Re: [CTRL] (no subject)
-Caveat Lector- Judith Good idea! The only mind control case I know right now is the Lambros case. But Lambros is in Leavenworth and very difficult to deal with. I ran across another many years ago- Diana de le Vega...a CIA vicitm. This is only mind control ? We need "Government victims united"all those abused by Big Brother...CIA pilots, academics, whistle bllowers etc., ANTONY C SUTTON DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [Fwd: [ufonet] Ex-military man tells of training for alien contact]
-Caveat Lector- May I recommend Montauk -The Alien Connection by Stewart Swerdlow. Edited by Peter Moon.Sky Books. This is a very detailed life story of a man in US who was specially created as a hybrid of 22 alien species to be earth's ambassador to one of the universal ET Alliances.I believe there are 3 of these. Its one of the most amazing books I have ever read on wht the US Govt is doing with the ETs.It involves time travel and passing a soul into a babies body of their choosing. Nicky Stig Agermose wrote: From: Stig Agermose [EMAIL PROTECTED] Source: The Modesto Bee, http://www.modbee.com/metro/story/0,1113,101048,00.html Stig *** Ex-military man from the valley tells of training for alien contact By DENNIS ROBERTS BEE STAFF WRITER (Published: Monday, September 06, 1999) SAN MATEO -- Dan Sherman has decided to come out of the closet -- the UFO closet. Sherman, who was born in Sacramento and grew up in Central Valley towns from Yuba City to Turlock, has written a book about his experiences as an "intuitive communicator" for the U.S. Air Force. In "Above Black," Sherman claims he was recruited into an ultra-elite program -- "Project Preserve Destiny" -- whose members were trained to receive messages from aliens. Is Sherman bananas? You sure wouldn't know it to talk to him. He backs his testimony with apparently official Air Force duty papers bearing what he says are code designations for both black (super-secret) and gray projects -- the latter being projects related strictly to alien contact. Other than that -- as with most UFO reports -- you have to listen to him tell his story and decide for yourself. He sounds like a rational guy -- admits he doesn't know what the "big picture" was about his work and says the main way the government keeps secrets is by not letting one pawn know what the other is doing. One part he admits sounds far-fetched: Sherman says he was "genetically managed" from the womb to be an intuitive, and that his mother is unaware to this day that she was abducted by aliens for this experiment. Neither she nor his father has heard about what their son says he did for the last 2 1/2 years of his 12-year career in the military. Sherman's co-workers don't know, either. Well -- until now. His wife, Allison, believes him. Her family? They tread politely around the subject. Friends? "I give them a copy of the book and they're really excited, and then they never bring it up again," Allison said. It's no easy gig, Sherman says. "I don't want people to think I'm crazy. I want to live a fairly comfortable life. But it's a chance I have to take because somebody has to do it." Sherman's web address is http://www.above-black.com Copyright © The Modesto Bee. --- ONElist Sponsor ONElist: your connection to online communities. Bezoek ook eens de homepages van Ufo Werkgroep Nederland: http://www.xs4all.nl/~ufonet of http://ufonet.iwarp.com , Frontier Sciences Foundation http://www.f-s-f.com en stichting Actaeon http://www.actaeon.nl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Blue Beam Project Holography
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Nicola This is Norio Hayakawa. Here is an item that I am certain that you will be interest in. Please share this with everyone. (it has to do with Project Blue Beam): Be sure to watch the world premiere of a 2-hour special documentary, THE ROAD TO RAPTURE, which will be televised in the U.S. on A E this Thursday, September 9, 1999 (9 p.m. Eastern Time, 6 p.m. Pacific Time and also repeated at 1 a.m. Eastern Time, 10 p.m. Pacific Time). A E, presenting interesting and educational programs, is offered on most cable systems in the U.S. Here is what A E says about this fascinating and timely SPECIAL PRESENTATION: A HREF="http://www.aetv.com/viewers/premieres/9909rapture.html"AE: ESCAPE THE ORDINARY/A http://www.aetv.com/viewers/premieres/9909rapture.html (quote) The End Time. For thousands of years mankind has feared it - and searched for clues to its coming. This 2-hour A E SPECIAL PRESENTATION : THE ROAD TO RAPTURE reports that today, several books on the New York Times best seller list depict doomsday scenarios, that 80,000 people daily visit a website which posts the upcoming date of the Rapture. The Dream Project documents exact duplicates of nightmares about its advent, reported by strangers thousands of miles apart. When will the Rapture arrive? It is believed by some that in an instant millions of people will disappear from the face of the earth, shedding their clothing, shoes, eyeglasses and jewelry. They will have "Raptured" - that ecstatic moment when true believers are rewarded by being uplifted into heaven. Those left behind will have little time to contemplate the miracle. They will face bitter years of war and social chaos - the period of the Apocalypse and Armageddon that precedes the Second Coming of Christ, as predicted in the biblical Book of Revelation. (*this also depends on whether one believes in Pre-Trib, Mid-Trib or Post Trib Pre-Millennial Rapture) American cults are known to be stockpiling arms for the imminent battle between good and evil. Thousands have bought one-way tickets to Jerusalem on New Year's Eve 1999 to be there when the Rapture happens. Fascination with the Rapture has crossed over from Christian fundamentalist cults to mainstream popular media. This A E SPECIAL PRESENTATION: THE ROAD TO RAPTURE will explore the phenomenon from its biblical underpinnings to current popular trends, creating a fascinating portrait of mankind approaching the third millennium. PREMIERE: September 9 at 9 p.m./1 a.m. Eastern Time (6 p.m./10 p.m. Pacific Time) LENGTH: 2 hours PRODUCED BY: FilmRoos, Inc. for A E Network WORLD PREMIERE (TV G) (unquote) *Comments by Norio Hayakawa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): *From the standpoint of PSYOPS (Psychological Operations) "Mind-Control", the timing of the world premiere of this program cannot be better. There are many questions that remain: Will there be a real Rapture? (Count me in as a firm believer in it). At the same time, however, will there also be a "fake" Rapture that could be "staged" by the powers-that-be? (In the early 90s I had corresponded with Serge Monast of Canada who had first proposed his Project Blue Beam conspiracy scenario). Will there be a HOLOGRAPHIC "staging" of End-Time events to come? Are End-Time religious "CULTS" manipulated by global elitists to bring about a hidden agenda? Will some of the leading-edge technologies (such as the ones being developed at Groom Lake/AREA 51 in Nevada) play a role in such near-future scenarios? (for examples): A HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/groomwatch/myhomepage/profile.html"Military Use of Electrochromatic Panels/A http://www.hometown.aol.com/groomwatch/myhomepage/profile.html and A HREF="http://www.pufori.org/articles/pentagon_psyop.htm"Pentagon's new information War + PsyOps' Holographic Technology/A http://www.pufori.org/articles/pentagon_psyop.htm -Sincerely from Norio [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Monday #4 - Labor Night [U.S.]
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990906d - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. : No entropic mechanisms were reversed during production of this bulletin. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Probing mechanics of memory. WASHINGTON (UPI) New research has uncovered the flash of brain activity that allows people to store memories. German scientists have discovered a two-step process that encodes memory in the space of two seconds. Researchers describe tracking not the "footprints" of memory but the shadows of those footprints. Rhinal cortex, hippocampus: http://news.excite.com/news/u/990903/17/health-memory : Do your memories have footprints, shadows, reflections? Do you store the right memories? Are your memories misplaced, replaced, fragmented, molded? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Musical Code for 'Miracles' World Healing Found in Bible; Ancient Tones Intrigue Scientists, Musicians and Religious Scholars. SANDPOINT, Idaho. An ancient musical scale called Solfeggio, that according to authorities includes tones for "miracles" and possibly world healing, has been report- edly discovered in the Bible by an Idaho physician and minister of the gospel. The repeating six tones, electromagnetic frequencies, include the mathematical code recognized by experts to help repair damaged DNA -- the genetic blueprint of life. http://news.excite.com/news/pr/990902/books : Do you work miracles with music? Have you performed any musical miracles lately? Have you healed the world yet? Why not? Is the world worth healing? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ @ THE PLANET FINDERS. Amazing things have happened with the discovery of new planets. The discoveries have closely followed the movement of Kundalini energy through the spine giving rise to speculation that the universe is actually undergoing a cosmic kundalini which has culminated with the disc- overy of Supernova 1987a, the eye in the sky. And these discoveries have lined up strangely consistent with Biblical scripture. This is reasonable since both the astronomical and Biblical concepts arose from the Greeks. http://www.hiddenmeanings.com/enlighten.html#FINDERS : Does cosmic energy flow up your spine? Does sexual/orgone/kundalini energy flow up the universe's spine? Is sex the answer? Are planets ovaries? Where? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # WORRIES ABOUT BALTIC CHEMICAL SOUP. (MSNBC) MORE THAN 50 years ago, the Allied forces dumped almost 300,000 tons of chemical weapons in and near the Baltic Sea. Now environmentalists are worried the weapons, mostly filled with highly toxic mustard gas, are on the verge of rupturing. They warn that this could spell disaster for the region's fishing industry and environment. "It could destroy all life": http://msnbc.com/news/304036.asp : What strange new lifeforms will evolve in the Baltic Chemical Soup? Will they devour DNA-based life? Will they ignore us and build a new reality?? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ @ National Capital Area Skeptics (NCAS) has placed the 1989 report of the Cold Fusion Panel of the US DoE's Energy Research Advisory board (ERAB) on-line. The conclusions and recommendations of the panel represented the consensus of mainstream science at that time, and continue to do so today. The ERAB report is not a quick read, but close study of the evidence con- sidered by the panel, as well as the reasoning employed by the panel in evaluating that evidence, is well worth the effort for anyone attempting to evaluate cold fusion claims being put forward today. www.ncas.org/erab/ : Have you developed any cold-fusion systems lately? Do they work, producing significant amounts of energy? Did aliens help you? Have you sold any cold- fusion power systems? To whom? Have you bankrupted any energy corporations?? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # British Telecom eyes wireless home. (CNN) British Telecommunications is set to roll out a line of networking products aimed at turning UK homes small businesses into a wireless wonderland in which laptops, printers other digital devices "talk" to one another over invisible voice and data lines. Catching up - see http://cnnfn.com/1999/09/06/europe/bt/ : Are you enmeshed in a wireless webbing of words/data, caught in invisible strands like Gulliver roped-down by Lilliputians? Can you break free? How?? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Radar images capture big, slowly tumbling asteroid. (NASA/JPL) Astronomers have used the world's two most powerful radar telescopes to make the most detailed images ever obtained for an asteroid in a near-Earth trajectory. With an average diameter of about 3.5 kilometers (2 miles), 1999 JM8 is the largest near-Earth asteroid ever studied in detail. Altho this object can pass fairly close to Earth in celestial terms, astronomers concur that an actual encounter with Earth is not of
Re: [CTRL] Waco Massacre!
-Caveat Lector- The Delta symbol and the Delta Force have surprising implications. --SW) The Delta symbol is very interesting. I have seen the emblems on the bumper stickers of certain vehicles in certain areas, hehe... --SW) --- Forwarded Message Follows --- From: J Kinsley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[illusions] SNET: [piml] Waco Massacre! Date sent: 6 Sep 1999 22:24:00 -0400 Organization: BTICC.Net To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -= Illusions Mailing List [ This is a repost of the following article: ] [ From: "Bob Germann" [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] [ Subject: SNET: [piml] Waco Massacre! ] [ Newsgroups: lists.snetnews ] [ Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] - SNETNEWS Mailing List X DRUDGE REPORT X MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 06, 1999 21:30:00 ET X GOVERNMENT INFORMANT: DELTA FORCE INVOLVED IN WACO SHOOT-OUT **World Exclusive** **Must Credit DRUDGE REPORT** WASHINGTON -- A former government officer has told investigators that members of the secret Army unit Delta Force said they participated in a shoot-out during the final assault on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned. The witness, according to congressional sources, has already named names -- and will soon offer his account under oath! The development caused panic and confusion at the top levels of the Justice Department and the FBI over the holiday weekend, leaving one top official scrambling for details. FBI Director Freeh has demanded a full briefing, one agency source divulged late Monday. Developing... Meanwhile, congressional investigators are growing convinced that infrared film taken by an FBI surveillance aircraft at 9,000 feet on the final day of the Waco standoff does appear to show U.S. armed forces firing into the church compound. "We are looking at the footage frame-by-frame... most of us have grown convinced that it does show snipers unloading from the rear of a tank," an investigator for the House Government Reform Committee told the DRUDGE REPORT. Former FBI agent Richard Schwein, a supervisor at Waco, said charges of government gunfire were "absolutely false." "False, absolutely false," he said on FOX NEWS SUNDAY. "No FBI agent fired any rounds from their weapons at Waco. There were no Delta Forces or special operations soldiers in an operational capacity at Waco. "And everyone on our side, and the FBI's side, were in armored vehicles, so I don't know how you'd have films of anybody firing into the back of the building. No one was on foot, because we had no body armor that would stop the rounds they were firing." *** * Point your web browser to: * * INTERNET FREE AMERICA! * * A HREF="http://www.localnet.com/~bobg"* * HTTP://WWW.LOCALNET.COM/~BOBG/A * * Links to Christian, Patriotic,Militia and * * Information websites! Downloadable text files, * * Suppressed Information, E-mail lists, a free* * newsletter, the Gun Control Hall of Fame and the* * Outrage of the Week! Internet Free America is an* * information resource to assist loyal and patriotic * * Americans fight the coming New World Order. * *** Robert Germann MyPoints-Free Rewards When You're Online. Start with up to 150 Points for joining! http://clickhere.egroups.com/click/805 For subscription info, go to: http://www.egroups.com/list/piml - Send "subscribe snetnews " to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Posted by: "Bob Germann" [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -= Discuss the illusions of reality -= Illusions Mailing List - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -= http://www.beyond-the-illusion.com/mailman/listinfo/illusions/ Steve Wingate California Director SKYWATCH INTERNATIONAL Anomalous Images and UFO Files http://www.anomalous-images.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html
[CTRL] WHO'S WHO of the ELITE (Deutsche)
-Caveat Lector- forwarded Dave Hartley http://www.Asheville-Computer.com http://www.ioa.com/~davehart English: http://www.4rie.com/rie%201.html Deutsche http://4rie.com/rie%209.html Die Aussenpolitik der westlichen Demokratien - Partizipation des Burgers unerwunscht!! Lesen Sie das fesselnde Buch von Robert Gaylon Ross, Sr.: WHO'S WHO of the ELITE Mitglieder und Teilnehmer Der Bilderberg-Gruppe, des Council on Foreign Relations, der Trilateralen Kommission sowie der Skull Bones Gesellschaft by Robert Gaylon Ross, Sr. Nachfolgend will der Autor einen kurzen Ueberblick zu den sogenannten Bilderberg-Konferenzen in deutscher Sprache liefern und damit einen laengst ueberfaelligen Mangel im Internet beheben. Zum besseren Verstaendnis der Bilderberg-Konferenzen (BBK) erscheint es sinnvoll zunaechst einen Blick auf den privatrechtlich organisierten US-amerikanischen Rat fuer Auswaertige Beziehungen, besser bekannt als Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) zu werfen, da saemtliche US-amerikanischen Teilnehmer an Bilderberg-Konferenzen auch diesem exklusiven Gremium angehoeren. Der Council on Foreign Relations wird sowohl von rechten wie auch von linken Kritikern mit Argwohn betrachtet. Waehrend die rechten Kritiker den CFR als Handlanger des Kommunismus sehen, wird sein Einfluss von linksliberaler Seite zwar gleichstark bewertet, allerdings befuerchten diese ganz andere Gefahrenmomente. Sie sehen den Council on Foreign Relations als die zentrale Schnittstelle zwischen der US-amerikanischen Aussenpolitik und der gesellschaftlichen Oberschicht. "Der Council ist das entscheidende Verbindungsglied zwischen den grossen Konzernen und der Regierung" aeusserte sich der amerikanische Politologe William Domhoff 1975 gegenueber dem deutschen Nachrichtenmagazin "Der Spiegel" und stellte fest, dass "die Wichtigkeit dieser Vereinigung fuer das Verstaendnis der Grundmotive und der Grundlinien amerikanischer Weltpolitik kaum hoch genung veranschlagt werden kann" obgleich "die allermeisten Buerger dieses Landes, das sich fuer das bestinformierte Gemeinwesen aller Zeiten haelt, keine Ahnung von der Existenz eines solchen privaten Gremiums haben". Der Council on Foreign Relations mit Sitz in NewYork City wurde 1921 gegruendet. Ihm wird seit seiner Entstehung eine herausragende Funktion im Formulierungsprozess aussenpolitischer Massnahmen zugesprochen. Eher im Hintergrund und ohne Kontrolle von aussen agierend, lehnt der CFR eine ausfuehrliche Publizierung seiner Aktivitaeten ab. Das in New York City einzusehende Quellenmaterial laesst sich grob in drei Gruppen aufteilen: den "Records of Groups", den "Records of Meetings" sowie den "Records of Conferences" sowie natuerlich der monatlich erscheinenden Publikation "Foreign Affairs", welche an jedem besser sortierten Kiosk erhaeltlich ist. Die interessanteren Diskussionen innerhalb des CFR liefen jedoch bislang immer "off-the-record" ab, d.h., entweder wurden ueberhaupt keine Aufzeichnungen angefertigt oder aber das Material wurde bewusst zurueckgehalten. Die Aufgaben des CFR sind zum einen die Arbeit in den Diskussions- und Studiengruppen, zum zweiten Oeffentlichkeitsarbeit mit dem Ziel eine pro-internationalistische Aussenpolitik der USA zu foerdern und schliesslich die Arbeit im Formulierungsprozess US-amerikanischer Aussenpolitik. Gerade hierin sehen der Historiker Laurence H. Shoup und der Soziologe William Minter den undemokratischen Prozess und die Gefahr, da das Resultat des Zusammenspiels zwischen den Regierungsverantwortlichen und den Finanzgewaltigen, naemlich die Massnahmen der amerikanischen Aussenpolitik "sich gegen das Interesse der Mehrheit des amerikanischen Volkes und der Voelker dieser Welt richtete und bis heute richtet". Auch eine Reihe bundesdeutscher Spitzenpolitiker und Manager haben vor dem Council on Foreign Relations in den vergangenen Jahrzehnten gesprochen, so bspw. Helmut Kohl, Klaus Kinkel, Willy Brandt, Fritz Erler, Heinrich von Brentano, Hermann Abs, Fritz Berg, Theodor Heuss, Erich Ollenhauer etc.. Die CFR-Mitglieder und die zu Gespraechsrunden eingeladenen Gaeste werden dazu angehalten, Verschwiegenheit ueber die "off-the-record" Versammlungen zu wahren, so dass wenige Informationen darueber nach aussen dringen. Entscheidungsprozesse und -strukturen bleiben daher weitestgehend im Hintergrund. In dem 1960 erschienen Buch mit dem Titel "Die Notwendigkeit der Auswahl" schrieb der spaetere Aussenminister der USA, Henry Kissinger, ueber den Rat fuer Auswaertige Beziehungen, dass der CFR ihm die erste Gelegenheit bot, "systematisch ueber die Probleme der Aussenpolitik zu arbeiten. Meine Beziehungen zu ihm blieben eng und meine Bewunderung fuer ihn hat sich, wenn ueberhaupt, nur vergroessert. Die Kombination aus praktischer Erfahrung und dem wissenschaftlichen Niveau in seinen Studiengruppen ist, nach meiner Ansicht, einzigartig". Ebenso einzigartig ist die Zusammensetzung dieses Clubs, welcher zu Beginn der 20er Jahre von Geschaeftsleuten,
[CTRL] Microsoft, IBM, the White House: Who Isn't in on This Conspiracy? (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- September 7, 1999 Microsoft, IBM, the White House: Who Isn't in on This Conspiracy? By REBECCA BUCKMAN Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL And you thought that cute year-2000 commercial from Kia Motors America was tongue-in-cheek. The television spot, which ran last month as part of the Korean auto maker's "Yes to Kia" campaign, spoofed the millennium computer-bug issue. It showed a Kia spokesman at a news conference fielding the question, "Is there a Y2K conspiracy?" The commercial suggested culprits ranged from software companies to politicians. Turns out the commercial tapped into some widespread suspicions. According to an online public-opinion survey conducted in July, 15% of Web users think "a person and/or company is hiding the solution to the Y2K bug." Of those, according to Greenfield Online Inc., a market-research firm in Westport, Conn., 60% thought the conspirator was software giant Microsoft Corp., and 33% blamed the White House. "Wow," says Jack Gribben, a spokesman for the President's Council on Year 2000 Conversion, when told of the results. "Rest assured, if there was a silver bullet to solve the Y2K problem, and we knew about it, we'd certainly be letting people know." Microsoft's director of Y2K readiness couldn't be reached. To be sure, Microsoft and the White House were on a preselected list of answers provided to respondents, who are part of Greenfield's vast base of Web-using guinea pigs. Other suggested culprits chosen included International Business Machines Corp. (30%), independent computer consultants (33%), don't know (22%) and other (8%). (Respondents could pick more than one answer.) The survey was large, with more than 10,000 people responding. And the Internet-savvy people Greenfield polls generally have somewhat higher incomes and "slightly higher education" levels than the U.S. population at large, says Gail Janensch, the firm's director of public relations. Tricia Rosen, Greenfield's product manager of digital consumer research, says the results suggest that fear about Y2K may be worse than previously thought. "I've heard people think that Bill Gates has this big plan and he's going to let the solution out on Nov. 30," says Ms. Rosen. "We have someone in our company who has purchased a generator." She adds: "I think it's very surprising that 5% of people think life will never be the same again, and 1% think the world's going to end." Maybe. But 72% of respondents said the millennium would bring only "small changes," and 85% thought "the hype about the year 2000 is overblown." = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Interview, Antony C. Sutton
-Caveat Lector- Hi All, I met Antony C. Sutton recently in cyberspace, when he contacted me (sans introduction- I was a bit surprised to discover after the fact the breadth of his accomplishments and intimate knowledge of political dealings which I am only in the past five years becoming aware of) requesting that I forward to him information regarding firms involved in GE / GM genetically engineered / modified food crops. Some of you will have noticed a spate of GE / GM postings I made a week or so ago; this was the bulk of the post-worthy material I found while doing research for this project into which I was nudged by Mr. Sutton's request. Some of the material I contributed may appear in a series on GE / GM in: Future Technology Intelligence Report Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dave Hartley http://www.Asheville-Computer.com http://www.ioa.com/~davehart forwarded An interview with Antony C. Sutton, Researcher Emeritus By Kris Millegan ©1999 Little Red Hen ALL RIGHTS RESERVED Well, now, ain't life grand here in these United States. Now, I don't know but I do believe I am being told, by our corporate media, that George 'W' Bush is gonna be the next president and there ain't nothing us peons can do about it. 'W' has already got the cash and all the 'friends' a guy could want. Billy-boy has shown that personal peccadilloes don't matter. And, gee whiz, 'W's were just youthful indiscretions anyway. The Mighty "Wurlitzer" is playing loud and strong; Project Mockingbird has come home to roost and it looks as though a foreign secret society will for the third time put their 'juvenile' in the White House. The latest 'spin' has 'W' just being a president of his ol' college frat house, DKE, who maybe did some strange initiation rituals-yeah, right,-ya wanna buy a bridge ? George 'W' Bush is a member of a 167-year old secret society at Yale University, Skull and Bones. Skull and Bones has been shown to be founded as a chapter of a secret society based in Germany. Some say it is just a college club; other say much more and point to 'W's grandfather's filching of Geronimo's remains; of the financing of Nazis and Communism; of drug smuggling; of eugenics; of manipulation of our social and political arenas through the Hegelian method of thesis, antithesis-resulting towards the desired synthesis-a "New World Order";-and more . . . But then this is not just a story about 'W', or Skull and Bones, but also the story of a courageous man, his dutiful journey and consequent battles with the "powers-that-be". Antony C. Sutton, 74, has been persecuted but never prosecuted for his research and subsequent publishing of his findings. His mainstream career was shattered by his devotion towards uncovering the truth. In 1968, his Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development was published by The Hoover Institute at Stanford University. Sutton showed how the Soviet state's technological and manufacturing base, which was then engaged in supplying the North Vietnamese the armaments and supplies to kill and wound American soldiers, was built by US firms and mostly paid for by the US taxpayers. From their largest steel and iron plant, to automobile manufacturing equipment, to precision ball-bearings and computers, basically the majority of the Soviet's large industrial enterprises had been built with the United States help or technical assistance. Professor Richard Pipes, of Harvard, said in his book, Survival Is Not Enough: Soviet Realities and America's Future (Simon Schuster;1984) "In his three-volume detailed account of Soviet Purchases of Western Equipment and Technology . . . [Antony] Sutton comes to conclusions that are uncomfortable for many businessmen and economists. For this reason his work tends to be either dismissed out of hand as 'extreme' or, more often, simply ignored." The report was too much and Sutton's career as a well-paid member of the academic establishment was under attack and he was told that he "would not survive". His work led him to more questions than answers. "Why had the US built-up it's enemy? Why did the US build-up the Soviet Union, while we also transferred technology to Hitler's Germany? Why does Washington want to conceal these facts?" Sutton, following his leads, proceeded to research and write his three outstanding books on Wall Street: and FDR; and the Rise of Hitler; and The Bolshevik Revolution. Then, someone sent Antony a membership list of Skull and Bones and- "a picture jumped out". And what a picture! A multigenerational foreign-based secret society with fingers in all kinds of pies and roots going back to 'Illuminati' influences in 1830's Germany. And what a list of members, accomplishments and . . . skullduggery! For the full story, check-out Sutton's book America's Secret Establishment, in print for 14 years and available from Liberty House Press, 1-800-343-6180. My short essay on The Order of Skull and Bones is available at
[CTRL] Senator Jesse Helms on NWO- 1987
-Caveat Lector- This may be a bit dated in reference to the Kremlin- but it shows great awareness and interest in the good of the people and of the Nation... which can also be extended to the World- as the NWO is not after only this nation... EXCERPTS FROM SENATOR JESSE HELMS' SPEECH BEFORE THE SENATE, ON 15 DECEMBER, 1987, WARNING AGAINST THE NEW WORLD ORDER: "This campaign against the American people -against traditional American culture and values - is systematic psychological warfare. It is orchestrated by a vast array of interests comprising not only the Eastern establishment but also the radical left. Among this group we find the Department of State, the Department of Commerce, the money center banks and multinational coporations, the media, the educational establishment, the entertainment industry, and the large tax-exempt foundations. Mr. President, a careful examination of what is happening behind the scenes reveals that all of these interests are working in concert with the masters of the Kremlin in order to create what some refer to as a New World Order. Private organizations such as the Council on Foreign Relations, the Royal Institute of International Affairs, the Trilateral Commission, the Dartmouth Conference, the Aspen Institute for Humanistic Studies, the Atlantic Institute, and the Bilderberger Group serve to disseminate and to coordinate the plans for this so-called New World Order in powerful business, financial, academic, and official circles. . . . The psychological campaign that I am describing, as I have said, is the work of groups within the Eastern establishment, that amorphous amalgam of wealth and social connections whose power resides in its control over our financial system and over a large portion of our industrial sector. The principal instrument of this control over the American economy and money is the Federal Reserve System. The policies of the Industrial sectors, primarily the multinational corporations, are influenced by the money center banks through debt financing and through the large blocks of stock controlled by the trust departments of the money center banks. Anyone familiar with American history, and particularly American economic history, cannot fail to notice the control over the Department of State and the Central Intelligence Agency which Wall Street seems to exercise The influence of establishment insiders over our foreign policy has become a fact of life in our time. This pervasive influence runs contrary to the real long-term national security of our Nation. It is an influence which, if unchecked, could ultimately subvert our constitutional order. The viewpoint of the establishment today is called globalism. Not so long ago, this viewpoint was called the "one-world" view by its critics. The phrase is no longer fashionable among sophisticates; yet, the phrase "one-world" is still apt because nothing has changed in the minds and actions of those promoting policies consistent with its fundamental tenets. Mr. President, in the globalist point of view, nation-states and national boundaries do not count for anything. Political philosophies and political principles seem to become simply relative. Indeed, even constitutions are irrelevant to the exercise of power. Liberty and tyranny are viewed as neither necessarily good nor evil, and certainly not a component of policy. In this point of view, the activities of international financial and industrial forces should be oriented to bringing this one-world design - with a convergence of the Soviet and American systems as its centerpiece - into being. . . . All that matters to this club is the maximization of profits resulting from the practice of what can be described as finance capitalism, a system which rests upon the twin pillars of debt and monopoly. This isn't real capitalism. It is the road to economic concentration and to political slavery." === I take back any mean thing I ever thought about Senator Helms ! I'm finding that I sorta LIKE Sen. Helms ... AND Rep. Taylor.. mebbe North Carolina has more to recommend it than first meets the eye ;-) But I wonder at the fact that an "elder statesman" such as Senator Helms holding the knowledge that he does- and has for ... decades? ... seems to be lost on a great part of his constituency, let alone the rest of the country... Dave Hartley http://www.Asheville-Computer.com http://www.ioa.com/~davehart DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the
Re: [CTRL] (no subject)
-Caveat Lector- Hi: I have never been a victim of mind control, but I would be interested in information concerning your organization. Fred R. Saluga, 2731 BlairStone Road, Apartment #77, Tallahassee, Florida 32301 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Delta Force Gunfire! Fw: Waco: BIG NEWS! Drudge Report
