Re: The real Debian.org

1997-10-27 Thread Dave Cinege
On Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:43:56 +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: Thanks Dave, I needed a laugh to brighten up an otherwise uneventful day. And I thought all you had to do was mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with some technical details, I think I forgot to include the grovelling my email.. oops. Sorry Bruce,

The real Debian.org

1997-10-26 Thread Dave Cinege
Take heed people. This is what happens if you dare challenge the leadership of the Debian project. Personal attacks, compliants to your service provider, banishment from the project. They will gang-up on you and drive you away. You all should be ashamed of yourselves. If you are new to

Re: The real Debian.org

1997-10-26 Thread Dave Cinege
On Sun, 26 Oct 1997 12:25:56 -1000 (HST), Jimen Ching wrote: First off, I am not a developer of Debian packages and thus do not know how Bruce Perens manages the distribution. But basically I have two comments. 1. To DC, your first mistake was to post your request to all of the debian lists.

Re: IMPORTANT Correction: The real Debian.org

1997-10-26 Thread Dave Cinege
On Sun, 26 Oct 1997 23:54:15 +0100, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: On Sun, Oct 26, 1997 at 12:25:56PM -1000, Jimen Ching wrote: 2. To the users, it's so pitiful that users of a distribution is so quick to kick out a DEVELOPER just because he disagrees with the leader. Please notice that Dave Cinege

Re: * Formal call for the removal of Bruce Perens *

1997-10-25 Thread Dave Cinege
On Sat, 25 Oct 1997 14:57:18 -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: Because you didn't contribute anything accept noise and dissent. I've yet to see Bruce refuse to allow someone to work on Debian, who actually had something to contribute. From Ian to me, and Bruces interjection 2 days ago:

Re: Please recommend a quality 4GB hard drive

1997-10-13 Thread Dave Cinege
I build with all quantums now. They run good, fast and usually seems to be a good deal cooler then a seagate counter part. The main deciding factor is they have quick warranty turn. Seagates policy is CRAP! In the last 9 months I've used about 30 SCSI and IDE Fireballs, and half dozen 4gb

Re: mysql deb package

1997-10-10 Thread Dave Cinege
On Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:56:06 -0500 (CDT), Timothy Phan wrote: Hi, Would someone build the debian package for MySQL and other MySQL related such as mySQL-perl, mySQL-tcl, mySQL-JDBC, mySQL-ODBC on 1.3? I've downloaded the one in hamm/ and it requires libc6 which my debian box is not yet

Samba security hole....

1997-10-09 Thread Dave Cinege
A few weeks ago I remebmer seeing that big hole was found in samba. As of what debian package version has this been fixed? - http://www.psychosis.com/emc/ Elite MicroComputers 908-541-4214

Re: debian version 1.3.1 ?

1997-10-09 Thread Dave Cinege
On Wed, 8 Oct 1997 22:06:25 -0400 (EDT), Bob wrote: I recently add X to my debian box. My debian version still shows 1.3 Shouldn't this now read 1.3.1?? It should actualy read somewhere around 1.3.5, but some people in the project have found it to be more important to have a static rev number

1.2.4-ssl Re: Apache-ssl

1997-10-09 Thread Dave Cinege
On 06 Oct 1997 11:03:47 +0200, Christoph Martin wrote: It is a remainder. It will be removed soon. Look in unstable for an binary package. Any idea when 1.2.4-ssl will be available? - http://www.psychosis.com/emc/

Re: How to multitask in X-windows?

1997-10-01 Thread Dave Cinege
On Tue, 30 Sep 1997 20:04:53 -0400, Jason Costomiris wrote: On Tue, Sep 30, 1997 at 07:36:02PM -0400, ImmortaL wrote: : I need to know if there a way in x-windows for example in the shell itself : i would press the alt key and the F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6 to open a new window is : there a way to do this

Re: serial port speed

1997-09-26 Thread Dave Cinege
On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:21:15 +0100 (BST), David Wright wrote: On Wed, 24 Sep 1997, Dave Cinege wrote: On Wed, 24 Sep 1997 01:23:03 +1000, Lawrence wrote: Anyone knows the default serail port speed? It is 38,400bps? Which file responsible for this setting? I want to increase

Re: Graphical User Interface

1997-09-26 Thread Dave Cinege
On Fri, 26 Sep 1997 08:59:04 -0500, Tony Koehn wrote: I have never seen linux operate on any kind of graphical interface like Windows 95. What GUI do most people use? How easy is it to install? Someone told me of a web site that had different GUI stuff for linux but I lost it. Anyone have

Linux Termservers was:Re: How many modems ?

