Re: PW#5-12: New upload procedure

1998-12-03 Thread Santiago Vila
On Thu, 3 Dec 1998, Julian Gilbey wrote: On Fri, 20 Feb 1998, Christian Schwarz wrotee, while discussing the proposed (and agreed upon) changes to dpkg-genchanges and dinstall to make the closing of bugs etc. run more smoothly: Another suggestion was to change the Maintainer: field to

Bug#29770: Policy contradicts itself about /etc/aliases

1998-11-30 Thread Santiago Vila
On 28 Nov 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Since /etc/aliases is not a conf file belonging to any package whatsoever, sectiosn 4.7 and 5.5 are not in conflict. I am closing this report. Please, read carefully the bug report. Policy says: A package may not modify a configuration file of

Re: priorities and package relations

1998-11-30 Thread Santiago Vila
On Sat, 28 Nov 1998, Wichert Akkerman wrote: A while ago someone (Santiago iirc) filed a bugreport about packages depending on other packages with a lower priority. This made me wonder about allowed relations between packages. Reading the policy document does not give any explicit demands.

Bug#29770: Policy contradicts itself about /etc/aliases

1998-11-20 Thread Santiago Vila
Package: debian-policy Version: 2.5.0.0 I have discovered a little inconsistency in the policy. Section 5.5, Mail transport agents says: /etc/aliases is the source file for the system mail aliases (e.g., postmaster, usenet, etc.)--it is the one which the sysadmin and postinst scripts

It is ok to have a hardcoded Depends: libc6-dev ?

1998-11-05 Thread Santiago Vila
Hi. We have the shlibs mechanism for dependencies on shared libraries. This allows a package to be compiled under libc5, libc6, or whatever libc, and the right dependency info will be calculated automatically. However, there are some packages having a hardcoded dependency on libc6-dev, and it

Bug#17621: PROPOSED]: About versions based on dates

1998-10-30 Thread Santiago Vila
On 30 Oct 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Native Debian packages (i.e., packages which have been written especially for Debian) whose version numbers include dates should always use the `-MM-DD' format. James Troup pointed out some time ago that this probably breaks another

Re: Installing files in user directories

1998-10-23 Thread Santiago Vila
On Thu, 22 Oct 1998, Steve Greenland wrote: In either case, get rid of the .bashrc. If root wants an example, there's always /etc/skel. Heck, if you want to copy dot.profile and dot.bashrc to /root, no problem. Just stop screwing with the files that are actually used! Well,

Re: Installing files in user directories

1998-10-22 Thread Santiago Vila
On Wed, 21 Oct 1998, Steve Greenland wrote: Here are some problems with the current solution: 1. Who said that root's home dir is /root? The /etc/passwd file as provided by base-passwd. If you modify root's home dir, you break the base-passwd package, since root is a user who belong to the

Re: /etc/adjtime, /etc/timezone, etc.

1998-10-20 Thread Santiago Vila
On Mon, 19 Oct 1998, Ian Jackson wrote: Are the additional things I said in my last message about this sufficient for you to clarify the policy ? I think they are not sufficient. Maybe I should propose an amendment to the current text. -- 3bfc2ca36032b30f1040093bfee1f3ea (a truly random

Re: FHS - transition

1998-10-20 Thread Santiago Vila
On 17 Oct 1998, Adam P. Harris wrote: Santiago Vila [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] They are not just things that would be nice to have implemented (wishlist). We really *need* to have them fixed in the near future. Otherwise we will never move to FHS. Woah there, one step at a time

Re: Installing files in user directories

1998-10-20 Thread Santiago Vila
Hi. Maybe you are simply surprised by the fact that base-files recently changed from installing a default /root/.bash_profile to installing a default /root/.profile (which is slightly more POSIX). I considered several ways to do this. Among them: 1. If ~/.bash_profile exists and ~/.profile does

Shipping .texi sources in binary packages (was: unidentified subject)

