Re: Hardware Advice Wanted: Router

On 14.11.2023 04:08, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 03:57:28PM -0700, Charles Curley wrote: My FIT-PCs that provide network services are getting old, and i386 Linux is slowly fading away. So I would like to replace them with a router/gateway computer. It should run Debian.

Re: Password managers

pa...@quillandmouse.com writes: > On Thu, 09 Nov 2023 10:48:14 -0600 > John Hasler wrote: > > > Why does "accepted/popular" matter? > > Not a great choice of words, perhaps. I was thinking in terms of those > password managers which are written by others and included in the > Debian

Re: Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443"

> If you ever do find one, please let me know. The lack of such a thing is > the primary reason why I don't do E-mail on Android *at all*. The closest I found so far is Fedilab, but: - While it does provide some threading, it's incomplete. - It's for the Fediverse rather than for email.

Re: Password managers

On Thu, 09 Nov 2023 10:48:14 -0600 John Hasler wrote: > Why does "accepted/popular" matter? Not a great choice of words, perhaps. I was thinking in terms of those password managers which are written by others and included in the Debian repositories. As it happens, pass(1) appeared to be

Re: Hardware Advice Wanted: Router

Charles Curley wrote: > It should run Debian. > > It should either have two gigabit (or better) Ethernet interfaces or > have suitable expansion capability. > > It should be quiet: no fans, and low power requirements. A small > physical footprint would be nice. > > Most of the time it will run

Re: Re: midnight commander

Under buster my prompt is mike@RPI4b2:~> on the CL whether it be a text VT or an xterm. My prompt in mc is the same whether launched from the CL or via the desktop menu. Under bookworm root's prompt whether on the CL or in mc is root@RPI4b2:~> . Under bookworm my prompt is mike@RPI4b3:~> on

Re: Re: midnight commander

Re: Re: midnight commander

Re: Hardware Advice Wanted: Router

On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 5:58 PM Charles Curley wrote: > > My FIT-PCs that provide network services are getting old, and i386 > Linux is slowly fading away. So I would like to replace them with a > router/gateway computer. > > It should run Debian. > > It should either have two gigabit (or better)

Re: Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443"

On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 7:43 AM Brad Rogers wrote: > > On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 12:04:47 + > Andy Smith wrote: > > Hello Andy, > > {gmail web interface} > > that people put up with that. > > If they've always used google (and let's face it, there are plenty of > people that fall in to that

Re: Hardware Advice Wanted: Router

On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 03:57:28PM -0700, Charles Curley wrote: > My FIT-PCs that provide network services are getting old, and i386 > Linux is slowly fading away. So I would like to replace them with a > router/gateway computer. > > It should run Debian. > > It should either have two gigabit

Re: Hardware Advice Wanted: Router

On 14/11/23 06:57, Charles Curley wrote: My FIT-PCs that provide network services are getting old, and i386 Linux is slowly fading away. So I would like to replace them with a router/gateway computer. It should run Debian. It should either have two gigabit (or better) Ethernet interfaces or

Hardware Advice Wanted: Router

My FIT-PCs that provide network services are getting old, and i386 Linux is slowly fading away. So I would like to replace them with a router/gateway computer. It should run Debian. It should either have two gigabit (or better) Ethernet interfaces or have suitable expansion capability. It

Re: Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443"

jeremy ardley (12023-11-14): > I use Bluemail on android. It claims to do threading though I don't use it. > Bluemail seems competent. A quick search for screenshots on the web leads to the conclusion that no, Bluemail does not do threading, just linear conversation. Regards, -- Nicolas

Re: Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443"

On 14/11/23 02:30, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: On 13/11/2023 14:50, Anssi Saari wrote: The Wanderer writes: And those are getting rare, I can't find a nice MUA for Android with proper threading. If you ever do find one, please let me know. The lack of such a thing is the primary reason

Re: Linux supprt

On Mon, Nov 13, 2023, 2:56 PM Stefan Monnier wrote: > > In my experience I get much better support from the user community of > > an open source product then I get from paid support of a commercial > > product. Frequently I know more about the product than the person I am > > dealing with. > >