1997-09-24 Thread Dave Cinege
On Tue, 23 Sep 1997 08:44:49 -0400, Jason Costomiris wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 1997 at 07:41:52AM -0500, Dave Cinege wrote: : [1] A studly enough box to support 48 modems. : : Depends on dump or smart serial board. Smart, 486 66 should be comfortable, : dumb, pentium class...maybe 100. 16MB

Re: serial port speed

1997-09-24 Thread Dave Cinege
On Wed, 24 Sep 1997 01:23:03 +1000, Lawrence wrote: Anyone knows the default serail port speed? It is 38,400bps? Which file responsible for this setting? I want to increase it to 115,200bps. 38.4K, yes, /etc/rc.boot/0setserial, use the spd_vhi option.

Re: Multiple ethernets

1997-09-24 Thread Dave Cinege
On Tue, 23 Sep 1997 18:48:48 -0600, Mike Patterson wrote: I added the line: append = ether=0,320,eth1 Try telling it the IRQ. Maybe they are too 'close'. Move it to a higher IO port. - http://www.psychosis.com/emc/

RE: Multiple network cards. ARGH! Double ARGH! ;-)

1997-09-24 Thread Dave Cinege
On Wed, 24 Sep 1997 11:06:17 +, Paulo Almeida wrote: Hi Mike! I have faced the same problem but with 3Com cards. There is only one solution for this problem: use 2 different network cards. There is somekind of bug in debian, I think, because it just doesn't support 2 or more same network

Re: How many modems ?

1997-09-23 Thread Dave Cinege
On Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:49:22 -0400, Jason Costomiris wrote: On Mon, Sep 22, 1997 at 03:05:35AM -0500, Dave Cinege wrote: : Do yourself a favor, if you want a terminal server, buy a terminal server. : : If you need a good number of modems, pick up a used Livingston PM2 or : PM2e. If you need

Re: Backup with DAT SCSI tapes

1997-09-23 Thread Dave Cinege
On Mon, 22 Sep 1997 20:27:51 -0700 (PDT), Oz Dror wrote: Hi, I am having problems using taper as the backup program for my DAT SCSI tape. It seems that taper cannot handle the large amount of data. it generates very large info files and then crushes. Incremental backup is also not working well.

Re: debian-disent

1997-09-22 Thread Dave Cinege
On Sun, 21 Sep 1997 18:45:44 +0200, Martin Str|mberg wrote: I remember a message saying that a new list debian-disent had been formed. Is that list archived somewhere, like the other debian lists at http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/? http://www.psychosis.com/listarch/debian-dissent

Re: How many modems ?

1997-09-22 Thread Dave Cinege
On Sat, 20 Sep 1997 19:30:27 -0400, Jason Costomiris wrote: On Fri, Sep 19, 1997 at 02:09:29AM +0200, dada wrote: : How many modems can attach to my computer controlled by linux? I don't know about a theoretical maximum, however, I've seen people comfortably use 16 or 32, using multiport serial

Re: Incoming PPP question - subnetting

1997-09-20 Thread Dave Cinege
On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 15:36:01 -0500, Jens B. Jorgensen wrote: Kevin Traas wrote: Hmmm. What's the netmask on the ethernet interface? If it's set to 255.255.255.224 then everything should work fine even though Yes, it is. Then NT's routing algorithm is wrong or there are other routes

Re: cdda2wav - cannot that deice sgb

1997-09-16 Thread Dave Cinege
On Mon, 15 Sep 1997 20:08:38 +, Michael Legart wrote: Hi! I have a little problem getting cdda2wav to work... when i start the program, i'm just told that it cannot stat device sgb ... Because it can't. : Are you using it with ide or scsi cdrom?

Re: cdda2wav - cannot that deice sgb

1997-09-16 Thread Dave Cinege
On Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:50:21 +, Michael Legart wrote: Hi! Because it can't. : hahahahhah Are you using it with ide or scsi cdrom? ide ... I now have tryed -D /dev/hdd and that works ... well allmost! I get some errors when it running, but maybe thats because I have a 486

Linux Router Project - Initial beta release now available.

