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Re: citizens can be named as enemy combatants

2003-01-09 Thread Ken Brown
Michael Cardenas wrote: I think you're overreacting a bit. The actual case involves someone who was in a foriegn country for years, and was in the war zone at the time he was fighting the US. Hey, I'm not a USAan and I don't even live there. But I think I know your Constitution well enough

Re: citizens can be named as enemy combatants

2003-01-09 Thread Duncan Frissell
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Tim May wrote: Fuck the U.S. Fuck it dead. Do it soon. This is one of the rulings which completes the shredding of the Constitution. Every member of that Court should be killed for their crimes against the Constitution. It's a good thing he was captured by the Feds

Re: citizens can be named as enemy combatants

2003-01-09 Thread Tyler Durden
Someone, somewhere, has to decide whether this man's service in a foreign army is naughty enough to lose him his constitutional rights. First of all, I don't even think that depriving someone of their constitutional rights is the major issue in this case. On a very simplistic level (apparently

Re: citizens can be named as enemy combatants (shredding the Constitution)

2003-01-09 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 10:11 AM 1/9/03 -0500, Duncan Frissell wrote: All Al-Quida combatants in the US should definitely wear their uniforms so they can get off on a technicality if captured. I wonder what an Al-Quida uniform looks like? Yeah, the British had the same problem with the north-american colonial

Re: Pigs Kill Family Pet

2003-01-09 Thread Miles Fidelman
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Re: Pigs Kill Family Pet

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Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary

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Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary

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2003-01-09 Thread Tyler Durden
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2003-01-09 Thread Trei, Peter
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Re: Indo European Origins

2003-01-09 Thread Steve Mynott
On Thursday, Jan 9, 2003, at 20:32 Europe/London, Tyler Durden wrote: Steve wrote... I would imagine so since ironically the Aryans came from what is now Northern India and Iran up to about 1000BC. The word is even derived from Sanskrit. Read the Rig Veda and break out the soma (if you

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2003-01-09 Thread Michael Cardenas
What was the bit length of the rsa key that they factored? On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 10:25:51AM -0800, Eric Cordian wrote: http://www.vnunet.com/News/1137916 The Neo Project began at the start of this year to try to crack Microsoft's private RSA-576 key by using a distributed computing

Re: citizens can be named as enemy combatants

2003-01-09 Thread Bill Stewart
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Re: citizens can be named as enemy combatants

2003-01-09 Thread lcs Mixmaster Remailer
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003 20:35:36 -0800, you wrote: I think you're overreacting a bit. The actual case involves someone who was in a foriegn country for years, and was in the war zone at the time he was fighting the US. The ruling says that he was squarely in teh war zone and discusses the issue

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Re: No Ex Post Facto Laws, No Easy Loss of Citizenship

2003-01-09 Thread lcs Mixmaster Remailer
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Re: Indo European Origins

2003-01-09 Thread Meyer Wolfsheim
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Re: citizens can be named as enemy combatants

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Re: citizens can be named as enemy combatants

2003-01-09 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 11:11:26PM -0600, Wes Hellman wrote: Since terrorists are the enemy, and they (obviously) operate within our borders to do harm, it's not a terrible stretch to think that it won't be long before a US citizen who's actually here in the states could be designated an enemy

Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary

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Re: citizens can be named as enemy combatants

2003-01-09 Thread Declan McCullagh
Here's a December ruling favorable to the gvt in the Padilla case: http://www.cnn.com/2002/LAW/12/04/padilla.ruling/index.html Note this has not been affirmed by an appeals court (yet). -Declan On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 11:25:42PM -0600, Wes Hellman wrote: Oh, it seems that I've missed the fact

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Re: Indo European Origins

2003-01-09 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 03:32 PM 1/9/03 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: Soma? Despite the fact that I've read large chunks of the Rig Vedas, I don't remember anything called Soma (unless this is a Brave New World Reference). Of course, the Bhagavad Gita is a subsection of the Mahabaratabut I don't imagine this is what

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Re: Pigs Kill Family Pet

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Re: Cypherpunk fashions for the New Ashcroft Era (Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary)