Re: OT Se Congela el sistema

El 13/11/23 a las 14:50, José Manuel (Abogado) escribió: Hola Disculpen si el problema no es de Debian, por si acaso he puesto OT. Mi Debian es el 12 (Bookworm) Desde hace poco tiempo estando trabajando en el ordenador, si por cualquier motivo debo ausentarme durante un tiempo, dejo el

Re: OT Se Congela el sistema

Hola. En el caso de "congelamiento" lo primero a revisar es la superficie del disco rigido, la mayoria de las veces se debe a que el sistema no puede leer algo y queda detenido. El 13/11/23 a las 14:50, José Manuel (Abogado) escribió: Hola Disculpen si el problema no es de Debian, por si

Re: dmesg failed

ajh-valmer, on 2023-11-11: > On Monday 06 November 2023 21:25:44 Étienne Mollier wrote: > > Le message en soi suggère que la machine a eu un peu de mal à > > mettre en route le stockage raccordé sur la ligne ATA 2.01. En > > copiant et collant l'erreur dans un moteur de recherche, je suis > >

Bookworm: lighttpd as tvheadend proxy

Hi there, I'm using Lighttpd as https to http proxy for encrypting tvheadend connections. After upgrading from Bullseye to Bookworm (lighttpd-1.4.69-1) I see only some table borders after opening tvheadend. Downgrading to lighttpd-1.4.59-1+deb11u2 solves the problem. My guess is that it is

Re: No 6.5.10-4 realtime kernel?

Le dimanche 12 novembre 2023, 16:08:06 CET Scott Denlinger a écrit : > Sorry, in Debian world I'm looking for 'linux-image-6.5.0-4-rt-[. . .]' but > it would be 6.5.10. > > Scott Denlinger > > On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 10:04 AM Scott Denlinger > > wrote: > > Does anyone know why there are no

Re: Linux supprt

On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 08:17:20AM -0600, John Hasler wrote: > Stefan Monnier writes: > > I think this still only covers a small fraction of the problem. It > > just lowers the bar of the "technically-inclined" limit. I think many > > more people just want to have someone they can call on the

Re: Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443"

On 13/11/2023 14:50, Anssi Saari wrote: The Wanderer writes: And those are getting rare, I can't find a nice MUA for Android with proper threading. If you ever do find one, please let me know. The lack of such a thing is the primary reason why I don't do E-mail on Android *at all*.

Re: Debian GNU/Linux Books

Much about Debian *doesn't* change. A book about it with Bookworm/Trixie as an example and including a discussion of how it does change could be quite useful. It could be updated every few years. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA

OT Se Congela el sistema

Hola Disculpen si el problema no es de Debian, por si acaso he puesto OT. Mi Debian es el 12 (Bookworm) Desde hace poco tiempo estando trabajando en el ordenador, si por cualquier motivo debo ausentarme durante un tiempo, dejo el ordenador encendido y cuando vuelvo el sistema se ha

Re: Linux supprt

Stefan Monnier writes: > I think this still only covers a small fraction of the problem. It > just lowers the bar of the "technically-inclined" limit. I think many > more people just want to have someone they can call on the phone to > help them get through their yearly technical problem. I

Re: Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443"

The Wanderer writes: >> And those are getting rare, I can't find a nice MUA for Android with >> proper threading. > > If you ever do find one, please let me know. The lack of such a thing is > the primary reason why I don't do E-mail on Android *at all*. Possibly FairEmail would fit the bill.

Re: Password managers

Why does "accepted/popular" matter? -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443"

"Susmita/Rajib" wrote: > I have been listening to the conversations on my thread begun with my > post https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/11/msg00505.html > > In my first email itself I had mentioned that I use "Gmail webmail > email-server". So have I, mostly for my amusement. > Yet in

Re: Password managers

On 13/11/2023 21:29, Erwan David wrote: That was a bad idea : lokking closer I see that kpcli does not support the latest keepass file format (v4) Trying "apt search" I have noticed some python tool "secrets" having python3-pykeepass in its dependency. Does anybody use it (or at least have

Re: Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443"

