it and links to it.
* Debian does not follow the level of discipline that the FSF wants to
follow about never linking to non-free software or non-free software
companies. The project promotes such software in some ways by the
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people twitchy (understandably), but I think it's still far more often
then case than not.
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W3C, the larger XML/SGML community, OASIS, and freedesktop.org. I think
this is a good tradition to follow.
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I think this is an excellent idea, particularly if we can find a way to
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Luk proposed a new freeze date of march 2010:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/10/msg2.html
Ah, this message came in while I was on vacation and I somehow missed it.
Thank you. This answers my questions.
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, and if not, when it's going to be made so that I
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We can't do that with moneys collected in the United States under the
aegis of Software in the Public Interest. It would jeopardize the
non-profit status of SPI. Non-profit charities are not permitted to
make
Interest. It would jeopardize the
non-profit status of SPI. Non-profit charities are not permitted to make
investments in for-profit businesses.
I can't comment on the rules in other jurisdictions.
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a working get-orig-source target
that does everything required, it's a bit pointless to also put the
details in README.source, but I can see that going both ways.
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Having the RFCs be freely modifiable would, of course, help a lot of
people, but us repackaging upstream tarballs to remove them has nothing to
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how to spend money effectively, whereas the latter are not.
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was removed from the upstream source tarball and why, since it's
where we describe the provenance of the upstream source. But that should
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Bernd Zeimetz be...@bzed.de writes:
Russ Allbery wrote:
Bernd Zeimetz be...@bzed.de writes:
- it was never properly discussed and accepted before. If we switch to
a dependency based boot system, why to this mess from SuSE called
insserv?
There was a *ton* of discussion of insserv across
.
Er, it certainly has been for the packages that I've been involved in
maintaining. For one of them (openldap) there is no useful choice that
makes everyone happy because the necessary dependencies can't be reduced
to a simple numerical ordering without way too much cascading change.
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that update-rc.d doesn't support directly that are a
problem, like moving start numbers.
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drives much of the repetitive discussion in those large threads.
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This can be a major problem for some packages, but I have to say, I think
that's way overstated for most things. For example, I've never had much
trouble extracting relevant fixes from Ubuntu patches for my packages.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7pkyDUX5uM
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translated install logs with translated error messages, which drastically
limits the number of people who can figure out what's going on.
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Philipp Kern tr...@philkern.de writes:
On 2009-08-06, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
The apparently partly-automated bug reports from what appears to be
your live CD system are particularly bad. Many of them are automated
dumps of translated install logs with translated error messages
, or should attempt to solve.
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quite a few things by reading papers
on The Register. Disturbing, indeed.
I suspect, in both cases, that has something to do with who is actively
seeking him out.
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projects to make new membership public but keep retirements private for
similar reasons.
Of course, if someone doesn't mind or would like the public
acknowledgement, I'd be all in favor of it. But I'm not sure if it's
worth the effort to gather that information.
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Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au writes:
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That I can definitely agree is a concern, and it would be very nice
to figure out a way to find project consensus on what should and
shouldn't go into the debian/copyright file.
Or, more importantly
disagreement). I do agree with you that having that written down
somewhere would be good, though.
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Michael Banck mba...@debian.org writes:
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 09:56:53AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
Sune Vuorela nos...@vuorela.dk writes:
sometimes, I look at a issue and think that the correct solution here
is a package split, but I often end up working around it in other
ways, just
doing reasonably well with the basic assumption that the
people who are voting on project direction are the same people who are
putting their own hard work into making that direction happen. I think we
should maintain that assumption.
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people additional capabilities along the way but keep the time to
final DD status at around six months to a year. I'm not sure there's that
much gained in making membership much faster than that.
I say this as someone who spent seven months in NM.
