Re: [CTRL] Mormon...Mason...What's The Dif'???

2001-06-19 Thread Aleisha Saba
-Caveat Lector- Nobody is perfect, Steve. My halo light had dimmed a bit, but my horns were sawed off when I was a little girl. Saba A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic

Re: [CTRL] Mormon...Mason...What's The Dif'???

2001-06-19 Thread Steve Wingate
-Caveat Lector- On 19 Jun 01, at 2:21, Aleisha Saba wrote: At the time I kept remembering this Mormon family I knew, and liked, who were John Birch and hoarded wheat and honey.who told me the state of Israel would be blown to hell and back by 5 countries, etc. John Birch and his latter

[CTRL] Captain John Birch

2001-06-19 Thread BB
-Caveat Lector- Steve Wingate wrote: John Birch and his latter day followers, were alarmists, IMHO. Captain John Birch was on active duty in the U. S. Army, when murdered by the Red Chinese in 1945, 13 years before the founding of the society which bears his name. Captain John Birch was never

Re: [CTRL] Mormon...Mason...What's The Dif'???

2001-06-19 Thread Aleisha Saba
-Caveat Lector- This is what I thought Steve re CIA - to join is one thing, but to infiltrate is another. Things change though. Saba A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic

Re: [CTRL] The Truth About Black Slavery And The Confederate Flag

2001-06-19 Thread Nessie
-Caveat Lector- Slavery was first and foremost an economic institution. If you really want to understand what it was all about, you have to analyze the economics of the trade. By far and away, the best book on the economics of slavery is Capitalism Slavery by Eric Eustace Williams, ISBN

Re: [CTRL] Captain John Birch

2001-06-19 Thread Steve Wingate
-Caveat Lector- Just to be clear, I never stated that John Birch was a member of the John Birch Society. But I think he might have been an extremist patriot, not that that is a bad thing to be (Extremism in the virtue of freedom is not a dead horse, or some such progress. Please update me on

Re: [CTRL] Face on Mars, West

2001-06-19 Thread Steve Wingate
-Caveat Lector- On 19 Jun 01, at 1:21, Aleisha Saba wrote: Yes Steve I see your face in what appears to be a pile of your own dung. You have a good imagination. But when I see something resembling your face I bury it quickly for fear of retribution from God. I love you Saba as much as I love

Re: [CTRL] Captain John Birch

2001-06-19 Thread BB
-Caveat Lector- Just to be clear, I never said you did. I was making a point that you made an error saying John Birch and his latter day followers, were alarmists, IMHO. He was never an alarmist, since he was never part of the movement whose followers you say were alarmists. He was never an

[CTRL] FW:Body Counts by Paul Krassner

2001-06-19 Thread Nessie
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: ...geminiwalker Sent: Mon 6/18/2001 5:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject:[CIA-DRUGS] Body Counts by Paul Krassner This is an unedited version of my op-ed piece due to be published by the L.A. Times, most likely on Monday:

Re: [CTRL] SETI and E.T.

2001-06-19 Thread John Miller
-Caveat Lector- SETI - Looking for E.T. But first I went 'back to school' so to speak, to find some information that I had forgotten or had never learnt or understood. So hydrogen is the lightest and most abundant element making up about 90% of the Universe. Hydrogen in the form of water (H2O)

[CTRL] Catholic sports league reveals fear of unknown

2001-06-19 Thread Peat
(Funny, these kids from the "bad neighborhoods" should be just as scared about going to the suburbs where the likes of Columbine seem to be more likely to occur...just my two cents...} Catholic sports league reveals fear of unknownBY NEIL STEINBERG SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST`Wait here," the

[CTRL] Ruby Ridge figure discusses McVeigh

2001-06-19 Thread Peat
It's a tragedy that he losthis wife so senslessly, however, he must also be thinking about what started that whole mess, which was his involvement in breaking a law at at time when the government was "Militia Crazy". I don't know the circumstances, but it seems to me that these types of

[CTRL] Federal judge makes world safer, sends elderly nuns to jail

2001-06-19 Thread Peat
(at least these vicious criminals are off the streets for awhile...) Federal judge makes world safer, sends elderly nuns to jail SF GATEStephanie Salter Thursday, June 14, 2001IT MIGHT be fine and dandy with some of you that the government of the United States has thrown the book at an

[CTRL] Toys Are Made for Tinkering

2001-06-19 Thread Peat
(one theory...) Toys Are Made for TinkeringThe best toys encourage rule-breaking.WIRED News LinkgasmAn Online Review of News, Views, Issues AmusementsGet great links. Feel better.Homepage Address: www.geocities.com/peatluke/newsblog.htmlZine Page Address:

