Re: arch, svn, cvs

On Thu, Sep 01, 2005 at 11:05:11PM +0200, Tristan Seligmann wrote: > * Thaddeus H. Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-08-31 15:13:30 +]: > > > This is an interesting thread: cvs, svn, arch, tla, baz, > > bzr, git, .. (have I forgotten any?). Lurking, > > darcs, mercurial, monotone, codeville,

Re: arch, svn, cvs

* Thaddeus H. Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-08-31 15:13:30 +]: > This is an interesting thread: cvs, svn, arch, tla, baz, > bzr, git, .. (have I forgotten any?). Lurking, darcs, mercurial, monotone, codeville, vesta, dcvs, superversion, siveco, bky, ... -- mithrandi, i Ainil en-Balandor,

Re: arch, svn, cvs

On Wed, 2005-08-31 at 00:17 +0200, martin f krafft wrote: > Could you please elaborate on this? Hmm. Where to start :0. perhaps with storage. bzr currently stores the different variations of each file that is versioned in 'stores', which are a collection of files named by their hash, gzipped. (Its

Re: arch, svn, cvs

John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 03:13:30PM +, Thaddeus H. Black wrote: >> This is an interesting thread: cvs, svn, arch, tla, baz, >> bzr, git, .. (have I forgotten any?). Lurking, > > Darcs! My favorite tool these days, incredibly easy to use, and seems >

Re: arch, svn, cvs

* John Goerzen: > On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 03:13:30PM +, Thaddeus H. Black wrote: >> This is an interesting thread: cvs, svn, arch, tla, baz, >> bzr, git, .. (have I forgotten any?). Lurking, > > Darcs! My favorite tool these days, incredibly easy to use, and seems > to Do The Right Thing (T

Re: arch, svn, cvs

also sprach Thaddeus H. Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.08.31.1713 +0200]: > A little digging with Google finds this [1] by David A. > Wheeler. It provides useful background to the thread, > so the reference is posted here for the benefit of other > confused thread lurkers. More info: http://l

Re: arch, svn, cvs

On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 03:13:30PM +, Thaddeus H. Black wrote: > This is an interesting thread: cvs, svn, arch, tla, baz, > bzr, git, .. (have I forgotten any?). Lurking, Darcs! My favorite tool these days, incredibly easy to use, and seems to Do The Right Thing (TM) with merges more freque

Re: arch, svn, cvs

This is an interesting thread: cvs, svn, arch, tla, baz, bzr, git, .. (have I forgotten any?). Lurking, however, I admit that I was getting a little lost. The thread is as the story whose middle and ending are told, without the beginning. A little digging with Google finds this [1] by David A.

Re: arch, svn, cvs

On Wed, 2005-08-31 at 15:25 +1200, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On 8/31/05, Robert Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > for the record, to avoid other folk getting confused - bzr isn't a > > 'patch orientated SCM'. bzr's design incorporates elements from all of > > the VCS systems around when the pro

Re: arch, svn, cvs

On 8/31/05, Robert Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > for the record, to avoid other folk getting confused - bzr isn't a > 'patch orientated SCM'. bzr's design incorporates elements from all of > the VCS systems around when the project was started (and updated since > then) - its not derived from

Re: arch, svn, cvs

also sprach Robert Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.08.30.2346 +0200]: > for the record, to avoid other folk getting confused - bzr isn't > a 'patch orientated SCM'. bzr's design incorporates elements from > all of the VCS systems around when the project was started (and > updated since then) - it

Re: arch, svn, cvs

On 8/31/05, George Danchev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > How does git aide you in identifying the differences in changes > > between two trees? George's got it right. In practice, I normally use gitk --all, or use cogito thus: cg-log -r onebranch:otherbranch cg-diff -r onebranch:otherbran

Re: arch, svn, cvs

On Wed, 2005-08-31 at 00:04 +1200, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On 8/20/05, Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Compared to SVN from the view of somebody who is acquainted with CVS, > > > arch sucks badly. I tend to agree with most of the things that Florian > > > Weimer lists on http://www

Re: arch, svn, cvs

On Tuesday 30 August 2005 15:32, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Martin Langhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.08.30.1404 +0200]: > > But I'm leaving the Arch (tla/baz/bzr) boat too - patch-oriented SCMs > > were fun, but very disappointing. There is a central design flaw in > > pure patch tracki

Re: arch, svn, cvs

also sprach Martin Langhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.08.30.1404 +0200]: > But I'm leaving the Arch (tla/baz/bzr) boat too - patch-oriented SCMs > were fun, but very disappointing. There is a central design flaw in > pure patch tracking, and neither Arch nor DARCS do anything about it: > no matter

Re: arch, svn, cvs

On 8/20/05, Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Compared to SVN from the view of somebody who is acquainted with CVS, > > arch sucks badly. I tend to agree with most of the things that Florian > > Weimer lists on http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/arch/design-issues.html To which I'd respond