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Matthew Johnson mj...@debian.org writes:
On Sat Mar 14 12:46, Russ Allbery wrote:
We can certainly expand the definition of technical work that qualifies
for political voting membership and not focus it solely on packaging,
but I think we're doing reasonably well with the basic assumption
. A bunch of my
SONAME changes have cleared NEW in fairly short order (a few days), so
it's being processed with some level of prioritization.
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to do it. Some people don't like having to install
menu in order to get this utility.
For more information, see http://bugs.debian.org/492493
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than they already have.
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MJ Ray m...@phonecoop.coop writes:
Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
MJ Ray m...@phonecoop.coop writes:
So this means ignoring any concerns and pressing on regardless?
Disagreeing with you is not the same thing as ignoring concerns.
Making that accusation is a cheap debate tactic
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working on. It's badly-written, badly-researched crap.
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Robert Millan r...@aybabtu.com writes:
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 09:25:37AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
I don't feel the urge to constantly repeat it, but since I'm sending
the mail anyway: the release team made a delegate decision. That
decision was not overridden. Hence, the release
to override the
delegate decision, and it has to pass. Neither of those things have
happened. Until they do, this is all pointless noise.
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Ean Schuessler e...@brainfood.com writes:
- Russ Allbery wrote:
If he wants to stop the release, he needs to propose a GR to override
the delegate decision, and it has to pass. Neither of those things have
happened. Until they do, this is all pointless noise.
Some people cannot just
already stated
(and which I won't reiterate again). The formal proposal is essentially
the first second towards putting it on the ballot. If you don't actually
agree with the proposal, I don't think you should be doing either.
I suspect we'll have to agree to disagree on this.
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floor() in this case. Well, my idea was just to drop everything behind
the .. So floor(), int(), whatever it is in your favorite language. :)
It's not so much the function as it is the order of operations. It sounds
like you meant 2 * floor(Q) instead of floor(2Q). :)
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huge that an option that would
win in the larger vote doesn't have enough advocates reading debian-vote
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a lot of
steam out of the discussion and reduces the chances of a general consensus
compromise.
Which is one of the reasons why I think Jeorg's proposal is a good one (to
bring this back to the original thread topic). I agree that the threshold
feels too low currently.
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can't speak for CS, however; I'm not sure what they do.
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see only the most interesting bits. Sort of another digest sitting
between the full list traffic and developer news.
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machinery already built into the
constitution)
* Some new body (probably a really bad idea, but included for completeness)
Otherwise, even if we say the social contract is binding, it doesn't
resolve the current problem or future problems like it.
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the basic requirement there.
It's doubly illegal around here -- age discrimination is a violation of
California's Fair Employment and Housing Act as well as the federal
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It most certainly is not. I can attest to that personally, having been
involved in and followed multiple FSF projects for many years. It is
an expectation for all GNU projects.
Expectation and advice, but not a rule
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My understanding of RMS's position is that he would like Debian to
follow something like the rule that the FSF has about not linking to
any non-free software from their sites, [...]
That rule is a myth.
It most
and generally aren't worth paying much attention to.
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-uris, IIRC). You
generally do not want to set delegation-uris unless you have a specific
need, and you *never* want to set it to a wildcard like https://.
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of OpenAFS should continue to work fine. This mostly is a
problem if one runs a backported kernel, in which case you'll need a
backported OpenAFS as well.
I'd certainly be happy to answer questions and help with AFS setup as I
have time. I'd love to have a Debian OpenAFS cell.
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for pop-up menus and the like for sites that are attempting
Negotiate-Auth, rather than just disabling it by default
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This thread seems to establish that you're in a small minority with this
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It's a single person with indeterminate gender, which is exactly the use
case for the epicene they. I believe you're simply wrong here. This
supposedly stilted and contrived construct routinely goes unremarked and
unnoticed by native English speakers
packages in main,
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packages,
- defective by missing dependancies for contrib packages.
I think it would be very surprising to have installation of a package from
the main distribution area result in downloading non-free software from
elsewhere, which is a common case for contrib packages.
