Re: Disadvantages of Iceweasel instead of Firefox

2007-08-25 Thread s. keeling
Stefan Monnier [EMAIL PROTECTED]: As you all know, Debian Etch released with Iceweasel instead of Firefox. This is totally okay, but some applications (like X-Chat or Gaim/Pidgin) still uses firefox %u command instead of iceweasel %u for Never had this problem. The only problem I bumped

Re: Good fdisk Practices

2007-08-25 Thread s. keeling
Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 08/24/07 11:16, David Brodbeck wrote: Also, is there any good reason to have a separate /boot on a modern system? I always thought /boot was just a kludge to get around old BIOSes that couldn't load anything that wasn't on the first part of the I

Re: cannot logoff/shutdown properly

2007-08-25 Thread s. keeling
Manu Hack [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 8/24/07, Florian Kulzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would still like to know whether your system hangs if you try to switch to a terminal without shutting down gdm. If I have a graphical login prompt and press CTRL + ALT + Back I can go to a text mode

Re: Source of Debian wisdom

2007-08-19 Thread s. keeling
Mark Neidorff [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Recently I've set up a Debian Etch box which I'm nearly ready to bring up full time (currently using a different distribution...been a linux user for over 10 years). Fourteen here. :-) Here's an example of what this message is about: I've been reading

Re: shutdown

2007-08-12 Thread s. keeling
Mark Grieveson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello. I'm using Debian Etch. My machine does not completely shutdown -- I'm required to manually press the button (it's like being back in Check /var/log/messages for anything mentioning ACPI. The kernel may have decided your mboard is too old and has

Re: newbie here - system administration question

2007-08-10 Thread s. keeling
Per olof Ljungmark [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Where except on the local machine can I find Debian man pages? http://manpages.debian.net/ is not very informative I'm afraid... FWIW, I've always considered a *nix box which doesn't have manpages installed, a clumsily installed *nix box. Newbie:

Re: bash vs. python scripts - which one is better?

2007-08-10 Thread s. keeling
ss11223 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Aug 10, 10:30 am, s. keeling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Just remember to tell you editor to inserts spaces as tab and set the tab width to something reasonable like 4. E, yuck! It's code like that which makes me

Re: newbie here - system administration question

2007-08-10 Thread s. keeling
Per olof Ljungmark [EMAIL PROTECTED]: s. keeling wrote: Per olof Ljungmark [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Where except on the local machine can I find Debian man pages? http://manpages.debian.net/ is not very informative I'm afraid... [snip] And, if the online manpages does not work, why link

Re: Recomendations - becoming a C soldier.

2007-08-10 Thread s. keeling
Orestes leal [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi folks, 2 weeks ago I began to learn C, my advances are very good, my question it's that, The topic sounds funny but it's mostly serious, QUESTION: Studying C 'every day' 4 hours with good understanding, writing at least 10 programs to test this

Re: bash vs. python scripts - which one is better?

2007-08-10 Thread s. keeling
Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Just remember to tell you editor to inserts spaces as tab and set the tab width to something reasonable like 4. E, yuck! It's code like that which makes me happy for emacs: C-x h# mark entire buffer M-x untabify # replace

Re: Needed: spamtrap for...

2007-08-09 Thread s. keeling
Eric d'Alibut [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm sure anyone with responsibility for spam filtering has seen messages, many of them, which meet the following criteria: HTML formatted empty body one attachment, which is a pdf file Is there a spamassassin test which would score such messages

Re: Sarge-Etch Upgrade Minor Problems

2007-08-09 Thread s. keeling
Glennie Vignarajah [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Le Wednesday 08 August 2007, Aikins, Ronald (Ron) (CIV) disait: The default settings for vi have been changed. Display looks weird in terms of colors, etc. Can't figure what vi/vim file needs changing. I have backups of course of all pre-upgrade

Re: cups yet again

2007-08-06 Thread s. keeling
graham [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 05:02:07PM +0100, graham wrote: Yet another cups problem (the one program which makes me feel like I do when running windows - like putting a foot through the computer). So why run cups? Use LPRng and

Re: replacement for apt-listchanges?

2007-08-06 Thread s. keeling
Vincent Lefevre [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 2007-08-06 15:13:10 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: because breakage due to python occurs too frequently), it is important I still don't have any evidence that python breaks frequently. This is based on personal experience. Unfortunately I haven't kept

Re: dumb question about aAdobe Acrobat....

