Re: Polemica amb la UOC sobre el programari lliure

[orestes]

 

A 2016-05-13 18:18, Alex Muntada escrigué: 

> Hola debianites,
> m'agradaria que d'aquesta polèmica en surti quelcom de positiu.
> De retrets i queixes, n'hem sentit de tots colors, tant o més
> sensacionalistes que el titular de premsa que ha generat aquesta
> polèmica (molts especialment dirigits a la UOC o a les persones
> que han fet l'estudi en què es basa l'article de premsa).
> 
> Què us sembla si fem un recull de millores a tenir en compte i
> les enviem al Jordi Cabot? Ell mateix m'ha fet saber que és la
> forma en què prefereix rebre les valoracions sobre el treball
> que han fet. Podem fer-ho de forma col·lectiva o individual.
> Teniu la seva adreça de correu a la primera resposta que va
> enviar a la llista d'usuaris del gilug:
> 
> http://llista.gilug.org/pipermail/usuaris/2016-May/005384.html [1]
> 
> Crec que seria molt interessant fer una anàlisi objectiva dels
> fets i evitar de caure en els paranys de les interpretacions.
> Poso alguns exemples:
> 
> * No es pot atribuir a tota la UOC l'opinió que un periodista
> ha interpretat d'un estudi, encara que l'hagi publicada a la
> web de la UOC.

No hi puc estar més en desacord. 

La UOC, com qualsevol altra entitat, és responsable i se suposa que
subscriu
(mentre no s'indiqui el contrari) allò que publica al seu web. Si no hi
està d'acord
ho hauria de retirar, atès que surt sota les seves sigles.

És precisament per això que vaig fer el meu comentari. Si hagués sortit
a Menéame
(per posar un exemple) no m'hauria molestat en escriure el post. 

> * És un error generalitzar el resultat de l'estudi i aplicar-lo a tots els 
> projectes de
> programari lliure quan la mostra és tan limitada i centrada només en una 
> plataforma.
> * És perillós fer supòsits sobre les intencions dels autors de l'estudi, 
> tret que ells mateixos les hagin fet públiques. És molt més assenyat 
> centrar-se en els fets coneguts o en tot cas, preguntar-ho directament.

Ara faré supòsits sobre les teves intencions, perquè no sé si dius això
arran
dels meus comentaris sobre les intencions dels autors. És evident que
sense 
un coneixement real i de primera mà d'allò que ha dit algú no se'l pot
criticar 
seriosament. Jo ja avisava que no m'havia molestat ni tan sols a cercar
la identitat dels autors, i per tant els meus supòsits eren únicament 
això: supòsits. Més encara: eren una hipèrbole irònica, per si no
s'havia
 captat el matís. 

I no em vaig molestar a ser més rigorós perquè vaig trobar els arguments
de l'article tan fluixos que em va fer mandra anar més enllà.
Tu potser em diràs que l'article pot no reflectir les opinions dels
autors, però en 
aquest cas jo adduiria que si algú publica quelcom que posa en boca meva
allò que 
no he dit o no penso, la meva obligació és fer retirar aquell article.
Més encara si
ho afirma l'empresa per qui treballo. Si aquell article encara és allà
vol dir
que els autors, poc o molt, estan d'acord amb el seu contingut. 

Per ser més clar: si un periodista t'ha entrevistat i després comença un
article 
sobre la teva feina dient una bestiesa tal com: 

"Els principis del moviment de programari lliure són la defensa del
desenvolupament obert (el codi és públic) i col·laboratiu 
(la comunitat participa en l'evolució d'aquest programari), però en
l'estudi
que han fet fulanito i menganito es demostra que això no sempre es
compleix." 

... i tu no fas retirar o esmenar l'article, aleshores qualsevol
passavolant que ho
llegeixi i sàpiga una mica del tema no li quedarà molt bona opinió sobre
tu, la teva tasca
i el nivell general sobre programari lliure a la teva universitat. 

Orestes 
 

Links:
--
[1] http://llista.gilug.org/pipermail/usuaris/2016-May/005384.html

Reu: areu : areu : fail2ban - destemail et adresses multiples

[merkedanke]

dîsons que nous soyons vendredi ... jour du troll ...
et ajoutons que je souhaîte répondre "public" ...

rtfm !
(j'exige faildebanne sinon deb_gnangnan supercon et pas cool hop 
microsoft et toc ... )



Quelqu'un sait si on peut spécifier plusieurs adresses mails derrière 
le paramètre destemail de fail2ban et comment le faire ?


1 _ d'une part je lis les liens que j'adresse, à défaut de tous les 
suivre ...
2 _ d'autre part, la réponse est effectivement donnée _ OUI, AJOUTEZ UN 
ESPACE ENTRE LES ADRESSSES.
3 _ en oûtre , évitez s.v.p. de parlez d'orthographe ou de français car 
, malheureusement , tout est permis vu qu'il s'agît d'une langue vivante 
et que la liberté/license faît partie de l'originalité de l'auteur (donc 
ne peut être retranscrît [ce qui est écrît par l'auteur], copié,transmis 
etc _propriété intellectiuelle_sans autorisation) et surtout qu'il est 
admis par l'académie française et les ministres de la culture qu'il 
s'agît d'une autre forme d'art (e.g rap, graffiti etc.).
4 _ de plus, je vous rappelle que toutes les formes sont admises 
anciennes, nouvelles et à venir ...
5 _ quant (quant à soi !_ voilà ce qui est sous-entendu de ce que je 
pense vraiment de votre post_{entre nous, vous vous fichez de notre 
fiole , ce n'est pas le s.a.v obligatoire de debian industrie !})

6 _ donc, vous ne maîtrisez pas les subtilités de la langue française.
7 _ on admettra qu'une langue soit transmise de la façon qu'il convient 
pour qu'une communication soit établie, qu'un contact, un lien soit créé 
... abc de la culture sur internet concernant la langue anglaise entre 
autre (sujet et non langue donc singulier) ... bref, on s'en tape (le 
style "sms" ne marche pas)!
8 _ donc , ce que vous lisez n'est jamais, en aucun cas, d'aucune 
manière le reflet de la langue mais un argôt/baragouin/pidgin ... christ 
!



En attente d'une suite favorable ?
C'est une plaisanterie ?
# oui, si vous avez lu le post référent, sinon non (sous-entendu : allez 
donc prendre rendez-vous avec laure herbert 37 ans sur une banquette 
arrière ...)



Et attention à l'orthographe

# donc , avez-vous déjà écrît un lîvre ?
# (moi, si )
# (houille ! que dalle prends ti _ laure, porte-en-t-elle ?)
# une dernière chose pour en finir : l'impératif n'est pas toléré (on 
n'est pas votre chien _ j'aîme bien le mien - Attention _ mise en garde 
_ ) ni dans la vie réel ni sur le net ...


Marrant le belge comme dîsait coluche...

