* Thaddeus H. Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-08-31 15:13:30 +]:
This is an interesting thread: cvs, svn, arch, tla, baz,
bzr, git, .. (have I forgotten any?). Lurking,
darcs, mercurial, monotone, codeville, vesta, dcvs, superversion,
siveco, bky, ...
--
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On Thu, Sep 01, 2005 at 11:05:11PM +0200, Tristan Seligmann wrote:
* Thaddeus H. Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-08-31 15:13:30 +]:
This is an interesting thread: cvs, svn, arch, tla, baz,
bzr, git, .. (have I forgotten any?). Lurking,
darcs, mercurial, monotone, codeville, vesta,
This is an interesting thread: cvs, svn, arch, tla, baz,
bzr, git, .. (have I forgotten any?). Lurking,
however, I admit that I was getting a little lost. The
thread is as the story whose middle and ending are
told, without the beginning.
A little digging with Google finds this [1] by David A.
On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 03:13:30PM +, Thaddeus H. Black wrote:
This is an interesting thread: cvs, svn, arch, tla, baz,
bzr, git, .. (have I forgotten any?). Lurking,
Darcs! My favorite tool these days, incredibly easy to use, and seems
to Do The Right Thing (TM) with merges more
also sprach Thaddeus H. Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.08.31.1713 +0200]:
A little digging with Google finds this [1] by David A.
Wheeler. It provides useful background to the thread,
so the reference is posted here for the benefit of other
confused thread lurkers.
More info:
* John Goerzen:
On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 03:13:30PM +, Thaddeus H. Black wrote:
This is an interesting thread: cvs, svn, arch, tla, baz,
bzr, git, .. (have I forgotten any?). Lurking,
Darcs! My favorite tool these days, incredibly easy to use, and seems
to Do The Right Thing (TM) with
John Goerzen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 03:13:30PM +, Thaddeus H. Black wrote:
This is an interesting thread: cvs, svn, arch, tla, baz,
bzr, git, .. (have I forgotten any?). Lurking,
Darcs! My favorite tool these days, incredibly easy to use, and seems
to Do
On Wed, 2005-08-31 at 00:17 +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
Could you please elaborate on this?
Hmm. Where to start :0. perhaps with storage. bzr currently stores the
different variations of each file that is versioned in 'stores', which
are a collection of files named by their hash, gzipped. (Its
On 8/20/05, Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Compared to SVN from the view of somebody who is acquainted with CVS,
arch sucks badly. I tend to agree with most of the things that Florian
Weimer lists on http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/arch/design-issues.html
To which I'd respond that
also sprach Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.08.30.1404 +0200]:
But I'm leaving the Arch (tla/baz/bzr) boat too - patch-oriented SCMs
were fun, but very disappointing. There is a central design flaw in
pure patch tracking, and neither Arch nor DARCS do anything about it:
no matter how
On Tuesday 30 August 2005 15:32, martin f krafft wrote:
also sprach Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.08.30.1404
+0200]:
But I'm leaving the Arch (tla/baz/bzr) boat too - patch-oriented SCMs
were fun, but very disappointing. There is a central design flaw in
pure patch tracking, and
On Wed, 2005-08-31 at 00:04 +1200, Martin Langhoff wrote:
On 8/20/05, Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Compared to SVN from the view of somebody who is acquainted with CVS,
arch sucks badly. I tend to agree with most of the things that Florian
Weimer lists on
On 8/31/05, George Danchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How does git aide you in identifying the differences in changes
between two trees?
George's got it right. In practice, I normally use gitk --all, or use
cogito thus:
cg-log -r onebranch:otherbranch
cg-diff -r onebranch:otherbranch
also sprach Robert Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.08.30.2346 +0200]:
for the record, to avoid other folk getting confused - bzr isn't
a 'patch orientated SCM'. bzr's design incorporates elements from
all of the VCS systems around when the project was started (and
updated since then) - its not
On 8/31/05, Robert Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
for the record, to avoid other folk getting confused - bzr isn't a
'patch orientated SCM'. bzr's design incorporates elements from all of
the VCS systems around when the project was started (and updated since
then) - its not derived from GNU
On Wed, 2005-08-31 at 15:25 +1200, Martin Langhoff wrote:
On 8/31/05, Robert Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
for the record, to avoid other folk getting confused - bzr isn't a
'patch orientated SCM'. bzr's design incorporates elements from all of
the VCS systems around when the project was
martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
When we speak about arch these days, we mean baz.
