OT Apolog. Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping

2002-05-28 Thread Daniel Toffetti
On Monday 27 May 2002 19:52, you wrote: on Mon, May 27, 2002, Daniel Toffetti ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Monday 27 May 2002 08:37, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 09:42:06PM -0500, Dale Hair wrote: I think it's safe to say this has little or nothing to do with Debian. I

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-28 Thread Adam Majer
On Mon, May 27, 2002 at 10:05:28AM +1000, John wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 08:37, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 04:46:29AM -0700, Craig Dickson wrote: [snip] To make an observation, Americans have this bizarre superiority complex. Oregonians, and to a

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re:disableparagraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-27 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 22:56, Craig Dickson wrote: begin John Griffiths quotation: (A _continent_ got the crap bombed out of it? just darwin So Hitler was a creationist? Wrong hemisphere (actually 2 wrong hemispheres), wrong ruler... --

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-27 Thread Ian D. Stewart
On 2002.05.26 23:21 Ron Johnson wrote: On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 21:42, Dale Hair wrote: Actually, the USA was asked to help Australia in 1939. We had the crap bombed out of us. After Pearl Harbour the USA decided that Oz was a great place to base a lot of Operations. Most Americans tend to

Re: OT: debian-beer

2002-05-27 Thread Ian D. Stewart
On 2002.05.26 23:04 Ron Johnson wrote: On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 21:11, John Griffiths wrote: (A _continent_ got the crap bombed out of it? just darwin Darwinians (Darwinites?) obviously didn't like it much, but it's an awful huge leap from Darwin got the crap bombed out of it to we got the

Re: OT: debian-beer

2002-05-27 Thread John
Ian D. Stewart wrote: On 2002.05.26 23:04 Ron Johnson wrote: On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 21:11, John Griffiths wrote: (A _continent_ got the crap bombed out of it? just darwin Darwinians (Darwinites?) obviously didn't like it much, but it's an awful huge leap from Darwin got the crap bombed

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re:disableparagraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-27 Thread Travis Crump
Ron Johnson wrote: On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 22:56, Craig Dickson wrote: begin John Griffiths quotation: (A _continent_ got the crap bombed out of it? just darwin So Hitler was a creationist? Wrong hemisphere (actually 2 wrong hemispheres), wrong ruler... Last I checked Germany

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was:Re:disableparagraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-27 Thread John Griffiths
Last I checked Germany and Australia were both in the Eastern Hemisphere... oh we are S OT anyway only one nation on earth divides the world into US and THEM and calls it the western and eastern hemispheres. I guess you'd be from the USA then? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-27 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 23:02, Ian D. Stewart wrote: On 2002.05.26 23:21 Ron Johnson wrote: On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 21:42, Dale Hair wrote: Actually, the USA was asked to help Australia in 1939. We had the crap bombed out of us. After Pearl Harbour the USA decided that Oz was a

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was:Re:disableparagraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-27 Thread Ron Johnson
On Mon, 2002-05-27 at 00:01, John Griffiths wrote: Last I checked Germany and Australia were both in the Eastern Hemisphere... oh we are S OT anyway only one nation on earth divides the world into US and THEM and calls it the western and eastern hemispheres. ? I guess you'd

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re:disableparagraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-27 Thread Ron Johnson
On Mon, 2002-05-27 at 00:02, Travis Crump wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 22:56, Craig Dickson wrote: begin John Griffiths quotation: (A _continent_ got the crap bombed out of it? just darwin So Hitler was a creationist? Wrong hemisphere (actually

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping[was:Re:disableparagraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-27 Thread John Griffiths
Ron Johnson wrote: Still, wrong hemisphere, wrong ruler... Do Aussies have the concept of New World and Old World? Is it still the RAN, the RAAF, etc? Still loyal soldiers of the Queen. the airforce is RAAF, navy is RAN, the army is the Australian Army, but the fighting units are all still 1

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-27 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 09:42:06PM -0500, Dale Hair wrote: Most Americans tend to be isolationists and pacifists, it took Pearl Harbor to awaken the sleeping giant. It actually created a giant superpower as we like to refer to ourselves. Then on Sept. 11 the giant awoke again. If something