1997-09-12 Thread Dave Cinege
After much work I have just made the first beta available. It is dubbed a developers release, but it is very much a usable product for anyone that needs to build a router/terminal server now. (I'm using it in my equivalent to a Portmaster 2e) What has been made is a networking capable minimal

Re: Please recommend a quality 4GB hard drive

1997-09-10 Thread Dave Cinege
On Tue, 9 Sep 1997 19:41:28 -0400 (EDT), Tommy Lakofski wrote: Unfortunately, my experience is somewhat different -- I've had a Quantum Grand Prix 4.3GB die on me (dead spindle) after 10 months (and my office The Grand Prix was a well know peice of shit, and is no longer made. They replaced it

Re: Please recommend a quality 4GB hard drive

1997-09-10 Thread Dave Cinege
On 09 Sep 1997 15:07:41 -0700, Terrence Brannon wrote: The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted as well. We would like a SCSI 4GB hard disk to connect to our PC running Debian Linux 1.3. We may occassionally want to connect it to our Alpha's running Redhat

Re: www.linuxhq.com

1997-09-10 Thread Dave Cinege
On Mon, 8 Sep 1997 20:31:49 +, Adrian Bridgett wrote: On Sep 08, Nils Rennebarth wrote On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, Craig Sanders wrote: does anyone know what's happened to www.linuxhq.com? It appears to have moved to www.ecsnet.com, at least this is what altavista says. It's ping'able but http

Re: WantWEB/Linux/IP Masquerading

1997-09-05 Thread Dave Cinege
On Fri, 05 Sep 1997 16:25:03 -0800, Adam Shand wrote: I'd stay away from sat until LEO stuff starts to come out.the latency is 500ms+ jumping out 33,000 miles. Yep... but from what I understand this is minimised by the two way connection. Commands (eg. FTP/HTTP 'get' commands) are sent

Re: WantWEB/Linux/IP Masquerading

1997-09-05 Thread Dave Cinege
On Fri, 05 Sep 1997 14:49:37 -0800, Adam Shand wrote: I've been told that by using the miracles of IP masquerading, I can do this by purchasing a single connection for the server, and letting the remainder od the machines leach off it in some way. Yep this is very possible and not all that

Re: How to duplicate BOOT disk?

1997-09-05 Thread Dave Cinege
On Fri, 5 Sep 1997 05:33:42 +0200 (CEST), Remco Blaakmeer wrote: On Fri, 5 Sep 1997, Jimmy Lu wrote: I use BOOT disk to boot up my system. Now I want to duplicate the BOOT disk as a backup but I am having problem. I tried to mount BOOT disk in fd0 but it won't mount. I use: mount -t ext2

Re: Radius

1997-09-04 Thread Dave Cinege
On Wed, 3 Sep 1997 17:15:20 -0500, Tony Koehn wrote: Merit Radius 2.4.23C Hmm then I can't help much since I never used that one. What are you're logs showning? Anything? - http://www.psychosis.com/emc/ Elite

Re: Who knows stuff about WAN cards?

1997-09-04 Thread Dave Cinege
On Thu, 4 Sep 1997 14:13:30 -0400 (EDT), Pete Templin wrote: Hi there!! I'm doing some network consulting for a computer store, and we'd like to connect the store LAN to the Internet through a 56k or T1 connection. If possible, we'd like to save the expense of the router and perhaps the

Re: Radius

1997-09-03 Thread Dave Cinege
On Wed, 3 Sep 1997 09:09:00 -0500, Tony Koehn wrote: I am looking for someone who can tell me how I go about setting up radiusd. I need to see how I get it to get its info from another server?? Which one? Linvingston, Merit, or Cistron? The Cistronis not yet an 'officailly' available deb

Re: SCSI Host Adapter

1997-09-03 Thread Dave Cinege
On Wed, 3 Sep 1997 09:27:41 -0700 (PDT), Steve Witt wrote: I'm hoping that someone with some SCSI experience can give me some advice here. Look no further...you may accept my recommandation as the word of god. Buy a DPT. If a DPT is too expensive, buy a Buslogic. End of choices. (Don't buy

Re: Radius

1997-09-03 Thread Dave Cinege
On Wed, 3 Sep 1997 15:21:26 -0500, Tony Koehn wrote: My TS is a Computone Powerack OK, but what version of a SERVER are you trying to setting up on your linux box? The 3 I know of for Linux (2 debian are paks) are livingston, merit, and cistron.