Re: Network manager (again)

[David Wright]

On Sat 14 May 2016 at 05:27:06 (+0200), Bhasker C V wrote:
>   I am finding it difficult to settle on a good network manager which
> can work for my case
> 
> 1. My home dir is luks/ext4 and mounted manually after logging in for
> the first time
> 2. My GUI is started after mounting my home dir and by manual startx only
> 
> I could never get my network manager to store passwords in the user dir.
> I do not like the passwords stored in
> /etc/NeworkManager/sytem-connections with plain passwords visible so
> anybody can open them if they have physical access to the machine/disk
> (usb live stick etc., )
> 
> If I pull up the properties of nm-applet and change the option to 
> "Store password only for this user", nm-applet does not connect since
> the keyring is no automatically unlocked due to startx
> 
> Can anyone help me with fixing this network-manager so the passwords are
> stored per-user in my luks home rather than /etc/...  OR tell me how to
> enable nm-applet to automatically trigger opening gnome-keyring ?

Like Hans, I use wicd (wicd-curses) because I only run a window manager.
These suggestions are completely untested but might be worth a shot.
You could create /home/wicd/ and copy /etc/wicd/* into it, then move
/etc/wicd to /etc/wicd-preserve and create a symlink /etc/wicd -> /home/wicd
If it all still works like that, shred and remove /etc/wicd-preserve.

The main issue AFAICT is making the wicd-daemon start only after /home
is mounted (and stop appropriately if you want to unmount it again).
I don't know systemd well enough to know if that's trivial or hard.
But the main thing is that it puts wicd/*.conf safely onto your
encrypted /home.

You might be able to coerce NM in the same way; I have no idea.

Cheers,
David.

Re: fail2ban - destemail et adresses multiples

[Ph. Gras]

Le 14 mai 2016 à 21:25, Jean-Marc  a écrit :

> Sat, 14 May 2016 15:14:13 +0200
> merkeda...@vmail.me écrivait :
> 
>> *
>> il manque un tag rtfm sur la liste ; avant toute demande, il est quant 
>> même souhaîtable de faire des recherches au préalable !
> 
> Aucun des liens ci-dessous ne donne une réponse à ma question.
> Aucun ne donne un exemple avec "destemail" et plusieurs adresses.
> 

Je pense que ce n'est pas documenté, parce que ce n'est pas prévu
pour ça, on imagine mal un admin envoyer les résultats à son voisin.

As-tu essayé des trucs comme ça ?

destemail = ad...@example.com, ad...@test.com
destemail = ad...@example.com ad...@test.com

Avec un peu de chance ça peut marcher, mais fallait le faire vendredi 13 ;-)

Bon courage,

Ph. Gras

Re: Polemica amb la UOC sobre el programari lliure

[Xavi Drudis Ferran]

El Sat, May 14, 2016 at 10:40:42PM +0200, Xavi Drudis Ferran deia:
> La URL que tu dius em sembla una línia de recerca proposada.  Si els
> li aproven llavors suposo que faran estudis més complets, entre altres
> coses, però així abans de veure un duro, deuen haver fet aquest estudi
> de 25 projectes, la nota de premsa, i a partir d'això, i de tota la
> recerca que tinguin d'abans ara demanen (entre molts, com sempre) uns
> 21 milions d'EUR per investigar possibles eines per permetre que els
> usuaris decideixin l'evolució de projectes de programari lliure,
> motivar desenvolupadors, etc.
>


No, no, perdó, m'he liat molt. No demanen 21 milions. 
Demanen 1.599.697,53€
21 milions són el pressupost dels projectes en els que ha participat
qui ho demana durant tota la carrera. No el que demana ara. 

Re: Debian Stretch package conflicts... libnettle4 libarchive13 libgnutls-deb0-28 libgnutls30

[Rick Thomas]

On May 14, 2016, at 3:45 AM, Dutch Ingraham  wrote:

> On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 06:43:11PM -0700, Rick Thomas wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> When I try to do aptitude full-upgrade on my Stretch Apple G4 PowerMac, I 
>> get conflicts.
>> 
>> These do not seem to be transient — they have been there for several days.
>> 
>> Anybody know what’s going on?
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> Rick
>> 
>>> The following NEW packages will be installed:
>>> libnettle4{a} 
>>> The following packages will be upgraded:
>>> gir1.2-packagekitglib-1.0 libarchive13 libasyncns0 libavcodec57 
>>> libavfilter6 libavformat57 libavresample3 libavutil55 
>>> libc-bin libc-l10n libc6 libkpathsea6 libpackagekit-glib2-18 libpam-systemd 
>>> libpostproc54 libptexenc1 librest-0.7-0 
>>> libswresample2 libswscale4 libsynctex1 libsystemd0 libtexlua52 
>>> libtexluajit2 libudev1 libx264-148 locales 
>>> multiarch-support mythes-en-us packagekit packagekit-tools systemd 
>>> systemd-sysv texlive-base texlive-binaries 
>>> texlive-fonts-recommended texlive-fonts-recommended-doc texlive-latex-base 
>>> texlive-latex-base-doc udev x11-apps 
>>> x11-xkb-utils 
>>> 41 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
>>> Need to get 442 kB/104 MB of archives. After unpacking 16.6 MB will be 
>>> freed.
>>> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>>> libgnutls-deb0-28 : Conflicts: libnettle4 but 2.7.1-5+deb8u1 is to be 
>>> installed
>>> libgnutls30 : Conflicts: libnettle4 but 2.7.1-5+deb8u1 is to be installed
>>> open: 45; closed: 112; defer: 39; conflict: 46
>>> 
>>> The following actions will resolve these dependencies:
>>> 
>>>   Keep the following packages at their current version:
>>> 1) libarchive13 [3.1.2-11+b1 (now, testing, unstable)]
>>> 2) libnettle4 [Not Installed] 
>>> 
>> 
> I used to use aptitude full-upgrade until I started having the same
> problem as you - wanting to remove huge lists of essential applications
> (like bash, etc.)  There is a long thread regarding this on the forums
> (which I can't find right now.)
> 
> I don't know why aptitude is doing this, but switching to apt-get
> dist-upgrade solved the problem and I haven't had any issues in ~8
> months.

Thanks for the pointer…  I tried apt-get dist-upgrade.  It gave essentially the 
same results — used different words but the intent was clearly the same.

Sven pointed out that this is a known problem with a version mismatch between 
Stretch and Jessie security.

Enjoy!
Rick

Re: Debian Stretch package conflicts... libnettle4 libarchive13 libgnutls-deb0-28 libgnutls30

[Rick Thomas]

On May 14, 2016, at 3:52 AM, Sven Joachim  wrote:

