Re: Debian 1.3 ignores more than 2 groups.

1997-12-12 Thread Joey Hess
Pedro Sanchez wrote:
 After this, /etc/group is ok, with user-name added where appropriate.
 However, when user-name logs in and types groups he gets,
 
 $ groups
 user-name dialout
 
 Where is dip? In fact, I tested by adding user-name to more groups but to
 my surprise groups always returns the same two groups!

Odd:

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joey dialout cdrom floppy tape dos users pub network

Were you running X? I think you have to exit X and restart after adding a
group. You may have to log out and back in even if you're just on the
console, for the changes to take effect, but I'm not sure about that.

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Re: Several Q's

1997-12-12 Thread Raymond A. Ingles
On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Matthew Majka wrote:

 No switches on the mouse and the XF86Config file is bare.  I
 believe I used XF86Setup and it's various mouse options to
 try to get the middle button to work with no luck.

 Some mice require that you hold the middle mouse button down during 
powerup. This switches them into three-buton mode. Annoying, but it may 
not be annoying enough to make you buy a new mouse...

Sincerely,

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Re: Several Q's

1997-12-12 Thread Ben Pfaff
   Larry Gariepy wrote:

Matthew,
The problem with your mouse might not be your mouse, but the way that
it is configured.  I have had to jump through all of the mouse hoops a lot
recently to get mine to work.  A possible solution is that there might be
a switch on the bottom of the mouse that you can flip, then reboot the
machine, and see if it works.  If not, you will have to mess with
XF86Config.  If you don't have a switch on the bottom, or if that doesn't
fix the problem, then email this list again, and we'll go from there.

   No switches on the mouse and the XF86Config file is bare.  I
   believe I used XF86Setup and it's various mouse options to
   try to get the middle button to work with no luck.

Did you try reading through the 3-button-mouse howto in
/usr/doc/HOWTO/mini?


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Spreadsheets

1997-12-12 Thread Mark Phillips

Hi,

Two questions:

1.  Is the spreadsheet wingz available for debian - I couldn't find it.
Or is there a spreadsheet which allows the importation of wingz files?

2.  Which spreadsheet to people recommend?

Thanks,

Mark.


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Re: staroffice libc5

1997-12-12 Thread Bob Nielsen
On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, Rick Hawkins wrote:

 
 Bob Nielsen wrote,
 
  I think the requirement is : 5.4.4.  In anycase, it works fine for me with
  5.4.33.
 
 The next magic question, is are you using hamm or bo, and should it make a 
 difference?

I'm using bo, but I don't think that will be a problem if you keep a copy
of libc5 (not libc5-dev) when using hamm (I'm about to do the upgrade
here, which will require a downgrade from 5.4.33-6 to 5.4.33-3, but I
was using StarOffice before 5.4.33-6 came out.) 

Bob


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Re: Several Q's

1997-12-12 Thread Matthew Majka
On 11 Dec 1997, Ben Pfaff wrote:

[stuff removed]

 Did you try reading through the 3-button-mouse howto in
 /usr/doc/HOWTO/mini?

I'd like to thank everyone who answered my request for
information.  The fix was easy; hold down button 1 during
boot and set the protocol to MouseSystems... and the
documentation was on my system all along.  The more I use
Linux, the more I am amazed at the quality...

Maybe x86 HW isn't that bad after all...

Thankx again.

__
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Re: Need help in X Windows installation

1997-12-12 Thread Tommy Lakofski
whoops, this should have gone to the list too.

-- Forwarded message --
On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, Hamish Moffatt wrote:

  It is NOT necessary for the last command to be started with exec. In
  fact, exec should only be used on the window manager, and only if that 
  is the last command in .xinitrc. The problem is more likely the use of
  's. Every program started in .xinitrc should have  appended EXCEPT
  the window manager. 

Doesn't a /bin/sh stick around if you don't use exec? Or did that change
at some point? I think I put exec in my .xsession before the windowmanager
when I first installed debian (buzz) to make the /bin/sh go away, and it's
been there ever since. 

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Motherboard with Adaptec 2940

1997-12-12 Thread Jimmy Lu
Hi All,
I am thinking to buy a motherboard with SCSI controller.  A local 
newspaper advertised Iwill motherboard with Adaptec 2940U Ultra SCSI
controller.  Does Debian support such motherboard?  The manufacturer
has a web site @ http://www.iwill.com.tw
I appreciate it if someone could tell me pros and cons after used 
the board.
Thanks in advance.
Jimmy Lu


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Re: xdm....HELP!!!!!!???????

1997-12-12 Thread Sten Anderson
Alan Su [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Brian V Bonini wrote (Thu, 11 Dec 1997 14:28:59 -0500 ):
 |What I need to do is somehow stop xdm at boot up (I'm booting Linux from a
 |floppy)   so I can get access to the console as root and delete the
 |.xsession file that resides in /root. Please HELP
 |Thanks
 |-Brian, ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
 |
 
 Why don't you just log in with your user account and su to or even
 login as root?  You can also wait for the X server to start up and
 then hit Ctrl-alt-f1 to get to a console...
 

I could add to this that in order to stop xdm from starting up at boot 
time, you need to edit the file /etc/X11/config (as root). Change the
line start-xdm to no-start-xdm.

- Sten Anderson


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Re: Debian 1.3 ignores more than 2 groups.

1997-12-12 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Thu, Dec 11, 1997 at 07:18:16PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote:
  Where is dip? In fact, I tested by adding user-name to more groups but to
  my surprise groups always returns the same two groups!
 
 Odd:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/groups
 joey dialout cdrom floppy tape dos users pub network
 
 Were you running X? I think you have to exit X and restart after adding a
 group. You may have to log out and back in even if you're just on the
 console, for the changes to take effect, but I'm not sure about that.

You do.


Hamish
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How to use debian-cd

1997-12-12 Thread Steve Hsieh
Is there anyone using debian-cd who would be willing to provide
some basic instructions on how to use it (or point me to some?)

Specifically, after installing debian-cd-1.0 on a Debian-1.3.1R6 system, I
don't understand which vars need to be configured to make  mount the iso
filesystem in the right place (the default seems to write in my system's /
directory and die with an error??).  Also, I noticed that the script does
not pick up important variables like ARCH for some reason.  If I type the
command on the shell prompt, it works, but it doesn't when called inside
cd_functions.sh, but instead comes up blank...



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Re: Need help in X Windows installation

1997-12-12 Thread Sten Anderson
Tommy Lakofski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 whoops, this should have gone to the list too.
 
 -- Forwarded message --
 On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
 
  [ I said: ]
   It is NOT necessary for the last command to be started with exec. In
   fact, exec should only be used on the window manager, and only if that 
   is the last command in .xinitrc. The problem is more likely the use of
   's. Every program started in .xinitrc should have  appended EXCEPT
   the window manager. 
 
 Doesn't a /bin/sh stick around if you don't use exec? Or did that change
 at some point? I think I put exec in my .xsession before the windowmanager
 when I first installed debian (buzz) to make the /bin/sh go away, and it's
 been there ever since. 