Except of course, when we don't...
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* Peter Samuelson
| [Tollef Fog Heen]
| I just stumbled across one issue: it doesn't handle the case where
| you change your encoding without checking out the repository again:
|
| : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/svn/trunk LANG=en_US.UTF-8 svn st
| svn: Valid UTF-8 data
| (hex: 46)
| followed by
On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 02:22:26PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:06:49 +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd love to see people migrating to Arch
Compared to SVN from the view of somebody who is acquainted with CVS,
arch sucks badly. I tend to agree with
* Francesco P. Lovergine:
Comparing svn and arch is like comparing apples and tomatos. They have
completely different purposes (i.e. centralized vs distributed).
The purpose is the same (collaboration ona code base), only the means
are quite different. The available implemnetations also
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* Roberto C. Sanchez
| OK. Then please just name two or three. I am geniunely interested.
| I switched from CVS to subversion exclusively for my own use when
| Sarge went stable. I still use CVS occasionally since some projects
| to which I contribute use CVS (e.g., on sourceforge).
I just
[Tollef Fog Heen]
I just stumbled across one issue: it doesn't handle the case where
you change your encoding without checking out the repository again:
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/svn/trunk LANG=en_US.UTF-8 svn st
svn: Valid UTF-8 data
(hex: 46)
followed by invalid UTF-8 sequence
(hex: f8 72
On Sat, 2005-08-20 at 21:00 +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
Greg Hudson contributes an interesting viewpoint:
http://web.mit.edu/ghudson/thoughts/bitkeeper.whynot
Well written, but does it contribute to our discussion here? Arch
and Baz can both be used centrally, and with a group of
Greg Hudson contributes an interesting viewpoint:
http://web.mit.edu/ghudson/thoughts/bitkeeper.whynot
It's completely unfounded bullshit. Whether you prefer a pyramid
or lots of commiters style organization is pretty much a personal
or rather community organizational issue. Both have
* Roland Mas:
The Berkeley DB storage backend was an enormously stupid thing, but
that's been fixed (phew).
Keep in mind that Berkeley DB is a limtus test, both for developers
and system administrators. Those who don't read manuals fail it.
I'm storing hundreds of millions of rows in
* Christoph Hellwig:
Greg Hudson contributes an interesting viewpoint:
http://web.mit.edu/ghudson/thoughts/bitkeeper.whynot
It's completely unfounded bullshit. Whether you prefer a pyramid
or lots of commiters style organization is pretty much a personal
or rather community
* martin f. krafft:
also sprach Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.08.19.2146 +0200]:
The list is somewhat outdated, and it doesn't reflect some things
I've learnt since I wrote that pamphlet.
If I find the time, I will contribute my comments to help get the
page up to date. Feel free
also sprach Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.08.20.2100 +0200]:
arch-pqm still requires that people publish their own repositories.
Yeah, that it still a problem which resources like arch.debian.org
should deal with, a little better at least. I can't find the link
now, but I've also heard
Florian Weimer, 2005-08-20 20:50:12 +0200 :
* Roland Mas:
The Berkeley DB storage backend was an enormously stupid thing,
but that's been fixed (phew).
[...]
I'm storing hundreds of millions of rows in Berkeley DB tables and
have yet to encounter data loss because of bugs in Berkeley DB
Christoph Hellwig [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It's completely unfounded bullshit.
Do you have a specific complaint? Or is every single sentence in that
post unfounded bullshit?
Whether you prefer a pyramid or lots of commiters style organization
is pretty much a personal or rather community
On Sat, Aug 20, 2005 at 08:57:06PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
* Christoph Hellwig:
Greg Hudson contributes an interesting viewpoint:
http://web.mit.edu/ghudson/thoughts/bitkeeper.whynot
It's completely unfounded bullshit. Whether you prefer a pyramid
or lots of commiters style
Christoph Hellwig [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Sat, Aug 20, 2005 at 08:57:06PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
* Christoph Hellwig:
Greg Hudson contributes an interesting viewpoint:
http://web.mit.edu/ghudson/thoughts/bitkeeper.whynot
It's completely unfounded bullshit. Whether you
On Sat, Aug 20, 2005 at 02:26:26PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
Christoph Hellwig [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It's completely unfounded bullshit.