Re: arch, svn, cvs

martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > When we speak about arch these days, we mean baz. Except of course, when we don't... -Miles -- `Suppose Korea goes to the World Cup final against Japan and wins,' Moon said. `All the past could be forgiven.' [NYT] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EM

Re: arch, svn, cvs

* Francesco P. Lovergine: > Comparing svn and arch is like comparing apples and tomatos. They have > completely different purposes (i.e. centralized vs distributed). The purpose is the same (collaboration ona code base), only the means are quite different. The available implemnetations also invo

Re: arch, svn, cvs (was: Bug#323855: ITP: opencvs -- OpenBSD CVS implementation with special emphasis in security)

On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 02:22:26PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:06:49 +0200, "Steinar H. Gunderson" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I'd love to see people migrating to Arch > > Compared to SVN from the view of somebody who is acquainted with CVS, > arch sucks badly. I tend to

Re: arch, svn, cvs

* Peter Samuelson | [Tollef Fog Heen] | > I just stumbled across one issue: it doesn't handle the case where | > you change your encoding without checking out the repository again: | > | > : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/svn/trunk > LANG=en_US.UTF-8 svn st | > svn: Valid UTF-8 data | > (hex: 46) | > follo

Re: arch, svn, cvs (was: Bug#323855: ITP: opencvs -- OpenBSD CVS implementation with special emphasis in security)

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Re: arch, svn, cvs

On Sat, 2005-08-20 at 21:00 +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > >> Greg Hudson contributes an interesting viewpoint: > >> > >> > > > > Well written, but does it contribute to our discussion here? Arch > > and Baz can both be used centrally, and

Re: arch, svn, cvs

[Tollef Fog Heen] > I just stumbled across one issue: it doesn't handle the case where > you change your encoding without checking out the repository again: > > : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/svn/trunk > LANG=en_US.UTF-8 svn st > svn: Valid UTF-8 data > (hex: 46) > followed by invalid UTF-8 sequence > (he

Re: arch, svn, cvs

* "Roberto C. Sanchez" | OK. Then please just name two or three. I am geniunely interested. | I switched from CVS to subversion exclusively for my own use when | Sarge went stable. I still use CVS occasionally since some projects | to which I contribute use CVS (e.g., on sourceforge). I just

Re: arch, svn, cvs

On Sat, Aug 20, 2005 at 03:17:35PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > like a foundation already: a bad release manager chose a pyramidal > model. That's the beginnings of a good inductive argument. Then we > add the other foundation he gives: here's a bunch of well-managed > projects, which use

Re: arch, svn, cvs

Christoph Hellwig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Pretty much every sentence. I didn't want to go through because it's > rather offtopic here, but as you're requesting it: So you disagree with his arguments. That does not warrant your abusive language, or your incorrect claim that his arguments a

Re: arch, svn, cvs

On Sat, Aug 20, 2005 at 02:26:26PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Christoph Hellwig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > It's completely unfounded bullshit. > > Do you have a specific complaint? Or is every single sentence in that > post "unfounded bullshit"? Pretty much every sentence. I

Re: arch, svn, cvs

Christoph Hellwig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, Aug 20, 2005 at 08:57:06PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: >> * Christoph Hellwig: >> >> >> Greg Hudson contributes an interesting viewpoint: >> >> >> >> >> > >> > It's completely unfoun

Re: arch, svn, cvs

On Sat, Aug 20, 2005 at 08:57:06PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Christoph Hellwig: > > >> Greg Hudson contributes an interesting viewpoint: > >> > >> > > > > It's completely unfounded bullshit. Whether you prefer a pyramid > > or lots

Re: arch, svn, cvs

Christoph Hellwig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It's completely unfounded bullshit. Do you have a specific complaint? Or is every single sentence in that post "unfounded bullshit"? > Whether you prefer a pyramid or lots of commiters style organization > is pretty much a personal or rather com

Re: arch, svn, cvs

Florian Weimer, 2005-08-20 20:50:12 +0200 : > * Roland Mas: > >> The Berkeley DB storage backend was an enormously stupid thing, >> but that's been fixed (phew). [...] > I'm storing hundreds of millions of rows in Berkeley DB tables and > have yet to encounter data loss because of bugs in Berkel

Re: arch, svn, cvs

also sprach Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.08.20.2100 +0200]: > arch-pqm still requires that people publish their own repositories. Yeah, that it still a problem which resources like arch.debian.org should deal with, a little better at least. I can't find the link now, but I've also hear

Re: arch, svn, cvs

* martin f. krafft: > also sprach Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.08.19.2146 +0200]: >> The list is somewhat outdated, and it doesn't reflect some things >> I've learnt since I wrote that pamphlet. > > If I find the time, I will contribute my comments to help get the > page up to date. Fe

Re: arch, svn, cvs

* Christoph Hellwig: >> Greg Hudson contributes an interesting viewpoint: >> >> > > It's completely unfounded bullshit. Whether you prefer a pyramid > or lots of commiters style organization is pretty much a personal > or rather community

