighteenth-century French
furniture, which provided a nice bookend to her other talent: being
romantically involved with high-profile men. Her second marriage, to
Broadway agent-producer Leland Hayward (who was also the third Mr.
Margaret Sullavan), prompted her to say, "Theatre and politics are alike
. . . they're both made up of triumphs and disasters." She married a
third time, to businessman-politician W. Averell Harriman (whose
personal fortune Pamela dipped into to shepherd the Democratic Party
through the perilous Reagan years). Considering her list of equally, if
not more, powerful lovers (Joseph Kennedy, Edward R. Murrow, Aristotle
Onassis, William Paley), many people raised at least one eyebrow when
President Clinton appointed her U.S. Ambassador to France. But after
all, if the French aren't going to understand and forgive sexual
peccadilloes, then who on earth will? Her qualifications for the job?
Well, as she once remarked, “I’ve had quite a lot of what might be
called global experience.” When she died of a brain hemorrhage in 1997,
Clinton commented, "She was one of the most unusual and gifted people I
ever met."


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Aloha, He'Ping,
Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
Omnia Bona Bonis,
All My Relations.
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
Roads End
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[CTRL] John Hay Jock Whitney

1999-09-03 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
http://mrshowbiz.go.com/games/linked/hi/332.html
A HREF="http://mrshowbiz.go.com/games/linked/hi/332.html"Romantically
Linked: John Hay "Jock" Whitney/A
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Tallulah Bankhead
Pamela Digby Churchill Hayward Harriman
Paulette Goddard
John Hay "Jock" Whitney
1904 - 1982

Hedy Lamarr

Spouses:
Mary Elizabeth Altemus Whitney: debutante
Betsy Cushing Roosevelt Whitney: debutante

Heir to one of America's greatest fortunes, John Hay "Jock" Whitney
distinguished himself in a whole slew of careers, not the least of which
was carrying on his family's tradition of public service. In addition to
being an international polo star and a Broadway and Hollywood financier,
Whitney served as an intelligence officer during World War II and became
a force in Republican politics in the post-war years by serving as
ambassador to Great Britain from 1957 to 1961. He had established the
John Hay Whitney Foundation in 1946 as an umbrella for his service
endeavors, and had also become a leading thoroughbred horse breeder and
collector of art. Whitney acquired control of the New York Herald
Tribune in 1958 and served as its publisher from 1961 to 1967.




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Aloha, He'Ping,
Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
Omnia Bona Bonis,
All My Relations.
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
Roads End
Kris

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[CTRL] William S. Paley and Ari O

1999-09-03 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
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A HREF="http://mrshowbiz.go.com/games/linked/hi/243.html"Romantically
Linked: William S. Paley/A
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Louise Brooks
Pamela Digby Churchill Hayward Harriman
Zsa Zsa Gabor
William S. Paley
1901 - 1990

Greta Garbo
Doris Lilly

Spouses:
Dorothy Hart: formerly married to William Randolph Hearst's son Jack
Hearst
Barbara "Babe" Cushing: daughter of Dr. Harvey Cushing, the Pulitzer
Prize-winning pioneer in neurological surgery

American media executive William S. Paley started out in radio promoting
his family's successful cigar line in a music program. In 1928, he
bought his first network and named it Columbia Broadcasting System, or
CBS for short. The network's ratings slowly plumped up with its
specialization in news, and in the late 1940s, Paley romanced top stars
away from the more prestigious rival network, NBC, just in time to open
with a full house in the early days of television. Boasting such news
greats as Edward R. Murrow, William Shirer, and Walter Cronkite, and
such classic programs as I Love Lucy, The Dick Van Dyke Show, M.A.S.H.,
and The Waltons, Paley's aegis at CBS helped fashion U.S. television as
we know and enjoy it today.
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Jacqueline Bouvier Kennedy Onassis
Maria Callas
Pamela Digby Churchill Hayward Harriman
Aristotle Onassis
1906 - 1975

Doris Duke
Paulette Goddard
Veronica Lake
Eva Perón
Lee Radziwill
Simone Simon
Gloria Swanson

Spouses:
Tina Livanos: rival shipowner's daughter
Jacqueline Bouvier Kennedy: former U.S. First Lady, editor

"I've always been attracted to tall, statuesque women. I guess I should
have been a sculptor."--Aristotle Onassis
Greek shipping tycoon Aristotle Onassis entered the mainstream
consciousness in 1968, with his controversial marriage to the beloved
widow of slain President John F. Kennedy. Many couldn't see what
Jacqueline Kennedy saw in the short, darkly intense, coarse-looking man,
and from the day of their marriage on, the couple was bathed in
publicity over their marital habits and famous prenuptial contract,
which contained some one hundred clauses covering everything from
financial matters to sleeping arrangements.
Onassis was born to an affluent Greek tobacco merchant family in Smyrna,
Turkey. In 1922, when the Turks began attacking the resident Greek
population, the Onassis family was forced to flee to Greece. Onassis had
dreams of immigrating to the United States, but when he learned that he
would have to put his name on a several-year-long waiting list, he
sought more expedient asylum in Buenos Aires, Argentina. Arriving with
only a few hundred dollars in his pocket, Onassis used his considerable
pluck and business acumen to establish himself first in the tobacco
business, from which he branched out to his first passion, shipping. A
millionaire by age twenty-five, Onassis went on to amass one of the
greatest personal fortunes of all time. "The Golden Greek" died of my
asthenia gravis in 1975.


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Aloha, He'Ping,
Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
Omnia Bona Bonis,
All My Relations.
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
Roads End
Kris

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[CTRL] The American Dynasty - MillenniumDynastyBook - Celebrities and Million Heirs and Heiresses Web Site

1999-09-03 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
http://www.americandynasty.com/
A HREF="http://www.americandynasty.com/"MillenniumDynastyBook/A
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August 16, 1999

Welcome to

The American Dynasty

Celebrities and Million Heirs and Heiresses Web Site

Web Page Designed By Kathleen She d'Acre

www.americandynasty.com

Princess Diana 1961-1997 Princess Diana is in The American Dynasty:
Million Heirs and Heiresses as an heiress to the WORK Family Fortune!

John Fitzgerald Kennedy, Jr. 1960-1999 is related to Princess Diana!

 PRINCESS DIANA AND JFK, JR. ARE RELATED TO EACH OTHER, AND BOTH ARE
RELATED TO JESUS CHRIST! GENEALOGICAL PROOF OF THIS EXCITING INFORMATION
IS PROVIDED IN A NEW BOOK NOW IN PRODUCTION FOR PUBLICATION IN SEPTEMBER
1999:



The Millennium Dynasty:



EVERYBODY HAS GENEALOGICAL LINKS TO JESUS CHRIST



by



Jon Speller, Sr. and Kathleen She d'Acre



TABLE OF CONTENTS



Introduction

Chapter One: Humankind's Common Gene Pool

Chapter Two: The Merovingian Line of Descent from Jesus Christ

Chapter Three: George Washington, The Step-Father of His

Country

Chapter Four: Descent from the Prophet Muhammad

Chapter Five: Descent from King David

Chapter Six: East is East and West is West and They Are One!

Chapter Seven: Sharing in the American Dream

Chapter Eight: Afro-Americans in the Millennium Dynasty

Chapter Nine: How to Find Your Genealogical Links to Jesus

Christ

Chapter Ten: The Saving of Planet Earth



APPENDIX A: The American Dynasty: Million Heirs and Heiresses

and Their Ancestors

APPENDIX B: Cross-Reference of Links Uniting Family Lines of

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Princess Diana's American Millionaire Ancestor

Frank Work (1819-1911)

Princess Diana has become perhaps the most celebrated woman of the
twentieth century since her tragic death in a car crash in Paris in
1997. Everyone knows that she was a British Princess, but few know that
she was also an American Million Heiress as a descendant of American
millionaire Frank Work. Princess Diana's sons, Prince William and Prince
Harry, are thus also American million heirs.

Frank Work was a farm boy from Ohio who came to Wall Street in the
nineteenth century, looking for a job. On a rainy day he happened to
help up an older man who had slipped and fallen on the street. The man
was Commodore Cornelius Vanderbilt, who in appreciation for the young
man's help took him to his stockbroker. On Commodore Vanderbilt's
recommendation the stockbroker gave the young man a job. Frank Work rose
in the business and by the time of his death in 1911 he was able to
leave a multi-million dollar forturne appraised at $14,465,887 to his
heirs, who later included Princess Diana and her two sons.

When one of his daughters married a titled Englishman, Frank Work was
very unhappy, and was quoted in the press as saying "Marrying a
foreigner should be a hanging offence." But time heals all wounds, and
his descendant from that marriage, Princess Diana, united her British
Royal Heirs with blood ties in The American Dynasy of American
Millionaire Families and, through marital or family tie links, to
thousands of celebrities, past and present, in the global family in The
American Dynasty!

DESCENT OF PRINCESS DIANA FROM AMERICAN MILLIONAIRE FRANK WORK
1.Princess Diana, Princess of Wales 1961-1997, daughter of 2.
2.Frances Ruth (Burke Roche) Spencer Kydd 1936- , daughter of 3.
3.Edmund Maurice Burke Roche 1885-1955, son of 4.
4.Frances Ellen (Work) Burke Roche Batonyi 1857-1947, daughter of 5.
5.Frank Work 1819-1911



 NEWS: Go to ABCNEWS.com's Wolf Files to read Buck Wolf''s Exclusive
feature story on Monica Lewinsky's Royal Lineage mentioned on Good
Morning America on August 14, 1998.

Go to http://www.abcnews.com/sections/us/DailyNews/wolffiles30.html





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The American Dynasty Webpage
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Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
Omnia Bona Bonis,
All My Relations.
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
Roads End
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[CTRL] Lewinsky's Extended Family Has Royal Ties

1999-09-03 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/wolffiles30.html
A
HREF="http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/wolffiles30.html"Lewinsky's
 Extended Family Has Royal Ties/A
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“If nothing else, this proves that it truly is a small world after all.”
— Genealogist Jon Speller

Wall of Shame

One man’s attempt to characterize the erosion of our world
The Vanderbilts married the Lehmans. The Lehmans married the Strauses.
And in April, Monica's mother, Marcia Lewis, married into the Straus
family.

The line turned from Christian to Jewish with the marriage of Wendy
Vanderbilt and of Orin Lehman, whose family founded the Lehman Bros.
financial empire.

By Buck Wolf

ABCNEWS.com

N E W  Y O R K, August 12 — Even if Monica Lewinsky never took a White
House internship, she’d still have some claim to fame—her extended
family through accident of marriage has ties to Princess Diana.

Through Lewinsky’s stepfather, Ronald Peter Straus, Lewinsky can
trace a blue-blood line that runs through railroad tycoons in the
Vanderbilt family, Wall Street powerhouses at Lehman Bros.—and
ultimately to heirs of the British throne.

ABCNEWS.com has confirmed the research of New York genealogist Jon
Speller, who has identified 17 blood and two marital ties that unite a
Jewish girl from Beverly Hills to British royalty.

“If nothing else, this proves that it truly is a small world after
all,” Speller says. “They are two people from very different backgrounds
who came to prominence in different ways, yet they share a connection.”

Your Royal Neighbors

Many genealogists agree that at least one in five Americans can find
royalty in their family if they search far back enough. But Lewinsky’s
path is more direct than most.

Speller made the connection while developing the forthcoming
American Dynasty Database, a CD-ROM that shows the link between scores
of royals, celebrities, and other newsmakers.

“Most people think if you are Jewish, or a member of another
minority, you can’t possibly be connected to royalty,” Speller says.
“Here’s proof we are a lot closer to a global family than most people
think.”

From Beverly Hills to Windsor Castle

The recognized scribe of British aristocracy, Debrett’s Peerage and
Baronetage, indicates that Diana’s mother, Frances Ruth Spencer Kydd,
was one-quarter American. Her father was the grandson of Frank Work, a
poor man who one day helped a stranger who slipped on the streets of New
York. That man happened to be railroad tycoon “Commodore” Cornelius
Vanderbilt—and Vanderbilt sure knew how to say, “Thank You.”

Vanderbilt hired Work, who eventually became the family’s
stockbroker and one of the most powerful men on Wall Street.
Work hated the notion that his daughter married into British
aristocracy. He disowned the child until her divorce, and, under the
terms of his will, threatened to disinherit any family member who set
foot again in Britain.

But Diana’s grandfather, Edmund Maurice Burke Roche, defied the will
and claimed his title, becoming the 4th Baron Fermoy.

Edmund’s sister, New York socialite Cynthia Burke Roche, married
iron manufacturer Arthur Scott Burden, whose family developed a process
to manufacture nails about the time of the Civil War and parlayed it
into a fortune.

Enter Joan Rivers

Arthur’s brother, James, who ran the company, was prominent in New York
society. He entertained the Prince of Wales at his home in 1924 during
an international polo match. And his wife was a daughter of Cornelius
Vanderbilt.

The rest, as they say, is history—and well documented through New
York’s society pages. The Vanderbilts married the Lehmans. The Lehmans
married the Strauses. And in April, Monica’s mother, Marcia Lewis,
married into the Straus family.

The line turned from Christian to Jewish with the marriage of Wendy
Vanderbilt and of Orin Lehman—whose family founded the Lehman Bros.
financial empire.

Now divorced, Lehman recently became engaged to comedienne Joan
Rivers, raising the possibility that she, too, would take a spot on the
Lewinsky-Diana family line.

Relatives You Don’t Brag About

Of course, many people fear what they might find if they dig into their
past. Even in this line of creme-de-la-creme lineage, there are members
you wouldn’t brag about at the family picnic.

Arthur Scott Burden, for instance, suffered a mental breakdown in
1913 after he fell off his polo pony. A sheriff’s jury declared him
incompetent and he died in a White Plains, New York, mental hospital.
James Abercrombie Burden told the New York times that his brother Arthur
was “a victim of brain atrophy.”

More appropriate table conversation might be the tale of Alfred
Gwynne Vanderbilt, who died heroically in the 1915 sinking of the
Lusitania. A front page New York Times headline read: “Vanderbilt Saved
Woman, Gave Life Belt Though He Could Not Swim.”

“A woman came up to him, and I saw him place the belt around the

[CTRL] Documents Related to the Cold War

1999-09-03 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/coldwar.htm
A HREF="http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/coldwar.htm"Documents Related
to the Cold War/A
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Documents Relating to American Foreign Policy

The Cold War


"Instances of Use of United States Forces Abroad, 1798 - 1993," by Ellen
C. Collier, Specialist in U.S. Foreign Policy, Foreign Affairs and
National Defense Division, Washington DC: Congressional Research Service
-- Library of Congress -- October 7, 1993

The Cold War International History Project, Woodrow Wilson Center

The Harvard Project on Cold War Studies

Rapier's Cold War Guide

The Cold War Museum

US military (national defense) outlays, 1940-95

Cold War Shoot Down Incidents

CNN Special on the Cold War
Pre-1945


Politburo Discusses Receiving Aid from the United States, 1921

Testimony of American Communist, Gitlow, to the Bolsheviks, 1929

The Venona Files (decoded Soviet transmissions on a variety of issues)

Krystyna Kersten, "Poles' Responses to the Realities of 1944-1947:
Questions for Consideration," INTERMARIUM, Volume 1, Number 1
1945


Harry S. Truman, Memoirs (Garden City, N.Y.: Doubleday  Company, Inc.,
1955) Chapter 24, pp. 372-394

NEW CHINESE SOURCES ON THE HISTORY OF THE COLD WAR By Steven M.
Goldstein and He Di

The Cold War

"Korea's Partition: Soviet-American Pursuit of Reunification,
1945-1948," JAMES I. MATRAY, Parameters, Spring 1998

"Portentous Sideshow: The Korean Occupation Decision," DONALD W. BOOSE,
JR, Parameters, Winter 1995, pp. 112-129.

Robert A. Pollard, Economic Security and the Origins of the Cold War,
1945-1950 (New York: Columbia University Press, 1985), pp. 20-23 (on US
demobilization after World War II)

FIRST MEETING OF COUNCIL OF FOREIGN MINISTERS, LONDON, SEPTEMBER 11 TO
OCTOBER 2, 1945,
Report by Secretary Byrnes, October 5, 1946

INTERIM MEETING OF FOREIGN MINISTERS OF THE UNITED STATES, THE UNITED
KINGDOM, AND THE UNION OF SOVIET SOCIALIST REPUBLICS, MOSCOW, DECEMBER
16-26, 1945
1946


Confidential Future Release notice for the press on a U. S. loan for the
Greek government, January 11, 1946

George Kennan, Excerpts from Telegraphic Message from Moscow of February
22, 1946

George Kennan's "Long Telegram, 22 February 1946

Fakiolas, Efstathios T., "Kennan's Long Telegram and NSC-68: A
Comparative Analysis," East European Quarterly, Vol. 31, no. 4, January
1998

"Letter between Mr. Cohen and Mr. Kindleberger identifying six major
problems in Europe, April 5, 1946"

Bozena Szaynok, "The Jewish Pogrom in Kielce, July 1946 - New Evidence,"
Intermarium, Volume 1, Number 3

SECOND MEETING OF THE COUNCIL OF FOREIGN MINISTERS, PARIS, (a) First
Part, April 25 to May 16,1946, Report by Secretary Byrnes, May 20,1946

Douglas J. Macdonald, "Communist Bloc Expansion in the Early Cold War:
Challenging Realism, Refuting Revisionism," International Security, Vol.
20, no. 3 (Winter 1995)

Dean Acheson's account of the crisis over Iran, 1946

Letter from Clark Clifford to William Leahy Requesting Intelligence
Estimates on the Soviet Union, 18 July 1946

Central Intelligence Agency, Office of Research and Evaluation, "Soviet
Foreign and Military Policy," 23 July 1946

Memo from Acting secretary of State Dean Acheson to President Truman on
the Greek Economic Mission, August 7, 1946

Letter from Charles Kindleberger, United States Political Adviser for
Germany, August 14, 1946

Memorandum for the President By Hoyt Vandenberg Regarding Possible
Soviet Military Action, 24 August 1946

PARIS PEACE CONFERENCE, JULY 29 TO OCTOBER 15, 1946, Report by Secretary
Byrnes, October 18, 1946

Winston Churchill, "Sinews of Peace," (the Iron Curtain Speech),
Westminster College, 1946

Post-World War II Speeches of Winston Churchill in Audio Format

THIRD MEETING OF THE COUNCIL OF F0REIGN MINISTERS, NEW YORK CITY,
NOVEMBER 4 TO DECEMBER 12, 1946, Report by the Department of State
1947


Central Intelligence Agency, Office of Research and Evaluation, "Revised
Soviet Tactics in International Affairs", 6 January 1947

Statement by General Marshall on the situation in China, January 7, 1947

Herbert Hoover's letter to the President Truman regarding the food
shortage in Europe, January 18, 1947

Herbert Hoover's letter to the President Truman asking for an inclusive
report in regards to spending on Germany for Congress and taxpayers,
January 19, 1947

Joseph M. Jones, The Fifteen Weeks (February 11-June 5, 1947) (New York:
The Viking Press, 1955) Chapter 1, "In Washington," pp. 3-13 (excerpts)

Summary of telegrams from Greece, Poland, and the USSR, February 25,
1947

Herbert Hoover's press release of The President's Economic Mission to
Germany and Austria, Report no. 1: German Agriculture and Food
Requirements, February 28, 1947

Draft Notes explaining why the United States should grant financial aid
to Greece and Turkey

Joseph M. Jones Notes on the Economics of Peace, March 1947


[CTRL] Diplomacy and Foreign Policy

1999-09-03 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/mcchtml/diplohm.html
A HREF="http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/mcchtml/diplohm.html"Diplomacy and
Foreign Policy/A
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Diplomacy and Foreign Policy




Only the official records of the State Department surpass the richness
of the Manuscript Division's holdings for documenting American foreign
policy. Aside from the wealth of information available in the Library's
twenty-three presidential collections, the division houses the papers of
more than half of the individuals who have served as secretary of state
from the first secretary, Thomas Jefferson, who assumed office in 1789,
to Alexander Haig, who resigned in 1982. More than two hundred other
collections comprise the papers of diplomats or contain significant
material relating to American diplomacy. These, too, span American
history, from Benjamin Franklin's letters as the American colonies'
diplomatic representative to France in 1776 to the papers of William
Howard Taft IV, who became the United States ambassador to the North
Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) in 1989.

Many of the division's earliest documents relating to American
diplomatic history are, in fact, transcripts, photoreproductions, and
other copies of rare materials held in repositories outside the United
States. In 1898, within a year of its creation, the Manuscript Division
acquired Benjamin Franklin Stevens's collection of facsimiles and
transcripts of British manuscripts. Soon thereafter it obtained
photoreproductions of additional papers relating to America held in
European archives. Donations from two private sources--James B. Wilbur
in 1925 and John D. Rockefeller, Jr., in 1927--provided financial
resources for the expansion of the division's Foreign Copying Program,
which today has grown to include thousands of volumes of transcripts,
photostats, microfiche, and microfilm. Supplementing the foreign
reproductions were donations from two private collectors of original
materials concerning the early Spanish and Portuguese involvement in
North America. The gifts of Edward S. Harkness in 1927 and Hans P. Kraus
in 1969 have made available to the public invaluable documents for the
first two centuries of European exploration, conquest, and settlement of
the New World.

Some of the division's oldest diplomatic materials reflect not only the
colonists' relationship with Great Britain, Spain, and France, but also
their dealings with the original inhabitants of the continent. The
records of the Virginia Company of London, for example, document some of
the first contacts between European settlers and the Indians of North
America. Early Indian treaties may be found in the Levi Woodbury Papers,
while military and diplomatic interaction between later generations of
settlers and Native Americans may be researched in the papers of Andrew
Jackson, James McHenry, Timothy Pickering, and the Return Jonathan Meigs
family. Other holdings, like the Indian Language Collection and the
papers of ethnologist Henry Rowe Schoolcraft, reflect more subtle and
intellectual efforts of both civilizations to understand one another.

American diplomatic affairs during the Revolution, the War of 1812, and
the first third of the eighteenth century are reflected in the papers of
presidents George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James
Monroe, Andrew Jackson, Martin Van Buren, William Henry Harrison, and
John Tyler as well as in the papers of various members of Congress and
the cabinet, including Timothy Pickering, Roger Sherman, Oliver
Ellsworth, James McHenry, Caleb Cushing, Henry Clay, and Daniel Webster.
The mid- to late eighteenth century also witnessed important events in
American foreign affairs and diplomacy, including the Mexican-American
War (1846-48), American Civil War (1861-65), and Spanish-American War
(1898). Some of the more notable collections documenting these events
and others include the papers of James K. Polk, John C. Calhoun, Abraham
Lincoln, William McKinley, John Sherman, Theodore Roosevelt, and Elihu
Root.

Diplomacy during World War I is extensively documented in the division's
holdings, notably in the papers of President Woodrow Wilson and his
cabinet members Robert Lansing, Philander C. Knox, William Jennings
Bryan, Newton D. Baker, Josephus Daniels, and others. Of particular
interest are nine volumes of private memoranda in which Secretary of
State Lansing recorded accounts of cabinet meetings, vivid impressions
of dignitaries whom he met, and detailed descriptions of the Paris Peace
Conference, the Treaty of Versailles, and the covenant of the League of
Nations.

In the twentieth century no foreign policy relationship has been so
fraught with danger as that of the United States and the Soviet Union.
The Library's manuscript resources are particularly rich for studying
the relations between these two superpowers, as the division's holdings
include the papers 

[CTRL] [1] Princess Diana Murder Conspiracy

1999-09-03 Thread Kris Millegan

 -Caveat Lector-

from:
http://www.mcn.org/b/poisonfrog/diana/page1.htm
A HREF="http://www.mcn.org/b/poisonfrog/diana/page1.htm"Princess Diana
Murder Conspiracy/A-
PRINCESS DIANA: CRUSHED BETWEEN THE EAST AND THE WEST

By Sherman H. Skolnick

More and more, Paris is becoming a center of political assassinations.

ITEM: In July, 1996, Amschel Rothschild was murdered, just as he was
about to become the new head of the Rothschild worldwide banking empire,
tied to the Vatican. Most of the American press were silent: some said
it was a heart attack; others, a suicide. He was found with a bathroom
cord tied around his neck, connected to a towel rack. In checking it
out, however, the Paris police discovered the rack came right off the
wall! Hence, it was murder, not suicide.

Rothschilds and Rockefellers have engaged each other in bloody financial
wars for many decades. Rothschild was murdered on the anniversary of the
murder of John D. Rockefeller III, 1978. Recently, we repeated the
exclusive details.

ITEM: February 1997: A long-time, major financial supporter of Albert
Gore, Jr., was murdered in Paris: Pamela Harriman, U.S. Ambassador to
France, widow of Averell Harriman of the major banking and railroad
fortune. With her help, Gore had joined with top U.S. military leaders,
who had fled to France, to arrest their Commander-in-Chief, Bill
Clinton, for treason.

ITEM: Various western intelligence agencies arranged to assassinate
Princess Diana, in Paris. She was killed on a sacred section called Pont
l'Alma -- from that is derived the word "Pontiff," that is, "Pope." The
ancient section is where most every royal family in Europe comes from.
According to legend, a person killed there goes straight to Heaven, as a
representative of Jesus.

According to unreleased witness reports, a vehicle (on purpose) tapped
or hit the rear of Diana's Mercedes, one of the heavily-built models,
reportedly made bomb- and bullet-resistant. A slick had already been
spread ahead of her car, which then hit an intentional, heavy
obstruction planted in the tunnel roadway. The second car had
intelligence agents from the super-secret Committee of Twenty-Six,
headquartered in Bristol, England, made up of covert operatives of the
United States and the United Kingdom, skilled in murder disguised as
auto accident. Informed of this in advance, French Intelligence took a
"hands off" posture and delayed the arrival of the Paris police to the
murder scene. The local authorities in Paris reportedly have "smoking
gun" video evidence made by "Paparazzi" on motorbikes (that is,
celebrity-chasing photographers), reportedly showing the political
assassination details. French authorities have proof to blackmail Bill
Clinton, both on the murder of Diana as well as the cover-up of the
missile attack on the Paris-bound TWA Flight 800, in which 60 French
nationals perished, including 8 of the French Secret Police.

Diana and her intended Arab husband were set to shift billions of
dollars from the West, to banks in Germany and Austria. The princess was
crushed between the East and the West: between the Pope and the failing,
degenerate British monarchy, the House of Windsor. Newsfakers here and
overseas continue to call it a so-called "auto accident."
=
PART TWO:
WHOEVER CONTROLS PRINCESS DIANA CONTROLS THE WORLD

By Ru Mills

Princess Diana and her soon-to-be husband, Dodi Fayed, were fatally
injured in the Pont de l'Alma tunnel. The site is ancient, dating back
to the time of the Merovingian kings (ca. 500 - 751 A.D.), and before.
In pre-Christian times, the Pont de l'Alma was a pagan sacrificial site.
Note that in the pagan connotation, at least, sacrifice is not to be
confused with murder: the sacrificial victim had to be a willing
participant.