Re: [CTRL] Religion The Brain

2001-06-19 Thread Foxter
Right, plus the spiritual realm is on a different plane of experience than the mental or emotional. There's no reason the spiritual realm can't exist parallel with the nonspiritual, which it does. - Original Message - From: tenebroust To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

Re: [CTRL] The Truth About Black Slavery And The Confederate Flag (fwd)

2001-06-19 Thread Yardbird
In a message dated 6/18/01 6:16:51 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If there wasn't a market for slaves amongst the European powers, there wouldn't have been a slave trade of the scope it grew to become... I don't know about that. The Arabs did a thriving business in

[CTRL] Forgive Me, Dot-Com Father, for I Have Sinned

2001-06-19 Thread Peat
It's all about convenience...we can buy a car online, buy our favorite books online, groceries, toys, clothes...and now we can get forgiveness online...soon, we may never need to interact with another human--if we so choose--again. Although, I still don't know how to fill my car with gas

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: BIOWARFARE AGAINST CROPS The Cuban example

2001-06-19 Thread YnrChyldzWyld
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Aleisha Saba wrote: This informationo here, I wonder about - but noted he does mention this weather modificatioan program used in Cuba - cloud seeding, but then we did that over 100 years ago for I believe we used a little more advanced program than doing

Re: [CTRL] Mormon...Mason...What's The Dif'???

2001-06-19 Thread YnrChyldzWyld
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Aleisha Saba wrote: The only thing I do not like about them is this: They wrote me once to say I descended from Demons and Satan I suddenly have a much higher opinion of the Mormons June Check out the nonstop beachparty at Alternative Kite Summer

Re: [CTRL] Mormon...Mason...What's The Dif'???

2001-06-19 Thread YnrChyldzWyld
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Aleisha Saba wrote: Now Edward Fitzgerald translated the Rubyait of Omar Kayamm.Gerald of Og married the Persian Princess nesta, whose father was King Nestor - it is recorded in records that one of the three wise men was ancestor of Nesta/Nestor. A!

Re: [CTRL] Israeli breaches of the cease-fire for June 17th and 18th (fwd)

2001-06-19 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 06/18/2001 5:12:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Qalqilya District: An Israeli settler ran over 81 year-old Ahmed Ali with his car, instantly killing him. Ramallah District: 1.. Israeli settlers burned tens of dunams of planted

Re: [CTRL] America declares 'war' on America

2001-06-19 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn
-Caveat Lector- Thank you for a fine, thoughtful posting. Prudy A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid

Re: [CTRL] Federal judge makes world safer, sends elderly nuns to jail

2001-06-19 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn
-Caveat Lector- Yes of course. It does the heart good to know that these nuns will be in jail and not interfering while the U.S. teaches more effective methods of torture to our friends in Central and South America. Let's hear it for the judiciary. By the way, I thought that U.S. military

Re: [CTRL] Anarchists and leftists battle Bilderbergers

2001-06-19 Thread flw
-Caveat Lector- Nothing new here Nessie. The Right is all talk and no action unless you consider blowing up inocent civilians and children in Oklahoma. They are full of shit. J2 Hmm. What is the Right? What is the Left.? When it comes to killing, it appears the Statist Left has

Re: [CTRL] Russians thrash their drug takers to stop addiction

2001-06-19 Thread kl
-Caveat Lector- On Sunday, 17 Jun 2001 19:01:49 -0700 Schmidt quacked: Hell, I'd pay to be allowed to adminiser this 'therapy' to drug addicts. Almost as good as the idea of 'shooting galleries' which have been proposed in various Australian locations the last couple of years. I'm all in favour

[CTRL] FC: Legal update: Toiletcam decision, cybersquatting, Jailcam (fwd)

2001-06-19 Thread Yardbird
-Caveat Lector- Also see some articles about the JailCam: http://www.arizonarepublic.com/arizona/articles/0525jailcam25.html Rights group sues Arpaio over jail camera / 2001-05-25 http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2001/06/18/webcam_privacy/index.html Nowhere left to hide / 2001-06-18

[CTRL] an Israeli fairy tale

2001-06-19 Thread Yardbird
-Caveat Lector- Easing the Siege - an Israeli fairy tale LAW Society Press Release, 19 June 2001 http://www.lawsociety.org/Press/Preleases/2001/June/Jun19.html Sharon and his government's claim to have eased the tight military siege over the Palestinian territories is entirely inaccurate, as

[CTRL] FC: China imprisons man for insulting Communist Party on Net (fwd)