1998-10-20 Thread Santiago Vila
( Sorry for replying so late, the old Subject was not very appealing :-) On 23 Sep 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: I suggest that the preferred source format of the documentation be also available. This means that we also ship texinfo, tex, and sgml versions of the documentation, as

Re: Shipping .texi sources in binary packages (was: unidentified subject)

1998-10-20 Thread Santiago Vila
On 20 Oct 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Santiago So shipping the .texi source will not be as easy as some Santiago people think, And not as hard as some people think either. He, he, we are close to repeat the bash-essential discussion here ;-) -- 8460b24dc2ac9d46432ccd8965300fbe

Re: Shipping .texi sources in binary packages (was: unidentified subject)

1998-10-20 Thread Santiago Vila
On 20 Oct 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Santiago It seems to me that the general rule that source belongs to Santiago the source package should apply here. No. HTML is not a good format for printing. dvi files are not quite as portable as one would like (due to font issues) The

Bug#27906: PROPOSED] Binary-only NMU's

1998-10-19 Thread Santiago Vila
Ian, before you propose a complete reorganization of our FTP archive to comply with the GPL, please take a look at the SOURCES file in the GNU operating system, version 0.2. Some excerpts: *--- Sources for binaries in GNU version

Re: /etc/adjtime, /etc/timezone, etc.

1998-10-17 Thread Santiago Vila
On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, Ian Jackson wrote: Santiago Vila writes (Re: /etc/adjtime, /etc/timezone, etc.): ... Of course it is possible. But the reason policy says some files should not be conffiles is the following: Doing this will lead to dpkg giving the user confusing and possibly dangerous

Re: FHS - transition

1998-10-17 Thread Santiago Vila
On 16 Oct 1998, Adam P. Harris wrote: Santiago Vila [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 10 Oct 1998, Adam P. Harris wrote: 2. info browsers, manual pagers, terminfo libraries, etc., are Yes, but where is the info program that looks in both directories? Before saying this must be done

Re: FHS - transition

1998-10-15 Thread Santiago Vila
On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, Ian Jackson wrote: We have discussed this before, but it seems that you missed the discussion at all: If man and info are modified so that they support both old and new locations, we will not have to symlink anything, and we will not need to copy a lot of files from a

Re: FHS - transition

1998-10-15 Thread Santiago Vila
On 10 Oct 1998, Adam P. Harris wrote: 2. info browsers, manual pagers, terminfo libraries, etc., are Yes, but where is the info program that looks in both directories? Before saying this must be done in this way I would like to be sure that effectively it may be done and someone will do it.

Re: FHS - transition

1998-10-06 Thread Santiago Vila
On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Ian Jackson wrote: (See also my post to debian-devel about this. In particular, I'm opposed to /var/state and think we should ignore the FHS on this point.) One of the key changes that the FHS has compared to the FSSTND is the existence of /usr/share. I think this is

Re: /usr/local in some packages

1998-09-29 Thread Santiago Vila
On Tue, 29 Sep 1998, Herbert Xu wrote: After purging emacs today, the damn thing deleted my /usr/local symlink since it was the last package to have /usr/local in it. Obviously this is not very clever. Would have this happened if base-files contained /usr/local as an empty directory? Since

Re: /usr/local in some packages

1998-09-29 Thread Santiago Vila
On Tue, 29 Sep 1998, Herbert Xu wrote: On Tue, Sep 29, 1998 at 01:28:27PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: On Tue, 29 Sep 1998, Herbert Xu wrote: After purging emacs today, the damn thing deleted my /usr/local symlink since it was the last package to have /usr/local in it. Obviously

Re: {PROPOSAL} #7890: Policy manual contradicts itself about including docs

1998-09-22 Thread Santiago Vila Doncel
On 21 Sep 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: - ship HTML versions in the binary package, in the directory - /usr/doc/package or its subdirectories. + ship HTML versions in a binary package, under the directory + /usr/doc/appropriate package or its subdirectories. I second this. It