In the time of the Merovingian kings, the Pont de l'Alma was an
underground chamber. Founder of the Merovingian dynasty was Merovaeus,
said to be descended from the union of a sea creature and a French
queen. Merovaeus followed the pagan cult of Diana. In Middle English,
"soul" (Alma) has as etymology "descended from the sea." "Pont," has as
a Latin root "pontifex," meaning a Roman high priest. (See also pons,
pontis -- bridge; passage.) "Alma" comes from the Latin "almus," meaning
nourishing. One translation of Pont de l'Alma would be "bridge of the
soul." Another would be "passage of nourishment." All true European
royalty is descended from the Merovingians, which are believed to be
descendants of Jesus Christ.

During the Merovingian era, if two kings had a dispute over property, it
was settled in combat at Pont de l'Alma. According to legend, anyone
killed there goes straight to Heaven and sits at the right hand of God,
watching over all his foe was to do. The person killed in combat was
actually considered to be the "winner," since he became God's eyes on
earth and even could manipulate events.

The current British royal family are imposters. The House of Windsor is
a fraud. But the lineage of Lady 

[CTRL] [2] Princess Diana Murder Conspiracy

1999-09-03 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
http://www.mcn.org/b/poisonfrog/diana/page5.htm
A HREF="http://www.mcn.org/b/poisonfrog/diana/page5.htm"Princess Diana
Murder Conspiracy/A
-
Part Five
Diana: LOOSE CANNON TERMINATED BY MI6

by David-Charles Hammonds

People have asked the inevitable. American conspiracy theorists have
asked, as they always do, 'is there a conspiracy'? You bet your life
there is. Let me fill in you in on how and why MI6 were able to
terminate Diana. and why they needed to.

Diana has always been a worry to the British Royal family. She was
selected by Buckingham Palace, to be little more than the 'surrogate
mother' to Prince Charles' role as constitutional 'stud'. Although she
undoubtedly cared for Charles, maybe even loved him, she knew at her
marriage that Charles' affections to her were eclipsed by his affections
for Camillia Parker-Bowles, a woman of a minor aristocratic family.
Camillia is two years older than Charles. A woman of Cammilla's age
would have been in her late thirties at the time that Charles married
Diana. A woman more of Charles' age would not have had bodily-clock with
the same ample mileage left that Diana's did. A marriage was forced
between Charles - a man selfishly pre-possessed with becoming King and
providing heirs - and Diana, a young bedazzled girl caught in the web of
one of the most devious women in Britain - The Queen Of England.

Charles was always far more unpopular with the British people than Diana
and he resented this, resented this a lot. Charles was the important
one, it was he who was to head the British State, and yet this shy,
inarticulate girl was beguiling to to the British people and later the
world. From the start of the marriage, Diana knew that she would have to
'make' Charles love her, she knew full-well that he didn't already. She
knew he still loved Camillia. 'There were always three of us in our
marriage', she said on BBC's Panorama. But throughout this unhappy time,
she'd managed to do her job - she'd provided two healthy boys, she'd
provided the all-important heirs.

Although the Queen's plan had been an immense success, she couldn't help
but be horribly cruel towards Diana. The Princess of Wales was not given
ladies in waiting - she was always a pseudo-Royal in the eyes of the
Queen. This, understandably, took it's toll on Diana. She descended into
bouts of bulimia, became psychologically scarred. Yet, even in her
frailty she was being a pain in the arse to the Queen and her darling
Charles. She was as popular as ever. While Charles played the
grouse-shooting Aristocrat and was alienating the British people from
the Monarchy, Diana was transcending such matters and was developing
herself into a formidable force. More and more the world saw her as the
House of Windsor's Cinderella, who was fighting her way to the ball.
Yet, Charles, the envious little creature that he is, could not take
pleasure in the asset of Diana. She outshone him and he hated it. He
didn't love her, resented her, maybe privately despised her - he really
wanted her out of his life. Throughout this time Charles was having a
relationship with Camilla. Diana had tried to make him love or even like
her. She had failed. She would have to start to live her own life. This
she did.

It was when she began to acknowledge that she had no real future with
Charles she inevitably looked for other love-interests. This she found
for a time with the swashbuckling Capt. James Hewitt. However, the
Establishment, sensing that Diana had given her first two-fingers to the
House of Windsor, she was in for trouble. Now not only a target of the
Queen, she was now a target of Britain's domestic intelligence agency -
MI5. Behind closed doors, the establishment of Aristocratic Elites and
related Conservative politicians (up to the moment of her death,
Conservative politicians were mounting a venomous assault of words,
accusing her of being party-political, 'A loose cannon') decided to
launch a campaign to discredit her in the eyes of Britain. The
unaccountable, secretive and often down-right evil MI5 were called in to
monitor Diana, tap-her phones, dig the dirt. This they did, and their
greatest triumph came with the 'Squidgy' tapes (intimate calls between
Diana and another male friend, 'Gilby', proving adultery) which were
leaked into the press by M15. And yet, British opinion was not as
conservative as the growing conspiracy had thought. People were not too
bothered, they saw Diana as a victim, they excused the affair, they were
more angry that someone had tapped the woman's phone. The establishment
plot was failing. The British Monarchy was looking bad, the future King
was looking bad, the whole British constitutional system was slowly
being viewed with resentment by a larger portion of the population than
ever before. Yet through all this Diana was shining, bringing a
fairy-tale magic in fleeting moments to AIDs victims, the homeless, the
war torn. If the British establishment was showing 

[CTRL] Fwd: SNET: banking...

1999-09-03 Thread Kris Millegan






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Bankers are scared, and do you know why?  Do you understand fractional
reserve banking?  The banking system that is/has been used to
destroy/contol America?  Do you understand fraud?   Well, if you do not
understand fraud, just read what follows, and you will start to get a
much better picture.

But, while you are doing so, you had also better start paying
attention.  I said that bankers are scared.  What follows is not what
scares them (they are not aware enough to understand this is coming).
What scares the bankers is losing a portion of their deposits, which are
used to support their "credit."  Do you understand?

People are starting to pull cash out of the banks (smart people!).  If
the banks lose as little as 2% of their deposit base, they will need to
start calling in outstanding loans at the rate of about TEN TO ONE; for
every dollar going out the door, they have to call in ten dollars in
loans.  A mathmatical impossibility.  This is why every nation which has
permitted fractional reserve banking has self destructed.  Eventually,
the people always wise up enough to lose "faith" in the bankers credit.

But, those countries did not have the Declaration of Independence, and
the people had no recourse.  When the following info gets into enough
hands, do you suppose this may accelerate the bank's problems, just a
little?

The American economy is a greatly expanded balloon.  It is going to
collaspe, or it is going to go boom.  What happens to you and your
family when the economy stops is strictly dependent on what you do to
prepare now.  Think about how bad it is going to be in the cities.  Then
read the following, and get involved.  There are solutions being found.
You can help, and by helping, you can gain a tremendous amout.  What
would it mean to your family to have no house payment when things get
tough?  And no need to pay the so-called property tax?  Would it be
easier to survive?

Your decision.  I have sent out enough info over the last several months
that you should be getting some clues as to how possible this is.  God
Bless, David

http://kskc.net/public/tmccrory/goingon.htm

BANKING  CREDIT: There are some essentials relating to banking and
 credit that must be understood in order to come to terms with how
to
 successfully discharged bank-originated debt. The first matter is
the
 nature of "credit" extended by Federally chartered and/or Federal
 Reserve or FDIC-member financial institutions. The first is to
grasp
 what "credit" is, as defined at 15 U.S.C. 1602(e): "Credit" is a
grant
 of authority to defer payment of debt, or create debt then defer
 payment.

 For purposes of the Consumer Protection Act, the "creditor" is
defined
 as the financial institution which provides credit, and the
merchant who
 provides goods and services. However, that definition is limited to
the
 Consumer Protection Act itself -- it does not have general
application.
 Where there is a "credit" transaction under auspices of a Federal
grant
 of authority, the financial institution is in all cases operating
as
 "fiscal agent" of the United States, and in most if not all cases,
as a
 "mixed-ownership" (hybrid) United States corporation. The United
States
 is always principal of interest -- the "debt" is ultimately an
 obligation to the United States, and the United States has the only

 right of action to recover the debt. The financial institution
which
 originates the "credit" merely services the debt, it is not the
 principal of interest.

 The financial institution, whether a national bank, credit union,
or
 whatever, is organized as an "association" to provide basic
financial
 services for qualified association members. These entities deal
 exclusively in "public money" -- public money is hypothecated
"credit of
 the United States". Therefore, only people who are authorized by
law to
 receive and use "public money" are qualified to be association
members.
 Those authorized by law to receive and use "public money" are
officers
 and employees of the United States, territories and insular
possessions
 subject to sovereignty of the United States, and Indian tribes
 recognized by United States Government. See limiting provisions at
31
 CFR 202(a), and FDIC insurance solely of "public money" accounts at
12
 U.S.C. § 1821(a)(2)(A).

 This is where the Social Security number comes in -- the Social
Security
 number creates a presumption that whoever applies for credit is one
of
 those entitled to custody and use of public money. However, that in
and
 of itself isn’t sufficient to sustain most foreclosures, etc., as
the
 financial institution has no right of action to foreclose consumer
or
 other "credit" obligations.

 A national banking association may sue and be sued in courts of the

 several States, but only so far as basic 

Re: [CTRL] Scientific Heresy

1999-09-03 Thread Sean McDougal

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 Not that Kansas has banned Darwin; only that other views of human origins
may be discussed in its schools, including so-called creationist theories.
Aren't we all in favor of "diversity" in education? Not when it comes to the
sacred doctrine of Darwinism! 

The difference is that evolution can be observed quantitatively, thus making
it science.  Creationism has only been observed to be of the highest
improbability.  Science and religion are two different pursuits.  Do we
insist that English literature be taught in mathematics classes?  After all,
who is to say which is the RIGHT language?  Right?

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[CTRL] Fw: Waco's Little Rock Connection

1999-09-03 Thread day

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Let's see...The scumbag rapist's dead body count is at 50 and
counting.can we revise that now to 120?


Waco's Little Rock connection
 September 3, 1999
 Joseph Farah

 Finally, there's some finger-pointing going on in the executive branch of the
 federal government over the exterminations of more than 70 men, women
 and children at the Branch Davidian church in Waco in 1993.

 It's about time. This is progress. But we won't be any closer to holding the
 guilty accountable until the White House connections are fully explored.
 There's ample reason to believe Bill Clinton was working behind the scenes
 on engineering the initial Waco raid even before he became president.

 One of the original witnesses against the Branch Davidians was Bill Buford,
 the agent in charge of the Little Rock, Ark., branch of the Bureau of Alcohol,
 Tobacco and Firearms. Buford was, also, according to Arkansas sources,
 a friend of Bill. The Waco case was apparently very important to Buford as
 an affidavit states he was working on New Year's Day calling former Branch
 Davidians seeking to find evidence of sexual abuse.

 My friend and colleague, Andy Beal, who first explored the Little Rock
 connection to Waco, asks a good question: What was the resident agent
 in charge of the Little Rock office of the BATF doing investigating a sex abuse
 case in Texas? Is sex abuse BATF's jurisdiction? Is Texas under the jurisdiction
 of the BATF's Arkansas office?

 Documents show Buford is noted as one of two "senior raid planners." He
 was also one of the BATF agents wounded during the Feb. 28 assault, but
 he is perhaps the only BATF agent to be visited in the hospital by none other
 than top Treasury Department official Roger Altman.

 Altman was the long-time "Friend of Bill" appointed to be deputy secretary
 of the Treasury and chief executive officer of the Resolution Trust Corporation.
 He resigned in August 1994 due to his interference in the Whitewater investigation.
 At the time of the Waco raid, Roger Altman was the second highest-ranking
 official at the Department of the Treasury. The BATF is a bureau within the
 Treasury Department.

 Is it not possible -- is it not likely, knowing what we know about the character
 of the Clinton administration today -- that the Clinton transition team was
 involved in the planning of the initial raid on Waco even before taking power?
 Remember, Vincent Foster's wife claimed he blamed himself for the deaths
 in Waco. Webster Hubbell, who became the point man between the Justice
 Department and White House during the siege, was also instrumental in
 that transition to power. Then there's Altman and Buford.

 Foster, Hubbell, Altman and Buford were all in Little Rock leading up to the
 inauguration. Clinton takes power Jan. 20, 1993. One month later, the BATF
 stages the largest and most dramatic raid in its history -- videotaped in living
 color in anticipation of its success in subduing religious non-conformists in
 possession of illegal guns.

 The injustice and illegality of the initial raid has still never been fully examined.
 Today the focus is on how and why the remaining occupants of the church
 building were exterminated in a fire. Yet, the equally puzzling question of why
 a dynamic and violent entry was necessary to serve a search warrant on
 David Koresh shortly after he went target shooting with officers of the BATF.
 The local sheriff offered to serve the warrant at the general store to avoid any
 confrontation. There was simply no need for all the deadly theatrics of the
 initial raid.

 The only reasonable explanation seems to be the one proffered by the
 documentary, "Waco: Rules of Engagement," which postulates that the
 raid was intended as a public relations effort by the BATF and a commercial
 for stricter gun control enforcement.

 There are many unanswered questions when it comes to Waco. But maybe
 now it's time to start asking some of the unasked questions.

 What was the involvement in Waco planning of key Clinton White House
 officials even before they took power? Was the Waco raid, in fact, cooked
 up as a publicity and political stunt by an incoming administration itching for
 drama and action? Is it possible that Clinton and his cronies bear even more
 responsibility than any of us imagine for this deadly escapade?
 

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[CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] WACO- THE BIG QUESTION

1999-09-03 Thread day

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No, blame those who did the killings and those, like you,
who hide themselves from the truth and let evil persist.

 Howard Davis


Bravo Howard!   You've certainly put ignorance
in it's place!

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[CTRL] Should we trust the government?

1999-09-03 Thread ASu2431426

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Thank you for the Waco posting/   Wake up people!.It is no longer "right"
and "left"
it is "us" versus "them".

We have a police  state gone crazy,.  with a bought Congress.

Waco was revived because of stubborn individuals looking for the truth.  Not
by either of the political parties.  Republican or Democrat.

Somebody has to stand trial for murder.And a gutless Congress has to open
up  the other coverups.. ...30 last time we counted

Washington has to be cleaned up once and for all..That includes the Bush
faction

...   .

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Re: [CTRL] WACO- THE BIG QUESTION (Time For The Truth)

1999-09-03 Thread flw

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From: William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: WACO- THE BIG QUESTION

 Koresh WAS a pedophile, no question about that, but WHY didn't he and the
 rest of his "Branch DavIdiots" comply with the fed's???
 Why barricade yourself inside a "compound"
 If any of us refused a lawful request and instead holed up in our homes
(or
 compounds, if we're "landed" enough) we'd be run through too...big shock!

 If everything was so legit (not his offspring though) why not air these
 things in public??? In a court where reporters would be there, maybe even
 CourtTV!
 Bill.

The above reads like Janet Reno's vodka induced babblings.

The truth is that the ATF staged a budget enhancing media event.

The truth is that the ATF shot first and asked questions later.

The truth is that within the first 2 minutes of the unprovoked shooting
attack of the Waco Church, Koresh had been gut shot through the front door
(which conveniently "disappeared" after the raid) and his 6 week old baby
had
been shot in the head by the ATF.(Kinda discourages one from peacefully
surrendering and having much confidence in getting "your day in court."

The truth is "pedophile" Koresh had several teenage "brides" (like
religious
leaders tend to do from Isreal to China (and Mormons). Hardly the reason to
murder 80 men, women and children. {Yeah, lets burn the "abused" children
alive,
in order to protect them from Koresh).

The truth is that the murders of the women and children commenced when the
tanks began smashing the flimsly plywood building down on top of them and
squashing their bodies by repeatedly rolling over them - even before the
fire was
started by the FBI "flashbang" grenades setting off the propane tank at the
point
of origin.
flw

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Re: [CTRL] The U.S. -- Violator of Human Rights

1999-09-03 Thread Nicola Molloy

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If this helps I have read Amnesty International is run by MI6 and
Greenpeace by CIA. Not sure where I read this but possibly The
Conspirators Hierarchy by Dr John Coleman.The whole book is on this
site.It is the 1992 version, though he has updated it since. I'd say the
reason they haven't killed him yet is because he's too smart for them.I
have all his books and they seem pretty accurate.He's taking a big risk
with what he says naming everyone, but I think he is consistant and
isn't a disinfomation agent, but what/who for if he is? It dosn't show.
He says Red Cross is on the Committee of 300 too. I like what he says
about the Committee of 300 having hundreds of magazines - easy to see
many mags about nowdays slowly brainwashing people into globalism,
specially New Age, healthy lifestyle and technology ones.


 http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/300dx.htm

Nicky



Andrew Kieran wrote:

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 I don't believe that Amnesty International is a part of the UN. Am I
 incorrect? It may perhaps be considered by the UN to be an NGO which may
 have more power within the UN than other groups, but I don't know about
 that. Anyone know?

 i'm pretty sure that Amnesty International is an independent organisation,
 i'd be surprised it was organised by the UN.

 I can't see how this could be the case, because i haven't noticed any bias
 in their reporting, they seem to be entirely independent, i remember
 reading an annual report on human rights abuse in different countries that
 reported on police brutality in western countries, as well as all the other
 saddam, kosova stuff we all hear about already from the entirely biased
 NATO reports which only a fool would trust.

 Mind, you can't trust anyone in a war, maybe not even Amnesty International.

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[CTRL] Snipped from Peacefarce 39

1999-09-03 Thread K

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 September 3, 1999
 
 1. Texas Radio Buff: About Two Dozen NATO Aircraft Shot Down by the
 Serbs; Chinese Embassy Deliberately Hit

 PHOENIX, Sept. 3 - Many people would like to eavesdrop, but few know
 how to do it legally and professionally.  Steve Douglas of Ben Hur,
 Texas, is one of few.  Nor does he eavesdrop on something as trivial
 as domestic squabbles.  Unless, of course, they happen to take place
 on Air Force One (the U.S. President's official airplane).

 "It's amazing how many (U.S. government) communications are not
 encrypted, even on Air Force One," Douglas told Jeff Rense on Aug. 16,
 a host of a popular Internet Radio show which airs daily at the
 Sightings Radio Web site.

 What attracted our attention to Steve Douglas, however (thanks to a
 heads-up we got from a TiM reader in the U.K.), was that he also
 eavesdrops (literally and legally) to many unencrypted U.S. military
 messages.  Such as those exchanges during NATO's war on Serbia, for
 example, when many communications between the NATO pilots and command
 and control centers were not encrypted, due to a lack of sufficient
 number of encryption devices, according to Douglas.

 So what valuable "intel" did Douglas pick up from all this
 eavesdropping to be invited as a guest on the Jeff Rense radio show?
 How about that at least 22 NATO fixed wing air craft were shot down by
 the Serb defense, about 10 of those U.S. planes.  And that the bombing
 of the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade was no accident, as the Clinton
 administration claimed.  News doesn't get more bombastic than that,
 does it, especially at a time of universal deceit which the
 Washington-Brussels-London "lie and deny" PR and military crowd
 practiced during the war.

 So now not only has the "Venik" Web site, and our other sources inside
 Serbia, corroborated some of the Yugoslav military claims about the
 large numbers of downed NATO aircraft (see S99-141, "Peacefarce" 35,
 Item 2, Aug. 26 and S99-139, "Peacefarce" 33, Item 2, Aug. 24) now we
 have someone right here in the United States, saying the Clinton's
 White House, the Pentagon's and NATO's claims about having lost only
 one (F-117A) "stealth" jet, are just plain bunk.

 But not only was Douglas careful not to use that term ("bunk"), he
 sounded downright nervous and reluctant to divulge much when
 questioned about the details by the radio show host, Jeff Rense.
 Having said that he realized the "caveat" (i.e., probably the pre-show
 agreement between the two?) - that Douglas wasn't going to disclose
 more than you feel is warranted" (to stay alive?) - Rense nevertheless
 pressed Douglas about the loss of American lives with all these lost
 aircraft.  Especially when NATO rescue helicopters were also shot down
 by the Yugoslav military, as some of our Serb sources had claimed
 throughout the war (see S99-08, Day 4, Update 2, Item 2, Mar. 27;
 S99-22, Day 10, Update 1, Apr. 2; and S99-29, Day 13, Update 2, Item
 1, Apr. 5 for some such examples).

 Douglas said he'd heard the same "rumors," but did not know much more
 than that.  He sounded scared when he said that.  But he did say that
 he'd heard about a loss of at least one "Blackhawk" helicopter.

 But don't take our word for it.  Judge Steve Douglas' testimony for
 yourself at the Sightings Radio Web site -
 http://www.broadcast.com/shows/endoftheline/99archives.stm, or go
 directly to the audio file -
 http://www.audionet.com/shows/endoftheline/9908/end0816.ram, provided
 to us by our U.K. source.  The relevant discussion takes place at
 about the 2:15:00 mark of this audio file.

 As for the Chinese Embassy story, fast-forward to about 2:44:00 mark
 of the Jeff Rense show audio file.  "It was no accident.  They knew
 what they were hitting," Douglas said of the B-2 bomber strike just
 before midnight on May 7 (see S99-71, Day 47, Item 1, May 8).

 In other words, Douglas' eavesdropping seems to confirm what the
 Chinese have thought all along - that it was a deliberate strike.  And
 his listening in on the U.S. military communications debunks another
 set of lies, denials and official apologies to the Chinese by the
 Clinton administration officials, starting with the President (also
 see "Who Lost China?" - TiM GW Bulletin 98/8-3, Aug. 16 -
 http://www.truthinmedia.org/Bulletins99/tim99-8-3.html).

 Now, whichever side of this issue you've been on till now (we've been
 leaning, for example, toward the "accident" theory), see the key
 missing element was the motive.  Douglas provides it in the interview.
  "The Chinese 'stealth' (aircraft) expert was in the country," he
 opined.  And as well all know, after one huge embarrassment of having
 one of its "untouchable" aircraft scattered all over Serb farmers'
 fields on Mar. 27 (see S99-143, "Peacefarce" 37, Item 1, Aug. 30 -
 http://www.truthinmedia.org/Kosovo/Peace/ps37.html), the "omnipotent"
 NATO and the Pentagon military leaders could ill afford 

[CTRL] Give back the church bells

1999-09-03 Thread Bob Stokes

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www.WorldNetDaily.com
FRIDAY SEPTEMBER 03 1999

Give back the church bells
Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr.

As long as we're on the subject, let's talk about another U.S. government
attack on a church.

One hundred years ago, during its war on Spain, the U.S. invaded the
Philippines, sprayed bullets far and wide, and put the entire country under
martial law. The result was costly for the U.S. -- it created a habit of
imperialist aggression that is still with us today. And it was also costly
for the Philippines: an entire generation suffered from the violence
associated with a brutal occupation, or the resulting disease and political
turmoil.

Now to the church. In Balangiga, the U.S. Army made slaves of the residents
and turned the place into a work camp. With indefatigable spirit, the local
residents decided not to take it anymore. Church bells of the local Catholic
parish began to ring, signaling a revolt, and 45 U.S. soldiers died. In
response, the American commander gave orders to murder "everyone in sight,"
which they promptly did. The result: as many as 50,000 dead Filipinos, among
whom were women and children.

A bit on the disproportionate side perhaps? Indeed, but like the FBI at
Waco, the U.S. military in the Philippines had only one end in mind: total
victory. Adding insult to massacre, the U.S. Army then stole the church
bells and took them to Warren Air Force base in Cheyenne, Wyo., where they
hang today. But now the parish in the Philippines wants them back, as a
symbol that all this is just ancient history. They even rebuilt the belfry
at the parish in anticipation of the bells' return.

But as we've seen in the Waco case, the U.S. government is notoriously
unwilling to admit error, particularly bloody, egregious error. Hence, so
far, the bells are not forthcoming, despite the attempt on the part of many
groups to intervene and put an end to the parading of religious objects as
war loot. No, instead Congress has passed a resolution forbidding the return
of war booty without its authorization.

In case you think the Filipinos are making an unjust demand, consider the
context. There was no justification for either the U.S. presence in the
Philippines or the violence with which the U.S. carried it out. At stake was
little more than a militarized trade dispute between Spain and the U.S.,
while Cuba, Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Philippines were caught in the
crossfire.

An American officer testified in a letter to the Philadelphia Ledger on Nov.
11, 1901: "Our men have been relentless, have killed to exterminate men,
women, and children, prisoners and captives, active insurgents and suspected
people, from lads of ten up, an idea prevailing that the Filipino was little
better than a dog."

And this gentlemen was writing in defense of the war!

Or consider this letter written before the invasion by another officer:
"There is no use in mincing words We exterminated the American Indians,
and I guess most of us are proud of it, or, at least believe that the end
justified the means; and we must have no scruples about exterminating this
other race standing in the way of progress and enlightenment, if it is
necessary."

Neither was this merely the attitude of a few recalcitrant soldiers. Using
religion as his cover, President William McKinley later justified his
behavior in similar terms. As he told a delegation of Methodist clergymen:

"I went down on my knees and prayed to Almighty God for light and guidance
... and one night late it came to me this way We could not leave (the
Philippines) to themselves -- they were unfit for self-government -- and
they would soon have anarchy and misrule over there worse than Spain's was.
... There was nothing left for us to do but take them all and educate the
Filipinos, and uplift and Christianize them."

Recall that the Philippines was largely Catholic, which the Protestant
ruling elite in this country did not consider to be a Christian religion.
And what better way to treat these supposed non-Christians than to starve
and kill them? In a similar way, the Branch Davidians were considered to be
a dangerous and uncivilized cult that needed to be either mainstreamed or
exterminated. They resisted and suffered, as so many before them have
suffered.

The costs to the Filipinos, reports Joseph Stromberg in his essay in the
collection, "The Costs of War," were immense. Fully 50,000 died in combat,
and another 220,000 civilians died from gunfire, starvation, and the effects
of concentration camps. The oppression continued for most of the first half
of the century, in which the U.S. continued to enforce its rule over the
country, at the behest of large U.S. corporations doing business there.

Why was the U.S. doing all this? The short answer is that the government
wanted to expand its power and that of its connected interests, regardless
of the costs. Why did the U.S. kill so many? The people resisted. Why did
the Army steal the bells? Arrogance: the 

Re: [CTRL] [[SC] Skeptic News - Thursday #4]

1999-09-03 Thread Robert Tatman

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[CTRL] Lewinsky tied to Taft?

1999-09-03 Thread Linda Minor

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Another Ohio/Taft connection.  See below:

Kris wrote:
 But Diana’s grandfather, Edmund Maurice Burke Roche, defied the will
and claimed his title, becoming the 4th Baron Fermoy.


There was a man named William T. Campbell who became one of the founders of
the Texas Company (Texaco) in about 1901.  Prior to that he had been in
Cincinnati, Ohio, and by 1885 was in Waxahachie, Texas, where his daughter
Sarah was born.  He was married to Sarah (Turnbull) Campbell.
Debrett’s Texas Peerage says:

"Mr. Campbell was a Scottish aristocrat, a member of the Campbell Clan of
Argyle.  Descended from a family of stockbrokers, he had genes of financial
genius.  (His great friend and fellow Briton-turned-oil-prospector, Burke
Roche, was the younger twin brother of the 3rd Baron of Fermoy, a direct
ancestor of Britain’s present Princess Di.  Since Roche and Campbell were
both ‘second sons,’ they came to America to seek their fortunes.)  At age
20, Campbell was working as a cub reporter for the Cincinnati Enquirer.  He
and a fellow cub, Henry Vuillard [sic], had their first scoop interviewing
William Howard Taft.  Vuillard went on to found the Great Northern Railroad.
His Madison Avenue mansion in New York is now the Palace Hotel.  Campbell
later named his third son, Henry Vuillard Campbell, for his old friend and
fellow journalist."