Yes, by using exec to launch a command from a script, the process
associated with the script (/bin/sh) is replaced by the process
associated with the command. This saves a few system resources, since 
the script process is not laying sleeping in the background for no
purpose. The program pstree is an excellent tool to see the effect of
this. However, the improvement of performance by this is barely
measurable. I am simply arguing that while it is generally a good
idea to uses exec, it is not that important, and certainly not
required. In fact it might give you some unexpected effects, if exec
is used on anything else than the last command in a script.   

- Sten Anderson


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mailing list for free electronics software

1997-12-12 Thread Hamish Moffatt
I have created a mailing list for discussion about free electronics
software for Unix, especially Linux  FreeBSD. To subscribe, please email

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(where fes means free electronics software) with the command
subscribe in the text. The submission address is

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thanks,
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dataplot: NIST 1 million lines of code, since 1978

1997-12-12 Thread Jameson Burt
Mike Fleming has brought together a series of presentations at the Washington 
Statistical Society.  The theme has been public-domain software, including our 
usual friends in statistics and Linux like R (S+ clone), octave (Mathlab 
clone), LaTeX.  Beyond the packages many of us have heard of, this week James 
J. Filliben of the Statistical Engineering Division of the U.S. National 
Institute of Standards (NIST) presented software continually developed since 
they first introduced it in 1978 (yes, that's 20 years).  That software is 
DATAPLOT.

Three people work on dataplot full time at NIST.  They have 1 million lines of 
code in the program, 17 MB of binaries, and 2000 pages of documentation.  They 
have 70 statistical distributions, probably more than the statistical bastions 
SAS, SPSS and BMDP.  They contain most every experimental design in Box and 
Jenkins.  Their software does Exploratory Data Analysis (EDA), time series 
analysis, process control, reliability.  Their front end is Tcl/Tk and they 
have extensive graphics.  This program is very popular at NIST.

Why haven't we heard of dataplot?  NIST didn't want government software 
competing with commercial software.  Of course, the bastion SAS was developed 
under extensive funding by federal and state governments until someone carted 
off with it.  Indeed, Robert Morrison at Oklahoma State University still has 
the 72,000 IBM cards for SAS.  While James Filliben has Unix and Linux 
versions of dataplot, he learned this week about RedHat and Debian.  Mike 
Flemming tells me that the dataplot team is now interested in having a debian 
version.

Mike has tried to use the Linux version of dataplot and says he has difficulty 
with some libraries on Linux but can run dataplot on a Sun, so forming a 
debian package may take a little work.  I will give Mike Flemming the address 
of the Prospective-Packages maintainer, [EMAIL PROTECTED], which Mike will 
forward to James Filliben, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

dataplot has the web page
http://www.itl.nist.gov/div898/software/dataplot.html

Oh, yes, it is free, public-domain with some U.S. Government copyright.  
NIST has produced a product which best suits its purposes and probably does 
not want to use another product, unlike the massive geographical program 
Grass developed over decades by another US government agency.





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AMD K6

1997-12-12 Thread Fenrick
I was wondering if anyone knew of any problems with running the K6 and
Debian Linux?


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RE: AMD K6

1997-12-12 Thread George Bonser
I am running one on one of my machines ... no problems.


On 12-Dec-97 Fenrick wrote:
 I was wondering if anyone knew of any problems with running the K6 and
 Debian Linux?
 
 
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Re: AMD K6

1997-12-12 Thread A. M. Varon
Hi,

I have heard of some problems with AMD K6 Anyone to comment?

The reason is because I have a K6 200 right beside me. :)

regards,


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permission denied

1997-12-12 Thread Elaina Beth Tillinghast
I've mounted the cd and can read off of it. Permissions for a
particular file look like
-rwxr-xr-x  901  root   size  Install
Yet when I type ./Install from that directory as root, I get
permission denied.  What gives? I have no idea where to look. 

ebt - have fun


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cfdisk partion errors

1997-12-12 Thread butch
hi,

i seem to have a problem that came about from using cfdisk. are there any
ways to correct or edit partition errors?

allan


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Re: cfdisk partion errors

1997-12-12 Thread Lawrence
butch wrote:
 
 hi,
 
 i seem to have a problem that came about from using cfdisk. are there any
 ways to correct or edit partition errors?
 
 allan

Few months ago, I tried using cfdisk to set the linux partition (2GB),
and both linux and msdos fdisk denied to run and I have to low-level
format my SCSI HD to rectify the problem.

Lawrence


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Problem with booting after moving from 128 to 64M

1997-12-12 Thread Daniel J. Mashao
I had my system working fine for about 2 months but lately I have been
experiencing problems. I initially thought it had to do with dirty
filesystems. Now I have excluded that possibility.

Now I wanted to test memory (128M) by removing 64M at a time and changing
the lilo.conf mem statement. After I have done that the computer does not
boot anymore. It stops after line VFS: mount root  If I replace all
128M it boots fine, but it does not work with any combinations of 64 Megs

Any clues?


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Re: Debian Linux and Cirrus

1997-12-12 Thread Joost Kooij
On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, Alex Yukhimets wrote:

I would like to know if the Debian Linux Distribution support the Cirrus
5446 Chipset ?
   In short: YES.
  
  Thanks a lot for such a quick answer. I have another question...
  I have got a CDD2600 CD Recorder and a Pioneer 12x SCSI CDROM on an Adaptec
  1505. Could I have any problem to use them on the Debian distribution ? I
  promise that it is my last question :-)
 
 Is CD-recorder also SCSI? If yes, then there is only a question
 whether SCSI host adapter is supported. Adaptec is generally not the
 best choice for Linux, but this particular card seems to be supprted
 for already some time and I would not expect a problem with it.
 
 Refer to SCSI-HOWTO for more information.

The Philips CDD2600 works fine for me (on a symbios/ncr810.) It is
autodetected by cdwrite.  If you have problems writing cd's, investigate
into the controller, the wiring and termination. IIRC my CDD2600 is
jumpered to terminate the SCSI bus. You may want to change that if the
Pioneer already does that (or change the Pioneer.)

Cheers,


Joost


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Re: permission denied

1997-12-12 Thread Oliver Elphick
Elaina Beth Tillinghast wrote:
  I've mounted the cd and can read off of it. Permissions for a
  particular file look like
  -rwxr-xr-x  901  root   size  Install
  Yet when I type ./Install from that directory as root, I get
  permission denied.  What gives? I have no idea where to look. 
  
It's probably a script.  Therefore it's quite likely that you
have a problem with permissions on something the script is trying to 
run.

If it is not a script, I have no idea.

If it is, the first line probably says what shell process is to run the
script.  It might say `#! /bin/bash' or `#! /usr/bin/perl'.  Check the
permissions of that executable.  If that is OK, start debugging the
script itself.  If it's a shell script (/bin/bash or /bin/sh) put
`set -x' near the top; if it's a perl script, I don't know; perhaps
someone else could suggest something.  The object is to see what command 
in the script is failing.  If you can't do it that way, check the
permissions of every command the script tries to run.