2007-07-28 Thread s. keeling
Michael Fothergill [EMAIL PROTECTED]: From: Tommi Asiala [EMAIL PROTECTED] Michael Fothergill wrote: I suggest you should try this new thing called Searching the web. It can give you nice links to web pages such as: http://wiki.debian.org/PDFViewers Don't suspect, read the web

Re: dumb question about aAdobe Acrobat....

2007-07-28 Thread s. keeling
Brad Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 15:57:11 -0500 John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you actually _need_ acroread? Xpdf isn't good enough? IIRC, Xpdf doesn't have the ability to do form filling. With acroread, you can fill out forms (they have to be set up to

Re: dumb question about aAdobe Acrobat....

2007-07-28 Thread s. keeling
Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 07/28/07 13:46, Michael Fothergill wrote: I was wrong. As Jesus said in the Bible O, ye of little faith. I Yeshua didn't speak English. But that's a way different topic. You spelt $DEITY wrong. I spell it Murphy. -- Any technology

Re: dumb question about aAdobe Acrobat....

2007-07-28 Thread s. keeling
Andrew J. Barr [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 7/28/07, s. keeling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yeshua didn't speak English. But that's a way different topic. You spelt $DEITY wrong. I spell it Murphy. *starts popcorn in the microwave* Uhhh ... That means

Re: dumb question about aAdobe Acrobat....

2007-07-28 Thread s. keeling
John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: s. keeling writes: That means Your comment contains negative information value, and I'm going for a walk? As in, So, what do you think about goldfish? No. It means A flamewar is about to start and I am going to sit back, eat popcorn, and watch the show

Re: [OT] Interview with Con Kolivas on Linux failures

2007-07-26 Thread s. keeling
Bob Proulx [EMAIL PROTECTED]: David Brodbeck wrote: To me it always smacked a little of me-too-ism, too ... the GNU folks felt Linux wasn't GNU-ish enough, so they had to go write their own kernel. The GNU Hurd has existed long before Linux existed. Hurd has been in development

Re: xprint config

2007-07-10 Thread s. keeling
Adam Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: does anybody here have any xprint config experience? My old workstation is getting a bit bloated, xprint is up the creek and I can't print to file / PS / PDF. I can't see anything visibly wrong with the configuration. I tried deinstalling and reinstalling,

Re: lpd: cron.daily found errors, run checkpc for details

2007-07-10 Thread s. keeling
Kees de Koster [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm running Debian Testing on a server, after the update on last Friday I get from logcheck the error 'Jul 7 06:58:00 minidragon lpd: cron.daily found errors, run checkpc for details.' If I run checkpc I get the message 'Warning - lp: cannot stat lp

Re: size and position of iceweasel window

2007-06-25 Thread s. keeling
Steve Kleene [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:13:55, I wrote Is there a way to make the iceweasel window consistently pop up at the same position every time? On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 20:18:09 +0100, Liam O'Toole replied: That's been a bug in firefox/iceweasel for as long as I

Re: time zone

2007-06-25 Thread s. keeling
Incoming from j j: See /etc/default/rcS rcS is supposed to check /etc/localtime or /usr/share/zoneinfo/US/Eastern. I dont have those files. Can I generate those files with a text editor? Weird. No, those come in (or are created by?) the tzdata package. aptitude update aptitude

Re: scripting - cat breaking line

2007-06-24 Thread s. keeling
L.V.Gandhi [EMAIL PROTECTED]: --=_Part_150443_25730719.1182692831198 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline T24gNi8yMy8wNywgR2FicmllbCBQYXJyb25kbyA8Zy5wYXJyb25kb0BnbWFpbC5jb20+IHdyb3Rl

Re: time zone

2007-06-24 Thread s. keeling
j j [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The time on my desktop is set to UTC. I'll like to read it EST. Is there See /etc/default/rcS Please don't post html to mailing lists. -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*)http://www.spots.ab.ca/~keeling Linux

Re: shrink /home

2007-06-21 Thread s. keeling
Marcelo Chiapparini [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I need to shrink my /home partition (/home has its own partition in the system). It is formatted in xfs, so shrink is not supported. In order to shrink it I am planning to use gparted in the following way: 1 - To do a backup of all files in the

Re: how to find the specs of a monitor

2007-06-21 Thread s. keeling
Kamaraju S Kusumanchi [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2007 at 07:56:01PM -0400, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote: It is not stupid at all. The problem is that I do not know the model of this monitor. All it says on the LCD panel is that it is a Dell monitor.