Re: arch, svn, cvs

* Roland Mas: > The Berkeley DB storage backend was an enormously stupid thing, but > that's been fixed (phew). Keep in mind that Berkeley DB is a limtus test, both for developers and system administrators. Those who don't read manuals fail it. I'm storing hundreds of millions of rows in Berk

Re: arch, svn, cvs

> Greg Hudson contributes an interesting viewpoint: > > It's completely unfounded bullshit. Whether you prefer a pyramid or lots of commiters style organization is pretty much a personal or rather community organizational issue. Both have

OT: Re: arch, svn, cvs (was: Bug#323855: ITP: opencvs -- OpenBSD CVS implementation with special emphasis in security)

On Fri, 19 Aug 2005, Daniel Stone wrote: > On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 02:33:31PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: > > also sprach Marc Haber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.08.19.1422 +0200]: > > > Compared to SVN from the view of somebody who is acquainted with CVS, > > > arch sucks badly. I tend to agree wi

Re: arch, svn, cvs

On Fri, 19 Aug 2005, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Roland Mas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.08.19.2140 +0200]: > > The Berkeley DB storage backend was an enormously stupid thing, but > > that's been fixed (phew). My main gripe with Subversion now is that > > if I'm not mistaken (which I coul

Re: arch, svn, cvs

also sprach Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.08.19.2146 +0200]: > The list is somewhat outdated, and it doesn't reflect some things > I've learnt since I wrote that pamphlet. If I find the time, I will contribute my comments to help get the page up to date. Feel free to prod me in a couple

Re: arch, svn, cvs

also sprach Roland Mas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.08.19.2140 +0200]: > The Berkeley DB storage backend was an enormously stupid thing, but > that's been fixed (phew). My main gripe with Subversion now is that > if I'm not mistaken (which I could very well be, since I've switched > to baz and only

Re: arch, svn, cvs

Roland Mas wrote: > The Berkeley DB storage backend was an enormously stupid thing, but > that's been fixed (phew). My main gripe with Subversion now is that > if I'm not mistaken (which I could very well be, since I've switched > to baz and only use SVN for $HOME/bin/) you can't really do the >

Re: arch, svn, cvs

Roberto C. Sanchez, 2005-08-19 21:00:18 +0200 : > On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 02:33:31PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: [...] >> I won't go through the trouble to compile the extensive list of >> problems and design issues with SVN. > OK. Then please just name two or three. If I may chime in... T

Re: arch, svn, cvs

* Marc Haber: > Compared to SVN from the view of somebody who is acquainted with CVS, > arch sucks badly. I tend to agree with most of the things that Florian > Weimer lists on http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/arch/design-issues.html The list is somewhat outdated, and it doesn't reflect some things

Re: arch, svn, cvs (was: Bug#323855: ITP: opencvs -- OpenBSD CVS implementation with special emphasis in security)

On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 02:33:31PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Marc Haber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.08.19.1422 +0200]: > > Compared to SVN from the view of somebody who is acquainted with CVS, > > arch sucks badly. I tend to agree with most of the things that Florian > > Weimer list

Re: arch, svn, cvs (was: Bug#323855: ITP: opencvs -- OpenBSD CVS implementation with special emphasis in security)

On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 02:22:26PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > Compared to SVN from the view of somebody who is acquainted with CVS, > arch sucks badly. I tend to agree with most of the things that Florian > Weimer lists on http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/arch/design-issues.html Note that it's over

Re: arch, svn, cvs (was: Bug#323855: ITP: opencvs -- OpenBSD CVS implementation with special emphasis in security)

also sprach Marc Haber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.08.19.1422 +0200]: > Compared to SVN from the view of somebody who is acquainted with CVS, > arch sucks badly. I tend to agree with most of the things that Florian > Weimer lists on http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/arch/design-issues.html Looking over

Re: arch, svn, cvs (was: Bug#323855: ITP: opencvs -- OpenBSD CVS implementation with special emphasis in security)

On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 02:33:31PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Marc Haber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.08.19.1422 +0200]: > > Compared to SVN from the view of somebody who is acquainted with CVS, > > arch sucks badly. I tend to agree with most of the things that Florian > > Weimer list

Re: arch, svn, cvs (was: Bug#323855: ITP: opencvs -- OpenBSD CVS implementation with special emphasis in security)

also sprach Marc Haber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.08.19.1422 +0200]: > Compared to SVN from the view of somebody who is acquainted with CVS, > arch sucks badly. I tend to agree with most of the things that Florian > Weimer lists on http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/arch/design-issues.html I won't go t

arch, svn, cvs (was: Bug#323855: ITP: opencvs -- OpenBSD CVS implementation with special emphasis in security)

On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:06:49 +0200, "Steinar H. Gunderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I'd love to see people migrating to Arch Compared to SVN from the view of somebody who is acquainted with CVS, arch sucks badly. I tend to agree with most of the things that Florian Weimer lists on http://www.en