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Re: Debian Linux and Cirrus

1997-12-12 Thread Daniel J. Mashao
On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, Joost Kooij wrote:

 On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, Alex Yukhimets wrote:
 
 I would like to know if the Debian Linux Distribution support the 
 Cirrus
 5446 Chipset ?
In short: YES.
The Chipset has a problem that there is no one porting X86 to it. If you
read the READMEs that come from the X development group they do mention
this problem. So the problem is not Debian support but X support. I think
the problem was made worse initially because the chip maker was unwilling
to give information about the chip. 

   I have got a CDD2600 CD Recorder and a Pioneer 12x SCSI CDROM on an 
   Adaptec
   1505. Could I have any problem to use them on the Debian distribution ? I
   promise that it is my last question :-)
Its is not so much a question of a distribution as is a question of Linux
drivers being available. The only difference that has impacted me directly
was that someone has wriiten a filter for Red Hat that allows remote
printing with the normal lpr without resorting to other fancy ways of
trying to accomplish this but otherwise its 99.9% the issue of linux
drivers.

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HELP! Taper Seg Faults on Restore!!!

1997-12-12 Thread Brian K Servis
Help,

I need to restore a file from a Taper 6.7.4 backup and when I try 
a restore Taper seg faults as soon as I select any file for restore.
I need to get a file off the backup ASAP!  Is there any other
program that can read the tapes.  I am using the ftape driver to
write to an QIC-80 Extra cartridge.  The backup went without a hitch
last week.

Please Help!

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Re: Perl 5.004.04-2 causes core dumps...

1997-12-12 Thread Ken Lauffenburger
Interesting, I am running perl version 5.004.04-2 also, but when I do
perl -v I get:

This is perl, version 5.004_04 built for i386-linux
  
Copyright 1987-1997, Larry Wall

Perl may be copied only under the terms of either the Artistic License or the
GNU General Public License, which may be found in the Perl 5.0 source kit.

--ken

 Adrenolin [~]$perl -v
 perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
 perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
 LC_ALL = (unset),
 LANG = en_US
 are supported and installed on your system.
 perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale (C).
 
 This is perl, version 5.004_02
 
   Thanx 
   --Rob


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CHoose OS v0.80 - Tale of Woe

1997-12-12 Thread Victor Torrico
On 97/12/11 at 08:25 AM -0500, Victor Torrico wrote: 

Hello,
  
Think CHOS is the greatest thing since chocolate ice cream.  I have it partially
configured but can't boot all OSs on several partitions.  Obviously it's a case
of cockpit trouble on my part.  I've tried all I can do to get all three
bootable partitions to boot with only partial success.  Here's the sad tale:
  
Running Debian Linux i586 box with two 1.6 GByte EIDE hard drives.  Before I was
using the OS/2 loader and lilo which worked fine for selecting the partition to
boot.  The actual partitions are:
  1.   * /dev/hda2 -  linux OS mounted as / (Use entire drive for linux)
  2. /dev/hdb6 -  linux OS mounted as /mnt/deb (Use for file storage only)
  3.   * /dev/hdb7 -  linux OS mounted as /mnt/debb (Emergency linux partition)
  4.   * /dev/hdb8 -  OS/2 OS mounted as /mnt/os2 (HPFS)
 
   * = bootable OSs  
 
The names for the three bootable partitions I would use for CHOS would be:
  
/dev/hda2 = Linux A (there are 2 kernels here /boot/vmlinuz  /boot/vmlinuz.old)
/dev/hdb7 = Linux B
/dev/hdb8 = OS/2
  
Right now the only kernel that will load is /boot/vmlinuz.old.  /boot/vmlinuz
will not load.  Also using vchos I couldn't get /dev/hdb7 or /dev/hdb8 to load
no matter what I tried.  It's probably something dumb I'm overlooking.

Please help or point me to where I can get help.
  
My /etc/chos.conf file is: (before I tried other OSs)
  
snip
  
# BACKGOUND
background=dump:/boot/bg/chos.bin
  
# MENUPOSITION
menupos=21,16
  
# TIMERPOSITION
timerpos=24,3
  
#   FILE SETTINGS
#
#
  
#   IMAGES
#
##
  
bootsect DOS {
  color=lightblue
  image=/dev/hda1
}
  
linux Linux {
  color=blue
  image=/vmlinuz
}
  
linux Old Linux {
  color=red
  image=/boot/vmlinuz.old
}
  
snip
  
I also tried image=/boot/vmlinux under Linux with no success (no boot).
Old Linux boots fine.  I don't use DOS at all so I can simply elininate that
part of the file.
  
  
Regards,
   
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dselect

1997-12-12 Thread tango
Does anyone know how to install packages with dselect, via floppy
disks?  I know I have to include the packages themselves, .dep files,
right?  But I think I need to add soemthing else cause I get some
errors, I need to add like a packages header or something, any ideas? 
Also does anyone know of a online manual that explains installing new
packages, binary and source to debian?


Thanxz,
Bud


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Re: IP Aliasing

1997-12-12 Thread Nils Rennebarth
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 Our upstream provider is forcing us to change our Class C.  Now, we need
 to run two blocks parallel for awhile.  We're running Debian Linux
 (2.0.32)  and I was wondering how to set up an IP address alias.  i.e. we
 want our eth0 card to have two different addresses.  Any pointers on how
 to do this?
Roll a kernel with ip-alias included or as a module (in the latter case
make sure the module is loaded) and use the normal ifconfig commands on
the magic names eth0:0, eth0:1,... to configure additional IP adresses on
the same physical device. See also
  kernel-source/Documentation/networking/alias.txt

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Re: Debian 1.3 ignores more than 2 groups.

1997-12-12 Thread Pedro Sanchez
That's it. I have to logout and login again for the new groups to take effect.
I wasn't using X, just the console.

Thank you for your answers.

P. Sanchez
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 On Thu, Dec 11, 1997 at 07:18:16PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote:
   Where is dip? In fact, I tested by adding user-name to more groups but to
   my surprise groups always returns the same two groups!
  
  Odd:
  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/groups
  joey dialout cdrom floppy tape dos users pub network
  
  Were you running X? I think you have to exit X and restart after adding a
  group. You may have to log out and back in even if you're just on the
  console, for the changes to take effect, but I'm not sure about that.
 
 You do.
 
 
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Re: Motherboard with Adaptec 2940

1997-12-12 Thread Alex Yukhimets
 I am thinking to buy a motherboard with SCSI controller.  A local 
 newspaper advertised Iwill motherboard with Adaptec 2940U Ultra SCSI
 controller.  Does Debian support such motherboard?  The manufacturer
 has a web site @ http://www.iwill.com.tw
 I appreciate it if someone could tell me pros and cons after used 
 the board.

Hi.