2003-01-09 Thread Bill Stewart
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2003-01-09 Thread Jim Choate
On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Anonymous wrote: Sam Ritchie sneered: Hmmm, is someone a wittle upset over a certain recent textual reprimand? No need for petty schoolyard insults, May. What happened to the new year's resolution you made? ~S Am I just imagining it, or is there a definite

Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary

2003-01-09 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 1:10 PM -0800 on 1/8/03, Tim May wrote: As cameras become more ubiquitous, more folks may convert to Islam and take up the wearing of the abaya/abiyeh and the male equivalents. Or Jainism? Well, *one* kind, anyway. :-). Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL

Re: citizens can be named as enemy combatants

2003-01-09 Thread Wes Hellman
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2003-01-09 Thread Tim May
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Re: citizens can be named as enemy combatants

2003-01-09 Thread Wes Hellman
Well, I don't know that it's as bad as he was making it out to be, but I wouldn't say that it's as cheery as you seem to think it is, either. While that case in particular seems very obvious, it sets a dangerous precedent. Also note the wording: A federal appeals court Wednesday ruled

Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary

2003-01-09 Thread Steve Schear
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2003-01-09 Thread Jim Choate
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2003-01-09 Thread Jim Choate
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2003-01-09 Thread Tim May
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Re: citizens can be named as enemy combatants

2003-01-09 Thread Steve Furlong
On Wednesday 08 January 2003 23:35, Michael Cardenas wrote: I think you're overreacting a bit. The actual case involves someone who was in a foriegn country for years, and was in the war zone at the time he was fighting the US. The ruling says that he was squarely in teh war zone and

Re: citizens can be named as enemy combatants

2003-01-09 Thread Duncan Frissell
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Tim May wrote: Fuck the U.S. Fuck it dead. Do it soon. This is one of the rulings which completes the shredding of the Constitution. Every member of that Court should be killed for their crimes against the Constitution. It's a good thing he was captured by the Feds

Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary

2003-01-09 Thread A.Melon
SIgh. Although I read May's Crypto Anarchy piece and liked it, I am slowly coming to the conclusion that he's just another dimwitted fascist who by accident had a few interesting ideas. You're Guilty for Not Doing Your Homework. Mr. May's views on sick, disabled, niggers and women are

Pigs Kill Family Pet

2003-01-09 Thread Eric Cordian
Pigs think they are untouchable in the post-9-11 enviromnent. Many pigs need to be killed. http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/01/08/police.kill.dog/index.html - COOKEVILLE, Tennessee (CNN) -- Police video released Wednesday showed a North Carolina family kneeling and handcuffed, who shrieked

RE: Pigs Kill Family Pet

2003-01-09 Thread Trei, Peter
Eric Cordian[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: Pigs think they are untouchable in the post-9-11 enviromnent. Many pigs need to be killed. http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/01/08/police.kill.dog/index.html - COOKEVILLE, Tennessee (CNN) -- Police video released Wednesday showed a

Re: citizens can be named as enemy combatants

2003-01-09 Thread Tyler Durden
Someone, somewhere, has to decide whether this man's service in a foreign army is naughty enough to lose him his constitutional rights. First of all, I don't even think that depriving someone of their constitutional rights is the major issue in this case. On a very simplistic level (apparently

Re: citizens can be named as enemy combatants

2003-01-09 Thread Steve Schear
At 08:35 PM 1/8/2003 -0800, Michael Cardenas wrote: I think you're overreacting a bit. The actual case involves someone who was in a foriegn country for years, and was in the war zone at the time he was fighting the US. The ruling says that he was squarely in teh war zone and discusses the issue

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2003-01-09 Thread Michael Cardenas
Anyone have any idea what the fuck this is? Is the post office subscribed to cypherpunks? - Forwarded message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] - X-Envelope-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ScanMail Message: To Sender, sensitive content found and action t

Re: No Ex Post Facto Laws, No Easy Loss of Citizenship

2003-01-09 Thread Michael Motyka
Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : First, even non-citizens have court rights now being denied to the concentration camp detainees. (Many of you reading this list are snip The Supreme Court should overrule the Appeals Court and say very simply: This man was and is a citizen. His presence