Re: Call for Seconds, Take II

1998-09-15 Thread Santiago Vila
On Mon, 14 Sep 1998, Zed Pobre wrote: + this string is reserved for the GNU Hurd operating system. GNU/Hurd [ I think everyone will agree on this ]. Thanks. -- 60bd5544e9f94328d8d2823b5dc2452e (a truly random sig)

Re: Comments on policy modifications

1998-09-15 Thread Santiago Vila
On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: On Mon, Sep 14, 1998 at 10:00:36PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: On Mon, 14 Sep 1998, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: So should we change i386-hurd to i386-gnu on the ftp archive? This would also express the explicit wish of Gordon, IIRC. I

Re: Comments on policy modifications

1998-09-14 Thread Santiago Vila
On Mon, 14 Sep 1998, Zed Pobre wrote: In the mean time, then, if I understand correctly, the only arch string that will allow proper compilation is i386-gnu? Yes, because the gnumach kernel does only work under intel currently. -- 136b152ac3c4c1d999f0afddbbb9c284 (a truly random sig)

Re: Comments on policy modifications

1998-09-14 Thread Santiago Vila
On Mon, 14 Sep 1998, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: On Mon, Sep 14, 1998 at 05:24:25PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: On Mon, 14 Sep 1998, Zed Pobre wrote: In the mean time, then, if I understand correctly, the only arch string that will allow proper compilation is i386-gnu? Yes

Re: Call for seconds: Policy modifications

1998-09-13 Thread Santiago Vila
On Sun, 13 Sep 1998, Richard Braakman wrote: Zed Pobre wrote: Part 3: (bug#25385) Section 4.1 (Architecture specification strings) should be changed to allow the Hurd operating system. This requires that the segment reading: where `arch' is one of the following: i386, alpha,

Re: /etc/adjtime, /etc/timezone, etc.

1998-09-05 Thread Santiago Vila
On 4 Sep 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Santiago But the reason policy says some files should not be Santiago conffiles is the following: Doing this will lead to dpkg Santiago giving the user confusing and possibly dangerous options Santiago for conffile update when the package is

Re: A mechanism to amend policy documents

1998-09-05 Thread Santiago Vila
On 5 Sep 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Do you not find the version numbers suggestive? debian-policy_2.4.1.3.deb developers-reference_2.4.1.3.deb packaging-manual_2.4.1.1.deb Would there be serious objections to having the policy maintainers actually take

Re: /etc/adjtime, /etc/timezone, etc.

1998-09-04 Thread Santiago Vila
Ok, I will answer myself :-) I have found a paragraph in the packaging manual providing the rationale for not making conffiles certain files. However, the given rationale is not enough when the conffile is always the same, so I have just submitted a bug against debian-policy asking for more

Re: /etc/adjtime, /etc/timezone, etc.

1998-09-04 Thread Santiago Vila
(thanks for answering :-) On 4 Sep 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Santiago Ok, I will answer myself :-) I have found a paragraph in Santiago the packaging manual providing the rationale for not making Santiago conffiles certain files. However, the given rationale is Santiago not enough

/etc/adjtime, /etc/timezone, etc.

1998-09-02 Thread Santiago Vila
[ Please don't Cc:me, I will read your input in the list ] Hi. In bug #23255, Nicolás Lichtmaier reports that /etc/adjtime should probably not be a conffile (i.e. a configuration file managed by dpkg through the conffile mechanism), and he cites policy to support this. However, since the

Re: Maybe it's time to split debian-devel-changes

1998-08-20 Thread Santiago Vila
On 20 Aug 1998, Martin Mitchell wrote: Santiago Vila [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Therefore, I will send the last proposal: http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/debian-policy-9808/msg00115.html to [EMAIL PROTECTED], so that whenever the new upload procedure is implemented, the list

Re: Maybe it's time to split debian-devel-changes

1998-08-20 Thread Santiago Vila
On 20 Aug 1998, Martin Mitchell wrote: I suggest that the current debian-devel-changes be your debian-devel-changes-source list, because I think most of the people currently subscribed to debian-devel-changes are developers, more interested in new releases (ie source packages) than binaries.