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[CTRL] Waco, Vince Foster, and the Secret War 2/2

1999-09-03 Thread Mack White

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Waco, Vince Foster, and the Secret War 2/2
Copyright 1999 Mack White

This money had come to Foster due to his involvement in what is now known
as the October Surprise. Allegedly, Foster, acting under the auspices of
George Bush and Casper Weinberger, had arranged for the transfer of nuclear
launch codes to Israel, in return for their role in mediating the delayed
release of the hostages in Iran.

Numerous parties, then, may have had reason to kill Foster, in order to
prevent the scandal that was about to break. Some say it was the Mossad,
and claim surveillance video exists which shows Mossad agents leaving
Foster's apartment on the day of his death.

Yet, officially, the explanation for Foster's death remains suicide. We are
asked to believe that this lawyer was a sensitive soul who, with the Travel
Office scandal and Whitewater threatening to engulf him, could no longer
endure the cruel world of politics and so bade farewell not only to
Washington, but to life itself.

Vince Foster's widow, however, has another explanation for his alleged
suicide. In an Associated Press story, she stated his death had something
to do with the Waco incident, which had occurred only a few months before.
According to her, he felt responsible for what happened in Waco, and that
is why he killed himself.

If it is true that Foster was involved in the modification of PROMIS, and
if it is true, as the surviving Branch Davidians claim, that Jeff Little
was involved in a government project which sounds suspiciously like the
modification of PROMIS, then it would seem we have found another, deeper
link between Foster and Waco.

Many have alleged that Mt. Carmel Center was an intelligence front of some
kind. For instance, the minister of a rival Davidian church in Waco told me
that, under Koresh, it had been a biowarfare factory. This view was shared
by lawyer and "Patriot" Linda Thompson, who in a Penthouse interview,
alleged it was a CIA facility, and that the ATF raid was orchestrated by
the FBI, acting in alliance with Israel's Mossad, to shut the factory.

At first I was inclined to dismiss this idea. However, since Waco, we have
seen evidence that a Japanese "cult" was involved in the manufacture and
terrorist use of deadly sarin gas. So this cannot be ruled out as the sort
of activity for which a church might be used as a front.

And yet, there is no evidence biological warfare agents were being
manufactured at Waco.  There is evidence, however, that an amphetamine
factory existed at Waco. This comes from the Davidians themselves.

After David Koresh took over leadership of the group in the 1980s, the
Davidians were renovating Mt. Carmel and found evidence of this factory.
They alleged it had been the work of former leader George Roden. Indeed, it
was well known throughout Texas in the early 1980s that the "best speed"
came from Waco.

Roden left after a power struggle with Koresh. At last report, he was
living in a mental   institution in Big Spring, Texas. On at least two
occasions he has escaped from this facility, and once managed to travel all
the way to the Israeli embassy in New York. He claims some sort of
connection with the Israeli government.

Israel figured prominently in Koresh's life, too. It was while on a trip to
Israel in the 1980s that he received a "vision" which started him on his
new career as spiritual leader. The book IWhy Waco?/I reports that
Koresh continued to receive visions after returning to the U.S., and that
the insights he used for his sermons always originated as pictures being
beamed into his head.

One is reminded here of the Gnostic imagery which the late science fiction
author Philip K. Dick claimed was beamed into his head by an external
entity. Perhaps Dick's and Koresh's "visions" originated from God, perhaps
from extraterrestrials, perhaps from their own minds, or perhaps they were
delivered by microwave. More than one person has suggested Dick might have
been a mind control victim, and the allegation has also been raised that
Waco might have been a Jonestown-style mind control facility.

Whatever the explanation for Koresh's visions, his leadership represented a
new era  for the church. There is no evidence speed, or sarin, or anything
of the kind,was manufactured during his tenure at Waco. What does seem to
have gone on, though, is computer espionage--if what the Davidians say
about their deceased brethren Jeff Little and Wayne Martin can be believed.

The question then becomes, if Little and Martin were engaged in such
activity, what could have been the nature of the information they were
gathering?

In Day 51, Richard Mosley took a guess and suggested it might have had
something to do with ATF-sponsored illegal arms distributions to urban
street gangs.  However, he has since eliminated that suggestion from the
latest edition of the documentary, preferring to leave the question open.

The presence of a speed lab at Waco has led some to speculate on a
connection 

[CTRL] Waco, Vince Foster, and the Secret War 1/2

1999-09-03 Thread Mack White

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Waco, Vince Foster, and the Secret War 1/2
Copyright 1999 Mack White

In the year after the famous fire at Waco, I met the surviving Branch
Davidians. It was through a friend of mine, Richard Mosley, who produced
the documentary Day 51: The True Story of Waco.

I had done some research on Jonestown, the CIA mind control facility in
Guyana which had come to a spectular end in 1977. Officially, Jonestown was
a mass suicide, and when the Mt. Carmel complex in Waco caught on the fire,
the FBI immediately labeled it "another Jonestown." In reality, however,
Jonestown itself was not "another Jonestown." It has been established long
ago that most of the Jonestown dead did not voluntarily drink the Evil
Kool-Aid, but showed signs of having been either forcibly injected with
cyanide or killed by machine gun.

For his documentary on Waco, Richard needed a talking head to describe
Jonestown.  So I was pressed into service, and was interviewed for the
documentary. Then, the following April, one year after the fire, the
documentary was finished and he invited me to attend a screening in Waco
with the surviving Branch Davidians. This came at an opportune time, for I
had just been assigned by The Nose magazine to do a three-page piece of
comics journalism, "Waco: One Year Later" (later reprinted in Villa of the
Mysteries #2). I was eager to meet the surviving Davidians and hear
firsthand what had happened.

So I drove to Waco on a Wednesday night--the first anniversary date, April
19, was exactly one week away--and met them. There were about a dozen
Davidians in attendance, including Clive Doyle, Sheila Martin, and Wally
Kennett.

I found these people to be--well, just that--people, not the fiendish
"cultists" described by the mainstream media. They were a quiet lot, not at
all pushy with their religion, and seemed, more than anything else, sad and
puzzled by the way they had been demonized by the government and the
mainstream media.

They told me how, during the previous year, they had all been interviewed
by a woman reporter from ABC's 20/20. They had told her many things, such
as how the Davidians who had run out the back of the flaming building--the
side not covered by television cameras--had been killed by FBI sniper fire.
The reporter had been excited by these revelations, and told them it was
going to be a powerful segment. "Be sure to watch," she told them. They
did, and were dismayed to find their interviews liberally edited. The
business about the snipers, among other things, had been left out. The
reporter called them the next day to apologize. It was not her fault, she
told them. It had been her producer in New York who had censored the story.

Fortunately, Day 51 was not subject to censorship. Among the things dealt
with in that documentary was the FBI sniper fire. Yet, at that early date,
there was no hard physical evidence for these shootings--only the testimony
of the surviving Davidians .Since then, however, another documentary has
appeared--Waco: The Rules of Engagement--in which infrared video taken by
a surveillance helicopter clearly shows sniper fire, as well as tanks
firing incendiary devices into the building.

One thing not dealt with in Rules of Engagement, however, is the cause of
the Waco massacre. Yes, we get an explanation, but it is the standard one:
It was funding time in Congress, the ATF wanted to put on a big show,
things got out of hand, mistakes were made, etc. etc. But is that really
all there is to say about the matter?

Day 51 interviewed Davidian Wally Kennett, who stated the ATF was in
actuality not looking for an illegal arsenal when they raided Mt. Carmel
on February 28, 1993, but rather for information stored on a computer.
This information, he alleged, had been compiled by two Davidians--Jeff
Little and Wayne Martin--both of whom were killed in the final assault on
April 19. Furthermore, Kennett states that it was this computer, not guns
or anything else, that was kept in the room which the ATF attempted to
enter the morning of the raid.

If this is so, then it explains why the ATF went ahead with the raid on
February 28, when they knew the bulk of the arsenal had been taken to
Austin for a gun show that morning.

Jeff Little was known by the Davidians to have been a "computer expert" who
had previously worked for the Yamaha Corporation, and had been involved in
a shady project to modify a law enforcement software to contain a "trap
door." At the time Day 51 was produced, this tidbit of information meant
nothing. However, in the years that have followed, new information has
emerged which gives it a great deal of meaning.

The Octopus: Secret Government and the Death of Danny Casalaro, by Kenn
Thomas and Jim Keith, is one of several books to emerge recently which
detail how the Reagan Justice Department stole PROMIS, a law enforcement
software, from the firm INSLAW, and modified it to contain a "trap door."
PROMIS was then sold by the government to various 

Re: [CTRL] Scientific Heresy

1999-09-03 Thread Ric Carter

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- Original Message -
From: Sean McDougal [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  Not that Kansas has banned Darwin; only that other views of
  human origins may be discussed in its schools, including so-
 called creationist theories. Aren't we all in favor of "diver-
 sity" in education? Not when it comes to the sacred doctrine
 of Darwinism! 

 The difference is that evolution can be observed quantitatively,
 thus making it science.  Creationism has only been observed to
 be of the highest improbability.  Science and religion are two
 different pursuits.  Do we insist that English literature be
 taught in mathematics classes?  After all, who is to say which
 is the RIGHT language?  Right?

Anti-evolutionism is a Chinese-sponsored plot to destroy US
science education and productivity.  Creationists are dupes
of a foreign power, pawns of Chinese agents, manipulated by
forces beyond their control.  Bother.

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Re: [CTRL] FW: Homeopathy

1999-09-03 Thread Ric Carter

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From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Homeopathy

Unfortunately, homeopathy doesn't "test-out", ie, it doesn't work.
Lots of marketing, lots of theory, no substance.  Bother.

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Re: [CTRL] U.S APEC Security Data Sent To Chicken Factory

1999-09-03 Thread Hilary A. Thomas

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Matt,  is there an article on this?  How did you find out about this?

Hilary

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 Subject: [CTRL] U.S APEC Security Data Sent To Chicken Factory
 Date: Friday, September 03, 1999 12:27 AM

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 Yes the boys at the Whitehouse have done it again, a small chicken
 processing plant in Auckland had its fax machine spitting out
confidential
 security details of communication equipment, routes to be travelled,
driver
 names  probably a lot more. It was all supposed to go to the APEC
Security
 Control Office, but it looks like a case of, sorry wrong number. The
chicken
 plant workers said they would have rather had an order for chicken than
 Clintons security arrangements,
 what a joke, anyone for a chicken nibble, just contact the Whitehouse,
they
 have the fax number,
 Matt.S

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Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Fw: CAUSupdate: A Major Event?]

1999-09-03 Thread Robert Tatman

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http://oigsysop.atsc.allied.com/scripts/foxweb.dll/syspage@app01?tdac=BMH0UKVCEKI177BJ49TI

Sixty Day Decay Forecast Report
1999/09/03 16:10:22 Session time remaining: 01:58:33

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60-Day Decay Forecast Report

 To:  OIG USERS

   From:  Goddard Space Flight Center
  Networks and Mission Services, Code 450
  Greenbelt, Maryland  20771

Subject:  Sixty Day Decay Forecast

   Date:  September 03, 1999

Effective September 02, 1999 the objects listed below are forecasted to
decay within the next 60 days on the date indicated:

International Catalog  Forecasted  RCS
DesignationName   Number   Decay Date  Value

1972-058AS DELTA 1 DEB07870September   03
1994-029KH PEGASUS DEB24206September   04
1999-012E  SOYUZ R/B(1)   25653September   04   12.06
1986-017NE MIR DEB25691September   05
1994-029GL PEGASUS DEB24137September   05
1977-065BA DELTA 1 DEB10223September   071.44
1994-029JJ PEGASUS DEB24183September   08
1993-068B  DELTA 2 R/B(1) 22878September   099.52
1977-065DN DELTA 1 DEB10339September   10
1994-029UQ PEGASUS DEB24491September   11
1989-100BH SL-14 DEB  25712September   14
1994-029AECPEGASUS DEB25447September   14
1994-029AEBPEGASUS DEB25446September   18
1986-019SZ ARIANE 1 DEB   18461September   23
1994-029FU PEGASUS DEB24121September   26
1999-019E  SOYUZ R/B(1)   25680September   28   18.30
1989-100BN SL-14 DEB  25717September   28
1994-029MK PEGASUS DEB24260September   28
1992-093C  SL-16 DEB  22288October 04
1994-029ACRPEGASUS DEB24983October 05
1998-069B  SAC A  25550October 050.00
1994-029LJ PEGASUS DEB24235October 08
1997-010A  ZEYA   24744October 100.00
1994-029HT PEGASUS DEB24168October 11
1997-057B  PSLV 1C R/B24972October 12   11.80
1987-068BF SL-14 DEB  25228October 20
1997-028E  SL-12 R/B(AUX MOTOR)   24832October 210.74
1993-011D  M-3S2 DEB  22534October 21
1994-029TB PEGASUS DEB24445October 22
1996-050A  MICROSAT   24291October 230.40
1994-029PA PEGASUS DEB24349October 28
1998-069C  MIGHTY SAT 1   25551October 290.80

The following are NASA spacecraft decaying within the time frame of this
report:

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[CTRL] Stray U.S. security faxes fly at NZ chicken plant

1999-09-03 Thread Hilary A. Thomas

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Stray U.S. security faxes fly at NZ chicken plant

Updated 10:34 PM ET September 2, 1999

WELLINGTON, Sept 3 (Reuters) - A chicken processing plant has been
bombarded with stray faxes from U.S. security officials preparing for a
visit to Auckland by President Bill Clinton, the New Zealand Herald
reported on Friday.

One fax detailed the installation of White House communications equipment
in the Auckland airport control tower ahead of the arrival Air Force One,
carrying Clinton to a summit of Asia Pacific leaders on September 12 and
13.

"One of them had the name of a military officer with his code name and
security number," plant owner Saji Philips told the Herald.

"For us it doesn't really matter, but if this fell into the wrong hands,
who knows what could happen. It's really quite frightening," Philips said.


He said that several weeks ago he had asked the U.S. support office for the
Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit to stop the faxes but they kept
coming.

A spokesman for the support office declined on Friday to comment on the
report, but a U.S. embassy official told Reuters: "We are looking into the
situation..."

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Re: [CTRL] [[SC] Skeptic News - Thursday #4]

1999-09-03 Thread Ric Carter

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  Dihydrogen Monoxide Research Division: access to Dihydrogen
  Monoxide [DHMO] information, from current facts  research
  results to contamination alerts and dangerous uses of DHMO.
  http://www.dhmo.org/
 : Have you ever been exposed to DHMO? Have you suffered ill-
   effects? Should/can DHMO be subject to tighter federal
   regulation? Have you protested? How?

 Let's get something straight here: in *very small amounts*, DHMO
 is essential to life itself. However, higher levels of the sub-
 stance are extremely harmful or even fatal to most terrestrial
 lifeforms. In addition, admixture of DHMO with other substances,
 such as various of the alcohols, can alter its effect substantial-
 ly, rendering it toxic in even smaller amounts than are normally
 tolerated. It is on the basis of this latter finding that stringent
 regulations for the production and distribution of DHMO have been
 put in place at the Federal, state, and local level.

The anti-DHMO forces have successfully demagogued Congress and the
public into believing their smear of DHMO, but I can personally
testify that I've use DHMO all my life, sometimes in great amounts,
and it hasn't harmed me at all.  gulp  There, I just drank a pint
of it, and I feel GREAT!!  Later today it'll get hot here, and I'll
immerse myself in it again, and I'll feel GREAT!!  The anti-DHMO
conspiracy is Chinese-controlled and insidious.  Don't be a dupe.

  Ric "taking another big slug of DHMO - but I can quit any time" Carter

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[CTRL] Fwd: Yeltsin Discusses Banking Scandal

1999-09-03 Thread Carl Amedio

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 Subj:Yeltsin Discusses Banking Scandal
 Date:  9/3/99 7:42:59 AM Central Daylight Time
 From:  AOL News
 BCC:   Ahab42

 Yeltsin Discusses Banking Scandal

 .c The Associated Press

  By GREG MYRE

 MOSCOW (AP) - President Boris Yeltsin, who has remained silent on an alleged
money laundering scandal linked to Russia, summoned a top security officer to
the Kremlin today for private talks on the controversy.

 Yeltsin makes only occasional public remarks these days, and has left
Kremlin aides to respond to several corruption scandals swirling around his
administration.

 In the most serious case, U.S. investigators are trying to determine whether
Russian criminal groups laundered up to $10 billion through the Bank of New
York. No one has been charged with a crime, and the Russian government has
not been accused of any wrongdoing.

 Still, Russian officials believe the country's reputation is being harmed,
and the Federal Security Service is investigating the extent of Russian
involvement.

 The head of the security service, Nikolai Patrushev, met Yeltsin in the
Kremlin, and told the president that the Bank of New York scandal was tied to
U.S. politics.

 ``I reported to the president that the case is political ... and linked to
the elections in the United States,'' Patrushev said. ``Of course, it's
absurd to talk about such a sum'' being diverted illegally.

 Russian and U.S. authorities have held several meetings on the case,
Patrushev noted, but said the FBI hasn't provided the Russians with any leads
for them to pursue.

 ``If they have some specific evidence, we will carefully consider that,'' he
said. ``As of today, they haven't provided us with any such materials.''

 U.S. newspapers have reported that the Russian government may have diverted
loan money from the International Monetary Fund, but the IMF and the U.S.
government say they have no evidence of this.

 The U.S. government - the IMF's largest member - said it won't decide
whether to approve new loans until a full accounting is made of the IMF money
Russia has already received.

 The IMF was expected to release a $640 million installment of a $4.5 billion
loan package this month. An IMF mission is currently in Moscow to review
Russia's compliance with conditions for the package.

 Meanwhile, Russia's Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov said the country ``does not
intend to defend itself in the wake of media publications.''

 ``We have no reason to explain ourselves. As for Russia's good name, it has
one,'' Ivanov told the Interfax news agency while on a trip to Armenia.

 The Russian press has denounced the Western reports in the Bank of New York
case, calling it an anti-Russian witch hunt and a return to the Cold War.

 The reaction reflects the recent decline in relations between the United
States and Russia. The two nations clashed over the Kosovo conflict and
Moscow is increasingly nationalistic, a stance welcomed by many Russians
nostalgic for the days of Soviet superpower status.

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Yeltsin Discusses Banking Scandal

.c The Associated Press

 By GREG MYRE

MOSCOW (AP) - President Boris Yeltsin, who has remained silent on an alleged money 
laundering scandal linked to Russia, summoned a top security officer to the Kremlin 
today for private talks on the controversy.

Yeltsin makes only occasional public remarks these days, and has left Kremlin aides to 
respond to several corruption scandals swirling around his administration.

In the most serious case, U.S. investigators are trying to determine whether Russian 
criminal groups laundered up to $10 billion through the Bank of New York. No one has 
been charged with a crime, and the Russian government has not been accused of any 
wrongdoing.

Still, Russian officials believe the country's reputation is being harmed, and the 
Federal Security Service is investigating the extent of Russian involvement.

The head of the security service, Nikolai Patrushev, met Yeltsin in the Kremlin, and 
told the president that the Bank of New York scandal was tied to U.S. politics.

``I reported to the president that the case is political ... and linked to the 
elections in the United States,'' Patrushev said. ``Of course, it's absurd to talk 
about such a 

[CTRL] Fw: Trend Virus Report

1999-09-03 Thread CobolMage

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*
   V I R U S  R E P O R T

  (by the Trend US Virus Research Group)
*
-
Date: 08.31.99  Issue: 8.6
-
Issue Preview: TOADIE (Variant 6810, 6585, 7800.A, and 7800.B)
   10 Most Prevalent In-The-Wild Viruses Surveyed by Trend US,
Top 10 Viruses Trend US Customers are Concerned About, W97M_OZWER

*

1. Beware Pegasus Mail Users - here comes TOADIE!
-
TOADIE is a new virus family, which spreads itself by attaching infected
files to outgoing email messages. While several other viruses do this,
including the infamous W97M_MELISSA virus, the TOADIE virus family is the
first one to use Pegasus Mail. All previous viruses used Microsoft Outlook
to spread via email. Besides spreading via email, TOADIE.6810, 7800.A and
7800.B also spread as a worm through Internet Relay Chat (IRC). While TOADIE
does not contain any harmful payload, we advise all customers to upgrade to
the latest Trend pattern file, which detects all four known variants of
TOADIE.

To read more about the TOADIE virus family, please visit our website at:
http://www.antivirus.com/vinfo/security/sa082799.htm


2. 10 Most Prevalent In-The-Wild Viruses Surveyed by Trend US
   (week of: 08/23/99 to 08/29/99)
-
1.  TROJ_SKA
2.  JOKE_FLIPPED
3.  JOKE_DOH
4.  JOKE_GESCHENK
5.  JOKE_WOW
6.  TROJ_DMSETUP.D
7.  W97M_ETHAN.A
8.  PE_CIH
9.  W97M_MARKER
10. W97M_MELISSA

For the most prevalent viruses for the month of July'99, please visit our
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 (where systems were not infected)
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2.  W97M_NOHOPE
3.  JOKE_FLIPPED
4.  PE_KRIZ.3740
5.  TROJ_SKA
6.  JOKE_GESCHENK
7.  California/Wobbler Hoax
8.  W97M_GROOV.B
9.  Win a holiday Hoax
10. Join the Crew Hoax


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[CTRL] Fw: What's New for Aug 27, 1999

1999-09-03 Thread CobolMage

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WHAT'S NEW   Robert L. Park   Friday, 27 Aug 99   Washington, DC

1. DEVOLUTION: WILL NO ONE STAND UP FOR DARWIN?  True vertebrate
fossils first appear in the Middle Ordovician some 500 million
years ago.  It's not clear just when the spine began to disappear
among presidential wannabes, but little trace seems to remain.
Last week, when WN asked Gore's campaign office for his reaction
to the Kansas School Board action, his spokesperson dodged behind
local control (WN 20 Aug 99).  This week, Reuters posed the same
question: "The Vice President favors the teaching of evolution in
public schools," a spokesperson replied.  He should have stopped
there.  "Obviously that decision should and will be made at the
local level, and localities should be free to teach creationism
as well."  Gasp!  The Supreme Court ruled that unconstitutional
in 1987.  Informed of that, the spokesperson called Reuters
several hours later with a clarification, "The Vice President
supports the right of school boards to teach creationism within
the context of religious courses and not science courses."

2. SPY HYSTERIA: THE CASE AGAINST WEN HO LEE APPEARS TO COLLAPSE.
On Monday, Notra Trulock, who triggered the investigation into
suspected Chinese espionage, resigned amid charges that ethnicity
led to his singling out of Lee.  It has been clear for weeks that
there was insufficient evidence to charge Lee with espionage, now
it seems unlikely that he will be charged even with mishandling
classified information, particularly since the government has
decided not to prosecute former CIA director John Deutch for
similar violations.  Meanwhile, the Society of Professional
Scientists and Engineers, a 26-year old employee organization at
Lawrence Livermore, has called for reexamination of the decision
to impose widespread polygraph testing http://www.spse.org.

3. BUDGET: ACADEMIC PORK GOES UP AS SCIENCE BUDGET GOES DOWN.
What is going on in the House of Representatives?  As former APS
President D. Allan Bromley pointed out in a Washington Post op-ed
on Thursday, House appropriators have slashed NASA science $678M;
science at DOE is cut by $116M; and the NSF budget is $275M below
the president's request.  As if that weren't enough, a front page
story in the New York Times on Tuesday, picking up on a WN story
(WN 6 Aug 99), points out that a lot of what remains is earmarked
for projects in the home districts of the appropriators without
benefit of proposal submission or peer review.

4. CHANDRA: X-RAY TELESCOPE SENDS BACK ITS FIRST IMAGES!  Amidst
all the gloomy news of budget cuts and human foolishness, NASA
released the glorious first image from Chandra.  The picture of
Cassiopeia A supernova remnants may show not only that Chandra
works, but also the long-sought compact mass at the center.  As a
measure of confidence, Chandra is in a highly elliptical orbit to
avoid radiation from the magnetosphere and cannot be serviced.
Chandra images are posted at http://www.chandra.nasa.gov.

THE AMERICAN PHYSICAL SOCIETY (Note: Opinions are the author's
and are not necessarily shared by the APS, but they should be.)

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[CTRL] (Fwd) [PGP]: Re: NSA key in MSFT Crypto API

1999-09-03 Thread K
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Well I have written a considerable amount on the untrustworthiness of
Microsoft, mostly this was based on their incompetence when it came to
data security. Now we have evidence that they are in bed with the NSA
and likely the FBI also.

It's very simple folks, if you don't have the source code you can't
trust the software. It is unfortunate that NAI has chosen to make use
of crypto modules in their products that have not been peer reviewed
(CAPI  BSAFE) and in the case of CAPI, one that seems to be
compromised.

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Andrew Fernandes tonight published the results of his reverse
engineering of Microsoft's Crypto API (CAPI). [This builds on work
done by Nicko van Someren from nCipher].

Background: MSFT CAPI comes pre-installed with two keys used to check
the validity of a Cryptographic Service Provider (CSP). The holder of
either key can install operating system security services without user
authorization. The first key is used by MSFT to sign their own
security services modules. The identity of the second key holder until
now been unknown. That is to say until MSFT forgot to strip the binary
of NT4 SP5 off debugging symbols.

Perhaps not surprisingly, the debugging symbol for the second key
is... _NSAKEY,

For more information and a program to remove the NSA's key from your
copy of Windows 95, 98, NT, 2000, see
http://www.cryptonym.com/hottopics/msft-nsa.html

Note that Windows 2000 includes not just two keys, but three keys that
can sign modules that will control security services on your copy of
Windows.

Word has it that the third key belongs to the FBI. So far, there has
been no independent confirmation of this rumor.

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Re: [CTRL] Scientific Heresy

1999-09-03 Thread Bob Stokes

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In a message dated 99-09-03 12:00:39 EDT, Ric Carter writes:

 Anti-evolutionism is a Chinese-sponsored plot to destroy US
 science education and productivity.  Creationists are dupes
 of a foreign power, pawns of Chinese agents, manipulated by
 forces beyond their control.  Bother.  

 You have mentioned this "Chinese Connection" before, but have, so far,
offered no supporting material or factors that connect China with
creationists.  Red China is anti-Christian/Moslem/Buddist/religion if
anything, Communism wants only one religion, that of the State as with any
Statist form of government.  Science does not work on Darwinism alone.
Pro-Evolutionists are knowwn for their humor (hoaxes) ... Is this a troll?

Regards,
Bob Stokes

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Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Thursday #4

1999-09-03 Thread Ric Carter

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- Original Message -
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  World Biographical Index: online index of over 2 million short
 biographies for people who lived in North  South America, Western 
 Central Europe, Australia, Oceania, and New Zealand. You can search
 by name, occupation, year of birth, year of death, and year cited.
 You can also specify specific archives to search.