Re: ppp connection

1997-09-02 Thread Dave Cinege
On Mon, 1 Sep 1997 12:22:59 -0400 (EDT), Paul Miller wrote: I have a cable modem that goes down once and awhile and I want to be able to dialup when it is down. I have a ppp-on script setup and I can connect (ppp0 is listing when I type ifconfig).. unfortchantly I can't do anything through that

Re: Building Debian Packages

1997-09-02 Thread Dave Cinege
On 02 Sep 1997 03:21:39 -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Hi, George == George Bonser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: George I am getting a bit frustrated here in locating the George documentation that I need to learn to build debian packages. Umm, would debian-devel be a better place for this

Re: Building Debian Packages

1997-09-02 Thread Dave Cinege
On Tue, 2 Sep 1997 08:49:36 -0400 (EDT), Alex Yukhimets wrote: George I am getting a bit frustrated here in locating the George documentation that I need to learn to build debian packages. Umm, would debian-devel be a better place for this topic? Umm isn't that a private list? NO! It

Re: Which PGP should I get?

1997-08-31 Thread Dave Cinege
On Sat, 30 Aug 1997 12:46:50 -0400, Gonzalo A. Diethelm wrote: Should I get pgp-us or pgp-i? I'm living in Chile, if that makes any difference. Which ever one your government says you can't use. -

Re: Qpopper ?

1997-08-30 Thread Dave Cinege
On Sat, 30 Aug 1997 14:08:37 +, Michael Legart wrote: Hi ! Just wondering if I can use the qpopper package, that comes with Debian 1.3, to make a pop3 mail server ? If so ... how do I configure it ? I have it installed, but I can't seem to find out how to create accounts etc. adduser

Re: 3C509B ISA Detection

1997-08-30 Thread Dave Cinege
On Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:29:53 -0700 (MST), Darin D. wrote: Here, no problems with a 3C509B. I disabled pnp and set the irq to 5 (for arbitrary reasons.) What do you get from `cat /proc/{interrupts,io}` ? I have tried different irq's and addresses and all of them have been clear of anything

Re: Qpopper ?

1997-08-30 Thread Dave Cinege
On Sat, 30 Aug 1997 21:29:24 +, Michael Legart wrote: Hmm this should not be. Do a 'ps aux' do you see /usr/sbin/inetd running? Can you telnet in? Can you ftp to yourself? (myhost$ ftp myhost) Yep ... inetd *is* runnning, *and* ftpd *is* configurared, but it still won't work. Is ftpd

Current qpopper compatible with qmail? (~/Mailbox)

1997-08-29 Thread Dave Cinege
I'm moving to qmail from smail. I can't get qpopper working. What I can find in the qmail docs says qpopper 2.2 needs a recompile to work with ~/Mailbox. Is the current version compatible in anyway, or do I need to grab the source? What about cucipop?

Re: Need pppd/PAP guru!

1997-08-28 Thread Dave Cinege
Also you may need the following in /etc/ppp/options: # force pppd to use your ISP user name as your 'host name' during the # PAP/CHAP authentication process name dcinege.! (with you user name) And if you experence machine gun redialing, comment out: lcp-echo-interval 30 lcp-echo-failure 4

Re: ide for java?

1997-08-27 Thread Dave Cinege
On Tue, 26 Aug 1997 16:28:37 -0700, Jim Pick wrote: hi is there any Java IDE interface to Linux? warnning: I'm loocking for an IDE diferent as JAVA WORKSHOP. You might try Vibe from Visix (www.visix.com). I've never tried it, but it is available for Linux. There is also the

New mailing list: debian-dissent

1997-08-27 Thread Dave Cinege
A new mailing list has been formed to function as an arena for discussions about changing the current Debian (non technical) structure and function. General discussion topicality about the Debian project is: reorganization restructuring splitting or branching purpose and ethics surrounding such

Re: Expelling David Cinege from the list

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Cinege
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:19:59 -0800 (AKDT), Britton wrote: to *purchase* software. Do you *really* want an operating system developed by people like *this* to control your mission-critical computing needs, Mr. Computer User? My guess is Englesh (heh) is this guys second language. I had been

Re: Prompt in Bash

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Cinege
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:32:35 -0300 (EST), Daniel Doro Ferrante wrote: Hi All ! Does anybody know how do I change colors in a bash prompt. I can do it in tcsh, but no succes with bash... (even after reading the man). #b/w prompt #PS1=\\h\\$ \\u [\\w] #Pretty color prompt.

