Re: [Debconf-team] Update on sponsorship?

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

Hi,

On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 09:24:05PM -0200, Margarita Manterola wrote:
 On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 8:40 PM, Martín Ferrari
 martin.ferr...@gmail.com wrote:
  Last think I know, the money was already in Germany. So this would be
  M. Schultze?
 
 I think that the people who have asked were not in the Europe lot, and
 thus were not waiting for the transfer to Germany.

Any idea about money transfer to Brazil? There is a Debian account here since
Debconf4 managed by ASL.org, so sponsorship payments has been made in a
different way from other countries since then. Last time I talked to Brazilian
Debconf8 attendees they didn't have received news about that - including me :)

Any kind of info will helps us.

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[Debconf-team] Accessibility in DC9

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

Hi,

As pointed out in Debconf wikipage[0], accessibility is one of the 9
prioritary items for picking a Debconf venue. Although I don't agree it should
be the 9th item on that list, lets take this page as a little provocation
for this email.

[0] http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/PriorityList

First, how is the accessibility status on DC9? The only information I could
get was from Joerg's blog[1].

[1] http://blog.ganneff.de/blog/2008/11/28/ftpmaster-meeting-in-extremadu.html

Last DC we experienced some issues on this. As far as I know, it was a mix of
many things, which involved lack of communication, registration deadline
problems, delays on getting some local information etc. In order to not have
these kinds of problems in DC9, I would like to volunteer in this field this
year.

My proposal starts on penta. Like we have a food combobox (for regular,
vegan etc), we should have something similar for special needs*. For now I can
cite these ones (taken from wikipedia):

- special needs on mobility access
- special needs on hearing access
- special needs on sight access
- others

* I have no formal experience in this subject, so please be free to fix
any politically incorrect terms here, ok?

After having people registered, a group of volunteers, which can include
mainly local, but also remote helpers, would:

- agree to assist individually one or more attendee marked as needing help on
  penta
- ask them about their special needs
- interact with the local team / help them to get things done
- give feedback to the attendees (sending them pictures, measures etc)
- compile all this information in order to get a checklist for next DCs

Note that it's very important to give all the information as detailed as
possible for people with special needs. When people go to DC, as you know they
are usually far from their doctors in the case of emergencies, far from their
infrastructure, from their family etc. It's a pain when someone arrives and
realizes that s(he) will spend weeks in a place where (s)he will have
difficulty getting food, walking around, sleeping, hacking, going to the
bathroom, interacting with others and so on. That's why I believe we need a
small team dedicated to take care of these issues. It's very stressfull for
the regular local team people to be aware of all these details.

If there is no objection to this, I would ask someone that has worked on penta
to help me out. Also, I will try to organize the stuff in Debconf wiki and ask
for remote/local volunteers.

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[Debconf-team] Accessibility in DC9

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

Hi,

As pointed out in Debconf wikipage[0], accessibility is one of the 9 prioritary
items for picking a Debconf venue. Although I don't agree it should be the 9th
item on that list, lets take this page as a little provocation for this
email.

[0] http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/PriorityList

First, how is the accessibility status on DC9? The only information I could get
was from Joerg's blog[1].

[1] http://blog.ganneff.de/blog/2008/11/28/ftpmaster-meeting-in-extremadu.html

Last DC we experienced some issues on this. As far as I know, it was a mix of
many things, which involved lack of communication, registration deadline
problems, delays on getting some local information etc. In order to not have
these kinds of problems in DC9, I would like to volunteer in this field this
year.

My proposal starts on penta. Like we have a food combobox (for regular, vegan
etc), we should have something similar for special needs*. For now I can cite
these ones (taken from wikipedia):

- special needs on mobility access
- special needs on hearing access
- special needs on sight access
- others

* I have no formal experience in this subject, so please be free to fix
any politically incorrect terms here, ok?

After having people registered, a group of volunteers, which can include mainly
local, but also remote helpers, would:

- agree to assist individually one or more attendee marked as needing help on
  penta
- ask them about their special needs
- interact with the local team / help them to get things done
- give feedback to the attendees (sending them pictures, measures etc)
- compile all this information in order to get a checklist for next DCs

Note that it's very important to give all the information as detailed as
possible for people with special needs. When people go to DC, as you know they
are usually far from their doctors in the case of emergencies, far from their
infrastructure, from their family etc. It's a pain when someone arrives and
realizes that s(he) will spend weeks in a place where (s)he will have
difficulty getting food, walking around, sleeping, hacking, going to the
bathroom, interacting with others and so on. That's why I believe we need a
small team dedicated to take care of these issues. It's very stressfull for the
regular local team people to be aware of all these details.

If there is no objection to this, I would ask someone that has worked on penta
to help me out. Also, I will try to organize the stuff in Debconf wiki and ask
for remote/local volunteers.

Regards,

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Re: [Debconf-team] sponsorship allocation team request

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

Hi Steve,

On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 04:03:09PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
 On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 11:24:15PM +0200, Ana Guerrero wrote:
 [you are reading this again because i sent it firstl by mistake to the wrong
 list...]
 
 Doh! :-P
 
 Also, I think marga or gunnar, not sure now, proposed to fund only a percent 
 of the requested amount. And instead of start with the ordered list of
 people and fund so far as the money reaches, start funding a 20 % of all the
 people who were approved for sponsorship, then if we get more money, fund a
 30% and so on. Only making exceptions with people who really needs the 
 funding
 to attend.
 
 If we're getting to this stage, then something has gone wrong with the
 travel sponsorship already. People are expected (and told) to just
 list the amount they *must* have sponsorship for in order to be able
 to travel. Given that, offering 20% or 30% of that amount is not going
 to help.
 
 Do we believe that people are asking for more than they need?

The thing is it's not predictable at all. Many people work as freelancer so
they can't have a notion about their funds for next three months. In some cases
they are looking for a job. Other example is like ok, if I get 80% of the
expenses paid from DC, I'll be ok in not working 60h/week next month.
Otherwise, if I get only 40% I have to take that slave 60h/week job in order to
be able to attend. I guess these and other related cases are so common, not
exceptions.

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[Debconf-team] Accessibility checklist wikipage

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

Hi,

I've just finished a first draft of a checklist itended to help the orga team
with accessibility issues for this and future DCs.

http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf9/AccessibilityChecklist

Could Hector Oron and other people from local team please start filling it,
giving suggestions, fixing things etc? Some tech review from Otavio would be
great too. Actually any help is very welcome once my english is not good enough
to format a document like that by myself.

Also, people in charge of accessibility in DC9, please help me migrating the
already existing content from Accessibility to AccessibilityChecklist wikipage.

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[Debconf-team] Moving Debian redesign to Lower talkroom

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

Hey,

I've realized that the Debian redesign - Introduction of the new look
presentation is scheduled to 2009-07-29, 1pm in the BoF room. However, I can
see some reasons to move it to the Lower talk room:

1) Lower talk room is available that time;
2) I guess many people are going to attend and BoF room seems to be too small
(and hot) for that;
3) It's a presentation regarding a graphic design and BoF room has no projector;
4) I've talked to pixelgirl and she would appreciate a lot this effort;
5) Some people has asked to stream the proposal;

If there's no objection I'll put a sheet at the BoF room door with this advise
on 2009-07-29 and do my best to get enough video volunteers to stream it from
the Lower room.

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Re: [Debconf-team] Moving Debian redesign to Lower talkroom

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 11:47:03 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote
 On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 05:36:24PM -0200, Tiago Bortoletto Vaz wrote:
  I've realized that the Debian redesign - Introduction of the new look
  presentation is scheduled to 2009-07-29, 1pm in the BoF room. However, I can
  see some reasons to move it to the Lower talk room:
  ...
  If there's no objection I'll put a sheet at the BoF room door with this 
  advise
  on 2009-07-29 and do my best to get enough video volunteers to stream it 
  from
  the Lower room.
 
 Well, people why so much discussion instead of writing to 
 sched...@debconf.org?
 I admit there was such a mail but I was offline yesterday basically 
 because of daytrip and my slide show in the evening so I explicitely 
 asked others in the team to reschedule.  Because nothing happened 
 until now I just moved it now. It perfectly fits in our policy to 
 schedule 24 hours in advance.

Thanks. I was not aware of this policy :)
 
 Hope this issue is solved now
 
  Andreas.
 
 PS: What about the projector in this room.  We seemed to have failed 
 in solvingthe problem. :-(((

I guess there was not enough time to buy an affordable projector in Caceres.
Btw, people are complaining the (not really) portable air conditioner in the
lower room is too noisy. So it's turned off. What about moving it to the
always-30-degrees BoF room?

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[Debconf-team] DC10 sponsor team

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

Hi, I'd be happy to help there. I've got some experience from last year.

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[Debconf-team] No confirmation message?

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

Hey orga,

I didn't get any confirmation email from DC10, despite I've respected all
deadlines. I've just asked for regular food/acommodation. Could someone check
my status?

Thanks,

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Re: [Debconf-team] No confirmation message?

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

Hi Ana,

On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 14:48:08 +0200, Ana Guerrero wrote
 On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 08:45:28PM -0300, Tiago Bortoletto Vaz wrote:
  Hey orga,
  
  I didn't get any confirmation email from DC10, despite I've respected all
  deadlines. I've just asked for regular food/acommodation. Could someone 
  check
  my status?
 
 You were told you have sponsored accomodation in that lng personalized
 email you got asking you to reconfirm. 
 If you are asking about the food part that was not granted yet in 
 that email, we have pending send an update about it.

I didn't received the DebConf10: Sponsorship status email, which I noted
some people have got about 9/jun. The other you mentioned I received and it
contain information I was looking for. Sorry for the noise.

About food part I'm aware of the current efforts.

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Re: [Debconf-team] Information about wheelchair assistance, I need advice and volunteers

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

Hi Biella,

On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 13:59:07 -0400, Gabriella Coleman wrote
 Hi,
 
 I volunteered to find out when Otavio and his mom are arriving to New
 York, explore transportation options (which I have done but not finished
 and with huge help with Jeremy) and also volunteered to find folks to
 meet him there.
 
 So here is some information
 
 1) We cannot use the access ride service as he is arrives in Newark.
 2) He arrives at 6 AM on July 26th.
 3) We can have someone meet him with a car to take the luggage,
  which is apparently sizable, back to Columbia and we need another 
 person to assist with getting Octavio and mom to Columbia via public 
 transportation. 4) We can arrange a car service like Carmel but my 
 understanding--and here I am asking--is that Otavio would have to 
 pay for this (I have cced the global team to see how this was 
 financially handled in the past). I have not checked if he can 
 afford this nor how much it would cost but will soon [1].
 
 Otavio let me know that 1 extra person would not be enough to help with
 their luggage, which is why I am suggesting that we get a volunteer with
 a car or at least 2 volunteers there.
 
 Suggestions? Volunteers?

Tassia and I will be happy volunteering on this. We don`t have a car, but if 
public transportion works well there I think it`ll be ok for otavio (we have 
enjoyed large cities by bus in past DCs with him). Just check if the bus 
supports wheelchair users being able to travel seated in the wheelchair.

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Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf11 Plan and Program document

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 03:13:07PM +0100, Adnan Hodzic wrote:
 Hey,
 
 DebConf 11 local team did great job on translating Plan and Program
 document which we handed to Government on our last meeting with them.
 They did this in record time even though there was no deadline set up,
 therefor congrats team :)
 
 Reason this document was translated is so you can get acquainted with
 some of the ideas we have proposed to them, there's a lot room for
 change. After making list of our requests for Government on our
 meeting last night along this document, I think this makes us more
 then ready for next meeting with them on 22nd.
 
 You can find the document on:
 http://foolcontrol.org/dc11/DebConf11%20-%20Plan%20and%20Program.pdf

Thanks for translating.

But please, please, *please* don't do that:

5.4 The DayTrip

...Since DebConf is visited by many participants who are not physically capable
of such an event (such is rafting on Vrbas), too, we would organise a visit of
an etno-village for them.

If daytrip is kept as DC official event it should be accessible to all
atendees. Daytrip X for people who walk and daytrip Y for people who don't walk
is IMO a horrible idea, even worse for a project like Debian.

Regards and thanks again for all your work in DC11,

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Re: [Debconf-team] [Debconf-video] A beautiful page to watch Debconf10

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

Hi,

On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 08:55:36 +, Ben Hutchings wrote
 On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 08:53 +, Ben Hutchings wrote:
  On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 01:20 +, Moray Allan wrote:
   On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 1:51 AM, Valessio Brito
   cont...@valessiobrito.info wrote:
http://debianart.org/live/
   
   Can we get the older DebConf videos into this?  There are a lot of old
   videos that might still be interesting to people, but which are
   currently hard to find.

We decided to use a Debian channel in Miro Community:

http://debian.mirocommunity.org
 
  I passed the information for DebConf 5-10 to Valessio as a set of CSV
  files.
 
 Sorry, no, Tiago Vaz was handling the data.

I'm translating them to a proper RSS feed. I hope I have something ready next 
days.

Sample: http://tiagovaz.org/debconf10-final.xml
Result: http://debian.mirocommunity.org/category/debconf10

It would be nice to have penta automagically building such feed from DC11. 
Volunteers?

(let's keep this thread in debconf-video@l.d.o only)

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Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf11 Sponsorship Team

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Hi,

On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:00:21 +, Velimir Iveljic wrote
[...] 
 ps
 would it be ok to invite somebody outside of Debian to help us with this?
 just a suggestion, because i know a lot of ppl who are in this kind 
 of field and would probably be willing to help/give advice to us.
 

If by outside of Debian you mean someone who is not a DD, but a trusted part
of the community, I see no problem. I was invited to be part of sponsorship
team before becoming DD.

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[Debconf-team] DC10 final Report - first pdf for reviewing

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Hi Debconf people,

A first pdf version of the DC10 final report is available at:

http://tiagovaz.org/archive/FinalReport-DC10-20110318.1.pdf

We are aware of the following issues (so you don't need to report):

* some pictures credits and captions missing
* some end of paragraphs with ugly formating
* missing DC10 numbers (at the end - I'm working on this)
* some bad pictures resolution (it's just for reviewing versions)
* some personal impressions haven't been placed, but we will add the URLs for 
reference.
* budgeting section with no picture (Valessio is helping on this)

Please focus on:

* English fixes
* credits (important, please help!! We don't want to forget people here)
* talks/workshops lists (anything missing?)
* articles order
* who is leslo? (from credits page)

Suggestion regarding general editing/formating are welcome as well.

I hope we have the final version done this weekend.