 I'm not in it. I don't know whether to feel insulted or relieved.

Post a Third Voice note with whatever details you wish to release, eh?

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[CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #1

1999-09-03 Thread ric carter

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SkeptiNews 990903a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
: Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning.
: No old paradigms were shattered during the production of this bulletin.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# ONLINE SHOPPERS BID MILLIONS FOR HUMAN KIDNEY. (CNN) Online shoppers who
  frequent the Internet auction site eBay are used to seeing a wide variety
  of things for sale. On a given day, anything from a grandfather clock to
  40 acres of Wyoming ranch land can be found among the thousands of items
  up for bidding. Still, the notice of a "fully functional kidney" put up
  on the site last week created a stir. It also brought in bids of more than
  $5.7 million before the company intervened to block the sale. Trafficking
  in human organs is a federal felony. 'EBay has zero tolerance for illegal
  items': http://cnn.com/TECH/computing/9909/03/ebay.kidney/index.html

: How much would you bid on a kidney, lung, pancreas, heart, brain, eye? Do
you have any extra organs for sale? Is your lab-grown replacement better??
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Soon: Insects In Space? SANTA LUCIA OCOTLAN, Mexico (Reuters) Families in
  southern Mexico scour the fields in search of things that crawl, hop, fly
  and generally make for a crispy treat. Grasshoppers, ant and fly larvae,
  worms  assorted other bugs have been a staple for thousands of years and
  remain an important food source for poor Mexicans. After making the leap
  from field to kitchen, the insects' next step could be onto the plates of
  astronauts. http://news.excite.com/news/r/990902/10/science-mexico-insects

: What's your tastiest arthropod treat? Do you like'em with legs? How many?
Would you rather eat arthropods, aliens, crops, humans, synthetics, robots?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ THE MOST LIKELY LOCATION OF ALIEN LIFE? SETI and others looking for extra
  terrestrial life should look to galaxy NGC 4555, in the constellation Coma
  and the Zodiacal sign Virgo. What we call alien life exists in intelligent
  abundance on 4555, and it is from there that the light beings who direct
  the fortunes or future of earthlings originate. You who are reading this
  also originated from 4555. These are not aliens at all, but neighbors who
  share with us this magnificent universe. Indeed they are far advanced,
  having discovered their light bulb 25,000 years ago, while we discovered
  ours only 100 years ago. http://hiddenmeanings.com/strange.html#LIKELY

: Are you from NGC 4555? Is it overcrowded there? Are you here for our own
good? Do you have tax-exempt status? Do you make crop circles? Is that fun?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Early Mammals Lived Alongside Dinosaurs. LONDON(Reuters) Tiny teeth from a
  prehistoric animal found in a jawbone in Madagascar are proof that mammals
  and dinosaurs roamed the Earth together more than 100 million years ago.
  Until now scientists suspected mammals arose after dinosaurs went extinct.
  But the new finding shows that mammals lived much earlier than previously
  thought. http://news.excite.com/news/r/990902/03/science-science-teeth

# Hominid fossils found in Eritrea. TORONTO (UPI) Paleontologists have found
  well-preserved hominid fossils along with stone tools estimated to be more
  than 1 million years old in Eritrea. The team also found well-preserved
  fossils of elephants, hippos, horses and crocodiles from the same period,
  showing that Eritrea was a much wetter place in the middle Pleistocene era
  than now. http://news.excite.com/news/u/990901/22/tech-science-hominids

: How far can you trace your ancestry on Earth? Are you from elsewhere? How
did you get here? Have you consorted with dinosaurs? Do they stink? Do you?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Calif. minister sentenced for fraud. NEW YORK (AP)  A California clergyman
  who used scripture on the goodness of profit to take followers for $1.4
  million in a pyramid scheme was sentenced to nearly four years in prison.
  Charles Groeschel, who ran the Association of Individual Ministries under
  the name Pastor Chuck, pleaded guilty to mail and wire fraud. The flake
  ran pyramid scheme based in Palm Desert, Calif. in which he told followers
  they could make millions of dollars in a year. Bend over, Pastor Chuck -
  see http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560985940-db1

: Who/what's your favorite religious fraud? Are all religions fraudulent? Do
you defraud suckers, er believers only for the holiest reasons? Is you rich?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ WHO WAS "REVEREND" PRANAITIS AND WHAT DID HE DO? The Rev. I.B. Pranaitis
  was a turn-of-the-century Russian anti-Semite, "Master of Theology and
  Professor of the Hebrew Language at the Imperial Ecclesiastical Academy of
  the Roman Catholic Church" in St.Petersburg,Russia. He also had a criminal
  record. In 1892, with the support of his Archbishop, he published an anti-
  Semitic 

[CTRL] OEN 9/3/99

1999-09-03 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
http://www.aci.net/kalliste/
A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe/A
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Today's Lesson From The Tatum Chronicles

by D.G. "Chip" Tatum


We flew into several villages on the Nicaragua/Honduras border to recon
for a later mission. I recorded actual village locations for cargo drops
by CH-47's scheduled later in April. Three of the villages were Rus Rus,
Waspam and Santa Anna.

Mr. [Oliver] North was pleased with the operations. He stated that Vice
President Bush appreciated the extra effort I was giving. General
Alverez told Mr. North of my ability to sneak into his airfield under
their radar. He asked North if I could instruct some of his security
team and pilots for future use. North declined stating that I was a
national secret, laughing. We landed at Santa Anna and met with Enrique
Bermudez and other Contra leaders. We were then taken to a processing
area of some sort. As we approached, there was a strong smell of jet
fuel and acetone. There were several tactical bladders, used for
carrying fuels, sitting around the area. Six large fuel pods were on the
ground but had the tops torched off. Inside there was fuel and ground-up
coca leaves.

Mr. North stated the following to the other passengers, "One more year
of this and we'll all retire." He then made a remark concerning Barry
Seal and Governor Clinton. "If we can keep those Arkansas hicks in line,
that is," referring to the loss of monies as determined the week prior
during their meeting in Costa Rica. I stood silently by the vat of
leaves, listening to the conversation. General Alverez had gone with the
Contra leader to discuss logistics. The other three - North, Rodriguez,
and Ami Nir - continued through the wooden building, inspecting the
cocaine. North continued, "...but he (Vice President Bush) is very
concerned about those missing monies. I think he's going to have Jeb
(Bush) arrange something out of Columbia," he told his comrades, not t
hinking twice of my presence. What Mr. North was referring to ended up
being the assassination of Barry Seal by members of the Medellin Cartel
in early 1986.

"How about 'Pineapple'?" Rodriguez asked. (Speaking of General Noriega.)


"Naw," North answered, "something's up there." Bush later insured
Noriega was indicted and imprisoned for drug trafficking.

I recalled the mysterious army officers remarks in Ojo de Agua, "Tell no
one. There's no one big enough in your chain of command." I just heard
North tell Rodriguez that the Vice President, the Governor of Arkansas
and the three of them are manufacturing cocaine. I flew them back to La
Cieba and I continued back to Tela in time for drinks downtown with my
crew and friends. We returned the following day to Palmerola. I went to
Ops and put a few notes on the back of the flight plan.
=

Year 2000

Companies Scramble for Y2K Cash

Borrow, borrow, borrow, before the end

WASHINGTON - Major corporations, some foreign countries and even the
U.S. Treasury have begun to raise enormous amounts of cash just in case
something goes wrong somewhere as computer calendars flip over to 2000
from 1999 on Jan. 1.
These preparations already are increasing U.S. interest rates across the
board, analysts said.

The borrowers say they are rushing to sell many billions of dollars of
debt now, not because they fear a computer-glitch catastrophe but
because they fear that investors will worry such a catastrophe might
occur and therefore will not buy securities sold near the end of the
year.

There is no panic in the market, as there was a year ago after the
Russian government defaulted on part of its debt. Instead, the markets
are functioning well, but with some participants acting as if they
expect a panic later.

This flood of debt is lifting the interest rates the issuers have to pay
to attract buyers. That, in turn, raises rates on many other types of
business and consumer loans. Meanwhile, many lenders and investors are
pulling their money out of developing-country markets, where significant
year-end computer problems are considered much more likely.

''When it comes to raising money in the capital markets, it's prudent to
avoid the last few weeks of this year and the first few weeks of next
year,'' said Thomas Capo, senior vice president and treasurer of
automaker DaimlerChrylser AG, which raised $4.5 billion through a bond
issue last month. ''Why take what is probably a very small amount of
risk?''

''Corporations are striving to raise cash so they don't have to rely on
financial markets late in the year,'' said Mickey Levy, chief economist
at Bank of America in New York. ''It is across the spectrum'' in terms
of different types of securities and creditworthiness of the borrowers.

For example, GE Capital Corp., the financial services unit of General
Electric Co., said it had arranged special credit lines with its bankers
similar to a special 

[CTRL] Chiefs of Police and Sheriffs Survey

1999-09-03 Thread Bob Stokes

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Results of the 12th annual survey of Chiefs of Police and Sheriffs: The
following survey questions were posed in the last 60 days by mail of 16,000
Chiefs of Police and Sheriffs that was recently completed. It represents a
cross section of professional officers involving every state with a 10%
response. The survey was conducted for the 12th consecutive year by the
National Association of Chiefs of Police. Washington, D.C., (202)293-9088.
Has some interesting results on the firearm questions. The survey covers a
lot of other questions as well -- check the response to question #29 about a
UN police force.

Pikes Peak Firearms Coalition





Sheriff and Police Chief Survey Results






Death Penalty

1. Do you believe the death penalty serves as a deterrent to certain types of
crimes?

Yes 90.8% ... No 08.9%

2. Do you believe that when a law enforcement officer is feloniously killed
in the line of duty that the penalty upon conviction should be death?

Yes 97.6% ... No 01.7%

Firearms

3. Do you believe any law-abiding citizen should be able to purchase a
firearm for sport or self-defense?

Yes 92.7% ... No 06.8%

4. Within the past year, has your agency been called upon to arrest anyone
who has made a false statement on an application to purchase a firearm?

Yes 06.2% ... No 93.3%

5. Do you believe anyone (such as a convicted felon) in violation of state or
federal firearm possession laws should be prosecuted by the U.S. Attorney
and, if convicted, receive a maximum prison term?

Yes 87.7% ... No 11.2%

6. Do you believe law-abiding citizens should be limited to purchase of no
more than one firearm per month?

Yes 32.7% ... No 65.8%

7. Do you believe local "gun shows" are a major source for sales of illegal
firearms to criminals?

Yes 40.7% ... No 55.8%

8. Do you believe criminals currently are able to obtain virtually any type
of firearm by illegal means?

Yes 97.9% ... No 01.8%

9. Do you believe any sworn peace officer or retired officer should be
permitted to carry a firearm from state to state?

Yes 93.6% ... No 05.8%

Ethics

10. Do you believe the ethical standards of your department are upheld at a
higher level than those by elected officials in our nation's capital?

Yes 93.8% ... No 04.8%

11. Would off-duty, private sexual misconduct of an officer in your
department result in dismissal or penalty of any type?

Yes 78.1% ... No 15.7%

Media

12. Do you believe the media (TV, radio and print) are fair and impartial in
reporting the news?

Yes 08.4% ... No 90.6%

13. Does your agency have one officer assigned to handle media requests?

Yes 56.3% ... No 42.9%

Terrorism/Sabotage

14. Has your agency been offered training in connection with the U.S.
Department of Justice "first responder" program to combat weapons of mass
destruction, biological warfare, etc.?

Yes 28.6% ... No 70.6%

15. Has your agency received special equipment to protect officers from such
hazards?

Yes 07.1% ... No 92.4%

16. Do you believe the coming year will bring foreign or domestic terrorist
attacks that

threaten the public trust in our role as guardians of law and order?

Yes 77.7% ... No 18.7%

Technology/Equipment

17. Do you believe arrestees should be required to provide DNA samples, in a
manner similar to current practices of fingerprinting?

Yes 79.9% ... No 18.0%

18. Were funds available, would you like to have videocameras available in
all police vehicles, holding cells, interrogation areas and anywhere public
may be in contact with officers?

Yes 94.9% ... No 04.9%

19. Were funds available, would you like a device that can emit a magnetic
ray to shut down the engine of a speeding car?

Yes 90.6% ... NO 08.5%

20. Were funds available, would you like a firearm that uses a microchip to
ensure only the officer can fire it, preventing a suspect from shooting it in
a struggle with the officer?

Yes 84.0% ... No 14.6%

21. Does your department require each officer to wear a bullet-resistant
jacket on duty?

Yes 59.5% ... No 40.2%

22. Does your department use CS or CN teargas as an option to force?

Yes 71.5% ... No 28.1%

Drugs

23. Do you believe that marijuana should continue to be illegal for personal
use?

Yes 90.1% ... No 09.2%

24. Do you believe a "zero tolerance" program testing prisoners and parolees
for drug use will reduce drug use among those people?

Yes 69.1% ... No 30.3%

25. Do you believe the national war on drugs that has been going on for more
than 15 years has been successful in reducing the use of illegal drugs?

Yes 21.6% ... No 77.7%

26. Do you believe abuse of illegal drugs has had a serious impact upon crime
in your community?

Yes 88.8% ... No 10.8%

Other

27. If free brochures about "dos and don'ts" regarding driver actions
following a traffic accident were provided to your agency, would you consider
disseminating them to 

[CTRL] ATF agents Shooting with David Koresh 9 days before raid . . .

1999-09-03 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
http://www.indirect.com/www/dhardy/DK_Shooting.html
A HREF="http://www.indirect.com/www/dhardy/DK_Shooting.html"Shooting with
David Koresh/A
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ATF's official position is, of course, that David Koresh and the
Davidians were a bunch of reclusive, paranoid cop-killers who would not
approached by law enforcement save with overwhelming force and, when so
approached, deliberately planned an ambush and mass murder.

ATF had stationed several undercover agents, including Robert Rodriguez,
across the road from the Davidian residence, in what became known as the
"undercover house." The Davidians did not take long to figure out these
were undercover agents. When David Koresh called 911 in the middle of
the February 28 gunfight, at a point when he had no source of knowledge
save what he'de known before the raid, he casually told the Sheriff's
dispatcher that he had invited "Robert, you know, the guy you--your
agent" to talk with him. (Click here for the audio).

Fact: Koresh was understating the matter. On February 19, nine days
before the bloody raid, the ATF agents went over and asked David Koresh
to go shooting. He agreed. In fact, he provided the ammunition. And the
agents handed him their guns. Don't take my word for it. Here's the
agents' report.

pix

Now, I don't want to be cynical. I'm sure there is some reason why
undercover agents investigating a fellow they think is a murderous
fanatic would go to his house, invite him to go shooting, and hand him
their guns. And there must be a reason why, if he really was a
cop-killer, he would shoot their guns, hand them back and wave good-bye.
Not to mention pay for their ammunition, knowing they were police. I
just can't think of these reasons at the moment.
-
Aloha, He'Ping,
Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
Omnia Bona Bonis,
All My Relations.
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
Roads End
Kris

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[CTRL] When GPS meets cell phones

1999-09-03 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
http://www.msnbc.com/news/306775.asp
A HREF="http://www.msnbc.com/news/306775.asp"When GPS meets cell phones/A
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When GPS meets cell phonesPolice will know exactly where those 911 calls
are made,
and a host of other fun services will followBy Bob Sullivan
MSNBC
Sept. 1 — Shalene Wilson was in big trouble. Two men had overpowered
her, stabbed her, thrown her in a car trunk and driven away. But in a
stroke of what might seem like amazing luck, they did not realize she
had a mobile phone. She called local police in Albany, Ore., begging for
help — but they were helpless. In this case, 911 proved just about
useless: The police had no idea where Wilson was calling from, and
neither did she. They spent the better part of the next 24 hours
searching in vain, combing the town block by block while precious time
ticked away. A new technology which would have told police precisely
where Wilson was hadn’t arrived in time to help.
=
Like car navigation systems, it could offer directions, even to walkers.
It could point out nearby restaurants, even offer up coupons for pizza
places down the block. But that’s just the beginning.
PLACE A 911 CALL from a land line, and authorities know exactly
where the call came from. But place an emergency call from a cell phone,
and wireless carriers can give police only the roughest idea where to
look. In Wilson’s case, Sprint was able to identify the cell tower that
relayed her first call at 9:20 p.m Aug. 4. That gave police a circle to
search that had a radius of one mile, according to Albany public
information officer Marilyn Smith. But Wilson said she was in a moving
car — so police within a 75-mile radius were alerted.
The police chief came in during the middle of the night. Officers
worked overtime looking for Wilson. Sprint technicians worked through
the night. Local TV stations broadcast the unfolding drama.
“We kept running into dead ends,” assistant chief of police Don
O’Malley said.

 When ‘911’ is just three more digits
As the night wore on, and Wilson kept calling, authorities became
suspicious. Seven calls and 15 hours later, Wilson’s drama was declared
a hoax. No cell phone — and certainly not her older model, as determined
by Sprint — could last that long without a recharge. And despite her
claims she was on the move, all the cell calls were routed from that
original tower. Bell Labs' Giovanni Vannucci describes how GPS works.
The woman identifying herself as Wilson was never found — though she
did break an Oregon law prohibiting illegal use of 911, and she did send
authorities on a wild goose chase.
Experts say similar, if less dramatic, searches are carried out
daily. Perhaps 100,000 people a day dial 911 from a wireless phone, with
that number on the rise, and 30 percent are unable to tell authorities
where they’re calling from.
But such confusion will end when a new technology called wireless
geolocation is in place. By marrying a Global Positioning System (GPS)
device with a wireless phone, authorities will be able to pinpoint
within about five meters where a wireless phone is when it’s turned on.
It’s a bit of a shotgun wedding. The Federal Communications
Commission has mandated that cell companies have such pinpoint accuracy
by October 2001. So a fleet of software and chip makers, including
Lucent Technologies Inc., are lining up to perform the ceremony. In the
meantime, wireless firms are discovering that a cell phone with GPS
attached can do a lot more than just dial 911.
Like car navigation systems, it could offer directions, even to
walkers. It could point out nearby restaurants, even offer up coupons
for pizza places down the block. But that’s just the beginning.
Researchers at Lucent’s Bell Labs foresee location units being handed to
children so parents always know where they are — or criminals, under
house arrest, for similar reasons. It could even be used to recover
stolen cars or laptop computers.
Steve Poizner, CEO of Snap-Track, which also makes the GPS-wireless
technology, said one of the more whimsical applications of such a
service might involve a family-and-friends circle.
“Imagine you walk into a shopping center — this could tell you which
of your friends are nearby and where they are,” he said.
Poizner’s company has been at it since 1995, and he says he’ll be
selling the product commercially in Japan through NTT’s Dokomo before
the year is out. U.S. sales are expected to start next year. That’s just
the first salvo in the coming battle to offer these wild personal
location services. Battle lines are already being drawn: Snap-Track also
has agreements with Motorola and Texas Instruments Inc. Lucent has a
deal with Qualcomm Inc. And another player in the space, SiRF Technology
Inc., has a deal with Ericsson.

HOW IT WORKS
Merely slapping a GPS receiver on the back of a cell phone wouldn’t
do the trick, for several reasons. Chief among them — it would double
the 

[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] the truth will set you free.

1999-09-03 Thread Kris Millegan





From: Daniel Hopsicker [EMAIL PROTECTED]

There is small satisfaction in being able to say
'i told you so;' nevertheless it gives me no joy to
report that Terry Reed called me last evening,
and confirmed what i had strongly suspected:
he was NOT present at the DEA sting of George W. Bush Jr(Dubya)
that took place at Tamiani Airport in Miami in 1985.

Based on his record as a true and genuine American hero,
I'm inclined to give Terry a 'pass' on this, and attribute it
to his desire to see the truth about Bush come out. He also
stated that he had devoted an entire chapter on this incident
in Compromised which was cut out by his publisher, and that this
incident will be a focus of the movie he is working on.

Mike Ruppert cannot be faulted for going with this,
especially as he has broadened his quest for sources in his
latest newsletter. I've been equally guilty of letting what is
our mutual eagerness to expose this issue lead me on
a step farther than current evidence warrants.
A year ago I reported that Ken Starr had actually
authored the deal memo allowing the CIA to 'turn a blind eye'
on drug smuggling, instead of merely being there at the time,
and in the office, where it was written. This remains unproven.

What seems clear at this time is that there IS a true and verifiable
story to be gotten here; the question is, will we be able to get it?

On that count, I admit to having doubts. The one person I am aware
of who WAS there, and who can be easily reached today, is as
dirty as they come, a man whom one high law enforcement source
accused--in my presence--of multiple murders. This man is,
not coincidentally, a 'friend' of Bill Bottoms.

But I will be working with Ruppert and Reed and anyone else
who thinks they can help find those tapes. If they didn't
exist, Barry Seal would likely still be around.

--
Daniel Hopsicker
The Drug Money Times
http://www.MadCowProd.com
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Re: [CTRL] Waco, Vince Foster, and the Secret War 1/2

1999-09-03 Thread Mack White

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Waco, Vince Foster, and the Secret War 1/2
Copyright 1999 Mack White

An after-thought:  Recently, Rumor Mill News reported that the past few
weeks' revelations with regard to Waco (evidence of the FBI's firing of
incendiary devices, involvement of Delta Force, etc.) in the mainstream
media were the result of factional fighting at the highest levels of power.
According to this theory, the Bush family has been moving away from the New
World Order faction. Allegations with regard to Gov. George W. Bush's
cocaine usage are supposedly pressure tactics to bring the Bush family back
into the New World Order fold. However, Bush's counter-move has been to
reveal information on Waco, which would be damaging to the Clinton/New
World Order faction. This is an interesting possiblity, which, if true,
would seem to corroborate the theory in my article that Waco represented
the surface eruption of a covert civil war. It will be interesting to see
what develops in the weeks ahead.

Mack White

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[CTRL] PARENTS! Remove your child from public schools-Don't re-enroll in Fall.

1999-09-03 Thread Bard

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Folks, Don't have your Children accuse you of not providing them with the
best Education available.
Our public schools breed violence, crime, and sexual dysfunction.
Do what is best for your child and start the process of finding out about
HomeSchooling
by checking out some of these Sites:
(have you checked with your child to see if the public school is doping your
child
and/or forcing them to attend classes wherein alternative lifestyles are
taught
without your consent?)
Do you feel you can't afford HomeSchooling?
Get busy and search for a Site which will answer your concern.

Provable Accusations against American Public Schools
http://www.riverpup.com/brainwash/school2.html

GO TO:
http://www.altavista.com/cgi-bin/query?pg=qkl=XXq=homeschoolingsearch=Sea
rch
for Links to Homeschooling.

More Links to Homeschooling:
http://search.yahoo.com/bin/search?p=homeschooling

HomeSchool Association of California
http://www.hsc.org/home.html

"..both the NEA and the AFT promote policies that protect the jobs of
incompetent or poor teachers at the expense of those who would improve the
system."
http://www.bretschundler.com/neapublicenemy.html


-Original Message-
From: Andre Traversa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 11:22 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [conservative] "Gay [homosexual] Awareness Film Sparks
Debate" [1stGraders]


From: Andre Traversa [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Rhianwen,
Many people in america are doing precisely that. Home-schooling has grown
by leaps and bounds. To answer your question, I don't know how common this
kind of endorement is in public schools here, since I don't think there
are available stats on what goes on in every classroom, there's so mch
that goes unreported, so much that parents don't know. Man parents don't
even know what cirricula are being used in their classrooms, but this is
gtheir own fault, and they should take the tme to find out.
Andre

On Thu, 2 Sep 1999, [iso-8859-1] Rhianwen wrote:

 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rhianwen?= [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 As you guys may know, I don't live in the US, so I am
 a little concerned. Is this endorsement of homosexual
 ideals very common in schools there? 3rd grade seems a
 little young to be talking about that sort of thing :(

 If this happened here, I would home school.

 Rhianwen
 ===
From: "Bard" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Gay Awareness Film Sparks Debate
By Martha Irvine
Associated Press Writer
Tuesday, August 31, 1999; 12:30 p.m. EDT

CHICAGO (AP) -- Third-graders in New York are seen debating the idea of gay
marriage. Eighth-graders in San Francisco are heard firing questions at a
gay man and a lesbian who visit their classroom.

Storytime for first- and second-graders at a school in Cambridge, Mass., is
shown to include the book ``Asha's Mums'' about a little girl who has two
lesbian mothers.

All are excerpts from a controversial documentary, ``It's Elementary:
Talking About Gay Issues in School,'' which first caused a stir when several
public television stations decided to air it this summer.

Now it's being used by many school districts nationwide as a training tool
for teachers -- unifying what some say is a growing move to incorporate gay
and lesbian issues into school curriculums.

Critics say talk about such issues belongs at home. But others argue it's a
matter of dealing with issues that students already see every day in
newspapers, on television, in movies -- and maybe even in their own
communities or classrooms.

``Both schools and families have to address the issue somehow because it's
there -- and it's not going back into the closet,'' said Tony D'Augelli, a
psychologist at Penn State's College of Health and Human Development.

Chicago school officials -- who stress that ``It's Elementary'' will not be
shown to students -- said last week that the district's 589 principals would
view the film beginning in September and receive a copy for their schools
Today, however, officials said they have revised that plan, saying
principals will be told about the film during training sessions and can
request a copy for their schools.

A city official who helped get the film into the district and who will
conduct the training sessions said the decision to provide the film was
aimed at fostering tolerance and, in turn, preventing violence against gay
and lesbian students.

``It's practical. It makes good sense. It's about safety for children. I
don't think anybody, regardless of their religious background, can argue
with that,'' said Mary Morten, Mayor Richard Daley's liaison on gay and
lesbian issues.

School officials in San Francisco, who also are using ``It's Elementary,''
have gone as far as imposing a ban on anti-gay slurs.

``Go stand on a playground. I guarantee you that you will hear within
minutes kids saying, 'Oh, that's so gay. What are you, a fag?''' said Kevin
Gogin, who counsels kids at the San Francisco Unified School District.

Moves to address gay issues in the classroom 

[CTRL] Lawyers still keep the poor in their place by jails and barbarous laws, ..

1999-09-03 Thread Bard

 -Caveat Lector-

"Doctors plied their trade through sorcery and sacred charms.
Lawyers helped keep the poor in subjection; the criminal code was long,
cruel and deadly.
The priest, the doctor and the lawyer lived for the rich and helped make
slaves of the poor.
Doctors still believe in sorcery, but they administer their faith cures
through a bottle instead of vulgar witchcraft. Lawyers still keep the poor
in their place by jails and barbarous laws, but the criminal code is shorter
and less severe."

For more:  http://www.aracnet.com/~atheism/hist/darrow5.htm

Sound familiar, Folks?

Bard

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[CTRL] We (the military) received direct order not to communicate anything about Clinton..

1999-09-03 Thread Bard

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Dear Gennifer - http://www.genniferflowers.com

"Dear Gennifer" Members,


Subject: Hair Color From Hell

Dear Gennifer:

Recently, I spent an evening at The Algonquin in NYC with two women
who have beautiful blonde hair.  My hair was grey.  I say "was" because,
with the encouragement of my friends, I finally decided to color it.
First I went blonde.  I knew I was in trouble when the colorist fainted.
I knew I was in BIG trouble when I looked in the mirror.  It looked just
like the wig on a Chatty Cathy Doll.