> On 2016-05-13 18:43 -0700, Rick Thomas wrote:
> 
> 
>> When I try to do aptitude full-upgrade on my Stretch Apple G4 PowerMac, I 
>> get conflicts.
>> 
>> These do not seem to be transient — they have been there for several days.
>> 
>> Anybody know what’s going on?
>> 
>>> The following NEW packages will be installed:
>>> libnettle4{a} 
>>> The following packages will be upgraded:
>>> gir1.2-packagekitglib-1.0 libarchive13 libasyncns0 libavcodec57
>>> libavfilter6 libavformat57 libavresample3 libavutil55
>>> libc-bin libc-l10n libc6 libkpathsea6 libpackagekit-glib2-18 libpam-systemd 
>>> libpostproc54 libptexenc1 librest-0.7-0 
>>> libswresample2 libswscale4 libsynctex1 libsystemd0 libtexlua52 
>>> libtexluajit2 libudev1 libx264-148 locales 
>>> multiarch-support mythes-en-us packagekit packagekit-tools systemd 
>>> systemd-sysv texlive-base texlive-binaries 
>>> texlive-fonts-recommended texlive-fonts-recommended-doc texlive-latex-base 
>>> texlive-latex-base-doc udev x11-apps 
>>> x11-xkb-utils 
>>> 41 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
>>> Need to get 442 kB/104 MB of archives. After unpacking 16.6 MB will be 
>>> freed.
>>> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>>> libgnutls-deb0-28 : Conflicts: libnettle4 but 2.7.1-5+deb8u1 is to be 
>>> installed
>>> libgnutls30 : Conflicts: libnettle4 but 2.7.1-5+deb8u1 is to be installed
>>> open: 45; closed: 112; defer: 39; conflict: 46
>>> 
>>> The following actions will resolve these dependencies:
>>> 
>>>   Keep the following packages at their current version:
>>> 1) libarchive13 [3.1.2-11+b1 (now, testing, unstable)]
>>> 2) libnettle4 [Not Installed] 
> 
> The problem is that libarchive13 has a higher version in stable-security
> than in testing, and that version is not installable in Stretch:
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=823984.
> 
> If you desperately need a fixed libarchive, there's a patch at the end
> of that bug report which you could apply.  Otherwise use
> "aptitude safe-upgrade" instead of "aptitude full-upgrade".
> 
> Cheers,
>   Sven

Thanks, Sven!

I’m glad to hear that it’s a known bug.  I’m perfectly happy to accept the 
“actions will resolve these dependencies” for the time being.  I guess that’s 
why they call it “testing”.

I assume that, if I’m patient, a fix will evolve?

Enjoy!
Rick

Re: Can Debian do multi-core "MY WAY"?

[tomas]

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On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 12:31:28PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> I date from era when when "memory banks" were switched via contents
> of a I/O port ;/
> Anyone remember era when 8085 was "state of the art" ;/
> 
> I envision
>   core A using memory range X
>   core B using memory range Z

What you are describing is called "non uniform memory access" aka
NUMA [1] these days and yes, the Linux kernel takes into account
that different parts of memory have different "distances" to each
processor (e.g. by assigning process "affinities" to each CPU.

To a lesser extent, CPU caches do this too.

This is'nt surprising, since CPU bandwidth has outrun memory
bandwith significantly across the last 20-30 years. If a CPU
had to wait for every byte to arrive from main memory, they'd
be slower by a huge amount [2].

So in some way the answer is; yes, your PC and your OS is probably
doing it already :-)

regards

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Uniform_Memory_Access
[2] http://gameprogrammingpatterns.com/data-locality.html

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Re: Polemica amb la UOC sobre el programari lliure

[Xavi Drudis Ferran]

El Sat, May 14, 2016 at 09:52:39PM +0200, Alex Muntada deia:
> Ernest Adrogué:
> 
> > Em sembla bé, però per criticar l'estudi primer hauríem de veure l'estudi.
> > De moment l'únic que tenim és una notícia que parla d'un estudi, però
> > l'estudi on és?  En aquesta llista de publicacions
> > http://som-research.uoc.edu/team-publications/ no el veig.  Sense saber
> > exactament la metodologia que han utilitzat és impossible dir com es podria
> > millorar.
> 
> Està al correu del gilug que jo esmentava:
> http://modeling-languages.com/very-large-community-software-development-erc/
>

Jo diria que això no és cap estudi. 

L'estudi, al menys l'únic que he trobat és 

http://som-research.uoc.edu/transparency-and-democracy-in-oss/

I també hi ha el full de càlcul aquell de Google Docs. 

La URL que tu dius em sembla una línia de recerca proposada.  Si els
li aproven llavors suposo que faran estudis més complets, entre altres
coses, però així abans de veure un duro, deuen haver fet aquest estudi
de 25 projectes, la nota de premsa, i a partir d'això, i de tota la
recerca que tinguin d'abans ara demanen (entre molts, com sempre) uns
21 milions d'EUR per investigar possibles eines per permetre que els
usuaris decideixin l'evolució de projectes de programari lliure,
motivar desenvolupadors, etc.

Tenen 5 objectius:

   1 Fer els programes lliures més transparents i democràtics.

   2 Fomentar la contribució a programes lliures

   3 Optimitzar col·laboracions internes. No sé. Sembla crear mètriques i
   visualitzacions de col·laboracions, i avaluar projectes.

   4 Incorporar anàl·lisi de dependències entre projectes, competència i
   optimitzar l'assignació de recursos (en plan simplex  )

   5 Muntar una eina telemàtica de desenvolupament de programari que
   incorpori tot això.

Potser la confusió es deu a que no és habitual tenir-ho penjat.  La
propia descripció parla de que no és habitual que la proposta de
recerca es publiqui abans de presentar-la a avaluació. Jo no hi entenc
un borrall, però des de la ignoràcia intueixo que:

- és veritat, no es fa mai. 

- és molt bó fer-ho. I demostra certes conviccions en obertura i transparència.

Tot i així no estic molt motivat per contribuir-hi res constructivament. 

Crec que parteix de valors i percepcions de la realitat molt diferents
a les meves, ho trobo molt teòric, i no n'entenc la metodologia,
intenció i utilitat.

Re: Polemica amb la UOC sobre el programari lliure

[Alex Muntada]

Narcis Garcia:

> Alex, et dóno la raó sobre fer quelcom més profitós i agradable, però
> s'ha de reconèixer que és d'esperar que un missatge negatiu generi
> respostes negatives, i quan la crítica intenta «expandir la coherència»,
> les respostes també exploren aquest camí.

Que sigui d'esperar no significa que sigui el més desitjable.
Per contrarestar quelcom negatiu cal quelcom positiu.

Salut,
Alex

Re: Polemica amb la UOC sobre el programari lliure

[Alex Muntada]

Ernest Adrogué:

> Em sembla bé, però per criticar l'estudi primer hauríem de veure l'estudi.
> De moment l'únic que tenim és una notícia que parla d'un estudi, però
> l'estudi on és?  En aquesta llista de publicacions
> http://som-research.uoc.edu/team-publications/ no el veig.  Sense saber
> exactament la metodologia que han utilitzat és impossible dir com es podria
> millorar.

Està al correu del gilug que jo esmentava:
http://modeling-languages.com/very-large-community-software-development-erc/

> Per altra banda, a la notícia publicada a la web de la UOC l'autor fa una
> analogia amb els sistemes de govern, quan diu que els usuaris "no tenen
> manera d'influir directament en el futur del programari com sí que ho poden
> fer en l'evolució del seu entorn social", sense necessitat de "saber de
> lleis".  Com han explicat diverses persones, aquesta analogia és un error.

Estic d'acord que l'analogia no és correcta. Està clar que els
usuaris tenen forma d'influir directament en el futur del codi
de diverses formes (traduccions, informes d'error, tutorials,
desenvolupament de millores, etc.).

Seria interessant conèixer amb més detall a què es refereixen
els autors perquè al meu entorn social tampoc puc influir tant
com jo voldria moltes vegades. Potser amb algun exemple seria
més fàcil de veure què volen dir.

Salut,
Alex

Re: Can Debian do multi-core "MY WAY"?

[John Hasler]

Gene Heskett writes:
> How about building a tv production tool out of an RCA 1802?  There was
> a time when that puppy was state of the art.