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[Debconf-team] DC10 final report almost done, please review

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It's supposed to be all done, except for missing budgeting numbers (which we're
working on), so it's time to report/commit *any* issue you notice.

http://tiagovaz.org/archive/FinalReport-DC10-20110322.1.pdf

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Re: [Debconf-team] Proposed dates for DebConf12

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Hi Leandro,

On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 20:10:02 -0600, Leandro Gómez wrote
 Hi,
 
 As suggested in #-team, we made a wiki with proposed dates for DebConf12.
 You can find it over here:
 
 http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf12/Dates
 
 Based on the information we have, the local team proposes either 
 option A or B for DebConf12.

I haven't much to say, both options sounds good to me. However, I have a 
concern about scheduling Day Trip during local holidays, once relaxing places 
could get crowded and more expensive than on regular days (don't know if it 
works like that in Managua though).

Thanks for all details, the wikipage is very well organized.

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Re: [Debconf-team] Deadline for sponsors

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On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:39:10 +0200, Holger Levsen wrote
 On Dienstag, 26. April 2011, Marco Túlio Gontijo e Silva wrote:
  Is there a defined deadline for becoming a sponsor?  If not, it would be
  good to have one, because some things, like T-Shirts, bags, will be made
  at some point, and sponsors applying after the print would not be included
  in them.
 
 june 14th? /suggestion

Given that (1) we need to decide the travell sponsorship amount far before this 
date and (2) we'll get almost everything else paid by local govt, I think it's 
not too bad having a deadline set to ~1 month before the conference date, 
except for printing sponsor's logo stuff...

So, many words just to say I agree with Holger's suggestion :)

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Re: [Debconf-team] Extending registration period

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

On Thu, 05 May 2011 12:35:14 -0300, Marco Túlio Gontijo e Silva wrote
 Hi.
 
 Excerpts from Holger Levsen's message of Qui Mai 05 12:08:31 -0300 2011:
 (...)
  P.S.: for decision finding I'd suggest ACK mails or mails stating why this 
is
  a bad idea.
 
 I think extending the deadline for everything is a good idea.

As I said before, I think we shouldn't extend the deadline for travel 
sponsorship. Only food/accom, since these will be paid direclty by the govt so 
will not impact in DC11 budgeting.
 
 The most important argument I see against it is delaying the 
 information about who gets travel sponsorship, which means more 
 expensive tickets.  When do sponsored people know that they are 
 going to be sponsored usually?

I don't have past dates here, but my feeling is we're late this year, which 
would be one more reason to not extend travel sponsorship request dates.

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Re: [Debconf-team] Feasibility of having printed proceedings?

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Hi Gunnar,

Citando Gunnar Wolf gw...@gwolf.org:

[...]

Anyway, the plan is to edit the proceedings even if only in digital
form. But if we _do_ print them, we'd need clear deadlines, maximum
sizes (i.e. page count, page size, what kind of binding, etc.)


Perhaps too early to suggest, but... what about using SiSU for that?

http://www.sisudoc.org/sisu/SiSU/examples.html

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Re: [Debconf-team] propostal web watch debconf11 with html5

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On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 08:58:17AM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
 On 12478 March 1977, Adnan Hodzic wrote:
  +10!
  http://valessiobrito.info/tmp/dc11/webwatch/
  I'm loving it, could just add Twitter besides Chat on IRC or before
  Identi.ca? I think once completed we should add this on main page
  below the menu and above from Latest News.
 
 Independent of how the design looks, just let me shoot a mis-conception
 / very bad idea:
 
 It is fine if people use facebook/twitter/flickr/youtube/whatever to
 promote DebConf. If it is clear they are doing it on their own, it is
 NOT DebConf (or Debian) doing it.
 
 But our website should NOT ever include a non-free service. Either there
 is a free one, then link/use that, or DebConf provides its own. One of
 the two. If none works, then leave a feature out of the website.
 
 (That also includes any kind of JS or whatever which might be
 included. Either we legally can distribute it, or we should not have it)
 
 Sorry, but we are a free conference, promoting free and open - not
 closed-source stuff.

Joerg++

Fully agreed.

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Re: [Debconf-team] propostal web watch debconf11 with html5

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

Hi,

On Thu, 12 May 2011 15:30:36 -0300, ValessioBrito vales...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Ok. I upgraded to propst, please test and see if you agree. Comments
and improvements are welcome.

I remove feed rss on Twitter and TAB facebook..

new url:  http://valessiobrito.info/tmp/dc11/webwatch-nojs/


Thanks, it's getting acceptable now :)

Please remove twitter from #DebConf11 on identi.ca and twitter

Regarding cgiirc, I suggest we keep it and give a chance to a 
posteriori moderation approach.


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Re: [Debconf-team] [Debconf-discuss] Ho Ho Ho

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

Citando Daniel Kahn Gillmor d...@fifthhorseman.net:


On 06/09/2011 12:58 PM, Adnan Hodzic wrote:

If doesn't make your day I don't know what will.

Our gold sponsor Mtel has decided to give *every* DebConf11 attendee a
phone number and package along with it! I got too excited so I'm not
sure I got it right but I think this is the package they mentioned:
http://www.mtel.ba/menu/2265

Comments? :)


Sorry, i don't really understand phone marketing, but i couldn't make
head or tails of that page (other than that the models looked very
excited to be not-talking to each other).

Is it saying that each attendee will get a mobile phone running an
all-free software stack?

Lest this post be 100% snark, let me be more concrete:

 a) not every participant in debconf uses a mobile telephone

 b) mobile telephony at the moment enjoys an extremely tenuous (if not
adversarial) relationship with the principles of free software (e.g. at
least in the US, i have yet to see a functional, fully-free phone, for
reasons i'm ill-equipped to explain).

 c) if debconf actively encourages the adoption of non-free tools, or
actively excludes users who do not adopt non-free tools, it would seem
to distance the conference from our mutually-held social contract.

I would love to be wrong about (b) above.


As I see they will provide a SIM card with a bunch of credits for DC11  
people. Is that too bad? I think it's a good news for DC attendees and  
doesn't deserve complaints :)


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Re: [Debconf-team] [Debconf-discuss] Ho Ho Ho

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Citando Martin Wuertele mar...@wuertele.net:


Hi Daniel!

* Daniel Kahn Gillmor d...@fifthhorseman.net [2011-06-09 19:40]:


Is that what is being offered?  I actually don't understand what is
being offered, so it would be good to get that clarified.  Are these SIM
cards that will work with any handset?  Will they work with mobile
modems known to work with Debian so participants can have untethered
internet access without a non-free handset?  If so, then i agree that
the offer sounds much more welcome.


So you don't understand what the offeres but feel the need to rant about
before finding out.

Very mature


He already apologize, twice and quickly. Sure, it's very mature. So please
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Re: [Debconf-team] Google in Banja Luka

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Hi Adnan,

On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:27:33 +0200, Adnan Hodzic wrote
 For awhile Minister and I thought it would be great if we could have
 Google in Banja Luka what this would mean is to have a lecture
 that's going to talk why Google uses Linux/Debian etc ... This
 lecture would be held on Debian Day and Minister and I believe it
 would get local companies attention and reverse technique to get
 people interested in what's Debian as everybody know's what Google is.
 
 I found couple of interested Debian people that are Googlers and 
 would do this talk, however both of them asked what the sponsorship options
 are. We would give them free accommodation/food, but since Debian is
 covering the travel reimbursement I was wondering what your stance is
 on this one?
 
 They are not asking to be paid for their lecture, just wondering what
 the sponsorship options are as they are obviously late for sponsored
 registration.
 
 One of the question that comes up is why are we supposed to pay 
 their attendance fees, they are Google employees!
 
 It wasn't Google that said we want those guys there to promote our
 technologies, it is us that need their help, btw they would ask
 absence from their position during their visit.
 
 There are two interested people for this talk/lecture: Guido Trotter
 and Jesus Climent
 
 Guido would be able to stay until Tuesday (26th) while Jesus would be
 able to stay throughout the conference. Is Debian willing/able to
 sponsor travel for either of these?
 
 Let me know what you think,

I think that talk has a low level of relevance for Debian, so I´m not in favor
of making an exception and spending extra money on it. However, if it is
really important for political purposes a and/or for local community, we may
try to find someone from Google who is already registered to DC11 and contact
s/he/them... That´s my opinion.

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Re: [Debconf-team] I did not get any email regarding sponsorship

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:02:57 +0200, Ana Guerrero wrote
 Hi!
 
 Somebody else from the team already informed me about my status, but 
 I haven't gotten any email regarding travel sponsorship.

same here :\

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Re: [Debconf-team] Google in Banja Luka

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On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 11:02:51 +0200, Adnan Hodzic wrote
 Thank you for those who showed support to have one such lecture, as I
 find it to be absolutely necessary and that we will only have gain
 from one such event.
 
   Regarding travel I think our budget allows
  500€, but this needs checking for actual numbers in the budget.
 
 Holger, Please check this number for me, I just sent them an email
 that we will sponsor their accommodation/food + travel and told them
 to register.
 
 Besides everything, I think Guido and Jesus are doing us a favor by
 doing this talk and not charging for the talk but just asking for the
 sponsorship options. AFAIK both of them are DD's and have been
 attending DebConf's while Jesus has even organized one in Helsinki
 (DebConf5).

Adnan, could you give us a reason to sponsor two speakers for one brief talk?

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Re: [Debconf-team] Google in Banja Luka

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On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 02:34:55 +0100, Moray Allan wrote
 On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Moray Allan mo...@sermisy.org wrote:
  Though as long as the travel sponsorship is capped for the total of
  both at €500, I suppose it doesn't cause us a huge problem, even if I
  don't understand why we would need two people, who hadn't planned to
  come otherwise, for one short talk
 
 To rephrase this again:
 
 - The rooms are not a big problem, as the government is paying for them.
 
 - We agreed to give €500 travel sponsorship to this talk, even though
 normally we wouldn't sponsor people coming to advertise their company
 to us, and wouldn't go round the back of the travel sponsorship team
 to do this.  We have *not* agreed to give two people €500 each, so if
 two are coming for this talk then they need to split the €500 between
 them.

That was agreed in the last orga team meeting. So, closed.

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Re: [Debconf-team] [Debconf11-localteam] DebConf11 TV Ad?

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On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 17:59:30 +0100, Philip Hands wrote
 On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 15:29:14 +0200, Adnan Hodzic 
 ad...@foolcontrol.org wrote:
  The way I thought about this ad was, to have list of cities where it
  was held so far, then couple of keywords, linux? open source? debian?
  google? and then date when DebConf wil be held and where.
 
 Only a suggestion from someone who knows little about advertising, 
 but ...
 
 How about we rearrange the content on the http://debconf.org/ page,
  so that DebianDay is first and most prominent, with the date and location
 emphasised, and then make sure that that if only one thing from the 
 Ad make any impact, it's that URL, or at least the phrase Debian Conference

+1

Preferably having a fancy agenda of Debian Day at
http://debconf11.debconf.org/debianday.xhtml before advertising :) I can
prepare it as soon as we have DDay talks scheduled in penta.

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Re: [Debconf-team] [Debconf11-localteam] DebConf11 TV Ad?

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On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 18:20:45 -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote
 Adnan Hodzic dijo [Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 11:28:51PM +0200]:
   google?
  
   google?  really?  if i had 10 seconds to explain anything about debian
   and/or debconf, i can't imagine how Google would take up any of it.
  
  We're having a talk on Debian Day Debian in the enterprise. A Google
  case study that's by two Google employees. Which will be more then
  important to also mention in our ad as we're using reverse approach to
  advertise Debian here. No one knows what Debian is, but they all know
  what Google is, and if we can tell something about Debian through
  Google then even better.
 
 Yes, but Google is not the focus of it - It just gives an example on
 how Debian can be a great choice. Just as HP does — and I didn't 
 see you suggesting using HP in the ad. Or the Srpska government 
 even.

Gunnar, please don't try to use logic to understand political-hype-stuff :)

As Adnan says, everybody knows Google, and some people believe it's good to
Debian to piggyback on Google's brand here. I just want to point that we can
run into legal issues by using dont be evils name in TV advertising without
permission.

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[Debconf-team] Daytrip (again)

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Hi all,

I feel like being very annoying on this subject, but it's hard to believe that
we have another regression related to accessibility needs in official Debconf
events.

Moray, sorry if I misunderstood your message[0], but it seems you're proposing
that Debconf supports rafting in daytrip, even after the team's agreement in
the meeting on Monday 25 April that it wouldn't happen at all[1]:

* day trip
  - Again, with no concrete proposals, we can't say or decide much.
  - Emphasis on having just one trip, not two, and having it be
accessible.

Full meeting log has details[2].

[0] http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20110630.223416.3116f056.en.html
[1] http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20110430.041852.627f0c17.en.html
[2] 
http://meetbot.debian.net/debconf-team/2011/debconf-team.2011-04-25-19.02.log.html#l-215

So please, we're more than 6 months[3] trying to close this issue. We have even
agreed more than once about it and now we're running the risk of starting from
scratch again.

I know you've pointed your propoposals as starting point for discussion, so I
ask you and the localteam to consider what we've agreed before.

[3] http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20101113.191050.0996583f.en.html

I'm not aware of the current options and I appreciate your efforts on this.
Regarding rafting and other inaccessible trips I suggest you to leave such
options as personal entertainment in a day other than daytrip, not officially
supported by Debconf, although you could use DC wiki and the local agency for
arranging whatever you/they want.

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Re: [Debconf-team] [Debconf11-localteam] Daytrip (again)

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On Fri, 1 Jul 2011 16:13:46 +0100, Moray Allan wrote
 On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Tiago Bortoletto Vaz 
 ti...@debian.org wrote:
  Moray, sorry if I misunderstood your message[0], but it seems you're 
proposing
  that Debconf supports rafting in daytrip, even after the team's agreement 
in
  the meeting on Monday 25 April that it wouldn't happen at all[1]:
 
 I personally have no interest in the rafting, and would be quite 
 happy to see it forgotten altogether.  'My' proposal was simply 
 trying to make concrete what the local team have proposed so that we 
 can discuss it.  I have in fact spent a lot of time online over the 
 last months, and while I was in Banja Luka, explaining why the 
 rafting was not appropriate as the point of the main day trip, etc.
 
 But I *don't* think that it is universally discrimination against
 wheelchair-users to allow some other people to do something that they
 can't.  Or should we also ban all use of projectors/slides in the
 talks, as our blind attendees cannot see them?