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Ian Goddard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 3:11 AM Subject: Waco: BIG NEWS! Drudge Report BIG NEWS from Drudge! Govt informant spills beans on Delta Force shooting at Davidian's home on the last day of siege, April 19,1993. Waco cover-up appears to be in fatal collapse. See my critical comments below Drudge excerpt: === X DRUDGE REPORT X MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 06, 1999 21:30:00 ET X GOVERNMENT INFORMANT: DELTA FORCE INVOLVED IN WACO SHOOT-OUT **World Exclusive** **Must Credit DRUDGE REPORT** WASHINGTON -- A former government officer has told investigators that members of the secret Army unit Delta Force said they participated in a shoot-out during the final assault on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned. The witness, according to congressional sources, has already named names -- and will soon offer his account under oath! The development caused panic and confusion at the top levels of the Justice Department and the FBI over the holiday weekend, leaving one top official scrambling for details. FBI Director Freeh has demanded a full briefing, one agency source divulged late Monday. Developing... Meanwhile, congressional investigators are growing convinced that infrared film taken by an FBI surveillance aircraft at 9,000 feet on the final day of the Waco standoff does appear to show U.S. armed forces firing into the church compound. "We are looking at the footage frame-by-frame... most of us have grown convinced that it does show snipers unloading from the rear of a tank," an investigator for the House Government Reform Committee told the DRUDGE REPORT. == END OF DRUDGE REPORT EXCERPT == IAN: What bugs me is the claim that it was a shoot-out, as if Delta Force gunmen were under attack, which smells like a last-ditch cover story wherein the Delta Force came under fire and were then forced to return fire. But the gunshots on the FLIR are coming from fixed positions from which the gunmen apparently do not move, indicating that they are not in the immanent danger of a fire-fight but casually firing at the building. If the Govt gunman closest to the building was under fire, why didn't the tank a few dozen yards away come to shield him and thereby allow his escape from gunfire? Furthermore, why would they even bother to establish close-to-the-building positions to get in a fire fight? Why not stay in the safety of the tanks? The very presence of Govt gunmen close to the building and shooting at it from entrenched positions appears to support no theory other than that they were there with the intent to commit murder. Stay tuned for my own ground-breaking reports! == READ THE FULL DRUDGE REPORT, LOTS OF RED HOT STUFF: http://www.drudgereport.com/matt.htm == GODDARD'S JOURNAL: http://www.erols.com/igoddard/journal.htm DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Said and Arafat
-Caveat Lector- A good career move By DANIEL PIPES The Jerusalem Post (September 7) - Edward Said, the famous Palestinian intellectual, it turns out, was actually raised in Egypt. So out goes his oft-repeated claim about the nasty Israelis expelling him from his "beautiful old house" in Jerusalem; he was living at the time in a luxurious apartment in Cairo. Said had long presented his own story as a symbol of the Palestinian tragedy; learning that he found himself in Jerusalem only when visiting relatives certainly takes some of the edge off his story. Unexpected on its own, this dissimulation takes on additional meaning when it is seen as part of a pattern. Remarkably, at least two other very prominent Arabs born in Egypt, have falsely claimed to be Palestinian. The first of them was the 1930s version of Said - a Christian Arab who mastered Western ways so well and wrote a book so influential (The Arab Awakening, 1938) that he singlehandedly changed European and American attitudes toward Arabs. His name was George Antonius and he was born in Alexandria in 1891 to a Greek Orthodox family of Lebanese origin. Like Said, he attended the most prestigious school in his home town and went off to the West for his higher education. In 1921 he settled in Jerusalem and became an administrator in the British Mandate for Palestine and, in the words of his biographer, "came to regard himself as a Palestinian" and "acquired Palestinian citizenship." On leaving British employ in 1930, Antonius demonstrated his new loyalties by becoming informal adviser to Haj Amin al-Husseini, mufti of Jerusalem and the Palestinians' political leader. At the all-important London Conference of 1939, Antonius served as a key member of the Palestinian delegation. In short, he abandoned his Egyptian-Lebanese identity to became Palestinian. In the words of Fouad Ajami, he gave "the struggle between Arab and Jew all his loyalty." The second Egyptian-turned-Palestinian is even better known. On countless occasions, Yasser Arafat has regaled listeners about his Jerusalem birth and childhood. He fondly recalls his birthplace in a stone house abutting the Western Wall, then how he lived with his Uncle Sa'ud in Jerusalem. Like Said, Arafat presents himself as a victim of Zionism - someone who lost his wordly belongings and his place in the world due to Israel's coming me into existence. But in fact, as two intrepid French biographers, Christophe Boltanski and Jihan El-Tahri revealed a few years, ago (in their 1997 book, Les sept vies de Yasser Arafat), "Mr. Palestine was born on the shores of the Nile." The French researchers tell an amusing story of discovery. They went to the University of Cairo and innocently asked for the registration of one Muhammad Abd ar-Ra'uf Arafat al-Qudwa al-Husayni at the School of Civil Engineering in 1956. This, Arafat's birth name, means nothing to the Egyptian clerk, who "sits down behind a rickety wooden table, almost completely hidden by the pile of dusty files bound in black leather" and "blows off a layer of grime in a most professional way," then hands over the records. In a blue ink faded by time, the researchers find that their man, living at 24A Baron Empain Street, Heliopolis, "was born on August 4, 1929, in Cairo." With this information in hand, they dashed over to the State Registry and found Arafat's actual birth certificate, which confirms the date and place. Arafat then lived in Cairo until the age of 28 and identified as an Egyptian. His first political affiliation was an Egyptian student organization closed to Palestinians. He fought for an Egyptian group against Israel in 1948-49 and subsequently served in the Egyptian military. He first traveled to Moscow, in 1968, on an Egyptian passport. Arafat all his life has spoken Arabic like an Egyptian, something that has sometimes impeded his career; on first encountering him in 1967, a biographer recounts, "West Bankers did not like his Egyptian accent and ways and found them alien." How is it that three men raised in Egypt decided at various points in the 20th century - the 1920s, 1950s, 1970s - to become Palestinians? The answer probably lies in the fact that for a politically ambitious activist, Palestinian politics has far more to offer than Egypt's. An intellectual can raise his profile much higher; where would Said be today were he advocating Egyptian causes? And a politician finds the path to power far more open; had Arafat made Egypt his life's work, he might today be a retired deputy from that country's rubber-stamp parliament. Being Palestinian, in other words, is a good career move. (The writer is director of the Philadelphia-based Middle East Forum and author of 'Conspiracy: How the Paranoid Style Flourishes and Where It Comes From.') DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are
[CTRL] The Campaign to defend Edward Said:
-Caveat Lector- From Steven E. Plaut, PhD I have long argued that the real dangers to Jewish existence today come from the Left and not the Right. True, the lunatic Right produces some vandals who trash synagogues and even every few years someone who shoots up a shul or community center. But the greater danger today is from the Left. The "Christian Right" is by and large pro-Israel, whereas liberals and leftists want nothing better than to see the Zionist entity erased. Now by now you all know about the remarkable work done by Justus Weiner in revealing the skeletons in the closet of Edward Said, the long-time professor of terror. Said has long been the darling of the Left, arguing that no one who is not an Arab has the right to study, analyze or even discuss Arab societies, and that any attempt to do so amounts to colonialism. Which is why he, Said, a mediocre professor of literature at Columbia U., has automatic credentials making him far more qualified an authority on Arabs than the scholars in the Middle East departments of Columbia, Princeton, and elsewhere. Said is also a long-time anti-Semite who wants all the Jews tossed in the sea, and thinks Arafat is a sell-out, playing Vichy to Israel's Nazi Germany.He has never heard of an anti-Jewish atrocity of which he does not approve. The election of Said to head the PC bastion, the Modern Language Association, makes perfect sense, in as much as the MLA is a Loony Farm of deconstructionism, you know - the doctrine whereby there are no facts, truths, or science, just "narratives" and words that mean nothing, and the only thing about which we can truly be sure is that both the US and Israel need to be destroyed. A view that Said's "Orientalism" can complement nicely. Anyway, the full exposure of Said's record of falsehood is in the new Commentary magazine, although I attach a condensed version that appeared in the Wall St Journal below, as well as Jeff Jacoby's superb commentary on all this. But before turning to that, there is something else you should know about and probably do not. This is that the liberals/lefties are already sending out their button men to DEFEND Said, to assault Weiner, to assault his Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs (which is in fact a liberal, Labor-leaning, public policy think tank mainly interested in federalism), and of course to assault Zionism, Jews and Israel. SO what if Said lied nonstop for decades? What do the FACTS matter when Said's intentions were so pure and progressive? And besides, Said is quibbling with Weiner over one or two minor details of the latter's expose, like who the house in Jerusalem Said vacationed in really belonged to, an uncle or a cousin. If Weiner got such a detail or two wrong, THOSE facts would of course be of cosmic importance, say the lefties. Well, so far the most incredible defense of Said has come from Alexander Cockburn, a paleoleftist and true believer, who writes for Nation and lots of other pink rags. Cockburn is a longtime hater of Israel and makes little secret of his desire to see Israel's name on the obituary pages. A few days ago, Cockburn wrote a columne that appearded, in among other places, the New York Press of Sept 1-7, 1999, a New York "alternative" weekly (you know - one of those Tikkun's for gentiles, with lots of print about drugs and rock roll). Cockburn's piece is called "Edward Said as Jew", and the idea is that poor fibbin' Said is being persecuted so cruelly and unjustly that he is the quintessential Jewish victim of the Middle Ages. Everything Weiner and crowd say about Said is just an application of traditional anti-Semitic stereotypes to this deconstructionist giant. And to prove it, old Burncock notes that the think tank in which Weiner worked on the project got some funds from Junk Bond King Michael Milken (I do not know if this is true, but if it is - so does the Hebrew University, crawling with post-Zionist leftists, so what?).So it is all a plot by Milken and Big Capital to discredit the greatest Palestinian intellectual of all times, indeed the greatest Palestinian Arab since Jesus Christ himself. SO what if the details of his life were falsified by the Great Said?, says Burncock. Why should this make him any less a legitimate spokesman for Palestinian grievances and suffereings. But what REALLY angers Commentary - says Cockburn - is that Said reigns as head of the MLA circus, and Commentary just despises educated people from the Third WOrld who speak a lot of languages and who even play piano (really, Cockburn says this - check for yerself at www.nypress.com). So telling lies for decades is now the most honorable and progressive of activities, the most decent thing a good progressive can persue. August 26, 1999 Commentary The False Prophet of Palestine By Justus Reid Weiner, a scholar in residence at the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs. This article is
[CTRL] George Bush in Kuwait
-Caveat Lector- A very interesting posting to this list from [EMAIL PROTECTED]NET is one that contains information about Bush and Kuwait. The information seems to come from something entitled "EXCLUSIVE TO THE SPOTLIGHT" by Martin Mann. In part it reads: Wall Street insiders have told the SPOTLIGHT how the Bush family milked millions from foreign potentakes seeking support or protection from the U.S. government. For a case history of these systemic scams, sources pointed to a trip the ex-resident took to Kuwait in March l992, soon after he lost the race for the White House to Bill Clinton. It wasn't just another junket, it was a triumphal tour" recalled Dr. Pierre Oweiss, a historian noted for his study of modern Arab statecraft. Bush flew to Kuwait in th eluxurious private jet of Sheik Jaber Ahman al-Sabah, the multi billionaire ruler of that oil-rich emirate. In 1991, the Gulf war, set up and organized by Bush, drove out the Iraqi forces and "liberated" Kuwait by restoring the autocratic al-Sabah dynasty to its golden thrown. In the years since then, the US role in the Kuwait has emerged, not as a "liberation" campaign, but as a calculated takeover by profit-hungry politicians and corporations clustered around the corrupt Bush clan. There's more, but it seems this all appeared in THE SPOTLIGHT, and I think can be read in its entirety by accessing: http://www.spotlight.org/Newsbureau/Prisoner/Eletter/eletter.html. Hope this info helps. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Pseudoenvironmentalist War Against People of America
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/06/1999 10:10:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: more efficient cars. If the EPA wanted to help, meanwhile, they should encourage cities and states to coordinate their traffic lights and build more roads and highways. The No. 1 source of vehicle pollution is cars stuck in traffic. If you keep traffic moving smoothly, you substantially reduce air pollution. Wonderful. Now that we know the answer to the filthy air that is giving our children asthma is just a matter of buying more cars and keeping the traffic flowing, I'm completely happy. Down with those socialists. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] What's a little spying between friends? (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/07/1999 12:16:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You are not supposed to spy on your friends. As details emerge of U.S. intelligence agencies eavesdropping on the e-mail, faxes, and phone calls of European businesses, politicians in Europe are calling for better ways to safeguard industrial secrets. Then they better make a lot of changes out there. Israel has been spying on us as long as there's been an Israel, and I'm sure we've been trying to spy back. We do have a problem, since our CIA seems to have serious mental problems, but I'm sure we try. Actually there really are no "friends" in business or politics, so it's perfectly fair to spy on anyone you can spy on. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] (Fwd) [FAIR-L] ALERT: U.S. Role Missing From East Timor
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/07/1999 1:22:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why do I sense that the net is being pulled in and that whatever it is --that old beast-- is slouching closer and closer to home I even sense that the Waco revelations, which will focus attention once again on Clinton and Reno--and very rightly so--will deflect criticism from George W. and help him sweep into the presidency. I must be depressedis all I wish that was all, Owl. It's really just the realization of what is happening sinking in no matter what you do. You've analyzed the situation very well. Seems like a bad movie where some superhero should come to save us, doesn't it? Well there really are no heroes, and I see no hope at all. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] What's a little spying between friends? (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- "Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/07/1999 12:16:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You are not supposed to spy on your friends. As details emerge of U.S. intelligence agencies eavesdropping on the e-mail, faxes, and phone calls of European businesses, politicians in Europe are calling for better ways to safeguard industrial secrets. >> Then they better make a lot of changes out there. Israel has been spying on us as long as there's been an Israel, and I'm sure we've been trying to spy back. We do have a problem, since our CIA seems to have serious mental problems, but I'm sure we try. Actually there really are no "friends" in business or politics, so it's perfectly fair to spy on anyone you can spy on. Prudy I would be almost certain that Intelligence agencies in Europe are carrying out the same sort of 'eavesdropping' on American businesses. -- Regards, DAVID FERGUSON. \^^/ )@@( / oo \ ===oOOooOOo=== Tel : (+)44 1232 462269 Fax : (+)44 1232 462097 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] == Oooo oooO ( ) ( ) ) / \ ( (_/ \_) DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] REPLY TO PUBLICEYE.ORG
-Caveat Lector- Thank you Dave for posting the comments on my work by "public eye.org" PUBLIC EYE has a problem. Either (lA) they cannot read English or (B) they have mental dyslexia My positions on topics cited are a mirror image of their reporting (l) Anti-semitic? If you read my WALL STREET AND THE BOLSHEVIK REVOLUTION you will discover that I include an appendix to show that the Bolshevik Revolution was not (repeat NOT) a Jewlsh conspiracy.. In fact I quoteda previously unknown document from the State Dept files to show that Shifff was working against the Bolsheviks.. The revolution was financed by Wall Street gentiles as Morgan, Thompson, Thacher etc. (2) Obviously PUBLIC ORG knows nothing about the etheric weather engineering work of Trevor Constable which emerged from the earlier work of Wilhelm Reich. Nothing mysterious here. Constable's company now operates out of Singapore because myopic Americans (like PUBLIC ORG) refuse to accept reality. Ive known Constable for 15 years and once made the suggestion to him that even if he dumped 12 inches of rain on the Capitol Building some would still say it was an illusion. .(3) Free energy? just look at the cascade of work now in progress. In fact Dept of Energy has finally given up denial and is financing the work of George Miley, the most prominent worker in low energy nuclear reactions. (4) Acoustical levitation.? NASA has a technical report including photographs off acoustical levitation. Ask any acoustics engineer.. (5) On alien technology. Yes FTIR has reported on this from time to time based on the revelations of Colonel Phillip Corso and the Firmage documents.. FTIR does not take a position, just reports We have an open mind.. As for the description "far right theorist" We have consistently argued that the Right Hegelians and the Left Hegelians have a commonality, use of the Hegelian State for personal agendas and personal profit. The individual is subordinate to the State.in Hegel while our view is that the individual is supreme and the State a convenient fiction. The conflict between right and left, the dialectical process is artifical because right (Hitler) and left (Marx) originate within the Hegelian State. for the acquisition of political power. Sklar of course is Left Hegelian. As for "theorist" my work has always been heavily factual based on original documentation. I rarely get into theory. PUBLIC ORG is using the old tired ploy of personal slander and distortion.when it cannot defeat by using facts But I love their use of the word "exotic"...how many writers get their work termed "exotic"? i challenge PUBLICEYE to review any of my books. (Some hope!I I).. They dare not read them because their Hegelian illusions will go tumbling down the storm drain.. .. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] (no subject)
-Caveat Lector- Being new to CTRL I would appreciate any info on conspiracy theories from the U.K. particularly in relation to Northern Ireland (If there are any). DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Set the Davidians free. Indict their perjury-prone assailants
-Caveat Lector- http://www.enterstageright.com/0999davidian.htm Set the Branch Davidians free By Vin Suprynowicz Documentary filmmaker Mike McNulty of Colorado, whose "Waco: The Rules of Engagement" was nominated for an Academy Award, is prepared to release a sequel this fall, presenting evidence that at least six spent incendiary mortar rounds and "flash-bang devices" (the kind that can start fires) were found in the main Mount Carmel church (not just two, and not just in some outbuilding) following the final assault by federal troops in Waco, Texas in April of 1993. The new film will also document the assignment -- illegal without a special presidential order -- of members of the Army's elite Delta Force to be present during that final, deadly government assault, against American civilians on American soil. What a coincidence that the FBI in the past week has admitted to only as much as Mr. McNulty and the Texas Rangers can apparently now prove -- "spinning" these revelations with the bizarre explanation that (only two) incendiary mortar rounds were fired, only into an outbuilding, hours before the fatal fire which killed 80 people (including scores of innocent women and children.) Of course, it was Mr. McNulty and his associates who first used the Freedom of Information Act to pry from the federal government the aerial "Forward-Looking Infrared" footage of the final Waco assault -- the real assault, conducted on the back side of the building, out of sight of commercial television cameras -- revealing what several experts have interpreted as fully-automatic rifle fire into the building from positions behind the armored vehicles as those converted tanks moved in to knock down walls and staircases and spray in flammable and disorienting CS gas, effectively making escape impossible for most. The idea that these are the first "Waco lies" to be revealed is mere wishful thinking. To gain access to military helicopters for the initial assault (by armed tax collectors supposedly investigating reports of an unpaid $200 machine gun tax, but in fact mostly anxious to pull off a dramatic televised raid shortly before their upcoming congressional funding hearings), government agents had to lie on affidavits contending they believed the Rev. David Koresh was running a methamphetamine lab in his church. He was not, and no one ever believed he was. The government has long insisted there was no gunfire into the building from the helicopters during the initial February raid, though non-Branch Davidian witnesses allowed into the building before it burned saw downward-splintered bullet holes through the ceiling, and eyewitnesses have sworn to me they saw gunfire coming from those helicopters. Attorney General Janet Reno said the final assault had to be ordered because of new evidence Koresh and others were abusing children in the church, though the Justice Department later admitted there was no such new evidence. Some might be tempted to dismiss all this as ancient history. But let's recall that most of the Branch Davidian survivors -- not their assailants -- were put on trial following the fiery holocaust at Waco, and seven were sentenced to decades in prison despite being unanimously found innocent on every major, capital charge. Yes, they're all still in jail, despite being unanimously acquitted of any wrongdoing in the deaths of four federal agents -- agents killed in the initial raid by bullets whose type and caliber the prosecutors were never willing to identify. And those sentences were meted out over the written objection of jury forewoman Sarah Bain, a Texas schoolteacher, who tells me the jury was shocked at the size of the sentences -- and who wrote to the judge that the jury assumed the defendants would be released for "time served" on the few minor, technical charges on which they were convicted. Writing in a recent Wall Street Journal, Dr. Alan Stone, who teaches both law and psychiatry at Harvard University and who was brought in by the Justice Department to write an independent review of the handling of the Waco siege, says: "I do not know whether the FBI's pyrotechnic devices, which the bureau has finally acknowledged, actually started the fire. I do know that much of the gas was aimed at the so-called bunker where most of the children suffocated. I do not know whether Delta Force military advisers drove the tanks; I do know the tank drivers departed from the agreed-upon plan and, for reasons never explained, started crushing the compound. As in Vietnam, the government decided to destroy the village in order to save it. ... "But there is one truth that should be obvious by now; the Branch Davidians were more victims than culprits. ... Mr. Clinton should pardon them. By now he must realize both that the government made reckless mistakes at Waco and that those federal prisoners were motivated by deeply held religious convictions." Dr. Stone is correct. If Mr. Clinton can justify his recent
[CTRL] Murdoch sucks up to China
-Caveat Lector- Murdoch launches 'self-serving' attack on Dalai Lama By Philip Delves Broughton in New York News Corp sows seeds of Chinese revolution Rupert bares all about love on a soya diet RUPERT MURDOCH, the chairman of News Corporation, was condemned by human rights activists and Tibetans yesterday after criticising the Dalai Lama and condoning the Chinese occupation of Tibet. Mr Murdoch, who hopes to expand his business interests in China, said of the leader of Tibetan Buddhism: "I have heard cynics who say he's a very political old monk shuffling around in Gucci shoes." Mr Murdoch, 68, who recently married a 31-year-old Chinese woman, Wendi Deng, also excuses China's disregard for human rights on the ground that the average Chinese person cares more about "his next bowl of rice" than democracy. Tibetan groups in America reacted furiously to Mr Murdoch's comments in an interview with Vanity Fair magazine, calling them "ignorant", "cynical" and "self-serving". His attack comes at a time when the Dalai Lama and the cause of Tibet are more popular than ever in the United States. Mr Murdoch expresses his support for China's forced occupation of Tibet by asking whether Tibet's own culture was ever worth preserving: "It was a pretty terrible old autocratic society out of the Middle Ages. Maybe I'm falling for their propaganda," he says of the Chinese government, "but it was an authoritarian, medieval society without any basic services." "Rupert Murdoch knows nothing about Tibet," said Tashi Tsering, a spokesman for the Tibet Fund, which sends money from the West to Tibetans exiled in India and Nepal. "People like him who work with the Chinese government are directly supporting the occupation of Tibet. He is definitely not someone to make moral judgments, particularly about someone like the Dalai Lama. He should stick to making money." Mr Murdoch says that Tibet's main problem is "that half the people of Tibet still think that the Dalai Lama is the Son of God". The Dalai Lama, however, is supposedly the reincarnation of the first Dalai Lama rather than the son of God. In his ambition to expand his Star satellite television business in China, Mr Murdoch has already been accused of placing his commercial interests above freedom of speech. In 1994, he dropped the BBC from Star after it was critical of Chinese leaders and of the Tiananmen Square killings. Last year, he ordered his publishing company HarperCollins to abandon publication of Chris Patten's recollections of his time as Governor of Hong Kong because they too were critical of the Chinese government. 24 June 1999: China fears prospect of blue-eyed Dalai Lama 19 June 1999: Beijing woos Tibet with its chosen reincarnation 28 March 1999: China uses prostitutes to bring shame on Tibetan monks 26 March 1999: Diplomatic rift over Tibet demo 14 March 1999: Simpson on Sunday: Why Beijing must take a great leap forward on Tibet 9 February 1999: 'Don't be afraid to condemn me' says Dalai Lama 11 December 1998: Dalai Lama under fire as China talks are stalled 12 November 1998: Clinton talks with Dalai anger China http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=000271261842766rtmo=3qA8wHBMatmo=g3qK pg=/et/99/9/7/wmur07.html Bard Visit me at: The Center for Exposing Corruption in the Federal Government http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm Federal Government defined: a benefit/subsidy protection racket! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Ric's Troll Scoring
-Caveat Lector- One problem I see is that the troll doesn't always have adequate data to score himself. If the troll is quietly killfiled without public announcement, troll isn't able to claim the credit I submit that this list needs a committee to organize trolling awards. There could be recognition given for different categories of trolls - a few I can think of would be: Best alien troll Best newbie troll Best quote 'em out of context troll Best racist troll Best religious troll Best sarcastic troll Perhaps you all can suggest additional categories. Maybe we could even dig up a few old copies of Grimm's Fairy Tales to award the winners of each category. Kathleen "The proverb warns that 'You should not bite the hand that feeds you.' But maybe you should if it prevents you from feeding you rself." -- Thomas Szasz DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Koresh Met with BATF Thugs Before Raid
-Caveat Lector- http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=1999/9/6/232158 Tuesday September 7, 12:32 AM Koresh Met with BATF Agents Before Raid Why did the BATF launch its bloody Feb. 28, 1993 assault on the Branch Davidian compound-- when, just nine days before, Koresh had openly welcomed two BATF agents onto his property and actually practiced target shooting with them? That's the question posed by a document unearthed by Waco expert David Hardy, which reports the incident as part of the BATF's surveillance of Koresh and his followers. On Hardy's web site, Attorney General Janet Reno, Congressional investigators, the White House and even the mainstream press can read the Treasury Department's own report about Koresh's incredible meeting with two BATF agents: "Synopsis of Surveillance -- Feb. 19, 1993; FRIDAY "On Feb. 19, 1993, Special Agents Robert Rodriguez and Jeffrey Brzozowski; in an undercover capacity, went to the Davidian Compound and met with Leader David Koresh and two other male members for the purpose of shooting the AR-15 rifles. When both agents arrived at the compound they were asked to enter the compound and wait for David Koresh. "When David Koresh arrived, he examined the two AR-15 rifles very carefully. It was obvious that David Koresh had a lot of knowledge about the two firearms. After examining the firearms, Special Agents Rodriguez and Brzozowski followed David Koresh and two males through the inside of the compound towards the back. Special Agents Rodriguez and Brzozowski, walked through the halls of the compound and through the kitchen. "Numerous women were observed working in the kitchen and then observed numerous males working in the back at the shelter area. Before the shooting started, David Koresh went back inside the compound and brought some .223 caliber rounds for the agents to shoot. "Special Agents Rodriguez and Brzozowski, along with David Koresh shot the AR-15 rifles. David Koresh displayed an ability to shoot the rifles very well. After shooting the rifles, Special Agent Rodriguez allowed David Koresh and two males to shoot Rodriguez's .38 super pistol. During this time, David Koresh returned to the compound and returned (with) two Sig-Sauer pistols. He returned with a model 226 and 220. David Koresh provided the 9mm and .45 caliber ammunition. "David Koresh also stated that he owned a Ruger, 10-22 caliber rifle and other weapons. Mr. Koresh stated that he believed that every person had the right to own firearms and protect their homes. "As Special Agents Rodriguez and Brzozowski left the compound a quick observation of the east side of the compound was made as requested by the SRT Leader, Ken Latimer. The side wall appeared to be approximately 16 to 18 feet high. "No photographs were taken during this meeting." An actual copy of the above document can be viewed at: http://www.indirect.com/www/dhardy/DK_Shooting.html Bard Federal Government defined: a benefit/subsidy protection racket! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Army's Role In Waco Slaughter Said Confirmed
-Caveat Lector- SIGHTINGS Army's Role In Waco Slaughter Said Confirmed 9-5-99 From Francine McCauley [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9-5-99 Mr. Rense, The following letter appeared in the Sunday Reader section of The Dallas Morning News, September 5, 1999. It was on page 3J under the heading "Waco Firestorm". I checked their website (http://www.dallasnews.comwww.dallasnews.com) but it won`t be posted there until tomorrow. Kevin McCauley Tyler, TX Army Involved This is a letter confirming that the U.S. Army took an active role in the seige at Waco. I was stationed at Ft.Hood in the 1st Battalion 8th Cavalry at the time of the incident. I had friends in the 1st Battalion 7th Cavalry who confirmed that their unit took part. The armored vehicles in the videotapes that are part of the public record were operated and commanded by active duty soldiers. Does the Bureau of Alcohol, tobacco and Firearms have Bradley fighting vehicles? I don`t think so. If you put out a call to your readers I am sure you will receive hundreds of confirming e-mails by former and current soldiers who are more interested in the truth than slaughtering religious wackos. Thomas Coolberth Ashburnham, Mass SIGHTINGS HOMEPAGE http://www.sightings.com/politics4/armyrole.htm Bard Visit me at: The Center for Exposing Corruption in the Federal Government http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm Federal Government defined: a benefit/subsidy protection racket! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] ..CIA -- the real PROFESSIONAL killers --..
