From: "John Hurst.", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why do my chickens thrash about when I have severed the spine? They
thrash their wings for up to a minute, with considerable force, despite
the complete severance of the spine.
Steve,
Good point. Looking about it from th
From: "John Hurst.", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hunters put the screws to a bird called the Passenger Pigeon. It went
extinct about 1900. I remember reading about it as a youth in disbelief. I
thought surely it couldn't have been hunters it must have been habitat loss.
Being a hunter I h
From: John Howat, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Is there anyone out there who has done the basic work to
produce a CofF* for (a) Practical Pistol Shooting and (b)
UIT (ISSF) 25m shooting??
Here in New Zealand this information is now reqired to prove
the safety of military ranges if they are to be used
From: "John Hurst.", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Now you see _this_ is what Section 5(1)(b) of the Firearms Act 1968
was intended for. ;)
Steve,
I take your rhetorical point but the debates on the Firearms Act
of 1920 which the '68 Act amends refereed to "deathless
From: "John Hurst.", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
As we all know, the body does the last thing the brain
told it to do e.g. the decapitated Chicken that runs away
headless - the last command the body received.
Nah, the chicken thrashes because his CNS has been severed, its a reflex
actio
From: "John Hurst.", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The London Telegraph
European army and political union were planned by Nazis
By Michael Smith, Defence Correspondent
http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/et?ac=000111676745840rtmo=weQ50Mebatmo=9
999
pg=/et/01/2/15/nkew15.html
THE idea of a pa
From: "John Hurst.", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Saxon is not like the Norman.
His manners are not so polite.
But he never means anything serious
till he talks about justice and right.
When he stands like an ox in the furrow
with his sullen set eyes on your own,
And grumbles, &
From: "John Hurst.", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Security is mostly a superstition. Avoiding danger is no safer
in the long run than outright exposure. Life is either a daring
adventure or nothing." - Helen Keller
Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org
From: "John Hurst.", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: "John Hurst.", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(a usually reliable source)
March 18th 2001 - Mark That Day
So are you going on the Countryside March on March 18th? Are you quite
certain you are? One of the 150,000 already registered, perhaps? Well it
must be all right then.
From: "Frazer, John", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Needless to say the anglers are going about it all wrong. Arguing that
fish don't feel pain isn't going to cut it with anyone. If that were the
standard then it would be OK by PETA to shoot a deer with a tranquilizer dart,
then give i
From: "John Hurst.", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fears over moves to extend powers of military police
Special report: policing crime
Martin Bright, home affairs correspondent
Sunday February 4, 2001
The Observer
The Ministry of Defence police force is to be transformed in
From: "John Hurst.", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Evening Standard London 31/1/01
Yard summit as gun gang crime reaches peak in London new
by JUSTIN DAVENPORT
THE SCALE of gun violence between feuding black drug gangs in London
has reached crisis levels with one shooting repo
From: John Howat/Wellington Sporting Arms Co Ltd, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The question of one shooting organisation has been discussed before and
much as the idea appears attractive, I fear that it would not work
because of a large variety of interests and, especially, because
From: "John Hurst.", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What utter cobblers. My wife, a school teacher, comes home most nights
to recount this sort of "I know what I can get away with, and what
you've got to do" behaviour by pre-teenage urchins who deserve nothing
more than
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ananova, 30/01/01
Mock-up posters showing a man lying in a pool of blood with a revolver
by
his side has gone on display in London as part of a campaign aimed at
stopping gun crime.
---SNIP 8 -
Hey, I know what they should do to stop
From: "John Kime", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Steve, and Cybershooters,
Further details of the Mattersey R P C .22 Steel
Challenge.
Round count will be 450 ish. Yes, I've been busy
rehashing tweaking various courses of fire.
To gauge response on the day, a range has been
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This is incredible:
A man who was mistakenly arrested and charged with possessing a firearm
which turned out to be a cordless drill has been awarded compensation.