I myself considered buying MB with on-board  SCSI adapter, though
it was Asus P2L97-DS and AIR P6LDX-S. The AIC7880 SCSI chip (the one
used in 2940UW) is supported by linux, but you can always expect any
surprise from Adaptec - a little change in SCSI BIOS and you are out
of luck (at lest for a while). In any case BusLogic SCSI adapters are
*MUCH* better supported. 
So the only PRO is that you save one PCI slot for something else.
The CONS are: worse supported adapter, practically impossible
to attach any external devices. (MB doesn't have external scsi slot,
you can daisy-chain the connector from the internal one, but SCSI bus
length limitations would not allow you to attach no more than one
external device, if you are lucky.) Length restrictions also apply for the
case of PCI adapter and though more easily fulfilled with the same number
of devices, any serious system should consider having 2 SCSI adapters
(if you do not plan to use IDE at all), and not only for SCSI bus length
reasons. So, the real alternatives are: SCSI MB with another PCI (Adaptec,
mixing two brands of adapters is probably not good idea) SCSI controler
and non-SCSI MB with 2 BusLogic Adapters. The second is much better,
and cost only about $150 more.

Alex Y.
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Socket question? Network unreachable

1997-12-12 Thread Brian Hutchinson
I have a simple socket program.  I've compiled it with gcc on
Debian 1.1 (kernel 2.0.29) and Red Had (Biltmore 2.0.30) and I keep
getting Network is unreachable.

Running gdb reveals the connect call is not working.
After stepping over the connect, errno = 101.  Network is unreachable is
displayed by perror and the program exits.

This is a small program that runs fine under SunOS 4.1.3.  The only thing
I had to do to the program was change the include paths from sys/ to linux/.

My Linux box IP 140.117.43.69
Netmask 255.255.224.0
Network 140.117.32.0
Broadcast   140.117.63.225


Can anyone give me a clue as to what the problem might be.  I don't know what
to look for at the moment.  The only thing I can think of is the above IPs
are not correct.  I can ping and telnet to the target which has the server this
socket program is to connect to.  I look in the arp table and it has a complete
entry.  Would arp be able to figure out everything if the above IPs we not 
right?

Thanks in advance for any advice.

Brian


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Re: dselect

1997-12-12 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Fri, 12 Dec 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Does anyone know how to install packages with dselect, via floppy
 disks?  I know I have to include the packages themselves, .dep files,
 right?  But I think I need to add soemthing else cause I get some
 errors, I need to add like a packages header or something, any ideas? 

The first floppy must contain a Packages file, but you really don't want
to do it this way. If you must add packages to your system via floppy
disk, use dpkg and install them one at a time.

 Also does anyone know of a online manual that explains installing new
 packages, binary and source to debian?
 
You might take a look at my new book. You can download the html version
from http://www.linuxpress.com. (the html version is freely distributable)

Luck,

Dwarf
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smail gone made

1997-12-12 Thread Rick Hawkins
Yesterday I upgraded some packages, including smail.  Coming in this morning, 
there was no new mail, which is more than a little odd.  Apparently smail was 
no longer running; trying to stop the daemon failed. I restarted it, and mail 
begain appearing.  But Every message is accompanied by an error message like 
this:


Return-Path: MAILER-DAEMON
Return-Path: MAILER-DAEMON
Received: from eyry.econ.iastate.edu by eyry.econ.iastate.edu
 with bsmtp id m0xgQQN-001GvWC
(Debian Smail-3.2.0.92 1997-Feb-9 #2); Fri, 12 Dec 1997 02:26:19 -0600 
(CST)
Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 02:26:19 -0600 (CST)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: real-hawk
Subject: mail failed, sending to address owner
Reference: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

|- Failed addresses follow: -|
 -user ... failed: unknown user
 /usr/local/mh/lib/slocal ... failed: transport file: failed to open output 
file: No such file or directory
|- Message text follows: |
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Re: Perl 5.004.04-2 causes core dumps...

1997-12-12 Thread Scott Ellis
On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, Ken Lauffenburger wrote:

 Interesting, I am running perl version 5.004.04-2 also, but when I do
 perl -v I get:
 
 This is perl, version 5.004_04 built for i386-linux
   
 Copyright 1987-1997, Larry Wall
 
 Perl may be copied only under the terms of either the Artistic License or the
 GNU General Public License, which may be found in the Perl 5.0 source kit.
 
 --ken
 
  Adrenolin [~]$perl -v
  perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
  perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
  LC_ALL = (unset),
  LANG = en_US
  are supported and installed on your system.
  perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale (C).
  
  This is perl, version 5.004_02

Ahh, did the original poster remember to install perl-base as well?

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Mirroring hamm question

1997-12-12 Thread Caleb Epstein

Not sure if this is the right list to ask this question, but
here goes.

The gods of bandwidth have smiled upon me at work, and I am
able to create a local mirror of the Debian FTP site.  I'm currently
just mirroring /debian/hamm.

When I use this mirror machine as an FTP server for dselect,
and point it at the root of my hamm mirror, dselect is able to get the
package lists successfully (I ask for main, contrib, non-free).
However, when it comes to fetching the package files themselves, it is
unable to find them because it is looking for them in a subdirectory
called dists (e.g. /xxx/dists/main/binary-i386/yadda-yadda-yadda).
This dists directory exists in /debian, but not in /debian/hamm
itself.

When I try setting up dselect to point to this parent
directory (which contains just dists and hamm), it is unable to find
the package lists.

My work-around is to create hamm/dists, which contains
symlinks called unstable, contrib, and non-free, which point to hamm,
hamm/contrib, and hamm/non-free respectively.

Here's an illustration of my mirror's directory structure:

debian/
  dists/ (I added this by hand)
   contrib - ../hamm/contrib
   non-free - ../hamm/non-free
   unstable - ../hamm
  hamm/
   Mirror of ftp.debian.org:/debian/hamm
   dists/  (I had to add this to get package fetching to work)
contrib - ../contrib
non-free - ../non-free
unstable - ../hamm

How is this *supposed* to be done?  Do I need more in /debian
than just dists and hamm?

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Re: dselect

1997-12-12 Thread Sten Anderson
Dale Scheetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Fri, 12 Dec 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Does anyone know how to install packages with dselect, via floppy
  disks?  I know I have to include the packages themselves, .dep files,
  right?  But I think I need to add soemthing else cause I get some
  errors, I need to add like a packages header or something, any ideas? 
 
 The first floppy must contain a Packages file, but you really don't want
 to do it this way. If you must add packages to your system via floppy
 disk, use dpkg and install them one at a time.

Strictly speaking, dselect doesn't need a Packages file.  dselect can
get this information by scanning a directory with packages, if a
Packages file is unavailable.  If your get your distribution from
floppies, it is most likely incomplete (that would require a lot of
floppies), thus the Packages file from the distribution does not
coreespond to the packages you have.  I recommend that you first copy
all your packages to a directory on the harddisk, and then let dselect 
scan this directory. 

- Sten Anderson


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newbie questions...Help!