-Caveat Lector- The following information was passed to Paul Wilcher via telephone by Gunther Russbacher and others. Wilcher recorded the conversations and wrote a letter to Janet Reno that was over 100 pages long. Gunther Russbacher told his wife, Rayelan and author, Rodney Stich, that the complete Wilcher letter was 105 pages. The last four pages are missing. * * * * * DETAILS, go to: http://www.sightings.com/politics4/wilcher.htm Bard Visit me at: The Center for Exposing Corruption in the Federal Government http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm Federal Government defined: a benefit/subsidy protection racket! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The UNHOLY THREE: Hillary, Hubbell, and Vincent W. Foster, Jr.
-Caveat Lector- Waco The US Military The UNHOLY THREE: Hillary Rodham Clinton, Webster Hubbell, and Vincent W. Foster, Jr. By Sherman H. Skolnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9-4-99 After William ROCKEFELLER Clinton was inaugurated as the new president in January, 1993, who was actually running the U.S. Government? To understand that is to comprehend plenty. 1. Dictating both policy and actual orders was Hillary Rodham Clinton. Early on she fought with the new Vice President Albert Gore, Jr. She wanted an office in the White House superior to that of the Vice President. He felt his strength on certain issues somehow helped carry Clinton into office. After all, Gore and his father were the crusaders for cheap electricity, a pocket book issue forbidden to be discussed in the monopoly press. Mentioning the Gore-promoted Tennessee Valley Authority brings bloodshot eyes to the electric power cartel including General Electric, owner of NBC, and Westinghouse, owner of CBS. GE and Westinghouse will never, ever, forget that thanks to the TVA, the Gore family,and the Kennedy Justice Department, top officials of the electric cartel were put in jail in 1961 because of an historic showdown known as the Electrical Conspiracy Cases. BUT: after all, the secret societies, like the Bilderberg Group, installed Clinton, a crony of George Herbert Walker Bush, to promote the New World Order and safeguard the Old World Families. AND, to strangle Americans foolish enough to believe in national sovereignty and the U.S. Constitution. The most direct reason Clinton was not removed from office by the U.S. Senate in an impeachment TRIAL---they did not want Gore as acting President. An UNHOLY THREE were running the U.S. Government. Not only Hillary Clinton, but her former Rose Laws Firm cronies Webster Hubbell and Vincent W. Foster, Jr. Up to the time he was put in jail for swindling that firm, Hubbell, as a top official, ran the Clinton Justice Department, NOT JANET RENO. A long-time expert in money laundering and espionage and continuing that role as deputy counsel in the Clinton White House, Foster was the courier worldwide for illicit funding. Foster reportedly handled the huge cash flow from dope, gun smuggling,and such. Ostensibly used was the Mexican bank octopus Grupo Financiero Bancomer. And Bancomer has been a part of the whiskey, dope,and hot money money headed by the booze-soaked Bronfman family [Seagrams] and their Bank of Montreal together with their Chicago unit, Harris Bank. Another unholy three. For many years up to and including his short-lived role in the Clinton White House, Foster ran a "Gold Bank" in the Caribbean. Money launderers preferred ending up with untraceable smuggled gold, AND DIAMONDS. [In New York, a gem-cutting center, bags of diamonds are the favorite way of bribing state and federaljudges.] So there was a church in Waco, Texas, ripe as a target to demonstrate U.S.Government "muscle". They typified unacceptable mistrust and defiance of the Central Government. They were headed by a charming, double-talking CIA "Manchurian Candidate", using the fake name David Koresh. [The CIA's mind control facility has long been operating near Waco.This the newsfakers are forbidden to mention.] If there were any reason to grab Koresh on federal charges of any kind, well, it was easy. He reportedly jogged outside daily. But the Branch Davidian stand-off could not be tolerated. COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF CLINTON DELEGATED TO HIS WIFE, AND HUBBELL, AND FOSTER the power to ORDER AND SUPERVISE the U.S.Military. ALthough having the name "First Lady", Hillary Clinton does not occupy any office authorized by U.S. Statutes or by the U.S. Constitution. Hubbell and Foster were, like Hillary, civilians. Using this UNCONSTITUTIONALLY DELEGATED "AUTHORITY", this unholy troika ORDERED the U.S. Military to use deadly force against the Waco church. A tank was used. Special Forces with helicopter gunships were used. Military pyrotechnics were used. AND OTHER YET-SECRET MILITARY WEAPONS WERE USED BY THE U.S. MILITARY as ORDERED by Hillary Clinton, Webster Hubbell, and Vince Foster. From inside data, a lawyer friend of mine, Paul Wilcher, originally from the Chicago-area, wrote a detailed report on the unlawful military operation against the Waco church. "Sherman, I am going to deliver it in person to Janet Reno", he told me on the phone. I said, "Paul, you don't have enough life insurance. You are a walking dead man if you don't scrap that report." I was apparently the last one to talk to him on the phone. Thereafter his phone was disconnected. Wilcher dropped out of sight. His friends were worried. Senior White House correspondent Sarah McClendon, a mutual friend, demanded the local police, investigate; they refused. Strange, but one day a team of some 20 CIA AND JUSTICE DEPARTMENT AGENTS broke into Wilcher's District of Columbia apartment and found him apparently murdered. The local coroner said he is too busy to investigate.
[CTRL] JANET RENO SHOULD BE CHARGED WITH MURDER ONE!
-Caveat Lector- ALEX JONES: http://www.infowars.com/ GEORGE W. BUSH: "There ought to be limits to freedom," Bard Visit me at: The Center for Exposing Corruption in the Federal Government http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm Federal Government defined: a benefit/subsidy protection racket! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] What the corporate press isn't telling you about theIndonesianMilitias
-Caveat Lector- I think they are trying to create dread and loathing against the word "Militia". Lucio Benedetto wrote: -Caveat Lector- The Nation ran this story in May. Why is the mainstream press acting so amazed that the militias are now behaving as they are? Why are they so reluctant to state that these acts of terrror are planned and abetted by the Indonesian military and the hapless Indonesian regime? Could it be the fact that the U.S. backed, trained, and financed the Indonesian military? That the U.S. tacitly recognized Indonesia's right to invade and annex East Timor? That it was, in fact, the U.S. that helped create Indonesia's brutal police state in 1965, going so far as to provide the Suharto regime with the names of 30,000 "suspects," most of whom were later disappeared? Once again American "truth, justice, and the American way" is unleashed upon an innocent populous. And once again the American people are deceived and distracted by their own press. Lucio May 31, 1999 License to Kill in Timor http://www.thenation.com/issue/990531/0531nairn.shtml Following the ouster of Indonesia's President Suharto last year, the new government agreed to give the people of East Timor--which was illegally seized by Indonesia a quarter-century ago--the chance to vote for independence. But as veteran journalist Allan Nairn reports, the powerful Indonesian military and its militias in Timor are engaged in a ruthless effort to intimidate the Timorese population. --The Editors Jakarta According to the number-two commander of East Timor's notorious newly formed militias, the Indonesian armed forces (TNI-ABRI) have made a secret "accord" with the militias, authorizing them to assassinate members of local independence groups. Herminio da Costa, chief of staff of the thirteen Timorese militias, says the accord has been in effect since late January. He says it authorizes his men to "attack homes, interrogate and kill members of the CNRT [the National Council of Timorese Resistance, the nonpartisan, pro-independence umbrella group] and Fretilin [a left-leaning pro-independence party]," as long as the militias refrain from common crimes like "car theft and stealing food." Speaking in a series of phone interviews from militia headquarters in occupied Dili, da Costa described how his men had executed unarmed "enemies of the people" but said that these killings had been carried out with prior clearance from TNI-ABRI. Da Costa said he was disclosing the existence of the accord for the first time publicly in order to illustrate his claim that the militias are, in fact, independent. Reacting testily to questions about Jakarta's role in launching the militias, da Costa denied that he and his men were operating with impunity. "We can be arrested at any time like any ordinary Timorese," he said. When asked exactly what he meant by that, da Costa said that the Timor police and army command, with formal approval from Jakarta, had worked out with his men a series of ground rules for mayhem in occupied Timor that, in effect, grant the militias an official--but conditional--license to kill. Da Costa spoke warmly of the Indonesian army now occupying East Timor, an army that has caused the deaths of one-third of the original population. The army guarantees his local business holdings (he claims the militias are self-financing), and he has long served it openly as an informant and collaborator. He praised General Wiranto--now the TNI-ABRI national commander and Indonesia's Defense Minister, who once served in Timor--as a "very good friend"; he said the same of Gen. Zacky Makarim, who now oversees Timor policy. But he complained that since the independence vote for Timor was announced in January (the vote is now set for August 8, under a UN agreement), the army has been under pressure to provide protection for its longtime enemies. Da Costa says the accord was in part a solution to this political problem and in part a means of addressing the fact that "unauthorized violence" by the militias was at times causing headaches for the army and its subunit, the police. Da Costa portrays the militias as an autonomous player in this deal. He says, contrary to much evidence, that the army gives them only "moral support." Even if that were true, it would not change the nature of the accord: In January the army and the militias worked out a division of labor. "Now the ABRI was 'protecting' the Fretilin," da Costa explained, "and we were the ones who were assaulting Fretilin and CNRT homes." He argued strenuously that this license came at a price. The law was laid down to them, da Costa said: no stealing, no mugging, no rackets. In the event of such actions, "we can be arrested and disarmed." He added, "But if we kill CNRT or Fretilin members, no, there is no problem." Consistent with da Costa's claims, none of the militiamen have been arrested for
Re: [CTRL] Going Postal . . .
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/7/99 1:03:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It seems that you do attempt to portend to give people who act out their anger in a negative way, an excuse to do so, perhaps even subconsciously, wish they did have such an excuse. Even if he was provoked? It still does not justify the murders he committed. Crimes of hate are just that. There is simply, no justification. eagle 1 Apparently you have failed to read what I wrote, where I clearly stated that he had no justification for murder, unless his actions were totally controlled from outside. I also acknowledged that you may be 100% correct in your statements. I merely presented a different scenario, not necessarily correct. Why must you twist my words, clearly stated, to make them say something I never said? Incidentally IF the PO KNEW he was unstable when they let him go could they not have done so with the intent of driving him to some violent act. HAD they known of his history of mental aberration COULD they have hired him to "work on him" and then let him go KNOWING they were unleashing something destructive, IF it was some type of experiment? I don't pretend to know the answers. AND I don't condone violence in any fashion, and since my speculations are not provable at this point they are just speculation, but that is what I do, speculate. You may disagree with me, and heartily if you insist, BUT please don't put words in my mouth, I can speak for myself. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] (Fwd) [FAIR-L] ALERT: U.S. Role Missing From East Timor
-Caveat Lector- You are perfectly correct Prudy. Its the only reason Waco is back in the news...damage minimization...but all the people in our govt have been working together with foreign powers for a long time now...they are just actors playing their parts for their pay. "Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/07/1999 1:22:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why do I sense that the net is being pulled in and that whatever it is --that old beast-- is slouching closer and closer to home I even sense that the Waco revelations, which will focus attention once again on Clinton and Reno--and very rightly so--will deflect criticism from George W. and help him sweep into the presidency. I must be depressedis all I wish that was all, Owl. It's really just the realization of what is happening sinking in no matter what you do. You've analyzed the situation very well. Seems like a bad movie where some superhero should come to save us, doesn't it? Well there really are no heroes, and I see no hope at all. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] (Fwd) [FAIR-L] ALERT: U.S. Role Missing From EastTimor
-Caveat Lector- Unshackle Yourself. Kill Your TV. Sno0wl wrote: -Caveat Lector- On 6 Sep 99, , Prudence wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/06/1999 4:24:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For example, in reports from East Timor's capital, the Associated Press and some other news outlets continue to use the dateline "Dili, Indonesia," implying that Indonesia has a legitimate claim over East Timor. This formulation is comparable to a dateline of "Kuwait City, Iraq" in the months following Iraq's illegal annexation of Kuwait. The Washington Post (8/31/99) reported that Timorese were voting on "whether to remain a part of Indonesia." According to the television news, the United States has called on Indonesia to restore law and order. We all know how they do that don't we? If you kill off all the folks in East Timor, they can't complain. Just what our Government wants--a peaceful silence. Maybe this time they can send backhoes to dig pits to throw the bodies in. Peaceful silence is nothing when it accompanies the stench of dead bodies. Prudy Tonight's news seems particularly disturbing. It's not just East Timor, it seems to be happening everywhere--Colombia, Brazil, Detroit And wherever it's happening, wherever people want "independence" or equitable labor laws or any kind of fair treatment, the "media" seems to be suggesting that the upstarts are Marxist guerillas or dangerous subversives, liberals or leftists. And everywhere it would seem the US is supporting the suppressive governments and has trained the paramilitary militias and the government armies who are controlling these malcontentsand, of course, if you are an American with a 401k or almost any savings or investments, you are supporting these suppressive governments and they are contributing to your wellbeing and comfort...so can you really say that what they're doing is wrong (if they are moving against the will of their outraged populations to protect American interests?) and you are profiting from it? Why do I sense that the net is being pulled in and that whatever it is --that old beast-- is slouching closer and closer to home I even sense that the Waco revelations, which will focus attention once again on Clinton and Reno--and very rightly so--will deflect criticism from George W. and help him sweep into the presidency. I must be depressedis all sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FCC MANDATES NEW TELEPHONE SURVEILLANCE FEATURES
-Caveat Lector- FCC MANDATES NEW TELEPHONE SURVEILLANCE FEATURES On Friday, August 27, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) ordered the nation's telephone companies to modify their switching equipment to provide more information to government agencies conducting electronic surveillance. The Commission largely rejected privacy concerns and aligned with the Federal Bureau of Investigation, which had sought the enhanced monitoring capabilities under the 1994 Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA). The decision was the latest step in a long-running struggle over the surveillance potential of communications technology. CALEA was enacted in 1994 after the FBI complained to Congress that new digital technology and other advanced services would soon make it impossible to carry out wiretaps and other electronic surveillance. The FBI originally sought direct control over phone system design. Congress refused to grant the Bureau that kind of power, but adopted CALEA with the intent of balancing law enforcement, privacy and industry interests. Congress made it clear that CALEA was intended to preserve but not enhance government monitoring capabilities. The Act left design decisions to the telephone industry, subject to FCC review. However, soon after CALEA was enacted, the FBI began insisting on very specific surveillance features, including some never before available to the government. After industry worked with law enforcement agencies to draft technical standards to put CALEA into effect, the FBI claimed the industry plans did not go far enough and petitioned the FCC to order additional, specific surveillance features. CDT claimed that the industry plan failed to protect privacy and opposed the FBI's add-ons. _ (2) TURNING CELL PHONES INTO TRACKING DEVICES; OTHER FEATURES The most immediately disturbing element of the FCC's ruling was its requirement that cellular and other wireless phone companies provide the capability to identify where their customers are at the beginning and end of every call, effectively turning wireless phones into tracking devices. In 1994, FBI Director Louis Freeh testified twice before Congress that CALEA did not cover this kind of location information. While many cellular systems already have some ability to locate callers, CDT argued to the FCC that this should not be a mandatory element of system design. CDT was concerned that, as the technology evolves, the FBI is likely to seek more and more precise location information. The FCC ignored the legislative history and rejected CDT's concerns In addition, for both wireline and wireless systems, the FCC ruled that six other specific surveillance features sought by the FBI were required by CALEA. One of the six requires carriers to ensure that the government will be able to continue listening to those on a conference call after the criminal suspect has dropped off the call. Another add-on guarantees the government access to credit card numbers and bank account data generated when a user punches numbers on a telephone. Other add-ons ensure government access to the detailed signaling information generated in connection with calls, information that law enforcement would obtain under a legal standard lower than the one required to conduct a wiretap. CDT and the telephone industry had argued that none of these items was required by CALEA. Carriers are currently required to comply with most aspects of CALEA, including the location mandate, by June 30, 2000. The other features required by the FCC last week must be available to the government by September 30, 2001. _ (3) PACKET SWITCHING - CALEA'S SLEEPER ISSUE One CALEA issue of immense importance has received little press attention: how to conduct electronic surveillance in packet environments. Packet technology, until recently used mainly on the Internet, breaks communication into many small packets, each consisting of some addressing information and some content. For efficiency's sake, the packets may be transported by various routes, and are reassembled at their intended destination to create a coherent communication. Packet technology is becoming increasingly important for voice communications, posing the risk that the government will obtain access to the content portion of packets when it has only satisfied the lower legal standard for intercepting the call routing or addressing information. CDT argued that CALEA imposes on carriers an affirmative obligation to design their equipment, to the extent technically reasonable, to withhold content from the government when the government has not met the legal standard to intercept it. Industry responded that carriers should be allowed to disclose everything to law enforcement, including content, and rely on the government not to read (or listen to) what it is has no
[CTRL] Fwd: WND Clinton CORRUPTION, COLLUSION NEPOTISM
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_smith/19990907_xcsof_corruption.shtml U.S. President Clinton and Indonesian President Suharto have often been accused of being corrupt by their critics. Newly declassified documents now show that both Presidents joined to form an alliance of global corruption, collusion and nepotism. According an October 1998 State Dept. cable from the U.S. Ambassador to Indonesia, J. Stapleton Roy, Clinton administration officials met with Indonesian Director General of Electricity Endro Utomo Notodisoerjo: "Commenting on corruption, collusion and nepotism (KKN), Endro said that in the past there was no separation between 'power' (not electric but former first family power) and business. 'All the IPP's have a relation with power, and it is still going on,' added Endro." On August 19, 1999, the U.S. State Department declassified 26 documents on corruption in American financed electric power projects inside Indonesia. In addition, the State Dept. also elected to withhold parts of 15 documents and three full documents "in the interest of national security or foreign relations." All of the withheld documents concern U.S. financed electric power plant projects inside Indonesia. Another declassified November 1998 State Dept. cable dedicates an entire section on "DEALING WITH UNWANTED PARTNERS." According to the State Dept., U.S. electric power manufacturer El Paso International entered into the Sengkang power project with Suharto's second daughter "Tutut". In an effort to deal with the "unwanted" Suharto partner, El Paso tried to buy Tutut out of the Sengkang project. "Tutut holds two and one half percent in PT Triahsra Sarana, which has a 5 percent share in PT Energi Sengkang. According to Sengkang, Tutut does not intend to divest from the project at this time." The "Unwanted Partners" section also reveals yet-another kickback, this time for a Suharto "crony" instead of a relative. "Unocal executives told resources officer that the firm is close to reaching a deal with its partner, PT Nusamba (controlled by former President Soeharto crony Bob Hasan) to sever ties in two production sharing contracts (PSC) in east Kalmantan and East Java." Each of the 26 documents has some sort of allegation of corrupt activities between U.S. power manufacturers and the Suharto government. In fact, the warnings of corruption came as early as 1996. In April 1996, Ambassador Barry in Jakarta wrote: "Java Power Company has obtained a USD 1.7 billion financing package for its 2 X 610 coal fired Paiton Swasta II power plant... Java Power Company is 50 percent owned by Siemens Power, 35 percent Powergen PLC of the UK and 15 percent by PT Bumiperitwi Tatapradipta. The latter is a subsidiary of the Bimantara Group controlled by Bambang Trihatmodjo, President Soeharto's second son." However, a bribe for Suharto's second son was really nothing new to the Clinton administration in 1996. Previously released documents from the U.S. Commerce Dept. clearly show that the crown jewel of Indonesian power, the Paiton Swasta I project, is actually filled with Suharto corruption. The partners in the Paiton I consortium include Edison Mission Energy, Mitsui Co., Ltd. of Japan, General Electric Capital Corporation, and P.T. Batu Hitam Perkasa. PT Batu is owned by Suharto's youngest daughter, Titek Prabowo and her brother-in-law, Hashim Djojohadikusumo. Federal Election Commission records show that Mission Energy CEO John Bryson donated money to the Clinton/Gore campaign and contributed money to Clinton's legal defense fund. Mission Energy, is also a partner of Indonesia's Lippo group, a consortium part-owned by Indonesian billionaire Moctar Riady and the Chinese Army CITIC (China International Trust and Investment Corporation) bank. Moctar Riady is also accused of illegally donated money to the Clinton/Gore political campaigns. Paiton I was billed as the first "private" electric plant in Indonesia. However, private ownership in Indonesia actually means privately owned and operated by the Suharto "First Family." The Indonesian company that owns, operates and fuels the Paiton I plant under a 30 year, no-cut, contract is PT Batu Hitam Perkasa. Prawabo's brother-in-law, Hashim, also received an exclusive, no bid, no-cut contract to supply coal for the power plant. The State Dept. characterized the over-priced coal contract with Hashim as "the Achilles Heel" of Paiton Swasta I. According to the Commerce Dept., ".75%" of the Paiton project was reserved for Suharto's daughter Prabowo. Prabowo's cut amounted to an instant $15 million. Her kick-back, along with a cut for "brother-in-law" Hashim and various other Suharto relatives, was provided up front, in cash, in the form of a $50 million loan. The $50 million loan was to be paid back by the profits (dividends) returned from the $2.6 billion Paiton project. The U.S. Commerce Dept. documents also state
[CTRL] Centuries-old Scottish secret society discovered
-Caveat Lector- From the Electronic Telegraph, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=000579381554028rtmo=auX9a5uJatmo= pg=/et/99/9/3/bascot03.html - ISSUE 1561 Friday 3 September 1999 Will members be upstanding The British Museum The unlocking of a cupboard in the British Museum led Byron Rogers to discover a centuries-old Scottish secret society, whose followers had some extremely odd rituals SOME weeks ago I wrote about the Secretum, a locked cupboard in the British Museum, which contained the lifetime collection of a one-time Mayor of Bedford. This man had the curious obsession that early religions had their roots in phallus worship and had industriously bought every erect penis in Assyrian, Egyptian and Classical art he could get his hands on. But amongst these was something that was neither anatomical nor ancient - it was a certificate of membership to something described as a dining club. It was called the Beggars Benisson, or blessing. I thought no more about it, assuming someone in the Museum had made a mistake in including this in the Secretum. And then through the post came a book. This was a reprint, with a foreword by the Scottish poet, the late Alan Bold, of an 1892 edition limited to 250 copies and privately distributed in the Scottish town of Anstruther. It consisted of the records of a dining society that had existed in the town from 1732 to 1836. It was called the Beggars Bennison. They were, to quote Dr Richard Gaimster of the British Museum, "the strangest guys imaginable". What they got up to, he went on, was beyond belief. They were also the most influential men in 18th-century Scotland, met twice a year in secret in a ruined castle, and had two things on their minds. One was treason, the other the measurement of their penises. "That is the problem," said David Stevenson, Professor Emeritus of Scottish History at St Andrews University. "Scholars have steered clear of them, thinking it was all a hoax." But their records, I now find, survive, and, what is even more extraordinary, their glass and pewter ware, which, were they to come up for sale, would surely break all records. At Christie's in May a single Jacobite goblet went for £32,000, but, given the sort of collector these pieces would attract, you could name your own price. The names of the Beggars Bennison were recorded in Bold's book. These included pillars of the Scottish establishment, who 20 years earlier would have formed the Scottish Parliament. But with its abolition they apparently assembled at Anstruther, a fishing town on the Firth of Forth, to plot Jacobite politics (one of their number was hanged after the '45, another fled overseas), and to engage in their other little distraction - the measurement and brandishing of their dicks. There is surely a lesson in devolutionary politics here. It is said that they wore ceremonial robes, the Sovereign of the Order a genuine historical relic, a large wig made out of the pubic hair of Charles II's mistresses, and had elaborate rituals, which involved the measurement of their members (on a specially commissioned pewter plate); they had seals and medals and sashes, just like the Freemasons, only to a much more obsessive design, which was engraved on their glassware. No group of men more urgently in need of psychiatric attention, with the exception of the higher ranks of the SS, might be thought to have assembled in one room. Then in Castle Dreel, the treasonable politics (and the measuring) over, they got stuck into supper, after which they would listen to a learned paper on some aspect of sex - as on St Andrew's Day 1733, when they listened to a lecture on menstruation in skate. In skate. By this stage in the book my head was reeling. For all this time some local girl, paid sums ranging from five shillings to a pound, lolled stark naked in a chair, her face covered, with no member of the Order being allowed to touch her. So in 1734 there was "Betty Wilson . . . a bad model and unpleasant". But then Betty was only 15, and there passing before her in emphatic procession were the local Controller of Customs, the Chief Magistrate, the odd earl and bishop (one on his appointment urgently requested that his name be removed from the Order's records), all of them men to whom her mother would have curtsied in the street. Whatever Betty did, it prompted the aggrieved comment, "Resolved against another such row." Two centuries on, my enquiries into the Beggars Bennison were prolonged because of the number of women who became helpless with laughter in various research institutions. "Oh well, that's the morning gone," said one in the National Library of Scotland. The Order had their own Bible, an anthology, with illustrations, of the most prurient passages, decorated with the coats of arms of the Scottish nobility who belonged (from the Duke of Gordon to the Earl of Lauderdale). Even George IV belonged, and when one of the members made off with the wig, the King
[CTRL] Only NSA can listen, so that's OK
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.heise.de/tp/english/inhalt/te/2898/1.html A HREF="http://www.heise.de/tp/english/inhalt/te/2898/1.html"Only NSA can listen, so that's OK/A - Only NSA can listen, so that's OK Duncan Campbell 01.06.99 Export version of Lotus Notes provides trapdoor for NSA. Giant US software manufacturer Lotus has been lowering the profile of information about how they have installed an NSA-only trapdoor into e-mail and conference systems used by many European governments, including the German Ministry of Defence, the French Ministry of Education and Research and the Ministry of Education in Latvia. Last week in Brussels, Lotus staged a lavish "Global Government Forum" to try and gain more government customers for its software. They succeeded in striking a new 500,000 user deal with the Russian Ministry of Higher and Professional Education for the development of a new information infrastructure for the Russian education system. Yet another conference, Lotus Eurosphere '99, will be held in Berlin in October. Lotus claims that its systems are inherently more secure than those from its main rival, Microsoft. However, although details of how the NSA trapdoor works can still be found in some corners of the web (see IBM Redbook, Page 80 ), the key technical papers and press releases which reveal how Lotus worked with NSA to build a special trapdoor into the International Edition of Lotus Notes have disappeared from the web. Visitors to the security pages on Lotus's website are now told that the export version of Lotus Notes uses "a system approved by the US government called "Workgroup Differential" and "encrypt(s) information using 64 bit keys". The name "Workgroup Differential" is meaningless. The correct title is "Differential Workfactor Cryptography". The "differential workfactor" means that the US National Security Agency can break the code on Lotus Notes private messages 16 million times faster than anyone else. How "Differential Workfactor Cryptography" works was revealed by Lotus itself three years ago. Although the documents concerned have now disappeared from the web, Telepolis has obtained copies. In a keynote speech to the RSA Data Security Conference on 17 January 1996, Ray Ozzie, President of Lotus designers Iris Associates revealed how Lotus had come to terms with American government export controls, which prohibited the export of cryptographic systems with a key length over 40 bits. He told them that no-one regarded this as secure: "Our customers have lost confidence in 40-bit crypto. They told us that, if we were going to continue to market 40-bit Lotus Notes overseas, we should stop marketing it as a secure system -- that we should start to call it "data scrambling" or "data masking" instead of encryption". Lotus's answer was a system that let NSA easily read foreign users' e-mail, while improving security against other eavesdroppers. In a paper distributed to the RSA conference, Security Project Leader Charles Kaufman explained in detail how the system worked. When sending e-mail messages, Lotus uses a 64 bit key. But in export editions, 24 bits of the key are broadcast with the message, reducing the effective key length to 40 bits. The 24 bits are encrypted using a public key created by the NSA. This is called the Workfactor Reduction Field. Only NSA can decrypt the information in the Workfactor Reduction Field. Once the key length is reduced to 40 bits, fast modern computers can break the code in seconds or minutes. Only Americans could think that this was an advantage for the Lotus system. In 1996, Kaufman also revealed that Notes had to be weakened even further to prevent users from simply removing the NSA backdoor from being sent along with their messages. To prevent foreign users tampering with the workfactor reduction field, the International Edition of Lotus Notes will refuse to decipher any message which does not contain the correct field. To check this means that the entire key to the message has to be transmitted in the message. The recipient's software then checks that the workfactor reduction field is present and correct. The fact that the full key is sent along with the message creates the possibility of a second backdoor, reducing further. Since these papers were presented openly, European governments have become aware of the enormous scale of communications monitoring by the NSA, and by the Echelon network in particular. The loophole in Lotus Notes made front page news in Sweden in November 1997. Although the company did not deny the allegation, they claimed that the American government would not "misuse" them. Since the row in Sweden, both Lotus and RSA have removed the 1996 papers from their web sites. Another Lotus employee claimed "we haven't weakened the security of international encryption, but actually made it equal to the US security (to everyone but the NSA). We are proud of this arrangement" (our emphasis).