Re: Release naming ...

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Cinege
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 20:42:21 -0400 (EDT), Richard G. Roberto wrote: A while ago I posted my feelings on this to Debian private, but it was _very_ ill received at the time. I'll restate it now. Commercial products do not rename their OS every time there's a bug fix! Then it's settled! Debian

Re: shielding from liability

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Cinege
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:15:52 -0500, Paul Serice wrote: Suppose, Bruce is going to drive tomorrow to Santa Cruz (from Berkeley) to participate in a meeting for Debian, and on the way he causes an accident. Before incorporation, no one knew how far the liability tail extended. (For example, the

My final words on Debian Inc.

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Cinege
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:21:26 -0500, Paul Serice wrote: Yes you have. I'm saying the work done be the people outside the US is now asscoiated with a US entity. It's not 'theirs' anymore, while it is in the US. O.k., I think I see where you're coming from. That's just not the way it works!

Re: Debian only like larger businesses

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Cinege
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 17:15:00 +0200, Joost Kooij wrote: I find it very hard to believe that Bruce is acting on himself. I firmly believe that his decisions are based upon serious discussions between many No developer has yet to post that the new 'policy' of backlogging rev numbers was

Re: shielding from liability

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Cinege
On Fri, 22 Aug 97 20:48 PDT, Bruce Perens wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It may not. An employee is working under the supervision of the corporation: he's just following orders. The corporation is presumed to be checking his work, so if his screwups get out it is held liable. Can you argue

Re: Debian only like larger businesses

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Cinege
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 08:48:30 -0700 (PDT), George Bonser wrote: Sorry, Bruce, but this is baloney! I have private email from you on both occasions when the archive changed without a release number change. The first time you said it was bad release engineering and would look into it. The second

Re: Anarchy! Yes, Anarchy!

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Cinege
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:34:41 +0200 (MET DST), E.L. Meijer \(Eric\) wrote: This is why there have ben how many changes to 1.3.1, and it's still called 1.3.1? That is an error you can criticize. It was not done on purpose, and therefore you cannot claim it is a severe flaw in the policy.

Re: Debian only like larger businesses

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Cinege
On 22 Aug 1997 12:03:43 -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Hi, For the record: The official CD is not an independent action on part of Bruce Perenes, all the developers (which is another way of saying Debian) decided that it was a Good Thing. I am getting tired of people singling out Bruce

Re: shielding from liability

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Cinege
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 22:57:29 -0500, Paul Serice wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Serice writes: Suppose, Bruce is going to drive tomorrow to Santa Cruz (from Berkeley) to participate in a meeting for Debian, and on the way he causes an accident. Before incorporation, no one knew how

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Cinege
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 13:12:48 CDT, Rick Hawkins wrote: Dave Cinege wrote, Yes you have. I'm saying the work done be the people outside the US is now asscoiated with a US entity. It's not 'theirs' anymore, while it is in the US. this is not true, in any sense of the word. The difference

Re: Dave Cinege and Paul Wade

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Cinege
On Fri, 22 Aug 97 21:49 PDT, Bruce Perens wrote: I sent this message to Dave Cinege and Paul Wade yesterday. From bruce Fri Aug 22 00:39:12 1997 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: you and debian-user Reply-To: Bruce Perens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Paul and Dave, When I return

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Cinege
On Sat, 23 Aug 1997 02:32:30 +0800, Dima wrote: OK Dave, here's a fresh one for you: remember LiGNUx? Here's what made him do that: Note that FSF is the same kind of corporation, a non-profit with a 501(c)3. And? -