1997-12-12 Thread Rick
Hi,
I have just installed Debian on a partition of my HD (and a swap partition)
everything seems to be going well, i log on and get a $, what next?

I have a Mistsumi CD rom drive, but cannot get the drivers select page to
recognise it, how do i find the interupts, irq thingys out?

what packages should i get to start me off, how (after downloading them
with win95) do i get the files on a debian readable floppy, and after that
how do i install, use them?

how can i look at the contents of my hd? something like dir in dos would be
nice?

whats this x windows thing, and how do i get, install, use it?

how do i change my username and password?

how do i log on as super-user?

and more and more and more

sorry about the newbie'ness of these questions but i have no idea what i am
doing...
Thanks
Rick



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Re: is there a Debian specific published manual

1997-12-12 Thread David B. Teague
Hi:

Inquiry was made regarding published (I assumed commercial) 
books/ manuals on Debian. A reply from Fuzzy [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
indicated some of the debian website things, whiich are indispensible.

Beyond the HOWTOs, files in /usr/doc/...  Dale Scheetz has written a
book specifc to Debian. It primarily treats installation. I wish I had
had it when I began installing Debian.  

I have not connection to Dale, nor Linux Press other than I bought the
book and think it is worth the purchase price. 

The Debian Linux User's Guide   by Dale Scheetz
with Official Debian Linux binary and source CDs
+ a third CD with useful other goodies

Price: $37.95 + shipping

It comes with 30 days telephone support. I was told that Dale does the
support. He has been a developer and his email help to me has been
invaluable. 

Email support by whoever might reply from the list remains free. 

It is published by 

Linux Press,
POB 220 
Penngrove CA 94951, 
Voice: (707)773 4916
FAX:  (707)765 1431
http://www.linuxpress.com

The webpage has a copy of the text in html format that may be
downloaded, under very mild restrictions that protect the print
copyright. 

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Re: Perl 5.004.04-2 causes core dumps...

1997-12-12 Thread Frank Barknecht
Pure Energy hat gesagt: // Pure Energy wrote:

 
 Hmm same thing here aswell. I'm running stable but have a few hamm
 packages installed. This i get running everyperl script and some
 (including adduser) just core dump.. *ANY* help in this would be
 appreciated.
 
 Adrenolin [~]$perl -v
 perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
 perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
 LC_ALL = (unset),
 LANG = en_US
 are supported and installed on your system.
 perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale (C).
 
 This is perl, version 5.004_02
 
Had the same problem a while ago. Updateing the locale-packets solved it
here.

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Re: AMD K6

1997-12-12 Thread Rick Hawkins

 I have heard of some problems with AMD K6 Anyone to comment?

 The reason is because I have a K6 200 right beside me. :)

There was a minor bug that was fixed some months ago.  In repeated compiles, 
it would attempt to execute an occasional instruction twice.  THis has been 
fixed, and all of the current chips do not have this problem.  the change 
occurs at stepping b9733 or so.  If set to compile 100 times, it would 
typically fail on a few.

Also, there were some problems with people not supplying proper voltages, etc. 
 Many older motherboards don't support the k6 voltages.






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Mail Server?

1997-12-12 Thread Robinet David Jeremy

  Hi. I'm going to be setting up a dedicated network connection for a 
client across the border. He has asked me about a separate mail server 
(on top of the web/cgi server with the Net connection) to offload some of 
the duties of the main server.

  I'm a little confused as to how exactly I would accomplish this. I know 
it's possible. I'm familiar with PPP, and I've set up the one server to 
communicate on the Net (with a little help from the HOWTO... :)... but 
how would I have all incoming mail sent to the second computer for 
processing etc?

  Thanks in advance.

  Dave Robinet
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more on that smail problem

1997-12-12 Thread Rick Hawkins

hmm, I now also noticed that there is a file @ in my home directory, which is 
a symbolic link to the current message in exmh.  I don't think this used to be 
the case.  and after a reboot, the smail daemon had to be manually started 
again.

rick



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Re: smail gone made

1997-12-12 Thread David Gaudine


On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, Rick Hawkins wrote:

 Yesterday I upgraded some packages, including smail.  Coming in this morning, 
 there was no new mail, which is more than a little odd.  Apparently smail was 
 no longer running; trying to stop the daemon failed. I restarted it, and mail 
 begain appearing.  But Every message is accompanied by an error message like 
 this:

I had to rerun smail-config and specify using a daemon instead of
an inet.d entry.  (I got that from reading debian-devel.) But, apparently
you were already using a daemon; there's obviously something here I don't
understand, but try what I did anyway.


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Re: newbie questions...Help!

1997-12-12 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, Rick wrote:

 Hi,
 I have just installed Debian on a partition of my HD (and a swap partition)
 everything seems to be going well, i log on and get a $, what next?
 
 I have a Mistsumi CD rom drive, but cannot get the drivers select page to
 recognise it, how do i find the interupts, irq thingys out?
 
 what packages should i get to start me off, how (after downloading them
 with win95) do i get the files on a debian readable floppy, and after that
 how do i install, use them?
 
 how can i look at the contents of my hd? something like dir in dos would be
 nice?
 
 whats this x windows thing, and how do i get, install, use it?
 
 how do i change my username and password?
 
 how do i log on as super-user?
 
 and more and more and more
 
 sorry about the newbie'ness of these questions but i have no idea what i am
 doing...
 Thanks
 Rick
 
Most of your questions are not Debian specific (straight *nix stuff). I
recommend that you get a book on general Unix systems (something like
Unix for Dummies, which is actually well written dispite the derogatory
title). You would also benefit from reading Matt Welsh's book Running
Linux. For the Debian installation questions I can recommend my own book
The Debian User's Guide which is available in html from
http://www.linuxpress.com

For instance, getting your CD-ROM mounted will depend more on the
controler than the drive. (although the Mitsumi drive typically uses a
proprietary controler, I believe that the drivers disk includes it)

Hope this helps.

Luck,

Dwarf
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Re: smail gone made

1997-12-12 Thread Rick Hawkins

David Guadine wrotem,

 I had to rerun smail-config and specify using a daemon instead of
 an inet.d entry.  (I got that from reading debian-devel.) But, apparently
 you were already using a daemon; there's obviously something here I don't
 understand, but try what I did anyway.

Just tried this, but no dice.  I'm still getting the error messages. 
But I find the reference to  /usr/local/mh/lib/slocal suspicious, as I don't 
think debian packages use /usr/local at all, do they?




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Debian on Aptiva

1997-12-12 Thread Tim Sailer
Folks,
  Has anyone installed Debian on an IBM Aptiva L5H? I have a user here
that wants to get one, but only if Linux will install and run with
little hassle.

Thanks,
Tim

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Re: Debian Linux User's Guide HAS ONLY EMAIL SUPPORT!

1997-12-12 Thread David B. Teague
Dale and all

My apologies to Dale Sheetz and to the list. I was really OFF BASE
in my remark about 'Phone support' for this book. I was wrong,
and the sooner that is fixed the better. 