[CTRL] Political implications of simple technological decisions
-Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - A HREF="http://jya.com/msnsa-not.htm"MSNSA Not News/A - 6 September 1999 See related: http://jya.com/msnsa.htm http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/1999/sept99/rsapr.htm From: "Brian Gladman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "UK Crypto List" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: NSA key in Windows Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:23:33 +0100 I am always surprised about just how long it takes to recognise the political implications of simple technological decisions. The Microsoft CAPI issue is well over ***three years old*** and to illustrate this here is a URL for a paper that I wrote in early 1996 to try and get action from the UK government and from the EU when this issue first arose: http://www.seven77.demon.co.uk/capi.pdf [HTML below] In my view the real issue here is not an NSA backdoor (I doubt that one exists in the form postulated) but rather the principle that Microsoft should allow the US government to impose its cryptographic export controls on other sovereign countries by controlling access to the relevant interfaces for integrating cryptographic Service Providers (CSPs) into Windows. When this was topical back in 1996 I objected vigorously to this approach (with ***support*** from GCHQ/CESG!) It took a lot of effort but the UK, at least, did establish a Microsoft UK based capability for signing cryptographic modules separate from that in the US. I might also add that I had access in the UK to the Microsoft CSPDK (Cryptographic Service Provider Developer Kit) in 1997 and the keys now being discussed were openly a part of the CSPDK at the time. If this was an NSA backdoor then they did not make a very good job of hiding it! Hence, while I believe that Microsoft should be criticised for allowing itself to be used by the US government to impose extra-territorial controls on crypto, I am very doubtful that they co-operated in the provision of any backdoor of the form now proposed. Brian 6 September 1999. Thanks to Brian Gladman Source: http://www.seven77.demon.co.uk/capi.pdf (69K, 7 pp.) The International Cryptography Experiment The Third Workshop Dr. B. R. Gladman, 7th Draft, 22nd February 1996 US Government Controls on the Microsoft Cryptographic Application Programming Interface A Paper for the ICE Workshop by Dr Brian Gladman 1. Introduction Recently Microsoft have published a Cryptographic Application Programming Interface (CAPI) for 32 bit applications running on Windows NT (and, possibly, Windows 95). This interface will be provided as a part of the 32 bit applications interface and will allow separate Cryptographic Service Provider (CSP) modules to be plugged into these operating systems. Microsoft has announced its intention to digitally sign supplier provided CSP modules for two reasons: To allow the integrity of supplied CSP modules to be checked by the operating system; To ensure that CSP modules comply with United States export controls on cryptography and cryptographic interfaces. The first of these requirements is straightforward and sensible and will not be discussed further here. The second reason for signature is, however, contentious for reasons which will be discussed below. This paper is concerned, in particular, with the impact of the Microsoft proposals on CSP suppliers and users outside the United States and Canada. 2. Background It is well known that many nations control the provision, use, import and export of cryptographic and related products. The extent of these controls vary from one nation to another but a common practice is that of controlling the export of such products without constraining directly any domestic provision or use. This is the situation in the United States, the United Kingdom and a number of European countries. It is less well understood that these export control laws not only constrain cryptographic and related products but also any products which are specifically designed to interface to, or integrate with, cryptographic products. In effect, therefore, the very principle of openly available Cryptographic Application Programming Interfaces (CAPI) is in direct conflict with the existing export control provisions in many countries. Thus, to integrate a CAPI into their operating systems without making them subject to export control Microsoft has had to establish some rigorous CAPI control procedures. It is important to recognise that this situation is not of Microsofts making. In publishing and promoting a CAPI for use with their products Microsoft has gone as far as it can under US law to establish an improved basis for the provision of cryptographic information security when using their products. The procedures
[CTRL] [6] Chaos and Fractals in Financial Markets
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.35/chaos6.htm A HREF="http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.35/chaos6.htm"Chaos and Fractals in Financial Markets, Part 6 /A -- Chaos and Fractals in Financial Markets Part 6 by J. Orlin Grabbe Prechters Drum Roll Robert Prechter is a drummer. He faces the following problem. He wanted to strike his drum three times, creating two time intervals which have a special ratio: 1g--2h 3 Here is the time ratio he is looking for: he wants the ratio of the first time interval to the second time interval to be the same as the ratio of the second time interval to the entire time required for the three strikes. Let the first time internal (between strikes 1 and 2) be labeled g, while the second time interval (between strikes 2 and 3) be labeled h. So what Prechter is looking for is the ratio of g to h to be the same as h to the whole. However, the whole is simply g + h, so Prechter seeks g and h such that: g / h = h / (g+h). Now. Prechter is only looking for a particular ratio. He doesnt care whether he plays his drum slow or fast. So h can be anything: 1 nano-second, 1 second, 1 minute, or whatever. So lets set h = 1. (Note that by setting h = 1, we are choosing our unit of measurement.) We then have g / 1 = 1 / (1+g). Multiplying the equation out we get g2 + g 1 = 0. This gives two solutions: g = [- 1 + 50.5] / 2 = 0.618033 , and g = [- 1 - 50.5] / 2 = -1.618033 The first, positive solution (g = 0.618033 ) is called the golden mean. Using h = 1 as our scale of measurement, then g, the golden mean, is the solution to the ratio g / h = h / (g+h). By contrast, if we use g = 1 as our scale of measurement, and solve for h, we have 1 / h = h / (1+h), which gives the equation h2 - h 1 = 0. Which gives the two solutions: h = [ 1 + 50.5] / 2 = 1.618033 , and h = [ 1 - 50.5] / 2 = -0.618033 Note that since the units of measurement are somewhat aribitrary, h has as much claim as g to being the solution to Prechters drum roll. Naturally, g and h are closely related: h (using g as the unit scale) = 1/ g (using h as the unit scale). for either the positive or negative solutions: 1.618033 = 1/ 0.618033 -0.618033 = 1/ -1.618033. What is the meaning of the negative solutions? These also have a physical meaning, depending on where we place our time origin. For example, lets let the second strike of the drum be time t=0: g--0h Then we find that for g = -1.618033, h = 1, we have -1.618033 /1 = 1/ [1 - 1.618033]. So the negative solutions tell us the same thing as the positive solutions; but they correspond to a time origin of t = 0 for the second strike of the drum. The same applies for g = 1, h = -0.618033, since 1 / -0.618033 = -0.618033/(1 0.618033), but in this case time is running backwards, not forwards. The golden mean g, or its reciprocal equivalent h, are found throughout the natural world. Numerous books have been devoted to the subject. These same ratios are found in financial markets. Symmetric Stable Distributions and the Golden Mean Law In Part 5, we saw that symmetric stable distributions are a type of probability distribution that are fractal in nature: a sum of n independent copies of a symmetric stable distribution is related to each copy by a scale factor n1/ a , where a is the Hausdorff dimension of the given symmetric stable distribution. In the case of the normal or Gaussian distribution, the Hausdorff dimension a = 2, which is equivalent to the dimension of a plane. A Bachelier process, or Brownian motion (as first covered in Part 2), is governed by a T1/a = T1/2 law. In the case of the Cauchy distribution (Part 4), the Hausdorff dimension a = 1, which is equivalent to the dimension of a line. A Cauchy process would be governed by a T1/a = T1/1 = T law. In general, 0 a =2. This means that between the Cauchy and the Normal are all sorts of interesting distributions, including ones having the same Hausdorf dimension as a Sierpinski carpet (a = log 8/ log 3 = 1.8927 .) or Koch curve (a = log 4/ log 3 = 1.2618 .). Interestingly, however, many financial variables are symmetric stable distributions with an a parameter that hovers around the value of h = 1.618033, where h is the reciprocal of the golden mean g derived and discussed in the previous section. This implies that these market variables follow a time scale law of T1/a = T1/h = Tg = T0.618033... That is, these variables following a T-to-the-golden-mean power law, by contrast to Brownian motion, which follows a T-to-the-one-half power law. For example, I estimated a for daily changes in the dollar/deutschemark exchange rate for the first six years following the breakdown of the Bretton Woods Agreement of fixed exchange rates in 1973. [1] (The time period was July 1973 to June 1979.) The value of a was calculated using maximum
Re: [CTRL] Centuries-old Scottish secret society discovered
-Caveat Lector- I always thought those frat rat types were a bunch of dicks __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Seeing Daniel
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.35/daniel.htm A HREF="http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.35/daniel.htm"Seeing Daniel, a story by Don Lobo Tiggre/A - Seeing Daniel a story by Don Lobo Tiggre I was on the phone with Kate on a Thursday afternoon, when her receptionist buzzed to say that her mother was on the line. "That's weird," she said, and hung up. She knew I'd understand; her mother rarely called, and never called her at the office. A minute later, the receptionist buzzed me. "You'd better come down right away, she needs you." "Thanks," I said, and bolted from my officehers was in the same building as mine. It seems like I remember seeing worried faces flash by as I ran through the corridors, but how could they know? "Her brother committed suicide," someoneher receptionist?said as I passed. Kate was almost lying on her desk, gripping the phone in a fist, holding her head up with her other hand. She was sobbing, like the day she wrecked her 300ZX. I put both hands on her shoulders and squeezed gently. She felt feverish. What could I say? "I can't believe this is happening!" She was still speaking into the phone. I found myself thinking that those words sounded like something from a movie. Maybe those movie writers aren't so stupid after all; I knew that what I was hearing was raw emotion. I backtracked, closed the door, and waited. Some time later, she hung up. I don't remember her standing up, but I remember holding her for a long time. The heat of her crying left her trembling. Her chest heaved quietly, and for a while, she seemed like a child: hurt, bewildered, and lost. "I don't know what to do," she finally said. "Let me take you home, and you can decide there," I suggested. "Okay." * * * Kate was almost calm by the time I got her home. She wouldn't be put to bed, and started packing immediately. She had me call a travel agency to see how much a plane ticket would be. "Hello," I said to the woman who answered, "I'm calling for a friend who's just had a death in the family, and I'm wondering if you could tell me how much it would be to catch the first flight from one of the Washington area airports to Latrobe, Pennsylvania." Over the phone, I could hear the clicking sound of long nails on a keyboard. "What is your friend's name?" I told her. Clickety-click. "What is your name?" I told her. Clickety-click-click. But was wondering: what did it matter? "And what relation was the deceased?" "Her brother." Click-clickety-click. Look lady, forget the twenty questions, just gimme that fare, willya? "In order to get the bereavement fare I'm going to need the name of the funeral home, the name of the funeral home's director, and the date and time of the service." "Listen, we just found out, and we don't know any of those things. Can you just tell us what the regular fare would be?" "Well, if I booked it regular, it would be hard to change it to the discounted rate later." "Just tell me what it would cost!" There was a pause on the other end. Kate was looking as though she wanted to jump through the phone and do something violent to the travel agent. The agent returned. "I just talked to my supervisor, and if you could get us the name of the attending physician and his phone number, we could get you the special rate." "Please just tell me what it would cost!" "Well, the bereavement fare would be $290, and the regular fare would be $590." I didn't need to ask Kate to know what her answer would be. "Forget it," I said, "we'll drive." * * * We arrived at the house Daniel had shared with his mother, whom everyone called Mom, and her boyfriend at about a quarter to ten that night. Mother and daughter hugged silently for many minutes. I shook hands with the boyfriend, and we stood by, not quite sure what to do. The desire to say something comforting was overpowering, but the utter impossibility of making the pain go away was paralyzing. No words would ever do. "Thanks for bringing her." Mom finally broke the silence. "Its the least I could do." I answered. "Would you two like something to eat or drink? People have been bringing food by all day, and I'll never be able to eat it all..." She gestured toward the dining room table. It was covered with deli platters, loaves of bread, pies, and assorted other home-baked goods. Fruit arrangements and grocery bags could be seen cluttering every horizontal surface in the kitchen. No one felt like eating right away. "Your father will be here in about an hour." Her voice quavered. The effort it took to stay in control was as evident as the tear tracks on her cheeks. "He and his friend are going to be staying at The Lion Rose. They may have room for you two as well, unless you want to use..." She tipped her head toward Daniel's room. "No!" Kate shook her head violently. "I can't go in there yet. The Lion Rose will be fine, if they have room." The door to Daniel's room loomed in our awareness for a moment. No one
Re: [CTRL] no mind control - was: [CTRL] (no subject)
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Fred Saluga [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have never been a victim of mind control, but I would be interested in information concerning your organization. What makes you think this is an organization? Do we LOOK organized? How do you know that you've never been subjected to mind control? Wouldn't a sophisticated MC program hide itself, deceiving you to think that you're NOT controlled? How do we know that you're not an agent of a MC group, sent to infiltrate us? Why are you really seeking information about us? What's your program? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Seeing Daniel
-Caveat Lector- Thanks for thatsome damned good writingb DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #2
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990907b - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. : No piezoelectric crystals were smashed during production of this bulletin. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Trading Superhighways For Superstitions. (U-WIRE) TOWSON, Md. - Researcher Roland Chattaway doesn't believe in trolls. But when he studies folklore in Iceland this year, he may be in the minority. Trolls, who according to legend inhabit the rocks hills of Iceland, still wield a considerable influence on the North Atlantic island, so much so that construction projects have often been canceled so the mythic creatures would not be disturbed. http://news.excite.com/news/uw/990902/odd-149 : Do you avoid disturbing supernatural entities? Do you build roads around sacred/cursed sites? Have you ever been attacked by trolls? Who prevailed? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ @ A UFO Visits Ohio In 1858 In 'The Ilustrated Silent Friend'. Three years after the publication of Walt Whitmans Leaves of Grass, a mysterious miniature book appeared in the bookstalls of New York City. Just large enough to fit in the palm, and easily hidden in a gentleman's pocket or a ladys knitting bag, 'The Illustrated Silent Friend,' by William Earl, M.D., of 12 White Street, offered an extraordinary variety of arcane information. http://www.sightings.com/ufo3/visits.htm : Have you been visited by aliens? Were/are they silent? Have you any silent friends? What planets are they from? Have you visited their homes? Have fun? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Only NSA can listen, so that's OK - Export version of Lotus Notes provides trapdoor for NSA. Giant US software manufacturer Lotus has been lowering the profile of information about how they have installed an NSA-only trap- door into e-mail and conference systems used by many European governments, including the German Ministry of Defence, the French Ministry of Education and Research and the Ministry of Education in Latvia. Spying on friends for fun profit: http://www.heise.de/tp/english/inhalt/te/2898/1.html : What agencies would you like to have spying on your sovereign govt? Do you mind that US agents surveill you? Should everybody spy on everybody else?? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Gadhafi develops high-tech car. TRIPOLI, Libya (AP) Wondering what Libya's Moammar Gadhafi was up to during all those years of sanctions? He was busy inventing the world's safest car, called "the rocket," one that would make James Bond green with envy over its high-tech features. Gadhafi's "Saroukh el-Jamahiriya" or Libya's rocket is meant to highlight the Libyan leader's concern for humanity and human life. "The invention of the safest car in the world is proof that the Libyan revolution is built on the happiness of man." See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2561045779-123 : What is the basis of your revolution? Have you designed any safe devices? Did aliens help you? Have you renounced terrorism? Are you bombed? Where?? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ @ Mafiocracy. The shadowy character of organized crime has already shifted into a phase that might be unrecognizable to a society saturated with sensational ethnic stereotypes and romances about gangsters and mafiosi. The new global world economy the technology that serves as its vehicle provide previously unimaginable opportunites for fraud, money laundering, and other forms of wrongdoing. As political realities change, those seeking to profit from power have also adjusted their methods. http://www.disinfo.com/disinfo?p=foldertitle=Mafiocracy : Are you a member of a criminal organization? Is your group governmental, private, religious, alien? How much power wealth have you accumulated?? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ SkeptiBriefs: # Run Away! Deadly Potatoes! OSLO (Reuters) Police have confiscated a potentially lethal home-made cannon capable of firing potatoes up to 50 yards. http://news.excite.com/news/r/990907/10/odd-potato # Nutritionist Backs Flatulence For Health. WELLINGTON (Reuters) It may not be socially acceptable, but passing gas is good for your health, according to Australian corporate nutrition consultant Matt O'Neill. http://news.excite.com/news/r/990907/10/odd-life-flatulence # Academics Down Scalpels To Demand More Corpses. TEGUCIGALPA, Honduras (Reuters) Anatomy professors at the medical school at Honduras's main university said Sunday they were on strike to demand administrators supply them with more cadavers from hospitals and morgues. Basta ya! http://news.excite.com/news/r/990907/10/odd-honduras-cadavers _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ SkeptiLinks: # REPTILIOID 'CANDID CAMERA' FOUNDER DEAD - 'One of the inventors of reality television': http://cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/TV/9909/06/obit.funt/ @ Area 51 Random Link. Visit a random alien, Area 51, or UFO
[CTRL] US seeks N Korea missile deal
-Caveat Lector- Can you say 'extortion'? How is it that N. Korea has these missiles ready when the last 'deal' said that they would stop developing them? What's to stop them from taking this package of concessions and continuing to develop their missile program? Hilary http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_44/440710.stm Tuesday, September 7, 1999 Published at 13:25 GMT 14:25 UK US seeks N Korea missile deal Border tensions have increased in the build-up to talks The United States is hoping to ease tensions in the Far East by persuading North Korea to freeze its ballistic missile programme in return for a package of concessions. Negotiators from the two sides begin five days of talks in Berlin on Tuesday aimed at improving the atmosphere on the Korean peninsula. Koreans are calling these the "KK talks", after Charles Kartman, the US envoy, and his opposite number, Kim Gye-gwan, the deputy North Korean foreign minister. For its part, North Korea wants to re-draw its sea-border with South Korea, which was the scene of clashes in June when a North Korean torpedo boat was sunk. Missile test fears Our correspondent in South Korea's capital Seoul, Andrew Wood, says the two delegations have plenty to talk about, but mistrust is rife on both sides. For months relations between North Korea and the rest of the world have been dominated by Pyongyang's preparations to test launch a ballistic missile. Last year it fired a rocket over Japan. North Korea's latest model might be powerful enough to reach the United States. The US is believed to be offering a series of political and economic incentives for the North Koreans to end the missile test programme. But, along with Tokyo and Seoul, Washington has warned that another launch could bring economic penalties against the North. Broken promises In 1994 Pyongyang agreed to freeze its nuclear programme, which could produce weapons-grade plutonium, in return for a US undertaking to arrange construction of two safer light-water reactors. Now, North Korea says there are unacceptable delays in construction of the reactors and accuses the US of breaking a promise to end economic sanctions. The US says it had already begun to lift some restrictions, but points out that further progress depends on North Korea improving relations with its neighbour and enemy to the south. Our correspondent says that in fact relations have deteriorated in the past week. Talking tough South Korean analysts say the North is acting tough on the sea-border issue to improve its negotiating position at the Berlin talks. On Tuesday, the North's Korean Central News Agency warned its neighbour that it "would exercise strong self-defence" if the South "intruded into the military demarcation line" in the Yellow Sea. Analysts also say the North intends to exact a high price for cancelling its ballistic missile programme. Since 1995 North Koreans have been largely dependent on foreign food aid after the agricultural industry collapsed following years of mismanagement and bad weather. North Korea remains technically at war with its southern neighbour after the 1950-53 war ended in an armed truce rather than a peace agreement. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [InTheShadows] Earthquake rocks Athens
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Hilary A. Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_44/440773.stm Tuesday, September 7, 1999 Published at 16:02 GMT 17:02 UK Earthquake rocks Athens Greek television shows first scenes of the damage An earthquake has shaken the Greek capital Athens, killing at least 13 people and leaving many others trapped inside collapsed buildings. Thousands of people fled into streets when the tremor struck around 1500 local time (1200 GMT), as many were taking an afternoon siesta. People were hit by falling glass, concrete and marble slabs. At least three were killed when a building collapsed in the northern working-class surburb of Menidi. Is this Turkish revenge? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Why Would Federal Operatives Want All the Davidians Dead?
-Caveat Lector- "Also on Sunday, filmmaker Michael McNulty, who has questioned government findings that the Davidians were responsible for their tragic end, said on ``Fox News Sunday'' that he had new evidence that federal operatives were firing ``long streams of automatic weapons fire'' at the back of the compound, preventing those inside from escaping the fire." This is very interesting!!! Why would they want everyone dead? Hilary Monday September 6 1:24 AM ET Republicans Vow Probe Into Waco Full Coverage Waco Investigation http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/19990906/pl/waco_investigation_27.html By JIM ABRAMS Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON (AP) - Congress returns this week with Republicans intent on investigating the latest Waco dispute and asking whether Janet Reno should resign over what one senator said was a Justice Department ``in shambles.'' On the Democratic side, Sen. Charles Schumer of New York said Sunday he had written GOP committee chairmen asking them to put off hearings until an independent investigator finishes looking into new controversies swirling around the 1993 siege of the Branch Davidian compound. Schumer, on ABC's ``This Week,'' said hearings would probably descend into partisan squabbling. ``My worry is that congressional investigations would bring up a lot of heat and not very much light.'' But Sen. Phil Gramm, R-Texas, said Congress must be involved. ``You can't have the country misled for six years by the Justice Department and the FBI and not have Congress do something about it,'' he said on ABC. At issue is recent FBI revelations that it fired several flammable tear gas canisters at a storm shelter hours before the main Branch Davidian building went up in flames. The FBI and the Justice Department had previously denied use of any incendiary devices, and investigations will focus on whether this misinformation was the result of a bureaucratic slip-up or a coverup. The Justice Department insists there is no change in conclusions that it was David Koresh and his followers that started the fatal fire. The department also stresses that military special operations officers were on the scene only as observers and advisers, and not in an illegal capacity as participants in the operation. Any GOP-led investigation would be sure to touch on the competence of Reno, who has constantly clashed with Republicans over campaign finance and Chinese spying scandals, to be attorney general. Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, on NBC's ``Meet the Press'' and CNN's ``Late Edition,'' said he had lost confidence in Reno's ability to lead. ``The Justice Department is in a shambles. There is a demoralization over there because they realize they are not doing the job.'' FBI Director Louis Freeh, in contrast, is the ``single best'' director he had known, Hatch said. On Freeh's reported differences with Reno, Hatch said ``you don't want some milquetoast guy in there who won't stand up and do what's right.'' Schumer, however, said there was a double standard in attacking Reno and defending Freeh when it was the FBI that was apparently responsible for not getting the facts to Reno, their ultimate superior. President Clinton, asked by reporters Saturday if he had confidence in Reno and Freeh, pointedly supported Reno but not Freeh. On Freeh, he said he said there wasn't ``any purpose to assign blame until the investigation is concluded.'' Reno is expected to name an outside investigator sometime this week, with the emphasis on an impartial judge, possibly a Republican, who is respected by both sides. ``As the attorney general has said, she wants to get to the bottom of this and will appoint an outside investigator to do just that,'' Justice Department spokesman Myron Marlin said. Freeh was not FBI director at the time of the Waco siege, but did head the agency later when Reno, relying on FBI information, was denying that flammable devices were used against the Branch Davidians. ``Maybe Louis Freeh is to blame too,'' Gramm said. ``Maybe they both should go.'' Former Attorney General Dick Thornburgh, on CNN, said it was ``very regrettable that people up to and including the president are now being asked to choose sides. This is unprecedented. I have never seen a situation like this where there has been this split between the two agencies.'' But Hatch also said he had talked to both Reno and Freeh this week and had been assured by both that they were on good terms and reports of differences between the two were blown out of proportion. Also on Sunday, filmmaker Michael McNulty, who has questioned government findings that the Davidians were responsible for their tragic end, said on ``Fox News Sunday'' that he had new evidence that federal operatives were firing ``long streams of automatic weapons fire'' at the back of the compound, preventing those inside from escaping the fire. Former FBI agent Richard Schwein, who was at Waco, said that was ``absolutely
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [CTRL] Waco, Vince Foster, and the Secret War 1/2
-Caveat Lector- I want to thank you for your writings on the subject, it helps me to understand a murky subject and prompts discussion and clarifications. Om K In a message dated 9/7/99 8:42:49 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this disinformation? I do not know. If it is disinformation, then that is interesting in itself. For then the question would be why a Branch Davidian, in the first few months after the final assault at Waco, would be spreading false stories about a possible INSLAW link to Waco. I wish someone--not me, but a real investigator--would look into this. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Flatland On The Transformation of a Butterfly
Dear Rob, John Lennon once told Ken Kesey that behind the blinding spotlight of fame and publicity you will find the cross-hairs of a rifle scope. I think you jeopardize Julia Butterfly by raising her to the status of an icon. I don't demean her actions and commitment. I'm pulling for her. But is she a Rosa Parks? Let me put it this way: Ask a white, single-mother waitress to choose between transforming into a black woman in the Deep South in the 1950s, or her transformation into a Butterfly who lives in a tree house with a cell phone and a laptop and a domestic staff of sparse-bearded young field hippies who bring her fresh veggies and springwater and recharged nicad batteries, and who delicately dispose of her nightsoil in an environmentally correct procedure while she sips green tea and writes poetry whiling away the hours punctuated by journalists calling for interviews about her spirituality. Call me a cynic, but most women will choose Treehouse Number Two. "Honey, show me the ladder!" Let's be real. Correct. I'd also choose being Julia over being burned to a stake like Joan of Arc. Still, Cal Ripken has it easier than all three of them, though I suppose being able to hit a fastball earns you some deserved luxury. And Rob, for the love of Truth, don't be so mealy-mouthed when it comes to discussing the very real questions that remain about the Judi Bari bombing. I don't expect you to agree with the large and growing band of doubters up here on the North Coast, but you say that Flatland's stories on the bombing have been "promoted by news outlets... who have had a bone to pick with the political cause of Earth First!" That's not true! The only "outlets" that have covered the stories (by Ed Gehrman and Don Foster) were, for one, the Anderson Valley Advertiser, whose publisher, Bruce Anderson, is a strong supporter of the "political cause" of deep ecology. Both Ed Gehrman and I participated in Redwood Summer in 1990, despite the bombing. (Ahem. Where were YOU?) Bruce Anderson and Alexander Cockburn both spoke at that demonstration. Cockburn later reported about the Flatland stories in Counterpunch. That's it as far as media coverage goes. Who says these guys have a "bone to pick with Earth First!?" Put yourself in my shoes for a minute. What's been going on here is that every paper, from the major dailies on down to the free papers of Northern California, along with the "public radio" stations, refuses to cover a major news story published by Flatland. We named names, solved the case, and the country's leading attributional scholar added a second opinion that Sweeney most likely did the bombing of Judi Bari. The Oakland Police, the FBI, the Justice Department, the Redwood Summer Justice Project, the SF Chronicle, KPFA, KZYX, KMUD, all agree on one thing: ignore Flatland. Now, if it were true that all these oligarchic media outlets covered Flatland's casebook on the Bari bombing because they oppose the politics of EF!, then where are these articles? I saw none. Imagine yourself in my shoes as a publisher: you've got the biggest, best story you ever published, one with real newsworthiness, a hot yarn with sex and bombs and typewriters, well-researched, and ready to face any challenge in court. After a brief fizzle, a small band of liars and criminals succeeds in totally quelching the story, major newspaper reporters want to cover it, but are prevented from doing so by fine-haired corporate newspaper lawyers. Nobody sues Flatland (and I still say, make my day, punk.) Fair enough. I do know that Cockburn wasn't the biggest fan of Bari, and wrote a not-so-kind obituary of her when she died (though kinder than mine of Mother Teresa and John-John.) I also know much of the local media wasn't the kindest to Earth First!, because that isn't where the money is, and went along with the "Judi bombed herself" story as long as the FBI absurdly promoted it. But if my description of Flatland being promoted is incorrect (and it appears it is) I will correct that part of the story. Let me add one thing: I wasn't trying to demean the story by stating that it was "promoted by news outlets... who have had a bone to pick with the political cause of Earth First!" Perhaps it sounded that way, but it wasn't. The latest "revelations" on Waco (which really are old news) are being promoted by mouth-foaming reactionaries like Bob Barr, as well as George W. Bush, who stands to gain from the Waco revelations by smearing Klinton-Gore. And yet, despite this, Waco was a massacre, even if this fact is being promoted by politicians for cynical, self-serving reasons. I thought it was interesting that Counterpunch and other media outlets were so interested in this story as compared to your other previous fine work, which undoubtedly they would've termed "fringe" and "crackpot." Call me a cynic, but I suspect the sudden embrace of one of your magazine's work is more out of convenience than of sudden enlightenment.