Re: Unexpected irq trap when booting

2007-06-21 Thread s. keeling
Jacob S [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:34:43 -0700 Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 06:49:41PM -0500, Jacob S wrote: Good thought, but acpi=off did not make any (noticeable) difference. It still hung during boot with an

Re: filtering processes

2007-06-19 Thread s. keeling
Jhair Tocancipa Triana [EMAIL PROTECTED]: pol writes: I would like to display running processes together with their time elapsed since they were launched (real time, not the time spent by the cpu) and sort them with time. ps -eo pid,comm,args,etime Wow. :-) Nothing he couldn't

Re: OS File Permission issue (chown -R root.root ../)

2007-06-19 Thread s. keeling
Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: OK.. So i was in my /root/ directory and put just one too many .s in By /root/, do you mean root's $HOME (~root), or do you mean root of the filesystem, /? the line... Now i have a lot of files that i own!! -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is

Re: Upgrading thousands of boxes via APT

2007-06-18 Thread s. keeling
Bob Proulx [EMAIL PROTECTED]: s. keeling wrote: Ben wrote: I was wondering if there's a Debian specific tool that could facilitate managing thousands of machines via APT. I'm aware that many people would recommend a sync option, where 1 machine serves as the master

Re: firefox slows system

2007-06-18 Thread s. keeling
Russell L. Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Over the past few weeks, all the tasks on my desktop machine (Debian Etch, Gnome desktop, typically booted twice daily) have been getting ever more sluggish. Others have suggested disabling pango if you've no need for foreign language support. export

Re: Upgrading thousands of boxes via APT

2007-06-17 Thread s. keeling
Ben [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I was wondering if there's a Debian specific tool that could facilitate managing thousands of machines via APT. I'm aware that many people would recommend a sync option, where 1 machine serves as the master, and the others sync off of that. Perhaps that is the

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-16 Thread s. keeling
Incoming from Daniel Burrows: On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 06:20:36PM +, s. keeling [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: There is still something odd here. I don't have most of those packages installed (I don't use a desktop environment) but apt

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-15 Thread s. keeling
Jan Willem Stumpel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: So, in other words, Debian sans CUPS isn't possible. You may not have to actually run it, but you have to have it installed. That's ridiculous. This is viral software. True. Unfortunately this virus has already spread widely.. At least 144

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-15 Thread s. keeling
John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: s. keeling wrote: (0) heretic /home/keeling_ aptitude -s install foomatic-gui ... The following packages will be automatically REMOVED: lprng toncho/~ sudo apt-get -s install foomatic-gui Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-15 Thread s. keeling
Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 06/15/07 11:20, s. keeling wrote: Well, I guess my system must be broken in some way, though I fail to understand why it works so well if it's broken. At least apt-get foomatic-gui is a very high-level python GNOME app. You don't have any GNOME

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-15 Thread s. keeling
John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: s. keeling writes: Well, I guess my system must be broken in some way, though I fail to understand why it works so well if it's broken. At least apt-get doesn't try to blow away lprng: There is still something odd here. I don't have most of those

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-15 Thread s. keeling
John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: s. keeling writes: There is no Gnome or KDE on this thing, yet xscreensaver works just as it always has. And why wouldn't it? It doesn't depend on any Gnome or KDE stuff. That's what I'm saying. It doesn't need them. I also see there's an xscreensaver

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-14 Thread s. keeling
CaT [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 01:29:49AM +, s. keeling wrote: Good for you, I'm glad for you; and irrelevant. Yes, CUPS works. What if you don't want to use CUPS? Have you not seen all the posts Then don't use it. Sigh. My point is, that's far easier said than

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-14 Thread s. keeling
Anthony Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 14 Jun 2007, CaT wrote: Then don't use it. I gave up on CUPS a long time ago. I did have it working but the results Previous to this non-DE install, I did a full Etch install just to see what it was like. I had CUPS working. It printed one

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-14 Thread s. keeling
JWS [EMAIL PROTECTED]: S. Keeling wrote: So, perhaps ca. two thousand, six hundred, and ninety five files which have nothing to do with my printer? At least they're all Astonishing. I've never understood the reason for having CUPS at I've never liked it from the first time I saw