Mel Sealy, 50, was paid an undisclosed sum in an out-of-court settlement
after he successfully
From: "John Hurst.", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Telegrpah ISSUE 2063Wednesday 17 January 2001
Hunting Bill 'risks constitutional clash' By Charles Clover, Environment
Editor
THE Government's attempt to push the Hunting Bill into law using the
Parliament Act
From: "John Hurst.", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Sun TUESDAY, 23 JANUARY, 2001
Who do you think you are kidding, Little Hitler?
Get a life ... hunt
protesters should mind their own business THERE'S a brilliant wartime
propaganda film called Went The Day Well, based on a Gra
with
or
intend so to do, like' Handguns; Hunting with Hounds; Trial by Jury;
The Right to Silence.'
I thought it was the Tories that did away with the 'Right to Silence'
and changed the wording of your 'rights'.??
John.
--
yup.
Steve.
Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What are the chances that when we all attend the March in March,
that we will all be videoed, that video used against us upon
application/renewal as proof of unsuitability to hold a SGC/FAC???
EW
--
However, under the data protection act, you are
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The "Rifleman" TV series was first.
Both John Wayne Commemorative (gold engraved) and regular production
blue models have been produced by Winchester.
Don't have data handy as to years/production runs.
John Rickards
Fairfax, VA
Cybershooters web
From: "John Kime", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Wonder if I could prevail on your good nature to put this
out to the List ?
Mattersey R P C (near Retford, Nottinghamshire, UK) will
be holding the following competitions during 2001 :
the Tenth Annual Mattersey 10 Event Open and the
From: "John Hurst.", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This quote is from the 1953 presentation to George C. Marshall and
includes this
Marshall quote by a member of the Committee,
"'There has long been an effort to outlaw war for exactly the same
reason
that man has outlawed murd
From: "John Hurst.", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Finally, A registration scheme that makes sense
SENSIBLE GUN REGISTRATION VERMONT
Source: America 1st Freedom magazine
Published: Jan 2001
Vermont State Rep. Fred Maslack has read the Second
Amendment to the U.S. Constituti
From: "John Hurst.", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No 10 rebukes Hoey in gun row
The Guardian.
Sarah Hall political correspondent
Thursday January 4, 2001
Downing Street last night slapped down the outspoken sports minister Kate
Hoey after she attacked the ban on handguns introd
From: "John Hurst.", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Hey, I realise it is all semantics, but I can make a pretty good argument
that all rights, especially human rights, ARE _property_ rights. My rights
start with the absolute and unequivocal ownership of my own body. I am my
own pro
From: "John blot", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[snip]
My use of wadding goes back a long way and was centered
around preventing the detonation of small charges of
very fast burning powders.
[snip]
That is very interesting, John, but my understanding of the internal
ballistics is that it i
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For the Police Federation to now claim that they were the first to demand
the banning of handguns is a gross falsehood.
Perhaps the police officers on our list would like to contact the
Federation and ask why it is reduced to telling lies
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I've always thought this poll is completely meaningless because it
is a poll of a sample of all police officers. If they did a poll
purely of patrol officers who patrol high-crime urban areas I
suspect the results would be very differe
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yes but as you say the statute law has been differently
interpreted in recent years. With reference cases by
way of 'stated cases' taking preference over the Bill
of Rights, etc.
Unless there can be a well documented case where it is
de
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Allow me this: My perception from the past
discussions is that IG understands that the current law
is indeed in violation of the top law, but because he
has sworn an oath to uphold 'the' law, that he is not
at liberty to either ignore or condemn
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It really is most difficult to see any connection between this type of
argument and the real world. Are you really saying that the will of the
people today cannot overturn an agreement made three hundred years ago by
two groups of aritocrat
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.sierratimes.com/dantre.htm
Gun Rights: Power to the People
by Jeff Dantre' Posted 11.30.00
Why don't the politicians want us to own weapons? What are the politicians
afraid of? That we're all going to kill each other? I don'
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: How to make black powder
This is for historical purposes only. I am NOT advising you to
manufacture black powder nor do I take any responsibility for any
damage that might occur to you, others, various property, sheep,
goats, federal
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The European Police Force - A New Threat To Britons
Lindsay Jenkins
A few years ago the idea of an EU police force would have been laughable.