Yes.  I wrote applications for it in hex, helped design a single board
computer using it, and helped write an 8 bit version of FORTH for it (it
was eminently suited for the task).
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: -Re: configuring softwarecollections.org repository on debian jessie

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 01:13:02AM +0200, Rodary Jacques wrote:
> Le jeudi 12 mai 2016, 21:55:24 Liam O'Toole a écrit :
> > On 2016-05-12, soko.tica  wrote:
> > > --001a1146456672df2d0532a72b01
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> > > 
> > > Hello list,
> > > 
> > > I need to install a package (php54) on a VM running debian jessie (Here is
> > > why https://www.virtualmin.com/documentation/web/multiplephp ). I have
> > > managed to install rhscl-php54-epel-6-x86_64-1-2.noarch.rpm through alien
> > > package, but don't know how to isntall
> > > php54 php54-php-mysqlnd. Repo rhscl isn't in /etc/apt/sources.list but in
> > > /etc/yum.repos.d/ and I wasn't able to find php54 php54-php-mysqlnd. Any
> > > help will be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
> > 
> > You are trying to install Red Hat packages on a Debian OS. What's more,
> > you are tring to install packages from Red Hat Software Collections,
> > which require manipulation of their environment to run properly. You'd
> > be much better off doing that on a CentOS machine.
> > 
> > Otherwise, prepare to enter a world of pain. :)
>   If alien (which is a Debian software, isn't it) says you can, why not? 
> You just need to 
> be careful, trying a fake install first (dpkg --noinstall --no-act). I 
> switched to Debian for that kind 
> of safety, being tired to note all my changes and go back painfully 
> afterwards. I remember 
> (1998-99) when I installed gnome-0.nn ten times! But I can't live without 
> BSD-games ( try "cal 
> 09 1752" (even MacOsX has it) and "pom 2712" it's unforgettable) nor without 
> xanim to read 
> old Quicktime CDs from an USB stick! I don't think Debian needs worship!
>   Jacques

Alien is a last resort: if you have any other way to do this, do it.

RH SCL is also a repository to add things to Red Hat Enterprise Linux that are 
more up to date because RHEL is intended to be unconditionally 
stable and unchanging. Installing SCL packages on RHEL is not guaranteed to be 
tested or to work well: this is intended for developers who
absolutely, positively have to get something that is more up to date to build 
other software.

Apt and yum are orthogonal - so /etc/yum/repos.d created by yum utilities 
inside Debian is not guaranteed to work. Likewise, anything installed
through alien may conflict with corresponding Debian versions since alien 
doesn't necessarily inform apt and vice versa.

CentOS 6 is also now stable with no further development: so php 5.4 on CentOS 6 
is not going forward because there will be no change in CentOS 6
as it goes into extended support.

PHP 5.6 is current in Debian Jessie. Having checked Virtualmin's install script 
- just use their installer for goodness sake: it sorts out
the dependencies you need. If you really, really must reverse engineer this 
sort of stuff, do it in a CentOS VM on your Debian machine.

Actually take the time and read Virtualmin's install.sh - it's a shell script: 
learn from it?

All the best,

AndyC

Re: Re : fail2ban - destemail et adresses multiples

[Jean-Marc]

Sat, 14 May 2016 15:14:13 +0200
merkeda...@vmail.me écrivait :

> *
> il manque un tag rtfm sur la liste ; avant toute demande, il est quant 
> même souhaîtable de faire des recherches au préalable !

Aucun des liens ci-dessous ne donne une réponse à ma question.
Aucun ne donne un exemple avec "destemail" et plusieurs adresses.

Et attention à l'orthographe (pas d'accent circonflexe à "souhaitable" et 
"quand" dans ce genre d'usage s'écrit avec un "d", pas un "t").

> 
> En attente d'une suite favorable ?

C'est une plaisanterie ?

> 
> **
> 
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fail2ban
> 
> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1698581
>   fail2ban doesn't send emails
> 
> https://www.maketecheasier.com/protect-ssh-server-with-fail2ban-ubuntu/
> 
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fail2ban_with_FirewallD
> 
> www.pontikis.net/blog/fail2ban-install-config-debian-wheezy
> Install and Config Fail2Ban in Debian 7 Wheezy - pontikis.net
> 
> www.linux-magazine.com › Intrusion Detec...
> Intrusion Detection with fail2ban » Linux Magazine
> 
> > spécifier plusieurs adresses mails derrière
> le paramètre destemail de fail2ban ?
> 
> on fait comme Aurore , de l'espace ...
> 


Jean-Marc 


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câmera digital não reconhecida

[Márcio de Araújo Benedito]

Colegas, boa tarde!
Tenho uma câmera digital Canon SX-20 que sempre funcionou bem no meu desktop 
Debian. De uns tempos pra cá ela parou de funcionar, não sendo nem reconhecida 
e listada no comando lsusb.

Abaixo segue a saida do /var/log/syslog

May 14 16:02:43 desktop kernel: [  249.256032] usb 1-1: new full-speed USB 
device number 7 using uhci_hcd
May 14 16:02:44 desktop kernel: [  249.664027] usb 1-1: device not accepting 
address 7, error -71
May 14 16:02:44 desktop kernel: [  249.980024] usb 1-1: new full-speed USB 
device number 8 using uhci_hcd
May 14 16:02:44 desktop kernel: [  250.392019] usb 1-1: device not accepting 
address 8, error -71
May 14 16:02:45 desktop kernel: [  250.504071] usb 1-1: new full-speed USB 
device number 9 using uhci_hcd
May 14 16:02:45 desktop kernel: [  250.628036] usb 1-1: device descriptor 
read/64, error -71
May 14 16:02:45 desktop kernel: [  250.852033] usb 1-1: device descriptor 
read/64, error -71
May 14 16:02:45 desktop kernel: [  251.068033] usb 1-1: new full-speed USB 
device number 10 using uhci_hcd
May 14 16:02:45 desktop kernel: [  251.188027] usb 1-1: device descriptor 
read/64, error -71
May 14 16:02:45 desktop kernel: [  251.412019] usb 1-1: device descriptor 
read/64, error -71
May 14 16:02:46 desktop kernel: [  251.516049] usb usb1-port1: unable to 
enumerate USB device
 Não achei nada que ajudasse no Google...
Uso debian testing> Linux desktop 4.5.0-1-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 4.5.1-1 
(2016-04-14) i686 GNU/Linux

--  
"Esta mensagem não contém nenhuma informação confidencial,  pois se é para ser  
confidencial não poderia ser transitada  por  e-mail em uma lista pública. 
Portanto você pode  fazer  qualquer coisa com esta mensagem,  incluindo esta 
sátira à  notas de copyrights  ridículas, que eu não estou nem aí!!!"

Re: Can Debian do multi-core "MY WAY"?

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 14 May 2016 13:42:51 John Hasler wrote:

> Richard Owlett writes:
> > Anyone remember era when 8085 was "state of the art" ;/
>
> I remember when the 8080 was "state of the art".
>
> > I envision
> >  core A using memory range X
> >  core B using memory range Z
> >
> > My individual tasks could be handled by a 2MHz Z80
> >
> > Can Debian do it on GHz machine?
>
> That's low-level kernel hacking.