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-27 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 10:21:46PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: Nothing like militaristic Nazi Germany will happen again while the US is the lone hyperpower. There's that superiority complex again. -- Baloo pgpSPFyBaCdj0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-27 Thread David Jackson
Would you deep thinker mind taking this tread offline. Or maybe start a new list debian-soapbox Thanks, David On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 10:21:46PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: Nothing like militaristic Nazi Germany will happen again while the US is the lone hyperpower. There's that

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-27 Thread Thomas Good
On Sun, 26 May 2002, Ian D. Stewart wrote: Oh, that's nothing. You should see what the Yanks do to folks they really don't like (hint: do a Google search for 'Sherman March Sea'). You wanna talk about bitter? South Carolina's unofficial state motto is 'WE didn't surrender' Ian, I've

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-27 Thread Michael D. Crawford
I just realized I started this thread, several topics ago! Nothing like militaristic Nazi Germany will happen again while the US is the lone hyperpower. Unless fascism takes root in the United States itself. Please read my essay Is This the America I Love

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-27 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, May 27, 2002 at 08:02:33AM -0400, Thomas Good wrote: But our behaviour as a nation is still young and foolish - maybe if our elected officials served their country rather than their wallets we would mature as nation, at a faster pace. I think the lacking Unfortunately, the

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-27 Thread Ian D. Stewart
On 2002.05.27 08:02 Thomas Good wrote: On Sun, 26 May 2002, Ian D. Stewart wrote: Oh, that's nothing. You should see what the Yanks do to folks they really don't like (hint: do a Google search for 'Sherman March Sea'). You wanna talk about bitter? South Carolina's unofficial state motto

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-27 Thread ben
On Monday 27 May 2002 05:02 am, Thomas Good wrote: [snip] I've come to regard (former President) Jimmy Carter as a sort of Yank version of Gandhi. He works hard to help people in need (Habitat for Humanity), uses his influence for the common good (trying to normalise relations with Castro),

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-27 Thread Daniel Toffetti
On Monday 27 May 2002 08:37, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 09:42:06PM -0500, Dale Hair wrote: Most Americans tend to be isolationists and pacifists, it took Pearl Harbor to awaken the sleeping giant. It actually created a giant superpower as we like to refer to ourselves.

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-27 Thread Dale Hair
This contradiction is only apparent. While it's perhaps true that most citizen of the USA (*) are pacifist, most of them are also unaware of what their government _actually_ do in the matter of foriegn affairs. This is true, but I think most US citizens prefer to not know these things,

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-27 Thread Keith Willoughby
Dale Hair [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: CIA's School of the Americas trained military men from most countries in South America in torturing and dirty war techniques. US supported economically and politically all of the coups d'etat during the '70s, mainly to stop the lefty political

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-27 Thread Scott Henson
On Mon, 2002-05-27 at 17:54, Keith Willoughby wrote: Dale Hair [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: CIA's School of the Americas trained military men from most countries in South America in torturing and dirty war techniques. US supported economically and politically all of the coups d'etat

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re:disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-27 Thread John Griffiths
At 06:49 PM 5/27/02 -0400, Scott Henson wrote: WOW, sponsor one coup and everyone thinks your the bad guy. ;-) ONE? if only! I think the resentment is cause by a heady mix of cavalier US Government's and a population that doesn't care what suffering its government causes beyond the USA's

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-27 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Mon, May 27, 2002, Thomas Good ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sun, 26 May 2002, Ian D. Stewart wrote: Oh, that's nothing. You should see what the Yanks do to folks they really don't like (hint: do a Google search for 'Sherman March Sea'). You wanna talk about bitter? South

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: =?iso-8859-1?q?disable paragraphflows=20in?= mozilla?])

2002-05-27 Thread John
Daniel Toffetti wrote: On Monday 27 May 2002 08:37, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 09:42:06PM -0500, Dale Hair wrote: Most Americans tend to be isolationists and pacifists, it took Pearl Harbor to awaken the sleeping giant. It actually created a giant superpower as we like to

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-27 Thread Dale Hair
You're right, I forgot how I got into this thread, I think it was the beer. I just poured myself a shot of Bushmills, an Irish whisky. Memorial Day weekend is over and I'm facing the alligators again in the morning. I've pointed this out off-list to several participants. This discussion is

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-26 Thread Scott Henson
On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 23:29, Paul Johnson wrote: snip As much as US action was admirable during World War II, I've noticed that pretty much every American accomplishment mentioned in casual conversation is extremely violent, and yet Americans still refer to America as a peace-loving nation.