And even more laughable would have been the suggestion that the British
police would take their o
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Page 75 quotes the case of Bowles v. Bank of England confirms that the Bill
of Rights remains an operative statute BTW. Page 10 contains the following
passage;
... cannot the 1920's set of restraints be challenged as
well on the grounds that th
From: John Howat, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Trentham Rifle Range shut down permanently.
Wellington New Zealand
The Evening Post
Friday 1st December 2000.
HANK SCHOUTEN, Defence reporter
Trentham Rifle Range has been shut down permanently.
The closure of the country's most famous shooting range
From: "John Daragon", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I said :
These things are *directly*
the result of proscription and absolutely *nothing* to do either with the
pharmacological affect of the drugs nor of the rave culture.
That no-one in mainstream politics or the Civil Service appears
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Doesnt alter my own opinion that there are some people who should not be
allowed near to any form of weapon, even though they have not been
convicted
of any offence.
IG,
Quite so. The Firearms Act of 1920 and subsequent amending legisl
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I think it is erroneous to argue that no controls existed prior
to 1920, because people ignore the Defence of the Realm regulations
in force during the Great War. The prospect of those controls
being lifted is what led to the Firearms Act 19
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"It should be noted a person who remains on his own property may with
impunity go around positively festooned with weapons. If he has a firearm
he
would need the appropriate certificate. His house may be a veritable
arsenal. He wil
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If you lawfully hold a firearm for, say, shooting deer, there is absolutely
nothing wrong in using it for self defence in the home PROVIDED that:
It is the minimum force required in the circumstances.
It is proportional to the perception of
From: John Howat, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Wellington 28th November 2000.
All shooting has been suspended on the historic Trentham
Range complex near Wellington New Zealand. Although the
suspension is due to come into effect on 1st December it is
essentially effective from today
From: "John Daragon", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I said :
We didn't have this trouble when Laudanum
was available over the pharmacy counter, and we didn't have it for
just two reasons : purity of supply and administration, and the lack
of pushers with a vested interest both in (arbitrar
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You can have any weapon you like in
your own home for self-defence (except a firearm),
even switchblades and martial arts weapons as they
are only prohibited in public.
Steve,
Firearms for self defence in the home are lawful as the
From: "John Daragon", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
but instead of
using their intelligence to get a real job they are addicted
to heroin so they steal cars and live from day to day.
and
And it's not because drugs are artificially
expensive because they're banned either, heroin is quite
i
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
""The difference between American Football and what you call Football is
that the violence is on the field in U.S. Football. American football
players are armored so the don't get badly injured. It doesn't always
help. Are Rugby players as big as American Football
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"" The reason why decriminalising cannabis is nonsensical is
because it will just give drug dealers cover. If cannabis
is decriminalised it needs to be legalised and available
over the counter at any corner shop, that is the only
way to get drug dealers out of the
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The law does not restrict self defence as being a "good reason",
Home Office Guidance does. Home Office Guidance even points out
that the police _should_ not issue certificates for that purpose,
it does not say they can't. A small
fight the drugs war with everything you have. You have our full support.
Yours gratefully
International Organised Crime Inc.
--
I totally agree with you John, there are so many people in Walsall
who have gotten onto heroin the way you describe that it is
exceptionally hard for anyone to convince
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What constitutes law abiding?
Someone never convicted or someone never caught?
"E.J. Totty"
Your comment above, IG, either demonstrates
your mind set, or the manner in which UK cops think
of their fellow citizens.
In my book, if yo
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'd like to think this would be taken in the manner intended...:-)
J.
NOTICE OF REVOCATION OF INDEPENDENCE
To the citizens of the United States of America, In the light of your
failure to elect a President of the USA and thus to govern yourselves,
we hereby give
From: "John Kime", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Recently, on recommendation from 'the list' I acquired a copy
of Unintended Consequences by John Ross via Amazon.