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://bugs.debian.org/473439, which tries to
help clarify terminology in this area. If you have a chance and care,
please review that bug and second or discuss the proposed change in that
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I recommend not attributing such judgements to the configuration files
of software packages.
Sorry???
It is more that a configuration file, and BTW the same notation it is
also used by apt. Archive and its format are an area
the
topic a lot of thought before deciding they should.
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not be there since
it usually can't be referenced correctly by packages (it lists a specific
copyright holder). But it's not clear to me whether it's worth the effort
to withdraw it or change it at this point.
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possible to overstate the effect
of minor differences and work that's not yet happened and miss the big
picture. Debian and the FSF, apart from the documentation freeness issue,
agree in 99% of the cases.
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that. But more to the point, if you don't want to get
non-free packages, you can just remove non-free from sources.list and then
never see them.
sorry about my english is the worse :S
I found it quite easy to understand. :)
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a
difficult problem in that it's a balance between tools that make DDs more
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to teach it, except
possibly indirectly and in the same way that any interactions with other
people can teach empathy if people are open to learning it.
Empathy isn't something that's taught so much as it's something that one
individually decides to learn.
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actionable things that groups or people in Debian could do, there isn't a
lot of Debian content.
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(as literal
strings, not as escapes or hex encodings of characters).
Here's what I saw (let's see how Gnus rencodes it): GÜx89RÜx94ME
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for some time and just haven't had the time to work on the scripts.
Patches are definitely welcome.
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I wish that AMs could spend even *more* time per applicant than is
currently spent following the standard templates. Marc was my AM and
did a TS evaluation based on solving real problems in Debian
While that sounds
is supposed to work.
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here, but I'm completely serious
about this topic. People aren't opposing address munging or hiding just
because they don't really care or are lazy.
We're getting off-topic for -newmaint though. Please take it to -project
if you reply to my mail. :)
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On Fri, 18 May 2007 22:09:56 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
And one of the best things about the Linux model is that Linus
regularly talks about how he wants things done and what leads him to
take stuff or not take stuff in public on the lists, which
of an
issue with range voting), I find this conclusion highly dubious.
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In a workplace environment, this sort of thing is often addressed by
putting mentoring and staff development on the performance goals of
senior staff and freeing up time that they're supposed to dedicate
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On Thu, 10 May 2007 12:32:26 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
There are other things
that *are* signs of fundamental deficiencies in the project,
Would you mind to elaborate on this point, I'm really interested
is really a useful way to
spend time. Access to Debian systems is unfortunately somewhat less
useful than it ideally could be, for a variety of reasons.
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work, you have to convince me. Some examples of things that
would convince me are A, B, or C. I also want to make sure that other
things that I think are important aren't broken by the fix for this
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such changes
should be only done after discussion with the DSA team), but this is a
serious problem and it needs to be fixed, and it needed to be fixed
*before* frustration resulted in this unfortunate escalation of tensions
between people who are all trying to do the right thing for the project.
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to break roadblocks by force of will.
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Marc Haber [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Mon, Dec 18, 2006 at 05:36:23PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
I suppose it's possible this is how they were reading the Dunc-Bank
QA effort to find RC bugs, but if so, I think they were misreading the
spirit of that effort
I think that the first two
João Henrique Furtado [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi, would like to know which day of December will be launched and
version of the Debian Etch Stable.
So would we. :)
The only answer we can give you is when it's ready, which may or may not
be in December.
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for one would really appreciate that
right now.
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may just be a matter of changing
the harness scripts to just do it (and do it on a fast enough machine that
it will finish in a reasonable amount of time); I'm not sure that we need
to run lintian natively on each architecture.
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.
There are also smartcard based tokens (like GnuPG cards) which don't
require retyping of codes.
Don't they then require specific hardware when used (a card reader or at
least a USB port)?
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that some people will
think is way too low and some people will think is way too high.
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