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-26 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 22:29, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 11:12:37AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: It's not a bizarre superiority complex. May not be valid, but certainly not bizarre. I can list 1,000 US accomplish- ments, not the least of which is making sure that Aussies

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-26 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 12:02:35AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: home and abroad. And it was still a cheap shot for the national gaurd to open fire from a helicopter on an unarmed, peaceful war protest. You aren't talking about Kent State are you? I think that's where it was, I

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-26 Thread Glyn Millington
On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 11:12:37AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: It's not a bizarre superiority complex. May not be valid, but certainly not bizarre. I can list 1,000 US accomplish- ments, not the least of which is making sure that Aussies aren't not speaking Japanese, and the Brits now

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-26 Thread Craig Dickson
begin Craig Dickson quotation: (Hah. NOW we'll have a flamewar.) Look, guys, it was a JOKE. J - O - K - E. JOKE. Not meant to be taken seriously. Craig pgpYBYMP2G6l6.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-26 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 00:41, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 12:02:35AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: home and abroad. And it was still a cheap shot for the national gaurd to open fire from a helicopter on an unarmed, peaceful war protest. You aren't talking about

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-26 Thread Thomas Good
On Sat, 25 May 2002, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 12:02:35AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: home and abroad. And it was still a cheap shot for the national gaurd to open fire from a helicopter on an unarmed, peaceful war protest. You aren't talking about Kent State

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-26 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 07:57:27AM -0400, Thomas Good wrote: about this insensitive behaviour. This sort of thing is not taught in American schools perhaps because it is seemingly at odds with our democratic principles. The less polished side of US history is covered well by Howard Zinn

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraph flows in mozilla?])

2002-05-26 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, May 24, 2002 at 07:34:51PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: of sharp turns, short but steep hills and one-lane corduroy bridges. They make bridges out of corduroy? Wow, Canada's even weirder than I'd heard...;) -rob, currently thinking about a long, cold pint of Kilkenny pgprFIsM6qYQP.pgp

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-26 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 06:57, Thomas Good wrote: On Sat, 25 May 2002, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 12:02:35AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: [snip] By the way gents, there was no helicopter involved at Kent State. 2 days before the Massacre, there was a helicopter used to try and

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-26 Thread John
Ron Johnson wrote: On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 08:37, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 04:46:29AM -0700, Craig Dickson wrote: [snip] To make an observation, Americans have this bizarre superiority complex. Oregonians, and to a lesser degree, Idahoans, tend to look in from the

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-26 Thread Ian D. Stewart
On 2002.05.26 20:05 John wrote: There's a lot of Aussies still pretty bitter about how hard it was to get the Yanks to abandon the idea of giving nearly half the contenent to the Empire. We sometimes wonder if that's what our allies are like what would we expect in say an invasion from

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-26 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 19:05, John wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 08:37, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 04:46:29AM -0700, Craig Dickson wrote: [snip] To make an observation, Americans have this bizarre superiority complex. Oregonians, and to a lesser

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re:disableparagraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-26 Thread John Griffiths
(A _continent_ got the crap bombed out of it? just darwin Very strong internal isolationist sentiments allowed even Lend-Lease to only pass Congress after major arm-twisting by Roosevelt. The only reason the the USN was able to help with GB in the BoA before 07-Dec was by not making it

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-26 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 19:38, Ian D. Stewart wrote: On 2002.05.26 20:05 John wrote: There's a lot of Aussies still pretty bitter about how hard it was to get the Yanks to abandon the idea of giving nearly half the contenent to the Empire. We sometimes wonder if that's what our allies

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-26 Thread Dale Hair
Actually, the USA was asked to help Australia in 1939. We had the crap bombed out of us. After Pearl Harbour the USA decided that Oz was a great place to base a lot of Operations. Most Americans tend to be isolationists and pacifists, it took Pearl Harbor to awaken the sleeping giant. It