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-14 Thread s. keeling
Florian Kulzer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 17:21:50 +, s. keeling wrote: Damned near everything drags in CUPS. I already had lprng installed, and foomatic-* wanted to remove it and install CUPS. Should I just Is it really that bad as far as CUPS is concerned? I

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-14 Thread s. keeling
Larry Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've got about 300 servers out there using lprng. My 1st run-in with cups gave me some surprises. 1) Removing cups generally removes X, desktop, etc... That's one of the best reasons I can think of for not installing it in the first place. So! If you want

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-14 Thread s. keeling
Florian Kulzer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: OK, I see, libgtk2.0-0 might be difficult to avoid on a desktop system and it depends on libcupsys2 in Lenny and Sid. However, the foomatic-* packages do not seem to depend on any CUPS packages. foomatic-filters and foomatic-filters-ppds both recommend

Re: Got a boot error when starting up

2007-06-14 Thread s. keeling
yong lee [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I am not a Linux expert. I hope someone would kindly help me or give me some suggestions to fix the problem. I just installed a pre-made/customized Linux 2.6.x kernel. I converted its installation package from the .rpm format to a .deb format using alien

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-14 Thread s. keeling
Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 06/14/07 16:19, s. keeling wrote: [copious output snipped] I rest my case. User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1pl1 (Debian) No wonder it wanted to pull in 145 packages: you're a text mode octogenarian! You're probably also running NetBSD on a VAX 11/785

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-14 Thread s. keeling
John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: s. keeling wrote: (0) heretic /home/keeling_ aptitude -s install foomatic-gui ... The following packages will be automatically REMOVED: lprng toncho/~ sudo apt-get -s install foomatic-gui Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree

Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-13 Thread s. keeling
This is on Etch with Desktop Environment de-selected on install (no Gnome or KDE :-). Perhaps my mistake was in installing xserver-xorg before printer configuration. Surely then, it would notice there'd be no web browser it could be configured with? Or can you confure CUPS with w3m? :-P It's

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-13 Thread s. keeling
CaT [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 10:36:57PM +, s. keeling wrote: This is on Etch with Desktop Environment de-selected on install (no Gnome or KDE :-). Perhaps my mistake was in installing xserver-xorg before printer configuration. Surely then, it would notice there'd

Re: Mutt now shows Autoview using /usr/bin/elinks

2007-06-12 Thread s. keeling
Kevin Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 04:15:02PM +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: Recent Lenny update: Mutt now shows Autoview using /usr/bin/elinks The default browser is set to lynx! I assume an update of shared-mime-info(?) has changed this but It was previously set

Re: crob chgrp

2007-06-12 Thread s. keeling
Chris Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I am trying to run the [following] in woody using cron so my cron 2,12,22,32,42,52 * * * * /path to macro I assume this is in /etc/crontab, yes? You need to tell cron who to run it by: 2,12,22,32,42,52 * * * * root /path to macro #!/bin/sh

Re: a2ps and bitstream vera fonts

2007-06-12 Thread s. keeling
Santanu Chatterjee [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Can you tell me how do I use Bitstream-Vera-Sans-Mono font with a2ps, enscript, etc.? Not exactly, but I use the -f switch on enscript passing it Courier7. Try playing with xlsfonts | grep -i bitstream or something. -- Any technology distinguishable

Re: advantages and disadvantages of local/lang en_CA.UTF-8?

2007-06-06 Thread s. keeling
Wei Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 6/6/07, Douglas Allan Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jun 06, 2007 at 01:24:32PM +0800, Wei Chen wrote: Things could be easy for English speaking people, since UTF-8 is fully compatible with ASCII. However, for people that do not speak English,

Re: problem

2007-06-06 Thread s. keeling
walter [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 10:06 +0200, walter wrote: I've lost a lot of time and plastic trying to download your dvds, cds. All corrupt. It seems you or somebody else don't want people know about What were the problems you experienced ? I can download ubuntu

Re: (solved) Re: does etch have package that allow user bypass Internet censorship

2007-06-03 Thread s. keeling
Serena Cantor [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 06/03/2007 12:37 AM, Serena Cantor wrote: I'm in mainland China. The government block some Web sites and some Web pages. I believe the software is called either Tor or Torfree. Great! It's tor. It works! Now I can see all pages blocked by