And you can download a pre-hacked version based on wheezy that can run 
machinery with sub-micron accuracy, far better than the average machine 
can do, as its subject to thermals etc that limit it to perhaps a 
thousandth of an inch in everyday use. From linuxcnc.org today and 
everyday.  Free every day.  I have 4 copies of it running here.  On the 
right board and cpu, this software can send a step pulse to a stepper 
motor driver every 25 microseconds.  Thats 40 kilohertz, not the stepper  
motors top speed, so if you really want to move fast, a 90 dollar card 
can take you to the limits of the opto-isolaters in those drivers at 
somewhere above 200 kilohertz.  Using that card allows one to be a whole 
lot less picky about the board and cpu.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: Can Debian do multi-core "MY WAY"?

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 14 May 2016 13:31:28 Richard Owlett wrote:

> I date from era when when "memory banks" were switched via
> contents of a I/O port ;/
> Anyone remember era when 8085 was "state of the art" ;/

How about building a tv production tool out of an RCA 1802?  There was a 
time when that puppy was state of the art.

> I envision
>core A using memory range X
>core B using memory range Z
>
> My individual tasks could be handled by a 2MHz Z80
>
> Can Debian do it on GHz machine?


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: Can Debian do multi-core "MY WAY"?

[Joe]

On Sat, 14 May 2016 12:31:28 -0500
Richard Owlett  wrote:

> I date from era when when "memory banks" were switched via 
> contents of a I/O port ;/
> Anyone remember era when 8085 was "state of the art" ;/
> 
> I envision
>core A using memory range X
>core B using memory range Z
> 
> My individual tasks could be handled by a 2MHz Z80
> 
> Can Debian do it on GHz machine?
> 
> 
> 

It isn't clear why you would need user control at this level, why the
processor and memory allocation systems of the OS will not meet your
needs.

The last time I saw this done was in driving a Solidisk sideways RAM
board on the BBC Micro, and that was done only because the processor
had a very limited addressing capability. It was done very badly...

-- 
Joe

Re: Can Debian do multi-core "MY WAY"?

[Martin Read]

On 14/05/16 18:31, Richard Owlett wrote:

I envision
   core A using memory range X
   core B using memory range Z

My individual tasks could be handled by a 2MHz Z80

Can Debian do it on GHz machine?


Maybe.

Debian (and the Linux kernel) has a bewildering array of tools and 
options that *might* be applicable to the tasks you're carrying out. 
You'd need to tell us at least a little bit more about what you want to 
do. Obvious questions to ask would include:


* What kind of processor are you intending to run this on?

* Are you addressing peripheral devices or just system RAM?

* Is the requirement for the different tasks to be running on different 
physical cores absolute?

Re: Can Debian do multi-core "MY WAY"?

[John Hasler]

Richard Owlett writes:
> Anyone remember era when 8085 was "state of the art" ;/

I remember when the 8080 was "state of the art".

> I envision
>  core A using memory range X
>  core B using memory range Z

> My individual tasks could be handled by a 2MHz Z80

> Can Debian do it on GHz machine?

That's low-level kernel hacking.

-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Can Debian do multi-core "MY WAY"?

[Richard Owlett]

I date from era when when "memory banks" were switched via 
contents of a I/O port ;/

Anyone remember era when 8085 was "state of the art" ;/

I envision
  core A using memory range X
  core B using memory range Z

My individual tasks could be handled by a 2MHz Z80

Can Debian do it on GHz machine?

Re: Luchando contra modems 3G

[Camaleón]

El Sat, 14 May 2016 17:20:38 +0200, Angel Vicente escribió:

> Estoy peleandome con dos modems USB 3G, y uno de ellos me está
> plantando cara:

(...)

> El ZTE marca y hace un CONNECT 36 y después unas lineas ppp : [7f],
> descuelga.
> 
> Parece evidente que algún comando AT de los que valen para el Novatel,
> con el otro no va, o falta alguno.
> 
> He probado con wvdial si modemmanager para poder ver las respuestas de
> ambos. Modemmanager-gui me muestra incluso los SMS recibidos de la
> compañia, es decir que aparentemente no hay problema con el acceso a la
> SIM.
> 
> La cosa es que estoy buscando por internet y no consigo avanzar, ese es
> el motivo de mi correo.

Tienes los parámetros detallados en la wiki de Archlinux:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ZTE_MF626_/_MF636
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ZTE_MF626_/_MF636_%28Espa%C3%B1ol%29

Y para operadores (ejem) concretos:

http://lgallardo.com/2009/11/29/modem-zte-mf626-movistar-en-linux/
http://www.guiskas.com/2009/08/08/zte-mf626-y-ubuntu-9-04/

Si te sigue dando error manda a la lista el log de wvdial en modo de 
depuración para que registre más detalles.

Saludos,

-- 
Camaleón

Luchando contra modems 3G

[Angel Vicente]

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Hola a todos.

Estoy peleandome con dos modems USB 3G, y uno de ellos me está
plantando cara:

tengo un Novatel Ovation MC990D y un ZTE MF626, tengo instalado
modemmanager, y tengo una sola SIM de una compañia que no nombraré (si
hacen falta más datos, lo diré). Los dos modems fueron de una compañia
diferente y ambos está liberados. Se detectan los dos y modemmanager me
pide el PIN con los dos. Estoy probando con testing y con stable.

El Novatel conecta correctamente con un mensaje CONNECT HSDPA, obtengo
ppp y funciona.

El ZTE marca y hace un CONNECT 36 y después unas lineas ppp : [7f],
descuelga.

Parece evidente que algún comando AT de los que valen para el Novatel,
con el otro no va, o falta alguno.

He probado con wvdial si modemmanager para poder ver las respuestas de
ambos. Modemmanager-gui me muestra incluso los SMS recibidos de la
compañia, es decir que aparentemente no hay problema con el acceso a la
SIM.

La cosa es que estoy buscando por internet y no consigo avanzar, ese es
el motivo de mi correo.

Saludos y gracias de antemano


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Re: Fwd: [OT] Gestión de Logs

[Camaleón]

El Fri, 13 May 2016 15:33:54 -0400, Edward Villarroel (EDD) escribió:

> no tengo nada 

Todos las distribuciones linuxeras instalan un paquete de gestión de logs, 
salvo que sea una distribución muy concreta y para fines específicos. Es 
decir, que lo normal es que tengas alguno instalado, p. ej., en Wheezy 
tengo este:

sm01@stt008:~$ dpkg -l | grep -i syslog
ii  rsyslog   5.8.11-3+deb7u2   
 amd64reliable system and kernel logging daemon

> si es por syslog se crea un servidor de syslog... pero eso
> en cuanto a la recolección de los logs  y ahora las alertas tempranas?

Tanto syslog-ng como rsyslog disponen de módulos u opciones que te 
permiten que ante un determinado tipo de evento se genere una alerta por 
e-mail. Desgraciadamente, y como suele suceder en estos casos, tienes que 
leer la documentación :-)

Saludos,

-- 
Camaleón

festival -- text to speech software

[Alan McConnell]

Assembled Wisdom!

'festival' is speech-synthesized software that has been around for
over 15 years, and I have installed it from my Debian jessie DVDs.
It worked splendidly for a while, but I have tried to install
new 'voices' and I have run into the following error;  I get
   {FND} Feature Token_Method not defined
when I try the simplest festival command.  I expect that there are
path difficulties involved . . .