[CTRL] E-Mail Problems
-Caveat Lector- Well, I may wind up having to use another address again... Netscape WebMail is giving me all sorts of problems, which I am trying to troubleshoot with WebMail support. I had 300-odd messages when I logged on this morning; somehow they all got deleted... If I weren't a helpdesk analyst myself, I'd suspect Nefarious Forces. Instead, it's just the usual GIGO. Aaaarrrggghhh! = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [SC] Re: [InTheShadows] Earthquake rocks Athens
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Hilary A. Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Ric Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_44/440773.stm Earthquake rocks Athens Is this Turkish revenge? I'm not convinced of that. I find it interesting that 2 major cities have been hit by earthquakes in the past month. I don't necessarily see a conspiracy behind this just a troubling trend possibly emerging. Make that, two urban areas in the Aegean - same zone of seismic activity. Like having a major shake in San Francisco this week, and Los Angeles rocking-out next week. This happens. But since major US officials were in Istanbul at the time of the Turkey quake, it'd be interesting to see who's in Athens right now. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Pseudoenvironmentalist War Against People of America
-Caveat Lector- They are desperate, because changes in technology threaten to solve most of the environmental problemsthat they claim to care about. == A technocratic myth propagated by those who deify science. Technology now promises what religion never delivered - eternal life. Yet more empty promises from those who would control - the priestly robes have merely changed into white lab coats. Technology cannot save the earth because no matter what kind of technology one uses, resources are needed to be drawn from the earth in order to transmute into energy for the "needs" of humanity. The only thing that can save us is slowing down and deciding to "need" less. For starters, get off the sugar, nicotine, and caffeine and you will be less frantic for stimulation and satisfaction; hence, you will use less resources. If technology was the answer to environmental problems then Americans, the most technologically advanced people on the planet, would not use roughly 800 times the resources as the average earthling, which we do. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Pseudoenvironmentalist War Against People of America
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Follows From: K [EMAIL PROTECTED] They are replacing real environmentalists with radical socialists whose sole purpose is to impose federal control over every aspect of our lives == Whether you are a fan of democracy or socialism or any other theoretical social system, nothing you try to implement will work as well as it does on paper because no matter what system we use, what will make or break it is whether or not we see to it that we have an informed voting public. In the former Soviet Union, AS IN THE PRESENT DAY UNITED STATES, there was no informed voting public - and there isn't here now. If you are for true representative goverment, then you must be for representative socialism over non-representative ANYTHING. I REPEAT: the issue we need to be tackling is the one of an informed vs. an uninformed voting public. I submit that either democracy or socialism would function better than anything we have known if we work on that one issue. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Please help!
-Caveat Lector- I am helping to stop the abuse of presidential executive orders. This issue is very important. Please help. Go to http://www.ExecutiveOrders.org to learn more about it and to help out. Todays subliminal message is " " Powered by Pegasus Mail for Windows v. 3.02 beta 14 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: CTRL: Excerpt:Formal Charges Against the Fed by LouisMcfadden1933
-Caveat Lector- Isn't McFadden the guy who was poisoned at a political dinner and died? D On May 23, 1933, Congressman, Louis T. McFadden, brought formal charges against the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve Bank system, The Comptroller of the Currency and the Secretary of United States Treasury for numerous criminal acts, including but not limited to, CONSPIRACY, FRAUD, UNLAWFUL CONVERSION, AND TREASON. The petition for Articles of Impeachment was thereafter referred to the Judiciary Committee and has YET TO BE ACTED ON World Enslavement Planned "Mr. Chairman, when the Fed was passed, the people of these United States did not perceive that a world system was being set up here which would make the savings of the American school teacher available to a narcotic-drug vendor in Acapulco. They did not perceive that these United States was to be lowered to the position of a coolie country which has nothing but raw material and heart, that Russia was destined to supply the man power and that this country was to supply the financial power to an"international superstate". A superstate controlled by international bankers, and international industrialists acting together to enslave the world for their own pleasure? "The people of these United States are being greatly wronged. They have been driven from their employment's. They have been dispossessed from their homes. They have been evicted from their rented quarters. They have lost their children. They have been left to suffer and die for lack of shelter, food, clothing and medicine. "The wealth of these United States and the working capital have been taken away from them and has either been locked in the vaults of certain banks and the great corporations or exported to foreign countries for the benefit of the foreign customers of these banks and corporations. So far as the people of the United States are concerned, the cupboard is bare. "It is true that the warehouses and coal yards and grain elevators are full, but these are padlocked, and the great banks and corporations hold the keys. "The sack of these United States by the Fed is the greatest crime in history. "Mr. Chairman, a serious situation confronts the House of Representatives today. We are trustees of the people and the rights of the people are being taken away from them. Through the Fed the people are losing the rights guaranteed to them by the Constitution. Their property has been taken from them without due process of law. Mr. Chairman, common decency requires us to examine the public accounts of the Government and see what crimes against the public welfare have been committed. "What is needed here is a return to the Constitution of these United States. "The old struggle that was fought out here in Jackson's time must be fought our over again. The independent United States Treasury should be reestablished and the Government should keep its own money under lock and key in the building the people provided for that purpose. "Asset currency, the devise of the swindler, should be done away with. The Fed should be abolished and the State boundaries should be respected.Bank reserves should be kept within the boundaries of the States whose people own them, and this reserve money of the people should be protected so that the International Bankers and acceptance bankers and discount dealers cannot draw it away from them. "The Fed should be repealed, and the Fed Banks, having violated their charters, should be liquidated immediately. Faithless Government officials who have violated their oaths of office should be impeached and brought to trial. Full text at: http://www.luxefaire.com/newpage8.htm DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL
Re: [CTRL] Pseudoenvironmentalist War Against People of America
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Follows From: Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] our avocation was more than threatened by certain actions of the administration whereby public use of public lands was being radically restrictedthey were blatantly sloughing the blame for environmental problems off on the people, versus where it should go, corporation and dirty industry == i have been involved with hundreds of environmental groups and those that would blame the camper over the corporate polluter are a miniscule minority. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] OT: Humor: Liberals
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Follows From: "Damian B. Cooper" [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Whoever did this REALLY needs help." DBC == I suspect you are either suggesting that we let the mugger run amok without any attention or you are suggesting that we send the mugger to Career Criminal School, for ten years or so. Am I correct? __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JANET RENO SHOULD BE CHARGED WITH MURDER ONE!
-Caveat Lector- As long as I am allowed to say, "yes, i pulled the trigger but i was only taking orders," then we will continue to have people committing murder and blaming it on others, like one's boss. Imagine if all those ATF agents just KNEW that in a court of law, each of them would be deemed responsible for killing and that none of them could legally get away with saying, "Janet told me to do it." I believe there might not have been a massacre at Mt. Carmel if we thought that way, as a culture. What kind of a future do YOU wish to support? __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Taliban Toll
-Caveat Lector- From TheFreeRepublic Pakistan's proxy war in Afghanistan Foreign Affairs Opinion (Published) Keywords: PAKISTAN, AFGHANISTAN, TALEBAN, ISLAM, MUSLIM, TERRORISM, WAR, TALIBAN Source: The Hindu Published: Tuesday, September 7, 1999 Author: By Qamar Agha Posted on 09/06/1999 14:57:03 PDT by Jai Pakistan is engaged in yet another proxy war in Afghanistan, where the Islamabad-backed Taliban militia is fighting a bloody conflict with the forces of Mr. Ahmad Shah Masood, a Tajik leader belonging to the Northern Alliance opposed to the Pashtoon- dominated Government. It is a fight to the finish for the Taliban which wants to eliminate the Opposition control in the remaining territory of Afghanistan. The Taliban's ``summer offensive'' in Afghanistan was also designed to make up for the losses the Pakistan army and the militants suffered in Kargil. Islamabad hoped that the Taliban victory would boost the morale of its forces and the militants and help contain the growing anti- government sentiments in Pakistan. So far, the Taliban has not been able to wrest much of the territory from Mr. Masood. Initial victories turned out to be a nightmare as over 1,000 Taliban militants were killed and the Islamabad militia had to make a tactical retreat'' from the captured territories. Still, the Taliban controls more than 80 per cent of the territory but it does not enjoy popular support among the people in Afghanistan. It is not the product of a national movement. The Taliban essentially was created by the Pakistan security forces. Its members are mainly Pashtoons living in Pakistan, having studied in Saudi-funded religious seminaries there. These madrassas are run by the Jamaat-i-Islami and the Jamiat Ulema-i-Islam belonging to the Deoband school of thought. Both the organisations subscribe to the fundamentalist interpretation of Islam. Being conservative, they are opposed to any meaningful role for women outside their homes and they nurse a strong anti-Shia bias. The Taliban has been maintaining its hold over the vast territories through sheer repression. It treats the non-Pashtoon areas as occupied territory. This time when it advanced towards the Shomali region, north of capital Kabul, more than a lakh civilians fled because for fear of the Taliban. The Taliban indulges in all sorts of crimes including the massacre of innocent people living in the non-Pashtoons areas. It adopts the ``scorched earth'' policy to maintain its hold and is accused of torching homes and levelling apple orchids, vineyards and farmlands. The terror tactics include the use of heavy-artillery fire. The Taliban's first largescale massacres were committed against the ethnic Hazaras, Shia minority living in Mazar-e-sharif, Bumiyan and other towns. But these massacres were not condemned even by the liberal Sunni Muslim religious organisations in Pakistan as well as in India. The conspicuous silence of the Barelies and the various Sufi sects has all the more encouraged the Taliban and it now indulges in similar acts against its own co-religionists, belonging to the Tajik, Uzbek and other ethnic minorities. The liberal Sunni Muslims of the entire Indian subcontinent failed to realise that they were the main target of attack. In Afghanistan, the Taliban is systematically targeting the Dargahs and the Khankhas of the Sufi saints, and imposes restrictions on the Taziadari during Moharram. It describes these practices as anti-Islamic. Pakistan is not bothered about the plight of the innocent civilians. It is estimated that over a million have been killed and some seven lakh women made widows, in addition to the millions who became refugees or were internally displaced. Pakistan is basically using religion to gain control over Afghanistan. It wants to use the Afghan territory to reach the newly-independent Central Asian republics where large deposits of natural gas, oil and other resources are found. Its game plan is to bring oil and gas through pipeline to Pakistan via Afghanistan and isolate Iran in the region. Islamabad has neither the technology nor the resources. Therefore, it is using religion to gain influence in these republics where the people are trying to rediscover their religious identity after the collapse of the Soviet Union. The Taliban was created basically to serve Islamabad's regional ambitions as well as the U.S. interests, which included the containment of Iran. Teheran was perceived as a hostile launching-pad for anti- American terrorist activities, but the Taliban has not been able to contain Iran because it has failed to establish itself as a credible political force that could bring about order, stability and national reconciliation in Afghanistan. Therefore, Pakistan is recruiting its own nationals to help the Taliban gain territory and counter-balance Osama bin Laden's influence in the organisation so that, in case if he is arrested or
[CTRL] Intelligence from Olde Britland
-Caveat Lector- From antiwar.com " ... to do wrong, and gain nothing by it, is surely to add folly to fault." September 7, 1999 SYDNEY SMITH: A POUND OF MOTHERWIT AND AN OUNCE OF CLERGY Sydney Smith (1771- 1845) was an Anglican minister chiefly remembered, not for his contributions to ecclesiastical management or theology, much less orthodoxy, but for his humorous commentary on the folly he saw around him. Many of his contemporaries thought him the greatest satirist and all-around English wit since Swift. Lord Lansdowne called him "an odd mixture of Punch and Cato." Smith is perhaps most often quoted these days for his views on war and especially from his letter to Lady Grey (of which more, soon enough). He was an adherent of the Whig party and his ideas on war, peace, and other questions flowed from his commitment to the classical liberal values to be found, a good part of the time, in that party. Later in life, Smith concluded that no political party was the faithful guardian of the people's liberties. As his literary biographer, Hesketh Pearson1, remarks, the main problem in reconstructing Smith's sayings (much less his world outlook) is that he lacked a Boswell to follow him around and write down his every word. His friends and acquaintances were generally too overcome with laughter to reconstruct exactly what he had said. We are thus left with Smith's published writings, letters, and the testimony of those souls who could remember what he said. At a time when ecclesiastical preferment depended on never offending anyone important and not expressing views likely to be controversial, Sydney Smith spoke his mind, delighting many and alarming others, and thereby assured that he would never be a bishop in the Church of England. As a result, he moved around from parish to parish, with each church "living" a little better than the last, and became, in the end, financially comfortable. (Having well-placed friends among the Whigs did that much for him, at least.) WHIG REFORMISM In 1802, Smith, Francis Jeffrey, and Henry Brougham founded the Edinburgh Review as a vehicle for reformist Whig ideas which we would call "liberal" today, although the term was not then in use. This was a time of political repression in Britain and the mildest call for change brought forth accusations of Jacobinism and sedition. The wars with revolutionary France had not run their course and many new restrictions on speech, assembly, and other rights of Englishmen had come into being during these wars (alongside some older ones). The review was serious business and Smith contributed to it for twenty-five years. He had great fun tackling serious questions. Once, he seemed to weigh carefully a proposed society for the suppression of vice, and he concluded after a hilarious summary of various cruelties favored by the gentry that it would better be called "a Society for suppressing the vices of persons whose income does not exceed L500 per annum." As for being fair to his fellow writers, he quipped, "I never read a book before reviewing it; it prejudices a man so." Smith believed in religious toleration, including Catholic emancipation. This did not keep him from making fun of Methodists, Scottish Presbyterians, and Dissenters, when he thought them wrong or amusing, which was quite often. In the course of a discussion of Methodist missionary work, he asked if it was actually wise to teach foreigners the gospel? "If the Bible is universally diffused in Hindostan, what must be the astonishment of the natives to find that we are forbidden to rob, murder, and steal; we who, in fifty years, have extended our empire from a few acres about Madras, over the whole peninsula, and sixty millions of people, and exemplified in our public conduct every crime of which human nature is capable." It would actually be better to tell those natives that Machiavelli "is our prophet." Smith was a great critic of the cruel punishments still employed in England. He was a vocal opponent of the Game Laws. He believed that English policy itself was the chief cause of Irish alienation from English rule. This made Ireland the permanent scene of danger of foreign invasion, from which England, so far, had been providentially saved by favorable winds. This made English policy in Ireland "anemocracy," or government by breezes. WAR, PEACE, AND FOREIGN POLICY Introducing a collection of his reviews, Smith wrote that "There is more of misery inflicted upon mankind by one year of war than by all the civil peculations and oppressions of a century. Yet it is a state into which the mass of mankind rush with the greatest avidity, hailing official murderers, in scarlet, gold and cocks' feathers, as the greatest and most glorious of human creatures. It is the business of every wise and good man to set himself against this passion for military glory, which really seems to be the most fruitful
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #3
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990907c - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. : No virulent microbes were released during production of this bulletin. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # SMILE FOR THE US SECRET SERVICE. The feds want to know who you are and what you look like. New documents reveal plans for a national photographic database, whatever the cost to privacy. Privacy? What the hell was THAT? http://wired.com/news/news/explode-infobeat/politics/story/21607.html : Are you a gov't agent? Do you like to collect personal information on us? How much info is enough? Will you control us? How much control is enough?? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ @ WOODSTOCK '99: A MIND CONTROL EXPERIMENT? LOS ANGELES (Wireless Flash) Woodstock '99 was actually a government mind control experiment. Secret government operatives may have been behind the fiery riots which broke out Sunday night at the closing of Woodstock. Engendering fear, hate: http://www.konformist.com/rocknroll/woodstock99.htm http://www.konformist.com/rocknroll/rocknroll.htm : How do *you* react to mind control? Do you riot, rape, kill, fume, annoy, masturbate, cry, zone-out? Do you become a bad role model? Are you a zombie? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # AGRICULTURE FROM AN ARMCHAIR. The farmer in the dell, the farmer's on the cell. Tomatoes on line one, cattle on line two. Beam me up, Farmer John: http://wired.com/news/news/explode-infobeat/technology/story/21599.html : Would you rather farm physically or virtually? Do you prefer agricultural labor to be hands-on, remote-controlled, psychokinetic? Is work ennobling? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # "Will to live" fluctuates among dying patients. NEW YORK (Reuters) Among patients with terminal cancer, the desire to keep on living fluctuates markedly, even over short periods of time. Both physical and psychological factors contribute to an individual patient's will to live. I want to die. But not right now. http://news.excite.com/news/r/990907/15/health-term5 : Do you want to live or die? How can we help you decide? Are you terminal? Were you experimented on by govt agents, aliens, mad scientists? D'ya care? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # ARS ELECTRONICA TRIES ON GENES. Artists, scientists, and scholars find inspiration in argument as they try to define the ethics of biotechnology. http://wired.com/news/news/explode-infobeat/culture/story/21603.html : Are 'biotech' and 'ethics' mutually exclusive? If a genetic modification is possible, is it inevitable? Are ethics irrelevant if you modify yourself? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Mir drifts free - On its own, but for how long? (BBC) Mir has gone into "free drift" mode as a new onboard computer takes over the unmanned space station. The drift, or free flight, is needed to reduce power consumption so Mir may survive several months, until a possible return by cosmonauts. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_44/440916.stm : Will you take advantage of this opportunity to steal Mir? What will you do with it? Will you drop bombs, beam mind-control rays, crash it into Paris?? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # BLACK ROCK: SAME AS IT EVER WAS. Freaks, geeks, and a week's worth of play on the playa. A community springs from ashes and dust - Burning Man fest. http://wired.com/news/news/explode-infobeat/culture/story/21605.html : Have you been to the Black Rock Desert lately? [I was there 3 months ago.] Are you awed by the spaciousness, desolation, aridity? Were you abducted? Do you hope to be? Do you go for the high? Do you want to build a new world?? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ % Secret Weapons Technology: # China Building Satellite-Busting Laser Weapons: http://www.sightings.com/political/weapons/satbust.htm # Airborne Laser Weapon System On 747s Now In Production: http://www.sightings.com/ufo/lasersys.htm # Kinetic Energy Anti-Satellite Weapons (KE ASAT): http://www.sightings.com/ufo/kinetic.htm # Military Microwave, Plasma, And Pulsed Power Devices At Kirtland AFB: http://www.sightings.com/ufo/plasma.htm # Powerful New Weapons And Technologies Of Human And Political Control: http://www.sightings.com/political/weapons/powerfulwep.htm # Dark Star UAV - Range 500 Miles - 45,000 Feet - 8 Plus Hours: http://www.sightings.com/political/weapons/darkstar.htm # UAV Delivered Chem-Biological Weapons Tested At AREA 51? http://www.sightings.com/ufo/chem51.htm # Saddam's Biological Arsenal Keeping Him Safe: http://www.sightings.com/political/weapons/saddamsbiol.htm # Russia Denies Existence Of Biological Weapons Program (Ahem): http://www.sightings.com/political/russiadenies.htm # Former Chief Of Soviet BioWar Production Issues Warning: http://www.sightings.com/political/weapons/formerchief.htm # New Warning Of Biological Weapons Threat To The World:
Re: [CTRL] OT: Humor: Liberals
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Sean McDougal [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "Damian B. Cooper" [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Whoever did this REALLY needs help." I suspect you are either suggesting that we let the mugger run amok without any attention or you are suggesting that we send the mugger to Career Criminal School, for ten years or so. Am I correct? Even violent felons need post-grad work to advance their careers, so they can stay current with new tools and techniques. Muggers are made, not born. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] OT: Humor: Liberals
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 7 Sep 1999, Ric Carter wrote: Even violent felons need post-grad work to advance their careers, so they can stay current with new tools and techniques. Muggers are made, not born. Some muggers are born - but we call them politicians... Jamieson DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Home schooling mom considered Major criminal and jailed
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Follows From: "Robert Kemp" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fwd: Home schooling mom considered Major criminal and jailed Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 16:39:35 EDT Original Message Follows From: Mark Graffis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: Home schooling mom considered Major criminal and jailed Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 19:32:38 -0500 (CDT) From: "Bill and Jo Kuhlmeyer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] From a friend who is a home-school mom.. VERMONT HOMESCHOOLING MOM JAILED (From a wide variety of Vermont newspapers and forwarded personal papers) The story begins so typically. Seventh-grader Trevor Maple was bored at school, displayed a short attention span, and read at a second grade level. Academic problems escalated into social problems. He even went to live with his grandparents to give another school system a try, but to no avail. While discussing Trevor's problems with his school's vice-principal, he advised Trevor's mom that homeschooling could be a perfect alternative. Considering her options, schedule, and abilities, just two and a half months into the school year, Karen Maples decided to become a homeschooling mom. Vermont's homeschooling requirements are neither easy nor difficult: submit a portfolio to the Board of Education or provide a Stanford Achievement Test score. Karen submitted a portfolio the first year, but for efficiency she switched to the standardized test the next year, and the year after. Trevor's score improved markedly, as did his self-confidence when he was in a learning environment that didn't call him "learning disabled." School officials deemed the test results suspect. Then one day, eighteen months after homeschooling began, the school called to ask if Trevor was absent because of illness. Karen thought this strange, but was assured it was a clerical mistake. This was before the school sent a letter to the state's attorney claiming that Trevor was a child in need of supervision. Enter several court appearances over two years, always with a public defender, always denied the ability to submit SAT scores into evidence. The state, in its all-powerful wisdom, decided Trevor needed a tutor. But the tutor quit after one lesson. Allegedly, the tutor told Karen she was asked to lie about the condition of Karen's home - and wouldn't. Because he had been labeled "learning disabled," the school demanded to evaluate Trevor's education. Karen refused. A social service employee followed Karen around the grocery store. Social service employees have been found banging on Karen's front door as she arrived home. The children now run upstairs to hide when strangers approach the house. To date Karen has had three public defenders, as has Trevor. She has seen three judges, one of whom, Judge Kupersmith, must hold a grudge. When Judge Cashman filled in for Kupersmith once this summer and read Karen's case, he said the entire matter should have been thrown out. While Judge Cashman had heard cases all day, Judge Kupersmith walked in to take care of Karen. Even though she had a "real" lawyer who was given 30 hours to prepare, Karen was arrested at this appearance, found in contempt of court for failure to bring Trevor to a juvenile court hearing on August 13. (Karen had informed the judge they wouldn't appear, at which time Kupersmith told her Trevor would be placed in permanent custory of Vermont Social and Rehabilitative Services. With this threat, Karen and family went into hiding until she appeared in court on September 1, 1999 - without Trevor.) Karen is such a horrid criminal bail is being denied, as is a breast pump for this nursing mother. Diane Wheeler, Franklin County deputy state's attorney acting as prosecutor, states, "Essentially, Ms. Maple holds the key to the cell door," meaning they don't intend to release her until she offers up custody of Trevor as her bail. A sorely needed defense fund has been established. Donations may be sent to Karen Maple Defense Fund, c/o Richard Gadbois, Esq., RFD, Franklin, VT 05447; 802-933-4514. Additionally, phone calls are requested to: Senator James Jeffords (R) 1-800-835-5500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 30 Main St. Suite 350 Burlington, VT 05401 (802) 658-6001 58 State St. Montpelier, VT (802) 223-5273 2 South Main St. Rutland, VT 05701 (802) 773-3875 OR Senator Patrick Leahy (D) 199 Main St. Burlington, VT 05401 1-800-642-3193 433 Russell Senate Office Building United States Senate Washington, DC 20510 (202) 224-4242 senator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or Karen's state senators: Senator George T. Costes (R) (802) 524-4814 OR Senator Sara B. Kittell (D) (802) 827-3274 The following also need to hear from you in defense of Karen's constitutional rights: Tennyson Doane, Chair of the Bakersfield Elementary School Board (802)827-6168 Kathleen Cushing, Social Rehabilitative Services, (802)527-7741 James Hughes, State's Attorney, (802)524-7920 / fax: (802)524-7964 Natalie Casco,
[CTRL] Fwd: What is Globalisation?
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Follows From: "Robert Kemp" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fwd: What is Globalisation? Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 16:55:04 EDT Original Message Follows From: "dr wooo " [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: What is Globalisation? Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 19:31:34 -0500 (CDT) A - I N F O S N E W S S E R V I C E http://www.ainfos.ca/ Hello all, I think this below, is one of the most important articles on analysing ' Globalisation ' and some of the misconceptions around it. An excelllent piece for analying our own points of view and looking at J18 etc. It is really long about 80K so I have placed the full text on a bulletin board here http://www.ratical.org/corporations/wwwboard.html Here is a part of the intro which sums up what the article is about. I encourage you all to read it. The full text of Do Or Die number 8 will be online soon ( off eco-action.org ) I have requested a number of there excellent articles in the meantime, they include a detailed look at J18 and a critical look at the Inter-continental caravan a major project of the network Peoples Global Action from someone involved. ... here is part of the article. I. What is Globalisation? Globalisation has become a bte noire for all sorts of people--activists and academics, reformists and revolutionaries. At a time when nationalism is resurgent, we see an internationalisation of struggle. And yet... confusion reigns--confusion over our objectives, our ideals, our methods and goals. A confusion that could be fatal--if we miss our chance when it is presented to us we might not get another one. We are living in critical times. Therefore in the following pages we examine the background to globalisation, the struggle against it and some of the confusions and misunderstandings that surround it. The current trend for opposing globalisation appears to have fallen for an inverted version of the same illusion that those in favour of it suffer from--that what is occurring (and has been for approximately the last 20 years) is something new and radically different to what has gone before. The things that are identified as constituting globalisation--free trade, the free movement of capital, the growth of international regulatory bodies and institutions, the expansion of multinationals and the creation of one global 'culture'-- are new in the sense that they are new forms of organisation and structure but in essence they are a continuation of what has gone before. Capital has always been global. The capitalist system is the most adaptable and voracious in history. From its beginning it has been driven by the need to constantly expand or die; the changes that have occurred in recent years are an expression of this need. Globalisation is 'worse' in the sense that it represents an attempt at extending and intensifying capital's grip on humanity, but it is not worse, as some seem to imply, in opposition to a mythical idealised past when capitalism was nice and local and the state intervened to protect us against the markets. The logic is the same now as it always been--to exploit people and nature to the maximum extent possible. The fact that in some previous eras this exploitation may have taken place in a way that was softer or more 'democratic' doesn't change its essential nature. In order to understand the process that has become known as globalisation, it is essential to understand the trajectory taken by post-war capitalism. Looked at in this context, globalisation can be seen not as a separate phenomenon but rather as the effect of the crisis caused by the resurgence of European and American class struggle in the late 1960s and the 1970s. II. 1945--1968: Restructuring, Integration and Growth ' happy reading ... at http://www.ratical.org/corporations/wwwboard.html perhaps this should be an article we debate and look at our own action for j18 locally and internationally and for November 30th etc. cheers w out __ To subscribe, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN Messenger Service lets you stay in touch instantly with your family friends - Visit http://messenger.msn.com The A-Infos News Service COMMANDS: [EMAIL PROTECTED] REPLIES: [EMAIL PROTECTED] HELP: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.ainfos.ca/ INFO: http://www.ainfos.ca/org __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and
Re: [CTRL] What really is NLP? [reply]
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-09-06 15:01:36 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have met many of the NLP enthusiasts that exist in Northern California. North California, you may know, has been the international hotbed for NLP development for some time. None of the individuals I have met could be construed in ANY sense of the word to be followers, which is a necessary element in a cult; without followers, there is no cult. In the late '60s and early '70s I travelled on the periphery of the inner circles out of which came the "New Age," first wave, and I personally witnessed --VERY personally, e.g., in private conversations with many of the notables, who confided in me as "one of them"-- attitudes and behaviors which, if made publicly known then, would have immediately resulted in the founders of most "New Age" groups being seen as knowing, cold-blooded manipulators of people's belief systems for ego, personal power, and for profit above all. As early as 1971, I watched "supersalesman" Jack Rosenbaum aka "Werner Erhard" steal most of what he claimed to have discovered from Silva Mind Control, Alexander Everett's Mind Dynamics, and Scientology and go on to create the first EST seminars; I worked with the person whom Erhard himself had early on groomed to be his protege, on an alternative (and rival praxis) to EST that would've been less cult-like, because it was even by then already recognized as a hyped-marketing mindfuck, with most of its members eerily zombie-like, classic cult-followers of the type that DEFINED the "New Age" that would follow as they wandered on from one "spiritual" movement to another. Back then, I kept company not only with ESToids but with Scientologists (not much difference in psychology and behavior) -- but with the advantage of also knowing L. Ron Hubbard's literary agent, his publisher, his business partner from the days of Dianetics (A. E. van Vogt, who wrote a textbook on hypnosis), and several of Hubbard's first "Operating Thetans," as well as dissatisfied people who had operated in Scientology's "internal security" division, the Guardian's office. As usual, I observed the dissonance between three realms: (1) the con-man mentality and motives of the founder and his closest allies, (2) the uncritical faith and devotion of his students and followers (almost worshipful in a manner deliberately promoted by the founder), and then, judgable in a separate category, (3) the "system" being taught, always with some merit in and of itself but always used primarily as just a platform for developing a profitable marketing machine, a pool of cult-followers to serve the founder's ego-needs, and an authoritarian social structure that served as a private universe totally defined by the founder's needs. The psychodynamics of "cultism" was THE RULE in the late '60s and throughout the '70s, into the early '80s, and the ONLY thing that kept "New Age" movements afloat -- and I say that from having INVESTIGATED those seminal movements at VERY close range, "sociologically," because I had studied the same esoteric techniques and skills as the founders and leaders of those movements --and had to struggle to avoid being turned into a "guru" myself by starry-eyed novices-- but I was committed to using them in a totally OPPOSITE way, to DE-program the mind (contra the momentum of these followers to BE programmed) and encourage AUTONOMY rather than authoritarianism under the common disguise of the "master/disciple" relationship. During this period, I breathed a sigh of relief when I read an interview with Sufi "master" Idries Shah in Psychology Today wherein he stated that, himself being perceived by other Oriental "gurus" in the "New Age" marketplace as "one of them" and therefore safe to be frank with, most of the highly-revered "Masters of Wisdom of the East" were in fact motivated by the basest instincts -- greed (big money), lust (satisfied with submissive Western devotees), and blatant anti-Western hostility, aimed at "paying back" Americans and Europeans for colonizing and exploiting the Orient. I'd seen the same motives (less the anti-Western element) at work, behind closed doors, in MOST "New Age" promoters. In the late '70s and early '80s, when I turned from "para" psychology to psychology as an academic discipline, I witnessed the "yuppification" of these "New Age" movements. Nearly everyone who was anyone in the arena (writing popular books, holding seminars, travelling the New Age Expo circuit) would confide to me, in private, that this was all a "business" and that ignorance and gullibility offered the biggest untapped market base for entrepreneurs of the esoteric. I knew all that they knew, and generally even more, but I had no desire to capitalize on it by developing "pyramid schemes" exploiting the silly needs of those populating the "New Age" mass-market, whom I frankly despised for their gullibility, easy hypnotizability, and lack of psychological and spiritual autonomy
Re: [CTRL] JANET RENO SHOULD BE CHARGED WITH MURDER ONE!