I didn't say that. I'm limiting this matter on having Debian/Debconf 
officially supporting non-accessible events. People do whatever they want. 
However, Debconf sponsoring/supporting what they want is a completely 
different thing. And that's my point. In Mexico people suggested taking the 
*official* group photo into the swimming pool. I was not against people 
enjoying the swimming pool, but it's non-sense having this official scheduled 
event made in such a place, even knowing some attendees would be automatically 
kicked out from the photo.
 
 To be clear, if you read what I wrote, you would see that this
 proposal was based around a great majority of people *not* going
 rafting, but allowing a few people who wanted go rafting to do so.
 The local team's proposed place for the day trip lunch overlooks the
 rafting course, so this doesn't require separating people.

I read that. Reading again, I'm still not convinced that it's a good idea for 
Daytrip having:

* People doing rafting
* People sit and chat around rafting place and watch the rafting people by 
choice
* People sit and chat around rafting place and watch the rafting people by *no 
choice*

My energy for this debate ends here. I'm not able to be clearer than I'm 
trying to be.

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Re: [Debconf-team] [Debconf11-localteam] Internet connection

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On Sat, 9 Jul 2011 15:53:53 +0200, Adnan Hodzic wrote
  getting the uplink set up doesnt mean cabling all the rooms in banksy dvor -
  this is done during debcamp.
 
  getting the uplink set up means having a single point somewhere in banksy 
  dvor
  - where we than can later attach our network hardware to.
 
 Ah, it's only getting uplink you're talking about. I thought it was
 doing the cabling and everything.
 
  when was the last time you spoke with sarnet about this? are you sure they
  know they should set up the link this monday?
 
 No I haven't, no they don't have idea about this as I already
 mentioned I didn't have time to contact them earlier. When was Monday
 picked as day this needs to be set up?

Not only set up, but also tested.

Upstream network link should be set up and tested 1 week before DebCamp.
http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf11/Moray/ToDo

It was agreed and I can't count how many times you have been warned about that.

Do you think the ISP will be available in the same day you request them to
perform the link installation/testing? Should we ask for another volunteer for
this once you don't have time to do so many things? Could you help finding
someone else?

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Re: [Debconf-team] debianday - schedule registration

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On Sat, 9 Jul 2011 21:01:18 +0200, Velimir Iveljic wrote
[...]
 Hi,
 
 so as we all talked about on IRC, we will take peoples info at the
 front desk on Debian Day, so no registration (i have also checked 
 this with DIVA who said they talked to the presidents office and it 
 was ok since he has his own security team).
 
 The website has been updated to link to the schedule, i'll make a map
 of the rooms as soon as i get plans from Banski Dvor and link that
 too.

Thanks Velimir, also for finishing last bits of Debian Day schedule :)

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[Debconf-team] Changing hotel (or) room

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

Hi,

I have an annoying allergy to warm temperature which makes me get rhinitis, so 
the Bosna rooms with no air conditioning, given the current temperature will 
put me in bad situation here. I've tried to explain and change it in the 
reception but got a very aggressive response from the guy when trying to 
communicate in English.

So, I need some advise about changing room or hotel. If DebConf can't manage 
that I'll pay by myself, then I appreciate any hint about hotels around.

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Re: [Debconf-team] Special sponsorship

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On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 10:05:29AM +0200, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote:
 Hi!
 
 Am 20.07.2011 09:12, schrieb Daniel Kahn Gillmor:
 
  People are denied travel sponsorship every year.  This year, it
  included a very active Debian community member, Clint Adams.  I am
  further disappointed in this decision as Clint was key to DebConf10.
  I don't think Clint should be left out like this. 
  I share your disappointment.  Clint is a dedicated and long-standing
  member of the community and an active contributor to the project.  He
  deserves travel sponsorship more than many of us who were granted it
  (myself included).
 
 Having been a member of this years travel sponsorship committee, I'd
 like to comment on this.
 
 The sponsorship team always faces the problem, that we only have a
 limited amount of money. So some people have always and will always get
 no sponsorship.  And the only way to minimize disappointment and
 frustration is to try your best to be fair, which in this case means to
 stick to some principles and treat everyone equal.
 
 We all know that Clint is quite active, and it wasn't an easy decision
 for us, too.  In the sponsorship form we don't ask for much information,
 but Clint didn't provided even the minimum of information needed to make
 the decision. Having handled him special because of the work he has done
 in the past, would have been unfair to all those, who took their time
 and provided the informations we asked for.  Handled him special would
 also cause even more frustration, because if we just throw away the
 principles we set, it is just unfair treatment, favoritism, etc. or in
 other words:  All the stuff we try to prevent by having a large travel
 sponsorship committee, trying to follow some rules to a fair decissions
 for everyone.
 
 So with all due respect for the work Clint has done, I think the
 committee did the right thing.
 
 
  So my question: Will DebConf authorize this transaction?  
  I don't think i have any authority to answer this question either way,
 
 Neither can I, but that's a question independent of Clint being
 excluded on a technicality or to be more precise:  Him being rated down.
 

Yes, this is a hard decision for sponsorship team and given the situation (=
DIVA issues) it becomes even harder to make exceptions this year. So I think
darst came up with a very nice solution by proposing that people who knows him
(his work) give some contribution (and not Debian directly), friendly
respecting team's decision.

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Re: [Debconf-team] News about CW

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Hi Christian,

On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 05:30:21PM -0600, Christian PERRIER wrote:
 This afternoon, I went again to CIPRES, the place where we'll be
 holding the Cheese  Wine party this year. Thank you to Linda
 forcoming there with me and translate the discussion with the lady who
 is in charge of the place.
 
 Really, the place is perfectly fit for CW. It will IMHO easily fit
 the attendees (even if *everybody* attends), has several square tables
 (white plastic : therefore simple to handle) as well as a fait amount
 of chairs.

Thanks for taking care of CW again :)

 It even has a small corner with a couch and a table that will be
 perfect for Mao play..:-)
 
 Linda and I also discussed with Jim, our caterer. What we agreed about
 is the consequence of decisions taken during the team meeting today:
 
 - the CW will *not* replace Monday's meal
 - we will  slightly shorten that meal from 7 to 8
 - Jim will prepare easy to transport meals that we'll be able to
 transport to CIPRES. This way we'll have the option to have extra food
 there 
 - Jim  will take care of ordering and getting bread (there might be an
 extra cost for thisprobably to be discussed again with him)

I'd be happy to contribute with a generous amount of good bread as I didn't
bring cheese. So missing bread issue could be solved that way.

[...]
 Please feel  free to make suggestions and/or criticisms, of course!

I'm really motivated to give an useful destination for CW surplus. I can try
to organize a kind of 'coffee break' (would it be allowed in hacklab?) for
post-CW DC days or even an external donation.

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Re: [Debconf-team] minor bug report: https://wiki.debconf.org

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On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 06:50:18PM -0600, Christian PERRIER wrote:
 Quoting Holger Levsen (hol...@layer-acht.org):
  On Donnerstag, 5. Juli 2012, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
   As it is since 2007. wiki.debconf.org never had ssl.
  
  I consider this a bug.
 
 
 Isn't it even more a bug that wiki.debconf.org doesn't have SSL but
 something answers (with a certificate) at https://wiki.debconf.org *and*
 shows a page for DebConf7?

There's an answer for this question in
http://www.mail-archive.com/debconf-team@lists.debconf.org/msg05184.html

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[Debconf-team] noisy hacklab x quiet hacklab

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Hey all, I've seen in past debconfs a kind of natural consensus having a noisy
hacklab and a quiet (actually a not-so-noisy) one.

As it hasn't naturally happened (yet) this year I'm doing such proposal.

If -team agrees I can manage to print and attach messages around. I've not been
to the hacklab2 yet, so I don't know which one should be more suitable for
silence/noise. Any thoughts?

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Re: [Debconf-team] Information gathered for travel sponsorship

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. This is a point I have thought about, but cannot come up with a
  convincing (even for myself) answer. So, maybe we should ask:
 
  - What is your general historic involvement in Debian? (to have as a
reference)
  - What are your plans for *this* DebConf, how do yo expect your
presence here to be benefical for Debian?
  - What makes you believe you will achieve it? (i.e. who can vouch for
your involvement in a given project, or something like that)
 
 To me these questions seem mostly the same as the ones proposed in the
 initial proposal.
 
 
  Another idea: ask sponsored attendees to write a short report after
  Debconf, on their actual work during debconf.  It would probably be very
  extreme to remove sponsorship after Debconf if the results are not good
  enough, but it could be re-used during the next year's process.
 
  Right. But I don't want to be among the reviewing people, or chasing
  around people because they didn't submit their work reports. And we
  are, after all, not managers and managees(?) - We are a bunch of geeks
  who allegedly enjoy working together, but sometimes need some monies
  to do so. Adding such a report would IMO deter from the fun.
 
 I think we could solve this by basing future sponsorship decision on
 this. If someone does not write his report his chances are lower to got
 sponsorship in the future. If we do it that way we also don't need
 someone to chase around people.
 
 As an additional factor I think we should take into account past
 sponsorship decisions. If someone got sponsorship in the past, maybe
 it's time to give the money to someone else. So those that got more
 money in the past should get less sponsorship. I think this should be an
 additional factor beside the need for sponsorship (requested amount),
 the current contributions and the work plan for DebConf.

Agreed.

Is there anyone working on a guideline draft already? If not, could we start?

Is it time to start addressing other important points such as composing the
rating team or so?

Regards and thanks people for giving life back to this, I hope it become a less
stressful process for next DCs.

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Re: [Debconf-team] Update from meeting with LeCamp

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Hi,

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 03:11:23PM +0100, Philipp Hug wrote:
 Hi,
 
 We  (Gaudenz and I) had a meeting with LeCamp and agreed on the following
 changes to the contract:
 * Changed dates to: From Saturday Aug 10, 08:00 until Sunday Aug 18 17:00
 * Camping
 ** up to 60 persons allowed
 ** Price: if there are less than 300 people in beds CHF 17 (same as
 cheapest beds), if more than 300 beds are used, the reduced price for tents
 of CHF 10 applies
 * Cancellation fee: base price reduced to 10, same conditions otherwise
 * Food prices explicitly stated in the contract now (breakfast, lunch,
 dinner)
 
 The following concession was made:
 * We pay 80% of the estimated bill before the start of the conference.
 
 About the DebCamp week:
 They'd really like if we come for there whole two weeks and wanted to
 include a deal for this week too. But as this would have been too
 controversial they accepted that we don't include this for now.
 This also means they are now free to rent all the buildings to other groups.
 But: Renting only some of the buildings might require some more concessions
 on our side.

I've been following last weeks irc/list dicussions and as a concerned-silent
one I must say now a big thank you for the hard work on the successful
negotiation of major issues in the contract.

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Re: [Debconf-team] Rethinking the way travel sponsorship works

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Hi,

On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 02:53:37PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote:
 Hi,
 
 thanks for your work on dc13 attendee sponsorship! Just one comment/question:
 
 On Dienstag, 14. Mai 2013, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote:
  Making the whle process fully public was already rejected in previous
  discussions. I agree that this might be too much.
 
 ack

+1

  But to balance
  accountability towards the project with the need for privacy for those
  requesting sponsorship I think we could at least announce the list of
  persons who were granted travel sponsorship (without amounts). This
  would allow for at least basic oversight of the process by outsiders.
 
 what's the status on this? do you plan to publish the list of people 
 receiving 
 any sponsorship (be it travel, food and/or accomodation) or just travel 
 sponsorship? if so, has this been announced to the people requesting 
 sponsorship?

I've suggested somewhere to have a full table including sponsored people with
info regarding travel boursaries + food + accom + a list with raters. If
possible with a small summary about the process. Then it could be used for the
final report. I keep supporting this suggestion and I'm here to help on making
all this info together after the whole process is done.

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[Debconf-team] Talks x lunch time

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Hi,

We from talks team were informally suggested by .ch locals to consider lunch
time from 12:30 to 14:30. We'd like to confirm with orga people that it's
logistically ok. In that case we'll have talks scheduled from 9:30 to 12:30 and
from 14:30 to 18:30. Informal meetings can be schedule after this time.

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Re: [Debconf-team] Talks x lunch time

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Hi,

On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 09:53:57PM +0200, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote:
 
 Hi
 
 Tiago Bortoletto Vaz ti...@debian.org writes:
 
  Hi,
 
  We from talks team were informally suggested by .ch locals to consider lunch
  time from 12:30 to 14:30. We'd like to confirm with orga people that it's
  logistically ok. In that case we'll have talks scheduled from 9:30 to 12:30 
  and
  from 14:30 to 18:30. Informal meetings can be schedule after this
  time.
 
 This would mean 3 sessions in the morning and 4 sessions in the
 afternoon, right?

Yes.

 Sounds good to me. The times also seem fine. The last
 session in the afternoon is probably already a bit late. But if there
 are only few talks in that slot, I think it's fine.

Yes, and we'll have talks/meetings/activities which we think fits better being
a bit late.

 Dinner would then be served from 18:30 to 20:30?

It sounds good.

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Re: [Debconf-team] Talk rooms in penta

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Hi,

On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 09:44:27PM +0200, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote:
 
 Hi Tiago
 
 Tiago Bortoletto Vaz ti...@debian.org writes:
 
  Hi,
 
  It seems we'll have two rooms with video coverage for talks + 1 possible 
  third
  room for informal meetings. Please correct me if I'm wrong. So, talks team 
  will
  be working on talks scheduling next days and we need at least two rooms 
  added
  in penta. Could any pentamaster perform this?
 
 Have you seen the mail I posted about 2 weeks ago about the room
 planing? I don't think we have settled anything yet and I did not get
 any feedback from the talks team about how many talk rooms they would
 like to have and about how many people have to fit into these. IMO we
 should first answer these questions before fixing the schedule and
 defining talk rooms in penta. Input from the talks team would be greatly
 appreciated.

Yes, we and some locals have talked about this in IRC, but we should have given
you a clear answer in that thread, as you've clearly asked for. Sorry, I'll try
to give some answers now:

(from http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20130610.085553.4a441921.en.html)

- Are the capacity estimates sane wrt the room sizes?

A 200m2 should be ok for 222 people in a school room equipped with 18 inch
desks.  In a theater seats style it would fit ~300 people, as Le Camp has
stated. So, given the expected number of attendees it's enough to have a 200m2
room  plus a 150m2 room for talks. I've got measures from $weird_websites, but
they give more or less the same result. (eg.
http://www.csgnetwork.com/grouproommeetcalc.html).

- How many talk rooms and official hacklabs to we need? Are 2 talk
  rooms enough, or should we plan with 3 talk rooms?