Hi Rajib, On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 08:58:42PM +0530, Susmita/Rajib wrote: > In my first email itself I had mentioned that I use "Gmail webmail > email-server". > > Yet in one of the replies I received, I get a comment like, "... > It sounds like whatever you are using to read email (your MUA) is

Re: Debian GNU/Linux Books

Timothy M Butterworth wrote: > All, > > I have been looking for commercial books written about Debian and there is > very little selection. I am considering writing an updated Debian GNU/Linux > Bible for Bookworm/Trixie. Before I started writing it I was wondering if > anyone would even be

Re: claws-mail

On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 04:39:02 + (UTC), mike.junk...@att.net wrote: >I'm running bookworm on a Raspberry Pi 4b. >mike@rpi4b3:~> uname -a >Linux MikesPI 6.1.0-rpi4-rpi-v8 #1 SMP PREEMPT Debian 1:6.1.54-1+rpt2 >(2023-10-05) aarch64 GNU/Linux >This install didn't include exim4, postfix or

Re: Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443"

I have been listening to the conversations on my thread begun with my post https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/11/msg00505.html In my first email itself I had mentioned that I use "Gmail webmail email-server". Yet in one of the replies I received, I get a comment like, "... It sounds like

Re: Linux supprt

> In my experience I get much better support from the user community of > an open source product then I get from paid support of a commercial > product. Frequently I know more about the product than the person I am > dealing with. Same for me. But I suspect we're in the minority.

Re: Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443"

On 2023-11-13, The Wanderer wrote: >> And those are getting rare, I can't find a nice MUA for Android with >> proper threading. > > If you ever do find one, please let me know. The lack of such a thing is > the primary reason why I don't do E-mail on Android *at all*. >From f-droid you can get

Re: claws-mail

Jeff, Karen picking up the spool of this thread for a moment. Can you share more on this claws email mailing list? I suspect, but may be wrong, that the posters point is that comparative factors impact preference. support indeed, organizational preference, if one is comfortable with imap

Re: On changing the subject lines, and gmail

On 2023-11-13, Andy Smith wrote: > (Neither would I be able to tell how many of those gmail.com users > read using the gmail web interface or their own MUA through IMAP > etc.) I stopped using gmail with my own MUA because of duplicates that can't be easily deleted when you fetch mails. gmail

Re: Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443"

On 2023-11-13 10:57:34 -0300, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: > And those are getting rare, I can't find a nice MUA for Android with > proper threading. Not sure if that counts, but Mutt in Termux? -- Vincent Lefèvre - Web: 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog:

Re: dmesg failed

On Saturday 11 November 2023 20:24:30 ajh-valmer wrote: Je me permets de revenir sur cette question n'ayant pas eu de réponse : Mes 2 disques durs sont SSD. Dans le BIOS, j'ai désactivé le disque dur Sata-3 qui a été retiré. # dmesg | grep failed [2.722765] ata2.01: failed to resume link

Re: PATH question

On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 9:29 AM Thomas George wrote: > As root I edited bashrc as found in root's home directory > On 11/11/23 23:23, Timothy Butterworth wrote: > > On November 11, 2023, at 8:51 PM, Thomas George > wrote: > > >I downloaded the google-chrome deb file to /opt/ > >used dpkg to

Re: Linux supprt (was: Hardware for a back up server? [WAS Re: How to use dmsetuup?])

On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 7:48 AM Stefan Monnier wrote: > > >> Indeed, technically-inclined people are often better served with Free > >> Software, and Free Software can also be a great choice for large > >> corporations who can either have on-site techsupport people or can hire > >> external

Re: PATH question

On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 9:29 AM Thomas George wrote: > As root I edited bashrc as found in root's home directory > On 11/11/23 23:23, Timothy Butterworth wrote: > > On November 11, 2023, at 8:51 PM, Thomas George > wrote: > > >I downloaded the google-chrome deb file to /opt/ > >used dpkg to

Re: Password managers

Le 13/11/2023 à 15:11, Klaus Singvogel a écrit : Erwan David wrote: Note that you may have less dependencies with kpcli (a cli client for keepass password files) I always was peering at kpcli. Do you have any experience switching between the CLI (kpcli) and the GUI (keepassxc) version