Re: OT: debian-beer

2002-05-26 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 21:11, John Griffiths wrote: (A _continent_ got the crap bombed out of it? just darwin Darwinians (Darwinites?) obviously didn't like it much, but it's an awful huge leap from Darwin got the crap bombed out of it to we got the crap bombed out of us. (Unless John

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-26 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 21:42, Dale Hair wrote: Actually, the USA was asked to help Australia in 1939. We had the crap bombed out of us. After Pearl Harbour the USA decided that Oz was a great place to base a lot of Operations. Most Americans tend to be isolationists and pacifists, it

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re:disableparagraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-26 Thread Craig Dickson
begin John Griffiths quotation: (A _continent_ got the crap bombed out of it? just darwin So Hitler was a creationist? (Sorry, couldn't resist.) Craig pgpIb08OtQpNW.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-25 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Thu, May 23, 2002, Craig Dickson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Glyn Millington wrote: When woody emerges, what's the best champagne? By definition, one from Champagne, France -- anything else is not champagne, only sparkling wine (not that that can't be good; I'm just being picky about

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-25 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 01:40:07AM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: Pity there's nobody on the list living in Napa serving the wine industry Or Oregon, for those of us who avoid sending money to California. I'm coming up with another reason to recommend Debian: what _other_ distro has

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-25 Thread Peter Whysall
On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 09:49, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 01:40:07AM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: Pity there's nobody on the list living in Napa serving the wine industry Or Oregon, for those of us who avoid sending money to California. I'm coming up with another

Re: OT: debian-beer and Scots Whisky

2002-05-25 Thread Thomas Good
On Fri, 24 May 2002, Paul Johnson wrote: There's just not a lot you can do with an American standard or a lager beer to make it better. Canadians just manage to do a little better than Americans do at both, though. But then again, there's very little that Canada doesn't do better than the

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-25 Thread Craig Dickson
begin Karsten M. Self quotation: I'm coming up with another reason to recommend Debian: what _other_ distro has 100+ post flamewars on beer? Actually, the amazing thing is that it hasn't been a flamewar at all, aside from a few mildly inflammatory remarks from Australians and Canadians (two

Re: OT: debian-beer and Scots Whisky

2002-05-25 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 07:05:16AM -0400, Thomas Good wrote: function as a diuretic. Perhaps it was spawned from the same mentality that produced such wonders as naugahyde and fake leather (leatherette?) jackets. In fact I easily envision a bar full of vinyl clad patrons sipping Bud

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-25 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 04:46:29AM -0700, Craig Dickson wrote: Actually, the amazing thing is that it hasn't been a flamewar at all, aside from a few mildly inflammatory remarks from Australians and Canadians (two countries whose inhabitants are well-known for their inferiority complexes).

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-25 Thread Daniel Toffetti
If you want to spend less than US $30, then unless you find a real bargain somewhere, you're stuck with California sparkling wines, in which case Domain Chandon is a reasonable choice. We've sampled Gloria Ferrer Fridays at work, it's passable dry bubbly. I should ask around for some

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-25 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 08:37, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 04:46:29AM -0700, Craig Dickson wrote: [snip] To make an observation, Americans have this bizarre superiority complex. Oregonians, and to a lesser degree, Idahoans, tend to look in from the It's not a bizarre superiority

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-25 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 01:00:51PM -0300, Daniel Toffetti wrote: Not only that, nobody even DARED to post complaining stay on topic, please !... :) My only real disappointment is the subject line I put on when the topic changed didn't stick... apt-get install debian-beer -- Baloo

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-25 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 11:12:37AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: It's not a bizarre superiority complex. May not be valid, but certainly not bizarre. I can list 1,000 US accomplish- ments, not the least of which is making sure that Aussies aren't not speaking Japanese, and the Brits now

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraph flows in mozilla?])

2002-05-24 Thread Kirk Strauser
At 2002-05-24T00:46:44Z, Tom Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hmmm. Could we sue Fosters' for defamation? Probably. I visited Perth in '94 (courtesy of the U.S. Navy), and found your beer both your beer and your inhabitants to be perfectly enjoyable. :) -- Kirk Strauser -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraph flows in mozilla?])