My friend, Lucianne Goldberg, who Mirabella magazine calls one of the 25
Smartest Women in its current issue, came to the salon.  She was very
brave -- she didn't scream.  She just got me into a cab so I could go home
before my knees buckled.

Part II:  The next day, I decided...maybe everyone was right. I knew I had
to go "red."  Well...I did.  Unfortunately, it came out a w bit
dark; sort of like having a dead monkey on top of my head.

So here's the thing:  You are very smart and really pretty and know a
thing or two about style, fashion, and how to hang in there through
adversity.  I wonder if you can tell me:

1)  Do I have to wear a paper bag over my head for the rest of my life?
2)  As the co-host of a Radio Show, do you think the audience knows
my hair came out too dark?
3)   Do you think it's just something I have to get used to?  (Like my
thighs in a bathing suit, a slot machine that never pays off, or that
miserable Hillary Clinton  never giving it a rest and going back into her
cave?)

I think your advice column is sensational.

...Now if only I can figure out how to get my hair a little bit lighter...

Ronni


Dear Ronni,

To answer your questions,

1)  It's possibleI have a favorite paper bag, if you would like to
borrow it!

2)  Oh Yes!I believe radio listeners have a sixth sense that allows
them to see what we look like while we are on the air.  Ugh!

3)  Yes.

Ronni, my husband and I are thinking about opening a Beauty Salon
named the "Blonde Bitch".surely, we could get your color right?!

Good luck,

Gennifer


Subject : Wake Up America

Dear Gennifer.

First of all I am broken hearted that you are married... you are fabulous
: )

Briefly, I am Military and been that for 17 years now and I've seen what
you said on the AH show of how we look to other people around the
world, next... if you can believe this We (the military) have received
a direct order not to quote or communicate in any way shape or form
anything about President Clinton I am ashamed to have to salute him as
my commander in chief, and then I have to say that I am proud to see that
you have the courage and dignity to stand up for what's right and
wrong everyone keeps sweeping his (the Pres) junk under the carpet
time and time again... WHEN WILL THIS COUNTRY WAKE UP???  well please
take care ...be careful and I do salute you... thanks.

Fritz


Dear Fritz,

I SALUTE your integrity!

As an individual that has a tremendous respect for the military, I have
great empathy for your position.

Hang in there Fritz...a new President and Administration could
mean renewed hope and respect!

Time will tell.

Gennifer

Subject : Twin Peaks


Dear Gennifer,

Hey ... I think you are beautiful!  I'll stand up for you any day.  I love
your ideas and courage.  I only wish I had as much inner strength.

I have found myself in a rather awkward situation.  I am married to a
twin.  Her sister lives with us also and I have a difficult time telling
them apart.  There are ways to tell, but after I have a drink or two, it
becomes even more difficult.

Two days ago, I accidentally seduced my wife's twin sister.  Her sister
never let me know that she wasn't my wife.  But she told my wife the next
day what happened and now my wife is threatening to divorce me, and is
demanding her twin sister move out.  Her sister now hates me because she
blames me for breaking up their family.  I never meant to create any
problem.  Things are really heating up around here and if I don't do
something quick, I'm afraid I'm gonna lose everything.  Please tell me
what you would do if you were in my shoes.

Nigel


Dear Nigel,

You definitely have.DOUBLE TROUBLE!!!

The twin you slept with by mistake owes you and your wife (her sister) a
huge apology!

She is the "snake in the grass" and should be the one to make an
immediate EXIT!

In the meantime, I suggest you keep off the booze and avoid having
"double vision" in the future.

Good luck,

Gennifer


Thank you all again for your continued support!  I'm listening for your
comments and look forward to hearing from you.

My Best,

Gennifer


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[CTRL] Barry Chammish on: UFO Triangles in Israel (fwd)

1999-09-03 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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-- Forwarded message --
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 19:51:49 +0300 (IDT)
From: barry chamish [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: MICHAEL SPITZER [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Israel

THE FLYING TRIANGLES MAKE A TRIUMPHANT RETURN TO ISRAEL
by Barry Chamish

   The summer of 1999 saw the return of flying triangular
formations over Israel and as always, their appearance was
greeted with video cameras to solidly document them. With the
media uninterested in the phenomena, it is Israel's old guard of
skywatchers who made certain that the aerial invaders were
captured on film.

   Take July 22, as a case in point. This was the evening of
Tisha B'av, a sad Jewish fast day, recalling the destruction of
the Second Temple by the Romans. The triangular craft was first
spotted in the north of the country at 7:30 PM, sundown, in the
cities of Tsfat and Yokneam. It was videotaped in both places.
Then the phone network went to work. Rafi Malka, a professional
photographer who, in 1988, videotaped Israel's first UFO, over
Haifa, was told of the triangle. He managed to tape it from his
home in Ashdod and earned the distinction of being the first
Israeli to videotape two separate UFOs.

   He phoned his nephew Doron Cohen in Yavne who spread the word
in that city. Among those he contacted was professor Rami
Shkalim, who produced an absolutely brilliant videotape of the
craft. He was one of over two hundred people in three groups
viewed the craft in Yavne until it disappeared at approxomately
12:30 AM. But he was the only one to have just purchased a Sony
320 zoom video camera, essentially professional equipment.

   I drove to Professor Shkalim's home and watched his film. It
ranks as one of the most exciting in Israel's brief UFO history,
and that is no mean accomplishment. For ten minutes we see a
craft with two silvery lights, both surrrunded by a perfectly
circular red aura twice their size. Then the craft seems to turn
and we see a tiny third light to the left. Then it seems to turn
again and we have a triangle of lights. Then the craft becomes
two lights, which emit spirally turning lights, like twisting
fireworks, before the craft disappears to the west. During the
night the craft traversed an oval shaped path in the upper
northern sky.

   Dr. Shkalim is some witness! He has a PhD in both physics and
philosophy and is currently a professor of Kabbala at Bar Ilan
University. And he took the courageous step of going public with
his videotape. He called the popular television morning news
program, Goof Morning Israel, and volunteered to present his tape
on camera. He appeared with the Israeli establishment's prime
debunker, Prof. Ariel Cohen and tore him apart with the solidness
of his evidence. Cohen, meanwhile was more ignorant than usual.
In a classic statement of perverted misknowledge, he claimed
that, "In 1947, the first UFOs were seen by Arnold Palmer."

   It was a media triumph for Prof. Shkalim, and by its end the
program's host chided Cohen, telling him, "This film is too weird
to be written of as a planet or anything else we know."

   The fact that the UFO appeared nationwide on Tish B'av follows
the pattern of major incidents falling on Jewish holy days.
Without going into the details of each encounter, (they are
summarized with photos at http://members.tripod.com/~ufoisrael),
the Shikmona Beach incident occured on Rosh Hashana evening, the
Kadima sightings were on the Sabbath, the crop formation at Tel
Adashim was also formed on Rosh Hashana evening, while an even
more spectacular formation at Bet Zarzir was formed on Passover
evening. Israel's most documented UFO incidents occur with
undeniable regularity on Jewish holy evenings and the latest
Tisha B'av sighting has convinced many local observors that this
can no longer be dismissed as accidental.

   On August 27, ufologist David Ronen was skywatching as usual
and spotted a triangular UFO over Tel Aviv. He quickly phoned Gil
Bar and told him, "The craft is heading towards Rishon Letzion.
Get your camera." Gil rushed to his roof and managed to film the
craft before his camera's batteries gave out. He only had two
minutes to work with but it was enough. Gil captured precisely
the same triangular UFO that Adrian Dvir and his group of "alien
healers" had filmed the October before over Rishon Letzion.

   In November 1997, fifteen year old Gil filmed a UFO over
downtown Rishon Letzion being chased by an earthly plane in broad
daylight. Now he, like Rafi Malka, joins the elite club of
Israeli skywatchers who have filmed two separate UFOs.

--end

=
 Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT

  FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

   The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends
   Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, 

[CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #2

1999-09-03 Thread ric carter

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SkeptiNews 990903b - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
: Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning.
: No budget surpluses were spent during the production of this bulletin.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Microsoft products leave door open to NSA. (CNN) A cryptography expert
  says Microsoft operating systems include a back door that allows the U.S.
  National Security Agency to enter systems using an MS OS. The chief scien-
  tist at an Internet security company reported the flaw at a recent confer-
  ence where he discussed a "key" entrance into the cryptographic standard
  used in Microsoft Windows products, including Windows 95, 98, NT4 and
  Windows2000. http://cnn.com/TECH/computing/9909/03/windows.nsa/index.html

: Do you mind if gov't spies search through your computer files? Do you work
for the NSA? Do you search thru personal files? Especially the sexy ones???
Are systems using Windows 3.x and earlier, MacOS, Linux, CP/M more secure??
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ THE ANGLE OF LIGHT BECOMES A PERSON. Photons which are messenger light
  waves traveling through the universe can contact protons. When this occurs
  smaller energies inside of each called quarks cause a new particle to be
  formed. In other words light can change into matter and back into light
  again. The messenger particle which is light can become a person and then
  change back into light. That person that told you something important, and
  when you looked back to see him/her, they were gone. This is not something
  for your to believe. This is reality. Light can change into matter  back
  into light again. http://www.hiddenmeanings.com/meditation.html#BECOMES

: Have you changed into light and back lately? Was it difficult? Would you
rather be corporeal or luminescent? Do you use the opportunity to spy on
people, military installations, gov't operations, corporate meetings, me?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# 'Domino Effect' Could Threaten More Turkish Quakes. MENLO PARK, Calif.
  (Reuters) A scientist who two years ago predicted last month's devastating
  Turkish earthquake warned that a "domino effect" on the country's North
  Anatolian Fault could mean dangerous seismic stress is building up around
  Istanbul. http://news.excite.com/news/r/990903/02/science-quake-turkey

: Have you manipulated any earthquakes lately? How many Greeks need to jump
off ladders simultaneously to cause a major Turkish quake? Are there enough?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# SPACEVIEWS - Cosmonauts Leave Mir, Return to Earth - NASA, Orbital Revise
  X-34 Testing Schedule - First Chandra Images and Spectra Released - GAO
  Report Critical of X-33 - Mars Polar Lander Site Selected - More Changes
  in Store for Shuttle Schedule - NASA, Hughes Considering Satellite Rescue
  Mission - More Delays for Arianespace - Atlas Cleared for Three Launches -
  SpaceViews Event Horizon - Other News: http://www.spaceviews.com/1999/09/

: Do you have an independent space program? How is it proceeding? Are aliens
helping you much? Have you visited The Mothership yet? Is it reely kewl? Eh?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# SEX-ENHANCEMENT DRUG KILLS - 31 deaths linked to Viagra. (BBC) Thirty-
  one people have died after taking Viagra in the first year of the anti-
  impotence drug being available in the UK, doctors have reported. OOPS:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_437000/437872.stm

: Would you rather fuck than live? Who would you poison with Viagra? Would
they mind much? Is Viagra a capitalist plot, an alien plot, a Satanist plot?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ FREEMASON WIT AND WISDOM. The Masons are a self-described fraternity of
  men that adhere to a code of conduct and living and have meetings, events,
  and traditions that sound a bit like church. This newsgroup offers bits of
  wit  wisdom, and a lot of flaming from the usual band of nutty conspiracy
  theorists. One nice quote (from Rev. Brother Jesse Jackson) reads, "Never
  look down on anybody unless you're helping them up." news:alt.freemasonry

: Are you a nutty conspiracy theorist? Are you a Freemason? Are you both? Do
you control the world? Do you want to? Have you tried? Is it worth it? Why?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# N.Z. Chicken Processing Plant Owner Fax-Bombed by U.S Security. WELLINGTON
  (Reuters) A chicken processing plant has been bombarded with stray faxes
  from U.S. security officials preparing for a visit to Auckland by Pres.
  Clinton. http://news.excite.com/news/r/990903/09/odd-chicken  photo:
  http://news.excite.com/photo/img/r/life/clinton/chicken/19990903/sin99

: Whose security systems have you penetrated? Is it easy to hack systems so
that they propagate confidential communications across the Net? Is it fun??
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ THE BODY KEEPS THE SCORE: Memory and the evolving psychobiology of post
  traumatic stress. For more than 

[CTRL] Fwd: RITALIN NAZISM

1999-09-03 Thread Kris Millegan





A question of ethics...


ARGUMENTATION PURPORTING THAT THE
LONG-TERM COMPULSORY USE OF RITALIN
BY CHILDREN VIOLATES ANTI-NAZI LAW:

The Nuremberg Code was written to
protect All People from the types
of crimes against humanity committed
by the Nazi regime. The Nuremberg Code
states that in medical experimentation
"voluntary consent of the human subject
is absolutely essential." The Code also
states that such consent must be obtained
"without the intervention of any element
of force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-
reaching, or other ulterior form of
constraint or coercion..." [1]

Let's observe how the long-term use of
Ritalin by children (given to millions
of kids to make them more obedient in
school) can violate the Nuremberg Code:

LONG-TERM RITALIN SAFETY  EFFICACY
IN CHILDREN IS STILL EXPERIMENTAL

The manufacturer of Ritalin (Novartis)
states in their current package insert:

 "Sufficient data on safety and efficacy
 of long-term use of Ritalin in children
 are not yet available. ... Long-term
 effects of Ritalin in children have
 not been well established." (1998)

This means that long-term use of Ritalin in
children is still in the experimental stage
and conforms to the definition of "medical
experiment": a tentative medical procedure.
Furthermore, data is gathered by the FDA on
adverse effects of approved drugs in order
to monitor for potential health hazards,
which constitutes an ongoing drug experiment
in which all drug-using patients are subjects,
which is a major part of the long-term data.

Long-term use in children is also ALWAYS
a test, or experiment, per child to see
if Ritalin continues to suppress or begins
to cause other forms of harm to the child.
(Research suggests that long-term Ritalin
use could be associated with brain atrophy,
psychiatric disorders, and stunted growth.
It should also be noted that in medical
research the phrase "long-term" can mean
anywhere from three weeks to three years.)

RITALIN USE BY KIDS IS INHERENTLY COERCIVE

As Peter Breggin, MD, has established, [2]
many-to-most children don't like and don't
want to take Ritalin. This indicates that
children are being coerced to take Ritalin.

Even if a child offers no resistance, the
conditions for obtaining consent stipulated
in the Nuremberg Code can still be violated
by the very nature of a child's powerless
subordination to the rule of adults, which
clearly constitutes an "element of force."
(An aside: the Nuremberg Code also states
that a subject must "have legal capacity
to give consent," which no child has).

ERGO: since long-term Ritalin use by children
is experimental, and since it always will be
experimental for each individual, if Ritalin
use by a child is coerced, however subtle that
coercion may be, this constitutes involuntary
human experimentation that is a violation of
the Nuremburg Code, and as such, it constitutes
a crime against humanity. Millions of children
in US schools are likely victims of such Nazism.
   _
   [1] The Nuremberg Code (see requirement number 1):
   http://www.med.nus.edu.sg/phar/sgcpp/nuremburg.htm
   [2] "Talking Back To Ritalin," Peter Breggin, MD.
   See chapter 5 "'They Never Like The Medication'"
   http://www.breggin.com/prbbooks.html or library
   Side Effects of Ritalin Everyone Should Know:
   http://www.breggin.com/ritalinbkexcerpt.html
   This article on Ritalin will be posted here:
   http://www.erols.com/igoddard/nazi-rit.htm

   -- copyright 1999 Ian Williams Goddard --


GODDARD'S JOURNAL: http://www.erols.com/igoddard/journal.htm





[CTRL] WHEN WILL THIS COUNTRY WAKE UP???

1999-09-03 Thread Bard

 -Caveat Lector-

Dear Gennifer.

First of all I am broken hearted that you are married... you are fabulous
: )

Briefly, I am Military and been that for 17 years now and I've seen what
you said on the AH show of how we look to other people around the
world, next... if you can believe this We (the military) have received
a direct order not to quote or communicate in any way shape or form
anything about President Clinton I am ashamed to have to salute him as
my commander in chief, and then I have to say that I am proud to see that
you have the courage and dignity to stand up for what's right and
wrong everyone keeps sweeping his (the Pres) junk under the carpet
time and time again... WHEN WILL THIS COUNTRY WAKE UP???  well please
take care ...be careful and I do salute you... thanks.

Fritz


Dear Fritz,

I SALUTE your integrity!

As an individual that has a tremendous respect for the military, I have
great empathy for your position.

Hang in there Fritz...a new President and Administration could
mean renewed hope and respect!

Time will tell.

Gennifer  http://www.genniferflowers.com


Bard

Visit me at:
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[CTRL] ..charter schools.. promises have not yet been met.

1999-09-03 Thread Bard

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Spring/Summer 1999
Charter Schools: Still a Work in Progress

by Elena Cabral




Charter schools emerged in the early 1990's as a bold experiment in school
reform. Established by communities through a sponsoring, or charter, agency,
these independent schools are designed to operate with public funds but
without the bureaucratic constraints of public school systems. They promise
more choices for families, greater efficiency and innovation through
competition.

But a Foundation-supported study of 17 charter schools in California
suggests that many of the promises have not yet been met.

The two-and-a-half-year project by the University of California at Los
Angeles was one of the first intensive studies on charter schools, which now
number about 1,100 nationwide. California was the second state to pass
legislation supporting these schools.

The grant supporting the study was part of the Foundation's
Constituency-Building for Public School Reform Initiative, a program of the
Education, Knowledge and Religion unit.

"Some of the claims and assumptions that are driving the way people
conceptualize charter school reform need to be rethought," says Amy Stuart
Wells, an associate professor of educational policy at UCLA and the director
of the study. Though the study acknowledges the benefits of giving educators
greater freedom in general, it notes several troubling aspects.

Among the 15 findings is that many schools have no formal way to know if
they are better than traditional public schools at helping students learn.
One reason is that it is difficult to measure performance in schools that
vary widely in theme, approach and design. Some focus on a "back to basics"
approach, while others use broader themes. A mitigating factor is that
California has been struggling in recent years to carry out an assessment of
all its schools. The study points out that some of the aims of charter
schools do not conform to traditional tests.

Though charter schools are designed to give families more choices in
education, the study says that the admissions criteria, recruiting tactics
and even special duties some schools require of students and parents - like
mandatory volunteerism - allow them to engineer the composition of their
classes.

Some schools are not delivering on their promise to reflect the racial or
ethnic profile of their districts, and there are few opportunities to share
information with public schools, for which charter schools claim to be
models. The study also found that charter schools rely heavily on private
resources, and that the ability to raise money varies greatly.

But teachers in charter schools gave very positive reports about their work.
They said that they felt more useful in their schools, which invigorate and
challenge them in ways that conventional school settings do not. "I like
starting out with something and feeling like I'm helping to build it," a
teacher said.

Support for charter schools remains strong nationwide, but Wells says the
report should serve as a call to re-examine some of the ideas behind them.

The report sparked a mixed response among educators when it was released in
December. Some dismissed it by saying it overlooked individual successes.
Others said it served as a warning to future charter schools.

"I don't think anybody, especially operators of charter schools, has ever
looked at ourselves or even the charter school movement as a silver bullet
that's going to fundamentally, on its own, change school systems," says Mark
Silverberg, a coordinator of the Hoboken (N.J.) Charter School. "Charter
schools are one small piece of a whole set of reform and renewal efforts. To
look at a movement in its infancy and say it hasn't changed the system is a
sort of narrow perspective."

But Wells says: "This report isn't designed to end charter schools. It is
designed to take stock and force the issues out on the table that have not
yet been discussed."

To obtain a copy of the report, send a mailing address to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] or call (310) 825-9903. It is also available on line
at www.gseis/ucla.edu/docs/charter.pdf.



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[CTRL] We may have to think the unthinkable about HIV and AIDS

1999-09-03 Thread Robert Tatman

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http://www.newscientist.com/ns/19990904/editorial.html

The cruellest irony
We may have to think the unthinkable about HIV and AIDS
COULD DOCTORS TESTING a polio vaccine in Africa in the late 1950s have
unintentionally started the AIDS epidemic?

Seven years after this conspiracy-style theory was first floated, the
publication of The River, a new book by the writer Edward Hooper, is forcing
scientists to take this disturbing possibility seriously again. Hooper spent
nine years researching the book and has paid great attention to detail. Few
experts doubt that he has done his homework. So how seriously should we take
the theory?

It's widely accepted that humans became infected with HIV-1, the main AIDS
virus, through contact with chimpanzees. When and how the chimp version of the
virus jumped into humans, however, is much less clear. Epidemiologists' best
guess is that hunters became infected with blood as they cut up chimp
carcasses for meat.

By contrast, Hooper's theory centres on a polio vaccine that was tested on
about a million people in central Africa between 1957 and 1960. Because the
vaccine was produced in cultures of kidney cells from various primate species,
Hooper argues that some of it could have been contaminated with the virus that
was later identified in humans as HIV-1. All that was needed to seed the AIDS
epidemic was a few contaminated batches.

If Hooper is right, it would mean 14 million people have so far died and 33
million been infected because of a well-intentioned--and ultimately
successful--attempt to stem the tide of polio. That's some tragic irony. But
discomfort is no reason to ignore the possibility.

When the vaccine theory of AIDS first surfaced, scientists could be
justifiably dismissive. The word then was that the kidney cells used to make
the polio vaccines came from macaque monkeys, not chimps. Also, scientists
believed that the first recognisable case of AIDS involved a British seaman
whose travels were over before the vaccinations began.

We now know that this was not a genuine HIV infection. More importantly,
Hooper provides the first evidence that chimp kidneys may have been used to
culture the vaccine and he identifies a geographic match between the vaccine
trial sites and what are now regarded as the first known cases of HIV
infection, including the earliest in 1959.

But if the vaccine theory has become less obviously far-fetched, it still has
problems. For example, the vaccine was also tested on thousands of individuals
in Poland but there's no evidence of early HIV infection there. Secondly,
different subspecies carry different forms of the chimp virus and, if current
research is correct, the subspecies of chimp from the Congo whose kidneys
might have been used is the "wrong" one: it harbours only a distant relative
of HIV-1.

And if vaccine trials were responsible for HIV-1 in central Africa, where does
that leave HIV-2, the sister virus that emerged in West Africa? HIV-2 seems to
have "jumped" species from the sooty mangabey in at least four separate
incidents. Were vaccines involved in these leaps too? Or did HIV-1 need help
to jump species even though HIV-2 didn't? Either version requires excessive
special pleading. Especially since biologists who have studied different
strains of HIV-1 are confident that they began to diverge from a single viral
ancestor no later than 1940.

But even if there is only the tiniest chance that Hooper is right, the
implications of his theory demand that it should be investigated. The obvious
next step is to test the remaining frozen stocks of the vaccine for the
presence of the chimp virus. Of course, negative results will not resolve the
controversy, because other batches, now used up or lost, might have been
contaminated. But this is no excuse for doing nothing.

So far, few of the players have shown any sense of urgency. An expert
committee that looked into the vaccine theory in 1992 called for tests on the
remaining stocks and an end to using monkey tissues to make vaccines. Well,
the stocks have still not been tested, and although most manufacturers have
switched to using human cells to culture the vaccine, some still have not.
Production methods are far more stringent than they were 40 years ago. But the
fact is that any vaccines cultured in monkey tissues could still carry a risk
of unknown primate viruses.

For this and other reasons, it is now up to the WHO to try to answer Hooper's
questions as quickly as possible. A refusal to test the leftover vaccine
stocks will simply fuel conspiracy theories everywhere.



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[CTRL] [BRIGADE] NH Supporters Standing With Buchanan

1999-09-03 Thread Bill Richer

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Date sent:  Fri, 03 Sep 1999 10:06:37 -0400
From:   Santelman Associates [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Area Buchanan support holds firm
Rumors he’s leaving GOP don’t sway backers.
By JOSHUA TRUDELL, Telegraph Staff

Presidential candidate Patrick Buchanan may become the second
Republican to leave the party in recent months, and several
area supporters said that they would jump with him should he
move to the Reform Party.

"Wherever Pat goes, I will go," said Mark Santelman of Nashua,
a Buchanan activist. "I’m an unrepentant Pat Buchanan
supporter."

Rumors have swirled for much of the summer about Buchanan
leaving the Republican Party. Earlier this week, campaign
adviser Bay Buchanan, the candidate’s sister, and several
other aides said that he is considering leaving to join the
Reform Party.

Reform Party officials said that they would welcome Buchanan.

James Fallon of Hampton, who has donated $750 to Buchanan’s
campaign and called himself a "very enthusiastic" supporter,
said that he doubted Buchanan would leave the Republican
Party.

"I’m not at all sure the Reform Party fits Pat," Fallon said.
"I know he and the governor of Minnesota" – Jesse Ventura of
the Reform Party – "don’t see eye-to-eye."

Santelman said he would tell Buchanan to go. "There’s nothing
of value in the Republican Party," he said. "There are good
Republicans, but the party as a whole is nothing to be proud
of."

Mark E. Johnson of Hollis, a 20-year Republican supporter who
gave $500 to Buchanan in 1996, said he could easily follow
Buchanan to the Reform Party.

"It’s been more and more difficult to find out where the
Republican Party stands," Johnson said. "I have no problem
finding out where Pat Buchanan stands."

Johnson suggested that Buchanan could put former president
Ronald Reagan’s political coalition back together, merging
blue-collar Democrats, conservative Republicans, and the
voters that Ross Perot drew in 1996.

Paul Busta, a supporter from Windham who donated $250 earlier
this year, said that he was skeptical of initial rumors that
Buchanan was leaving, but has become more convinced in recent
days, with reports that Buchanan and campaign advisers are
huddling at his Virginia home.

"The rumors are going around, but they went around four years
ago, too," Busta said. "It seems a little more likely when you
throw in the nearly $13 million the Reform Party has."

Busta said that he would probably continue to support Buchanan
if he jumped to the Reform Party.

Buchanan’s campaign has struggled in New Hampshire after two
strong showings in the past two campaigns.

His campaign has drawn only seven contributions totaling
$3,050 so far, while his 1996 campaign, which won the New
Hampshire primary, had 86 contributions for $36,975. In 1992,
when he finished second in New Hampshire, he had 42
contributors who gave $22,000.

In early August, Buchanan issued a statement insisting that he
was running for the Republican nomination and calling reports
that he was leaving the party "unsubstantiated and untrue." In
the same statement, he said that his campaign would be
renewing efforts at an Aug. 14 straw poll in Ames, Iowa.

Buchanan spokesman Bob Adams said Wednesday that if the
statement were released today, it would still be accurate.

"He is a Republican candidate for president. That’s still
true," Adams said. He added, "That doesn’t mean he’s not
having impure thoughts, however."

Buchanan was fifth in the Iowa straw poll, which seemed to be
enough to sustain his campaign. However, on the day of the
poll, he already seemed to be hinting that he was leaving the
party on two nationally broadcast television shows.