Re: Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443"

On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 10:57:34 -0300 Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: Hello Eduardo, >It's not only google, I'd say it's the norm, except for "advanced" >users that use good MUA. Now *I'm* shocked (like Andy Smith is). I haven't ever used web mail, so had no idea. >And those are getting rare, I

Re: Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443"

On 13/11/2023 11:10, The Wanderer wrote: On 2023-11-13 at 08:57, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: It's not only google, I'd say it's the norm, except for "advanced" users that use good MUA. And those are getting rare, I can't find a nice MUA for Android with proper threading. If you ever do find

Re: Password managers

Erwan David wrote: > Note that you may have less dependencies with kpcli (a cli client for > keepass password files) I always was peering at kpcli. Do you have any experience switching between the CLI (kpcli) and the GUI (keepassxc) version frequently? Is this flawless possible to switch from

Re: Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443"

Stefan Monnier (12023-11-13): > IIUC most people have never seen real threading :-( There is real threading: N 11-13 Susmita/Rajib(1.5K) Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023 N 11-13 Susmita/Rajib(0.6K) ├─> N 11-13

Re: Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443"

On 2023-11-13 at 08:57, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: > On 13/11/2023 09:31, Brad Rogers wrote: > >> On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 12:04:47 + Andy Smith >> wrote: >> >> Hello Andy, >> >> {gmail web interface} >>> that people put up with that. >> >> If they've always used google (and let's face it,

Re: USB2 not working after upgrading to bookworm

Hi, Thank you for your quick reply, Michael. On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 09:05:19PM +, Michael Kjörling wrote: > > What kernel, systemd and udev versions are installed and running in > the Bookworm install? kernel version 6.1 and systemd and udev version 252: $ uname -a Linux

Re: Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443"

On 13/11/2023 09:31, Brad Rogers wrote: On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 12:04:47 + Andy Smith wrote: Hello Andy, {gmail web interface} that people put up with that. If they've always used google (and let's face it, there are plenty of people that fall in to that category), then they have no

On changing the subject lines, and gmail

Hello, On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 04:39:01PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > If the advice you get solves a problem - post that back to the list > in the thread and change the message subject slightly to make it > clear that this is an answer. After being shocked to learn in this year 2023 that

Re: Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443"

> Wow. I'm genuinely shocked it is so bad and that people put up with > that. IIUC most people have never seen real threading :-( Worse, when I showed it to some non-techie users they didn't like it. Whether it's a kind of Stockholm syndrome or not is hard to tell. I suspect we'd have to

Re: Hardware for a back up server? [WAS Re: How to use dmsetuup?]

Anssi Saari [2023-11-13 12:34:13] wrote: > Stefan Monnier writes: >> My home NAS is in a completely different category: >> an ARM SBC with on-board SATA. Much smaller, extremely quiet (no fan), >> and between 5W and 10W of power consumption depending on whether it's >> mostly idle (the

Linux supprt (was: Hardware for a back up server? [WAS Re: How to use dmsetuup?])

>> Indeed, technically-inclined people are often better served with Free >> Software, and Free Software can also be a great choice for large >> corporations who can either have on-site techsupport people or can hire >> external support, but it is a lot more difficult to find commercial >> support

Re: Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443"

On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 12:04:47 + Andy Smith wrote: Hello Andy, {gmail web interface} > that people put up with that. If they've always used google (and let's face it, there are plenty of people that fall in to that category), then they have no experience of anything else and quite possibly

Re: claws-mail

On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 07:09:55 -0500 Jeffrey Walton wrote: Hello Jeffrey, >> >I seem to recall IMAP is a better choice than POP when using Claws. >> It makes no difference. >To whom? The OP's problem, or hypothetically? Sorry, I was not explicit; No difference to CM. POP3 and IMAP (etc,

Re: claws-mail

Am 13.11.2023 um 07:09:55 Uhr schrieb Jeffrey Walton: > It might be a good idea to join the Claws-Mail mailing list. I think > you will find there is a difference in the level of support for POP3 > and IMAP. There are usually several messages a month about the > differences. Can you please tell