Re: Files used when a terminal window opens

2007-06-03 Thread s. keeling
Charles Blair [EMAIL PROTECTED]: After logging in on a gnome window, I often go to Accessories and root terminal. I have several shell variable setting and some other small tasks at the beginning. When I first set the system up, I had a file that did these things for me. However, I

Re: FireFox slowness

2007-06-02 Thread s. keeling
BartlebyScrivener [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On May 31, 4:00 pm, Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone else seeing absurdly slow responsiveness from iceweasel, Not that slow. But it's definitely much slower than running Firefox on XP. It's a shame. On the other hand it might inspire me to

Re: Is Etch Stable is really stable?

2007-05-30 Thread s. keeling
Deboo ^ [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Well, can someone tell me if I have to delete the /var/cache/apt/archives to do a clean install or is it that it will be cleaned too when issuing the apt-get install clean ? (0) heretic.spots.ab.ca /home/keeling_ aptitude search clean p bibclean

Re: xterm fonts - problem solved and able to replicate

2007-05-30 Thread s. keeling
Deboo ^ [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 5/24/07, Thomas Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deboo ^ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was trying some bigger fonts to use with xterm but adding them and then starting xterm would make xterm size very large, more than the screen size. So I edited

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-21 Thread s. keeling
Celejar [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I see your point about offensiveness, but I'll point out that the OT thread I started (Good, evil, etc) was a response to a sig that I felt attacked religion unfairly. Many people use quite provocative sigs, ridiculing (often wittily) political or religious

Re: [OT] Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-21 Thread s. keeling
Roberto C Sánchez [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 04:31:12PM +, s. keeling wrote: Celejar [EMAIL PROTECTED]: thread I started (Good, evil, etc) was a response to a sig that I felt attacked religion unfairly. Many people use quite provocative sigs, ridiculing

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-21 Thread s. keeling
Gnu_Raiz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: M. Fioretti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please avoid this kind of technical suggestions in this thread: * it is still the same unacceptable since you can buy ear plugs, I can yell whenever I want attitude. See my previous messages I think it's a valid solution

Re: xterm fonts

2007-05-20 Thread s. keeling
Deboo ^ [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 5/19/07, s. keeling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Go read /etc/X11/app-defaults/XTerm. Here's some of the stuff in my .Xresources which over-ride the system defn's: XTerm*geometry:90x43 [snip] Trying this, I lost the fluxbox menu

Re: xterm fonts

2007-05-19 Thread s. keeling
Deboo ^ [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 5/18/07, Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mkdir ~/.Xresource ln -s /etc/X11/app-defaults/XTerm ~/.Xresources/XTerm-system Also, how do you specify xterm options like bg and fg in these files or the .Xdefaults file? I set it in the

Re: xterm fonts

2007-05-19 Thread s. keeling
cga2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 11:07:22AM EDT, s. keeling wrote: cga2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, May 17, 2007 at 09:06:41PM EDT, s. keeling wrote: BTW, on many systems these days, .Xdefaults is deprecated and .Xresources is used instead. ymmv

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread s. keeling
Mike Bird [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Saturday 19 May 2007 08:02, M. Fioretti wrote: This is why I'm posting also this reply to the moderators. I really hope they put a stop to this, this time. Excellent reasoning and presentation Marco. I hope the listmasters will finally fix this

Re: OT: Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread s. keeling
M. Fioretti [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Personally, I had already decided that, from now on, any off topic rambling by the people we have already mentioned will cause an immediate reply, both on the list and to the moderators, requesting, with links to this thread, that they are banned from

Re: (OT) Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread s. keeling
Roberto C Sánchez [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 10:15:01PM +0200, M. Fioretti wrote: On Sat, May 19, 2007 14:34:50 PM -0400, Greg Folkert ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: That changes many thing. First off BANNING is not the answer. It will be seen a a bad thing by the

Re: man beeps more than woman

2007-05-19 Thread s. keeling
Roberto C Sánchez [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 02:29:48PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Deboo ^ wrote: I already made an alias to less to use less -q. That works if I use less manually but just not in man. I'll try what Greg said above. If you set PAGER=3D'less -q'

Re: xterm fonts

2007-05-18 Thread s. keeling
cga2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, May 17, 2007 at 09:06:41PM EDT, s. keeling wrote: BTW, on many systems these days, .Xdefaults is deprecated and .Xresources is used instead. ymmv. Interesting. .Xdefaults still works on debian etch. Did you deprecate it in what is it .. lenny