-Caveat Lector- Agreed. Murder is murder whether committed by the State or an individual The State is merely a fiction controled by an elite for their own control purposesso successfully that they have convinced citizens that murder committed by the State is not murder.Hegel called the State " the march of God on earth" and these eliitists ( whether kings, tribal chiefs, presidents or whatever) really beleive it. Time we wised up and called their bluffWe have a constitution, lets use it.. . ANTONY C SUTTON DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Mercenary / Merchandising
-Caveat Lector- From NewsMax.Com Soldiers R US: Corporate ArmiesDiane AldenSeptember 3, 1999 In the 21st Century the American Army, Navy, Marines and Air Force will continue as the official organizations engaged to fight wars for the U.S., and will most likely be the primary executors of some of its foreign policy. Young men and women will wear the uniform and carry on a long, proud tradition of duty and sacrifice. For the most part they will be held accountable for their actions to the Pentagon, Congress, the Commander-in-Chief and to the people of the United States. Apart from their primary mission, they may serve as policemen around the world, as they have in Korea, Haiti, Bosnia, Kosovo and other unstable and potentially violent countries. They will do their duty, even as the evidence mounts that they are overextended, under-funded, strategically challenged, undermanned, over bureaucratized, top heavy, in need of modernization and demoralized. However, the problems of the world may not wait for the day when the U.S. military is rebuilt. The free market and the policy makers have found another option in the brave new world order of the 21st Century; and hi-tech military hardware is only one of the visions evolving in this coming age. Another notable addition to the foreign policy arsenal is as old as the days of bronze and iron shields and helmets. The corporate soldier is the next development in this ancient game of power between nations. Forget Clark Gable as the handsome rogue in Soldiers of Fortune; forget John Wayne in Blood Alley. The new soldier of fortune may be wearing a three-piece suit, lugging a laptop, his ear perpetually attached to a cell phone. In countries around the world the soldier of fortune has incorporated and he is making big money fighting for the highest bidder, or for the most powerful. This concept of the hired gun goes back into antiquity. Mercenaries have been around since the ancient Greeks, into the Middle Ages and even during the American Revolution. The British used German soldiers 30,000 Hessians to supplement their ranks. But the modern mercenary force is no longer an unkempt, unprofessional band of soldier wannabes. They are, for the most part, well-organized former military officers and enlisted, from all ranks and nations, who operate out of fancy office suites in capitals around the world, including Washington, D.C. Ostensibly advisers and strategists, they also conduct warfare in places where official government armies will not go. In modern times, their special talents are being used in Africa, Saudi Arabia, the Balkans and in Southeast Asia. Recently, the Clinton Administration and the labor government of British Prime Minister Tony Blair have used mercenaries to augment the armed forces of their respective nations; Clinton in Bosnia and Blair in Sierra Leone. Russia has nearly 10,000 of these groups, which operate as security forces, protecting businesses and individuals. African strong men use mercenaries regularly to execute coups or institute counter-coups or to protect legitimate businesses in places where anarchy rules and there are no police forces. In Africa, mercenaries often operate with the tacit approval of the U.S. and Britain. The major "enterprises," or players, in the mercenary trade are the South African Executive Outcomes (recently renamed Lifeguard), the U.S. based Military Professional Resources Inc.(MPRI) and Sandline, Inc., of Great Britain. There are dozens of others but these three are the main players in the war games of the late 20th Century. Frequently calling themselves "security firms," they sell their battle expertise to whomever has the cash and offers the path of least resistance. Governments, individuals or companies pay big money and pave the way for these corporate soldiers by providing documentation, transportation, or legalizing their status as non-state associated soldiers; in most cases they operate outside national and international law. Controversial to say the least, these military organizations are coming under increasing international scrutiny as they expand and, from time to time, as their activities become an international problem. The largest and most influential of those based in the United States is MPRI. Ninety percent of MPRI's clients are in the United States, including the Departments of State, Defense, Joint Chiefs, Army War College, U.S. Army and the Department of the Interior, to name a few. Founded in the 1987 by former U.S. military officers, it has grown exponentially and currently employs at least 2,500 personnel worldwide. Among its first contracts was a deal negotiated through the U.S. Embassy in Angola. Officials familiar with the affair recount that the State Department helped to close the deal. The Angolan government of President Jose dos Santos had previously hired the South African firm of Executive
[CTRL] Removing the NSA encryption key for NT, programmers needed for '98
-Caveat Lector- found on the web. Dave Hartley http://www.Asheville-Computer.com http://www.ioa.com/~davehart http://www.cryptonym.com/ Removing the NSA A sample program which replaces the NSA key with a test key, and leaves the rest of the CryptoAPI system intact, can be downloaded by clicking this link (currently only for WinNT and Win2k). For legal reasons, source code will be provided for free, but only be available through a Nondisclosure Agreement with Cryptonym. You can download the NDA here. These files are provided for demonstration purposes only, and may not be redistributed or used for any purpose other than demonstration without the written authorization and license of Cryptonym Corporation. For more information, please contact: Andrew Fernandes email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone +1 919 469 4714 Fax +1 919 469 8708 Win95/98 Programmers: we could use help in porting the software to Win95/98. If you have a strong background in Win95/98 virtual memory management, virtual device writing, and Windows 'internals', and don't mind volunteering your time, please contact Andrew at the addresses above! Microsoft, the NSA, and You Here is the press release; for the full details, look here. A sample program which replaces the NSA's key is here, at the bottom of the page. FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Microsoft Installs US Spy Agency with Windows Research Triangle Park, NC - 31 August 1999 - Between Hotmail hacks and browser bugs, Microsoft has a dismal track record in computer security. Most of us accept these minor security flaws and go on with life. But how is an IT manager to feel when they learn that in every copy of Windows sold, Microsoft may have installed a 'back door' for the National Security Agency (NSA - the USA's spy agency) making it orders of magnitude easier for the US government to access their computers? While investigating the security subsystems of WindowsNT4, Cryptonym's Chief Scientist Andrew Fernandes discovered exactly that - a back door for the NSA in every copy of Win95/98/NT4 and Windows2000. Building on the work of Nicko van Someren (NCipher), and Adi Shamir (the 'S' in 'RSA'), Andrew was investigating Microsoft's "CryptoAPI" architecture for security flaws. Since the CryptoAPI is the fundamental building block of cryptographic security in Windows, any flaw in it would open Windows to electronic attack. Normally, Windows components are stripped of identifying information. If the computer is calculating "number_of_hours = 24 * number_of_days", the only thing a human can understand is that the computer is multiplying "a = 24 * b". Without the symbols "number_of_hours" and "number_of_days", we may have no idea what 'a' and 'b' stand for, or even that they calculate units of time. In the CryptoAPI system, it was well known that Windows used special numbers called "cryptographic public keys" to verify the integrity of a CryptoAPI component before using that component's services. In other words, programmers already knew that windows performed the calculation "component_validity = crypto_verify(23479237498234...,crypto_component)", but no-one knew exactly what the cryptographic key "23479237498234..." meant semantically. Then came WindowsNT4's Service Pack 5. In this service release of software from Microsoft, the company crucially forgot to remove the symbolic information identifying the security components. It turns out that there are really two keys used by Windows; the first belongs to Microsoft, and it allows them to securely load CryptoAPI services; the second belongs to the NSA. That means that the NSA can also securely load CryptoAPI services... on your machine, and without your authorization. The result is that it is tremendously easier for the NSA to load unauthorized security services on all copies of Microsoft Windows, and once these security services are loaded, they can effectively compromise your entire operating system. For non-American IT managers relying on WinNT to operate highly secure data centers, this find is worrying. The US government is currently making it as difficult as possible for "strong" crypto to be used outside of the US; that they have also installed a cryptographic back-door in the world's most abundant operating system should send a strong message to foreign IT managers. There is good news among the bad, however. It turns out that there is a flaw in the way the "crypto_verify" function is implemented. Because of the way the crypto verification occurs, users can easily eliminate or replace the NSA key from the operating system without modifying any of Microsoft's original components. Since the NSA key is easily replaced, it means that non-US companies are free to install "strong" crypto services into Windows, without Microsoft's or the NSA's approval. Thus the NSA has effectively removed export control of "strong" crypto from Windows. A demonstration program that replaces the NSA key can be found
[CTRL] Fw: DRUDGE-REPORT-EXCLUSIVE 9/07/99
-Caveat Lector- X DRUDGE REPORT X TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 07, 1999 17:04:22 ET X GOVERNMENT INFORMANT IN WACO CASE PROMISED PROTECTION; SAYS FEDS THREATENED HIM, SON **World Exclusive** **Must Credit DRUDGE REPORT** A former CIA agent who claims knowledge of a Delta Force shoot-out at Waco has been promised protection by investigators for a Senate committee after threats were made on the former agent and his son by federal law enforcement officers. The intimidation of the witness occurred last week when FBI agents warned the witness -- face to face -- that he was in violation of his CIA confidentiality oath and could be charged with "risking national security." According to congressional sources, investigators for Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, who heads a Senate Judiciary subcommittee with FBI oversight, have promised protection to former CIA agent Gene Cullen -- if his bona fides check out. [A spokeswoman for Grassley says a vote by the full committee would be required to grant immunity; the process of checking Cullen's story is in the early stages.] Questions have been raised throughout official Washington about the nature of the threats made against the whistleblower and if FBI Director Louis Freeh was directly aware of the intimidation. "I don't know how Waco, Texas could possibly be a threat to 'national security,'" one alarmed congressional chairman told the DRUDGE REPORT. "Cullen was 'politely' reminded that he signed confidentiality papers when he was hired at the CIA," says one source. Cullen has told investigators that he was visited by agents after he granted an interview to the DALLAS MORNING NEWS two weeks ago. Cullen told the paper that he learned from Delta Force commandos that up to 10 members of the secret Army unit were "present, up front and close" in helping the FBI in the final assault on the Branch Davidian compound. But the DRUDGE REPORT has learned that Cullen did not tell the paper everything he knew. In the interview with the NEWS, Cullen stopped short of stating that Delta Force members admitted to him that they were involved in combat at Waco -- information Cullen plans to reveal under oath before Congress! This much is now known: Cullen was served a subpoena by congressional investigators last week. Cullen has moved to a secret location and could not be reached for comment. Cullen has given an interview for the new film, WACO: A NEW REVELATION. On camera, the former CIA agent states: Delta Force members said they participated in a shoot-out during the final assault on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco. FILED BY MATT DRUDGE --- Reports are moved when circumstances warrant http://www.drudgereport.com for updates (c)DRUDGE REPORT 1999 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] (Fwd) [BRIGADE] AFL-CIO Brigade
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded Message Follows --- From: "Linda Muller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date sent: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:39:49 -0400 Subject:[BRIGADE] AFL-CIO Brigade Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Brigade, Matalin: "...But how likely is it that you're going to endorse Pat Buchanan, who's the only candidate, I believe, in the race, who's with you on NAFTA? ..." Trumka [AFL-CIO]: "Here's how we're going to endorse people this year. We have asked every one of our affiliates to go back to their membership, do polls, surveys, have meetings, and talk about who you want to endorse. And when that process comes in, their presidents will allow us to know whom they want to support ... If two-thirds of the people endorse Pat Buchanan, Pat's our candidate, and I'd be out there on the campaign trail endorsing him..." Well Brigade, you know what you gotta do. Get out there across the USA and contact every rank and file member of the AFL-CIO! Print out pages from our web site and bring them to union meetings, pass them out at the entrance to factories, post them on bulletin boards in grocery stores, hand deliver them to your neighbors, call local talk shows, and bring a stack of our web pages to social establishments! Lets make sure that the membership of the AFL-CIO knows that they do not have to settle for another candidate who has contributed to the selling out of America and American workers. Tell them to stand up for Pat Buchanan! GO PAT GO Linda - CNN CROSSFIRE - September 6, 1999 What Party Deserves the Union Label? BILL PRESS, CO-HOST: Tonight, looking for the union label -- on this Labor Day, candidates are appealing for the support of labor unions. Who deserves it more? Democrats or Republicans? ANNOUNCER: From Washington, CROSSFIRE. On the left, Bill Press; on the right, Mary Matalin. In the CROSSFIRE, Congressman Tom Davis of Virginia, chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee, and Richard Trumka, secretary treasurer of the AFL-CIO. PRESS: Good evening. Welcome to CROSSFIRE. It's Labor Day, when anybody with any sense is at the beach, and everybody else is out campaigning, Democrat and Republican. GOP front-runner George W. Bush rode in Labor Day parade in South Carolina. Gary Bauer, Steve Forbes and Dan Quayle all worked the same labor crowd up in New Hampshire. And Vice President Al Gore was grand marshal for the big Labor Day parade in Des Moines, Iowa, all of which is a sure sign that labor's going to be a big player in the 2000 elections, and is, in fact, already gearing up. The AFL-CIO reportedly plans to spend up to $46 million in 2000, supporting candidates, mostly Democrats. In 1998, only 27 Republican members of Congress received labor support. Is that fair? A lot of union members vote Republican, but are union bosses willing to support more Republicans? Or are unions, as some charge, just political subdivisions of the Democratic National Committee? Weighty questions for tonight's guests as we examine labor and politics, 2000. Mary. MARY MATALIN, CO-HOST: Well, happy Labor Day. And we'd much rather be with you than at the beach, Mr. Trumka. Now, I am a member in good standing of the vast right-wing conspiracy. I am also... RICHARD TRUMKA, SECRETARY TREASURER, AFL-CIO: That's good. I'm glad to finally meet you, by the way. MATALIN: Well, and happy to be there, and also proud card- carrying member of the American Steelworkers, AFTRA, SAG, I belong to three different unions, and that is not that weird. Thirty-one percent of union members -- union households identify themselves as conservative. Somewhere between 40 percent and even higher vote for Republicans. Why, Mr. Trumka, then, in past elections, does 99 percent of union money go to support Democrats? TRUMKA: Well, first of all, only 20 percent of our members are really where you said they were. And we actually looked at that program, and at one point about two years ago, about 40 percent of our members actually voted where we thought they shouldn't be. I'm not going to name that political party. MATALIN: That's almost half of your party voting against... TRUMKA: But it drove our current program, because what we found out is they were voting for people who were not going to Congress and voting in their interests. So our new program is designed to issue- educate them, and give them a real informed choice so they can make a decision on Election Day on who goes to support him and who doesn't. MATALIN: Of all the issues that all American families are concerned about, particularly union households are interested in and do support tax cuts. Seventy percent of union members supported the across the board 10 percent tax cut, which is no more, yet you oppose it. They also obviously must support policies that promote job creation, not the kind of
[CTRL] Fwd: UNDERNEWS Sep 7
UNDERNEWS Sam Smith September 7, 1999 The Progressive Review 1739 Conn. Ave. NW Washington DC 20009 202-232-5544 Fax: 202-234-6222 E-MAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INDEX: http://prorev.com RECENT UNDERNEWS: http://prorev.com/indexa.htm TODAY'S HEADLINE NEWS: http://prorev.com/altnews.htm THE REVIEW FORUM: http://prorev.com/letters.com DONATIONS AND ORDER FORM: http://prorev.com/order3.htm UNSUBSCRIBE: Reply with 'unsubscribe' in the subject line. For a free subscription to our e-mail updates send your postal address with zip code. Copyright 1999, The Progressive Review. Matter not independently copyrighted may be reprinted provided TPR is paid your normal reprint fees, if any, and is given proper credit. Because of its quantity, TPR's mail is not always answered, but it is always read. The editor is cheered or remorseful as appropriate and posts some of the more interesting messages at http://prorev.com/letters.htm -- THE MEDIACRATS Those in New York and Washington raised on the anti-Arab biases of their media may have been a bit surprised to find above the fold in their morning paper news that the Israeli Supreme Court had, in the New York Times' wording, "unexpectedly outlawed the security service's routine practice of using physically coercive interrogation methods, which critics have long denounced as torture." This carefully crafted sentence is quite accurate for while the NYT has undoubtedly long known about such methods, it has not long denounced them as torture. The Times did not explain why it has not considered this practice newsworthy nor what forms of physical coercion it still doesn't consider torture. Even more interesting, it managed to get through the entire front page portion of the story without mentioning who the victims were, which is to say, Arabs. Now that the Israeli Supreme Court has scooped the NYT and the Washington Post, perhaps these papers would like to play catch-up by determining to what extent American dollars and expertise played a role in the torture of Arabs. Were we as active in the Middle East as we were, say, in Latin America? Finally, we might all reflect on how much such criminal activities on the part of the Israelis have contributed to the violent response by Arab guerillas as well as to the loss of democracy in this country in the name of defending ourselves from retribution by those allied with the torture victims. HEY, IT'S NOT EUROPE, AFTER ALL GUARDIAN: In New York, the security council was preparing yesterday to send a five-member mission to Jakarta, but it has made no move toward approving a peacekeeping force because of strong US reluctance and firm Chinese opposition - a general reflection of UN weakness and a specific legacy of disagreements over Kosovo. But signs last night were that the pace of events could force a rethink. Any intervention is likely to be mounted by a "coalition of the willing" led by Australia, though continuing insistence by the US and other big powers that it have Jakarta's agreement remained a major stumbling block to a UN resolution mandating involvement. GUARDIAN STORY http://www.newsunlimited.co.uk/international/story/0,,79996,00.html CORPORATE CRIME WATCH Russell Mokhiber of Corporate Crime Reporter has compiled an impressive list of the top corporate criminals of the 1990s. CCR used the most narrow and conservative of definitions -- corporations that have pled guilty or no contest to crimes and have been criminally fined. It's a pretty impressive rap sheet, which we've posted. CORPORATE CRIME REPORTER mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TOP CORPORATE CRIMINALS http://www.prorev.com/corpcrime.htm ECO NOTES GUARDIAN, LONDON: Alarm bells started ringing over the widespread use of antibiotics in agriculture almost as soon as they made their entry into livestock farming in the US 50 years ago. By 1969 scientists in Britain were warning of the "real and potential danger" that overuse in animals would help speed the rate at which bacteria in humans developed resistance to the medicines. In 1999, when use of antibiotics on farm animals and pets had increased by at least 3 times, another group of scientists was predicting "calamitous consequences" if the control of infection in human populations by antibiotics became ineffective. They said there was conclusive evidence of a link between humans, animals and food, even if the extent to which it contributed to the overall problem of resistance was still uncertain Today nearly all UK broilers are given these drugs to feed Britain's hunger for cheap meat. In the last week Britain's biggest producer has recanted on accepted practice and decided to phase out growth promoters by the end of the year. Most pigs are routinely fed antibiotics too. Their use has been common in the US since 1949 and Britain since 1953. GUARDIAN, LONDON: A potentially lethal bacterium resistant to every known antibiotic has been detected in a
[CTRL] Fw: Re: Waco: BIG NEWS! Drudge Report
-Caveat Lector- From: John Gaskins [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tuesday, September 07, 1999 12:05 AM, Ian Goddard [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: ... === X DRUDGE REPORT X MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 06, 1999 21:30:00 ET X ... The development caused panic and confusion at the top levels of the Justice Department and the FBI over the holiday weekend, leaving one top official scrambling for details. FBI Director Freeh has demanded a full briefing, one agency source divulged late Monday. ... == END OF DRUDGE REPORT EXCERPT == IAN: What bugs me is the claim that it was a shoot-out, as if Delta Force gunmen were under attack, which smells like a last-ditch cover story wherein the Delta Force came under fire and were then forced to return fire. ... What bugs me is that no one seems to smell the big, stinky "smear the whistle-blower" rat that is so typical of the Clinton administration. The answer to the question of why this evidence is surfacing after 6 years is very simple: Get the head of the agency that was dropping the dime on the big sell-out to the Chinese! Look at the pattern. Everyone who has ever spoken up about this administration has been smeared and charged with trumped up offenses. Hell, they couldn't even replace the "at will" Travel Office employees without trying to make them look like criminals! And look what has been accomplished. No more stories about Chinese espionage, bribes in the form of illegal "campaign contributions" or willfully negligent behavior relating to nuclear lab security on the news. Reno huffing and puffing and posturing about her "responsibility." Even the most sceptical of the administration's critics so thrilled with the prospects of imminent vindication that they, too, forget that they are dealing with the political equivalent of a 3-card Monte dealer. Stay tuned for my own ground-breaking reports! ... Then break some real ground. Kudos to you for maintaining your scepticism about the events at Waco, but don't let down now. Remember that if the administration admits to any wrong-doing, it's only to distract us from something even worse. And even then, any "admission" is likely to be constructed in such a way as to blame the whole thing on someone who has become inconvenient, or to take out a political enemy. Regards, John[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Lloyd Miller, Research Director for A-albionic Research (POB 20273, Ferndale, MI 48220), a ruling class/conspiracy research resource for the entire political-ideological spectrum. Quarterly journal, book sales, rare/out-of-print searches, New Paradigms Discussion List, Weekly Up-date Lists E-text Archive of research, intelligence, catalogs, resources. To Discuss Ideas: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://msen.com/~lloyd/ For Ordering Info Free Catalog: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://a-albionic.com/formaddress.html For Discussion List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] text in body: subscribe prj [EMAIL PROTECTED] **FREE RARE BOOK SEARCH: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Explore Our Archive: http://a-albionic.com/a-albionic.html Every Diet Has Failed! What Can I do? Click Below to "Ask Dr. Kathleen"! http://www.radiantdiet.com/cgi-bin/slim/deliver.cgi?ask-1364 *** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Biotech in Global Economy: Conference Proceedings
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A summary report of the International Conference on Biotechnology in the Global Economy (held 2 -3 September 1999 at Harvard University) is available on the web: http://www.iisd.ca/sd/har/index.html. The views of many leading biotechnology scholars and activists from around the world who participated in the conference are included in the report. Cheers to all, Dick Sclove Founder Research Director The Loka Institute, P.O. Box 355, Amherst, MA 01004, USA *** NEW LOKA INSTITUTE E-MAIL ADDRESSES!!! *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] (personal) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (shared) Tel. +1 (413) 559-5860; Fax +1 (413) 559-5811 Web http://www.Loka.org "Making Research, Science Technology Responsive To Democratically Decided Social Environmental Concerns" DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] AntiBiotics
-Caveat Lector- Many may be familiar with the controversy over innoculating bipeds (OKA "humans") against several many diseases (measles, mumps, poxes, e.g.). Now it seems there may a new controversy over making harmful bacteria resistant to antibiotics. Kinda like inoculating them against us. There's a part in the second article that states: "Unlike the slow process of building resistance in the first place, a single mutation can restore the fortifications in full." This tells me that science has created some sort of doomsday scheme that might just unfold itself when least expected. Could be wrong, but, even if one wanted to, how would one "err on the side of caution"? Live in a bubble? Wear a mask? AER From TheGuardian (UK) (NewUnlimited) Alarms rang 50 years ago Scientists warned 30 years ago that overuse of medicines in animals would eventually affect humans Links, reports and background: more about antibiotics in food James Meikle and Paul Brown Tuesday September 7, 1999 Alarm bells started ringing over the widespread use of antibiotics in agriculture almost as soon as they made their entry into livestock farming in the US 50 years ago. By 1969 scientists in Britain were warning of the "real and potential danger" that overuse in animals would help speed the rate at which bacteria in humans developed resistance to the medicines. In 1999, when use of antibiotics on farm animals and pets had increased by at least 3 times, another group of scientists was predicting "calamitous consequences" if the control of infection in human populations by antibiotics became ineffective. They said there was conclusive evidence of a link between humans, animals and food, even if the extent to which it contributed to the overall problem of resistance was still uncertain. The arrival of the wonder drugs not only changed the face of human medicine, it also revolutionised agriculture in the US and Europe. Their use has been crucial to the growth of intensive farming. They not only allowed effective and rapid treatment for diseases, they prevented whole herds or tightly-packed flocks from catching infections. They also became a key factor in speeding up the growth of animals destined for the food tables. It was discovered that poultry grew 5% faster when routinely fed small doses of the drugs. This, combined with breeding and other changes helped halve the lifespan of the broiler chickens to just six or seven weeks before slaughter. Today nearly all UK broilers are given these drugs to feed Britain's hunger for cheap meat. In the last week Britain's biggest producer has recanted on accepted practice and decided to phase out growth promoters by the end of the year. Most pigs are routinely fed antibiotics too. Their use has been common in the US since 1949 and Britain since 1953. Soon all agricultural use of antibiotics was under review. By 1967, 168 tonnes were being injected or fed to animals in the UK, compared with 240 tonnes to humans. But when relative weights of the "patients" were taken into account, a committee headed by Michael Swann told the government two years later, the use of the drugs in human medicine probably accounted for four times that in agriculture and veterinary medicine. It called for tighter controls on their use, and far better monitoring. On this front, hardly anything happened. Other countries were no better. Until the mid-1990s, the blip of concern seemed to have disappeared from the political radar screen. Only last month the advisory committee on the microbiological safety of food reported that 921 tonnes of the drugs were used in animals in 1997, although some animal drug industry sources argue a truer figure would be just over 750 tonnes because the higher one includes medication against parasites in birds that is not technically antibiotic. Even so, human use of drugs may only have risen to 560 tonnes in the same 20 year period. And now the animal industry's official body also suggests that as much as 209 tonnes of antibiotics are used for growth promoting alone, twice the figure suggested by the advisory committee. The committee disputed claims by some farmers, vets and drug industry representatives, that there was still no compelling evidence of drug resistance in livestock, and asserted "that resistant bacteria in food animals have arisen as a consequence of the use of antibiotics in the farm environment and current husbandry practice". That meant, it said, that there should be less use of all antibiotics, not just growth promoters. Committee members were particularly worried by the agricultural use of flouroquinolones, synthetic antibiotics often used in severe cases of human infections such as E. coli, salmonella and typhoid. Among evidence from around the world it used to substantiate this view was a food poisoning incident in December 1996, in which turkey meat appeared the most likely
[CTRL] Big OIl To Fund Nigerian Cops!