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Cinege
On 22 Aug 1997 13:41:07 -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: If you do not think that the discussion came to a conclusion (BTW, Bruce did shift from his original proposal), then the proper forum is debian-devel. I did not see your s=comments there. Nobody is squashing dissent. All we are

Re: SPI Debian incorporation

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Cinege
On 22 Aug 1997 12:24:04 -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Hi, Fire == Fire Brand [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Fire I have to admit that I like 1.3.1 or 1.3.2 (or even 1.3.2.1) Fire better than 1.3.r1-fruit-files_your_mom.another-minor-change. The last bit is a wee bit of FUD. Fire Mainly,

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-22 Thread Dave Cinege
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:12:59 -0400 (EDT), Dale Scheetz wrote: On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Dave Cinege wrote: It's not about .1 R1, or Asub1, to the 2nd power of 4. It's about something that is frozen, actully staying frozen. If the disc says 1.3.1, I should be able crccheck the whole damn thing

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-22 Thread Dave Cinege
On 21 Aug 1997 16:08:05 -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: There are no fewer release. All releases are numbered (with revisions, not point versions). Technically, the two schemes are the same. Mr Cinege has escalated a percived, non-technical difference into a jihad. No I'm talking about

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-22 Thread Dave Cinege
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:30:52 -0500, Paul Serice wrote: The government has always been involved. In general though, it is With the developers and servers in Germany? nl? The presence of developers and servers in Germany does not limit the ability of the American legal system to reach the

Re: writing off the value of services donated

1997-08-22 Thread Dave Cinege
On Thu, 21 Aug 97 13:28 PDT, Bruce Perens wrote: Dave Cinege: Do you think the IRS will allow companies to write off the ftp bandwidth they donate? Yes, you can deduct the value of services donated to a 501(c)3 non-profit from your income for tax purposes. Not just FTP bandwidth, all sorts

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-22 Thread Dave Cinege
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 21:52:43 +0200, Ciccio wrote: If the orginization were not invloded in promotions, and makings CD-Rom, they could get back to simply working towards the orginazation of a quality product. Thats their purpose as far as I'm concerned, not worring about if CD makers

Re: Anarchy! Yes, Anarchy!

1997-08-22 Thread Dave Cinege
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 22:14:05 -0700 (PDT), George Bonser wrote: On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Mike Schmitz wrote: myself in alignment with David Cinege and Paul Wade. I do not think that _any_ decision should be made on business, marketing, or political reasons, Whatever the cost, ONLY quality of the

Re: Anarchy! Yes, Anarchy!

1997-08-22 Thread Dave Cinege
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:13:22 +0200 (MET DST), E.L. Meijer \(Eric\) wrote: Dave Cinege: A donation to 'debian' meant supporting the deveopers directly in some way, offering bandwidth, and contributing to the project. There were no direct bills to pay. The project could never fold unless

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-22 Thread Dave Cinege
On 21 Aug 1997 23:28:31 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: George Bonser writes: I think the idea is, you buy the 1.3 CDROM and pick up the revisions from the net. ... In this way, if a distribution goes defunct and is replaced, only the X.x-updates directory needs to be left around for people

Re: Debian Version Numbers Was: Is this the Debian Philosophy? (or.... $#@!@#$ bash 2.0!)

1997-08-21 Thread Dave Cinege
On Wed, 20 Aug 97 12:52 PDT, Bruce Perens wrote: How about a longer explanation on the list? I'm _SURE_ that _MANY_ inquiring minds would like to know. So, we want to make it clear that our CD, even if it is a revision or two behind, is still _current_ product in that you can easily hit our

Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Dave Cinege
On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:28:10 -0400, Eloy A. Paris wrote: my company uses Debian very seriously so I think is very fair to help the project with donations. I have just bought 2 Official Debian 1.3.1 CD's from LSL and I chose the product that includes a 5 dollar donation to the Debian project. And

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Dave Cinege
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 07:51:09 -0400 (EDT), Tim Sailer wrote: I think Debian was doing just fine before it started to receive cash donations. What expenses does it have? Can you make your books public Bruce? Check the donations page. It will show what has been collected. The only expense

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Dave Cinege
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:57:33 +0200, Ciccio wrote: On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 07:51:09 -0400 (EDT), Tim Sailer wrote: I think Debian was doing just fine before it started to receive cash donations. What expenses What's going wrong now? I'm using debian quite heavily, and nobody asked me to