Do you have a specific complaint? Or is every single sentence in that
post unfounded bullshit?
Pretty much every sentence. I didn't
Christoph Hellwig [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Pretty much every sentence. I didn't want to go through because it's
rather offtopic here, but as you're requesting it:
So you disagree with his arguments. That does not warrant your
abusive language, or your incorrect claim that his arguments are
On Sat, Aug 20, 2005 at 03:17:35PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
like a foundation already: a bad release manager chose a pyramidal
model. That's the beginnings of a good inductive argument. Then we
add the other foundation he gives: here's a bunch of well-managed
projects, which use a
On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:06:49 +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd love to see people migrating to Arch
Compared to SVN from the view of somebody who is acquainted with CVS,
arch sucks badly. I tend to agree with most of the things that Florian
Weimer lists on
also sprach Marc Haber [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.08.19.1422 +0200]:
Compared to SVN from the view of somebody who is acquainted with CVS,
arch sucks badly. I tend to agree with most of the things that Florian
Weimer lists on http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/arch/design-issues.html
I won't go
On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 02:33:31PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
also sprach Marc Haber [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.08.19.1422 +0200]:
Compared to SVN from the view of somebody who is acquainted with CVS,
arch sucks badly. I tend to agree with most of the things that Florian
Weimer lists on
also sprach Marc Haber [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.08.19.1422 +0200]:
Compared to SVN from the view of somebody who is acquainted with CVS,
arch sucks badly. I tend to agree with most of the things that Florian
Weimer lists on http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/arch/design-issues.html
Looking over the
On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 02:22:26PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
Compared to SVN from the view of somebody who is acquainted with CVS,
arch sucks badly. I tend to agree with most of the things that Florian
Weimer lists on http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/arch/design-issues.html
Note that it's over a
On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 02:33:31PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
also sprach Marc Haber [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.08.19.1422 +0200]:
Compared to SVN from the view of somebody who is acquainted with CVS,
arch sucks badly. I tend to agree with most of the things that Florian
Weimer lists on
* Marc Haber:
Compared to SVN from the view of somebody who is acquainted with CVS,
arch sucks badly. I tend to agree with most of the things that Florian
Weimer lists on http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/arch/design-issues.html
The list is somewhat outdated, and it doesn't reflect some things
Roberto C. Sanchez, 2005-08-19 21:00:18 +0200 :
On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 02:33:31PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
[...]
I won't go through the trouble to compile the extensive list of
problems and design issues with SVN.
OK. Then please just name two or three.
If I may chime in...
The
Roland Mas wrote:
The Berkeley DB storage backend was an enormously stupid thing, but
that's been fixed (phew). My main gripe with Subversion now is that
if I'm not mistaken (which I could very well be, since I've switched
to baz and only use SVN for $HOME/bin/) you can't really do the
also sprach Roland Mas [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.08.19.2140 +0200]:
The Berkeley DB storage backend was an enormously stupid thing, but
that's been fixed (phew). My main gripe with Subversion now is that
if I'm not mistaken (which I could very well be, since I've switched
to baz and only use
also sprach Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.08.19.2146 +0200]:
The list is somewhat outdated, and it doesn't reflect some things
I've learnt since I wrote that pamphlet.
If I find the time, I will contribute my comments to help get the
page up to date. Feel free to prod me in a couple of
On Fri, 19 Aug 2005, martin f krafft wrote:
also sprach Roland Mas [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.08.19.2140 +0200]:
The Berkeley DB storage backend was an enormously stupid thing, but
that's been fixed (phew). My main gripe with Subversion now is that
if I'm not mistaken (which I could very
On Fri, 19 Aug 2005, Daniel Stone wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 02:33:31PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
also sprach Marc Haber [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.08.19.1422 +0200]:
Compared to SVN from the view of somebody who is acquainted with CVS,
arch sucks badly. I tend to agree with most of
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