"I’m going right now down this road" toward pursuing the 

[CTRL] Sheriff and Police Chief Survey Results

1999-09-03 Thread Bill Richer

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Results of the 12th annual survey of Chiefs of Police and Sheriffs: The
following survey questions were posed in the last 60 days by mail of 16,000
Chiefs of Police and Sheriffs that was recently completed. It represents a
cross section of professional officers involving every state with a 10%
response. The survey was conducted for the 12th consecutive year by the
National Association of Chiefs of Police. Washington, D.C., (202)293-9088.
Has some interesting results on the firearm questions. The survey covers a
lot of other questions as well -- check the response to question #29 about a
UN police force.

Pikes Peak Firearms Coalition





Sheriff and Police Chief Survey Results






Death Penalty

1. Do you believe the death penalty serves as a deterrent to certain types of
crimes?

Yes 90.8% ... No 08.9%

2. Do you believe that when a law enforcement officer is feloniously killed
in the line of duty that the penalty upon conviction should be death?

Yes 97.6% ... No 01.7%

Firearms

3. Do you believe any law-abiding citizen should be able to purchase a
firearm for sport or self-defense?

Yes 92.7% ... No 06.8%

4. Within the past year, has your agency been called upon to arrest anyone
who has made a false statement on an application to purchase a firearm?

Yes 06.2% ... No 93.3%

5. Do you believe anyone (such as a convicted felon) in violation of state or
federal firearm possession laws should be prosecuted by the U.S. Attorney
and, if convicted, receive a maximum prison term?

Yes 87.7% ... No 11.2%

6. Do you believe law-abiding citizens should be limited to purchase of no
more than one firearm per month?

Yes 32.7% ... No 65.8%

7. Do you believe local "gun shows" are a major source for sales of illegal
firearms to criminals?

Yes 40.7% ... No 55.8%

8. Do you believe criminals currently are able to obtain virtually any type
of firearm by illegal means?

Yes 97.9% ... No 01.8%

9. Do you believe any sworn peace officer or retired officer should be
permitted to carry a firearm from state to state?

Yes 93.6% ... No 05.8%

Ethics

10. Do you believe the ethical standards of your department are upheld at a
higher level than those by elected officials in our nation's capital?

Yes 93.8% ... No 04.8%

11. Would off-duty, private sexual misconduct of an officer in your
department result in dismissal or penalty of any type?

Yes 78.1% ... No 15.7%

Media

12. Do you believe the media (TV, radio and print) are fair and impartial in
reporting the news?

Yes 08.4% ... No 90.6%

13. Does your agency have one officer assigned to handle media requests?

Yes 56.3% ... No 42.9%

Terrorism/Sabotage

14. Has your agency been offered training in connection with the U.S.
Department of Justice "first responder" program to combat weapons of mass
destruction, biological warfare, etc.?

Yes 28.6% ... No 70.6%

15. Has your agency received special equipment to protect officers from such
hazards?

Yes 07.1% ... No 92.4%

16. Do you believe the coming year will bring foreign or domestic terrorist
attacks that

threaten the public trust in our role as guardians of law and order?

Yes 77.7% ... No 18.7%

Technology/Equipment

17. Do you believe arrestees should be required to provide DNA samples, in a
manner similar to current practices of fingerprinting?

Yes 79.9% ... No 18.0%

18. Were funds available, would you like to have videocameras available in
all police vehicles, holding cells, interrogation areas and anywhere public
may be in contact with officers?

Yes 94.9% ... No 04.9%

19. Were funds available, would you like a device that can emit a magnetic
ray to shut down the engine of a speeding car?

Yes 90.6% ... NO 08.5%

20. Were funds available, would you like a firearm that uses a microchip to
ensure only the officer can fire it, preventing a suspect from shooting it in
a struggle with the officer?

Yes 84.0% ... No 14.6%

21. Does your department require each officer to wear a bullet-resistant
jacket on duty?

Yes 59.5% ... No 40.2%

22. Does your department use CS or CN teargas as an option to force?

Yes 71.5% ... No 28.1%

Drugs

23. Do you believe that marijuana should continue to be illegal for personal
use?

Yes 90.1% ... No 09.2%

24. Do you believe a "zero tolerance" program testing prisoners and parolees
for drug use will reduce drug use among those people?

Yes 69.1% ... No 30.3%

25. Do you believe the national war on drugs that has been going on for more
than 15 years has been successful in reducing the use of illegal drugs?

Yes 21.6% ... No 77.7%

26. Do you believe abuse of illegal drugs has had a serious impact upon crime
in your community?

Yes 88.8% ... No 10.8%

Other

27. If free brochures about "dos and don'ts" regarding driver actions
following a traffic accident were provided to your agency, would you consider
disseminating them to 

[CTRL] OPEN POLLINATED Seed sources,

1999-09-03 Thread Bill Richer

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HJ Online, the Restoration Directory: D. Landreth Seed Co.
Since 1784, America's oldest seed company. Extended 30-day credit to
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other historical greats. Available coast to coast, wholesale and retail.
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Fragrant, hardy, easy-to-grow heirloom flowers transform any garden
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for home gardeners. We aim to preserve genetic diversity in food plants.
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all your home gardening needs. Archived information on proper tree
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[CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #3

1999-09-03 Thread ric carter

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SkeptiNews 990903c - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
: Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning.
: No factory workers were irradiated during the production of this bulletin.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Sex with spies worries US. (BBC) Sexual affairs with people from countries
  suspected of having nuclear weapons must be reported, says a memo from the
  US Department of Energy to its staff. Sexual affairs with animals are OK.
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_437000/437729.stm

: Do you prefer sex with citizens of nuclear or non-nuclear powers? Who are
hotter? Do you prefer sex with spies, Reptilioids, Republicans, robots, me?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# JFK Dallas Fatal Shot From Storm Drain? [photo] "While standing on the 'X'
  which marks JFK's position at the time of the fatal head shot, my associ-
  ate was also 'stooping down' to the approximate height of JFK's eye level
  while riding in the limousine." http://sightings.com/politics4/drain.htm

: Where were you when you shot JFK? How have you managed to shake all your
pursuers? Were you killed afterward to keep you from revealing the truth??
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ ARMAGEDDON HAS COME, AND GONE. So many people are waiting for Armageddon.
  They hold on to the prophetic words of the Bible, anticipating the vicious
  conflicts on bloody battlefields worldwide. Revolutionary war, civil war,
  world wars I and II, Korean war, Viet Nam war. Hitler and his murder of
  millions, atomic bombs on Japan that incinerated people. We have already
  seen it folks. It's a lot quieter now. We have hit bottom and are on the
  way up. Yeah Aquarius. http://www.hiddenmeanings.com/bible.html#ARMAGEDDON

: Did the apocalypse pass by while you were busy with phone sex, while you
were stoned/drunk, while you were being implanted by ETs, while you slept??
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Catholic priest killing condemned. (BBC) Church leaders and political
  parties have condemned the murder of a Catholic priest in eastern India.
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_437000/437523.stm

: Since Xianity promotes cultural genocide by destroying indigenous belief
systems, is killing priests/preachers/missionaries justifiable self-defense?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ HOW'RE THEY"RE DONE. Richard Roehm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
  message news:7qmshg$nt6$[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Satellite technology
  has improved to the point [where] they're capable of altering the physical
  structure of the crops. They beam to the soil that causes the crop to bend
  in a particular direction. Computers have to be involved cause the circles
  are almost too perfect to be from a human nature. UFO folks are smarter
  than just coming down to earth just to leave graffiti. ###

: Do you create crop circles with tractor/pressor beams, structural-modifi-
cation rays, rakes, goats, mental exertion? Are you too smart for graffiti?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

SkeptiLinks:

# Savannah River workers contaminated with plutonium - oops:
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560978296-946
# Swiss nuke protesters cleared - Greenpeace embargo failed:
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2560969483-612

@ ASK A CONSPIRACY THEORIST:
  http://www.theonion.com/onion3531/ask_conspiracy_theorist.html
@ Committee of 300 controls the world:
  http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/300dx.htm
@ Documents Related to the Cold War:
  http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/coldwar.htm
@ American Dynasties: http://www.americandynasty.com/

# 'Thursday' Virus Outbreak Reported:
  http://www.zdnet.com/filters/printerfriendly/0,6061,2326906-2,00.html
# Teens Plead Innocent In Hacking Case:
  http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/ctg016.htm
# Technology Log: Hacker's Remorse:
  http://www.salonmagazine.com/tech/log/1999/09/02/hotmail_hack/print.html

# UK Targets Net Pedophiles:
  http://www.zdnet.com/filters/printerfriendly/0,6061,2326778-2,00.html
# Hackers Threat To Scottish Ministers' Website:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/low/english/uk/scotland/newsid_435000/435964.stm

@ 25 NATO Aircraft Shot Down by Serbs; Chinese Embassy Deliberately Hit:
  http://www.broadcast.com/shows/endoftheline/99archives.stm
  http://www.audionet.com/shows/endoftheline/9908/end0816.ram 2:15:00 mark
@ Debunking the lies, denials and official apologies to the Chinese:
  http://www.truthinmedia.org/Bulletins99/tim99-8-3.html
@ Chinese 'stealth' (aircraft) expert was targeted:
  http://www.truthinmedia.org/Kosovo/Peace/ps37.html

@ HackerNews: http://www.hackernews.com
@ Processor Guide: http://digital.cnet.com/cgi-bin/flo?x=dmKmhmYgwhuguE
@ Linuxes Tested: http://digital.cnet.com/cgi-bin/flo?x=dmKmhmYgwhuouY
@ E-commerce Issues: http://digital.cnet.com/cgi-bin/flo?x=dmKmhmYgwhuBum

# UFO REPORTS - Three Disc Reports: http://caus.org/mu090399.htm
# CROP CIRCLE REPORT - More Crop 

[CTRL] The Australian

1999-09-03 Thread Bill Richer

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Dear Friends:
  Has The australian web page moved or has it been removed?  I get
following message:

Directory Listing Denied
This Virtual Directory does not allow contents to be listed.

At http://www.theaustralian.com.au/home/

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[CTRL] Spider Warning - cannot confirm

1999-09-03 Thread Bill Richer

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 FW:  Warning! Spider in the toilet!]
   Importance:

 I'm told this isn't a joke.  Take it or leave it!:  Friends,
 Please pass this on to everyone on your email list:
 According to an article by Dr. Beverly Clark, in the Journal of the
United
Medical Association (JUMA), the mystery behind a recent spate of deaths
has
 been solved.
   
 If you haven't already heard about it in the news, here is what
happened.
 3 women in Chicago, turned up at hospitals over a 5 day period, all
with the
same symptoms.
 Fever, chills, and vomiting, followed by muscular collapse, paralysis,
and
finally, death. There were no outward signs of trauma.  Autopsy results
showed toxicity in the blood.
   
 These women did not know each other, and seemed to have nothing in
common.
It was discovered, however, that they had all visited the same
restaurant
(Big Chappies, at Blare Airport), within days of their deaths.
   
 The health department descended on the restaurant, shutting it down.
The
food, water, and air conditioning were all inspected and tested, to no
avail.
   
 The big break came when a waitress at the restaurant was rushed to the
hospital with similar symptoms. She told doctors that she had been on
vacation, and had only went to the restaurant to pick up her check. She
did
not eat or drink while she was there, but had used the restroom.
   
 That is when one toxicologist,  remembering an article he had read,
drove
out to the restaurant, went into the restroom, and lifted the toilet
seat.
Under the seat, out of normal view, was small spider.
   
 The spider was captured and brought back to the lab, where it was
determined
to be the South American Blush Spider (arachnius gluteus), so named
because
of its reddened flesh color. This spider's venom is extremely toxic, but
can
take several days to take effect.  They live in cold, dark, damp,
climates,
and toilet rims provide just the right atmosphere.
   
 Several days later a lawyer from Los Angeles showed up at a hospital
emergency room. Before his death, he told the doctor, that he had been
away
on business, had taken a flight from New York, changing planes in
Chicago,
before returning home. He did not visit Big Chappies while there. He
did, as
did all of the other victims, have what was determined to be a puncture
wound, on his right buttock.
   
 Investigators discovered that the flight he was on had originated in
South
America. The Civilian Aeronautics Board (CAB) ordered an immediate
inspection
of the toilets of all flights from South America, and discovered the
Blush
spider's nests on 4 different planes!
   
 It is now beleived that these spiders can be anywhere in  the country.
So
please, before you use a public toilet, lift the seat to check for
spiders.
It can save your life!

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[CTRL] Jiang Struggles to Maintain Grip on PLA

1999-09-03 Thread Bill Richer

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STRATFOR.COM
Global Intelligence Update
September 3, 1999

Jiang Struggles to Maintain Grip on PLA

Summary:

In an attempt to consolidate control over the People's Liberation
Army (PLA) by enhancing its dependence on Beijing, Chinese
President Jiang Zemin, in July 1998, ordered the PLA to divest
itself of its many businesses.  This plan has backfired, with
officers looting the businesses before turning the indebted and
overstaffed shells over to the government.  Now with the PLA
demanding the compensation it was promised for divestiture, Jiang
is struggling to maintain control of a brewing crisis fraught with
both domestic and international implications.

Analysis:

China's Central Military Commission (CMC), headed by President
Jiang Zemin, issued a directive on September 1 reasserting the
Chinese Communist Party's (CCP) leadership over the People's
Liberation Army (PLA).  The directive insisted that the PLA "is the
people's army under the absolute leadership of the party, and
embodies an important force of the political superiority of the
party and state government."  The directive outlined how the PLA
had adapted to the past 20 years of reform and "opening up," but
urged the PLA leadership to develop an ideology that allowed
modernization within a socialist market economy and complete
obedience to the CCP.

Jiang's insistence on strengthening the PLA's obedience to the CCP
begs the question, "Wasn't it already obedient?"  And the dictum,
"If it isn't broken, don't fix it," applies here doubly, as Jiang
is focusing first and foremost on domestic political stability in
the run-up to the October 1 celebrations of the 50th anniversary of
communist China.  One month from the anniversary, with tensions
brewing across the Taiwan Strait, the Chinese economy quietly
melting down and security forces rounding up everyone who could
vaguely be described as dissident, Jiang has very publicly
suggested that the PLA could be a bit more loyal.

A serious rift has surfaced between the military and Jiang, sparked
by the backfire of his 1998 initiative to bring it under his
control.  In July 1998, Jiang ordered the PLA to divest itself of
its business empire, estimated to number some 15,000 enterprises
with estimated combined annual revenues of $25 billion - well in
excess of the official US$9.7 billion annual military budget.
Under Chairman Mao, the PLA had orders to establish its own farms
and textile mills so as not to burden the government budget and, by
extension, the peasantry.  Under the economic reforms of Deng
Xiaoping, the PLA was allowed to expand even further to relieve the
national budget, increase employment and speed industrial growth
and business development.  The trouble is, as the PLA's business
empire grew, so did corruption in the ranks and, more ominously,
independence from Beijing's control.

With economic trouble - and the inevitable accompanying unrest - on
China's horizon, Jiang wanted to strip the regional military
commanders of their financial independence.  The roughly 3 million-
strong PLA would be dependent on Beijing for its budget -
supposedly bolstered by revenues from the PLA's former enterprises
- thereby avoiding the rise of powerful, regional generals.
China's history is a series of central administrations asserting
power only to have it ripped away by regional warlords.

The plan backfired.  Jiang underestimated the corruption and
avarice that had permeated the PLA.  He was rudely made aware of
the extent of the problem when, in early April of this year, the
CCP and PLA commissions, tasked with auditing PLA enterprises,
reported wanton and systematic embezzlement, false accounting and
bad debts. Moreover, since receiving the divestiture order, the PLA
engaged in full scale asset-stripping, hiding the proceeds abroad
and extensively borrowing on the expectation that they would never
have to repay the debts.  The government was left with deeply
indebted, overstaffed shells of businesses, many committed to
extensive and costly social welfare programs.  The PLA, having
relinquished its business empire as ordered, then had the gall to
demand compensation for the businesses as well as the promised, and
now necessary, increases in the defense budget.

Jiang's attempt to gain control fell victim to the PLA's corruption
and decay, and he is now faced with a worse situation than before
he ordered the divestiture.  Jiang must now pay off the commanders
for their "losses," while funding the PLA at a higher level and
injecting funds into remaining enterprises in order to stave off
massive unemployment.  It is no wonder Jiang is concerned about PLA
loyalty.

Jiang's first response has been to hand over the problem and a fair
share of the blame to Prime Minister Zhu Rongji.  Ironically,
according to diplomatic and military sources cited by the South
China Morning Post in July 1998, Zhu adamantly opposed Jiang's
decision to strip the PLA of its businesses.  Zhu had reportedly

[CTRL] President Clinton is a total supporter of the (porn) industry, ..

1999-09-03 Thread Bard

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"President Clinton is a total supporter of the (porn) industry, and he's
always been on our team," David Schlessinger of the adult-oriented Vivid
Videos told TV Guide. "It's not that Clinton has been outwardly supportive
of the adult industry, but rather that he hasn't tried to quash it the way
republicans did in the 1980s."

--
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3684302d02f4.htm

IS LARRY FLYNT BRIBING THE PRESIDENT AS BOTH FACE JANUARY TRIALS ?


December 25, 1998 Tom Flocco


TV MEDIA SILENT ON LARRY FLYNT'S JANUARY INTERSTATE PORN TRIAL AS CLINTON
TRIAL CONFLICTS (Blackmail/Bribery?) INVOLVING IMPLIED SENATE 'OUTINGS' AND
SCORCHED EARTH INVESTIGATIVE COSTS RECEIVE SOFT COVERAGE

PORN MAGNATE REFUSES TO DENY RELATIONSHIP TO WHITE HOUSE AGENTS LENZNER,
PALADINO AND CARVILLE (FBI FILES?) ON MSNBC/ABC

While it is not quite so obvious to most Americans, those who are familiar
with the modus operandi of the rogue president will not be surprised to hear
that the financing of pornographer Larry Flynt's investigation of Clinton
congressional enemies was possibly a disguised political contribution to
encourage White House support and influence regarding the upcoming
multiple-count interstate pornography indictments facing Flynt and his
brother, Jimmy, in Cincinnati.

The influence is possible as Clinton fired EVERY U.S. attorney and replaced
them with HIS people at the outset of his administration, just as he
politicized the Reno Justice Department in a effort to CONTROL the justice
system in America. Flynt refused to deny MSNBC/ABC questions as to whether
he had a relationship to Lenzner, Paladino or Carville--or why he is not
'outing' democrats.

Larry and Jimmy Flynt were indicted in April, 1998 on 15 counts of obscenity
violations, including the pandering of the video, "Pam and Tommy
Lee--Hard-core and Uncensored" to a 14 year old boy at their downtown
Cincinnati store and the interstate transportation of obscenity via a common
carrier (Federal Express), according to a November Washington Times piece.
The United States Criminal Code forbids obscenity to be mailed, transported
or sold. Coincidently, the Flynt brothers porn trial and the Clinton Senate
trial BOTH begin in January, 1999.

The are a number of other potential areas of recent implied influence
involving the pornography industry and the Clinton Administration. The Times
also reported that porn prosecutions of obscenity violations plummeted
during Mr. Clinton's first term. And while Janet Reno fights "kiddie porn"
on the internet, the adult hard-core and illegal porn is left UNPROSECUTED.
Justice Department spokesman John Russell said the emphasis is on child
exploitation "because Attorney General Janet Reno wants it there. That is
where our money and manpower are directed."

"President Clinton is a total supporter of the (porn) industry, and he's
always been on our team," David Schlessinger of the adult-oriented Vivid
Videos told TV Guide. "It's not that Clinton has been outwardly supportive
of the adult industry, but rather that he hasn't tried to quash it the way
republicans did in the 1980s." The Times said that Clinton UNEXPECTEDLY
OPPOSED the Child On-Line Protection Act (giving children some protection
from Internet smut) during September and early October, 1998, but finally
did sign the Act into law as one of the LAST items agreed to in the recent
omnibus spending bill that passed at the end of the 105th Congress.

And since Flynt markets porn videos, he would have interest in the Free
Speech Coalition desire to mainstream the multi-billion-dollar adult
entertainment industry. The Los Angeles Times reported that the Coalition
also filed suit against the Reno Justice Department, CHALLENGING a law that
prohibits the production of simulated child pornography. For they felt the
Child Pornography Prevention Act could brand even R-rated films as obscene.
The L.A. Times cited a California legislator who branded the suit as
"turning perversion into politics."

Is Mr. Flynt blackmailing United States congressmen in order to force a
censure/adjournment? Is he bribing Mr. Clinton to avert a prison sentence
from his porn trial? Will the Senate permit Mr. Clinton to offer
"information" provided by taxpayer-funded lawyers/private investigators and
undisclosed illegal possession of confiscated FBI files? And is "senatorial
fear" a factor facing our sanctimonious symbols of sagacity as they
contemplate possible individual "indiscretions" and why it might be better
to bring the boy-president's trial to a speedy conclusion with
censure--presidential felonies or not.

Democrats will have a choice between facing voters in 2000 as the
pro-perjury party if they choose to acquit; but worse, a conviction risks
liberal wrath at the polls. Republicans have relatively little to fear
unless they have majority moderate-liberal constituencies, have presidential
aspirations OR 

Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #3

1999-09-03 Thread Kris Millegan

 -Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 9/3/99 12:57:42 PM, you wrote:

# JFK Dallas Fatal Shot From Storm Drain? [photo] "While standing on the 'X'
  which marks JFK's position at the time of the fatal head shot, my associ-
  ate was also 'stooping down' to the approximate height of JFK's eye level
  while riding in the limousine." http://sightings.com/politics4/drain.htm

: Where were you when you shot JFK? How have you managed to shake all your
pursuers? Were you killed afterward to keep you from revealing the truth??

 Yes, there was a shooter in the drain, there were at least 26 shooters on
site that day.
Om
K

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Re: [CTRL] The Australian

1999-09-03 Thread K

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On 3 Sep 99, at 17:06, Bill Richer wrote:

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 Dear Friends:
   Has The australian web page moved or has it been removed?  I get
 following message:

 Directory Listing Denied
 This Virtual Directory does not allow contents to be listed.

 At http://www.theaustralian.com.au/home/


Try this one:


http://www.news.com.au/mastheads/frame_loader.htm?aus

or just

http://www.news.com.au



Kathleen


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concealing evidence that they ever existed." --
Dwight David Eisenhower

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[CTRL] Toward the Total State

1999-09-03 Thread Bill Richer

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Toward the Total State
by William Norman Grigg


Has the left won America’s culture war? Some observers, including political
organizer Paul Weyrich (who coined the term "moral majority"), appear to
think so. For many Americans who cherish our nation’s traditions of
individual freedom, limited government, and personal moral responsibility,
the Clinton impeachment melodrama abounded in evidence that America has
undergone a dramatic transformation.

If one were to credit the ubiquitous opinion polls and the outpourings of
the "mainstream" media, the American people were nearly unanimous in their
support for President Clinton, despite his ongoing personal depravity and
his willingness to abuse both the powers of his office and the institutions
of our judicial system in order to retain his position as the nation’s chief
executive. The only holdouts were to be found among the "religious right,"
which — according to the custodians of "respectable" opinion — is a
marginalized group unworthy of political influence.

While the outcome of impeachment was largely a product of the gangland
tactics (including blackmail and character assassination) employed by the
Clinton Administration against its opponents, as well as the institutional
cowardice of the Senate, there is no doubt that America’s culture has
undergone a dramatic transformation — a transformation engineered by the
radical left. Writing in the Winter 1996 issue of the Marxist journal
Dissent, Michael Walzer enumerated some of the cultural victories won by the
left since the 1960s:

• "The visible impact of feminism."

• "The effects of affirmative action."

• "The emergence of gay rights politics, and … the attention paid to it in
the media."

• "The acceptance of cultural pluralism."

• "The transformation of family life," including "rising divorce rates,
changing sexual mores, new household arrangements — and, again, the
portrayal of all this in the media."

• "The progress of secularization; the fading of religion in general and
Christianity in particular from the public sphere — classrooms, textbooks,
legal codes, holidays, and so on."

• "The virtual abolition of capital punishment."

• "The legalization of abortion."

• "The first successes in the effort to regulate and limit the private
ownership of guns."

Significantly, Walzer admitted that these victories were imposed upon our
society by "liberal elites," rather than being driven "by the pressure of a
mass movement or a majoritarian party." These changes "reflect the leftism
or liberalism of lawyers, judges, federal bureaucrats, professors, school
teachers, social workers, journalists, television and screen writers — not
the population at large," noted Walzer. Rather than building "stable or
lasting movements or creat[ing] coherent constituencies," the left focused
on "winning the Gramscian war of position."

While most Americans would be mystified by Walzer’s reference to Italian
Communist theoretician Antonio Gramsci, those who wish to understand the
ongoing culture war must first have some understanding of the Gramscian
concept of the "long march through the institutions." The process described
by Walzer, in which the cultural and bureaucratic organs of our society have
fallen under the influence of "progressive" forces devoted to transforming
our nation, is derived directly from Gramsci’s blueprint for Marxist
subversion. Gramsci’s distinctive insight, as we will shortly see, was that
the construction of the total state requires the seizure of the "mediating
institutions" that insulate the individual from the power of the
government — the family, organized religion, and so forth — and a systematic
redefinition of the culture in order to sustain the new political order.

That process is well underway in our nation — and if it is consummated,
Americans will learn that the culture war is a deadly serious effort to
destroy the institutions and traditions that have protected Americans from
the horrors of the total state.


"The scientific concept of dictatorship," wrote Soviet dictator Vladimir
Lenin, "means nothing else but this: power without limit, resting directly
upon force, restrained by no laws, absolutely unrestricted by rules." Benito
Mussolini’s totalitarian formula was even more concise: "Everything within
the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state." Whatever
its specific configuration or ideological pretext, the total state always
requires that all human activities be made subject to its power. But to
exercise that power, the total state relies, to a remarkable extent, on the
cooperation of its victims.

No matter how vast the instrumentality of coercion or how vicious the
intentions of the ruling elite, the masters of the total state are always
dramatically outnumbered by their victims. No army of occupation is large
enough to exercise total control over a tyrannized population; no secret

[CTRL] Why the Canisters surfaced NOW after six years.

1999-09-03 Thread Nurev Ind Research

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9/3/99

It's a rear guard defense to prevent this federal judge from getting
his hands on the evidence for the lawyers in the upcoming trial.

The canisters don't actually prove anything other than that there
was some sort of cover-up. Enough for an investigation by reliable
flunkies to tie up the real evidence at least until after the next
elections.

The " neutral " party the DOJ wants to turn the evidence over to for
investigation is the ex-Senator from Missouri, Danforth. One of the
corporate ruling elite through his family who own(ed?) Ralston Purina.

Danforth is an ordained minister, and will be presented as squeaky
clean. He is ( was?) CFR and a member of the Trilateral Commission
when that was an important organization.

This tactic is standard operating procedure for a cover-up that only
has the appearance of a public inquiry. Here are some of the most
recent successes.

Clinton/ Lewinsky Scandal - Successfully distracted the public and a
cowardly corporate Press from a serious investigation of high governmental
treason by BOTH parties in the transfer of high tech weaponry information
to the Chinese.

Iran/ Contra Scandal - Successfully distracted the public and an overly
compliant Press from focussing on the secret movement of drugs, money, and
arms by America's covert operators and war industry.

" Once a Joke,
  Twice a Dope."