We've already reached almost 100% of availability considering that two rooms
will be provided. So a third one would be great to offer for informal / last
minute meetings.

 There have been offers for video equipement for a third talk room. I
 don't know if anyone from the video team has follwed up on this. I also
 don't know if a third talk room would be desirable at all.

Video team uses to cover two rooms. For DC13 we have some extra-team people
offering their help and equipment which could cover a third room, but afaik we
can't assure now that it'll happen. So, lets assume two rooms with video
coverage + a third room (if possible) with no video.

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Re: [Debconf-team] Urgent: Dishwashing Cleaning

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On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 07:57:07PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote:
 seriously, buy two dishwashing machines (max 1000€ total) and let them be 
 filled by volunteers... 5k for dishwashing is like 3% of our total budget.
+1

I'd join a team to coordinate volunteers on this.

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Re: [Debconf-team] Urgent: Dishwashing Cleaning

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 02:37:01PM -0400, Brian Gupta wrote:
 On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Patty Langasek harmo...@dodds.net wrote:
  On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 07:57:07PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote:
  seriously, buy two dishwashing machines (max 1000€ total) and let them be
  filled by volunteers... 5k for dishwashing is like 3% of our total budget.
 
 
  This was part of a long debate - unless we have enough volunteers dedicated
  to handling this, or people who will take responsibility in the event that
  the volunteers ... choose not to complete this task, it's unreasonable to
  expect that this will just get done.
 
  What this means is that for those volunteer hours, they will be dedicating
  an hour or so after each meal to duties that should have been (and aren't,
  so we're trying to cover it) included with catering.
 
  If this is the way we're going with this, we need to have the dishwashing
  volunteer crew staffed and ready to start with the first full meal (lunch)
  and finish with the last dinner, and someone to be responsible in the event
  the crew can't manage the workload.
 
  Front desk will not be responsible for dishwashing.
 
 My two cents. I fully agree with Patty. Although it is expensive, it
 is time consuming and requires DDs to miss important sessions, which

It's not necessarily true that attendees will miss important sessions if they
decided to volunteer on this. They will probably put their names for date/time
that they feel comfortable doing so without loosing anything important.
Socializing in a bar or doing dishes with fellow debian people doesn't make any
difference to me.

 means having people volunteer for this is counterproductive to the
 mission of the conference. Thus, if we can find a way to afford it, we
 should definitely outsource this task.

IMO it's a huge cost that we could easily avoid, so imagine a surplus of 5k,
that could bring 10+ to next DC, or could be put to good use in daytrip,
official dinner, CW party etc in the current conference.

 That said, it does seem the hourly rates quoted seem high for the
 nature of the work, so it would probably be worth exploring lower cost
 options, but in the end, I think we really should be looking at not
 having Developers missing sessions to wash dishes.

We use to have 30+ volunteers operating cameras and doing other things that are
not related to Debian nor 'geek friendly'. It doesn't mean they miss sessions,
it's part of Debconf. If we agree that 6-7 people work x 2 hours a day worths
(saving 5k) it would be part of debconf, and I'm sure we'd perform it in a
debconf spirit, making this job even fun to play.

Btw, there're already at least 5 people ready to coordinate/volunteer on this.

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Re: [Debconf-team] Urgent: Dishwashing Cleaning

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On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 08:21:37PM +0200, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
 Le lundi, 8 juillet 2013 20.04:35, Tiago Bortoletto Vaz a écrit :
  On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 07:57:07PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote:
   seriously, buy two dishwashing machines (max 1000€ total) and let
   them be filled by volunteers... 5k for dishwashing is like 3% of
   our total budget.
  
  +1
  
  I'd join a team to coordinate volunteers on this.
 
 For what is worth…
 
 First, this has been proposed and dismissed at the latest DebConf Team 
 meeting [0].

Right, but it's not clear to me that we couldn't go back to this, considering
that the team would decide after having quotes ready. (from meeting minutes):

AGREED: : ask the general cleaning company about a quote for dishwashing for
DebConf, during DebCamp it can be organized by volunteers. Quotes should be
ready for the next team meeting so we can decide.

 Second, Le Camp already has all the _infrastructure_ needed for the 
 dishwashing, including professional machines. What dishwashing 
 includes is (starting at the end of the previous meal): cleaning and 
 preparing the tables, putting plates and silverware on the tables; then 
 taking them off there, putting them in the professional dishwashing 
 machines, taking them off there, drying them and putting them back in 
 the cupboards. The Le Camp staff said that, based on their experience, 
 it roughly takes 3-4 persons for roughly two hours per meal to do it; 
 the latest team meeting clearly leaned towards arguing that we can't 
 find enough volunteers to do it.

Now we have the total costs x budget it's time to rethink a bit IMO. Anyway, it
seems we've agreed to talk about it during tomorrow's meeting.

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Re: [Debconf-team] Urgent: Dishwashing Cleaning

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On Tue, Jul 09, 2013 at 02:14:50AM +0100, Moray Allan wrote:
 On 2013-07-08 21:20, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote:
 IMO the way to go is that before tomorrows meeting we need to find
 enough persons willing to organize the dishwashing by volunteers
 and who
 are commited enough that in case of failure they are ready to do the
 unstaffed shifts themselves.
 
 I'd emphasise that a bit more: those advocating the volunteer route
 should genuinely accept that if there are not sufficient other
 volunteers, they may need to do many long dishwashing shifts
 themselves. Including when they get people to sign up for a slot but
 those people fail to actually turn up for it, or when those people
 wander off before the job is done.

We've been done this for other not-so-funny tasks, so I think such instructions
don't need too much emphasis. We're all adults and we have a few /ironic
experience as volunteers, right?

 I don't think it's reasonable for us to unduly hassle attendees
 towards helping on this, or to try to make it a condition of
 attending or of sponsorship, especially at this late stage.  Some
 advertising of the possibility of helping would of course be fine,
 like for the video team or for front desk.  But people who are
 signing themselves up to the use volunteers side need to be ready
 to check each shift that there really are sufficient people working
 throughout the shift, and to do it themselves if there aren't,
 without getting upset if they end up needing to do it themselves for
 many shifts.

Hey, of course we have the right to get upset, I didn't get your point here.
Being upset doesn't mean we won't do the job (see Holger in videoteam :). But
well, by reading such discouraging messages I start thinking it may be better
to switch to the old-fa$hioned solution and forget about this utopian
community-oriented attempt of saving a mere five thousand dollars for nothing.

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Re: [Debconf-team] Urgent: Dishwashing Cleaning

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On Tue, Jul 09, 2013 at 01:39:43PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote:
 Hi Raphaël,
 
 On Dienstag, 9. Juli 2013, Raphaël Walther wrote:
  I really need a decision today.
 
 Eight more hours and you'll have it :)
 
  B. Dishwashing partialy done by 3 students from 14:00 to 22:00 for total
  cost of CHF 2640 and volunteer based in the morning.
 
 this amount sounds way more reasonable to me. (I also think its better to use 
 volunteers in the morning and paid staff in the evening...)

So if we get cold meals for lunch there'll be no staff needed. Let's wait for a
final position on this.

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Re: [Debconf-team] Urgent: Dishwashing Cleaning

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Didier 'OdyX' Raboud o...@debian.org a écrit :


Le mardi, 9 juillet 2013 13.53:44, Tiago Bortoletto Vaz a écrit :

 this amount sounds way more reasonable to me. (I also think its
 better to use volunteers in the morning and paid staff in the
 evening...)

So if we get cold meals for lunch there'll be no staff needed. Let's
wait for a final position on this.


Why? We would still use plates, silverware and glasses. Cold doesn't
necessarily mean without plates, we were proposed salads for example.


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Re: [Debconf-team] Lanyards, badge holders and badges

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Hi,

On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 09:14:51PM +0200, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 following up on the discussion that happenned today on IRC, let me try 
 to sommarize its origin and outcomes.
 
 The situation is that we need attendee badges for all sorts of reasons 
 and the usual way to do that has been that the conference would provide 
 these individual badges, the badges holders and lanyards (usually). As 
 these three things are separate, let's try to keep them so.
 
 a) Lanyards
 
 One of our silver sponsors is apparently happy to provide enough branded 
 (not Debian-branded, sponsor-branded) lanyards for everyone, for free. 
 Given that they are a sponsor already, I think it's sane to let them 
 provide the lanyards to the DebConf attendees. For reference, a similar 
 offer has been made by a Bronze sponsor.
 
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanyard#Badge_or_identification_holder

As I've said on IRC, if the sponsors team decide to do a last minute promotion
for a given sponsor I'd accept it, but personally I think this is not the best
option at all. Given that branded-colored lanyards draw much attention I know
many people who won't be happy using it, mainly if it has Ubuntu printed on it.
So I'd leave this option as something option in the frontdesk for those who
want to take one.

There's an option raised by hug which would cost about CHF 700 to make it in
time (CHF 2.46 per lanyard). They would be custom Debian lanyards with up to 4
colors. We could even make a bit more for selling (?) I think it's very
valuable, since people use to save them to use in many others events, promoting
the project in some way. I've experienced that in Brazil for many years and I
still have mine. See an example (not me in the picture):
http://www.flickr.com/photos/beraldoleal/5898404742/lightbox/

 b) Badge holders
 
 The current idea is to buy 300 A7 badge holders from Roscheba [0], for 
 roughly 126€, aka 160 CHF.
 
 [0] http://www.roscheba.de/product_info.php?info=p116
 
 Apparently Holger might have a cheaper solution; Holger?

Sounds good, and yes, it seems Holger has a cheaper option.

 c) Individual badges
 
 There are roughly two solutions there: strong credit-card format  or 
 paperboard. One concern that was rised was that it mattered to have two-
 sided badges
 
 Credit-card format: A Bronze sponsor is proposing us 0.30 CHF/item for 
 one-sided blackwhite, or 0.65 CHF/item for one-sided colour.
 
 Paperboard: If we fold A6 in two, we can do 4 double-sided badges per A4 
 sheet printed only on one side (or 8 double-sided badges if we print on 
 two sides, but it's trickier to succeed). The printing of such A4 sheets 
 (that we can then cut ourselves) is likely to be around 30 CHF/item.
 
 I suggest to go with the second possibility.

+1.

 d) Design
 
 I intend to work on three generic designs: Organiser, Staff and 
 Attendee, but the final layout will depend on the shape selected in c), 
 above. AFAIK there was no personalisation used: photo and informations 
 from penta, right?

I wouldn't trust penta for photos. Maybe name + nickname or email. We had
country in the past, but I'm not sure if we want it.

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Re: [Debconf-team] Lanyards, badge holders and badges

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Hi,

On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 01:14:29PM -0700, Patty Langasek wrote:
 On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 03:59:58PM -0400, Tiago Bortoletto Vaz wrote:
  Hi,
  
  On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 09:14:51PM +0200, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
   a) Lanyards
 
  As I've said on IRC, if the sponsors team decide to do a last minute 
  promotion
  for a given sponsor I'd accept it, but personally I think this is not the 
  best
  option at all. Given that branded-colored lanyards draw much attention I 
  know
  many people who won't be happy using it, mainly if it has 
  Ubuntu
 
 Or Intel. There would be Options.
  
  printed on it.
 
 I'd like to, again, note that this was not a suggestion by either sponsor,
 and neither sponsor is trying to get a higher sponsorship level with this.
 This was an attempt by me to save the DebConf organization some money since
 previous discussions of cost on various issues have caused anxiety.
 
 This is one of the things that I don't consider worth spending another 1000
 CHF on, especially considering other things we have chosen, as a team, to
 not spend money on.
 
  So I'd leave this option as something option in the frontdesk for those who
  want to take one.
 
  There's an option raised by hug which would cost about CHF 700 to make it in
  time (CHF 2.46 per lanyard). They would be custom Debian lanyards with up 
  to 4
  colors. We could even make a bit more for selling (?) I think it's very
  valuable, since people use to save them to use in many others events, 
  promoting
  the project in some way. I've experienced that in Brazil for many years and 
  I
  still have mine. See an example (not me in the picture):
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/beraldoleal/5898404742/lightbox/
 
 And this would be a great option, if we didn't have other budget concerns
 and arguments as is. I, personally, feel a good conference dinner and day

I also prefer a good conference dinner and day than a fancy lanyard, but I'd go
without a luxurious dinner in a boat to save ~15k, as I've advocated to save
~5k on dishwashing. I would also be happy saving ~CHF700 on lanyards, but I
think it's something that doesn't hurt the budget too much, mainly when
considering the total price x benefits for the conference.

 trip is much more valuable than a lanyard. I, also, have a Debian lanyard
 from Brazil (somewhere in my house) that I've kept, but those were planned
 for and budgeted into DC4, which is not the case here.

As I remember it was not in the DC4 budget, we had very cheap ones for that
conference. I'm pretty sure it was an initiative from Debian-Brasil people.

 I think having them available for sale at the conference is worthy, and
 people could certainly buy one for 5 CHF (or whatever) if they'd prefer to
 have that over one of the free (yes, free. Logo or not, they cost the
 attendees nothing.) lanyards.

gratis for promoting, a 'freeware' I'd say :)

 But, I don't think we should expect everyone
 to purchase one either. I think this is an acceptable thing to have *in
 addition to the complimentarily provided lanyards*, but not something to
 expect attendees to purchase to be able to display their badges, nor the
 only option available.

All these priorities are very personal, so I don't think it worths to argue too
much here, mainly considering that we are all trying to provide the best for
our beloved debian people. Let's try to reach a consensus as we have done for
other money issues. I keep thinking that such last minute promotion is a
sensible decision to be made just for saving a little money. I'd like to hear
from other people.

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Re: [Debconf-team] 20th Birthday Party - DebianDay

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

Hi,

Quoting Gaudenz Steinlin gaud...@debian.org:


Hi

I just added a draft version of the birthday party program and
announcement to the website [1] (not yet linked in the navigation).
Please review, the page is in SVN [2], so you can edit it directly. If you
are not comfortable with this, you can also send suggestions to me by
mail.

I'd also like to have your feedback for the following open questions:

* Barbecue for non DebConf attendees
I suggest that we offer the barbecue also to non DebConf attendees and
ask for a voluntary donation. IMO this is the easiest solution, allows
everyone to attend regardless of their finances and generally results in
as much income as having a fixed price. Opinions?


I like your suggestion.