Re: citizens can be named as enemy combatants

2003-01-09 Thread Tim May
On Thursday, January 9, 2003, at 07:06 AM, Ken Brown wrote: Michael Cardenas wrote: I think you're overreacting a bit. The actual case involves someone who was in a foriegn country for years, and was in the war zone at the time he was fighting the US. Hey, I'm not a USAan and I don't even

Re: No Ex Post Facto Laws, No Easy Loss of Citizenship

2003-01-09 Thread Tim May
On Thursday, January 9, 2003, at 09:55 AM, Trei, Peter wrote: While I agree with most of Tim's post, it's not as hard to lose your US citizenship as he makes out. I grew up as a US expatriate in various European countries, including the age period when compulsory military service ... Of

RE: No Ex Post Facto Laws, No Easy Loss of Citizenship

2003-01-09 Thread Trei, Peter
Tim May[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: [...] Second, losing citizenship is not easy. Check Google on loss of citizenship to find precedents, laws, etc. Basically, even serving in a foreign army does not cause loss of citizenship. (Which is symmetric with how we want other

Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary

2003-01-09 Thread Bill Stewart
At 05:10 PM 01/08/2003 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: Tim May wrote... Cowboy hats are much more common in Cypherpunks Bay Aryan meetings And for that matter, what about cypherpunks of non-aryan descent? We've had some Branch Dravidian folks around as well I've usually been the one wearing

Re: citizens can be named as enemy combatants

2003-01-09 Thread lcs Mixmaster Remailer
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003 20:35:36 -0800, you wrote: I think you're overreacting a bit. The actual case involves someone who was in a foriegn country for years, and was in the war zone at the time he was fighting the US. The ruling says that he was squarely in teh war zone and discusses the issue

Re: [Fwd: ScanMail Message: To Sender, sensitive content found and action t aken.]

2003-01-09 Thread Sunder
It's trend antiv-virus/spam mail scanner. Some idiot at the patent office (what, you thought they'd hire anything other than idiots over there?) configured it to bounce certain words at a certain previous jobs it was decided that words such as shit fuck piss cunt twat dick cock motherfucker

Re: citizens can be named as enemy combatants

2003-01-09 Thread Bill Stewart
At 10:11 AM 01/09/2003 -0500, Duncan Frissell wrote: It's a good thing he was captured by the Feds instead of a militia or a Private Defense Force of some sort. Note that such forces are not required to accept surrenders and can simply kill enemy forces (and vice-versa of course). Private

Re: No Ex Post Facto Laws, No Easy Loss of Citizenship

2003-01-09 Thread lcs Mixmaster Remailer
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003 23:07:50 -0800, you wrote: This man was and is a citizen. His presence overseas did not cause him to lose his citizenship. If he faces charges, he faces them in a U.S. court with full access to lawyers, full habeas corpus rights, full rights to face his accusers, and

Re: Indo European Origins

2003-01-09 Thread Meyer Wolfsheim
On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Tyler Durden wrote: Soma? Despite the fact that I've read large chunks of the Rig Vedas, I don't remember anything called Soma (unless this is a Brave New World Reference). Of course, the Bhagavad Gita is a subsection of the Mahabaratabut I don't imagine this is what

Re: Indo European Origins

2003-01-09 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 03:32 PM 1/9/03 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: Soma? Despite the fact that I've read large chunks of the Rig Vedas, I don't remember anything called Soma (unless this is a Brave New World Reference). Of course, the Bhagavad Gita is a subsection of the Mahabaratabut I don't imagine this is what

Re: [Fwd: ScanMail Message: To Sender, sensitive content found and action t aken.]

2003-01-09 Thread Bill Stewart
The most likely explanation is that some subscriber to one of the cypherpunks lists is using an account on some machine at USPTO.GOV (which is the Patent and Trademark Office, not the Post Office), and their mail server not only has an antivirus filter but also a bad language filter. While I don't

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