Re: Maybe it's time to split debian-devel-changes

1998-08-20 Thread Santiago Vila
On 20 Aug 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Hi, Santiago == Santiago Vila [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Santiago Maybe the right thing to do here, since none of the new Santiago lists did exist previously, and since debian-devel-changes Santiago will disappear as such, is to let people

Re: Maybe it's time to split debian-devel-changes

1998-08-19 Thread Santiago Vila
On Wed, 19 Aug 1998, Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Santiago Vila wrote: If I don't hear any serious objection, I will send the proposal to [EMAIL PROTECTED], [.. snip snip ..] Could you first take a look at all comments made and post a new proposal? If I remember correctly some nice

Re: Maybe it's time to split debian-devel-changes

1998-08-19 Thread Santiago Vila
Splitting of debian-devel-changes = I'm going to summarize everything so far: * The list may be filtered in many several ways, but this does not solve the problem of bandwidth for people using POP (the too late problem). Therefore, most people seem to agree that

Re: Maybe it's time to split debian-devel-changes

1998-08-18 Thread Santiago Vila
Hi. Seven days ago, I posted my second proposal for the splitting of debian-devel-changes. If I don't hear any serious objection, I will send the proposal to [EMAIL PROTECTED], where is the bug which asked for the new upload procedure, so that whenever the new upload procedure is

Re: Distribution of license documents (fwd)

1998-08-17 Thread Santiago Vila
On 17 Aug 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: The GPL, LGPL, BSD, and Artistic licenses do not apply to any software specifically, and can be considered stand alone. (If I am wrong, please point out wording in the license that specifies which package or specific software the license

Re: Why licenses *are* free (was: Re: Why I don't share Manojs fears.

1998-08-16 Thread Santiago Vila
On 16 Aug 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Marcus Brinkmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We ship software with a copyright attached to it. On the contrary. Look at what ships /usr/doc/copyright/GPL. The package base-files ships the licenses un attached to software. [...] Yes, but we ship

Re: What RMS says about standards (was: [rms@gnu.org: Re: Questions regarding free documentation.]

1998-08-16 Thread Santiago Vila
On 16 Aug 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Shipping the GPL as part of the package is the exception rather than the rule. and /usr/doc/copyright/GPL is a shipped standalone. Shipping the GPL as part of the *source* package is the rule. Since we have lots of GPLed packages it would be

Re: Maybe it's time to split debian-devel-changes

1998-08-10 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Ok, second proposal: The distributed, non i386-centric one: The debian-devel-changes is renamed to debian-devel-changes-i386, and an announcement is sent explaining the goal of the new list. There would be the following lists: a) debian-devel-changes-arch

Re: dpkg support for internationalized/localized programs

1998-07-29 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On 29 Jul 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Then we can localize an internationalized package. For many languages And everybody agrees that there is no reason to keep in one package all localized versions. I disagree. The FSF also disagrees. All GNU

Re: Compressing *.db files in /usr/doc

1998-07-16 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Marco Budde: SV I have received a suggestion for debstd, namely, to not compress SV any *.db files found in /usr/doc/package by default. No, I've suggested to compress only know file types instead of compressing everything. Yes, and I think that the

Compressing *.db files in /usr/doc

1998-07-14 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hi. I have received a suggestion for debstd, namely, to not compress any *.db files found in /usr/doc/package by default. I'm in doubt about this change. Is not compressing *.db files in /usr/doc/package reasonable as default behaviour? Would debhelper

Re: Provides: emacsen ?