Any help/suggestion provided will be greatly appreciated!

Alan

-- 
Alan McConnell :  http://globaltap.com/~alan/
"Laughter is the closest distance between two people."(V. Borge)
Religions revolve madly around sexual questions.

Re : fail2ban - destemail et adresses multiples

[merkedanke]

*
il manque un tag rtfm sur la liste ; avant toute demande, il est quant 
même souhaîtable de faire des recherches au préalable !


En attente d'une suite favorable ?

**

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fail2ban

https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1698581
 fail2ban doesn't send emails

https://www.maketecheasier.com/protect-ssh-server-with-fail2ban-ubuntu/

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fail2ban_with_FirewallD

www.pontikis.net/blog/fail2ban-install-config-debian-wheezy
Install and Config Fail2Ban in Debian 7 Wheezy - pontikis.net

www.linux-magazine.com › Intrusion Detec...
Intrusion Detection with fail2ban » Linux Magazine


spécifier plusieurs adresses mails derrière

le paramètre destemail de fail2ban ?

on fait comme Aurore , de l'espace ...

Re: Creating a home network

[Richard Owlett]

On 5/12/2016 6:23 PM, メット wrote:

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On 2016年5月13日 3:03:06 JST, Richard Owlett  wrote:

On 5/12/2016 9:20 AM, mett wrote:

[snip]

did u see debian wiki about creating a router with a pc?


No. I did a "title" search for "router" got 3 hits (all
relevant). A "full text" search yields > 200 hits. A DuckDuckGo
search with more restrictive keywords yielded a couple dozen
links. I've lots of reading to do ;) What article were you
referring to?

I think I'll need to reread the rest of your post a few times also.
Thanks.


Ohayo!

Below are the 2 links which start everything for me.

Like i said previously, the 1st step would be to check if u can  reach the net 
from a debian box with the usb from t-mobile.

ifconfig should show 2 interfaces once u have connect the t-mobile usb
(If u had only one previously, oc).
Try ‘ifconfig' as root from a terminal,
and check the current state.

http://www.aboutdebian.com/network.htm

https://debian-administration.org/article/23/Setting_up_a_simple_Debian_gateway

HTH


Those do look good. When you had said "debian wiki", I went to 
http://wiki.debian.org .

Re: Multiple live iso's on a single bootable flash drive?

[Richard Owlett]

On 5/3/2016 8:37 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:

On Tuesday 03 May 2016 11:11:45 Richard Owlett wrote:

I hope the result will be a document aimed at the beginner but
not the picture book style that seems prevalent at that level.
Much Linux documentation is written by experts for experts.


Or by "experts" for (those they consider) Noddies.  Power to your elbow!!  I
hope you will post or publish the result.

Lisi




It may have been already done. Replying to my "Creating a home 
network" thread mett mentioned a page of 
http://www.aboutdebian.com/index.htm . From a brief browse it 
looks good.

Re: Guidelines for allocating system resources for VMs?

[Albin Otterhäll]

Martin Read:
> On 14/05/16 10:05, Albin Otterhäll wrote:
>> I want to use virtual machines for my everyday work on my laptop (with a
>> Intel Core i5-3320M @ 2.60 GHz * 4 and 16GB RAM), using KVM on Debian as
>> my hypervisor.
>>
>> But I can't find any general guidelines for how much system resources to
>> "give" to a VM. How many logical cores? How much RAM? Note that the
>> primary OS only should act as a hypervisor.
> 
> How much RAM and how many cores do you think the work in question needs?
> 
> Answer that, and you have the basis for your answer.
> 
> 
The thing is that I don't know (don't know how to access the necessary
information either), and assigning as much as possible would probably be
the best solution.

I plan in the future buy a GPU and use PCI passthrough to use a VM for
gaming, and then I would need to assign as much resources as possible.

-- 
Regards,
Albin

Re: Debian Stretch package conflicts... libnettle4 libarchive13 libgnutls-deb0-28 libgnutls30

[Sven Joachim]

On 2016-05-13 18:43 -0700, Rick Thomas wrote:


> When I try to do aptitude full-upgrade on my Stretch Apple G4 PowerMac, I get 
> conflicts.
>
> These do not seem to be transient — they have been there for several days.
>
> Anybody know what’s going on?
>
>> The following NEW packages will be installed:
>> libnettle4{a} 
>> The following packages will be upgraded:
>> gir1.2-packagekitglib-1.0 libarchive13 libasyncns0 libavcodec57
>> libavfilter6 libavformat57 libavresample3 libavutil55
>> libc-bin libc-l10n libc6 libkpathsea6 libpackagekit-glib2-18 libpam-systemd 
>> libpostproc54 libptexenc1 librest-0.7-0 
>> libswresample2 libswscale4 libsynctex1 libsystemd0 libtexlua52 libtexluajit2 
>> libudev1 libx264-148 locales 
>> multiarch-support mythes-en-us packagekit packagekit-tools systemd 
>> systemd-sysv texlive-base texlive-binaries 
>> texlive-fonts-recommended texlive-fonts-recommended-doc texlive-latex-base 
>> texlive-latex-base-doc udev x11-apps 
>> x11-xkb-utils 
>> 41 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
>> Need to get 442 kB/104 MB of archives. After unpacking 16.6 MB will be freed.
>> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>> libgnutls-deb0-28 : Conflicts: libnettle4 but 2.7.1-5+deb8u1 is to be 
>> installed
>> libgnutls30 : Conflicts: libnettle4 but 2.7.1-5+deb8u1 is to be installed
>> open: 45; closed: 112; defer: 39; conflict: 46
>> 
>> The following actions will resolve these dependencies:
>> 
>>Keep the following packages at their current version:
>> 1) libarchive13 [3.1.2-11+b1 (now, testing, unstable)]
>> 2) libnettle4 [Not Installed] 

The problem is that libarchive13 has a higher version in stable-security
than in testing, and that version is not installable in Stretch:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=823984.

If you desperately need a fixed libarchive, there's a patch at the end
of that bug report which you could apply.  Otherwise use
"aptitude safe-upgrade" instead of "aptitude full-upgrade".

Cheers,
   Sven

Re: Debian Stretch package conflicts... libnettle4 libarchive13 libgnutls-deb0-28 libgnutls30

[Dutch Ingraham]