Re: claws-mail

On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 6:59 AM Brad Rogers wrote: > > On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 05:22:13 -0500 > Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > Hello Jeffrey, > > >I seem to recall IMAP is a better choice than POP when using Claws. > > It makes no difference. To whom? The OP's problem, or hypothetically? > Many people

Re: Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443"

Hello, On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 11:48:31AM +, David wrote: > On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 at 11:29, Andy Smith wrote: > > It is only the most inept of MUAs that fail to use these headers > > and rely only on the Subject: header being the same. > > Agreed. But that's what the Gmail web interface has

Re: claws-mail

On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 05:22:13 -0500 Jeffrey Walton wrote: Hello Jeffrey, >I seem to recall IMAP is a better choice than POP when using Claws. It makes no difference. Many people prefer IMAP, certainly. Equally, there are those that prefer POP3 - myself among them. Of course, with google,

Re: Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443"

On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 at 11:29, Andy Smith wrote: > but as far as I know (I am not a Gmail user myself), > Gmail's web interface does do threading properly Hi, The Gmail web interface does not display emails as threads, by design [1]. """A conversation breaks off into a new conversation if

Re: claws-mail

On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 05:22:13 -0500 Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 4:42 AM wrote: > > > > I'm running bookworm on a Raspberry Pi 4b. > > mike@rpi4b3:~> uname -a > > Linux MikesPI 6.1.0-rpi4-rpi-v8 #1 SMP PREEMPT Debian > > 1:6.1.54-1+rpt2 (2023-10-05) aarch64 GNU/Linux This

Re: Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443"

Hello, On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 09:36:33AM +0530, Susmita/Rajib wrote: > May please the concerned portions of > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/11/msg00443.html be perused, > as a part of my conversation with Mr. Cater, also quoted below: > > "... There is one problem with this

Re: Hardware for a back up server? [WAS Re: How to use dmsetuup?]

Stefan Monnier writes: > My home NAS is in a completely different category: > an ARM SBC with on-board SATA. Much smaller, extremely quiet (no fan), > and between 5W and 10W of power consumption depending on whether it's > mostly idle (the overwhelmingly common case) or not. So which ARM SBC

Re: Help ! No syslog anymore

Am 13.11.23 um 10:13 schrieb Bhasker C V: I forgot to answer the question on why I am doing this I am experimenting on a no-log system where there is no writes what-so-ever to /var/log (except for mails) or systemd journal (currently kept volatile) /tmp/ is tmpfs mounted Attached is the

Re: claws-mail

On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 4:42 AM wrote: > > I'm running bookworm on a Raspberry Pi 4b. > mike@rpi4b3:~> uname -a > Linux MikesPI 6.1.0-rpi4-rpi-v8 #1 SMP PREEMPT Debian 1:6.1.54-1+rpt2 > (2023-10-05) aarch64 GNU/Linux > This install didn't include exim4, postfix or anything supplying sendmail

Re: upgrade to bookworm broke ssh x11 forwarding

On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 11:10:17AM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: [...] > This is what I've done for my old laptop, but the dropbear package > is *not* needed for that! You just need the dropbear-initramfs > package [...] Aha -- now I know the full story. Thanks, Vincent (and all the other smart

Re: upgrade to bookworm broke ssh x11 forwarding

On 2023-11-10 15:32:53 +, fxkl4...@protonmail.com wrote: > On Fri, 10 Nov 2023, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > On 2023-11-10 10:57:21 +0100, Michael wrote: > >> On Thursday, 9 November 2023 19:08:25 CET, Greg Wooledge wrote: > >>> No, this is not a normal phenomenon for bookworm upgrades. I've

Re: Help ! No syslog anymore

I forgot to answer the question on why I am doing this I am experimenting on a no-log system where there is no writes what-so-ever to /var/log (except for mails) or systemd journal (currently kept volatile) /tmp/ is tmpfs mounted Attached is the rsyslog config as-it-is being used now. On Sun,

Re: Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443"

On 2023-11-13, Susmita/Rajib wrote: > "... There is one problem with this approach, as stated earlier. For the > Mailing list, any change of subject from my Gmail webmail email-server > makes such an email detached from the main thread and treats it as a > different subject. I am not sure to