* Registration
If we want to invite non DebConf people to the barbecue we need some way
for them to register. I have setup a wiki page for this [3]. This is
easy for us, but has the disadvantage that everyone that want's to
attend needs an account in the wiki. Any better suggestions?
Do we want to ask people to register also if they don't intend to eat
from the Barbecue?


Simple wiki registration is enough. I'd ask people to register regardless
eating from the barbecue.


* Party program
We still don't have much for the program after the barbecue. Any ideas
and help is welcome.


We could move the Debconf Poetry Night from 15 to 16. I'm quite sure the
proposer will be happy to switch. I can manage it from talks team side.
Also, we could also mention somewhere that artistic interventions from
attendees are very welcome in the party (music, poetry, dancing, theater,
juggling etc etc).

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[Debconf-team] [NO] Daytrip and conference dinner proposal

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

I answer NO here, so people will believe Gunnar that it was a controversial
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Re: [Debconf-team] German two-bid strategy

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 before being sent out. At all meetings,
 several of us could make it somehow.
 Contrary to that, the other bid teams seem to be spearheaded by one or
 only a few people at this relatively early stage.

After giving more attention to the bid's pages and reading
emails/meetings backlogs I'm blocked by my current preference:

#1 Heidelberg
#2 Mechelen
#3 Munich

So it's very clear that the 2-options bid strategy makes things
difficult to me.

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Re: [Debconf-team] German two-bid strategy

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

Hi, quoting madduck and Aigars here.

On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 10:36:18AM +0200, Aigars Mahinovs wrote:
 On 5 March 2014 23:58, martin f krafft madd...@debconf.org wrote:
  also sprach Tiago Bortoletto Vaz ti...@debian.org [2014-03-05 21:59 
  +0100]:
  After giving more attention to the bid's pages and reading
  emails/meetings backlogs I'm blocked by my current preference:
 
  #1 Heidelberg
  #2 Mechelen
  #3 Munich
 
  So it's very clear that the 2-options bid strategy makes things
  difficult to me.
 
  Please don't split Heidelberg and Munich up. They are part of the
  same bid. And we believe that this should make things easier for
  you, instead. Here's why:
 
  Let's assume for one moment that you chose the German team, which
  proposed your top preference, Heidelberg. What could possibly happen
  next?

It's not only about the team. Indeed, the German team looks amazing, but
even this great team may not be able to prepare a great Debconf if the
venue impose some important constraints (e.g a non 24/7 hacklab, which
seems to be the case for Munich).

B) The team develops Munich further to the point where it trumps
   Heidelberg, and then choses Munich, because it is the best
   proposal;
   → everyone happy (and DebConf gets even better)!

 This takes the final venue decision from Debconf team to local team,
 which has so far happened only in exceptional cases.
 
C) Heidelberg's venue burns down, so the team falls back to using
   Munich;
   → everyone happy, for a lesser DebConf is better than no DebConf.

I'm afraid that C) can also happen due to other circunstances. Given
that the team is mostly located in Munich, you may find it more
convenient (no judgement here) and put less effort in Heidelberg option,
for exemple. So in that case you'd have a 'better than no DebConf' just
because you had a 'plan B' which was more confortable for the team. It's
just one example, but we all know how hard is to keep active a local
team, so I consider this example something realistic.

 Actually - no, not everyone is happy, because a different venue
 outside Germany would have then been a better choice.

That's my point, thanks Aigars for your clear words.

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Re: [Debconf-team] German two-bid strategy

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

Hello again,

On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 02:38:57PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote:
 also sprach Aigars Mahinovs aigar...@debian.org [2014-03-06 09:36 +0100]:
  Actually what is being asked is to develop all proposed options by
  all teams to such a level that a valid and final decision can be
  made between all proposed venue options.
 
 You cannot make a valid and final decision at this point anyway,
 since there are no contracts in place yet. You can only decide for
 which of the bid teams you'd like to pursue the organisation of
 DebConf.
 
 B) The team develops Munich further to the point where it trumps
Heidelberg, and then choses Munich, because it is the best
proposal;
→ everyone happy (and DebConf gets even better)!
  
  This takes the final venue decision from Debconf team to local
  team, which has so far happened only in exceptional cases.
 
 The local teams are the ones that know the venues, so they *should*
 make this decision, obviously with guidance from and in cooperation
 with the committee.
 
 C) Heidelberg's venue burns down, so the team falls back to
using Munich;
→ everyone happy, for a lesser DebConf is better than no DebConf.
  
  Actually - no, not everyone is happy, because a different venue
  outside Germany would have then been a better choice.
 
 If by that time, the other team is still ready to go, then yes, this
 could happen.
 
 I consider it much more likely that post-bid-decision, one team
 disintegrates and the other starts working together more. So if the
 first choice burns down, I think the existing and active team will
 be much better off at finding a solution than an inactive team
 would, especially if the active team has worked with a backup plan
 from the start.
 
  If the chosen option fails after the decision is made, that is an
  extraordinary situation that should not influence the decision as
  such.
 
 Sure, there's no point in considering this unlikely case at this
 time. However, being prepared and having a backup solution *should*
 be considered, and it is in fact part of the LocationChecklist
 (under 10.)…
 
  There is *more* competition before the venue decision, so
  negotiations should be made now, not some time later when options
  have already become more limited.
 
 We may have a differing understanding of what a negotiation entails.
 When I say negotiation, I am talking about a process of discussing
 conditions, formalising an agreement and signing it to form
 a binding contract.
 
 You are talking about preliminary assessments. Those are important,
 and we have done them, as evidenced by the wiki pages. But we feel
 like there's room for improvement in the pricing. However, no venue
 is going to offer a lower price if they sense that they've already
 been chosen.
 
 Just remember: lower prices means more travel sponsorship.
 
  IMHO if both Germany bids are still so much in flux that even the
  local team can not decide now between them,
 
 There is only one German bid, and the primary proposal of the German
 bid (Heidelberg) has been out of flux for months. We're ready to
 sign. And this leaves us ample time and energy to work on an
 alternative, Munich, which looks promising, but we're well aware
 that it's not there yet.
 
  In my eyes the combined German bid would rank lower than either of
  them individually. This is because of the worst case scenario
  - German team wins the bid, spends a lot of time and effort
  developing both bids, mostly the preferred one and then the
  preferred bid fails and all that time spent on it is wasted and we
  have a weaker location with far less time spent on developing it.
 
 I think you are suggesting that if the first option fails, having
 a second option available on which you have not spent as much time
 is worse than having no second option available. If you look at past
 DebConfs, I think you will conclude that it would have been *really*
 *good* in some cases, had a team already started developing a backup
 solution — even at low power — before the preferred option fell over.
 
 I find it quite demotivating for you to insinuate that we are
 working on any other agenda than to deliver the best possible
 DebConf. In fact, if you think that is the case, please don't vote
 for us.

Just to clarify a bit, I trust a lot your team, I have no doubts about
your goals and I'm happy that the option I like more seems to be the one
which is most likely to be chosen. I think it'd help a lot if you state
that before the meeting (if it's actually the case).

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Re: [Debconf-team] German two-bid strategy

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

Hi Marga,

On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 02:43:04PM +0100, Margarita Manterola wrote:
 Hi,
 
 This is becoming quite a flamewar and doesn't seem a productive use of
 everyone's time. I'm not going to reply point by point, but rather
 give a general overview of my opinion, both as having been part of the
 committee, a DebConf organizer, and part of the German bid at this
 time.

No, it's not even close to a flamewar. Last messages from madduck have
been quite helpful to at least one dc commitee member, if that matters.
And I didn't see any offense so far attached to this subject.

 When the bid is selected in the decision meeting, the venue presented
 is just a proposal.  It has happened a few times in the past that the
 venue had to be changed, and it was not a problem as long as the
 definitive venue met similar (or even better) characteristics as the
 one originally proposed.
 
 This means that if Mechelen is selected tonight, but then some
 unexpected event happens and it's not possible to have DebConf in the
 proposed venue, the Belgian team in cooperation with the global
 DebConf team would need to somehow figure out where and how to host
 DebConf instead.

It's a totally different scenario.

 I think it's pretty clear that at this point the Heidelberg option is
 better than the Munich option.  As has been already said too many
 times, we decided to keep both in order to have better negotiations
 and have a fallback plan in case of unexpected events.  We do not
 intend to go with a lesser option.

Great then.

 I believe it's in the power of the DebConf committee to say that they
 choose the German bid as long as their venue is equivalent to
 Heidelberg (that means, the currently proposed venue, or an equivalent
 venue), and that they consider the Munich venue significantly
 different at this time (i.e. a strong suggestion to drop Munich).
 It's also in the power of the committee to state that they see both
 options as adequate and let the final decision on the venue be done
 later on, when negotiations are finalized.

Should we consider Heidelberg as a plan A and Munich as a plan B for
German bid?

 As a last note, as Martin and Richard have stated, please keep in mind
 that what we all want is to host the best possible DebConf.  Winning
 the bid does not bring money, power or fame to the winners, it just
 brings a lot of extra work. If we presented two venues is because we
 really think that both of them would be viable options for having a
 great DebConf, not because of a winning strategy.

Sure, I've never insinuated that. Also, I have to say that I find it a
bit rude to bring these things about money, power or fame, as if someone
among us is provoking the discussion on this. I'm far from thinking
something like that, we have all been involved in past DCs in so many
ways to understand what it means in terms of gain/loss to the orga team.

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Re: [Debconf-team] German two-bid strategy

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 04:07:26PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote:
 also sprach Tiago Bortoletto Vaz ti...@debian.org [2014-03-06 15:16 +0100]:
  Just to clarify a bit, I trust a lot your team, I have no doubts
  about your goals and I'm happy that the option I like more seems to
  be the one which is most likely to be chosen. I think it'd help
  a lot if you state that before the meeting (if it's actually the
  case).
 
 Heidelberg has been our favourite ever since we submitted our bid.
 Here's what we wrote on the wiki about that:
 
   Our favourite at the time of this bid is Heidelberg, but there exist
   good reasons that might make one prefer Munich. We would like to
   continue developing both options and to postpone the decision for
   one and against the other until after the committee has decided in
   favour of DebConf15 in Germany. We are confident that this approach
   will not only allow us to choose the better of two very good
   options, but that it will also be instrumental in pricing
   negotiations.

Thanks! And sorry for have skkiped that portion in my reading.

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Re: [Debconf-team] daytrip + budget (Re: Updated budget for DC14)

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Hi,

On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 05:14:45PM -0700, Patty Langasek wrote:
 On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 05:56:05PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote:
  Hi,
 
  from a budget point of view, the daytrip can easily be made in a way that 
  it 
  doesnt cost the organizers any (additional) money. We've paid bus fares 
  ourselves (as attendees) in the past and can do that again and then we just 
  go 
  to some nice place in the countryside and have a picknick there, and voila, 
  splendid daytip with awesome memories - without a budget, except for food, 
  which we would have to pay anyway.
 
 That's actually kind of what I'm planning. Only, the picnic is accompanied
 by waterfalls.
 
 But, absolutely. The daytrip doesn't have to be extravagant (and *won't* be
 this year).  And I think we've worked too hard previously in trying to
 one-up the last daytrip experience (sorry, I'm not going to try to compete
 with CERN - cate wins that contest hands down), and I'm hoping people will
 be content with a very low-key, outdoorsy, as-active-as-you'd-like-to-be
 daytrip this year.

Yeeh! Daytrip is awesome, but sometimes it takes so much energy from the
orga team, so much money, so much etc etc... Let's do simple, Portland
seems to be a wonderful place to explore in a cheap way, I think just a
nice walk and a picnic would be enough to make Debian people happiness :)

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Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf14 DayTrip

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

Hi!

On 2014-05-30 15:39, Patty Langasek wrote:

Hello, everyone!

Because August is fast approaching, and August is also the busiest
month of
the year for tourism, I snagged some reservations for our day trip.

My plan for the daytrip is to bus everyone out to the Columbia River
Gorge[0], have a picnic lunch at Rooster Rock State Park[1] and view
Vista
House [2] and Multnomah Falls [3] as the highlights of site-seeing.

For the more adventurous, I'm working on convincing one of our friends
out
here to lead a moderate few hour hike (or 2) through the gorge. Soon,
I'll
have a wiki page up for people to give me feedback so I can try to
guess how
many people are interested in what kind of things.

If people want to scrap the Gorge idea, we can try to come up with
something
else. As it is, though, I'm pretty excited for this daytrip.

For those concerned about accessibility, all aspects (except the hike)
will
be handicap accessible.


IMO it's just a perfect daytrip! Thanks a lot :)

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Re: [Debconf-team] A proposal about scheduling for DC14

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On Wed, Jun 04, 2014 at 08:03:33AM -0700, Patty Langasek wrote:
 On Tue, Jun 03, 2014 at 11:38:36PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
 
  So, yes, if we have to decide between three days of mostly-hackning
  (read: What was previously known as DebCamp) and three days of
  mostly-conference (read: What was previously known as DebConf), I
  think the point pushed by the local team about DebCamp not being a net
  benefit for Debian would defeat itself. Interleaving mostly-talks and
  mostly-hacking days would at least introduce a change that could in
  some way be evaluated.
 
 I don't believe that the point pushed by the local team about DebCamp not
 being a net benefit for Debian would defeat itself, because that doesn't
 take into account how we attempted to restructure DebCamp to ensure more
 people could participate without increasing a cost to Debian.
 
 DebCamp is expensive. DebCamp, as it existed, had no way to ensure those who
 were attending were held accountable for being hosted, on Debian funds, to
 collaborate with others. And, as an organizer, I've received multiple
 complaints from people who *fully expected* to be able to collaborate with
 others who were hosted at a DebCamp, and the others were no where to be
 found, and the report back was that they were indeed *not* hacking. 
 
 I know this is not true for everyone, but this is most certainly a case
 where a few people have ruined the situation for everyone, and we *need*
 to find a way to actually make this work. I will point out that I have
 REPEATEDLY offered to help organize any sprints that people would like to
 have in Portland before (or after) the conference proper, and Lucas has
 offered to sign off on any of those sprints. To my knowledge, NOBODY has
 gone through the process to request a sprint. This suggests to me that
 DebCamp really was more about convenience than actually planning on
 collaboration.
 
 So, the local team for DC14 chose to attempt to incorporate DebCamp *into*
 DebConf to address this issue. If it will work or not is what we'll see
 after August. 
 
 And, quite frankly, I'm extremely insulted by the attitude of those who have
 been crying out about the lack of a DebCamp and declaring that the lack is a
 bug from DC14's planning, but haven't been bothered to even *apply* for a
 sprint.  If this were sincerely about needing to collaborate, I would expect
 at least one sprint to be requested.  None have.  NONE.  NOT.  A.  SINGLE. 
 ONE.