1998-06-11 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Rob Tillotson wrote: [...] Since this emacs does not follow the new packaging conventions for emacsen, it is incorrect for new-emacsen packages to depend on emacs as that will cause the installation to break. (Which is exactly what the packaging system is

Re: Provides: emacsen ?

1998-06-11 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On 11 Jun 1998, Rob Tillotson wrote: Would not have been easier to keep the name emacs for emacs19, but allowing other packages also to provide emacs? No, because the old emacs doesn't provide the same capabilities as what is now called emacsen, The

Re: conffiles versus configuration files

1998-06-01 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On 31 May 1998, Karl M. Hegbloom wrote: Santiago == Santiago Vila [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Santiago Mmm, do you mean, for example, that /etc/init.d/* Santiago scripts are not configuration files, because they are Santiago actually scripts

Re: conffiles versus configuration files

1998-06-01 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On 31 May 1998, Karl M. Hegbloom wrote: Kai /var/list/.bin/mimencap.local /var/list/.etc/archive.txt Kai /var/list/.etc/help.txt /var/list/.etc/rc.archive Kai /var/list/.etc/rc.custom /var/list/.etc/rc.main Kai /var/list/.etc/rc.post

Re: Bug#21969: debian-policy: needs clarification about Standards-Version

1998-05-03 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On 2 May 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Packages only have to specify the first three digits of the version number in the `Standards-Version' field of their source packages. only three is three. I fully agree with Martin in that if 'at least 3' was

Re: conffiles versus configuration files

1998-04-16 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, Ian Jackson wrote: I mean that just because X is a conffile doesn't necessarily imply that X is a configuration file, or vice versa. Could you please tell us some examples of conffiles not being configuration files, just to make it

Re: bug#17532: query of policy: what kind of bug is this?

1998-04-13 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Mon, 13 Apr 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could all of you reading this review bug #17532? Question: what severity should it actually be? In the bug report, you said: this bug has prevented ALL logins (possibly including single-user/maintaince mode;

Re: General bug policy

1998-04-10 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Tue, 7 Apr 1998, Ian Jackson wrote: I also propose the following guidelines for determining whether a bug report should be kept open, etc. These may be stated elsewhere already, but should be consolidated: [snipped] I mostly agree. Could we please

Re: General bug policy

1998-04-10 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Manoj is right. Rewording: Are there any objections to the policy proposed by Ian? I would like to see approved (by the usual procedures) a policy with respect to bug reports as soon as possible, because we have no policy at all so far (only current practice).

Re: General bug policy

1998-04-10 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Manoj Srivastava wrote: In the specific dispute you are involved in, the letter of this proposed policy has already been followed. In short, I would summarize my old bug as follows: 1) A .m file in the future (or a computer in the past) causes octave

Re: When a bug is a bug?

1998-04-08 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Tue, 7 Apr 1998, Ian Jackson wrote: 1. Santiago initially mailed [EMAIL PROTECTED] about this matter, and didn't go away when Guy told him to. He did when I referred him here. (At this point neither Guy nor I entered into the details of the situation,

Re: When a bug is a bug?

1998-04-08 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Wed, 8 Apr 1998, Ian Jackson wrote: I hadn't realised that developers wouldn't know that there would be a better way for them to sort this kind of thing out. Do I need to add some text saying `If you are a Debian developer, please use our internal

Re: conffiles versus configuration files

1998-04-08 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Wed, 8 Apr 1998, Ian Jackson wrote: `X is a conffile' =/= `X is a configuration file' Mmm, do you mean, for example, that /etc/init.d/* scripts are not configuration files, because they are actually scripts (i.e. programs, not files that contain data)?

When a bug is a bug?

1998-04-07 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- I have a great difficulty in convincing the Debian octave maintainer that Bug #20561 is a bug. I have explained him in great detail why it is a bug but he still says it is not and even *refuses* to discuss about it. May I also close all my bugs by saying they

Re: When a bug is a bug?