Joshua2

==
JUDGE TELLS THE G TO TURN OVER ALL WACO EVIDENCE OR ELSE

A federal judge Thursday ordered government lawyers to turn over all
evidence from the Branch Davidian compound siege to his court by Oct. 1 or
face contempt charges.

The order issued by Judge Walter Smith of Waco comes in response to a U.S.
Justice Department motion this week challenging his authority to take
control of evidence.

Smith next month is scheduled to begin hearing a wrongful death lawsuit
filed against the government by Branch Davidians who survived the April 1993
federal raid on their compound.

The Texas Department of Public Safety had requested that Smith take control
of Davidian evidence it was holding for the Justice Department, saying it
thought the agency was being used by the federal government to keep evidence
from public scrutiny.

Smith said U.S. Attorney Bill Blagg, whose jurisdiction includes Waco, must
appear before him on Oct. 1 to explain why the government should not be held
in contempt if it doesn't comply with his order.

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/Sept1999/090399/waco090399.htm


LET'S GO TO THE AUDIOTAPE

Transcript of radio traffic intercepted by FBI surveillance aircraft on
April 19, 1993, above the Branch Davidian compound near Waco, Texas,
reflecting the request for and approval of military tear-gas canisters.

Stephen P. McGavin, Supervisory Special Agent, Hostage Rescue Team (HR2):
(unintelligible) supplying Charlie 1 (unintelligible) with relative safety
utilizing the vehicle for cover and attempt to get (unintelligible)
penetrate the construction project.

Richard M. Rogers, Assistant Special Agent in Charge, Hostage Rescue Team
(HR1): You're talking about the block over top the construction?

McGavin: Say again, HR 1.

Rogers: Are you saying he can penetrate the block covering over the
construction on the green side?

McGavin: Ten-four. He thinks he can get into position with relative safety
utilizing the track for cover and attempt to penetrate it with military
rounds.

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/Sept1999/090399/fbitape090399.htm

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[CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #4

1999-09-03 Thread ric carter

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SkeptiNews 990903d - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
: Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning.
: No Reptilioids fornicated here during the production of this bulletin.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Brazil fires spread south. (BBC) Forest fires in Brazil are still raging
  out of control, and have spread further south, following little or no
  recent rainfall  low humidity in the area. Severe atmospheric pollution:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_437000/437017.stm

: Which forest fires result from weather-control experiments gone bad? Which
are deliberately set from orbital power stations? Which are terrorism? Why?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ THE PINEAL GLAND OF THE BRAIN. Have you ever heard the story in the Book
  of Daniel of Daniel in the Lions Den, and Shedrach, Mesach and Abednigo in
  the furnace? Daniel was delivered by the Lion. Shedrach Mesach  Abednigo
  were joined by the fourth person (God /Spirit) through the fire of the
  furnace. In your body the Pineal Gland is Leo or the Lion, and the Fornix
  of the brain is the vault or furnace. In the universe the Pineal Gland is
  now displayed by Supernova 1987a which is presently on fire. If you will
  look at a picture of it you will clearly see the center green single eye
  which is on fire. http://www.hiddenmeanings.com/guests.html#BRAIN

: Is your brain afire? Does it smoke with desire? Is that why you perspire?
Is your pineal gland an alien implant? Is Supernova 1987a an alien implant?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Francophone leaders in human rights row. (BBC) The biennial summit of
  the community of French-speaking nations, La Francophonie, is being
  overshadowed by a row concerning human rights abuses. Froggishness:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/africa/newsid_437000/437025.stm

# Also: French's battle for Web space - lacking critical mass:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_437000/437453.stm
@ Links - Amnesty International (in English): http://www.amnesty.org/
@ La Francophonie (in French): http://www.francophonie.org/oif.cfm

: Is French conducive to human-rights violations? Was French engineered for
atrocities? What other languages, if any, are more appropriate for mayhem?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ NAZI-UFOs-NWO-ANTI-CHRIST - What about UFOs? Are UFOs from another planet?
  Are we being visited by Aliens from another planet? Are they manifested
  demons? Could it be that they are just products of hidden technology much
  like the stealth bomber and the U-2 spy jet? Could it be part of a grand
  plan for a New World Order? See: aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:545132

: Do you work for the NWO? Have you built/piloted/stolen any UFOs? Are you
demonic, alien, intelligent, good-looking, lonely? Will you harvest us soon?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Pole-Shift-a-Rama:

@ Pole Shift links: http://sites.netscape.net/gsussnzl/links

% Triggers and Precursors:
@ Star of Bethlehem: 5-5-2000
  http://web.vip.at/calendersign/english/starofbeth.htm
@ Antarctic Almanac: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/warnings/almanac.html
@ 1998: Hottest Year on Record: http://gsreport.com/articles/art09.html

% The Theory:
@ Gravity Wave Phenomena: http://t-link.net/~aquarius/gwrphome/technic.htm
@ Punctuated versus Gradual: http://www.monmouth.com/~bcornet/pictures.htm
@ The Creation Concept: http://www.sentex.net/~tcc/index.html

% Survival:
@ A Guide for Surviving the Millennium: http://www.mrr2001.com/

% The Alternatives:
@ Global Warming: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/warnings/waterworld/
@ Illuminati News: http://www.islandnet.com/~persewen/illum_index.htm
@ Online Illuminati Mind Control Book:
  http://mercury.spaceports.com/~persewen/table_of_contents.htm
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Royal-Rife-A-Rama:

@ Royal Rife Research Society: HIV, CancerCure, AlternativeHealthCare, Aids,
  Rife, Generator, Arthritis, Diabetes, Pain, Disease: http://rrrs.com/

@ Royal Rife Index: Royal Rife, Royal Raymond Rife, Rife frequency instrum-
  ent, Rife beam ray, Rife frequency generator, R.R. Rife, radient beam ray,
  EMEM2 units, Enhancer units, zapper, and other kinds of bio-electronic
  equipment, BX virus: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/healthbal

@ Dr. Royal Rife Home Page Index: http://www.royalrife.com/
@ Rife Technology Conference: http://www.kalamark.com/rife_conference/
@ Links to Rife and Rife-Bare sites: http://www.dfe.net/links_rb.html

@ Royal Raymond Rife links: Jim Bare's Rife Technologies Homepage - Robert
  Cathey Research Source Horizon Technology - RoyalRaymondRife - Royal Rife
  Research Society - The Batyah Project - The Internation Rife Conference -
  Left Coast Radiostocks:  http://www.coaxkid.com/rifelinks.htm

@ Magnetic Therapy: MT has been used for centuries. What is modern day MT?
  The Diapulse machine uses pulsed, high-frequency electromagnetic waves
  and has greatly 

Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #3

1999-09-03 Thread Ric Carter

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- Original Message -
From: Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 # JFK Dallas Fatal Shot From Storm Drain? [photo]
   http://sightings.com/politics4/drain.htm
 
 : Where were you when you shot JFK? How have you managed to shake
   all your pursuers? Were you killed afterward to keep you from
   revealing the truth??

 Yes, there was a shooter in the drain, there were at least 26
 shooters on site that day.

Think: preparedness.

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[CTRL] FW: [RKBA!] offer of assistance re. homeschooling

1999-09-03 Thread Bard

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Bard


-Original Message-
From: Craig M  Ronda K. Foster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 03, 1999 2:54 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [RKBA!] PARENTS! Remove your child from public
schools-Don't re-enroll in Fall.


From: "Craig M  Ronda K. Foster" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To All:
This Mom And Dad did check it out,  after sending 2 children through the
public
school system a few years back and finding out(mostly after the fact ) that
all
this and more is actually going on in the school systems We are now
Homeschooling
are 2 younger children.  It is a wonderful and enjoyable experience,  I
don't
spend anymore time teaching than I use to spend aiding with homework and
don't
have to spend the time "UNteaching" the garbage they would have learned in
school.
I can assist in links on Homeschooling and would gladly answer any questions
anyone has that is considering it.
 (altough I will be gone away from the computor a couple of days.)
Ronda


Bard wrote:

 From: "Bard" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Folks, Don't have your Children accuse you of not providing them with the
 best Education available.
 Our public schools breed violence, crime, and sexual dysfunction.
 Do what is best for your child and start the process of finding out about
 HomeSchooling
 by checking out some of these Sites:
 (have you checked with your child to see if the public school is doping
your
 child
 and/or forcing them to attend classes wherein alternative lifestyles are
 taught
 without your consent?)
 Do you feel you can't afford HomeSchooling?
 Get busy and search for a Site which will answer your concern.

 Provable Accusations against American Public Schools
 http://www.riverpup.com/brainwash/school2.html

 GO TO:

http://www.altavista.com/cgi-bin/query?pg=qkl=XXq=homeschoolingsearch=Sea
 rch
 for Links to Homeschooling.

 More Links to Homeschooling:
 http://search.yahoo.com/bin/search?p=homeschooling

 HomeSchool Association of California
 http://www.hsc.org/home.html

 "..both the NEA and the AFT promote policies that protect the jobs of
 incompetent or poor teachers at the expense of those who would improve the
 system."
 http://www.bretschundler.com/neapublicenemy.html

 -Original Message-
 From: Andre Traversa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 11:22 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [conservative] "Gay [homosexual] Awareness Film Sparks
 Debate" [1stGraders]

 From: Andre Traversa [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Rhianwen,
 Many people in america are doing precisely that. Home-schooling has grown
 by leaps and bounds. To answer your question, I don't know how common this
 kind of endorement is in public schools here, since I don't think there
 are available stats on what goes on in every classroom, there's so mch
 that goes unreported, so much that parents don't know. Man parents don't
 even know what cirricula are being used in their classrooms, but this is
 gtheir own fault, and they should take the tme to find out.
 Andre

 On Thu, 2 Sep 1999, [iso-8859-1] Rhianwen wrote:

  From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rhianwen?= [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
  As you guys may know, I don't live in the US, so I am
  a little concerned. Is this endorsement of homosexual
  ideals very common in schools there? 3rd grade seems a
  little young to be talking about that sort of thing :(
 
  If this happened here, I would home school.
 
  Rhianwen
  ===
 From: "Bard" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Gay Awareness Film Sparks Debate
 By Martha Irvine
 Associated Press Writer
 Tuesday, August 31, 1999; 12:30 p.m. EDT

 CHICAGO (AP) -- Third-graders in New York are seen debating the idea of
gay
 marriage. Eighth-graders in San Francisco are heard firing questions at a
 gay man and a lesbian who visit their classroom.

 Storytime for first- and second-graders at a school in Cambridge, Mass.,
is
 shown to include the book ``Asha's Mums'' about a little girl who has two
 lesbian mothers.

 All are excerpts from a controversial documentary, ``It's Elementary:
 Talking About Gay Issues in School,'' which first caused a stir when
several
 public television stations decided to air it this summer.

 Now it's being used by many school districts nationwide as a training tool
 for teachers -- unifying what some say is a growing move to incorporate
gay
 and lesbian issues into school curriculums.

 Critics say talk about such issues belongs at home. But others argue it's
a
 matter of dealing with issues that students already see every day in
 newspapers, on television, in movies -- and maybe even in their own
 communities or classrooms.

 ``Both schools and families have to address the issue somehow because it's
 there -- and it's not going back into the closet,'' said Tony D'Augelli, a
 psychologist at Penn State's College of Health and Human Development.

 Chicago school officials -- who stress that ``It's Elementary'' will not
be
 shown to students -- said last week that the district's 589 principals
would
 view the film 

Re: [CTRL] FW: Homeopathy

1999-09-03 Thread Dave

 -Caveat Lector-

ug.   your mind control programming is showing.

If you actually possess independant thinking capability, try using it
instead of knee-jerking with establishment science-to-order fallacies.

What doesn't "test out" is the entire pharmaceutical medical paradigm.
The whole structure is designed to extract maximum dollars from minimally
functional overmedicated worker-drones.

If you won't bother to do any research- and have only your immediate
reactionary programmed response- why bother posting it to a list where
people are using their minds to explore all the possibilities?

You're just using up bandwidth.


Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
http://www.ioa.com/~davehart


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From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Ric Carter
Sent: Friday, September 03, 1999 11:51 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [CTRL] FW: Homeopathy


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- Original Message -
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Homeopathy

Unfortunately, homeopathy doesn't "test-out", ie, it doesn't work.
Lots of marketing, lots of theory, no substance.  Bother.

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[CTRL] FW: FCC Mandates New Telephone Surveillance Features

1999-09-03 Thread Dave

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forwarded...

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CONTENTS:
 (1) FCC Mandates New Telephone Surveillance Features
 (2) Turning Cell Phones Into Tracking Devices; Other Features
 (3) Packet Switching - CALEA's Sleeper Issue
 (4) CDT Examines Appeal
 (5) Subscription Information
 (6) About the Center for Democracy and Technology

 ** This document may be redistributed freely with this banner intact **
 Excerpts may be re-posted with permission of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 This document is also available at:
 http://www.cdt.org/publications/pp_5.21.html
 ___

 (1) FCC MANDATES NEW TELEPHONE SURVEILLANCE FEATURES

 On Friday, August 27, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC)
ordered
 the nation's telephone companies to modify their switching equipment to
 provide more information to government agencies conducting electronic
 surveillance.  The Commission largely rejected privacy concerns and
aligned
 with the Federal Bureau of Investigation, which had sought the enhanced
 monitoring capabilities under the 1994 Communications Assistance for
Law
 Enforcement Act (CALEA).

 The decision was the latest step in a long-running struggle over the
 surveillance potential of communications technology. CALEA was enacted
in
 1994 after the FBI complained to Congress that new digital technology
and
 other advanced services would soon make it impossible to carry out
wiretaps
 and other electronic surveillance.  The FBI originally sought direct
 control over phone system design.  Congress refused to grant the Bureau
 that kind of power, but adopted CALEA with the intent of balancing law
 enforcement, privacy and industry interests.  Congress made it clear
that
 CALEA was intended to preserve but not enhance government monitoring
 capabilities.  The Act left design decisions to the telephone
industry,
 subject to FCC review.

 However, soon after CALEA was enacted, the FBI began insisting on very
 specific surveillance features, including some never before available
to
 the government.  After industry worked with law enforcement agencies to
 draft technical standards to put CALEA into effect, the FBI claimed the
 industry plans did not go far enough and petitioned the FCC to order
 additional, specific surveillance features.  CDT claimed that the
industry
 plan failed to protect privacy and opposed the FBI's add-ons.
 _

 (2) TURNING CELL PHONES INTO TRACKING DEVICES; OTHER FEATURES

 The most immediately disturbing element of the FCC's ruling was its
 requirement that cellular and other wireless phone companies provide
the
 capability to identify where their customers are at the beginning and
end
 of every call, effectively turning wireless phones into tracking
devices.
 In 1994, FBI Director Louis Freeh testified twice before Congress that
 CALEA did not cover this kind of location information.  While many
cellular
 systems already have some ability to locate callers, CDT argued to the
FCC
 that this should not be a mandatory element of system design.  CDT was
 concerned that, as the technology evolves, the FBI is likely to seek
more
 and more precise location information.  The FCC ignored the legislative
 history and rejected CDT's concerns

 In addition, for both wireline and wireless systems, the FCC ruled that
 six other specific surveillance features sought by the FBI were
required by
 CALEA. One of the six requires carriers to ensure that the government
will
 be able to continue listening to those on a conference call after the
 criminal suspect has dropped off the call. Another add-on guarantees
the
 government access to credit card numbers and bank account data
generated
 when a user punches numbers on a telephone. Other add-ons ensure
government
 access to the detailed signaling information generated in connection
with
 calls, information that law enforcement would obtain under a legal
standard
 lower than the one required to conduct a wiretap. CDT and the telephone
 industry had argued that none of these items was required by CALEA.

 Carriers are currently required to comply with most aspects of CALEA,
 including the location mandate, by June 30, 2000.  The other features
 required by the FCC last week must be available to the government by
 September 30, 2001.

 _

 (3) PACKET SWITCHING - CALEA'S SLEEPER ISSUE

 One CALEA issue of immense importance has received little press
attention:
 how to conduct electronic surveillance in packet environments.  Packet
 technology, until recently used mainly on the Internet, breaks
 communication into many small packets, each consisting of some
addressing
 information and some content.  For efficiency's sake, the packets may
be
 transported by various routes, and are reassembled at their intended
 destination to create a 

Re: [CTRL] Spider Warning - cannot confirm

1999-09-03 Thread William Shannon

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In a message dated 9/3/99 2:14:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

  I'm told this isn't a joke.  Take it or leave it!: 


It might not be a joke but it's BS, and nothing more


 According to an article by Dr. Beverly Clark, in the Journal of the
United
Medical Association (JUMA)


No such Journal OR association...


 3 women in Chicago, turned up at hospitals over a 5 day period, all
with the
same symptoms.
 Fever, chills, and vomiting, followed by muscular collapse, paralysis,
and
finally, death. There were no outward signs of trauma.  Autopsy results
showed toxicity in the blood.


I'm in Chicago, this hasn't been reported


It was discovered, however, that they had all visited the same
restaurant
(Big Chappies, at Blare Airport), within days of their deaths.


Blare Airport??? Where the  is that???


Another internet urban legend.


Bill.

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Re: [CTRL] Why the Canisters surfaced NOW after six years.

1999-09-03 Thread ASu2431426

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Danforth ?

The same old gamea Blue Ribbon Committee cover up.

Can you post more information on Danforth ?

Waco murdered everyday citizens ..(plus  26 kids)lets have a couple of
everyday citizens on the Committee..

This is supposed to be "government by the people".

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[CTRL] Earthquake In Illinois

1999-09-03 Thread William Shannon

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In a message dated 9/2/99 4:06:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

 Great.  Another upstate, Chicagoland hoosier opinion.  I wish Chicago would
 secede and get it's tax burden off our backs.

 --
 Mark McHugh

 One Step Beyond! 


Hey friend, we agree! Take a 30 mile chunk of land from the lake out call US
Illinois, and the rest of the crud can argue boundries...North Kentucky, East
Iowa and West Indiana...BIG LOSS!
Please just do it, and take you're backwards ways w/ ya'!!!  We'll be A-OK
with our healthy tax base and intelligencia!
Keep your damn farm reports off OUR airwaves though...Jamming ALWAYS an
option


Bill.
Thanks to YOU people we have a BUMPKIN as a Senator! You take him!

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Re: [CTRL] FW: Homeopathy

1999-09-03 Thread William Shannon

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Homeopathy: The Ultimate Fake
Stephen Barrett, M.D.
Homeopathic "remedies" enjoy a unique status in the health marketplace: They
are the only category of quack products legally marketable as drugs. This
situation is the result of two circumstances. First, the 1938 Federal Food,
Drug, and Cosmetic Act, which was shepherded through Congress by a
homeopathic physician who was a senator, recognizes as drugs all substances
included in the Homeopathic Pharmacopeia of the United States. Second, the
FDA has not held homeopathic products to the same standards as other drugs.
Today they are marketed in health-food stores, in pharmacies, in practitioner
offices, by multilevel distributors [A], through the mail, and on the
Internet.

Basic Misbeliefs
Samuel Hahnemann (1755-1843), a German physician, began formulating
homeopathy's basic principles in the late 1700s. Hahnemann was justifiably
distressed about bloodletting, leeching, purging, and other medical
procedures of his day that did far more harm than good. Thinking that these
treatments were intended to "balance the body's 'humors' by opposite
effects," he developed his "law of similars" -- a notion that symptoms of
disease can be cured by extremely small amounts of substances that produce
similar symptoms in healthy people when administered in large amounts. The
word "homeopathy" is derived from the Greek words homoios (similar) and
pathos (suffering or disease).

Hahnemann and his early followers conducted "provings" in which they
administered herbs, minerals, and other substances to healthy people,
including themselves, and kept detailed records of what they observed. Later
these records were compiled into lengthy reference books called materia
medica, which are used to match a patient's symptoms with a "corresponding"
drug.

Hahnemann declared that diseases represent a disturbance in the body's
ability to heal itself and that only a small stimulus is needed to begin the
healing process. He also claimed that chronic diseases were manifestations of
a suppressed itch (psora), a kind of miasma or evil sprit. At first he used
small doses of accepted medications. But later he used enormous dilutions and
theorized that the smaller the dose, the more powerful the effect -- a notion
commonly referred to as the "law of infinitesimals." That, of course, is just
the opposite of the dose-response relationship that pharmacologists have
demonstrated.

The basis for inclusion in the Homeopathic Pharmacopeia is not modern
scientific testing, but homeopathic "provings" conducted during the 1800s and
early 1900s. The current (ninth) edition describes how more than a thousand
substances are prepared for homeopathic use. It does not identify the
symptoms or diseases for which homeopathic products should be used; that is
decided by the practitioner (or manufacturer). The fact that substances
listed in the Homeopathic Pharmacopeia are legally recognized as "drugs" does
not mean that either the law or the FDA recognizes them as effective.

Because homeopathic remedies were actually less dangerous than those of
nineteenth-century medical orthodoxy, many medical practitioners began using
them. At the turn of the twentieth century, homeopathy had about 14,000
practitioners and 22 schools in the United States. But as medical science and
medical education advanced, homeopathy declined sharply in America, where its
schools either closed or converted to modern methods. The last pure
homeopathic school in this country closed during the 1920s [1].

Many homeopaths maintain that certain people have a special affinity to a
particular remedy (their "constitutional remedy") and will respond to it for
a variety of ailments. Such remedies can be prescribed according to the
person's "constitutional type" -- named after the corresponding remedy in a
manner resembling astrologic typing. The "Ignatia Type," for example, is said
to be nervous and often tearful, and to dislike tobacco smoke. The typical
"Pulsatilla" is a young woman, with blond or light-brown hair, blue eyes, and
a delicate complexion, who is gentle, fearful, romantic, emotional, and
friendly but shy. The "Nux Vomica Type" is said to be aggressive, bellicose,
ambitious, and hyperactive. The "Sulfur Type" likes to be independent. And so
on. Does this sound to you like a rational basis for diagnosis and treatment?

The "Remedies" Are Placebos
Homeopathic products are made from minerals, botanical substances, and
several other sources. If the original substance is soluble, one part is
diluted with either nine or ninety-nine parts of distilled water and/or
alcohol and shaken vigorously (succussed); if insoluble, it is finely ground
and pulverized in similar proportions with powdered lactose (milk sugar). One
part of the diluted medicine is then further diluted, and the process is
repeated until the desired concentration is reached. Dilutions of 1 to 10 are
designated by the Roman numeral X (1X = 1/10, 3X = 1/1,000, 6X =

[CTRL] FW: FREEDOM Watch: Waco's smoking gun : 090399

1999-09-03 Thread Dave

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forwarded.

Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
http://www.ioa.com/~davehart


-Original Message-
From: Freedom Watch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 03, 1999 3:04 PM
To: Freedom Watch
Subject: FREEDOM Watch: Waco's smoking gun : 090399


+
FREEDOM Watch
A look at what's new on "Project FREEDOM."
( http://www.house.gov/paul/ )
+
Issued: Friday, September 3, 1999
+

The smoking gun
Waco revelations show true face of federal police
By US Rep. Ron Paul

For years the Clinton Administration, with their willing allies in Congress
and the mainstream press, have parroted the line that federal law
enforcement officials did nothing wrong in the Branch Davidian stand-off at
Waco. Anyone who questioned the government's official position was relegated
to being either a far-right extremist, a militia kook, or a follower of the
undeniably peculiar David Koresh.

It was just weeks after coming to Congress in 1997, while on a national
television program, that I was asked about the then-four-year-old case. I
responded with the position that the evidence was overwhelmingly strong that
everything was not as bureaucrats in the Clinton Administration claimed. I
cited recent polling data that indicated that most Americans simply did not
trust the government, and that a goodly number feared the increasingly
commonplace occurrence of federal agents taking violent action against
American citizens.

Almost immediately the defenders of big government, the administration and
the war on civil liberties launched into wild hysterics. I had committed the
unpardonable sin of believing the facts rather than the government spin,
which attempted to justify the murder of innocent children and untried,
uncharged adults.

The Attorney General and her minions in Congress maintained that the
conflagration had been a rash act of mass suicide, ignoring that just hours
before the raid those same people had requested their phone lines be
reconnected. They also ignored the infrared evidence that government agents,
as the fire was raging on one side of the house, were entering the home
through the back, and that tanks were injecting gases banned under
international treaties.

Now, though, even the most blind followers of the administration and its
policies are left stunned with revelations that high-ranking FBI officials
and others lied to Congress, hid evidence, broke the law and knowingly
subverted justice

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Re: [CTRL] Toward the Total State

1999-09-03 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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 Has the left won America’s culture war? Some observers, including
political
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 the Clinton impeachment melodrama abounded in evidence that America has
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Is it me, or have I read this material a dozen times in another life?  I
wouldn't mind, but there's lots of stuff to read, and I hate to spend all my
time on the same thing.  Perhaps a condensed version could be made available.
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Re: [CTRL] FW: Homeopathy

1999-09-03 Thread William Shannon

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 ug.   your mind control programming is showing.

 If you actually possess independant thinking capability, try using it
 instead of knee-jerking with establishment science-to-order fallacies.

 What doesn't "test out" is the entire pharmaceutical medical paradigm. 


It's pretty clear, oh (he thinks he's a) sage one, that homeopathy is in the
same urinal as chiropractic "care"and not EVERYTHING that science debunks
has merit.
Give it a rest...most people aren't THAT gullible...at least not north of
Kentucky!

Bill.

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[CTRL] : Homeopathy

1999-09-03 Thread ASu2431426

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Read  Michel Schiff  THE MEMORY OF WATER   (Homeopathy and the battle of
ideas in the new science)Published by Thorsons in England   1994.

You may have trouble buying it in the US.  Harper Collins told FTIR THE BOOK
WAS NOT TO BE IMPORTED.

On page 26 you will find the "second curve" based on the work of Dr Jacques
Benveniste. in Paris


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Re: [CTRL] Fw: Waco's Little Rock Connection

1999-09-03 Thread Theodor Parada, MD

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Does anyone recall that 3 of the 4 ATF agents that were assigned to Billie
Boy Clinton during his presidential campaign in 92, died in the waco
raid!!! what a coincidence! When it walks like a duck, and quacks like
a duck, it's a duck!!

 Waco's Little Rock connection
  September 3, 1999
  Joseph Farah
 
  Finally, there's some finger-pointing going on in the executive branch of the
  federal government over the exterminations of more than 70 men, women
  and children at the Branch Davidian church in Waco in 1993.
 
  It's about time. This is progress. But we won't be any closer to holding the
  guilty accountable until the White House connections are fully explored.
  There's ample reason to believe Bill Clinton was working behind the scenes
  on engineering the initial Waco raid even before he became president.
 
  One of the original witnesses against the Branch Davidians was Bill Buford,
  the agent in charge of the Little Rock, Ark., branch of the Bureau of Alcohol,
  Tobacco and Firearms. Buford was, also, according to Arkansas sources,
  a friend of Bill. The Waco case was apparently very important to Buford as
  an affidavit states he was working on New Year's Day calling former Branch
  Davidians seeking to find evidence of sexual abuse.
 
  My friend and colleague, Andy Beal, who first explored the Little Rock
  connection to Waco, asks a good question: What was the resident agent
  in charge of the Little Rock office of the BATF doing investigating a sex abuse
  case in Texas? Is sex abuse BATF's jurisdiction? Is Texas under the jurisdiction
  of the BATF's Arkansas office?
 