Re: xterm fonts

2007-05-17 Thread s. keeling
cga2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 05:38:57PM EDT, Deboo ^ wrote: I installed a minimal X sysetm with fluxbox and xterm and two other terminal emulators: eterm and mrxvt. But all three of them give very small fonts. WIth xterm, I was able to get a reasonable font with

Re: Typing an '@' symbol on an Apple keyboard

2007-05-16 Thread s. keeling
Florian Kulzer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 14:48:53 +0200, Matthias Brennwald (bwm) wrote: thanks for your replies so far. It looks like I'll have (i) to look harder to find the correct key combination or (ii) tweak the configuration my keyboard setup. I prefer (ii)

Re: [OT] Screen (was Affecting Inst. Change)

2007-05-13 Thread s. keeling
s. keeling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 05/11/07 19:36, s. keeling wrote: machines though. OSF/1 wasn't originally available for non-Ultra s/Ultra/Alpha/ -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*)http://www.spots.ab.ca

Re: [OT] Screen (was Affecting Inst. Change)

2007-05-12 Thread s. keeling
Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 05/11/07 19:36, s. keeling wrote: machines though. OSF/1 wasn't originally available for non-Ultra processors. Ultras? UltraSPARCS? I may have used the wrong name. What's the ca. '96 DEC processor line for workstations/small servers? -- Any

Re: [OT] Screen (was Affecting Inst. Change)

2007-05-11 Thread s. keeling
Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes, but competent OSs have batch queues for running such jobs. Why Unix has never had such a capability is beyond my understanding. man batch: at, batch, atq, atrm - queue, examine or delete jobs for later execution. (NO!! cron is *not* an adequate

Re: [OT] Screen (was Affecting Inst. Change)

2007-05-11 Thread s. keeling
Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 05/11/07 12:49, s. keeling wrote: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes, but competent OSs have batch queues for running such jobs. Why Unix has never had such a capability is beyond my understanding. man batch: at, batch, atq, atrm - queue, examine

Re: [OT] Re: Debian User List

2007-05-02 Thread s. keeling
Andrew J. Barr [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Michael Pobega wrote: Oh, and the point of this mail is that I too fall into the Young group, seeing as I'm seventeen. While most of my friends have spent half the day boasting about how AOL has a new layout, I've been trying to get a LUG set up in my

Re: [OT] Re: Debian User List

2007-05-02 Thread s. keeling
Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 06:26:46AM -0500, Cybe R. Wizard wrote: Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: But then again, each generation has it's faults. Just look at the 60s! Hey, watch it, bub; the '60s were the ideal time what with all the

Re: Debian/Etch/4.0 upgrade experience

2007-04-17 Thread s. keeling
James D. Freels [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Essentially flawless ! I have upgraded two i386 and one amd64 machines from sarge to etch. Except for configuration files that I changed myself, it was clean and straight forward. I am VERY impressed. =20 -- James D. Freels, Ph.D. [EMAIL

Re: Daily Updates

2007-04-14 Thread s. keeling
David E. Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:08:06 +0200 Joe Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You really should be specific to which version you're running. If you're running Sarge, you won't be getting many updates, if you're A related observation/question. I have been

Re: Daily Updates

2007-04-12 Thread s. keeling
Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 10:56:14PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 10:51:23PM -0400, Michael Pobega wrote: On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 08:32:33AM -0500, John Hasler wrote: Joe Hart writes: if you're running Etch you won't be

Re: Debian User List

2007-04-11 Thread s. keeling
Chris Bannister [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, Mar 31, 2007 at 01:45:13PM -0700, Tyler MacDonald wrote: Matus UHLAR - fantomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, I would prefer if [OT] messages would be kept [OOTL] (out of this list) I said this once before and got shot down, but here

Re: [debian-user] The List Standard

2007-04-11 Thread s. keeling
Andrew M.A. Cater [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [much generally good info snipped] that virtually everybody who posts to the list is also subscribed to the list, so that you don't normally need to cc. them. Not true. Anyone or anything can post to the list. Agreed that additional Cc:'s (unless

Re: [debian-user] The List Standard

2007-04-11 Thread s. keeling
Ted Hilts [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Chris Lale wrote: David E. Fox wrote: [...] Normally, one should just reply-to list, and it's considered bad form to mail the poster directly, unless asked to do so. In Thunderbird (Icedove), either click on Reply All, change