1998-04-07 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Tue, 7 Apr 1998, Ian Jackson wrote: 2. There are two issues being confused here. One is the behaviour of with respect to files in the future, and the other is the search path ordering. There should be two bug reports. Dirk also thinks I'm confusing two

Re: General bug policy

1998-04-07 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Tue, 7 Apr 1998, Ian Jackson wrote: 4. Noone but the maintainer of a package (or someone acting on their request) should close its bug reports. We could be flexible here, in some cases: For example, if someone submits a bug, and just after sending the

Re: Conffiles and Configuration files (again)

1998-04-06 Thread Santiago Vila Doncel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Tue, 7 Apr 1998, Anthony Towns wrote: What I'd like to propose, therefore, is extending the conffile label to cover all configuration files. Why do you want to do that? Why should I want to be asked each time I upgrade the system because of local files

Re: need input: essential packages and pre-depends

1998-03-24 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Well, if /bin/ps is not essential to the system, why it is in /bin? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: latin1 iQCVAgUBNRgQfiqK7IlOjMLFAQFMlQP/eSQNds3w/1JjznI/YWEq8vRJgBcljPtX UVE+L2oNiWRrLRi8eDQ6mJ+7naqVBr7sMpeNvRXujEik9WgVoCfHc/yopUjJ6bVi

Re: need input: essential packages and pre-depends

1998-03-24 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Fine. Summary: Either 1) procps is(should be) essential. or 2) procps is not(should not be) essential. If 1), I would propose to add Pre-Depends fields for libc6. If 2), then someone should report a bug against netbase for using ps in the postinst without

Re: need input: essential packages and pre-depends

1998-03-23 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Mon, 23 Mar 1998, Ian Jackson wrote: 3. ncurses-bin contains clear and reset, among others. If this package is essential, then those commands are allowed to be used in maintainer scripts. I think I disagree with `if this package ... scripts'. It

Re: need input: essential packages and pre-depends

1998-03-23 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On 23 Mar 1998, James Troup wrote: I can't see any reason for ncurses-bin to be essential. Well, I can see a reason: if the console is so messed up that you don't even see dpkg when you write it, and you have not clear or reset, then you have a problem.

Re: need input: essential packages and pre-depends

1998-03-23 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- James Troup writes: Santiago Vila [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can't see any reason for ncurses-bin to be essential. Well, I can see a reason: if the console is so messed up that you don't even see dpkg when you write it, and you have not clear

Re: need input: essential packages and pre-depends

1998-03-23 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On 23 Mar 1998, James Troup wrote: Santiago Vila [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's not enough reason to make a package Essential, the policy manual clearly states that removing a required package can leave your system totally FUBAR

Re: Proposal how to handle mass bug reports

1998-03-20 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Ian Jackson wrote: Santiago Vila writes (Re: Proposal how to handle mass bug reports): ... Mmm, well, what if I sent just one bug against ftp.debian.org saying these 100 packages should not have `optional' priority but `extra'? I

Re: need input: essential packages and pre-depends

1998-03-20 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Ian Jackson wrote: I'm sorry, what precise policy change is being proposed ? It is currently policy that Essential packages have to use Pre-Depends for things which they need to support the packaging system. They should use Depends,

Re: need input: essential packages and pre-depends

1998-03-20 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Ian Jackson wrote: Santiago Vila writes (Re: need input: essential packages and pre-depends): ... For example, if diff is essential, it should Pre-Depends on libc6, because otherwise maintainer scripts which use it would fail. Right

Re: Proposal how to handle mass bug reports

1998-03-19 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Wed, 18 Mar 1998, Ian Jackson wrote: Noone may submit many bug reports or send mail to many maintainers without prior approval for the specific person in question to send mail under those specific circumstances. Even for violation by packages of an

Re: libtool varying versions

1998-03-17 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Tue, 17 Mar 1998, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: On 16 Mar 1998, Ben Gertzfield wrote: Do I remove the newer libtool from the upstream source and replace it with the current libtool in the Debian distribution? add libtoolize --force --copy to