2001-06-19 Thread Yardbird
-Caveat Lector- [Permanent link: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/ap/20010618/wl/china_online_dissent_2.html --DBM] *** Subject: Chinese man arrested for posting messages Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 17:34:22 -0500 From: Andy Ringsmuth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [CTRL] The Truth About Black Slavery And The Confederate Flag

2001-06-19 Thread flw
-Caveat Lector- Slavery was first and foremost an economic institution. If you really want to understand what it was all about, you have to analyze the economics of the trade. That slavery was based on economics is self evident. It ever was so, for 1000's of years. However to claim the buyer

[CTRL] Lifting the Veil of Propaganda (fwd)

2001-06-19 Thread Yardbird
-Caveat Lector- The Taliban and Women: Lifting the Veil of Propaganda http://www.albalagh.net/current_affairs/taliban_women.shtml [Edited version of a Taliban report acquired by Jamiat ul Ulema, South Africa.] Posted: 26 Rabi-ul-Awwal 1422, 18 June 2001 The treatment of women in Afghanistan

Re: [CTRL] SETI - ET II

2001-06-19 Thread John Miller
-Caveat Lector- SETI – ET 2 In the “continuing mission” of hunt the label, “to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and civilizations and label them,” I decided to consider a Sci-Fi starships fuel capacity of antimatter of 3,000 cubic metres. And this is stored in various pods (see

[CTRL] Lockerbie was an impossible verdict (fwd)

2001-06-19 Thread Yardbird
-Caveat Lector- Lockerbie was an impossible verdict http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4206312,00.html The conviction left a disturbing list of unanswered questions Richard Norton-Taylor Guardian Tuesday June 19, 2001 On January 31, after an eight-month trial, three Scottish

[CTRL] Americans Blamed in Colombia Attack

2001-06-19 Thread radman
-Caveat Lector- Published on Friday, June 15, 2001 in the San Francisco Chronicle Americans Blamed in Colombia Attack by Karl Penhaul, Chronicle Foreign Service San Francisco Chronicle BOGOTA -- Three American civilian airmen providing airborne security for a U.S. oil company coordinated an

[CTRL] Naval officer warns of attack

2001-06-19 Thread Bill Richer
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Naval officer warns of attack Daly says nuclear sub, carrier bases vulnerable -- -- By Toby Westerman © 2001

[CTRL] Yemen Arrests Nine in Plot Against U.S.

2001-06-19 Thread Bill Richer
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Yemen Arrests Nine in Plot Against U.S. NewsMax.com Wires Tuesday, June 19, 2001 WASHINGTON -- Authorities in Yemen have arrested nine suspected terrorists for allegedly plotting an attack against

Re: [CTRL] Lockerbie was an impossible verdict (fwd)

2001-06-19 Thread Nurev Ind.
-Caveat Lector- Yardbird wrote: -Caveat Lector- Lockerbie was an impossible verdict Lockerbie was a cover-up for US foreign policy. It diverted the guilt from the perpetrators - The Palestinian PFLP-GC, and their partners, Syrian intelligence, and shifted it to the Libyans. J2

Re: [CTRL] The Truth About Black Slavery And The Confederate Flag

2001-06-19 Thread Nurev Ind.
-Caveat Lector- flw wrote: -Caveat Lector- Slavery was first and foremost an economic institution. If you really want to understand what it was all about, you have to analyze the economics of the trade. That slavery was based on economics is self evident. It ever was so, for 1000's of

Re: [CTRL] Anarchists and leftists battle Bilderbergers

2001-06-19 Thread Nurev Ind.
-Caveat Lector- flw wrote: -Caveat Lector- Nothing new here Nessie. The Right is all talk and no action unless you consider blowing up inocent civilians and children in Oklahoma. They are full of shit. J2 Hmm. What is the Right? What is the Left.? When it comes to

Re: [CTRL] Religion The Brain

2001-06-19 Thread Nurev Ind.
-Caveat Lector- Right, plus the spiritual realm is on a different plane of experience than the mental or emotional. There's no reason the spiritual realm can't exist parallel with the nonspiritual, which it does. There's no such thing as spiritual. And you can't demonstrate that there is. All

[CTRL] Taiwan Test-firing U.S. Missiles

2001-06-19 Thread Bill Richer
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Taiwan Test-firing U.S. Missiles NewsMax.com Wires Tuesday, June 19, 2001 TAIPEI, Taiwan -- Taiwan will test-fire U.S.-made Patriot missiles on Wednesday as China conducts major war games across the

[CTRL] SNET: Ground Zero = U.N. Headquarters! (fwd)

2001-06-19 Thread William Bacon
-Caveat Lector- visit my web site at http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon My ICQ# is 79071904 for a precise list of the powers of the Federal Government linkto: http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon/Enumerated.html -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 20:26:21 -0700 From: [EMAIL