2002-05-24 Thread John Hasler
Tom writes: Could we sue Fosters' for defamation? You should. It's the only Australian beer most Americans (including me) have ever tasted, and most assume that it is representative. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, Wisconsin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-24 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 12:33:38PM -0700, Craig Dickson wrote: Guinness's cans even have a little gadget inside to pump up the head as you pour it out. Interesting... are there any good pictures on the web of a Guinness can disected? My roommates aren't into Guinness (preferring Moosehead,

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraph flows in mozilla?])

2002-05-24 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, May 24, 2002 at 08:39:21AM +1000, John wrote: Actually, when I was working in California I discovered that the Foster's there is brewed under license in Canada. I actually had a lot of fun when Americans would try to sell me Fosters - I'd pull out my ID and tell them I'm Mr Foster

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraph flows in mozilla?])

2002-05-24 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 09:41:24PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: Tom writes: Could we sue Fosters' for defamation? You should. It's the only Australian beer most Americans (including me) have ever tasted, and most assume that it is representative. I assumed that, myself, and I try to assume

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraph flows in mozilla?])

2002-05-24 Thread Javier Bertoli
On Tue, 21 May 2002, Daniel Toffetti wrote: No, no, no. American beer is American beer. Come to England and try a decent bitter or ale sometime ... If they are close to the Irish Guinness, I'll follow you :) I used to buy a can of Guinness from time to time, but life went very hard

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraph flows in mozilla?])

2002-05-24 Thread John Hasler
Javier Bertoli writes: I'm seriously thinking on brewing my own! I've done that. It isn't hard. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraph flows in mozilla?])

2002-05-24 Thread Cam Ellison
* Craig Dickson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Daniel Toffetti wrote: No, no, no. American beer is American beer. Come to England and try a decent bitter or ale sometime ... If they are close to the Irish Guinness, I'll follow you :) No no no no. This guys having you on.

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraph flows in mozilla?])

2002-05-24 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, May 24, 2002 at 06:48:42AM -0700, Cam Ellison wrote: Offerings from the large commercial breweries vary (with the exception of Keith's and Moosehead -- I'm not familiar with Unibroue) from barely acceptable to plain awful -- one produces Budweiser under license, which strikes me as

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraph flows in mozilla?])

2002-05-24 Thread Dale Hair
There's just not a lot you can do with an American standard or a lager beer to make it better. Agreed on the American lager, but are you throwing German lagers in there also. I really enjoy ales, especially dark ales, I'm in unison with Craig Dickson's opinions posted on his site. However

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraph flows in mozilla?])

2002-05-24 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, May 24, 2002 at 10:15:31PM -0500, Dale Hair wrote: Agreed on the American lager, but are you throwing German lagers in there also. I really enjoy ales, especially dark ales, I'm in unison with Craig Dickson's opinions posted on his site. I'm just going on what I've experianced.

Re: OT: debian-beer

2002-05-23 Thread dman
On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 08:07:23PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: | BTW spamassassin has started marking this thread SPAM. Really? It got -4.4 on my system (IN_REP_TO). | A hint? Sure :-). -- If we claim we have not sinned, we make Him out to be a liar and His Word has no place in our lives.

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraph flows in mozilla?])

2002-05-23 Thread Paul 'Baloo' Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 22 May 2002, Craig Dickson wrote: Meanwhile, most Canadian beer is nearly as bad as American macro-breweries; the only really good Canadian brewery I know of is Unibroue, which is in Quebec and therefore only nominally Canadian. Have you

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraph flows in mozilla?])

2002-05-23 Thread Gary Turner
On Thu, 23 May 2002 08:56:05 +0930, Tom Cook wrote: On 0, Daniel Toffetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Oh boy, here comes a flame war... opinion source=what I've tasted The Irish, without a shadow of a doubt, make the best beer in the world. They are just damn good at it. After them, and I

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraph flows in mozilla?])

2002-05-23 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 10:23:23AM +0930, Tom Cook wrote: Oh, good Lord, no. No no no no no. Fosters is what we _export_. Try to find Coopers' Ales (pale or dark), Carlton United Breweries Crown Lager or Cold Filtered. Don't *ever* drink Australian beer from a can, it's just not worth it.

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraph flows in mozilla?])