Hacking on debcamp is not the same as doing a sprint. In debcamp we know that
many people from different fronts in Debian will be there, and such inter-teams
collaboration is important. Also, being debcamp an 'official' part of the
Debian anual conference makes things easier for those who need to justify days
off from school/job/whatever. In debcamp, random hacking sessions also happen,
without any previews work plan. It happened to me to do totally different work
from what I've planned just because I found other people working on things that
were much more motivating to me at that time. It also happened to be called by
others to help with large bunch of missing translation, which I doubt I could
do in my 'regular' days at home. I see the same happing with others many times.

 If DebCamp is that sincerely important to your team, or coordination of a
 couple of teams, REQUEST A SPRINT FROM LUCAS.  CLEARLY if DebCamp was so
 important, we would be OVERWHELMED with sprint requests!  But, we haven't. 

Sprints can be request over the year, it doesn't need to be just before/after
Debconf. Debcamp is not sprint, this assumption is wrong. And this difference
does not mean that debcamp is free vacation. It's unfair, really, reading such
a comment (from steve) as response to someone (gregor) we know does lots of
hard work in debcamp is more than disturbing.

 So, please help us figure out how to actually incorporate *hacking* with
 *talks*.

I don't have a strong opinion about this new DC format, I hope I have one after
the conference. I feel it was not much discussed before being decided, that's
the main problem to me, sorry if I'm wrong. My general comment on this is that
once the thing is done, let's do it in a way we can compare it to the
traditional format in the end, so having alternate sessions, as proposed
originally, or the mixed proposal, which looks reasonable to me as well -- for
the purpose.

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Re: [Debconf-team] Website to watch streaming of the DebConf14

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Hey valessio!

On Sat, Jul 05, 2014 at 02:32:43AM -0300, ValessioBrito wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 In previous editions collaborated to create a simple page[1][2][3]
 which allows you to track the DebConf while interacting via IRC.
 
 In this issue I want to make that contribution, if there is someone in
 charge of this task.

Sure, I'm so happy to have you attending DC again :)

 I'm thinking of using similar tools (cortado[4], html+css, html5
 tagvideo) similar code of the previous editions, however, in place
 of IRC webchat.oftc, wanting to try the scrollback[5], being a free
 tool which integrates with social networking and IRC.
 
 Also is open to other suggestions and collaborations. Bring the
 contents of transmission DebConf14 a larger number of developers and
 contributors.

Could you take a look at http://timvideos.us/ ? We're running video for
a conference right now, so you can see real things going on. You can
find the source in https://github.com/timvideos. You may want to hack
this one and have it integrated to other tools of your preference.
Anyway, you're also free to use other stuff as you did great for past
DCs. You can talk to me directly if you need quick responses in pt_BR,
I'm becoming quite involved with video team from next days so I may be
useful on this.

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Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf orga/governance sessions at DC14

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Hi,

On 08/19/2014 01:14 AM, martin f krafft wrote:
 also sprach tas...@acaia.ca tas...@acaia.ca [2014-08-19 02:28 +0200]:
 Maybe not exactly in the format proposed by Madduck, but just
 having the space to talk seems pretty reasonable to me.
 […]
 I think that no perfect formula will come out from one 45-minute
 session. Maybe we could think of a series of meetings spread
 during the whole conference? Would we have energy for that?
 
 I am proposing two 2-hour-slots early and late during the week,
 sorry if this wasn't clear. I am not sure whether a third or fourth
 such session would help, but if the chairs want, I would organise
 those too.

It seems to me that it's mostly madduck and vorlon concerns rather than
a general objection to the current model. Even I'm right and it's coming
from only two persons I'd second for that 4-hours discussion proposal.
The fact of vorlon and madduck being key persons to current and next DCs
suggests that something on local/global teams interactions seems to be
wrong here, not sure exactly where.

Also, could you (madduck and vorlon) please refer where we can find
exactly what you want to fix? And how? I've followed many public threads
in previous DCs related to this but I (and I can assure there're others
in the same situation) couldn't get yet the main points.

Anyway, does anyone else support/objects to madduck's 4h discussion
proposal? Please speak up.

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Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf14 streaming

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Hi,

On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 07:24:11PM +0200, Innocent De Marchi wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Please, where's is the link for live streams? It isn't available yet?
 

Sure: http://timvideos.us/

We're preparing an annoucement for this.

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Re: [Debconf-team] RFC: (Hopefully) Last draft of the dc15 sponsorship brochure

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

Hi,

On Sat, Sep 06, 2014 at 11:18:34PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
 Hi Tiago,
 
 On Tue, Sep 02, 2014 at 05:40:48PM -0400, Tiago Bortoletto Vaz wrote:
  Sounds good to me, except for the Job Postings and Job Fair for Bronze
  sponsors. It gives enough visibility and it's intrusive enough to
  deserve a silver IMO. And please, do not consider having job tables
  inside hacklabs.
 
 For my information, is this last comment a response to the presence of
 vendor tables in the downstairs hacklab at DC14?  If so, can you elaborate
 on how this was problematic?  I think more detailed feedback will help the
 DC15 team better understand why this was an issue and avoid creating a
 similar situation next year.

It's a general comment, but yes, the first floor hacklab came to my mind
when writing. I did some work on a table close to the Intel table. Many
people came to Intel table to make questions about their job offers,
which generates medium annoying noise. At some point we had the drawing
and then it became near impossible to focus. Many people and lots of
noise. My suggestion is to keep sponsor tables elsewhere. Hacklab is
supposed to be a working place, preferably a silent one.

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Re: [Debconf-team] RFC: (Hopefully) Last draft of the dc15 sponsorship brochure

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

Hi,

On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 01:09:25AM +0100, Martín Ferrari wrote:
 Hi,
 
 My last message on the topic, I don't want to drag this discussion for ever.
 
 
 First of all, I am a bit worried that there is not much discussion about
 this, saving for discussions about how to run a raffle.
 
 I saw just a couple of concerns about the points I am discussing here,
 and no endorsements. I cannot predict if the silence is due to
 endorsement or to not caring. I believe this is an important decision.
 Please people, speak up!
 
 On 10/09/14 00:35, Michael Banck wrote:
 
  Also, note that at DebConf14 basically everything we put in the brochure
  (before DC14 started) happened on an ad-hoc basis: the sponsor booth
  (some sponsors seemed to put up tables to talk to attendees), the job
  fair (rather inofficial, but still), the sponsoring of some events (in
  this case even the CW party, plus an off-site social event), the raffle
  etc.  The amount of push-back was rather small I believe. I explicitly
  asked a couple of attendees I know well and believed they may be opposed
  to them, but they did not see the sky falling.
 
 It is true it was ad-hoc and the sky didn't fall. But the key point is
 that it was ad-hoc, and in the case of the CW, that it solved a problem
 for the organisers.
 Personally, I didn't like much the HP event being announced almost as
 something official, but did not want to cause a fuss about it either.

+1

 Note that I am not opposing to the job fair or the booths. It is the
 sponsoring of the social events that I feel is kind of wrong, going
 against our spirit. It feels like monetising the conference, that's why
 I feel uneasy.

Yep.

 I would rather cut the costs (or the existence) of all these (CW,
 dinner, day trip, sponsored beverages) than selling them.

I'd go for it too. Although madduck's answer to my concerns on this made
me believe that they won't go to extremes :)

I have a feeling that all these new sponsoring experiments will create
more trouble than fixings/improving things. Actually I think we're
trying to fix a non-issue.

Regarding the raffle, oh... I know I'm looking like the
annoying guy here but I'll let you know my opinion anyway: if one really
needs a raffle to attend a talk/meeting on the morning I prefer keep one
saving time and energy in his/her bed.

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Re: [Debconf-team] RFC: (Hopefully) Last draft of the dc15 sponsorship brochure

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Hi,

On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 10:41:20PM -0400, Brian Gupta wrote:
[...]
 
 My feeling here is if folks want to run a raffle, and sponsors are
 willing to give
 raffleable swag, I don't think it hurts. I know in the not so recent
 past companies
 have donated laptops/netbooks to DebConf and those were somehow given
 to attendees.
 
 If people want to sleep-in they always can. (Realistically I am not so sure I
 buy that this will work as an incentive to get people to come to early slot if
 they are night owls anyway , but I think a raffle that doesn't conflict with
 talks, can't hurt.)

I agree with you here, I may have expressed myself badly. I'm fine with
it if the raffle doesn't disturb any official event/space (including
hacklabs) and if it doesn't take much energy from the localteam to
negociate it with sponsors.

Also, I don't like the idea of publicizing the raffle as a motivating
factor to attend DC events. I can't find words now to express this, but
it sounds to me a kind of legitimation of laziness, DebConf officially
tolerating the fact that a small chance to win a random gadget is more
motivating to attendees (who're mostly sponsored) than the opportunity
to join a presencial discussion relevant for the project.

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Re: [Debconf-team] Sponsored lanyards, a proposal

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I'm not part of sponsors team, but as I got quite active in last year's
discussion about sponsored lanyards I think I should say something here.

I find it's a bit late to add this lanyard opportunity to the sponsors
brochure as general.

It could be solved by allowing the generous sponsor to add such lanyard
in the bag, they don't even need to print Debian on it. It seems to be
the default for sponsors above some level, then easier. And surely
having Debconf providing a neutral/debian/debconf (official) lanyard
together with the badge. As I remember my very nice Debian lanyard was
made in Germany, which might make things easier for the team. I can try
to track it for you.

Also, you may know that I'm personally against brands in official
lanyards for Debconf.

Thanks a lot Patty for bringing this to the -team.

Bests,

On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 05:52:04PM -0800, Patty Langasek wrote:
 Hello, team!
 
 The Sponsors team has recently had a generous offer from one our sponsors to
 sponsor the lanyards.  These would be DC15-specific lanyards and would have
 the sponsors logo (not as prominent as the DC15 logo) on them as well. 
 We're currently in discussions on how to fit this into our sponsorship
 heirarchy, and want to get back to the sponsor soon (within the next 3 days)
 so they can plan out their 2015 budget.
 
 Before we move forward with the proposal, I wanted to get feedback from the
 team at large about this. I'm incuding a snip from Brian's email regarding
 the proposal.
 
 Thanks, everyone! I look forward to hearing thoughts on the matter,
 Patty
 
 - Forwarded message from Brian Gupta brian.gu...@brandorr.com -
 
 In our meeting on Tuesday it was mentioned that one of the potential
 sponsors wanted to provide the official DebConf lanyards. They would
 be imprinted with DebConf15 but also feature the sponsors logo,
 perhaps in a smaller font than the DebConf15 imprint.)
 
 Although, we did agree if they didn't want to make it the official
 lanyard, they could always just put it in the swag bag, at no extra
 charge, we could not come to a consensus on whether to accept this
 without charging them an additional fee to allow prominent logo
 placement.
 
 * They would be responsible for getting the lanyards manufactured.
 (Estimated value 400-500 EU)
 
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Re: [Debconf-team] Sponsored lanyards, a proposal

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On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 06:54:42AM +0100, Richard Hartmann wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 4:44 AM, Tiago Bortoletto Vaz ti...@debian.org 
 wrote:
  Also, you may know that I'm personally against brands in official
  lanyards for Debconf.
 
 The official t-shirts will be branded as well; as will be the banners,
 the video streams, and the website.
 
 What makes lanyards so different?

Not lanyard specific, just a matter of resistance of branding debconf
too much. Same opinion I've expressed regarding other uneeded branding
wishes.

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Re: [Debconf-team] Sponsored lanyards, a proposal

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Hi,

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 06:48:27AM +0100, martin f krafft wrote:
 also sprach Tiago Bortoletto Vaz ti...@debian.org [2014-11-25 04:44 +0100]:
  I find it's a bit late to add this lanyard opportunity to the
  sponsors brochure as general.
 
 Noone is proposing this. But since we anticipated ideas like this
 one, we did include in the brochure the following sentence:
 
   We will be happy to listen to your individual ideas and wishes for
   how to make the conference an unforgettable event for our
   participants.
 
 to give us the freedom to incorporate ideas at a later point in
 time.
 
  It could be solved by allowing the generous sponsor to add such
  lanyard in the bag, they don't even need to print Debian on it.
 
 The particular sponsor offered to print high-quality lanyards
 specifically to be used as the conference lanyards. Suggesting to
 them to have the lanyard in the bag and possibly even providing out
 own lanyards would be quite rude I think.
 
 It helps to emphasise that the logo placement on the logos would be
 inobtrusive. Martin Zobel-Helas showed us a lanyard from another
 conference sponsored by the very same sponsor at the BSP last
 weekend and not only was it high-quality and nice, I think everyone
 present also agreed that the logo was unoffensive. This was the main
 thing we were worried about from the start as we are aware of
 opinions on this matter.

I think I made my point clear and this doesn't not change my mind,
sorry. But I'm not going to fight against this time, nor I'm going to
join the sponsor team, so if no one else has opposed just go ahead.

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Re: [Debconf-team] Sponsored lanyards, a proposal

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On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 11:19:32AM +0100, martin f krafft wrote:
 A reply to everyone, not Marga, but in this context:
 
 also sprach Margarita Manterola margamanter...@gmail.com [2014-11-26 09:50 
 +0100]:
  This last part was not agreed and is not a decision to be taken by
  the fundraising team.  If we are not getting them for free, I'd
  rather we sponsored more people than spend money earned through
  the hard work of the fundraising team on making the official
  lanyards.
 
 Note that the sponsor would have possibly given us *more* money on
 top for the logo placement, which would have allowed us to support
 more attendees in addition to the money saved (one travel from the
 US, or four people sponsored for the entire week). That sounds
 (sounded) like a win-win situation to me. However, during the
 meeting it was stated that sponsoring extra people was not
 a justification. Wtf?
 
 The first of our primary DebConf goals is to enable face-to-face
 interactions, and not minimise attendee exposure to sponsor logos.
 It had been my understanding that the main job of the fundraising
 team was to acquire the means to extend this goal to as many people
 as possible including those who could themselves never afford to
 attend. This is what motivated me so far, and what gave rise to all
 my ideas how we could take in more money.
 
 I find it baffling how some people categorically opposed the
 sponsored lanyards now without even bothering to find out more, e.g.
 the size of the logo. Have you considered that those of us involved
 had already made sure that we weren't proposing brightly coloured
 Ubuntu lanyards or huge sponsor logos with tiny DebConf text
 between, by the time we (had to) discuss the idea in public?
 