-Caveat Lector- US oil has idea for Nigeria fields Companies may fund police to deal with raising violence By Atiya Hussain, Reuters, 09/07/99 EW YORK - US oil companies doing business in Nigeria are considering an unusual role - providing funding and training to the police. The idea comes at a time of rising violence in Nigeria, Africa's biggest oil producer, as groups protest environmental damage and unequal distribution of oil wealth. Oil companies face increased scrutiny into their roles in the West African country. Two of the biggest oil operators, Chevron Corp. and Royal Dutch/Shell Group, face lawsuits in US courts on charges of complicity with Nigerian security forces in the deaths of protesters. ''US companies are considering some modest efforts to provide training and nonlethal support for Nigerian police officials for their area of operations, and we are investigating ways'' to include nongovernmental organizations ''and outside police associations into that effort,'' said David Miller, board member and former president of the corporate umbrella group Corporate Council on Africa, in congressional testimony on Aug. 3. Miller turned down a request for an interview. Oil industry sources said that there has been talk about taking on a bigger role in training and funding Nigeria's police. Such a move, they say, will help foster democracy in the country and is crucial in light of the modest sums of aid the US government has promised Africa's most populous country. US oil companies doing business in Nigeria include Chevron, Mobil Corp., Texaco Inc., and Exxon Corp. Human rights groups, noting that the United States never imposed oil sanctions on the late dictator, General Sani Abacha, argue that Washington has been a corporate facilitator. Abacha's sudden death in June 1998 ended his reign of 4 1/2 years, paving the way for elections. President Olusegun Obasanjo, who heads Nigeria's first democratically elected government in 15 years, faces resentment in the southern Delta, source of 90 percent of its 2 million barrels per day of high quality crude oil. Kidnappings are on the rise, as are disruptions of company operations by residents protesting the Delta's environmental degradation and lack of economic development. Human rights groups say oil companies will face even more criticism if they take a direct role in training and funding police operations. ''We would be extremely resistant. They have not displayed any remorse or regret, particularly over the use of military force in Nigeria,'' said Steve Kretzmann of Project Underground, an environmental group. In February, after Human Rights Watch accused both Chevron and Shell of having aided the military in abusing human rights and killing Nigerians, Ohio Democratic Representative Dennis Kucinich called for a government investigation into whether oil companies hindered the democratic process in Nigeria. The companies have denied the allegations. In May, US human rights groups filed suit against Chevron in San Francisco, charging that it was responsible for the deaths of two protesters who had confronted Nigerian soldiers and police at a Chevron-operated oil rig off the Niger Delta in May 1998. Shell, whose US subsidiary, Shell Oil Co., is one of the biggest operators in the United States, is fighting a suit that accuses it of complicity in the hangings of Ken Saro-Wiwa and John Kpuinen by the Nigerian military. Saro-Wiwa was leader of the Movement for Survival of the Ogoni People and Kpuinen was deputy president of the group's youth wing. Rights groups agree Nigerian police require training but are wary of corporate involvement. ''Other than possibly providing resources to a broader effort at police training, one which was carefully crafted and carefully monitored and which vetted out those implicated in abuses in the past, I'm not sure what other role these companies would have to play,'' said Janet Fleischman, Africa director at Human Rights Watch in Washington. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE
[CTRL] DRUDGE REPORT (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- XXX DRUDGE REPORT XXX TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 07, 1999 17:04:22 ET XXX GOVERNMENT INFORMANT IN WACO CASE PROMISED PROTECTION; SAYS FEDS THREATENED HIM, SON **World Exclusive** **Must Credit DRUDGE REPORT** A former CIA agent who claims knowledge of a Delta Force shoot-out at Waco has been promised protection by investigators for a Senate committee after threats were made on the former agent and his son by federal law enforcement officers. The intimidation of the witness occurred last week when FBI agents warned the witness -- face to face -- that he was in violation of his CIA confidentiality oath and could be charged with "risking national security." According to congressional sources, investigators for Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, who heads a Senate Judiciary subcommittee with FBI oversight, have promised protection to former CIA agent Gene Cullen -- if his bona fides check out. [A spokeswoman for Grassley says a vote by the full committee would be required to grant immunity; the process of checking Cullen's story is in the early stages.] Questions have been raised throughout official Washington about the nature of the threats made against the whistleblower and if FBI Director Louis Freeh was directly aware of the intimidation. "I don't know how Waco, Texas could possibly be a threat to 'national security,'" one alarmed congressional chairman told the DRUDGE REPORT. "Cullen was 'politely' reminded that he signed confidentiality papers when he was hired at the CIA," says one source. Cullen has told investigators that he was visited by agents after he granted an interview to the DALLAS MORNING NEWS two weeks ago. Cullen told the paper that he learned from Delta Force commandos that up to 10 members of the secret Army unit were "present, up front and close" in helping the FBI in the final assault on the Branch Davidian compound. But the DRUDGE REPORT has learned that Cullen did not tell the paper everything he knew. In the interview with the NEWS, Cullen stopped short of stating that Delta Force members admitted to him that they were involved in combat at Waco -- information Cullen plans to reveal under oath before Congress! This much is now known: Cullen was served a subpoena by congressional investigators last week. Cullen has moved to a secret location and could not be reached for comment. Cullen has given an interview for the new film, WACO: A NEW REVELATION. On camera, the former CIA agent states: Delta Force members said they participated in a shoot-out during the final assault on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco. FILED BY MATT DRUDGE X X X X X XXX DRUDGE REPORT XXX MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 06, 1999 21:30:00 ET XXX GOVERNMENT INFORMANT: DELTA FORCE INVOLVED IN WACO SHOOT-OUT **World Exclusive** **Must Credit DRUDGE REPORT** WASHINGTON -- A former government officer has told investigators that members of the secret Army unit Delta Force said they participated in a shoot-out during the final assault on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned. The witness, according to congressional sources, has already named names -- and will soon offer his account under oath! The development caused panic and confusion at the top levels of the Justice Department and the FBI over the holiday weekend, leaving one top official scrambling for details. FBI Director Freeh has demanded a full briefing, one agency source divulged late Monday. Developing... Meanwhile, congressional investigators are growing convinced that infrared film taken by an FBI surveillance aircraft at 9,000 feet on the final day of the Waco standoff does appear to show U.S. armed forces firing into the church compound. "We are looking at the footage frame-by-frame... most of us have grown convinced that it does show snipers unloading from the rear of a tank," an investigator for the House Government Reform Committee told the DRUDGE REPORT. Former FBI agent Richard Schwein, a supervisor at Waco, said charges of government gunfire were "absolutely false." "False, absolutely false," he said on FOX NEWS SUNDAY. "No FBI agent fired any rounds from their weapons at Waco. There were no Delta Forces or special operations soldiers in an operational capacity at Waco. "And everyone on our side, and the FBI's side, were in armored vehicles, so I don't know how you'd have films of anybody firing into the back of the building. No one was on foot, because we had no body armor that would stop the rounds they were firing." WAIVER WONDER Use of active military personnel against civilians without presidential decree is a violation of federal law. Late last month White House spokesman Joe Lockhart first told reporters that he had no information on the waiver issue. [August 26, 1999; Thursday] Q Joe, why was the Army's Delta Force present on the scene the day that Waco burned? MR. LOCKHART: I would refer you to the Justice Department. I don't have information on the Delta Force one way or the
[CTRL] Bill and Melinda Gates Children's Vaccine Page
-Caveat Lector- Stories on vaccinations have been on the net lately , and none of them good. Good old Bill helping out with education and health. Peter What's happening to the enormous fortune of Bill Gates, the world's wealthiest man? Much of it seems to be finding its way into the world of philanthropy. Gates and his wife Melinda have established what is now the largest charitable foundation in the US, focusing on global health problems and education, with total assets of over $17 billion. And they're adding money to the foundation at the rate of $5 billion - every 3 months. One of the main focuses of the foundation is providing life-saving vaccines to children in less developed countries. The Bill and Melinda Gates Children's Vaccine Page: http://www.path.org/childvac/home.htm We are about to go on a Journey. All Aboard http://sites.netscape.net/gsussnzl/homepage DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Great Secrets Of The 20th
-Caveat Lector- Great Secrets Of The 20th Century - Part One By Sherman H. Skolnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7-8- 99 The British ship TITANIC sunk more so from an internal explosion in the coal bunker than from hitting an iceberg. Those who produced the most recent version of the movie "Titanic", viewed, in a special submarine, the remains of the ship on the bottom of the Atlantic, off of Newfoundland. They reportedly noticed the side of the ship showed there had been a massive internal explosion in the vicinity of the coal bunker. Was it sabotage? Knowledgeable sources contend the ship, on its maiden voyage, had been the target of blackmail and espionage intrigue implicating England and Germany who two years later went to war against each other. With the ship not having sufficient life-boats to save costs, were the passengers cold heartedly sacrificed as part of a bloody scheme to profit war-mongering large corporate interests while from1914 to 1918, millions of ordinary people killed each other? The movie producers, in a re-make of a prior movie on the Titanic sinking, spent some 200 million dollars in the production. They were not about to risk that by raising the question of the internal explosion requiring a revision of history books. [Sidenote: my late father was on the ship behind the Titanic.] In 1915, the ship "Lusitania" was likewise the subject of a bloody scheme. Supposedly just a passenger ship, yet the British withdrew protection from the ship in wartime as it approached off of England. Knowing the truth that the Lusitania was a secret munitions carrier, a German U-boat sank the ship with great loss of life including U.S. citizens. The British sacrificed the passengers as part of a scheme to draw the U.S. into World War One to aid Great Britain. Remember: the British and French Rothschilds, and the Rockefellers, created the conspiratorial Federal Reserve just prior to the war, to use American assets to finance both sides of Europe's war. 1918 - History books declare that Russian Czar Nicholas 2nd and his family, following the Russian Revolution, were assassinated by the Bolsheviks, July, 1918,in a basement of a house in Ekaterinburg, Siberia. By the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk, arranged by Lenin, in March, 1918, the Russians ended their war with Germany enabling the Germans to devote their efforts to the Western front against U.S., France, and Great Britain. [Lenin's elder brother was among those who assassinated Nicholas's grandfather, 1881, Emperor Alexander 2nd.] The Treaty had a secret codicil, arranged by the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds who financed Lenin, providing for the safe passage of the Czar and his family in exile, the Czar having abdicated the throne on behalf of himself and his young son, heir to the throne, Alexei, in the spring of 1917 The Rockefeller banks, Chicago and New York, had the PRIVATE fortune on deposit of the Romanov family, separate from Nicholas's government position as Czar of all the Russias. This consisted of 400 million dollars in gold, at the then price of 20 dollars per ounce. Declaring the Czar and his family falsely dead enabled the Rockefeller bankers to spread out their empire using the fraudulent bankers' use of fractional reserves. Through secret accounts, the Rockefellers for decades thereafter rolled over these funds, to their benefit, in violation of state escheat laws providing that bank accounts revert to the State government if not claimed after, in most states, seven years. Of course, corrupt bank regulators in Illinois and New York have condoned this by the Rockefellers' First National Bank of Chicago and their Chase Bank of New York. By 1970, documents were being released by the British, after more than 50 years of suppression, showing the British monarchy, cousins of the Czar, secretly with U.S.aid rescued the Czar and his family. So to perpetuate the big lie of royal murder, the Rockefellers financed an elaborate movie "Nicholas and Alexandra" which in its final scenes shows the alleged assassination by the Bolsheviks of the Czar and his family in Siberia. In only one edition, the pro-British monarchy Chicago Tribune had a story headlined "U.S. Aided Rescue of Czar Nichola, British hint" [Chicago Tribune, 12/14/70.) Excerpts: "British government documents which recently were placed in the public record office in London indicate that President Woodrow Wilson backed a secret mission to Russia which may have resulted in the rescue of Czar Nicholas and his family in 1918." and "A retired U.S. official, who has aided the investigations and asked to remain anonymous, said continued secrecy on the part of the British and American governments 'frustrates or makes liars out of all those who are ridiculed for stating the assassination never took place.' He said some who participated in the rescue are still alive and 'should be interviewed'" While not mentioning the Rockefellers and their banks, the story stated quoting that official " 'It is a
[CTRL] NewsHawk down?
-Caveat Lector- Has anybody heard anything from Quinns' NewsHawk lately? Peter We are about to go on a Journey. All Aboard http://sites.netscape.net/gsussnzl/homepage DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The History Channel is doing a poll today
-Caveat Lector- The History Channel is doing a poll today, on this question: "Should the right to bear arms be repealled?" Go here, to vote: Go to this one and cast your vote! http://features.yahoo.com/historychannel/ DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Energy Department powers up for Y2K testing
-Caveat Lector- Energy Department powers up for Y2K testing By Erich Luening Staff, CNET News.com September 7, 1999, 10:00 a.m. PT With the new century just more than 100 days away, the Energy Department plans tomorrow to start testing its computer systems for glitches related to the Year 2000 technology problem. On September 8, electric power plants across the country will prepare for and monitor the date rollover at midnight. September 9, or 9/9/99, is a key date for Y2K testing because computer users have used nines to mean end of input, which could shut down computers programs on this date. The drill is intended to simulate as realistically as possible the exercise of operation, communications, administration, and contingency plans for the Y2K transition. U.S. Energy Secretary Bill Richardson is slated to take part in the dress rehearsal for the Year 2000 technology glitch beginning tomorrow at the Energy Department's Bonneville Power Administration in Vancouver, Washington. Some experts believe September 9, 1999--written as 9/9/99--could create widespread computer problems similar to those that the Year 2000 date-change problem could cause. Experts said 9/9/99 could be read as "," the code that many computers use to stop a program. But Federal officials are confident the upcoming date change will come and go without any problems. "This industry-wide drill is yet another way to test whether local utility companies will have power after the clock strikes midnight at the end of the year," Secretary Richardson said in a statement. "The nation's 3,200 electric utility companies and cooperatives need to do everything they can to test their preparedness and ensure consumers a smooth transition into the year 2000." The Year 2000 problem, also known as the millennium bug, stems from an old programming shortcut that used only the last two digits of the year. Many computers now must be modified, or they may mistake the year 2000 for the year 1900 and may not be able to function at all. -- Sec. 107. Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include - (1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes; (2) the nature of the copyrighted work; (3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and (4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work. The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Warrant of Agent Davy Aguilera
-Caveat Lector- Excerpt from "Sinister Twilight: A tragedy near Waco, and a Sinister Twilight in America" by Ron Cole. Published by the author. Warrant of Agent Davy Aguilera There would never have been a raid on Mt. Carmel if Special Agent Davy Aguilera had lived up to the oath he took before joining the ATF. In that oath, Aguilera swore that he would protect the Constitution of the United States from all enemies, foreign *and domestic*. Unfortunately, he must have forgotten that part when he personally wrote the 15-page search warrant that was to have been served to David Koresh on February 28. This warrant, composed by a federal agent given the responsibility, or honor, of protecting citizens of the United States against threats to our happiness and freedoms, reads like a grocery store tabloid or a copy of the Waco Tribune-Herald! Unlike the Tribune-Herald, Aguilera does go into more detail concerning the alleged gun violations, which is the only thing concerning Mt. Carmel that the ATF had any jurisdiction over. Just the same, the ATF warrant is filled with the testimony of Mark Breault and his friends. Paragraph after paragraph explains how David Koresh was running a military compound. All of these allegations originate and are supported (both) by Marc Breault, as he claimed that he not only witnessed these activities, but took part in them! Aguilera never bothered to question Marc about his sincerity, so it seems, since the fact that Marc was blind never materialized. It would have been very hard for Aguilera to justify Marc's allegations if he had been aware of this handicap, since Marc admitted that he took part in these military drills, including target practice and armed guard duty. Excerpt from the original warrant written by Davy Aguilera: "On January 8, 1993, I interviewed Marc Breault in Los Angeles, California. He is an American citizen who lives in Australia with his wife Elizabeth. He was once a member of the "Branch Davidian" in Waco, Texas. He lived at the Mount Carmel Center from early 1988 until September 1989. While there he participated in physical training and firearm shooting exercises conducted by Howell. He stood guard armed with a loaded weapon. Guard duty was maintained." Other, more significant, parts of the warrant were equally as ridiculous. Aguilera explained in detail that magazines such as the Shotgun News were known to have been present at Mt. Carmel. This particular magazine has a subscription list of over 150,000 and can be purchased in most newsstands, but Aguilera refers to it as a "clandestine magazine!" Virtually all gun dealers subscribe to this publication because of its extensive advertising. Since Paul Fatta, Mike Schroeder and others living at Mt. Carmel made money buying and selling guns and gun accessories at gun shows, it is only natural that they would have copies of Shotgun News around. Aguilera got to the meat of the matter when he tried to show that David Koresh had possession of machine guns. Although he lists huge quantities of gun parts that David and others had ordered, very few *could* be anything close to parts intended to convert a semi-automatic rifle to a machine gun. The EZ kits that Aguilera mentioned were in fact E2 kits, purchased from Nessard Gun Parts and do not constitute an illegal weapon of any kind. Aguilera filled the huge gaps in his accumulated circumstantial evidence with reports of gunfire made by neighbors, child abuse, adultery and other less volatile tidbits of senseless rhetoric that had all been investigated and dismissed long before he wrote the warrant. It is difficult to understand, and exceptionally scary, that the warrant written by Davy Aguilera did, all by itself, justify and ultimately lead directly to the assault on Mt. Carmel by nearly 100 armed and specially trained soldiers. It is a fact that all a government agency needs is a bunch of jealous old friends willing to gossip and a few unsubstantiated rumors of possible violations to orchestrate a deadly raid against an American home? This is precisely what has happened! It is all the more disturbing to know that Magistrate Green in Waco signed off the lives of those in Mt. Carmel Center based on Aguilera's gossip column of a "warrant!" Disturbing or not, this is what happened, and we are, or so it seems, quite powerless to do anything about it. (If anyone needs the background on Marc Breault, let me know and I'll retype that part of the book, too. I don't have a scanner.) DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts,
[CTRL] American Veteran Search Newsletter # 7
-Caveat Lector- American Veteran Search Newsletter # 7 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * September 1999 Dear Members, Brothers Sisters, The American G.I. - Most influential person of the century. Time Magazine prepared a list of the 10 most influential people of the century in each field to mark the end of the century. The 10 most influential scientists, politicians, entertainers, sports figures, musicians, artists, and industrialists. This month they published the 10 most influential people (overall) of the century. They named "the American G.I." the most influential person of the century. ** "A Blessing from Chaplain Ed Skinner" To Rich, Jack the crew at AVS: "Father, I humbly beseech thee to give your holy graces to those who are giving their efforts to the Internet web service, www.veteransearch.com, for they are complying to your orders, "love your neighbor as you would love yourself," in that they are fostering connection and devotion to one another among the veterans who offered up their lives so that all beings might live their lives on earth in freedom. Grant them comfort, stamina and peace in their noble efforts. Bless the web page so that it may continue to serve these brave warriors in brotherly love. I ask this through our Lord, Jesus Christ. + God bless you all, - Chaplain Ed Skinner Comfort the Sick - veterans ministry Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Subject: ATTENTION VIETNAM VETS Date: 99-08-23 14:13:51 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Friend, In the mid 60's, when I realized that there was a country called Vietnam, and that there were people, servicemen and women, fighting for OUR country, I felt an obligation to do something. I had no idea what to do, for I was young and a female. How could I help our sweet men in the jungle? I felt so helpless..But in my heart was this urge to help out somehow. All I could do was pray for them until I found a list of addresses...addresses of guys that needed a letter from home There were about 50 names and trying to decide which ones to write to was hard, so I simply took the whole list. I wrote to each and everyone of those sweet soldiers. They really liked me at the Post Office because most of the soldiers received packages from me. I corresponded with about 6 of them weekly or whenever they had time to write to methe sad part was that some letters would come back to me.unopened stamped and restamped, like they had gone from one part of the Nam to the other, trying to find the soldier. Some, I never heard from again. I would cry but would tell myself that it was because they didnt want to write to me anymore, or they had lost my addressbut I didnt want to know that it was because something had happened to them. Many a day I would just start crying at work... trying to hide it knowing that my co-workers would not understand. I am a very emotional person...I cried for you then and I'm crying for you now as I write this. YOU are ALL part of my life...YOU are ALL in my heartand my mission is to thank each and everyone of you...to tell you that I DO APPRECIATE YOUthat YOU are NOT FORGOTTENand to say THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart So you see, I'm also a Vet in my own right..I went through this with you...maybe not carrying a rifle or humping through the jungle or getting wounded...but with my heart, here at homepraying and writing and crying for ALL OF YOUand please know that I was and still amSO VERY PROUD OF EACH AND EVERYONE OF YOU!! I have written this in the hope that, somewhere out there, is a soldier that remembers getting a package or a letter or perhaps remembers writing to meI know there has to be. But perhaps too much time has gone by and the memory of a letter from a young gal in California is erased. Yes, it has been a long time since that awful warand I wish that it had never happenedbut it did and we lost our loved ones and our "buddies". But now its time to go ontime to support each other and remember the HEROES that lost their lives for usand I for one will NEVER forget but will keep YOU in my heart and pray for you daily. I wish each of you health, peace, happiness and LOVE. Your Sis, ~ Hope ~ * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * AVS CELEBRATION: Last month we celebrated our 1,100th Reunion since opening the site on Veterans Day 1998 ALSO: Last month we had 320,000 hits on our web-site. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Please visit and read our featured article on: The News Observer on the Web, by Paul Gilster Visit here A HREF="http://search.news-observer.com/plweb-cgi/fastweb?getdoc+nao-daily2+nao-
[CTRL] FW: [CTRL] The History Channel is doing a poll today
-Caveat Lector- Bard -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bill Richer Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 5:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] The History Channel is doing a poll today -Caveat Lector- The History Channel is doing a poll today, on this question: "Should the right to bear arms be repealled?" Go here, to vote: Go to this one and cast your vote! http://features.yahoo.com/historychannel/ DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Research Intern Positions Available
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/weeky.htm#Research Intern Positions Available If you would like to participate in a new conspiracy scholar training program (minimum time required two hours a week), contact Eric Samuelson, J.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Applicants must affirm that they are not members of any secret society. Serious inquiries only. Video won't be able to hold onto any market it captures after the first six months. People will soon get tired of staring at a plywood box every night." -- Darryl F. Zanuck, Head of 20th Century-Fox Studio c. 1946. Despite Zanduck's prediction, many years later, a TV Guide survey asked 1,007 to answer the question: "How much money would it take to induce you to give up watching TV?" Twenty-three percent said they would sell for $25,000. Forty-six percent demanded $1 million. Twenty-five percent said they would refuse a cool million. The folk wisdom says that people used to go to bed early to rise with the sun. The phrase, "burning the midnight oil," came from the period before electrification, radio and TV. Before the increase in crime and numerous people in and intruding into our lives, evenings were also spent talking or just sitting on the porch. Today we have twenty-four hour life in the cities and most people have had enough of people by the end of the day, so a period of relaxation now typically includes mindlessly watching the tube. According to L. Wolfe, a profile by the authors of Watching America, some years ago, did a random sampling of the top 350 people involved in television programming. 73% came from either the Boston-Washington corridor or California. Although 93% had a religious upbringing (59% were Jewish), 45% claimed no religious affiliation or belief in God; those who said that they had retained some religious faith, said that their religious affiliations were nominal; 93% said they seldom or never attended religious services. Some 75% described themselves as "left of center" politically and "`liberal." Although "liberals," they were also strong believers in "free enterprise," and almost all supported the "free market system of economics." 43% thought that the American system of government and the Constitution needed a "complete restructuring." 91% were in favor of unrestricted rights to abortion; 80% believed that there is nothing wrong or abnormal about homosexuality, and 86% supported the right of homosexuals to teach in public schools. More than 83% believed that extramarital affairs are okay, while 51% thought there was nothing wrong with adultery. Nearly all supported a radical public land-grabbing environmentalist agenda to one degree or another. No question was asked about whether they believed that man was a beast, but their other answers revealed that their answer would have been a resounding "yes." Finally, asked which groups should influence American society the most, they listed consumer groups and intellectuals at the top and religion at the bottom. Two-thirds believed that it was their role to program television entertainment to promote "their" social agenda. Research suggests that most TV viewers remember very little specifics but only get the basic theme. When we went to school, we took notes and read assigned books. TV watchers rarely take notes and most people don't read much after they complete their education. Some student talked back to their teachers but it is considered bad form to talk back to the TV. Also, it is generally not polite to interrupt Dan Rather when he is telling it the way it is. My degree, before completing law school, was in political science. For about ten years I have been reading what material I could find on those who belong to exclusive organizations that meet in secret and appear to have the inside track on what will happen next, particularly in matters of U.S. foreign policy. While a number of authors have contributed materially to this subject, it was not until Gaylon Ross that any attempt was made to compile the whole roster of various elites and identify who they were and where they worked. Initially, I began this project by making notes as I watched the TV. I found that writing tidbits down made it more interesting. Gradually, I realized that it was necessary to organize the notes and put the date and name of the program on the side. Occasionally, as different people were being interviewed, I looked their names up in Robert Gaylon Ross's WHO'S WHO OF THE ELITE (Dec. 1995). Still relying just on the notes made while watching each program, I began a series of weekly global wrap-ups. I organized the information just like it was coming off the screen. When I printed it out my learned friends said it wasn't organized enough. So the present format of THE WEEK THAT JUST WAS was adopted with early morning note-taking from tapes taking the place of taking notes directly while watching each show. I was amazed at how much better the notes were from tapes as compared to a
[CTRL] Warrant of Agent Davy Aguilera
-Caveat Lector- Thank you Jean Staffen for making the Waco warrant available. THIS is a warrant from a US Government Agency ? agent Aguilera is acting on behalf of the US Goverment with unsupported gossip.? God help us! Looks as if ATF wanted to make a big show at budget time to influence Congressand Congress couldnt figure that back in 1993? Lets see if the media picks up on this and digs out the original warrant with Judge Greens explanation.. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Smile for the US Secret Service
-Caveat Lector- http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/explode-infobeat/politics/story/21607.html Declan McCullagh is onto it. Here we go. Digitised drivers licenses for USA too.They'll be able to track you by satellite.We have them in NZ now. You have to have them with you or you'll be fined. www.howlingatthemoon.com The book The God Factor by Ian Wishart covers this.It's an extension of PROMIS. Nicky DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The real reason America produces wealth.