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DCE for Linux?

1997-12-12 Thread Tim Sailer
Here at BNL, we have the RHIC project ( a super collider ) going
online in '99. The folks that are specing out what to do with the
data (50MB/min for 4000 hrs/yr) are using big Sparc SMP iron,
and HPSS, a big tape farm to hold the raw data. The data first
goes to a 30TB cache of fiber-channel drives, then spools to the
tapes. They are looking to incorporate Linux as nodes on this
monster. HPSS is based on DCE/DFS, so I was asked to find a
DCE product for Linux. Does anyone have pointers, or, even better,
experience?

Thanks,
Tim

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RE: Socket question? Network unreachable

1997-12-12 Thread Lewis, James M.
Without seeing the program, it's hard to tell.  I suspect that you have a 
big-endian/little-endian problem.  Try getting the addr with gethostbyname 
or convert the ip-addr directly with inet_addr.

jim

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Subject:Socket question? Network unreachable

I have a simple socket program.  I've compiled it with gcc on
Debian 1.1 (kernel 2.0.29) and Red Had (Biltmore 2.0.30) and I keep
getting Network is unreachable.

Running gdb reveals the connect call is not working.
After stepping over the connect, errno = 101.  Network is unreachable is
displayed by perror and the program exits.

This is a small program that runs fine under SunOS 4.1.3.  The only thing
I had to do to the program was change the include paths from sys/ to 
linux/.

My Linux box IP 140.117.43.69
Netmask 255.255.224.0
Network 140.117.32.0
Broadcast   140.117.63.225


Can anyone give me a clue as to what the problem might be.  I don't know 
what
to look for at the moment.  The only thing I can think of is the above IPs
are not correct.  I can ping and telnet to the target which has the server 
this
socket program is to connect to.  I look in the arp table and it has a 
complete
entry.  Would arp be able to figure out everything if the above IPs we not 
right?

Thanks in advance for any advice.

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Re: Mail Server?

1997-12-12 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, Robinet David Jeremy wrote:

 
   Hi. I'm going to be setting up a dedicated network connection for a 
 client across the border. He has asked me about a separate mail server 
 (on top of the web/cgi server with the Net connection) to offload some of 
 the duties of the main server.
 
   I'm a little confused as to how exactly I would accomplish this. I know 
 it's possible. I'm familiar with PPP, and I've set up the one server to 
 communicate on the Net (with a little help from the HOWTO... :)... but 
 how would I have all incoming mail sent to the second computer for 
 processing etc?
 
When I send mail through my ISP, I direct pine's smtp to the mail server
(by name, ie mail.polaris.net) my ISP askes me to use. I assume that
smail/sendmail on other machines on the local net would be pointed at
that server as well.

Luck,

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Re: Socket question? Network unreachable

1997-12-12 Thread Jens B. Jorgensen
Brian Hutchinson wrote:
 
 I have a simple socket program.  I've compiled it with gcc on
 Debian 1.1 (kernel 2.0.29) and Red Had (Biltmore 2.0.30) and I keep
 getting Network is unreachable.
 
 Running gdb reveals the connect call is not working.
 After stepping over the connect, errno = 101.  Network is unreachable is
 displayed by perror and the program exits.
 
 This is a small program that runs fine under SunOS 4.1.3.  The only thing
 I had to do to the program was change the include paths from sys/ to linux/.
 
 My Linux box IP 140.117.43.69
 Netmask 255.255.224.0
 Network 140.117.32.0
 Broadcast   140.117.63.225
 
 Can anyone give me a clue as to what the problem might be.  I don't know what
 to look for at the moment.  The only thing I can think of is the above IPs
 are not correct.  I can ping and telnet to the target which has the server 
 this
 socket program is to connect to.  I look in the arp table and it has a 
 complete
 entry.  Would arp be able to figure out everything if the above IPs we not 
 right?
 
 Thanks in advance for any advice.

When you set up your sockaddr_in do you make sure to use htonl() to
convert the IP address to network byte order? I bet you don't! Your
program would work on a Sun because Sparc uses big-endian numbers
(which are therefore *already* in network byte order) while Intel x86
uses little-endian numbers which must be re-ordered using htonl().

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Re: permission denied

1997-12-12 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, Elaina Beth Tillinghast wrote:

: I've mounted the cd and can read off of it. Permissions for a
: particular file look like
: -rwxr-xr-x  901  root   size  Install
: Yet when I type ./Install from that directory as root, I get
: permission denied.  What gives? I have no idea where to look. 
: 
: ebt - have fun
: 

Most likely the CD is mounted with the noexec flag.  You may remount
the cd and omit the noexec flag, or if the file is a shell script (which
most Install programs tend to be) just use sh/bash/whatever to run it
(sh Install)

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RE: Mail Server?

1997-12-12 Thread George Bonser

If there is a second dedicated IP address, you would use MX records in the DNS
to do it.  Otherwise, if there is only one IP address, you can use rinetd.


On 12-Dec-97 Robinet David Jeremy wrote:
 
   Hi. I'm going to be setting up a dedicated network connection for a 
 client across the border. He has asked me about a separate mail server 
 (on top of the web/cgi server with the Net connection) to offload some of 
 the duties of the main server.
 
   I'm a little confused as to how exactly I would accomplish this. I know 
 it's possible. I'm familiar with PPP, and I've set up the one server to 
 communicate on the Net (with a little help from the HOWTO... :)... but 
 how would I have all incoming mail sent to the second computer for 
 processing etc?
 
   Thanks in advance.
 
   Dave Robinet
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New Mirror :)

1997-12-12 Thread dpk
I have set up a US Debian mirror ftp site in E. Lansing, Michigan:
   ftp://debian.egr.msu.edu/debian

It should be quite fast, as it is on 100mb to Fiber, then out to the world-
which last time I checked was a T3 down to Ann Arbor.

This site will be up 24-7, (minus the morning of the 29th of Decemeber),
and as long as it doesn't cause serious problems with our network and
security.  Please email me if you notice any problems or have suggestions.
Enjoy!

Thanks,
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Re: newbie questions...Help!

1997-12-12 Thread Will Lowe
On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, Rick wrote:

 I have a Mistsumi CD rom drive, but cannot get the drivers select page to
 recognise it, how do i find the interupts, irq thingys out?
Take a look at the settings for the drive under Win95.

 what packages should i get to start me off, how (after downloading them
 with win95) do i get the files on a debian readable floppy, and after that
 how do i install, use them?

 
 how can i look at the contents of my hd? something like dir in dos would be
 nice?
try ls -- roughly the equivalent of dir in dos.

 whats this x windows thing, and how do i get, install, use it?
Nifty stuff.  You get it from wherever you get debian -- it comes
prepackaged.  Just select the right package based on your video card.

 how do i change my username and password?
adduser and passwd

 how do i log on as super-user?
su

I'd recommend you hit http://www.linux.org and take a look at the howto's
and beginner's guides there.  Specifically check out
http://sunsite.unc.edu/LDP/HOWTO/DOS-to-Linux-HOWTO.html
for information on making the migration from dos to linux.