2002-05-23 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 10:56:50AM +1000, Wienand Ian wrote: Where do people get the impression that Foster's is an Australian beer Fosters has been running an ad campaign for the last few years that always starts with How to speak Australian and always ends with Fosters, Australian for

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraph flows in mozilla?])

2002-05-23 Thread Craig Dickson
begin Gary Turner quotation: German imports to the US are good to very good for the most part. Haven't found an outstanding brew (yet). Admittedly I'm biased towards dark beers, but I find Ayinger Celebrator and Spaten Optimator to be excellent. Paulaner Salvator is a little sweeter, but

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraph flows in mozilla?])

2002-05-23 Thread Craig Dickson
begin Paul 'Baloo' Johnson quotation: Have you had Moosehead? Don't think so. If you say it's worthwhile, I will try it. In case anyone is curious, my reviews of beers are available at my web site, http://crdic.ath.cx . They are also posted (along with those of That's a pretty good

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraph flows in mozilla?])

2002-05-23 Thread Kirk Strauser
At 2002-05-23T00:56:50Z, Wienand Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Where do people get the impression that Foster's is an Australian beer Probably from the cheesy commercials on American TV: Title: How to speak Australian Pictures of surfers. Underwater shot of a shark. Voiceover: Guppy

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-23 Thread Rich Puhek
Gary Turner wrote: Guiness absolutely sets the standard, especially if you can find it on tap and nitrogen charged. I've been favorably impressed by some other Irish beers (but not recently nor often enough to name names). ...But with Guiness you need to use a fork to drink your beer!

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-23 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2002-05-23 at 13:06, Rich Puhek wrote: Gary Turner wrote: [snip] German imports to the US are good to very good for the most part. Haven't found an outstanding brew (yet). German beer doesn't really count if it leaves the country. Gotta try one of the local brews,

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-23 Thread John Hasler
Rich Puhek writes: Sam Adams has some good stuff. Leinenkeugel (sp?) from Wisconsin is pretty good too. Leinenkugel's. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-23 Thread Glyn Millington
John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Rich Puhek writes: Sam Adams has some good stuff. Leinenkeugel (sp?) from Wisconsin is pretty good too. Leinenkugel's. Leinenkugel's, schmeinenkugels!! When woody emerges, what's the best champagne? Glyn -- Debian Home http://www.debian.org

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-23 Thread Craig Dickson
begin Ron Johnson quotation: Czech beers are tops. Staropraman 12 is the uber-beer. Too bad it's not available stateside. The pasteurization and travel across the pond in big, hot cargo ships would probably kill the taste... That may explain why I have not been particularly impressed

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraphflows in mozilla?])

2002-05-23 Thread Craig Dickson
Glyn Millington wrote: When woody emerges, what's the best champagne? By definition, one from Champagne, France -- anything else is not champagne, only sparkling wine (not that that can't be good; I'm just being picky about the nomenclature -- then again, I've yet to find a sparkling wine to

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraph flows in mozilla?])

2002-05-23 Thread John
Paul Johnson wrote: On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 10:23:23AM +0930, Tom Cook wrote: Oh, good Lord, no. No no no no no. Fosters is what we _export_. Try to find Coopers' Ales (pale or dark), Carlton United Breweries Crown Lager or Cold Filtered. Don't *ever* drink Australian beer from a can,

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraph flows in mozilla?])

2002-05-23 Thread Tom Cook
Ah, well, now you get down to the point of it all... On 0, Gary Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 23 May 2002 08:56:05 +0930, Tom Cook wrote: [snip] be impartial here, we Australians do a damn good beer. It's not OK. I won't judge by Foster's. Certainly not an exemplar. No. I

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraph flows in mozilla?])

2002-05-23 Thread Tom Cook
On 0, Kirk Strauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 2002-05-23T00:56:50Z, Wienand Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Where do people get the impression that Foster's is an Australian beer Probably from the cheesy commercials on American TV: Title: How to speak Australian Pictures of

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraph flows in mozilla?])

2002-05-22 Thread Daniel Toffetti
O Beer is beer. Budwiser makes more beer because they have bigger horses, that's all. Aaarrgghh !!! Hunt the heretic and put him in jail !! :-D No, no, no. American beer is American beer. Come to England and try a decent bitter or ale sometime ... If they are close

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraph flows in mozilla?])