Re: Locale (Policy consult/proposal)

1998-03-12 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Thu, 12 Mar 1998, Luis Francisco Gonzalez wrote: For example, for german, all programs seem to use /usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/name but unfortunately, unless you define LC_ALL=de rather than say LC_ALL=de_DE, this path is not searched

Re: Policy about /usr/share

1998-03-08 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- file-directly-in-usr-share Hi Christian. It seems this tag is a little bit confusing. Would be possible to find a better one? For example: file-directly-in-usr-share-not-in-a-usr-share-directory -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset:

Re: Extending version numbering (Was: glibc_2.0.7pre1-3)

1998-03-07 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Sat, 7 Mar 1998, Yann Dirson wrote: But I do agree it would be nice to have a special syntax for version numbers allowing to cope with {pre,alpha,beta}-like numbering. It is perfectly sane to distinguish between it's in testing stage and it's released

Re: Bug#19048: cvs-buildpackage: they should use /bin/sh and not bash

1998-03-07 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On 6 Mar 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Herbert Yes but unless you actually require any non-POSIX features, Herbert you should use /bin/sh (this is specified by the policy). Herbert And currently I don't see anything like that in your scripts. Where?

Re: Bug#19048: cvs-buildpackage: they should use /bin/sh and not bash

1998-03-07 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On 7 Mar 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: using /bin/sh is just waiting for a problem to occur, Oh, yes, removing the /usr/spool symlink is also waiting for a problem to occur... That argument does not convince me at all. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version:

Re: Bug#19048: cvs-buildpackage: they should use /bin/sh and not bash

1998-03-07 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On 7 Mar 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Anyway, bash is essential, /bin/bash shall always be there, using /bin/bash shall never cause any problems, That argument is also not convincing at all. If you really believe what you are saying, then please

Re: lintian: symlinks from /usr/lib into /lib

1998-03-06 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Yann Dirson wrote: Package: lintian Version: 0.3.0 E: e2fslibsg-dev: symlink-should-be-absolute usr/lib/libe2p.so ../../lib/libe2p.so.2.3 N: N: Symbolic links into /etc or /var should be absolute. N: N: Refer to Policy Manual,

Re: glibc_2.0.7pre1-3 uploaded to master

1998-03-03 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, Christian Hudon wrote: On Tuesday, March 03, Dale Scheetz wrote Format: 1.5 Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 19:02:48 -0500 Source: glibc Binary: timezones libc6 libc6-pic libc6-dbg locales libc6-doc libc6-dev Architecture: source i386

Re: policy violation and bug reports. - some resolution?

1998-02-26 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On 25 Feb 1998, James Troup wrote: Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyway, I think this is a bug in dpkg (not asking about removed conffiles) and I don't think it is right to make a program to benefit from bugs in other programs... I've

Re: policy violation and bug reports. - some resolution?

1998-02-25 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On 24 Feb 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: There is no need for conffiles in /root; I'd be happy to provide patches to the postinst if the maintainer feels unsure about coding it. I mostly agree. Current base-files_1.7.postinst now says: #!/bin/sh

Re: policy violation and bug reports. - some resolution?

1998-02-25 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On 25 Feb 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: the default files are puerile [...] If you must have these files to copy into /root, keep them in /usr/lib/basefiles (which is not in the root partition) [...] Mmm, should I create a subdirectory in /usr/lib

Re: policy violation and bug reports. - some resolution?

1998-02-25 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Joey Hess wrote: Manoj Srivastava wrote: Compared to that, the default files are puerile. It is annoying to have little control over my home directory as root, and b) have to delete those files over and over again since they

Re: /usr/lib/perl5 - /usr/share/perl5 ?