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Re: Debian Linux and Cirrus

1997-12-12 Thread Alex Yukhimets
 On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, Joost Kooij wrote:
 
  On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, Alex Yukhimets wrote:
  
  I would like to know if the Debian Linux Distribution support the 
  Cirrus
  5446 Chipset ?
 In short: YES.
 The Chipset has a problem that there is no one porting X86 to it. If you
 read the READMEs that come from the X development group they do mention
 this problem. So the problem is not Debian support but X support. I think
 the problem was made worse initially because the chip maker was unwilling
 to give information about the chip. 

Hi.

May be I am mistaken, but this chipset is listed as supported (with
acceleration) even in Xfree86-3.3. I myself use similar Alpine chip with
no problems.

Thanks.

Alex Y.

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Question re: ViewSonic 15G S3 video card...

1997-12-12 Thread smorrill
Hello all...

I have a ViewSonic 15G monitor and an older JAX 8241 video card
with an S3 805 chipset.  I've got the boot magazine disk version of
Debian installed on my 586 and so far everything's working great, except
for

   I'm trying to get XFree86 up and running and am beating my brains out
here trying to come up with the correct modeline combination for this
monitor and card.  I keep getting the squashed mode when X starts
'cause I'm obviously not getting the correct modeline set up.  Does
anybody out there have a similar combination they would be willing to
share their modeline settings for?  I'm very new at this.  I think
I've probably edited XF86Config at least 73 times by now, still not
getting it right.

  TIA

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I can't get the screen back the way it was!

1997-12-12 Thread Kathleen Kraay
My students were messing around with my classroom computer, and now I 
have stuff all over the place.  I can't get everything back in proper 
order.  What do I do?


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Re: I can't get the screen back the way it was!

1997-12-12 Thread Ben Pfaff
   My students were messing around with my classroom computer, and now I 
   have stuff all over the place.  I can't get everything back in proper 
   order.  What do I do?

Some more details would be helpful.  As is, your question is very
vague and it's hard to offer any suggestions.  For instance, what
window manager are you using?  What exactly is not in place?


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Re: zgv (libc6)

1997-12-12 Thread Adrian Bridgett
On Thu, Dec 11, 1997 at 01:35:47AM -0500, Christopher Jason Morrone wrote:
 
 Just tried zgv thats in hamm.  I get this:
 
 red# zgv
 svgalib: FATAL internal error:
 Set MAX_REGS at least to 405 in src/driver.h and recompile everything.

Normally I'd suggest sending something like this to [EMAIL PROTECTED],
but I've already reported the bug so don't bother :-) 

--sample email--
Package: zgv
Version: 2.8-2

red# zgv
svgalib: FATAL internal error:
Set MAX_REGS at least to 405 in src/driver.h and recompile everything.

I have a ... video card , the relevant bits of /etc/vga/libvga.config are
attached below. BTW I got this running ... and ...
[bits of libvga.conf]
--sample email--

Thanks

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Re: Partitioning

1997-12-12 Thread Adrian Bridgett
On Thu, Dec 11, 1997 at 01:01:43PM +0100, Gertjan Klein wrote:
 Bill Leach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   What do you mean with incompatible workarounds?  What's incompatible
 about booting from an extended partition?
 
   I have lost it.  In as much as I really do not wish to mislead anyone
   then by misinformation are you talking about my assertions with respect
   to the BIOS design (and indeed design evolution) upon the overall
   filesystem design, or rather my (admitted) failure to even mention that
   there are new BIOS designs that do not themselves impose this scheme, or
   both?
 
   Your misinformation was that:
 
  - BIOS imposes the current partitioning scheme opon us, and limits the
 number of primary partitions to four (not true - BIOS knows nothing
 about partitions and doesn't care either).

It does have the 1024 cylinders problem though.

  - DOS, Windows and OS/2 don't see other primary partitions than the one
 they booted from (not true - DOS and Windows see other primary DOS
 partitions just fine, and OS/2 won't even boot when they are present and
 not hidden).

As I understand it, (at least with DOS/windows/OS2), you can only see one
primary partition _per disk_. This was also what various HOWTO's seemed to
say.

The fact that windows (95 and NT) cannot use partitions properly - they
*require* that they are on the first primary partition on a disk - means
that partitioning is _alot_ of hard work (trust me - I've spent a week
reinstalling things and messing around).

One feature I look for in a design is easy modification in the future (which
is normally always needed for one reason or another). Most things designed
by MS or to do with an IBM-PC are not. This ain't a flame - it's just fact:
  - BIOS date problems - compared with Unix which will eventually hit a
problem 60 years after it's birth)
  - IRQ cascading
  - only now going 32-bit (cf Mac/Atari/Amiga - 32/16bit since introduction)
  - FAT filesystem
  - VFAT (and even NTFS IIRC) - upper/lower case confusion
  - allowing spaces in filename - *completely* *braindead*
  

The PC wasn't badly designed - it just wasn't designed.

Adrian

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Re: umsdos

1997-12-12 Thread Martin Str|mberg
Jason Ish said

 I have to install Linux onto a umsdos file system on one of my computers,
 even though I know it isn't a suggested practice.

 What steps should I take to install a fresh debian system onto umsdos.  I
 have a up and running Debian system to make a new kernel and what not.

 Thanks for any info or pointers to info.
 Jason

I've asked the same myself, and got some feedback:

- Forwarded message from Giuliano Procida -

From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Sat Aug 23 15:02:52 1997
To: Martin Str|mberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: UMSDOS support for boot-floppies
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 14:02:48 +0100
From: Giuliano Procida [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I have done this already. However, there are bugs in UMSDOS [yes, the
Linux kernel] which make it impossible to use reliably.

In particular there is one bug of unknown origin that completely
crashes Linux (it never returns from a syscall). This bug is triggered
during dpkg -i ncurses-term* . Another bug caused dpkg -i libc* to
fail [but this has been isolated].

For the moment, I have suspended further development work on UMSDOS
support. It is possible that the UMSDOS stuff may be cleaned up when
it is converted to work with new dcache scheme in the 2.1 kernels.

If you are interested in my work to date, please feel free to take a
look at ftp://hilfy.magd.cam.ac.uk/pub/ boot-floppies/*patch* and
current/PROBLEMS .

I can make a more recent patch available if you are interested.

Giuliano.

- End of forwarded message from Giuliano Procida -

Please note that this info is somewhat dated, but the ftp directory is
still there.

There might be some info in the debian-user mailing list archives as well.


HTH,

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Re: Spreadsheets

1997-12-12 Thread Joel Klecker
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Regarding Spreadsheets of 05:42 PM -0800 1997-12-11, Mark Phillips wrote:
Hi,

Two questions:

1.  Is the spreadsheet wingz available for debian - I couldn't find it.
Or is there a spreadsheet which allows the importation of wingz files?

There's a Linux version of Wingz, see
http://www.wingz.com/linux/linux.html, but there's no Debian installer
package.