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Dave Cinege
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:33:41 -0400 (EDT), Tim Sailer wrote: One of the reasons is that when people make a donation, it could be tax deductable. Right now it is not. We have to get 501(c)3 status with the US IRS first. Why? Of what intestest is that to the people that don't live in the USA. How

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Dave Cinege
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:42:02 -0400, Behan Webster wrote: Dave Cinege wrote: On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:28:10 -0400, Eloy A. Paris wrote: my company uses Debian very seriously so I think is very fair to help the project with donations. I have just bought 2 Official Debian 1.3.1 CD's from LSL

Re: incorporation

1997-08-21 Thread Dave Cinege
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:09:25 CDT, Rick Hawkins wrote: On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:28:10 -0400, Eloy A. Paris wrote: The purpose behind the official incorporation for Debian is still beyand me, and the more I think about it I don't like it. The project (like linux) has always been for

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Dave Cinege
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:34:29 -0400 (EDT), Tim Sailer wrote: In your email to me, Dave Cinege, you wrote: On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:42:02 -0400, Behan Webster wrote: Personally I think you're blowing things way out of proportion simply because you can't have things your way. Venting this anger

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Dave Cinege
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:19:55 -0400, Marc W. Brooks wrote: At 02:00 PM 8/21/97 -0400, Dave Cinege wrote: On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:33:41 -0400 (EDT), Tim Sailer wrote: One of the reasons is that when people make a donation, it could be tax deductable. Right now it is not. We have to get 501(c)3

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Dave Cinege
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:23:27 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 21, Dave Cinege wrote On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:33:41 -0400 (EDT), Tim Sailer wrote: One of the reasons is that when people make a donation, it could be tax deductable. Right now it is not. We have to get 501(c)3 status

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Dave Cinege
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:11:16 -0400, Marc W. Brooks wrote: Okay, I'm not sure where we disagree then. You admit that In most cases it won't even be feasible, but this also means that in some cases, it would be feasible. Could be...could. Why not give that option to people? Just wondering.

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Dave Cinege
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:20:36 -0400 (EDT), Will Lowe wrote: On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Dave Cinege wrote: If the orginization were not invloded in promotions, and makings CD-Rom, they could get back to simply working towards the orginazation of a quality product. Thats their purpose as far

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Dave Cinege
On 21 Aug 1997 13:23:32 -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Hi, Dave == Dave Cinege [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dave On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:28:10 -0400, Eloy A. Paris wrote: Dave I think Debian was doing just fine before it started to receive Dave cash donations. What expenses does it have? Can you

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Dave Cinege
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 20:05:09 +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: On top of that, not everyone can donate time or resourses, but they can contribute money. To who? Am I a part of Debian.org? Do I have a vote.even if I maintain 50 packages?? Do you maintain even one? No, but I am

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Dave Cinege
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:44:11 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 21, Dave Cinege wrote On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:23:27 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 21, Dave Cinege wrote I don't see the need. Well, many others did. And many others agreed with the other changes you disagree

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-21 Thread Dave Cinege
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:52:36 -0500, Paul Serice wrote: The purpose behind the official incorporation for Debian is still beyand me, and the more I think about it I don't like it. The project (like linux) has always been for freeholders all over the world. Why the US government suddenly has

Re: Debian Version Numbers - My rant on this

1997-08-20 Thread Dave Cinege
On Tue, 19 Aug 97 12:35 PDT, Bruce Perens wrote: So I am running Debian version 1.3 - and yet the CD says Debian 1.3.1 . Oops. My fault. The reason for two numbers is mostly marketing. I know that marketing is anathema to most of us, but someone's gotta do it and I'm afraid the task fell on

Re: Debian Version Numbers - My rant on this

1997-08-20 Thread Dave Cinege
On Tue, 19 Aug 1997 17:47:12 -0600 (MDT), Anthony Fok wrote: On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, Dave Cinege wrote: On Tue, 19 Aug 97 12:35 PDT, Bruce Perens wrote: So I am running Debian version 1.3 - and yet the CD says Debian 1.3.1 . Oops. My fault. The reason for two numbers is mostly marketing. I