-Caveat Lector- AMERICANS WORK LONGEST HOURS US workers put in the longest hours on the job in industrialized nations, clocking up nearly 2,000 hours per capita in 1997, the equivalent of almost two working weeks more than their counterparts in Japan where annual hours worked have been gradually declining since 1980, according to a new statistical study published by the International Labor Office. The long working hours of US and Japanese workers (whose 1995 total was 1,889 annual hours worked versus 2,121 in 1980, a decline of more than 10%) contrasts most sharply with those of European workers, who are logging progressively fewer hours on the job, particularly in the Scandinavian countries such as Norway and Sweden where hours worked in 1997 were, respectively 1,399 and 1,552 per year. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] win2k and _NSAKEY links
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 07 Sep 1999 21:07:30 GMT, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: x-no-archive: yes FYI regarding the possible security compromise in windows95/98/NT/2k here are some links: Microsoft statements (they mention a third key in win2k): http://www.microsoft.com/security/bulletins/backdoor.asp Crytonym (discovered the _NSAKEY that's not an NSAKEY [or is it?]) http://www.cryptonym.com/hottopics/msft-nsa.html http://www.cryptonym.com CNN http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9909/03/windows.nsa/ Wired News Report http://www.wired.com/news/print_version/technology/story/21577.html?wnpg= Other: http://www.mercurycenter.com/business/top/075526.htm http://ntbugtraq.ntadvice.com/default.asp?sid=1pid=47aid=52 http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/1999/09/04/BU31508.DTL hope this helps --steve DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] THE COLONEL HOUSE REPORT(1919)
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/house.htm#THE COLONEL HOUSE REPORT(1919) THE COLONEL HOUSE REPORT(1919) [The following comes from Geo. W. Armstrong's THE ZIONISTS (1950). I have looked in the Congressional Record and can confirm the contention that it was submitted by Congressman Thorkelson but did not make it into the bound volume. Also, I have found several discussions in the Record where at least one Texas House member objected because it was not favorable to Col. House. Therefore, it is either: 1) a hoax, 2) a created summary of what might have been written by a British agent or 3) is a genuine expose of the true British plan. For me it forms an insightful basis for additional research. The names mentioned include: Nicholas Murray Butler (1862-1947) (President, Columbia University, 1902-1945, President, CEIP, 1925-1945, etc.), Raymond Blaine Fosdick (1883-1972) (BB/CFR21) (President of the General Education Board, 1936-1948, Undersecretary-General, League of Nations, 1919-1920, etc.), Samuel Gompers, Franklin Lane and W. B. Wilson. The date is interesting since it is within a couple of weeks of the Majestic Hotel meeting in Paris where the British and American delegates met to fashion what became the RIIA and the CFR. From the content itself Lord Northcliffe seems not to have been the author. I have not yet found the promised later book]. The British Secret Service Report No. 1919, called the "Col. E. M. House letter," contains an official and authentic report of the first world war, the agency that brought it about and the purpose of it. This report in its entirety is highly interesting but the discussion here will be limited to "Imperial Unity," J P. Morgan Company, British Duplicity, and the League of Nations. This report, or letter, was presented to the House of Representatives by Congressman Thorkelson of Montana, and is published in the Congressional Record of October 13, 1919, p. 598-604 inclusive. Its authenticity was discussed by members of the House and an effort was made to strike it from the Record, which failed. See Congressional Record, October 11, 1939, p.714 et seq.; also of September 9, 1940, p.17835; and September 11, 1940, p.18311. The letter or report is not published in the bound volumes of the Congressional Record of October 11, 1939, or the appendix of that date. Evidently some interested person prevented its publication, despite the refusal of the House of Representatives to strike it from the Record. The text as here set forth can be easily verified by reference to an original unbound copy of the Congressional Record of October 11 1939. It will be published in full in the next edition of this booklet. It was called the "Col. E. M. House letter," but it is not a letter. It is an official report made by an important officer of the British Secret Service, on stationery of the British Consulate. It reveals its official character and its verity upon its face. No minor official would dare write such a letter to the British Prime Minister, or dare discuss the important subjects contained in it; except in the line of duty. Moreover, it was written by a man who KNEW and whose duty it was to know. It was not written by Col. E. M. House. This name was merely an adopted name; a nom de plume. It is the custom of secret agents to disguise themselves under a number or an assumed name. The letter is known as the British Secret Service Report No.1919. Sec Congressional Record, October 13. 1939, p.714. It discloses that it was probably written by Lord Northcliffe, who was at that time the head of the British Propaganda Department in enemy countries. He sustained toward Lloyd George the same intimate relationship that once existed between Woodrow Wilson and Colonel House, and this fact may explain the name he assumed. This document should be considered in connection with the drive by the Fair Dealers, the press, the radio. and the uplifters, for the Atlantic Pact, "Union Now," "Federal Union, Inc.," etc., for it will enable us to determine the true meaning of it all. The immensely wealthy private bank of N. M. Rothschild Son, and the Zionists, controlled the British Empire then as well as now. Then they controlled the Bank of England, the press, the railroads. and the industries with minor exceptions. Lord Northcliffe was the publisher of the Daily Mail and other papers. The report follows: Imperial Unity British Consulate New York City June 10, 1919 "The Right Honorable David Lloyd George, Sir: I was highly honored by your personal letter of May 24 last (written same week as Paris meeting), and wish to thank you for the cordial expression of approval of my work which it contained. You were very good enough to require from me a frank and confidential account of the campaign conducted under my direction in this country, together with such suggestions as might further help to lead it speedily to a successful conclusion. As the campaign had been under
Re: [CTRL] Smile for the US Secret Service
-Caveat Lector- Digitised drivers licenses for USA too.They'll be able to track you by satellite.We have them in NZ now. You have to have them with you or you'll be fined. look on the bright side Nicky ... they'll be so inundated with data that they will only have time to shovel it - not analyse it :) Andrew DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] ROTHSCHILDS AND AMERICA
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/slavery.htm#ROTHSCHILDS AND AMERICA It would be extraordinarily naive to even consider the possibility that a family as ambitious, as cunning and as monopolistically minded as the Rothschilds could resist the temptation of becoming heavily involved on the American front. Following their conquest of Europe early in the 1800s, the Rothschilds cast their covetous eyes on the most precious gem of them all - the United States. America was unique in modern history. It was only the second nation in history that had ever been formed with the Bible as its law book. Its uniquely magnificent Constitution was specifically designed to limit the power of government and to keep its citizens free and prosperous. Its citizens were basically industrious immigrants who 'yearned to breath free' and who asked nothing more than to be given the opportunity to live and work in such a wonderfully stimulating environment. The results - the 'fruit' - of such a unique experiment were so indescribably brilliant that America became a legend around the globe. Many millions across the far flung continents of the world viewed America the Beautiful as the promised land. The Big Bankers in Europe - the Rothschilds and their cohorts - viewed the wonderful results borne by this unique experiment from an entirely different perspective; they looked upon it as a major threat to their future plans. The establishment Times of London stated: "If that mischievous financial policy which had its origin in the North American Republic [i.e. honest Constitutionally authorized no debt money] should become indurated down to a fixture, then that government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off its debts and be without a debt [to the international bankers]. It will become prosperous beyond precedent in the history of the civilized governments of the world. The brains and wealth of all countries will go to North America. That government must be destroyed or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe." The Rothschilds and their friends sent in their financial termites to destroy America because it was becoming "prosperous beyond precedent." The first documentable evidence of Rothschild involvement in the financial affairs of the United States came in the late 1820s and early 1830s when the family, through their agent Nicholas Biddie, fought to defeat Andrew Jackson's move to curtail the international bankers. The Rothschilds lost the first round when in 1832, President Jackson vetoed the move to renew the charter of the 'Bank of the United States' (a central bank controlled by the international bankers). In 1836 the bank went out of business. PLAN OF DESTRUCTION In the years following Independence, a close business relationship had developed between the cotton growing aristocracy in the South and the cotton manufacturers in England. The European bankers decided that this business connection was America's Achilles Heel, the door through which the young American Republic could be successfully attacked and overcome. The Illustrated University History, 1878, p. 504, tells us that the southern states swarmed with British agents. These conspired with local politicians to work against the best interests of the United States. Their carefully sown and nurtured propaganda developed into open rebellion and resulted in the secession of South Carolina on December 29, 1860. Within weeks another six states joined the conspiracy against the Union, and broke away to form the Confederate States of America, with Jefferson Davis as President. The plotters raided armies, seized forts, arsenals, mints and other Union property. Even members of President Buchanan's Cabinet conspired to destroy the Union by damaging the public credit and working to bankrupt the nation. Buchanan claimed to deplore secession but took no steps to check it, even when a U.S. ship was fired upon by South Carolina shore batteries. Shortly thereafter Abraham Lincoln became President, being inaugurated on March 4, 1861. Lincoln immediately ordered a blockade on Southern ports, to cut off supplies that were pouring in from Europe. The 'official' date for the start of the Civil War is given as April 12, 1861, when Fort Sumter in South Carolina was bombarded by the Confederates, but it obviously began at a much earlier date. In December, 1861, large numbers of European Troops (British, French and Spanish) poured into Mexico in defiance of the Monroe Doctrine. This, together with widespread European aid to the Confederacy strongly indicated that the Crown was preparing to enter the war. The outlook for the North, and the future of the Union, was bleak indeed. In this hour of extreme crisis, Lincoln appealed to the Crown's perennial enemy, Russia, for
[CTRL] Roll over Karl. A racist capitalist bigot will save the working man.
-Caveat Lector- For the first time since the Vietnam war, I will vote in a major election. I will vote for a racist, sexist, Jew hating, capitalist bigot who is the only one that can stop the Global Capitalists. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Holding my nose, Joshua2 = CNN CROSSFIRE - September 6, 1999 What Party Deserves the Union Label? BILL PRESS, CO-HOST: Tonight, looking for the union label -- on this Labor Day, candidates are appealing for the support of labor unions. Who deserves it more? Democrats or Republicans? ANNOUNCER: From Washington, CROSSFIRE. On the left, Bill Press; on the right, Mary Matalin. In the CROSSFIRE, Congressman Tom Davis of Virginia, chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee, and Richard Trumka, secretary treasurer of the AFL-CIO. PRESS: Good evening. Welcome to CROSSFIRE. It's Labor Day, when anybody with any sense is at the beach, and everybody else is out campaigning, Democrat and Republican. GOP front-runner George W. Bush rode in Labor Day parade in South Carolina. Gary Bauer, Steve Forbes and Dan Quayle all worked the same labor crowd up in New Hampshire. And Vice President Al Gore was grand marshal for the big Labor Day parade in Des Moines, Iowa, all of which is a sure sign that labor's going to be a big player in the 2000 elections, and is, in fact, already gearing up. The AFL-CIO reportedly plans to spend up to $46 million in 2000, supporting candidates, mostly Democrats. In 1998, only 27 Republican members of Congress received labor support. Is that fair? A lot of union members vote Republican, but are union bosses willing to support more Republicans? Or are unions, as some charge, just political subdivisions of the Democratic National Committee? Weighty questions for tonight's guests as we examine labor and politics, 2000. Mary. MARY MATALIN, CO-HOST: Well, happy Labor Day. And we'd much rather be with you than at the beach, Mr. Trumka. Now, I am a member in good standing of the vast right-wing conspiracy. I am also... RICHARD TRUMKA, SECRETARY TREASURER, AFL-CIO: That's good. I'm glad to finally meet you, by the way. MATALIN: Well, and happy to be there, and also proud card- carrying member of the American Steelworkers, AFTRA, SAG, I belong to three different unions, and that is not that weird. Thirty-one percent of union members -- union households identify themselves as conservative. Somewhere between 40 percent and even higher vote for Republicans. Why, Mr. Trumka, then, in past elections, does 99 percent of union money go to support Democrats? TRUMKA: Well, first of all, only 20 percent of our members are really where you said they were. And we actually looked at that program, and at one point about two years ago, about 40 percent of our members actually voted where we thought they shouldn't be. I'm not going to name that political party. MATALIN: That's almost half of your party voting against... TRUMKA: But it drove our current program, because what we found out is they were voting for people who were not going to Congress and voting in their interests. So our new program is designed to issue- educate them, and give them a real informed choice so they can make a decision on Election Day on who goes to support him and who doesn't. MATALIN: Of all the issues that all American families are concerned about, particularly union households are interested in and do support tax cuts. Seventy percent of union members supported the across the board 10 percent tax cut, which is no more, yet you oppose it. They also obviously must support policies that promote job creation, not the kind of policies Democrat support. Those are the two biggest issues for union families. TRUMKA: Well, first of all, they don't support tax cuts when it's going to destroy Social Security, Medicare and other groups. And they tell us, whenever they talk to us, we wish that that Congress up there would spend a little less time bickering with each other and more time figure out ways to keep jobs here, to keep -- develop good trade policies that help us with manufacturing. They also don't think it's a very fair tax cut when 70 percent of it goes to the top 10 percent. That's not a blue collar friendly tax plan. That's a country club tax plan. PRESS: Congressman Davis, welcome to the show, by the way. REP. THOMAS DAVIS (R-VA), CHAIRMAN, NATIONAL REPUBLICAN CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE: The tax plan is totally misrepresented. You have been reading that AFL-CIO material. That's not what's in the tax... TRUMKA: I helped develop that, Tom. DAVIS: Listen, we're ending the marriage penalty in this. We have some -- some of your pension plans are better protected, and we don't touch the Social Security trust fund. It is protected in a lock-box. TRUMKA: Over 70 percent of the tax cut that you talked about goes to the top 10 percent. DAVIS: That's because they pay 70 percent of taxes, today. TRUMKA: That's not a worker
Re: [CTRL] What the corporate press isn't telling you abouttheIndonesianMilitias
-Caveat Lector- 9/8/99 When all you have is a hammer (and no brain), everything starts looking like a nail. Bill wrote: -Caveat Lector- I think they are trying to create dread and loathing against the word "Militia". This is the dumbest thing I've herd yet. American " patriots " don't have a monopoly on the word militia. Most militias are just a bunch of violent assholes. The Indonesian Militias are patriots too. Joshua2 Lucio Benedetto wrote: -Caveat Lector- The Nation ran this story in May. Why is the mainstream press acting so amazed that the militias are now behaving as they are? Why are they so reluctant to state that these acts of terrror are planned and abetted by the Indonesian military and the hapless Indonesian regime? Could it be the fact that the U.S. backed, trained, and financed the Indonesian military? That the U.S. tacitly recognized Indonesia's right to invade and annex East Timor? That it was, in fact, the U.S. that helped create Indonesia's brutal police state in 1965, going so far as to provide the Suharto regime with the names of 30,000 "suspects," most of whom were later disappeared? Once again American "truth, justice, and the American way" is unleashed upon an innocent populous. And once again the American people are deceived and distracted by their own press. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FW: Mental Health Bills and School Clinics
-Caveat Lector- forwarded... Dave Hartley http://www.Asheville-Computer.com http://www.ioa.com/~davehart -Original Message- From: Steven Wallace, Sr. Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 3:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fwd: Mental Health Bills and School Clinics This deserves national attention -- all states, all parents ... Subj: Fwd: Mental Health Bills and School Clinics Date: 9/7/99 11:54:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pat Rylance) This is mainly for Californians, but this state is a forerunner for all other states. Know what might be coming your way if state authorities get their way. It's time to start pulling kids out of schools and homeschooling them. Their are several good websites for homeschooling that parents can turn to if they have to and they get credit for schooling just as if they were in school. Pay attention folks ... they are taking more and more rights away from us. This has to STOP Pat ++ Subj: Mental Health Bills and School Clinics Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 13:08:59 -0700 (PDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.webpub.com/~capitol/health_.html http://www.webpub.com/~capitol/health_.html California Mental Health Bills that you and your family should know about! Status: AB 88 - Senate Appropriations Hearing Scheduled 9-1-99 AB 1363 - Senate Floor AB 920 - Assembly Appropriations (Will not be heard till next year) SB 468 - Assembly Appropriations Stop AB 1363 (School Health Centers) BACKGROUND: AB 1363 will further drive a wedge of suspicion, anger, and hostility between parents and the public school system as it tramples parental rights. It will set churches at odds with government for offering condoms, contraceptives and abortions to minors. It will set taxpayers against a gubernatorial administration that is spending billions of tax dollars on education while condoning a program that will erode classroom time, school space, and local control. Assemblywoman Susan Davis (D - San Diego), the bill author, was an outspoken proponent of school based clinics in the San Diego School District while she was on the school board there. AB 1363, School Health Centers, would vastly expand both scope and number of school based clinics throughout the state. AB 1363, requires the Healthy Families program to consider school health centers as traditional safety net providers and establishes their facility requirements. While touted as health care for poor uninsured children, Healthy Families insurance coverage would be given to families with incomes up to 250% federal poverty level. Thats about $41,000 for a family of four. Advocates are pushing Governor Gray Davis to raise this to 300%, and to bring adult family members into the program. This is an attempt at large scale expansion of government managed health care. To do this, AB 1363 proposes major revisions to the public school system which are unsound, uncorrectable, and unwarranted. Here are seven reasons to reject AB 1363: 1. Education Is Adversely Affected - AB 1363 stipulates that a school health center shall operate each day and that to the maximum extent possible, permits scheduled appointments that do not unnecessarily interrupt the students classroom time. Although the intent is to minimize classroom interruption, the SHC main hours of operation will be during the time their targeted clientele are in school. When the Governor has given highest priority to improving academic achievement and holding students to higher standards, why institute a program that is going to decrease the amount of time children will spend in the classroom? 2. Parental Rights Are Abrogated - By law, government provided health care must include full reproductive services from contraceptives to chemical and/or surgical abortions with associated confidentiality free of parental involvement. Sending your child to a school that has a school health center is like sending your child to a Planned Parenthood clinic. School based clinics have called students in for unsolicited counseling. Parental notification or consent would also be denied for psychological testing, drug counseling and even for pelvic exams of 11 year old girls as happened in East Stroudsburg, PA. 3. Immorality Is Fostered - A School Health Center (SHC) puts great pressure on young girls to become sexually active by offering contraceptives and abortion referrals while using a school campus setting to give promiscuity a false respectability. Abstinence-only curricula is the only proven means of reducing teenage pregnancies. 4. Local Control Is Lost - School Health Centers bypass the local school board and electorate. SHC personnel would be responsible to the provider groups funding them and to government agency regulations. Accountability to school boards, parents and taxpayers would be lost. It is not clear that even routine FBI background checks would be made on unlicensed SHC
Re: [CTRL] Roll over Karl. A racist capitalist bigot will save the working man.
-Caveat Lector- Read Forbes' new book, A New Birth Of Freedom, and vote for the guy who will do this without the bigotry! From: Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Roll over Karl. A racist capitalist bigot will save the working man. Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 22:39:34 -0100 -Caveat Lector- For the first time since the Vietnam war, I will vote in a major election. I will vote for a racist, sexist, Jew hating, capitalist bigot who is the only one that can stop the Global Capitalists. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Holding my nose, Joshua2 = CNN CROSSFIRE - September 6, 1999 What Party Deserves the Union Label? BILL PRESS, CO-HOST: Tonight, looking for the union label -- on this Labor Day, candidates are appealing for the support of labor unions. Who deserves it more? Democrats or Republicans? ANNOUNCER: From Washington, CROSSFIRE. On the left, Bill Press; on the right, Mary Matalin. In the CROSSFIRE, Congressman Tom Davis of Virginia, chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee, and Richard Trumka, secretary treasurer of the AFL-CIO. PRESS: Good evening. Welcome to CROSSFIRE. It's Labor Day, when anybody with any sense is at the beach, and everybody else is out campaigning, Democrat and Republican. GOP front-runner George W. Bush rode in Labor Day parade in South Carolina. Gary Bauer, Steve Forbes and Dan Quayle all worked the same labor crowd up in New Hampshire. And Vice President Al Gore was grand marshal for the big Labor Day parade in Des Moines, Iowa, all of which is a sure sign that labor's going to be a big player in the 2000 elections, and is, in fact, already gearing up. The AFL-CIO reportedly plans to spend up to $46 million in 2000, supporting candidates, mostly Democrats. In 1998, only 27 Republican members of Congress received labor support. Is that fair? A lot of union members vote Republican, but are union bosses willing to support more Republicans? Or are unions, as some charge, just political subdivisions of the Democratic National Committee? Weighty questions for tonight's guests as we examine labor and politics, 2000. Mary. MARY MATALIN, CO-HOST: Well, happy Labor Day. And we'd much rather be with you than at the beach, Mr. Trumka. Now, I am a member in good standing of the vast right-wing conspiracy. I am also... RICHARD TRUMKA, SECRETARY TREASURER, AFL-CIO: That's good. I'm glad to finally meet you, by the way. MATALIN: Well, and happy to be there, and also proud card- carrying member of the American Steelworkers, AFTRA, SAG, I belong to three different unions, and that is not that weird. Thirty-one percent of union members -- union households identify themselves as conservative. Somewhere between 40 percent and even higher vote for Republicans. Why, Mr. Trumka, then, in past elections, does 99 percent of union money go to support Democrats? TRUMKA: Well, first of all, only 20 percent of our members are really where you said they were. And we actually looked at that program, and at one point about two years ago, about 40 percent of our members actually voted where we thought they shouldn't be. I'm not going to name that political party. MATALIN: That's almost half of your party voting against... TRUMKA: But it drove our current program, because what we found out is they were voting for people who were not going to Congress and voting in their interests. So our new program is designed to issue- educate them, and give them a real informed choice so they can make a decision on Election Day on who goes to support him and who doesn't. MATALIN: Of all the issues that all American families are concerned about, particularly union households are interested in and do support tax cuts. Seventy percent of union members supported the across the board 10 percent tax cut, which is no more, yet you oppose it. They also obviously must support policies that promote job creation, not the kind of policies Democrat support. Those are the two biggest issues for union families. TRUMKA: Well, first of all, they don't support tax cuts when it's going to destroy Social Security, Medicare and other groups. And they tell us, whenever they talk to us, we wish that that Congress up there would spend a little less time bickering with each other and more time figure out ways to keep jobs here, to keep -- develop good trade policies that help us with manufacturing. They also don't think it's a very fair tax cut when 70 percent of it goes to the top 10 percent. That's not a blue collar friendly tax plan. That's a country club tax plan. PRESS: Congressman Davis, welcome to the show, by the way. REP. THOMAS DAVIS (R-VA), CHAIRMAN, NATIONAL REPUBLICAN CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE: The tax plan is totally misrepresented. You have been reading that AFL-CIO material. That's not what's in the tax... TRUMKA: I helped develop that,
[CTRL] Feast of Trumpets
-Caveat Lector- Note from Bill Koenig Zola Levitt will be on TBN tonight (Monday) with a one-hour prophecy program. It will be repeated again Thursday, September 9, 1999. Details below. Zola will be speaking about The Feast of Trumpets (Rosh Hashanah) and the possibility of the rapture taking place during the coming festival. I have also included excerpts from his September 99 newsletter. Also, Grant Jeffrey, Yacov Rambsel Dr. Mark Chironna will be on TBN tomorrow night, Tuesday, September 7. Details below. Thanks to Janet Strickland for sending Zola's information to us. * Zola Levitt's Program: Zola's one-hour prophecy special airs tonight at 9 p.m. PDT, 11:00 p.m. CDT, and 12:00 midnight EDT. On Thursday, September 9, the program will air at 4:00 p.m. PDT, 6:00 p.m. CDT, and 7:00 p.m. EDT. TBN agreed to air "Is This the End?" and fulfilled their two requirements: prime time and before September 10. Grant Jeffrey and Yacov Rambsel's Interview: Matt Laurie Crouch will interview Grant Jeffrey, Yacov Rambsel Dr. Mark Chironna. With a world premier of the Omega Code. The Omega Code is a full-length feature movie that will be premiered in 300 theaters in the United States in the middle of October. The movie will discuss prophecy; the mark; the anti-christ; signs of the times; and much more. It also talks about salvation. The movie was shot in Rome, Israel and the United States The interview will be aired live tomorrow (Tuesday) at 7 p.m. PDT, 9 p.m. CDT, and 10 p.m. EDT on Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN). TBN can be found on most cable networks and independently in some markets. ** Excerpts from Zola's newsletter: September 1999 Dear Friends, The letter I wrote to you in April designated September 10 this year, the evening on which the Feast of Trumpets begins, as a possible date for the Rapture of the Church. I wanted to mention this again because, after all, it just may happen. Now first, before I say anything else, let me clarify that I am not dictating the date of the Rapture. That knowledge is beyond any Bible student, and the Lord did not choose to reveal it.- "It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which my Father hath put in His own power," He told His disciples when asked about His return (Acts 1:7). The Lord's logic is clear if we look at the very relevant wedding analogy to the Gospel. In that case. He is the Bridegroom choosing a bride, and the date of the wedding would be determined by when the bridal chamber was finished. The father of the bridegroom was the sole judge of that, and so, asking the bridegroom would be violating a tradition. In my musical presentation, "Beloved Thief," I use the line "Only my father knows" for the bridegroom to tell questioners about the date of the wedding. The Lord, of course, has promised us splendid accommodations in heaven and assured the entire church: In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. (John 14:2-3) With all that said, I am like any other prospective bride in this grand wedding, and I don't know the date when I will see the Lord, my bridegroom, face to face. And thus, I cannot predict the Rapture. So why do I say what I do about September 10? Well, here another factor enters the picture. As I pointed out in my many previous letters, the Lord has honored the Seven Feasts of Israel in performing His most profound spiritual acts. He was crucified on Passover, buried on Unleavened Bread, raised on First Fruits, and sent the Holy Spirit at Pentecost. We have all wondered when the next event of such magnitude would transpire, and of course we look to the fifth feast, the Feast of Trumpets. The Rapture, of course, occurs at "the sound of the trump of God." In the case of the Rapture, the Lord does not have to do what He has done four times before, but in a peculiar way it seems that He really could. That is, even though He said, ". . . in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh" (Matt. 24:44), very few people are thinking about the Seven Feasts in this connection. The Jews certainly have got the feasts mixed up, omitting First Fruits and calling Trumpets "New Year's Day." The church has not been seriously studying the Old Testament and is barely aware of the significance of the Biblical feasts and their prophetic schedule. Thus, as I've said before, the Lord can do what He has done four times before and fool almost everybody! Now, where does this leave us in regard to the doctrine of imminency? That doctrine holds that the Lord can come at any moment, and correct Christianity holds that nothing needs to happen before the Rapture. It is "at hand" in theological terms. Won't my saying that it may occur on the Feast of Trumpets run counter to the doctrine of imminency? After all, we
Re: [CTRL] What the corporate press isn't telling youabouttheIndonesianMilitias
-Caveat Lector- And again you are emminently qualified to judge dumbness, I can tell...you a Doctor of Dumb? Sounds like it...good thing this country wasn't started by people like you or we would all be singing Hail The Queen. Do you not have anything worthwhile to say? Or do you sit on your perch and twitter occasionally, calling it communication? Your statements show your level of input needs increasing and badly. BG Nurev Ind Research wrote: -Caveat Lector- 9/8/99 When all you have is a hammer (and no brain), everything starts looking like a nail. Bill wrote: -Caveat Lector- I think they are trying to create dread and loathing against the word "Militia". This is the dumbest thing I've herd yet. American " patriots " don't have a monopoly on the word militia. Most militias are just a bunch of violent assholes. The Indonesian Militias are patriots too. Joshua2 Lucio Benedetto wrote: -Caveat Lector- The Nation ran this story in May. Why is the mainstream press acting so amazed that the militias are now behaving as they are? Why are they so reluctant to state that these acts of terrror are planned and abetted by the Indonesian military and the hapless Indonesian regime? Could it be the fact that the U.S. backed, trained, and financed the Indonesian military? That the U.S. tacitly recognized Indonesia's right to invade and annex East Timor? That it was, in fact, the U.S. that helped create Indonesia's brutal police state in 1965, going so far as to provide the Suharto regime with the names of 30,000 "suspects," most of whom were later disappeared? Once again American "truth, justice, and the American way" is unleashed upon an innocent populous. And once again the American people are deceived and distracted by their own press. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [Fwd: [CTRL] Fw: CTRL: Excerpt:Formal Charges Against the Fed byLouisMcfadden1933]
-Caveat Lector- Bill wrote: From the document at http://www.luxefaire.com/newpage8.htm ...notice the anti-semitic remark by Pelleys Weeklythis type of sensationalistic writing was all the rage back then, and at the time of this report Hearst was in his heyday accusing blacks of smoking the evil marijuana and raping white women and all thatfor that time period this is actually a very laid back form of anti-semitism, predating WW2its possible its just how the media of that time referred to the international money lenders who were, by and large, of semitic persuasion, and had familys in banking dating back centuriesbg "Pelley's Weekly" of Oct. 14 said: Now that this sterling American patriot has made the Passing, it can be revealed that not long after his public utterance against the encroaching powers of Judah, it became known among his intimates that he had suffered two attacks against his life. The first attack came in the form of two revolver shots fired at him from ambush as he was alighting from a cab in front of one of the Capital hotels. Fortunately both shots missed him, the bullets burying themselves in the structure of the cab. "He became violently ill after partaking of food at a political banquet at Washington. His life was only saved from what was subsequently announced as a poisoning by the presence of a physician friend at the banquet, who at once procured a stomach pump and subjected the Congressman to emergency treatment." /s/ Robert Edward Edmondson (Publicist-Economist) President Andrew Jackson stated in reference to the bankers at the state of his administration: "You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the Eternal God, I will rout you out." day wrote: -Caveat Lector- Isn't McFadden the guy who was poisoned at a political dinner and died? D On May 23, 1933, Congressman, Louis T. McFadden, brought formal charges against the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve Bank system, The Comptroller of the Currency and the Secretary of United States Treasury for numerous criminal acts, including but not limited to, CONSPIRACY, FRAUD, UNLAWFUL CONVERSION, AND TREASON. The petition for Articles of Impeachment was thereafter referred to the Judiciary Committee and has YET TO BE ACTED ON World Enslavement Planned "Mr. Chairman, when the Fed was passed, the people of these United States did not perceive that a world system was being set up here which would make the savings of the American school teacher available to a narcotic-drug vendor in Acapulco. They did not perceive that these United States was to be lowered to the position of a coolie country which has nothing but raw material and heart, that Russia was destined to supply the man power and that this country was to supply the financial power to an"international superstate". A superstate controlled by international bankers, and international industrialists acting together to enslave the world for their own pleasure? "The people of these United States are being greatly wronged. They have been driven from their employment's. They have been dispossessed from their homes. They have been evicted from their rented quarters. They have lost their children. They have been left to suffer and die for lack of shelter, food, clothing and medicine. "The wealth of these United States and the working capital have been taken away from them and has either been locked in the vaults of certain banks and the great corporations or exported to foreign countries for the benefit of the foreign customers of these banks and corporations. So far as the people of the United States are concerned, the cupboard is bare. "It is true that the warehouses and coal yards and grain elevators are full, but these are padlocked, and the great banks and corporations hold the keys. "The sack of these United States by the Fed is the greatest crime in history. "Mr. Chairman, a serious situation confronts the House of Representatives today. We are trustees of the people and the rights of the people are being taken away from them. Through the Fed the people are losing the rights
[CTRL] [Fwd: [Fwd: [CTRL] Pseudoenvironmentalist War Against People of America]]
-Caveat Lector- Bill wrote: Ah yes but as you yourself pointed out, no matter how many informed there are, even if there are stadiums full, the mass uninformed flock of sheople far far outweigh the relative few who give a shit. I was talking about govt anyway. ARPA was a tool of government to restrict public use of public lands, and to circumvent warrant searches, as well as making the people at large seem responsible(Through ultracoercive TV-KILL IT) or at the very least restricting them from being curious...the establishment blew it there though, because as to curiousity people make cats look dull...I know from whence I speak on this...all this was the moving force behind my registering as a green. Your message about voter awareness is true but most are mistaken as to the magnitude of the event, especially today, that it takes to get people together...the currency ought to crash here real soon though, its another thing the fascist pigs blew all to hell, and they have made several fatal errors that will preclude their survival, but don't expect it to be pretty.bg Sean McDougal wrote: -Caveat Lector- Original Message Follows From: Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] our avocation was more than threatened by certain actions of the administration whereby public use of public lands was being radically restrictedthey were blatantly sloughing the blame for environmental problems off on the people, versus where it should go, corporation and dirty industry == i have been involved with hundreds of environmental groups and those that would blame the camper over the corporate polluter are a miniscule minority. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