 Had we just gone ahead, I am fairly certain that noone would have
 noticed the logo or we could have contained any complaints fairly
 easily. Instead, we flogged down the horse before it was born
 because in the past under different circumstances something not
 quite alike was tried and caused an uproar in the orga team(s) back
 then. We still had lanyards and happy attendees though…
 
 While it's great that we could always make do with
 strings-for-lanyards etc., we should also not forget that sponsors
 are going to be less likely to give us money in the future if we
 give off the impression of an ad-hoc organisation on a shoestring,
 or if they find out that even some people in the orga team are
 opposed to corporate logos infiltrating our event the way some of us
 seem to be.
 
 Apart from that, I would have loved to have had lanyards that are
 worth keeping for their functional purpose and as a memory,
 especially if they'd been produced for us and for free.
 
 But after the team decision (by which I really just mean another
 instance of lack of trust in the ability of others to make
 judgements), we are now either left without lanyards, or with an
 additional task to worry about and an additional position in the
 budget.
 
 Maybe those so vocally opposed could now engage actively in
 fundraising, dig up the funds, and produce those lanyards?

No, because actually lanyards are not needed.

You're assuming so many weird things about people here. Could you agree
with the decision of you own team and close this so useless subject?

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Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf dinner: which style

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

Hi Richard,

On 2014-12-05 01:55, Richard Hartmann wrote:

Dear all,

for both sizing and pricing information, we need to nail down a few 
specifics.


I think we all agree that it will be

* sit-down
* in one common room/area

but do we want:

* a la carte
* pre-selected menu
* large common plates on each table to pick from
* buffet


Personally, I am leaning towards common plates or buffet as that's
more lively and the latter increases mingling and interaction. It also
solves the problem of portions which are too small/large, etc.


That's also my opinion.

Another point I'd like to bring is the 'ritual' part of the dinner. I've 
really missed that in the recent conferences. I remember it in my first 
DebConfs, where we had a short speech from the DPL (and by anyone 
willing to talk) opening the dinner. This was quite special, we all 
together in a so positive energy... we need that :) I know it doesn't 
depend only on local logistics, but in part it does (eg. try to wait for 
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Re: [Debconf-team] DC16 timeline, bid decision committee and next steps

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

Hi,

On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 08:17:58PM +0100, Margarita Manterola wrote:
 We have two great bids for DC16 and now need to establish the rest of the
 timeline to reach a decision regarding who will get to carry Pollito home
 at the end of DC15 :).
 
 At this point, anyone interested in DebConf should feel free to start
 looking at the bids ([1] and [2]), to point out any needed clarifications,
 request additional information when necessary, make suggestions, etc.
 
 Please do not wait until the last minute, do start looking at the bids now.
 
 [1]: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Bids/Cape_Town
 [2]: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Bids/Montreal
 
 At the same time, we need to assemble the committee that will lead the bid
 decision meeting, so that we can have said meeting in the near future
 (forseeably in January).
 
 For the past couple of years, we've had two meetings, a first meeting where
 some questions were asked, problems were pointed out, action items for the
 bid teams were proposed, etc.  And a second meeting where the actual
 decision took place.
 
 I'm not too convinced of the two-meeting format, the committee is composed
 from a lot of people with very different timezones, and getting them all
 together for both meetings means a lot of time and energy spent on that,
 for very little benefit.

I'm not sure if one meeting is enough for a such important decision :\
But yes, we could actually try this one-meeting format as an experience
and if things go wrong we call a second one.

 Instead, I'd rather have only one (the decision meeting), and have all the
 other conversation be done over the mailing list in advance.

 Forming the committee has been up to now a task performed by the DebConf
 chairs, and we have agreed that they will do this again this year.  They
 will contact previous committee members to ask them if they are still
 interested.  On top of this, each of the new DebConf teams should appoint
 one representative to the committee.

 Once we have the committee defined (I'd really like to have this happen
 ASAP), we will need to set a date and time for the decision meeting, which
 is always a very complicated and tricky, but it should happen in early/mid
 January.  We should aim for deciding and not dragging our feet, and only in
 case of not being able to decide, postpone to a second meeting.

It was previously announced that a decision would be made by the end of
January. Can we keep this? Considering the upcoming christmas holidays,
bids teams will have only ~two weeks from now to get things done (at
least getting details which depend on interacting with venues' people)
in case it's made in early January.

 During the whole time up until the decision meeting day, everyone (those
 involved in the committee as well as those not involved) should keep
 scrutinizing the bids to make sure that there are no possible holes.
 
 Please voice any concerns you may have with this now.  We will also have a
 slot to discuss this in real time on the next Coordination Team meeting.

Thanks Marga,

ps: as someone playing a sort of mentor for Montreal's bid this I won't
be wearing my committee hat this year, although I intend to annoy both
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Re: [Debconf-team] DC15 - Sprints during DebCamp (and DebConf)

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On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 06:54:16PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote:
 also sprach Tassia Camoes Araujo tas...@acaia.ca [2015-01-19 18:16 +0100]:
  Just to be super clear: in this new structure, will someone be
  able to participate in DebCamp because it collaborates with
  persons X, Y and Z, considering that face-to-face interactions are
  beneficial to their work, aka Debian, even though they do not fit
  in any sprint?
 
 What keeps those four people from sprinting?

The point is: what about those who have a non-sprint plan? Will they be
considered by boursaries team? Or do we want them to pretend a sprint to
just convince the burocratics that they will be doing some work during
Debcamp?

 All we're asking is for
 people to come with somewhat of a plan, not unprepared. Nobody will
 force them to stick to the plan once they're here, but not having
 any plan when attending may also mean keeping other people from
 doing work.

Nobody has said Debcamp should sponsor people without a work plan. The
question is about those who want to get work done without
organizing/submiting something in a form of a sprint. Is there any
objection on this? Can we agree that they are not mutually exclusive?

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Re: [Debconf-team] DC15 - Sprints during DebCamp (and DebConf)

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On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 07:15:27PM +0100, Margarita Manterola wrote:
 Hi,
 
  The point is: what about those who have a non-sprint plan?
  Will they be considered by boursaries team?
 
 The bursaries team will need to decide what they will do, and nothing
 in my mail claimed otherwise.
 
 We want to strongly encourage people to participate in the sprints and
 see how that goes.
 
 The goal of the sprints is to help people work in teams, both for
 those that want people to work with them and for those that want to
 help but are unsure how. The goal is not to magically solve the
 problem that some people don't work during DebCamp (those people could
 sign up for a sprint and then don't do anything anyway).
 
 My mail INTENTIONALLY doesn't say that participating in a sprint is a
 requirement for DebCamp because this was criticized in the original
 proposal. It says that bursaries should take into account sprint
 participation, not the other way round.

Fine then.

Can we have a word from bursaries team on this?

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Re: [Debconf-team] Question to Cape Town team: transportation to/from the venue

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

Hi,

On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 03:46:42PM +0200, Bernelle Verster wrote:

[...]

 I am wondering if we should also consider trying to get a deal with rental
 car companies, and doing some sort of 'internal Uber', where the people who
 really want to, can rent a car as long as they offer trips to others, and
 then we can provide cash for fuel or something like that. Then supplement
 with coaches/buses for the trips with larger attendance...

That sounds a good idea. Interested people would definitely be able to
organize shifts in the wikipage once we have some cars available. This
has happened with private attendees cars in the past.

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Re: [Debconf-team] Question to Cape Town team: transportation to/from the venue

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 03:16:11PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote:
 also sprach Tiago Bortoletto Vaz ti...@debian.org [2015-01-27 15:05 +0100]:
  That sounds a good idea. Interested people would definitely be
  able to organize shifts in the wikipage once we have some cars
  available. This has happened with private attendees cars in the
  past.
 
 I am afraid no global rental car company will enter such a deal for
 insurance reasons, so either you find a local one or, uh, buy a few
 cars and prepare to sell them after the conference ;)

Hmm, right. Or maybe having some generous local car owners who would be
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Re: [Debconf-team] Resignation

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

Hi,

Sad to see you leaving. Happy to know you'll be taking better care of
your health now. As someone who had taken the same decision (due the
very same circustances) before I totally understand your position. I
hope your decision brings some serious reflexion on this. DebConf has
lost (again) some wonderful and very commited friends. Sadly, it seems
the same vocal minority keeps contaminating the ambience, for reasons
that, frankly, I can't just believe are for the good of the project.

You're really brave and have all my respect, thanks so much for
everything you have done for DebConf.

Bests,

On Tue, Oct 06, 2015 at 03:27:09PM +0300, Martín Ferrari wrote:
> DebConf team members, Debian Project Leader,
> 
> We have tried hard to build something that would make DebConf work more
> inclusive, diverse and enjoyable for everybody involved, because first
> and foremost we care about the people who work hard year after year to
> make the conference happen.
> 
> Sadly, our efforts have been met with such a resistance by a very vocal
> minority, that in the end the atmosphere has become unbearably toxic --
> for us and for many others. For the benefit of the team, but more
> importantly for our own health, we have decided to step down.
> 
> Despite working very hard for a long time trying to follow our mandate,
> it has become patently clear that some people will keep boycotting any
> efforts at consensus-building until their particular vision is applied.
> The "argue until everyone else goes away" approach, which has previously
> driven away a number of long-term team members, has now succeeded even
> with us Chairs.
> 
> We do not take this decision lightly. We care deeply about this
> conference: it has been a very important part of our life for a long
> time. Not only have we spent way too much time on DebConf since our
> delegation as Chairs: we have been involved for many years, some of us
> for almost a decade, and two of us were local team at some point, with
> the incredibly hard work that it entails.
> 
> We believe the course which is being pushed for the organisation team to
> take is going to be detrimental for both the conference and for the
> volunteers who have graciously donated their free time to make it
> happen. But we no longer believe that we are capable of steering the
> team into another direction.
> 
> In conclusion, effective immediately, we resign from the position of
> DebConf Chairs.
> 
> It is up to the DPL to decide whether to appoint a replacement or to
> leave the position vacant. We will refrain from being involved in that
> process.
> 
> We wish you all good luck, and we sincerely hope things will change for
> the better.
> 
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[Debconf-team] [Mtl's bid] Input needed regarding accomodation

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

Hey all,

We're considering using class rooms inside the venue as dormitories for
some attendees. This arrangement is not yet a solid proposal, but it
seems totally doable in both venues we're contacting, and it'd reduce a
lot the costs with accommodation. According to our venues' contacts,
this has been successfully done in previous events.

In that case we'd probably rent basic equipment (beds?) from the local
Red Cross or from another organisation. Each class could host 10-15
people. The big gymnasium could also be used, but in that case it'd look
more like an indoor camping thing = less privacy (and more fun...?) Both
venues seem to provide enough bathroom/showers, details will come soon.

Before estimating costs and making a real proposal we'd like to have
some input from experienced debconfers:

- Do you think it could work for DebConf?

- Do you think is it possible to estimate ~how many attendees would be
  comfortable with this arrangement? Could a sort of poll help here?

- Any other idea? (regarding physical layout, noise rules etc)

We'll be soon contacting the hotels which are located close to each
venue option, and your input will help us to prepare the price quota
requests.

It may also help estimating the amount of extra rooms needed in the
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[Debconf-team] [Mtl's bid team] Minutes from last meeting

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

Hi all,

Montreal's DC17 bid team had a nice presential meeting on Dec 22nd and
I'll try to summarize what was discussed.

The main point of the meeting was to present to everybody the current
status of our two main venue options: College de Maisonneuve and École
de technologie supérieure (ÉTS). Jerome (lavamind) is the main contact
with C. de Maisonneuve and presented the costs we'd have to host the
conference there. The discussion with C. de Maisonneuve is in a quite
advanced stage and we have already in hands details about prices,
procedures and restrictions. The related document will be available soon
in our git repository.

For details about College de Maisonneuve venue see
https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf17/Bids/Montreal/Venues/CollegeDeMaisonneuve

Alexandre Viau (aviau) is a new member in the team, and being a student
at ÉTS and member of the Maison du Logiciel Libre committee, will be our
contact with the École de technologie supérieure. ÉTS infrastrucutre
seems to be totally ok for hosting DebConf, and their strongest point
now is their intention to offer all facilities for free, incluing
security fees and so on.

For details about ÉTS venue see
https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf17/Bids/Montreal/Venues/EcoleDeTechnologieSuperieure

Some actions that should be taken after this meeting:

- Alexandre will ask ÉTS an intention letter, saying that they want to host
  DebConf17 for free. That might be done in the middle of January.

- We need estimated costs for hosting attendees in hotels close the the
  venue. Jerome will check prices from Hotel Universel and Alexandre
  will check with Mariot. Tiago will ask old DebConfers some details
  about lodging, for instance an estimation of the amount of people who
  wouldn't be comfortable with our current indoor arragements.

- Alexandre and Jerome are the persons who will answers the questions
  realted to the venues in the dc-team list. Other generic questions may
  need a collaborative work by team members and we'll make it in the IRC
  channel.

- Alexandre will check details about visa and for now he's the person
  responsible to collect information about this subject. Updates in the
  wiki may be needed.

- Pollo will keep poking Red Cross for equipment rental.

- Alexandre will contact Turisme Montréal to see what kind of assistance
  they can provide for an international conference like DebConf.

- Tiago will create a project (in Alioth?) for hosting our documents.

- At least 6 team members seem to be able to join DebConf16 in Cape Town
  and work close to the local organisers. They should add this
  information in the wikipage.

- We'll make a clearer comparative table in the wikipage for the two
  current venue options. We agreed that we won't make a decision now about
  which one is the main venue. We'll rather provide all the information
  for the DC commitee and discuss with them before making a choice.

- From now all team members should be subscribed to the dc-team list and
  should be present in the dc-team IRC channel.

- Tiago will add a section in the wikipage for people to add original
  ideas for DebConf17 in Montreal. Some really nice ones came up during
  the meeting but I'll let them to be elaborated in the wiki :)

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Re: [Debconf-team] DC17 bids: Montreal venues

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

Hi Moray,

On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 10:03:06PM +0100, mo...@sermisy.org wrote:
> For the Montreal DC17 bid:
> 
> For Collège de Maisonneuve, how long does it take to walk from there to an
> area with more bars/restaurants etc.?  How is the journey by public
> transport?

As Alexandre said, it's about 20min to downtown from public transport.
Also, there are plenty of bars/restaurants/cafés close to the Collège de
Maisonneuve, in a walking distance of ~10-15min. See the "Promenade
Ontario" in the map, which is 3 blocks from the potential venue:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/45.5479/-73.5498

Two team members live in the neighborhood and have pointed some nice
places that we'll include in the wiki soon.