Suffice to say I found it a cracking read, I wonder if any of
the big Hollyweird studios will ever have the cojones to make
i
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was "Ronin", an excellent movie with an Audi S8 involved in the car
chases. Absolutely superb, with loads of designer violence too:-)
Sean Bean playing a dweeb for a change!
J.
Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org
List admin: [EMAIL
From: John Howat/Wellington Sporting Arms Co Ltd
QUEEN WRINGS BIRD'S NECK
Outrage as she strangles pheasant
THIS is the moment that will shock every animal-lover in Britain.
The bloody peasants want to remember that the pheasants are bred specifically for
shooting. If there were
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"All persons in whose possession any firearms may hereafter be
found, will be deemed enemies to his majesty's government."
--Gen. Gage
For the list, would you mind giving the attribute to
that quote, and perhaps a researc
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The real cause of the American Revolution:
"All persons in whose possession any firearms may hereafter be
found, will be deemed enemies to his majesty's government."
--Gen. Gage
Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The police do not have a right of entry, they have to have
a warrant (except under some very limited circumstances).
Steve,
I like the following quote about this;
"I now deal with a species of law known as the common
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Washington Hunting Laws"
1. Any person with a valid Washington State hunting license may
harvest attorneys.
2. Taking of attorneys with traps or deadfalls is permitted. The use
of currency as bait is prohibited.
3.
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ATF RIPS OFF ANOTHER ARIZONA GUN DEALER!
* Confiscates 274 guns and 3,000 Form 4473's
* No official arrest, no charges filed
by Angel Shamaya
Director, KeepAndBearArms.com
November 1, 2000
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/newsarchives/XcNewsPl
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
( Jackboot Johnny is the Australian gun banning Prime Minister- John Howard)
MARTIN ESSENBERG
Lot 7 Runnymede Estate Rd
Nanango, 4615
(07) 41-632-423 (ah)
e-mail- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gun web-site- http://www.geocities.com/marsiegen/index.html
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
By David Davis.
The raid on Spain by the British navy in 1587 was, specifically, to burn,
ruin, trash and or
otherwise destroy all barrels and barrel-staves that could be found in
the territories of Spain, which would be used for the purposes
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Note: The important part of the article below is " Home Office
officials believe that the "new agenda for reform" will
include plans for a national police force".
A national detective group and national intelligence u
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BLAIR AS HITLER - Watch the UK die along with
democracy.
http://www.the-times.co.uk/news/pages/tim/99/02/09/x-
Copyright 1998 Times Newspapers Ltd
Tuesday February 9 1999
Third Way, or Reich?
THE advent of new Labour has produced a ste
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Forty-two years ago, in 1958, a collection of essays by a Brit, Aldous
Huxley, was published under the name 'Brave New World Revisited'.
A short, verbatim excerpt consisting of 6 sentences from his
concluding chapter is below:
"
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Perhaps more interesting is that exactly such a scenario was detailed in the
writings of Jeff Cooper in his book "To Ride, Shoot Straight, and Speak the
Truth." It's in a chapter called "The Rimfire in Riot Control". Read
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Those who tremble at the idea of personal weapons -- 'hoplophobes' is
the diagnostic term -- are fond of saying that guns are made for only one
purpose. Well, gun control serves only one purpose, too -- the
incapacitation and extermi
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
That said, allow me the thought that any cop -- regardless of the
nation which s/he happens to be serving in -- should always be of the
mind
that s/he is a target of opportunity
E.J.
Too blooming right. There are only two threat le
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Land Warrior gives platoon big advantage in field test
By Matthew Cox
FORT POLK, La. - Land Warrior has passed its first major field test,
officials say, proving the complex computer system can give infantrymen the
home-field adva
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yes many laws are bans. But there is an important distinction to be
made, between the banning of objects and the banning of actions. IMO the
banning of actions (e.g. murder, theft, fraud) is most morally sound.
The banning of objects is less so
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"The lawgiver, of all beings, most owes the law
allegiance. He of all men should behave as though the
law compelled him. But it is the universal weakness of
mankind that what we are given to administer, we
presently imagine we own
From: John Howat/Wellington Sporting Arms Co Ltd, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You wrote:-
"The sound of shotgun shooting at a distance of say, 300m,
would be negligible compared to what a lot of urban dwellers
have to put up with. Especially if it is only one or two shooters!"