Re: Rejected posting [Was: Re: Halt [Display Keyboard and mouse] when gdm shows its login screen]

2007-04-03 Thread s. keeling
Andrei Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Shareef.Bassiouny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Moderator i dont uderstand this refusal ; kindly clarify I'm not the moderator, but I can try to clarify. It looks to me like you were trying to post to debian-user through google groups. AFAIK this

Re: Debian User List

2007-04-03 Thread s. keeling
Kamaraju S Kusumanchi [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Michael Pobega wrote: It would surely cut down on the number of RTFM and STFW responses, which I have to say don't appear as often as I expected they would. Actually, I have yet to see anyone on the list tell anyone to RTFM and STFW. I see that

Re: Accessing berkely database files

2007-04-01 Thread s. keeling
Micha Feigin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Is there any program available for linux (preferably packaged for debian), that would allow me to examine the contents of berkely database files? (I think that they are version 3) Version 3?!? Perhaps I'm comparing apples and oranges (BDB vs. Btree?)[0], but

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-04-01 Thread s. keeling
Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 03/30/07 09:02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] The order in question is this: http://www.kron.com/global/story.asp?s=1962000ClientType=Printable Changing subject... Text of Bush's Order on Treatment of Detainees [schnip]

Re: add memory and spam question

2007-04-01 Thread s. keeling
ann kok [EMAIL PROTECTED]: for the spam to inside, what is the command to easy to identify the huge mail to send to the server Just as an example, procmail: :0 B * 102400 { LOG=Too big --- :0: /dev/null } Which says, if the body of the message is greater than

Re: slrn crash -- froze everything

2007-04-01 Thread s. keeling
Tyler Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]: A couple weeks ago I had a problem while using slrn, with an error wriitng to file after I tried to exit. The input/output error messages I got suggested a hard drive problem, but that came to nothing. The whole thing was discussed in another thread here.

Re: Debian User List

2007-04-01 Thread s. keeling
Joe Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED]: John C wrote: Greg Folkert wrote: On Sat, 2007-03-31 at 20:45 -0500, John C wrote: Greg Folkert wrote: On Sat, 2007-03-31 at 13:45 -0700, Tyler MacDonald wrote: Matus UHLAR - fantomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, I would prefer if [OT] messages would

Re: Debian User List

2007-04-01 Thread s. keeling
Greg Folkert [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, 2007-04-01 at 14:04 -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Greg Folkert wrote: I wouldn't. I am itching for Etch to go stable so I can really help the brunt that will come. The brunt of questions that will FINALLY be there. All of this crap is filler for the

Re: I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian , Ian Murdock

2007-03-27 Thread s. keeling
Michael M. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Like I said, it's the when it's ready attitude taken to the extreme -- to the exclusion of providing users any kind of predictablility or expectations of timeliness -- that I don't like. Go elsewhere, please! Debian's job, from day one, has been to produce

Re: web browser choices

2007-03-23 Thread s. keeling
Joe Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED]: framebuffer is not a device in that respect. /dev/fb* is reffering to a floppy drive. You likely mean /dev/fd* is referring to floppy drives, which is just confusing the issue. :-) -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*)

Re: web browser choices

2007-03-22 Thread s. keeling
Michael Pobega [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 08:40:06PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 08:05:07PM -0400, Michael Pobega wrote: I've been searching for browsers for a while, and I've found a few that I like:

Re: Browser identification to websites

2007-03-22 Thread s. keeling
Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ken Heard wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: I would certainly like to see such and identification capability in Iceweasel.  What are the possibilities? Why not treat the problem, not the symptoms, and insist on only

Re: Browser identification to websites

2007-03-22 Thread s. keeling
Ken Heard [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Paul Johnson wrote: Why not treat the problem, not the symptoms, and insist on only visiting websites that respect your choice of software in the first place, and/or let companies that don't know why you won't be doing business with them again or anytime in

Re: Change Locale of One/All Running Application(s)

2007-03-22 Thread s. keeling
Sven Arvidsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, 2007-03-22 at 02:54 +, s. keeling wrote: When I give a demo to my friend, I want the desktop environment to use my friend's language. Then determine the locale your friend understands, set your locale to that value, logout, then log

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