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[Debconf-team] [Mtl bid] Budget estimation table

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

Hi,

As requested in the status meeting, we managed to make a more readable
budget estimation for DC17. See it in our bid wiki page:

https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf17/Bids/Montreal#BUDGET_estimation_.28.7E300_debconfers_.2F_.7E60_debcampers.29

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Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf17 bids - DebConf Committee

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

Hi,

On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 07:02:24PM +0100, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
> Hi Martin, hi all,
> > 
> > Are there any reasons for why we couldn't all read the wiki pages
> > (again), engage in a bit more dialogue on the list and simply call
> > for a final decision meeting in the near future, e.g. right after
> > you get back from your trip? Everyone's time is limited (including
> > that of the bid teams).
> 
> I was trying to not diverge too much away from the process. But if 
> there's no strong objection to skipping directly to the Bid Decision 
> Meeting, that works for me too!

As far as I can remember this was a tragic experience.

If a meeting before the decision meeting has no many points to discuss,
then it will be quick and no precious time from committee will be spent.
But I'm certain it worths keeping it, just to give people the chance to
be surprised. And to avoid flaming about the need of having or not
another meeting.

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Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf17 bids - DebConf Committee

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 10:48:26AM +1300, martin f krafft wrote:
> also sprach Tiago Bortoletto Vaz <ti...@debian.org> [2016-01-27 03:56 +1300]:
> > > I was trying to not diverge too much away from the process. But
> > > if there's no strong objection to skipping directly to the Bid
> > > Decision Meeting, that works for me too!
> >
> > As far as I can remember this was a tragic experience.
> 
> It was made tragic by some, yes. It came quite as a surprise to most
> that we even had to have a second meeting in the last two years.
> 
> > If a meeting before the decision meeting has no many points to
> > discuss, then it will be quick and no precious time from committee
> > will be spent.
> 
> If we have the necessary discipline to do this, then sure, having
> a point of synchronisation is never wrong. Still, questions and team
> introductions should probably still happen on the mailing list
> before the meeting, don't you think?

Yes, I think. But that never happens.

> And it should go without saying that all committee members are
> familiar with the bids and the mailing list discussions by the time
> the meeting commences.

> Let's try not to enslave us to protocols too much. Several times in
> the past and especially in the last two years, a bid decision could
> have been made during (or even before) the status meeting, but we
> shunned it for the sake of sticking to "the procedure". Of course
> it's important to be fair to all teams, but let's not ignore the
> signs and rule out the possibility to fast-track the decision when
> it's quite clear that not much will change in the two weeks between
> meetings.
> 
> An earlier decision and one less meeting puts the winning team on
> track faster, and wastes less time of the committee and the other
> teams, who should be encouraged to try again next year. Sometimes it
> might even make sense to cast a decision for the next two years!
> 
> Keep in mind: the committee's decision is a guess at who'll be able
> to pull off a good conference. It's not a guarantee for a good
> conference, and we should not treat it as the holy grail. As always,
> a decision made earlier is better than taking too long to make
> a perfect decision. Once a decision is made, bid plans turn into
> a concrete, tangible challenge and eventually into a successful
> conference…

If I write two more emails on this thread I'll be spending more time
than joining a bid status meeting. So it doesn't make any sense to keep
arguing. My opinion remains the same. The committe decides.

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Re: [Debconf-team] [Debconf-video] subtitling 101

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

Hi there,

On Wed, May 04, 2016 at 12:50:10AM +, shirish शिरीष wrote:
> in-line :-
> 
> On 03/05/2016, alberto fuentes  wrote:
> > moving this to debconfsubs-team ml
> >
> > reply inline
> 
> Dear alberto,
> One more query, why is debconfsubs team on the alioth infrastructure,
> shouldn't it have been on the debconf infrastructure along with other
> mailing lists ?
[...]

It'd be nice to move this thread away from dc-team anyway, it's getting
too much, mainly for those subscribed in those three lists where the
messages are being sent.

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[Debconf-team] [DC17] Help with catering contract

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

Hi team,

I'm reviewing the contract of the catering service for DebConf17 and
have the following questions:

- Are we going to provide breakfast on the departure date (Aug 13)? I
  suppose yes, but need a confirmation from the team. Also, an
  estimate of the amount of attendees who leave the conference in the
  very last day would be very helpful. Otherwise I'll guess something
  beetwen 60 and 100.

- I need some basic information (name/phone/email) about the
  entity/person who will sign the contract.

- For the formal diner: we've agreed to consider having a special diner
  in the venue and a live music party afterwards at the Olimpic Tower
  rather than just going out for a diner. In that case I'd ask the
  catering company to prepare a special menu for that night. Can we
  agree with that? They may charge a bit more for this.

The contract is in our ownCloud instance* under "Food" directory. It's
written in French.

* https://debconf17-owncloud.univers-libre.net/

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[Debconf-team] What's missing on wafer to open CFP & registration?

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

Hi all,

I'm about to organize a local hacking session for dc17 website, mostly
for the call for proposals and registration modules on wafer. Could any
wafer-meister point me what's exactly missing on that and help me to
prepare a todolist?

I'm also at #debconf-team.

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[Debconf-team] dc17 haz no website, let's fix it!

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

Hi gang,

We're quite advanced in some fronts for DC17 (yay!), but it seems the
website is blocked somewhere, and it'd be really bad if we start 2017
without at least a proper layout with basic information for our dear
attendees.

So, let's do some moving here :)

I propose a hacking/bier/sprint/whatever dedicated to it. I'm out of
town from Dec25, but any datetime before that works for me. Can be
anywhere in Montreal. If you like to be in the woods we can make it at
my place (Baie-D'Urfé). Otherwise we can meet more downtown-ish.

I know nothing about Wafer. But I'm willing to learn and help.

We need at least the following in order to make it happen:

- remote tumbleweed, aka Wafer Meister
- noel, aka Django Meister
- the rest of us, aka The Rest of Us

Please confirm you like the idea and you'd be available for that, then I
come back with a more concrete plan.

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Re: [Debconf-team] dc17 haz no website, let's fix it!

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

Keerthana,

On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 11:04:45AM +0530, Keerthana Krishnan wrote:
> Hi Guys,
> 
> Thanks for bringing this up Tiago. This is definately one of the more
> > pressing issues right now. I also fear the current situation may be
> > hurting our fundraising efforts. Several prospective sponsors have asked
> > us to ping them again in January, so we really should sort out at least
> > the public-facing bits by then.
> 
> 
> Im not sure but if you can have off-field volunteers for helping you with
> the website, but if possible, I'd be happy to help. I have previous
> experience working on website development so I can definitely help build a
> good looking front end about DC17 with Bootstrap to start off with where we
> can put in the important public data. We can modify and add more onto it
> later on. Please do let me know if that's what you need or if there's
> something similar you think I can help with. I'm also good at managing
> content in websites.

Thanks, your help is very welcome. We actually have the design done by
Valessio, see: http://valessiobrito.com.br/dc17/. The main blocker now
is migrating the stlyle to our Wafer instance at
https://debconf17.debconf.org/. I have no idea how to make it happen,
that's why I'm trying to put the masters together :)

> >
> >
> > I can't guarantee I'd be available at the chosen time, but I'll try to
> > make it. Weekends or weekday evenings would work best for me.
> >
> 
> Ps. My timezone is UTC+5:30 (Indian Standard Time) so I might not be able
> to sync with your timings too well but I'll try my best.

I'm trying to find a date which is good for our locals and I'll let you
know once we have it fixed.

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Re: [Debconf-team] dc17 haz no website, let's fix it!

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

Hi again,

So, it seems we'll be better to postpone this meeting. We've got a good
reason for this. With recent interactions in the dc-team IRC, mostly
with help from cate and tumbleweed we were able to unblock the blockers.

A wafer test instance is online with the applied css style from Valessio
and we've got proper access to it. Now it's a matter of adding some more
content before deploying it to the production instance.

I'll keep working on this myself and poking/bothering people in the
channel :)

Bests,

On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 09:52:00AM +, Gabriel Filion wrote:
> Tiago Bortoletto Vaz:
> > I propose a hacking/bier/sprint/whatever dedicated to it. I'm out of
> > town from Dec25, but any datetime before that works for me. Can be
> > anywhere in Montreal. If you like to be in the woods we can make it at
> > my place (Baie-D'Urfé). Otherwise we can meet more downtown-ish.
> 
> > Please confirm you like the idea and you'd be available for that, then I
> > come back with a more concrete plan.
> 
> I'm up for a sprint! any time before 23rd except on the 18th.
> 
> for the sprint, the best thing would be to try and have some VMs+wafer.
> I can try and have a jessie with this installed in my vagrant setup.
> 
> I invite others who can also have such a setup to prepare it before the
> sprint. this way we'll be able to test different changes.
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Re: [Debconf-team] dc17 haz no website, let's fix it!

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

Hi,

On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 10:28:18PM +0530, Keerthana Krishnan wrote:
> Hi Tiago!
> 
> On 12 December 2016 at 20:16, Tiago Bortoletto Vaz <ti...@debian.org> wrote:
> 
> > Keerthana,
> >
> > Thanks, your help is very welcome. We actually have the design done by
> > Valessio, see: http://valessiobrito.com.br/dc17/. The main blocker now
> > is migrating the stlyle to our Wafer instance at
> > https://debconf17.debconf.org/. I have no idea how to make it happen,
> > that's why I'm trying to put the masters together :)
> >
> 
> Cool! That logo animation looks awesome! Can you give me permission to
> access the website code?

Sure: https://anonscm.debian.org/git/debconf-data/dc17.git

> >
> > I'm trying to find a date which is good for our locals and I'll let you
> > know once we have it fixed.
> >
> 
> Of course, I understand. Hopefully, I can help! :D

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Re: [Debconf-team] Travel Sponsorship

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 09:04:43AM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> 
> 
> On 12/04/17 22:53, Jerome Charaoui wrote:
> > Le 2017-04-12 à 16:38, Marcelo Gutierrez a écrit :
> >> Hi there!
> >>
> >> I just wanted to know if there is still time to apply for
> >> sponsorship for DC17
> > 
> > Yes, it is still time. The deadline is May 10th, but we encourage you to
> > do it as soon as possible. Registrations are now open.
> > 
> 
> Could somebody please send an official announcement?  The last
> announcement was in March[1] and it just says "We are still working on
> our registration timeline" so maybe some people are still waiting to
> hear more about it.

Will be spread in a few hours (minutes?). At the time Jerome answered
him, the registration had just been opened. It was a (good) surprise to
me and others from orga as well.

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Re: [Debconf-team] Content team: Our current status, next steps

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

Hi Molly, self-scheduled activities can be anything from talks, BoFs to
arts performance :)

On 07/20/2017 11:15 AM, Molly de Blanc wrote:
> Are self-scheduled sessions exclusively talks, or is this also time for
> more BoFs, planning meetings, action sessions, etc?
> 
> -m.
> 
> On 07/20/2017 10:16 AM, Holger Levsen wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 12:28:59PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
>>> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 09:50:21AM +0200, Michael Banck wrote:
 7. There will be no video-team support for any self-scheduled sessions.
>>> I would make that "no guaranteed video-team support". If it is in a room
>>> with video equipment, we may be able to come up with volunteers, but
>>> that's difficult to guarantee on short notice.
>>
>> exactly this happens each year again. we say there will be no video at
>> self scheduled sessions, then there is equipment and thus the expectation
>> that there will be video… 
>>
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Re: [Debconf-team] espace kiosque lors de la journée portes ouvertes, était: Ouverture des soumissions pour la journée portes ouvertes DebCon17

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

Hi znoteer, Mathieu,

I've just added to the Open Day schedule the following activity:

"Le projet Services FACiLes: qu'est-ce que c'est et comment participer? /
The Services FACiLes Project: what is it and how to get involved? " by
Mathieu Gauthier-Pilote

It's scheduled as a 45min talk on Aug 5th at 6pm.

The full Open Day / DebConf program can be found at
https://debconf17.debconf.org/schedule/

Don't hesitate if you have any questions.

Bests,

On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 01:02:35PM -0400, znot...@mailbox.org wrote:
> (an English translation follows for the debconf-team mailing list)
> 
> Bonjour Mathieu,
> 
> > Le 25 juillet 2017 à 10:11, Mathieu Gauthier-Pilote a écrit :
> > 
> > Le 2017-04-21 à 15:38, znot...@hailmail.net a écrit :
> > > Nous sommes à la recherche de présentations, d'activités participatives
> > > ou de toutes autres activités à propos de Debian et des logiciels
> > > libres. Les activités en français et en anglais sont les bienvenues.
> > 
> > Juste pour confirmer : y a-t-il un espace pour des kiosques ?
> 
> Oui, il y aura un espace pour étaler votre matériel.  Présentez-vous à 
> l'accueil DebConf quand vous arrivez.  Quelqu'un vous dirigera vers le bon 
> endroit.
> 
> Bonne journée,
> 
> znoteer
> 
> ---translation---
> 
> Mathieu asked in the original email if there would be space for kiosks during 
> Open Day.  I replied that there would be.  I suggested he bring his things to 
> the Front Desk when he arrives on site so that someone could direct him to 
> where he could set up his display.
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Re: [Debconf-team] art at DebConf17

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

Hi Max, the local organizers had a meeting yesterday and we all agreed
that it'd be a pleasure to have your art in DebConf!

The best thing you can do now in order to help us deciding what'd be the
best format is submitting one or more proposals via our website:

https://debconf17.debconf.org/cfp/

Also, we'll contact you very soon about the possibility of having a
performance during the official conference party on 10 August if you're
available.

Don't hesitate if you have any questions.

Bests,

On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 05:06:00PM -0400, Max D wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> I just saw that DebConf17 is in Montreal where I live. Some of you might
> know me as the co-founder of Foulab, the local hackerspace. Since my Foulab
> days I have been making lots of art with computers and showing it at
> festival in north America and Europe. I would be more then happy to bring
> some art at DebConf for all to enjoy.
> 
> If the space permits it I could bring one of my kinetic sculptures which is
> powered by Debian(Bunsenlabs) and PureData. Other wise I could do a
> interactive drawing/projection activity based on my software called
> Freeliner. An other option is if there is a party, I could create
> projections/lighting also with Freeliner.
> 
> Here are some links to some videos.
> http://www.nnvtn.ca/
> 
> I would be happy to meet up with local organizers if there is interest :)
> 
> Happy hacking,
> Maxime Damecour

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