1998-02-19 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Thu, 19 Feb 1998, Gregor Hoffleit wrote: perl5 installs its modules that are AFAIK architecture-independent into /usr/lib/perl5. Shouldn't this be /usr/share/perl5 according to FSSTND? No according to FSSTND. But yes according to the FHS. We are not

Re: essential packages and Pre-Depends

1998-02-19 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- We should remember that dpkg *does* allow a package to be installed when the *Dependencies* are not satisfied. Example. In a pure bo system, the following may happen: # dpkg -i diff_2.7-15.deb [ This is the diff from hamm ] (Reading database ... 15191 files

Re: awk: essential virtual package?

1998-02-18 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On 18 Feb 1998, James Troup wrote: Santiago Vila [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [ ... ] Perhaps we should just make mawk and gawk to Pre-Depend on libc6 instead? With all due respect, you've 100% missed the point of making awk an essential package

Re: awk: essential virtual package?

1998-02-17 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Christian Schwarz wrote: On 16 Feb 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: I must admit I didn't notice this discussion until I saw the discussion about the bug reports on this topic. Could someone please explain in a few sentences the

Re: awk: essential virtual package?

1998-02-16 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Mon, 9 Feb 1998, Christian Schwarz wrote: Santiago (base-files maintainer) pointed out that the current base-files package depends on the virtual package `awk' which makes awk `implicitely' essential. (With that it is guaranteed, that _some_ awk

Re: essential packages and Pre-Depends

1998-02-16 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- [ moving to debian-policy ] On 16 Feb 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Santiago Package A depends on library C, package B uses A in the Santiago preinst script. A is essential. We issue the following Santiago command: Santiago dpkg -i A.deb B.deb C.deb

Re: awk: essential virtual package?

1998-02-16 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On 16 Feb 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: The only bug is that the base-files maintainer dropped the depends line without understanding the consequences. The base-files maintainer asked Christian about the issue, who then asked in debian-policy, and

Re: `du' control files

1998-02-13 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Fri, 13 Feb 1998, Scott Ellis wrote: On Fri, 13 Feb 1998, Christian Schwarz wrote: With the new lintian check I discovered that some packages install a `du' control file (contains the output of the du command). Does someone know which program is

Re: `du' control files

1998-02-13 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On 13 Feb 1998, Davide G. M. Salvetti wrote: They are useful to check how much disk space is needed under each directory before installing a package; Are you *so* short of disk space that the standard head: Installed-Size: 200 is not enough? -BEGIN

Re: #17544: /var/preserve does not exist

1998-02-09 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Mon, 9 Feb 1998, Remco Blaakmeer wrote: On Mon, 9 Feb 1998, Santiago Vila wrote: Is there any Debian package that actually uses /var/preserve? No, but according FSSTND 1.2, vi, ex and their clones (should) use it to store temorary files that should

Re: beta software ok for unstable? (was: Re: policy Q's WRT imapd)

1998-02-03 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Tue, 3 Feb 1998, G John Lapeyre wrote: Where can I put a package that is not dangerous, and is functional, but is still in early stages of development? What about `experimental'? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: latin1

Re: PW#5-3: How packages can register cron jobs

1998-02-02 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Mon, 2 Feb 1998, Christian Schwarz wrote: Is the following solution correct? 1. The `conffile' is _not_ tagged as conffile and _not_ included in the package tree, 2. it's created in the postinst script if that file does not already exist, 3. it's

beta software ok for unstable? (was: Re: policy Q's WRT imapd)

1998-02-02 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Mon, 26 Jan 1998, Christian Schwarz wrote: Yes. Beta software is ok for unstable. Only critical software (i.e., programs that are likely to trash your filesystem) should go into experimental. I disagree here. If beta is not ok for stable, then it is not

Re: PW#5-3: How packages can register cron jobs

1998-02-02 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Mon, 2 Feb 1998, I wrote: ``[...] It is almost certain that any file in /etc that is in your package's filesystem archive should be listed in dpkg's conffiles control area file. (See the Debian Packaging Manual). It is almost certain that any file

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