  Documents show Buford is noted as one of two "senior raid planners." He
  was also one of the BATF agents wounded during the Feb. 28 assault, but
  he is perhaps the only BATF agent to be visited in the hospital by none other
  than top Treasury Department official Roger Altman.
 
  Altman was the long-time "Friend of Bill" appointed to be deputy secretary
  of the Treasury and chief executive officer of the Resolution Trust Corporation.
  He resigned in August 1994 due to his interference in the Whitewater investigation.
  At the time of the Waco raid, Roger Altman was the second highest-ranking
  official at the Department of the Treasury. The BATF is a bureau within the
  Treasury Department.
 
  Is it not possible -- is it not likely, knowing what we know about the character
  of the Clinton administration today -- that the Clinton transition team was
  involved in the planning of the initial raid on Waco even before taking power?
  Remember, Vincent Foster's wife claimed he blamed himself for the deaths
  in Waco. Webster Hubbell, who became the point man between the Justice
  Department and White House during the siege, was also instrumental in
  that transition to power. Then there's Altman and Buford.
 
  Foster, Hubbell, Altman and Buford were all in Little Rock leading up to the
  inauguration. Clinton takes power Jan. 20, 1993. One month later, the BATF
  stages the largest and most dramatic raid in its history -- videotaped in living
  color in anticipation of its success in subduing religious non-conformists in
  possession of illegal guns.
 
  The injustice and illegality of the initial raid has still never been fully 
examined.
  Today the focus is on how and why the remaining occupants of the church
  building were exterminated in a fire. Yet, the equally puzzling question of why
  a dynamic and violent entry was necessary to serve a search warrant on
  David Koresh shortly after he went target shooting with officers of the BATF.
  The local sheriff offered to serve the warrant at the general store to avoid any
  confrontation. There was simply no need for all the deadly theatrics of the
  initial raid.
 
  The only reasonable explanation seems to be the one proffered by the
  documentary, "Waco: Rules of Engagement," which postulates that the
  raid was intended as a public relations effort by the BATF and a commercial
  for stricter gun control enforcement.
 
  There are many unanswered questions when it comes to Waco. But maybe
  now it's time to start asking some of the unasked questions.
 
  What was the involvement in Waco planning of key Clinton White House
  officials even before they took power? Was the Waco raid, in fact, cooked
  up as a publicity and political stunt by an incoming administration itching for
  drama and action? Is it possible that Clinton and his cronies bear even more
  responsibility than any of us imagine for this deadly escapade?


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Re: [CTRL] Fw: Waco's Little Rock Connection

1999-09-03 Thread ASu2431426

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Has anyone seen the original  search warrant?

Ive been asking this for five years with no answers.


ANTONY C SUTTON

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Re: [CTRL] Earthquake In Illinois

1999-09-03 Thread Ric Carter

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- Original Message -
From: William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  Great.  Another upstate, Chicagoland hoosier opinion.  I wish
  Chicago would secede and get it's tax burden off our backs. 

 Hey friend, we agree! Take a 30 mile chunk of land from the lake
 out call US Illinois, and the rest of the crud can argue boundries...
 North Kentucky, East Iowa and West Indiana...BIG LOSS! Please just
 do it, and take you're backwards ways w/ ya'!!!  We'll be A-OK
 with our healthy tax base and intelligencia! Keep your damn farm
 reports off OUR airwaves though...Jamming ALWAYS an option

What if Chicago seceded and nobody noticed?

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Re: [CTRL] Fw: Waco's Little Rock Connection

1999-09-03 Thread Ric Carter

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- Original Message -
From: Theodor Parada, MD [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 When it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck!!

Or it's an alien in a duck suit.

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[CTRL] Fwd: Re: Fwd: [CTRL] Waco, Vince Foster, and the Secret War 1/2

1999-09-03 Thread Kris Millegan





[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It has also been alleged by internet writers such as J. Orlin Grabbe that
 Vince Foster, the late White House Special Counsel, was involved in this

See the original Fostergate article by Jim Norman.

 scheme.  Supposedly Foster, a law partner of Hillary Clinton's, had for
 many years been an operative of the National Security Agency, and it had
 been under his supervision that PROMIS was modified for use by banks.

This is manifestly untrue.  PROMIS was modified by a team lead by
Michael Riconosciuto.  This modification took place in Maryland,
Arkansas, and California. I have never said Foster was involved in
the modification.

Orlin




[CTRL] Fwd: Re: Fwd: [CTRL] Waco, Vince Foster, and the Secret War 2/2

1999-09-03 Thread Kris Millegan





[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This money had come to Foster due to his involvement in what is now known
 as the October Surprise. Allegedly, Foster, acting under the auspices of
 George Bush and Casper Weinberger, had arranged for the transfer of nuclear
 launch codes to Israel, in return for their role in mediating the delayed
 release of the hostages in Iran.

This is starting to sound like deliberate disinformation.  Or else
somebody's been reading too much Sherman Skolnick.

Orlin




[CTRL] Ban Aid

1999-09-03 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

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... or if you don't have (m)any friends, well, just buy them!!!


From www.cato.org/dailys/08-25-99.html


 August 25, 1999

 Foreign Waste Disguised as Aid

 by Doug Bandow


 Doug Bandow is a senior fellow at the Cato Institute.

 The closer his term comes to an end, the more leftward President Clinton seems
 to move. In a speech before the Veterans of Foreign Wars, he urged Congress to
 approve his bloated foreign aid budget. Yet no one would benefit from throwing
 more money at programs which have consistently failed.

 Foreign assistance has always had strong defenders. They believed fistfuls of
 cash could buy political stability, spur social progress and eliminate poverty
 in the Third World.

 Alas, this strategy, backed by more than $1 trillion (adjusted for inflation)
 from the United States alone, has crashed and burned. In 1996, the UN declared
 that 70 countries, aid recipients all, were poorer than in 1980. An incredible
 43 were worse off than in 1970. Chaos, slaughter, poverty and ruin stalked Third
 World states, irrespective of how much foreign assistance they received.

 But aid advocates haven't given up. Mr. Clinton told the VFW that current
 programs are "designed to keep our soldiers out of war in the first place."
 Without money for the Balkans, he warned: "Make no mistake - there will be
 another bloody war." It's a superficially appealing argument. Alas, it simply
 isn't true.

 Between 1971 and 1994, Haiti received $3.1 billion and Somalia collected $6.2
 billion. Both nations ended up in chaos and under U.S. military occupation. In
 fact, most every country in crisis in recent years banked abundant "aid" over
 the same period. Sierra Leone received $1.8 billion, Liberia $1.8 billion,
 Angola $2.9 billion, Chad $3.3 billion, Burundi $3.4 billion, Rwanda $4.7
 billion, Uganda $5.8 billion, Zaire $8.4 billion, Mozambique $10.5 billion,
 Ethiopia $11.5 billion, and Sudan $13.4 billion.

 In no case did peace result. To the contrary, aid often fostered conflict,
 underwriting autocratic, venal dictators who impoverished their nations.

 Then there's Bosnia. President Clinton's speech was reported on the same day
 that the New York Times reported the results of an exhaustive international
 investigation of the $5.1 billion in aid provided to that nation since 1995.

 This money, too, was intended to prevent the resumption of conflict. Alas,
 reports Chris Hedges: "As much as a billion dollars has disappeared from public
 funds or been stolen from international aid projects through fraud."

 Western officials fear even discussing the problem lest it frighten away
 "international donors." As well it should. For instance, in 1999 $200 million
 has simply disappeared from the city of Tuzla's budget, on top of $300 million
 missing over the past two years. Aid agencies and foreign embassies lost $20
 million deposited in one Bosnian bank.

 The U.S. Agency for International Development established a $278 million
 revolving fund to jump-start local businesses. Hidrogradnja, one of Bosnia's
 largest firms, failed to repay $1 million in loans. The agency has sued 19
 companies that failed to repay more than $10 million worth of loans.

 The investigation was conducted by the anti-fraud unit of the Office of the High
 Representative - essentially the West's dictator in Bosnia. Officials have
 reportedly compiled a 4,000-page report and are investigating 220 cases of
 alleged corruption and fraud.

 Not surprisingly, the recipients of aid seem uninterested in prosecuting
 wrongdoers. The High Representative has formally barred 15 miscreants from
 office, but most, reports the Times, retain their influence. Bosnian President
 Alija Izetbegovic dismisses the High Representative's allegations.

 Of course, President Izetbegovic's son, Bakir, is reputed to be one of the
 richest men in Bosnia. Bakir Izetbegovic controls Sarajevo's City Development
 Institute, which determines who gets to occupy 80,000 public apartments. Members
 of the ruling party get preferential access, while average Bosnians complain
 they have to pay a $2,000 kickback.

 Western officials report that the younger Mr. Izetbegovic shares the extortion
 money extracted by Sarajevo gangsters from local businessmen. He also owns 15
 percent of state-controlled Bosnia Air.

 The problem is not just those who are stealing, but those who are paying. James
 Lyon, director of the Crisis Group, complains: "The international administrators
 beg, plead, cajole and in some cases engage in what looks like bribery,
 promising cities infrastructure projects if they allow some refugees to return."
 It should surprise no one if what looks like bribery ends up being treated like
 bribery.

 Alas, the experience of Bosnia is all too common. The venality of aid recipients
 such as the Philippines and Zaire was legendary. A new study from the National
 Bureau of Economic Research reports that more corrupt governments tend to
 

Re: [CTRL] Fw: Waco's Little Rock Connection

1999-09-03 Thread Jean Staffen

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There is a complete description of the warrant (but not a reproduction) in a
very poorly written, self-published book by Ron Cole of Longmont, Colorado
named "Sinister Twilight". The book, however, does have some good
information in it. E-Mail me privately and I'll give you two address to
write for copies of the book, if anyone is interested. Second edition came
out in 1994.

Jean

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Has anyone seen the original  search warrant?

Ive been asking this for five years with no answers.


ANTONY C SUTTON

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[CTRL] Waco Way Back When

1999-09-03 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

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From www.fas.org/2000/hr104749/index.html

 This is a Table of Contents, each numbered line of which is a
hot linque 



 INVESTIGATION INTO THE ACTIVITIES OF FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES TOWARD THE
 BRANCH DAVIDIANS

 THIRTEENTH REPORT
 by the
 COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT REFORM AND OVERSIGHT
 prepared in conjunction with the
 COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY
 together with
 additional and dissenting views
 August 2, 1996.--Committed to the Committee of the Whole House on the State of
 the Union and ordered to be printed




 Front Matter
 Executive Summary
 1.Introduction 2.The ATF Investigation 3.Planning and Approval of the Raid
 4.Raid Execution 5.Military Involvement in the Government Operations at Waco
 6.Negotiations To End the Standoff With the Davidians 7.The Attorney General's
 Decision to End the Stand-off 8.The Fire ADDITIONAL VIEWS OF HON. ILEANA
 ROS-LEHTINEN ADDITIONAL VIEWS OF HON. WILLIAM H. ZELIFF, JR. SUBMISSION BY HON.
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[CTRL] Waco Spin

1999-09-03 Thread William Shannon

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You want WACO SPIN???
How about Koresh was a pedophile, a Christian KOOK, and a fella' who REFUSED
a lawful inquiry...Some spin!!
Had this short-eyed christer simply COMPLIED with the request of the people
none of this would have happened...PERIOD!
Yes, it's a shame that Koresh SACRIFICED his spawn for no good reason...but
let us not deify this douche-bag...he's not worthy!

Bill.

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[CTRL] Fw: What's New for Sep 03, 1999

1999-09-03 Thread CobolMage

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WHAT'S NEW   Robert L. Park   Friday, 3 Sep 99   Washington, DC

1. SPY HYSTERIA: BUT WILL YOU STILL RESPECT ME IN THE MORNING?
"Safe sex" takes on an entirely different meaning under a new DOE
policy requiring employees who hold security clearances to report
any "close and continuing contacts" with foreigners from a list
of 25 sensitive countries.  In response to employee requests for
clarification of "close and continuing," one-night stands were
specifically exempted from the reporting requirements.  This
could be the biggest romantic turn-off since nipple piercing.

2. BUDGET: WHITE HOUSE GIVES SCIENCE TOP BILLING.  No one was
surprised that White House Chief of Staff John Podesta would use
a slow news week to promise a veto of Republican spending plans
and tax cut proposals.  The White House is spoiling for a fight.
What was remarkable was that, of all the issues he could have
used to justify a veto, he chose to devote his speech to the
impact on science funding. He quoted Allan Bromley's op-ed in
last week's Washington Post (WN 27 Aug 99): "Congress has lost
sight of the critical role science plays in American life." He
also lashed Congress for diverting almost $1B to earmarked
projects, "undermining the discipline of competition and peer
review and slashing funds for higher priority projects."  Even
James Sensenbrenner (R-WI), House Science Committee chair, while
charging the Administration with significantly overstating the
amount of money that can be made available for science, welcomed
the Administration to the cause of increased science funding.

3. NIF: DIRECTOR RESIGNS AMIDST TALK OF COST OVERRUNS.  Even as
DOE was undertaking a complete review of the National Ignition
Facility at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, the director
of the $1.2B project, Mike Campbell, resigned for "personal
reasons."  The announcement followed a blitz of anonymous faxes
revealing that Campbell had misrepresented himself as a PhD.  His
bio in the '95-'96 edition of American Men and Women of Science
claims a PhD in Applied Physics from Princeton in '77, but he had
no bio in earlier editions.  He is expected to lose his security
clearance.  He was named a Fellow of the APS in '88 and received
the APS Excellence in Plasma physics award in '90. The DOE review
of NIF is focusing on the causes of a rumored $300M cost overrun.

4. EVOLUTION: WAS THERE A KANSAS BEFORE THERE WERE PEOPLE?  The
Grace Dangberg Foundation was created in 1982 "to improve the
quality of history education."  Eight months ago, it proudly
announced that it was developing a new textbook on the history of
Kansas for seventh and eighth graders.  The book was to begin
with the rich fossil record of the inland sea that once covered
the state. That was before the Kansas School Board deleted Darwin
from the curriculum.  "You don't want to offend any group in
Kansas," the foundation's director said, explaining why the book
will now start with the arrival of native Americans.

THE AMERICAN PHYSICAL SOCIETY (Note: Opinions are the author's
and are not necessarily shared by the APS, but they should be.)

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[CTRL] (Fwd) NCPA Policy Digest 9-3-99

1999-09-03 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

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Subject:NCPA Policy Digest 9-3-99

National Center For Policy Analysis
DAILY POLICY DIGEST
Friday, September 3, 1999

PointCast can automatically load NCPA's Policy Digest summaries
on your desktop for easy reading.  For information go to
http://www.ncpa.org/pointcast.html

IN TODAY'S DIGEST

   o   LESS THAN ONE-THIRD OF DETROIT STUDENTS GRADUATE, but
   teachers are on strike over reforms...INVESTOR'S BUSINESS
   DAILY

   o   SUITS AGAINST MAKERS OF PRODUCTS USED BY CRIMINALS usually
   fail, say observersWALL STREET JOURNAL

   o   LESS THAN 30 PERCENT OF HOBBY FARMS ARE PROFITABLE, but
   owners have average annual incomes of $57,242, including
   taxpayer subsidiesHERITAGE FOUNDATION

   o   UNION CONTRACTS WITH PAY HIKES OF 2.7 PERCENT were
   negotiated in the first half of 1999, as labor seeks
   higher wagesWALL STREET JOURNAL

   o   SOFTWARE MARKETS ARE COMPETITIVE, says a new study, and
   Microsoft isn't a monopolyINDEPENDENT INSTITUTE

   o   CLEVELAND PUBLIC SCHOOLS MADE $118,473 FROM VOUCHERS IN
   1997, say analysts, since they received state payments for
   students in private schoolsBUCKEYE INSTITUTE

   o   COMPENSATING BEHAVIOR CAN NULLIFY SAFETY MEASURES, say
   expertsFORBES

IN TODAY'S NEWS

DETROIT TEACHERS BALK AT REFORMS

On Monday, the day before classes were scheduled to start, public
school teachers in Detroit voted to strike.  They are incensed by
what others describe as moderate reforms initiated by the city's
new school board.

The city's education system had failed so miserably that the
Michigan legislature ousted the city's elected school board last
March and empowered Mayor Dennis Archer to appoint a new board.

Here's how bad things had gotten:

   o   The graduation rate from Detroit's public schools had sunk
   to 29.7 percent -- compared to a statewide average of 76
   percent.

   o   Detroit students averaged 923 on the SAT -- whereas the
   Michigan average is 1,122, and the national average is
   1,016.

   o   The Detroit Free Press found that one in every seven of
   the city's teachers calls in sick on any given school day
   -- forcing the system to spend an extra $40 million a year
   on substitute teachers.

Here are the proposed reforms that have the teachers so upset:

   o   A longer school day and a longer school year.

   o   Changes in rules governing sick days -- which formerly saw
   the average Detroit teacher taking 10 of the 15 sick days
   they are allowed in the academic year.

   o   Merit pay which would give teachers up to $3,000 extra per
   year -- providing their attendance was good, they put in
   three years of merely satisfactory performance, they
   improved their own education and acquired national
   certification.

Observers say that the teachers also need a lesson in
competition, by initiating a voucher system there.

Source: Editorial, "The Lesson From Detroit," Investor's Business
Daily, September 3, 1999.

For more on Local  State Control of Schools
http://www.ncpa.org/pi/edu/edu11.html#b

IF GUN SUITS ARE SUCCESSFUL, OTHER TARGETS WILL POP UP

So far, 28 cities and counties have filed lawsuits against gun
manufacturers.  The gun industry is trying to have the suits
dismissed because manufacturers have rarely been found liable for
what criminals do with their products.

Local governments are hoping for a repeat of the states'
lucrative legal battle over tobacco.  So if gun makers go down to
defeat, lawyers are expected to haul manufacturers of other
products into court.

   o   The next targets could be manufacturers of sports cars
   which are capable of attaining unlawful and unsafe speeds,
   as well as distillers of alcohol who would be blamed for
   inciting criminal behavior.

   o   Experts say that the gun cases are based on the theory
   that the product was defective because someone used it to
   commit wrongful acts -- which would be stretching product
   liability beyond limits which have been accepted up to
   this time.

   o   Plaintiffs have sued the makers of air guns, carbon-
   dioxide cartridges, glue and even slingshots on criminal-
   misuse grounds -- without much success.

   o   Just weeks ago, the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals
   ruled that fertilizer makers couldn't be blamed for the
   World Trade Center bombing.

Some legal observers find it ironic that mayors of some cities
with high crime rates are seeking to avoid their own
responsibility for having their police departments maintain law
and safety by blaming the instrument instead.

"No industry can properly or legally have its own police force,"

Re: [CTRL] FW: Homeopathy

1999-09-03 Thread Sno0wl

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On 3 Sep 99, , William wrote:

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 Homeopathy: The Ultimate Fake
 Stephen Barrett, M.D.
 Homeopathic "remedies" enjoy a unique status in the health marketplace: They
 are the only category of quack products legally marketable as drugs. This
 situation is the result of two circumstances. First, the 1938 Federal Food,
 Drug, and Cosmetic Act, which was shepherded through Congress by a
 homeopathic physician who was a senator, recognizes as drugs all substances
 included in the Homeopathic Pharmacopeia of the United States. Second, the
 FDA has not held homeopathic products to the same standards as other drugs.
 Today they are marketed in health-food stores, in pharmacies, in practitioner
 offices, by multilevel distributors [A], through the mail, and on the
 Internet.

I really don't want to poke my nose into your debate, but when you find the right
homeopathic remedy for a symptom, it seems to work right away. I have found
homeopathic remedies exceedingly helpful for both myself and my pets. And I really
have no idea why they should work--but it appears to me, pragmatically, that they do,
when other more "traditional" alternatives" have failed me.

So far, I have used homeopathic remedies successfully for arthritic-like conditons,
colds, flues, and allergies and have found them remarkably effective. You do have to
experiment because they don't work until you find the "right" remedy. Then it works
almost instantly to relieve the conditon. My pharmacist is Indian, and while he spends
all day filling medical prescriptions, he carries a full line of herbal and homeopathic
remedies. For which I am very grateful.

I can't really argue with something that works. And no--I am not anti-science, although
I do believe the medical establishment is more involved with its own egos and profits
than with actually healing folks.

Latest word on the cutting edge--HIV has little or nothing to do with AIDS. It's HHV-6,
related to the herpes virus, which most of us carry, and which is usually dormant
within our systems, that is doing the real damage. HHV-6 is suspected of being the
active agent in MS and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome too. Virologists who are working on
this theory have been fighting the AIDS establishment for years to have their case
heard--while folks keep on dying. As Vonnegut said so pithily: So it goes.






sno0wl

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Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #3

1999-09-03 Thread Hilary A. Thomas

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--
 From: Ric Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #3
 Date: Friday, September 03, 1999 4:04 PM

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 - Original Message -
 From: Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  # JFK Dallas Fatal Shot From Storm Drain? [photo]
http://sightings.com/politics4/drain.htm
  
  : Where were you when you shot JFK? How have you managed to shake
all your pursuers? Were you killed afterward to keep you from
revealing the truth??
 
  Yes, there was a shooter in the drain, there were at least 26
  shooters on site that day.

And only 3 bullets made it to the car.  Man, that's some piss-poor
shooting!

Hilary

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Re: [CTRL] Waco Spin

1999-09-03 Thread K

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On 3 Sep 99, at 20:41, William Shannon wrote:

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 You want WACO SPIN???
 How about Koresh was a pedophile, a Christian KOOK, and a fella' who
 REFUSED a lawful inquiry...Some spin!! Had this short-eyed christer
 simply COMPLIED with the request of the people none of this would have
 happened...PERIOD! Yes, it's a shame that Koresh SACRIFICED his spawn
 for no good reason...but let us not deify this douche-bag...he's not
 worthy!

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Text book example of hate speech.



Pay your electric bill in pennies.

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[CTRL] On Kansas

1999-09-03 Thread William Shannon

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KATHA POLLITT
Weird Science
My first thought upon hearing that the Kansas state education board had
removed evolution from its mandatory curriculum was: Go ahead! Be like that!
Handicap your kids for life. Let the "secular humanists" have all the good
colleges and get all the good jobs. I know this was an unworthy
thought--Darwin's demotion was a political maneuver by Christian conservative
politicians, not a grassroots effort by Kansas parents, much less their
unfortunate children--but there you are. As a rootless cosmopolitan, I get
tired of being expected to pay homage to "the heartland" as the moral center
of the universe.

And creationism, honestly! In 1999! All summer, serious newspapers have felt
it necessary to publish casuistical Op-Eds by apologists for "creation
science"--and the Old Testament is the only biology textbook you really need,
these clever fellows forgot to add. What's going on? As Stephen Jay Gould
pointed out in Time, in no other Western country is the teaching of evolution
regarded as controversial. Throughout the world, one way or another, most
Christian denominations have managed to reconcile belief in God with belief
in the mechanisms of natural selection. A French or German or Scandinavian
politician who called for students to entertain as a reasonable deduction
from existing evidence the proposition that Earth is at most 10,000 years old
would be bundled off to a mental hospital.

Creation science is religion, no matter what its apologists say; let's start
from there. No one looking at the physical record would determine that
dinosaurs and humans coexisted, that fossils represent the creatures drowned
in Noah's flood and so on. The only way those notions would even occur to you
is if you considered the Bible an unerring historical document--but why would
you think that unless you accepted the Bible as divine revelation of factual
truth? The Topeka Capital-Journal asserted that "creationism is as good a
hypothesis as any." Because no human witnessed the beginning of life on
Earth, one guess is as good as another. Of course, a great deal of science
involves making inferences about phenomena no human has witnessed--the birth
of stars, the interior of the sun, subatomic particles. And, as one wag asked
in a letter to the New York Times, would creationists argue that the vast
majority of crimes, which occur unwitnessed, should not be prosecuted?

As Theodore Schick Jr. and Lewis Vaughn explain in their wonderful book How
to Think About Weird Things, the theory of evolution fulfills all the
scientific criteria of adequacy: It is falsifiable, it predicts, it leads to
further discoveries, it is conservative, and it fits what we already know.
That isn't to say a better theory might not come along someday, but it won't
be creationism, which fails all those tests in spades. To call creationism
science (or to call evolution religion, as National Review seemed to be doing
when it recently said Darwinism and creationism are equally "fundamentalist")
is to destroy the whole concept of science. After all, if the creationists
are right, not just biology must go but also geology, archeology,
astrophysics, physics; so must radiometric and carbon-14 dating. Indeed,
creationists should be protesting every natural history museum in the country
that uses public funds to promulgate the "secular humanist" doctrine of
geological time.

In a better world, science teachers would teach creationism along with
evolution as an exercise in critical thinking. But critical thinking is not
what creationists are interested in. Nor, so far, are the usual people who
love to weigh in on educational scandals. In fact, that's one of the most
interesting aspects of the creationism flap. Al Gore, who bills himself as
Mr. Science, finds himself unable to speak out on Kansas, saying that the
decision to teach evolution should be left to local school boards (the same
position taken by George W. Bush). And where are the doughty soldiers in the
science and education wars who profess to uphold standards and truth against
the irrationalist hordes? Where are the customary bemoaners of educational
"fads" and politicized curriculums--Michael Kelly, William Buckley, Bill
Bennett, Maureen Dowd? Sparring on ABC with a refreshingly rational George
Will, William Kristol said teaching creationism was understandable enough.

If, as so many commentators maintain, it's good for black students to read
Huckleberry Finn even if its use of the n-word in dialogue hurts their
feelings (and I would say it is good), why isn't it good for the children of
fundamentalists to study modern biology even if that unsettles their faith?
If standard biology is adequate to show that breast implants don't cause
autoimmune diseases, why is it useless to help us decide if eohippus is the
ancestor of the modern horse? The ferocious defenders of the scientific
method were quick to take to the word processor to congratulate Alan Sokal
when he 

Re: [CTRL] THE LAW and MIND CONTROL

1999-09-03 Thread Smart News

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The entire document is now available on-line at :
http://members.aol.com/smartnews/page5/NBpresentation99.htm

Sincerely,  Neil Brick

THE LAW and MIND CONTROL

A LOOK AT THE LAW AND GOVERMENT MIND CONTROL
THROUGH FIVE CASES

CIA VS SIMS
UNITED STATES VS STANLEY
ORLIKOW, ET AL VS UNITED STATES
KRONISCH VS UNITED STATES ET AL
HEINRICH, ET AL VS SWEET, ET AL

August 15, 1999

by,  HELEN L. McGONIGLE

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Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #3

1999-09-03 Thread Kris Millegan

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Not all were prime shooters nor were all at dealy plaza.

Om
K
-
In a message dated 9/3/99 5:03:50 PM, you wrote:

 From: Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]



  # JFK Dallas Fatal Shot From Storm Drain? [photo]

http://sightings.com/politics4/drain.htm

  

  : Where were you when you shot JFK? How have you managed to shake

all your pursuers? Were you killed afterward to keep you from

revealing the truth??

 

  Yes, there was a shooter in the drain, there were at least 26

  shooters on site that day.



And only 3 bullets made it to the car.  Man, that's some piss-poor

shooting!



Hilary

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