Having ha
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I wonder if anyone could help me on this subject. We wish to
set up a mini rifle range at our home office approved club in
order to host a few more shoots for non FAC holders.
David,
The NSRA were most helpful when one of my
clu
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(From 'Monty Python')
"We would like to apologize for the way in which politicians are
represented in this presentation. It was never our intention to imply
that politicians are weak-kneed political time servers who are concerned
more with
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A bit heavy on the coppers, or rather a bit light on
shooting reps. I count nine in law enforcement, six
from shooting backgrounds.
Steve,
True, and a majority are undoubtedly Crown
servants, with an obligation to respect the common
From: John Howat, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Every once in a while someone comes up with a great idea to
promote firearm users. The NZ Deerstalkers Association
unveiled such an idea last week. It is a line of text they
will use to sign off on some of their publications and it
goes like this.
"Hu
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
So can this senior officer be charged with "malfeasance in
public office" then?
Steve,
Yes, if the PC's who were witnesses come forward. And then the
problems which I described in an earlier posting apply. Their only de
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Colorado TRT takes on Anti Defamation League
Activism/Chapters Announcement
Source: Tyranny Response Team/Colorado chapter
Posted on 08/23/2000 17:50:39 PDT by labgrade
On 6/21 the Colorado Chapter of the Tyranny Response Team had ~150-200
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I presume that you are all aware of 'civil forfeiture'?
E.J.,
It is back, firstly in drug cases and now it is available to the
Courts for other offences too. As you no doubt know it breaches Chapter 29
of Magna Carta and Article 12 o
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
But you are not being deprived of anything (depending on your
interpretation) if you apply for an FAC and get turned down.
Steve,
A person who applies for an FAC for self defence in Northern
Ireland and is refused without suffic
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Steve - this subject is not as off-topic as some might think, since the
process of covering our road network with cameras has parallels with
firearms
legislation. As with the latter, people-control by speed camera has a
curious
history, unstat
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Too many people live in the ethereal make-believe world
where violence isn't suppose to exist.
E.J.,
True, but we are not alone in knowing the truth. The author of this
piece is with us, for example;
"The power of productivity is
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"No retrospective legislation" does that mean that those in possesion of
handguns at the time of the ban could keep them and that the ban only
applied to future aquisitions?
Dave,
This common law rule is known as "gra
ant signal.
John.
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From: John Howat, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nelson Mail (New Zealand) 3rd September 2000
TAKING THE GLORY OUT OF GUNS by Karen Clark
Gun battles are definitely out but controlled culling of
possums is allowed, within certain guidelines, by licensed
children at Nelson's Tahunanui Kindergarten
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Only lethal gases banned? No it isn't! All gases are banned if my memory of
my university degree serves me all right.
Hence Section 5(1)(b) of the 1968 Act, I assume.
Steve,
The debates on the Firearms Act of 1920 mention &quo
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Should it be a more direct failure to uphold the law, say a
police officer deliberately standing aside to allow an assault
then they could also be charged as an accessory even though
they took no active part. In such an example their failure
to
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Say IG knew that tomorrow he had to go and help inventory
a pile of seized cigarettes in some town or other, and he
didn't want to do it because he objects to cigarette taxes.
So he stays in bed and doesn't show up for work.
Wh
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"A government resting on the minority is an aristocracy, not a Republic, and
could not be safe with a numerical and physical force against it, without a
standing army, an enslaved press and a disarmed populace."
-- James Madison, T
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
There is a fifty year gap in which the idea of employing "people of high
intellect" was replaced by some sort of sandwich course? What happened?
Robert,
Conspiracy theory has it that Soviet "agents of influence"
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
As for the police leading a military parade thats usually
for traffice control not to show their pre-emienence over
the military.
Jerry,
That is not the only reason IIRC. Formed
bodies of troops with fixed bayonets may not enter a
t
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its
victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to
live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral
busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes
sleep, his cupid
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