2002-05-22 Thread Craig Dickson
Daniel Toffetti wrote: No, no, no. American beer is American beer. Come to England and try a decent bitter or ale sometime ... If they are close to the Irish Guinness, I'll follow you :) No no no no. This guys having you on. Ale and bitter are a practic joke we play on

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraph flows in mozilla?])

2002-05-22 Thread Tom Cook
On 0, Daniel Toffetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: O Beer is beer. Budwiser makes more beer because they have bigger horses, that's all. Aaarrgghh !!! Hunt the heretic and put him in jail !! :-D No, no, no. American beer is American beer. Come to England and try a

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraph flows in mozilla?])

2002-05-22 Thread Dale Hair
Oh boy, here comes a flame war... opinion source=what I've tasted The Irish, without a shadow of a doubt, make the best beer in the world. They are just damn good at it. After them, and I am trying to be impartial here, we Australians do a damn good beer. It's not exotic, it doesn't

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraph flows in mozilla?])

2002-05-22 Thread Craig Dickson
begin Tom Cook quotation: Oh boy, here comes a flame war... No kidding. opinion source=what I've tasted The Irish, without a shadow of a doubt, make the best beer in the world. They are just damn good at it. After them, and I am trying to be impartial here, we Australians do a damn

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraph flows in mozilla?])

2002-05-22 Thread John Hasler
Tom Cook writes: After them, and I am trying to be impartial here, we Australians do a damn good beer. I rank Foster's, the only Australian beer I've tried, just a bit above Budweiser. After that the whole world really goes to hell, with the French-speakers only not coming last because the

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraph flows in mozilla?])

2002-05-22 Thread Tom Cook
On 0, Dale Hair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh boy, here comes a flame war... opinion source=what I've tasted The Irish, without a shadow of a doubt, make the best beer in the world. They are just damn good at it. After them, and I am trying to be impartial here, we Australians do a

RE: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraph flows in mozilla?])

2002-05-22 Thread Wienand Ian
I rank Foster's, the only Australian beer I've tried, just a bit above Budweiser. Where do people get the impression that Foster's is an Australian beer I'd never even had the misfortune of drinking a Foster's till during the Olympics, when it seems they started to pay some pubs in the city

RE: OT: debian-beer

2002-05-22 Thread John Hasler
Wienand writes: Where do people get the impression that Foster's is an Australian beer?? From the same place that they get the impression that Budweiser is the only beer available in the US, most likely. BTW spamassassin has started marking this thread SPAM. A hint? -- John Hasler [EMAIL

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraph flows in mozilla?])

2002-05-22 Thread Petro
On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 07:00:34PM -0500, Dale Hair wrote: Can you give me an example of good Aussie beer that might be available in the US. The only one I can think of is Fosters, I wasn't overly impressed with it (as in I will drink one, but I won't buy one). I'm told by natives that

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraph flows in mozilla?])

2002-05-22 Thread mobtek mobtekl
On Wed, 22 May 2002 13:25:47 -0700 Craig Dickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] banged a keyboard: The Wig Pen in Canberra au brews their own ale, especially 'Creamy Ale' {:), which is like a white guinness, almost as thick as Guinness and has a hint of caramel depending on that months brew. /me wanders off

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraph flows in mozilla?])

2002-05-22 Thread Dale Hair
I'm told by natives that Fosters isn't Australian for Beer, it's Australian for Budwiser. After a hard day in the Texas heat the first budweiser actually tastes good, probably the same goes for Fosters in Australia. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of

OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraph flows in mozilla?])

2002-05-21 Thread Daniel Toffetti
[1] There's a difference between American beer and Oregonian beer, though, Widmer Brothers and McMenamins are still good; Henry Weinhards used to be good until they sold out to Miller, they're brewed out of St. Louis and the formula changed: it tastes like Miller Lite now.

Re: OT: debian-beer (was Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraph flows in mozilla?])

2002-05-21 Thread Harvey Kelly
On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 12:45:09PM -0300, Daniel Toffetti wrote: [1] There's a difference between American beer and Oregonian beer, though, Widmer Brothers and McMenamins are still good; Henry Weinhards used to be good until they sold out to Miller, they're brewed out of St.

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