[CTRL] SNET: [Fwd: Do you recognize these tactics?] (fwd)

2001-06-19 Thread William Bacon
-Caveat Lector- visit my web site at http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon My ICQ# is 79071904 for a precise list of the powers of the Federal Government linkto: http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon/Enumerated.html -- Forwarded message -- Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 08:07:50 -0400 From: [EMAIL

[CTRL] NYT: Roger Clinton Again Is Focus of Allegations

2001-06-19 Thread MIKE SPITZER
-Caveat Lector- http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/17/national/17CLIN.html?ex=994046400amp;en= 8c0ea8c89b2fe541amp;ei=5004amp;partner=NETZERO June 17, 2001 Roger Clinton Again Is Focus of Allegations By ALISON LEIGH COWAN The New York Times On the morning of Aug. 10, 1998, a Texas entrepreneur

Re: [CTRL] The Truth About Black Slavery And The Confederate Flag

2001-06-19 Thread YnrChyldzWyld
From: flw However to claim the buyer was more economically motivated thenthe seller is essentially racist..." Those dumb African Darky slave dealers...outslicked by those crafty white European slave buyers".If there wasn't a market, the slave dealers

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: GOP News Views - June 18, 2001

2001-06-19 Thread Schmidt
-Caveat Lector- Nice idea here - get rid of football..53 kids died in football accidents which outnumbered the kids slaughtered at Littleton. Then get the basketball..organized sports has gone the way of organized crime.and you can tell when the fix is in too. At least I can. Saba

Re: [CTRL] Religion The Brain

2001-06-19 Thread tenebroust
-Caveat Lector- I'd have to agree that there is no way that such a thing as numinous experience can be proven objectively, but would also agree that if it does exist (and I don't rule it out completely) it would exist alongside of the non-spiritual world, for it would have to. On Tue, 19

Re: [CTRL] Religion The Brain

2001-06-19 Thread tenebroust
-Caveat Lector- If there is a spiritual realm it cannot be proven objectively but must always remain a subjective experience. If it does exist (and it may) then it must exist simultaneously with the NON-spiritual. On Tue, 19 June 2001, Foxter wrote: !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD

Re: [CTRL] The Truth About Black Slavery And The Confederate Flag (fwd)

2001-06-19 Thread tenebroust
-Caveat Lector- I think the pendulum of talk about slavery swings to easily back and forth between black and non-black races. It would be better perhaps to focus on the institution itself, whereas it is the exploitation of people and the denial of human rights and values. Who is being

Re: [CTRL] Ruby Ridge figure discusses McVeigh

2001-06-19 Thread tenebroust
-Caveat Lector- To be sure, nothing happens in a vacuum. He is responsible for his actions but that does not negate the responsibility of LAW ENFORCEMENT officers to obey the intent and purpose of the laws they are supposed to enforce. If anything they should be held to a higher standard of

[CTRL] Fwd: GOP News Views - June 20, 2001

2001-06-19 Thread Aleisha Saba
More on Sodomites vs. the Boy Scouts and little Cub Scouts in their little beanies...note the list and organizations who want to push this element on these innocent children. It is bad enough our parks are no longer safe and restrooms have become meeting place for perverts - now is time

[CTRL] SJMN: Boxer has stock in energy firms

2001-06-19 Thread MIKE SPITZER
-Caveat Lector- The San Jose Mercury News Friday, June 15, 2001 WASHINGTON Boxer has stock in energy firms An annual report of California Sen. Barbara Boxer's finances released Thursday shows that she and her husband own shares in two energy companies that are key players in California's

[CTRL] Fwd: The Year In Pot [Free Republic]

2001-06-19 Thread Aleisha Saba
This article is shocking - Mayor Guiliano's track record in New York is atrocious - note the arrests for marijuana under March - note the woman born with no arms and legs no doubt due to this horrible drug which was banned - put into a prison for having possession of pot? The police are making

[CTRL] WSJ: As Honeywell Deal Goes Awry For GE, Fallout May Be Global

2001-06-19 Thread MIKE SPITZER
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Ray Heizer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 11:05 PM Subject: WSJ: As Honeywell Deal Goes Awry For GE, Fallout May Be Global If their deal dies, it would mark the first time that European regulators have killed a merger

[CTRL] WSJ: More Lawmakers Used Access to IPOs To Make Quick Profits, Filings Show

2001-06-19 Thread MIKE SPITZER
-Caveat Lector- [Those fricking pricks! --MS] http://interactive.wsj.com June 15, 2001 Politics Policy More Lawmakers Used Access to IPOs To Make Quick Profits, Filings Show By TOM HAMBURGER and KATE KELLY Staff