Re: RAID5 controller

1997-08-08 Thread Dave Cinege
On Fri, 8 Aug 1997 07:34:41 -0400 (EDT), Jean Pierre LeJacq wrote: I've been using the DPT controller with Debian but only for RAID 1. I've had no trouble except for the e2fsprog bug. The RAID functionality is implemented in hardware and appears as a normal disk to Debian. I should also

Re: RAID5 controller

1997-08-07 Thread Dave Cinege
On Thu, 7 Aug 1997 11:23:13 -0700, Kevin Traas wrote: can anyone recommend a couple of tried and true RAID5 controllers i could price out? I've used the Mylex DAC960 PCI (3 and 5 channel). Very happy with them - but pricy. However, I've never used these under Linux, only SCO Unix and They

Netscape beta install ate my bookmarks!!

1997-08-05 Thread Dave Cinege
and I was not very fucking happy about it, let me tell you. Lucky I was able to recover 99% of them with lde and dd. I'm not sure if it was the wrapper itself or netscape. I saw the install say: Found /root/.netscape/booksmarks.html But I have no idea what it did once it found them. Yes I

Re: Netscape beta install package gone... Re: Comunicator 4.02b7 is out

1997-08-04 Thread Dave Cinege
On Mon, 4 Aug 1997 07:30:19 -0600 (MDT), Anthony Fok wrote: On Sun, 3 Aug 1997, Dave Cinege wrote: Strange, when I look all I see is an empty directory at ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/communicator/4.02/4.02b7/english/unix It's only on some ftp servers. I found it on ftp25; others gave

Re: Debian-lite

1997-08-04 Thread Dave Cinege
On Mon, 04 Aug 1997 11:02:55 +0200, Pierre Blanchet wrote: How about they just get the damn base disks and then install from FTP?!?!?! (Sorry, if you can't get to the net you don't count) AC == Alec Clews [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's why the name Debian-lite makes me sick. It reminds

Re: splitting up the debian-user mailing list

1997-08-04 Thread Dave Cinege
On Mon, 4 Aug 1997 09:33:57 +0200 (METDST), Christian Lynbech wrote: Bruce, I don't think it's going to make much difference. I'll wind-up subscribing to all the lists, and between the cc: ing between them I'll receive lots more dups...it will just be more of a bother to maintain...maybe so

Re: Help with Debian and ISDN

1997-08-04 Thread Dave Cinege
On Sun, 3 Aug 1997 12:27:45 +0700 (GMT-7), Udjat -A MiB wrote: On Sun, 3 Aug 1997, Dave Cinege wrote: I had this same problem with both a Zyxel Omni TA, and Elite 2864i. Drove me and my ISP crazy for a few days. My machine gun redialing manged to bring down his whole net

Re: Help with Debian and ISDN

1997-08-04 Thread Dave Cinege
On Sun, 3 Aug 1997 09:40:35 +0700 (GMT-7), Udjat -A MiB wrote: Also I cant seem to get LCP EchoReq to work. I have turned that feature in pppd off. (in /etc/ppp/options) On the same note I also cant seen to get LCP ConfReq working for bsd_comp.o eather. shrug I had this same problem with both a

Netscape beta install package gone... Re: Comunicator 4.02b7 is out

1997-08-04 Thread Dave Cinege
On Sun, 3 Aug 1997 08:58:29 -0400 (EDT), Randy Edwards wrote: On Sat, 2 Aug 1997, Rick Macdonald wrote: Strange, when I look all I see is an empty directory at ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/communicator/4.02/4.02b7/english/unix It's only on some ftp servers. I found it on ftp25; others

Re: libc5 and libc6

1997-07-17 Thread Dave Cinege
On Wed, 16 Jul 1997 23:17:08 -0400, Paul Miller wrote: How can I install *BOTH* libc5 and libc6?? Can't we all just get along? dpkg -i libc6 ; They coexsist fine, and I'm happy to say I'm now running apache 1.2.0 (a libc6 compile)

Questions about moving to libc6 (and apache)

1997-07-15 Thread Dave Cinege
I found the Apache 1.2 package in experimental, and now I know whyit requires libc6. What are the repercussion's if I install this on my 1.3.1 system? Can I just install libc6 and what uses libc6 with be happy, or will I need to remove libc5 and then have to worry about compatibility

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