On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 06:43:11PM -0700, Rick Thomas wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> When I try to do aptitude full-upgrade on my Stretch Apple G4 PowerMac, I get 
> conflicts.
> 
> These do not seem to be transient — they have been there for several days.
> 
> Anybody know what’s going on?
> 
> Thanks!
> Rick
> 
> > The following NEW packages will be installed:
> > libnettle4{a} 
> > The following packages will be upgraded:
> > gir1.2-packagekitglib-1.0 libarchive13 libasyncns0 libavcodec57 
> > libavfilter6 libavformat57 libavresample3 libavutil55 
> > libc-bin libc-l10n libc6 libkpathsea6 libpackagekit-glib2-18 libpam-systemd 
> > libpostproc54 libptexenc1 librest-0.7-0 
> > libswresample2 libswscale4 libsynctex1 libsystemd0 libtexlua52 
> > libtexluajit2 libudev1 libx264-148 locales 
> > multiarch-support mythes-en-us packagekit packagekit-tools systemd 
> > systemd-sysv texlive-base texlive-binaries 
> > texlive-fonts-recommended texlive-fonts-recommended-doc texlive-latex-base 
> > texlive-latex-base-doc udev x11-apps 
> > x11-xkb-utils 
> > 41 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
> > Need to get 442 kB/104 MB of archives. After unpacking 16.6 MB will be 
> > freed.
> > The following packages have unmet dependencies:
> > libgnutls-deb0-28 : Conflicts: libnettle4 but 2.7.1-5+deb8u1 is to be 
> > installed
> > libgnutls30 : Conflicts: libnettle4 but 2.7.1-5+deb8u1 is to be installed
> > open: 45; closed: 112; defer: 39; conflict: 46
> > 
> > The following actions will resolve these dependencies:
> > 
> >Keep the following packages at their current version:
> > 1) libarchive13 [3.1.2-11+b1 (now, testing, unstable)]
> > 2) libnettle4 [Not Installed] 
> > 
> 
I used to use aptitudee full-upgrade until I started having the same
problem as you - wanting to remove huge lists of essential applications
(like bash, etc.)  There is a long thread regarding this on the forums
(which I can't find right now.)

I don't know why aptitude is doing this, but switching to apt-get
dist-upgrade solved the problem and I haven't had any issues in ~8
months.

Re: Guidelines for allocating system resources for VMs?

[Martin Read]

On 14/05/16 10:05, Albin Otterhäll wrote:

I want to use virtual machines for my everyday work on my laptop (with a
Intel Core i5-3320M @ 2.60 GHz * 4 and 16GB RAM), using KVM on Debian as
my hypervisor.

But I can't find any general guidelines for how much system resources to
"give" to a VM. How many logical cores? How much RAM? Note that the
primary OS only should act as a hypervisor.


How much RAM and how many cores do you think the work in question needs?

Answer that, and you have the basis for your answer.

Re: Polemica amb la UOC sobre el programari lliure

[Narcis Garcia]

Els drets de l'autora o autor.
Aquest és el principi de confusió general dins la «cultura» del
Copyright, de la qual parteixen moltes crítiques al Copyleft.

Si es fan analogies als sistemes de govern, parlant dels drets dels
súbdits a determinar el govern o les decisions governamentals, això té a
veure amb la lògica de proveïdor-client o mercat-consumidor.

Bona part del programari lliure trenca amb això perquè la persona autora
es veu amb el dret de fer un programa que serveix al seu propi profit i,
una vegada assolit aquest profit pràctic, l'esforç ja està amortitzat i
allibera el programari sota un Copyleft.
D'aquesta manera, al següent usuari no se li atorguen drets SOBRE
l'autor per a reclamar-li una garantia, una modificació, etc. El següent
usuari rep drets per ser autosuficient amb el programari lliure, drets
que no rep amb el programari privatiu.

El programari privatiu pràcticament obliga a una relació entre governant
(l'autor o apropiador de la seva feina, proveïdor) i súbdit (client o
usuari-consumidor).
Sovint quan un súbdit del P.Privatiu interactua amb «productes i
serveis» del PL, o bé exigeix rols de proveïdor en un mercat, o bé pensa
que «el bon rollo del Copyleft» va lligat a tota una sèrie de valors que
aprenem culturalment com a positius: la democràcia representativa, les
ONG, la banca ètica, etc.

Aleshores, a qui s'atreveixi a crear un programa lliure, se li suposarà
que funciona en democràcia, envia diners als nens pobres i es comunica
només per XMPP.

I tornant als drets, dins la «cultura» del Copyright tant se solen
privar drets a l'usuari com a l'autor, tot i que la bandera pública
sempre sigui que el Copyright serveix per a què l'usuari no robi a l'autor.


El 14/05/16 a les 11:35, Ernest Adrogué ha escrit:
> Hola,
> 
> 2016-05-13, 18:18 (+0200); Alex Muntada escriu:
>> Què us sembla si fem un recull de millores a tenir en compte i
>> les enviem al Jordi Cabot?
> 
> Em sembla bé, però per criticar l'estudi primer hauríem de veure l'estudi.
> De moment l'únic que tenim és una notícia que parla d'un estudi, però
> l'estudi on és?  En aquesta llista de publicacions
> http://som-research.uoc.edu/team-publications/ no el veig.  Sense saber
> exactament la metodologia que han utilitzat és impossible dir com es podria
> millorar.
> 
> Per altra banda, a la notícia publicada a la web de la UOC l'autor fa una
> analogia amb els sistemes de govern, quan diu que els usuaris "no tenen
> manera d'influir directament en el futur del programari com sí que ho poden
> fer en l'evolució del seu entorn social", sense necessitat de "saber de
> lleis".  Com han explicat diverses persones, aquesta analogia és un error.
> Però en qualsevol cas repeteixo que sense llegir l'estudi l'únic que podem
> fer són elucubracions.
> 
> Salut.
> 

Re: Anytime I touch a print function, get error but it works

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 14 May 2016 02:15:30 cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:

> On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 04:23:16PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Fixed it right up, thank you very much, Curt.  Since it had to
> > create that path in /etc from scratch, is there a way to ask dpkg
> > what provides this file so that I can make the mental connection to
> > something I have installed recently?
>
> Yes, I use:
>
> dpkg -S /path/to/file/filename

Which returns gnome-keyring if I search for gnome-keyring-module
and nothing if I search for gnome-keyring.module
so this name miss-match has existed since 2012? Boggles my mind.

Shirley I am not the only possessor of a smart card socket on the 
planet...  At least I guess thats what one of the 4 sockets on the front 
of a Brother MFC-J6920DW printer/scanner/fax combo is. Not that I'd ever 
plug a phone cable into it since a fax machine also collects spam.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: Polemica amb la UOC sobre el programari lliure

[Narcis Garcia]

Alguna vegada hem fet al GiLUG comunicats públics, intentant-ho fer de
forma grupal amb el Wiki. Aquíva un exemple:

http://wiki.gilug.org/index.php/Alliberament_de_Debian_8

Alex, et dóno la raó sobre fer quelcom més profitós i agradable, però
s'ha de reconèixer que és d'esperar que un missatge negatiu generi
respostes negatives, i quan la crítica intenta «expandir la coherència»,
les respostes també exploren aquest camí.


El 13/05/16 a les 18:18, Alex Muntada ha escrit:
> Hola debianites,
> m'agradaria que d'aquesta polèmica en surti quelcom de positiu.
> De retrets i queixes, n'hem sentit de tots colors, tant o més
> sensacionalistes que el titular de premsa que ha generat aquesta
> polèmica (molts especialment dirigits a la UOC o a les persones
> que han fet l'estudi en què es basa l'article de premsa).
> 
> Què us sembla si fem un recull de millores a tenir en compte i
> les enviem al Jordi Cabot? Ell mateix m'ha fet saber que és la
> forma en què prefereix rebre les valoracions sobre el treball
> que han fet. Podem fer-ho de forma col·lectiva o individual.
> Teniu la seva adreça de correu a la primera resposta que va
> enviar a la llista d'usuaris del gilug:
> 
> http://llista.gilug.org/pipermail/usuaris/2016-May/005384.html
> 
> Crec que seria molt interessant fer una anàlisi objectiva dels
> fets i evitar de caure en els paranys de les interpretacions.
> Poso alguns exemples:
> 
>  * No es pot atribuir a tota la UOC l'opinió que un periodista
>ha interpretat d'un estudi, encara que l'hagi publicada a la
>web de la UOC.
> 
>  * És un error generalitzar el resultat de l'estudi i aplicar-lo
>a tots els projectes de programari lliure quan la mostra és
>tan limitada i centrada només en una plataforma.
> 
>  * És perillós fer supòsits sobre les intencions dels autors
>de l'estudi, tret que ells mateixos les hagin fet públiques.
>És molt més assenyat centrar-se en els fets coneguts o en
>tot cas, preguntar-ho directament.
> 
>  * Resulta molt curiós veure com es barregen en el debat alguns
>temes que no tenen res a veure amb l'estudi. Així doncs,
>el fet que GitHub sigui una eina de programari lliure no
>aporta cap valor al debat. Senzillament estableix un marc
>per la mostra i prou. El mateix passa amb el programari
>privatiu, que no és objecte de l'estudi. Tampoc aporta cap
>valor que hi hagi enllaços a xarxes socials a la pàgina de
>l'article.  Crec que seria molt més interessant centrar-se
>en l'estudi i les conclusions.
> 
> Força persones d'aquesta llista i de la d'usuaris del gilug han
> demostrat que tenen empenta per elaborar discursos potents, però
> sincerament m'agradaria que tota aquesta energia es focalitzés
> cap a un objectiu més positiu, per ajudar a millorar l'estudi
> i/o les conclusions que se'n deriven.
> 
> Ah, permeteu-me també que us recordi que el codi de conducta de
> Debian demana que siguem respectuosos amb tothom. Ho dic perquè
> alguns comentaris m'han semblat fora de lloc.
> 
> Salut i moltes gràcies,
> Alex
> 

Re: Polemica amb la UOC sobre el programari lliure

[Ernest Adrogué]

Hola,

2016-05-13, 18:18 (+0200); Alex Muntada escriu:
> Què us sembla si fem un recull de millores a tenir en compte i
> les enviem al Jordi Cabot?

Em sembla bé, però per criticar l'estudi primer hauríem de veure l'estudi.
De moment l'únic que tenim és una notícia que parla d'un estudi, però
l'estudi on és?  En aquesta llista de publicacions
http://som-research.uoc.edu/team-publications/ no el veig.  Sense saber
exactament la metodologia que han utilitzat és impossible dir com es podria
millorar.

Per altra banda, a la notícia publicada a la web de la UOC l'autor fa una
analogia amb els sistemes de govern, quan diu que els usuaris "no tenen
manera d'influir directament en el futur del programari com sí que ho poden
fer en l'evolució del seu entorn social", sense necessitat de "saber de
lleis".  Com han explicat diverses persones, aquesta analogia és un error.
Però en qualsevol cas repeteixo que sense llegir l'estudi l'únic que podem
fer són elucubracions.

Salut.

Guidelines for allocating system resources for VMs?

[Albin Otterhäll]

I want to use virtual machines for my everyday work on my laptop (with a
Intel Core i5-3320M @ 2.60 GHz * 4 and 16GB RAM), using KVM on Debian as
my hypervisor.

But I can't find any general guidelines for how much system resources to
"give" to a VM. How many logical cores? How much RAM? Note that the
primary OS only should act as a hypervisor.

I will primarily use a Debian VM (i.e. Debian VM on Debian), but I also
want to be able to run a Windows 10 VM (Windows VM on Debian). It's not
necessary for both VMs to run simultaneously.
-- 
Regards,
Albin

Debian Stretch package conflicts... libnettle4 libarchive13 libgnutls-deb0-28 libgnutls30

[Rick Thomas]

Hi,

When I try to do aptitude full-upgrade on my Stretch Apple G4 PowerMac, I get 
conflicts.

These do not seem to be transient — they have been there for several days.

Anybody know what’s going on?

Thanks!
Rick

> The following NEW packages will be installed:
> libnettle4{a} 
> The following packages will be upgraded:
> gir1.2-packagekitglib-1.0 libarchive13 libasyncns0 libavcodec57 libavfilter6 
> libavformat57 libavresample3 libavutil55 
> libc-bin libc-l10n libc6 libkpathsea6 libpackagekit-glib2-18 libpam-systemd 
> libpostproc54 libptexenc1 librest-0.7-0 
> libswresample2 libswscale4 libsynctex1 libsystemd0 libtexlua52 libtexluajit2 
> libudev1 libx264-148 locales 
> multiarch-support mythes-en-us packagekit packagekit-tools systemd 
> systemd-sysv texlive-base texlive-binaries 
> texlive-fonts-recommended texlive-fonts-recommended-doc texlive-latex-base 
> texlive-latex-base-doc udev x11-apps 
> x11-xkb-utils 
> 41 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
> Need to get 442 kB/104 MB of archives. After unpacking 16.6 MB will be freed.
> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
> libgnutls-deb0-28 : Conflicts: libnettle4 but 2.7.1-5+deb8u1 is to be 
> installed
> libgnutls30 : Conflicts: libnettle4 but 2.7.1-5+deb8u1 is to be installed
> open: 45; closed: 112; defer: 39; conflict: 46
> 
> The following actions will resolve these dependencies:
> 
>Keep the following packages at their current version:
> 1) libarchive13 [3.1.2-11+b1 (now, testing, unstable)]
> 2) libnettle4 [Not Installed] 
> 

Re: emacs menu line disappeared

[Jörg-Volker Peetz]

I've filed a bug already (#822944) without remedy so far. It's due to changes in
gtk-3. That's also the reason why the firefox package got back to link against 
gtk2.
I downgraded gtk-3 to 3.18 on my system.

Regards,
jvp.

Re: Libreoffice mail merge not working

[Paolo Cavallini]

Il 14/05/2016 00:28, Rodary Jacques ha scritto:

> Try convert your docs in .doc (not readable in recent MsOffice), .docx
> (not readable in old MsOffice :-) )or better in pdf, where the p stands
> for portable, remember. Or best learn LaTex to generate wonderful PDF docs.

Bonjour Jacques,
thanks for your reply. However, I'm missing your point: I need to do a
series of pdf from a Libreoffice doc, based on a db table, and I suspect
this function is broken in Debian Sid. How converting to something else
could help?
All the best.
-- 
Paolo Cavallini - www.faunalia.eu
QGIS & PostGIS courses: http://www.faunalia.eu/training.html

Re: emacs menu line disappeared

[tomas]

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> Thanks, did, its in .emacs now, but has NO effect!

Hmm. No permanent effect -- or no effect at all?

What happens when you start your Emacs with the -Q command line option?
(this skips most custom and site-specific initialization).

Can you then change the toolbar visibility?

Regards
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Re: Anytime I touch a print function, get error but it works

[cbannister]

On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 04:23:16PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Fixed it right up, thank you very much, Curt.  Since it had to create 
> that path in /etc from scratch, is there a way to ask dpkg what provides 
> this file so that I can make the mental connection to something I have 
> installed recently?

Yes, I use:

dpkg -S /path/to/file/filename

-- 
The media's the most powerful entity on earth. 
They have the power to make the innocent guilty 
and to make the guilty innocent, and that's power.
 -- Malcolm X