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mail delivery error message

1997-12-12 Thread David Stern
Hi,

Two days ago I began getting the following error messages when I 
responded to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
which I did twice. The standard mailing list footer is on the mail, it 
appears to come from the mailing-list, but the From: address reads Mail 
Delivery System [EMAIL PROTECTED] .  It's pretty confusing 
to me.

Who's mail delivery software is generating this error message?
([EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED](is this 
debian?)?)

What is the cause of this error message?
(some procmail recipe? specifically how was it triggered?)

What corrective action can I take?
(clueless, but I'd like this to stop)

David Stern  confused look


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RE: Partitioning

1997-12-12 Thread Lewis, James M.


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Sent:   Friday, December 12, 1997 1:35 PM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Cc: The recipient's address is unknown.
Subject:Re: Partitioning

On Thu, Dec 11, 1997 at 01:01:43PM +0100, Gertjan Klein wrote:
 Bill Leach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   What do you mean with incompatible workarounds?  What's incompatible
 about booting from an extended partition?
 
   I have lost it.  In as much as I really do not wish to mislead anyone
   then by misinformation are you talking about my assertions with respect
   to the BIOS design (and indeed design evolution) upon the overall
   filesystem design, or rather my (admitted) failure to even mention that
   there are new BIOS designs that do not themselves impose this scheme, or
   both?
 
   Your misinformation was that:
 
  - BIOS imposes the current partitioning scheme opon us, and limits the
 number of primary partitions to four (not true - BIOS knows nothing
 about partitions and doesn't care either).

It does have the 1024 cylinders problem though.

  - DOS, Windows and OS/2 don't see other primary partitions than the one
 they booted from (not true - DOS and Windows see other primary DOS
 partitions just fine, and OS/2 won't even boot when they are present and
 not hidden).

As I understand it, (at least with DOS/windows/OS2), you can only see one
primary partition _per disk_. This was also what various HOWTO's seemed to
say.

The fact that windows (95 and NT) cannot use partitions properly - they
*require* that they are on the first primary partition on a disk - means
that partitioning is _alot_ of hard work (trust me - I've spent a week
reinstalling things and messing around).

One feature I look for in a design is easy modification in the future (which
is normally always needed for one reason or another). Most things designed
by MS or to do with an IBM-PC are not. This ain't a flame - it's just fact:
  - BIOS date problems - compared with Unix which will eventually hit a
problem 60 years after it's birth)
  - IRQ cascading
  - only now going 32-bit (cf Mac/Atari/Amiga - 32/16bit since introduction)
  - FAT filesystem
  - VFAT (and even NTFS IIRC) - upper/lower case confusion
  - allowing spaces in filename - *completely* *braindead*

Umm... all unix (even xenix) allow spaces in filenames... that's not
a bug, it's a feature.

  

The PC wasn't badly designed - it just wasn't designed.

Adrian

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Re: dselect

1997-12-12 Thread G John Lapeyre
On Fri, 12 Dec 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Does anyone know how to install packages with dselect, via floppy
 disks?  I know I have to include the packages themselves, .dep files,
 right?  But I think I need to add soemthing else cause I get some
 errors, I need to add like a packages header or something, any ideas? 
That info is also inside the .deb package.  If its just a few
packages, I use dpkg
Put deb file on hard drive, cd to same directory, then

   dpkg -i pkgname.deb

This installs and extracts the info and changes the files recording the
state of packages ( this is in /var/lib/dpkg )  It won't install if there
are dependency,etc. problems. Sometimes you need to install something
else first. 


 Also does anyone know of a online manual that explains installing new
 packages, binary and source to debian?

man dpkg  , man dselect.

dpkg --help .

Try some of the things listed in the dpkg --help, just to see what
happens. Eg

dpkg -l libc5

lists status of package libc5 

After an install, I never use dselect again, I find it too difficult.
dpkg is easier.


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Re: dselect

1997-12-12 Thread G John Lapeyre
On 12 Dec 1997, Sten Anderson wrote:

 Dale Scheetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  On Fri, 12 Dec 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Does anyone know how to install packages with dselect, via floppy
   disks?  I know I have to include the packages themselves, .dep files,
   right?  But I think I need to add soemthing else cause I get some
   errors, I need to add like a packages header or something, any ideas? 
  
  The first floppy must contain a Packages file, but you really don't want
  to do it this way. If you must add packages to your system via floppy
  disk, use dpkg and install them one at a time.
 
 Strictly speaking, dselect doesn't need a Packages file.  dselect can
 get this information by scanning a directory with packages, if a
 Packages file is unavailable.  If your get your distribution from
 floppies, it is most likely incomplete (that would require a lot of
 floppies), thus the Packages file from the distribution does not
 coreespond to the packages you have.  I recommend that you first copy
 all your packages to a directory on the harddisk, and then let dselect 
 scan this directory. 

This is true, it can read all the .debs for the info. But I
remember once having problems getting that to  work.  Probably just me ,
but it was confusing.  Deity is supposed to fix things. I have half a
perl/tk hack to make things easier, also there are a couple of other
things , someone put a  python/tk tool in experimental a couple of months
back. Havent checked it out though.
If its one or two packages, just use dpkg.


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Re: cfdisk partion errors

1997-12-12 Thread G John Lapeyre

I had some problems like this, where fdisk and cfdisk could no longer deal
with my disk. I posted somewhere and this wonderful fellow

A. E. Brouwer ([EMAIL PROTECTED])


answered.  He wrote fdisk3 .  Some times it can read broken tables , get
the good info and spit out a clean one.  It worked like a charm for me.
I don't know if there is a debian package.  I can't remeber where to get
it.  Probably takes 20 second web search or just go to sunsite.

On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, Lawrence wrote:

 butch wrote:
  
  hi,
  
  i seem to have a problem that came about from using cfdisk. are there any
  ways to correct or edit partition errors?
  
  allan
 
 Few months ago, I tried using cfdisk to set the linux partition (2GB),
 and both linux and msdos fdisk denied to run and I have to low-level
 format my SCSI HD to rectify the problem.
 

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Re: newbie questions...Help!

1997-12-12 Thread G John Lapeyre
On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, Rick wrote:

 Hi,
 I have just installed Debian on a partition of my HD (and a swap partition)
 everything seems to be going well, i log on and get a $, what next?
 
 I have a Mistsumi CD rom drive, but cannot get the drivers select page to
 recognise it, how do i find the interupts, irq thingys out?
 
 what packages should i get to start me off, how (after downloading them
 with win95) do i get the files on a debian readable floppy, and after that
 how do i install, use them?

I  don't understand, if you installed already , didn't you select
a bunch of packges ?

 whats this x windows thing, and how do i get, install, use it?

Via dselect.  It can sometimes be problematic , sometimes smooth.

see many docs at  www.debian.org . Be patient looking.

Also do

cd /usr/doc

Then pick a directory (HOWTO is a good one) cd to it and use

less filename

to read a file.

See the linux documentation project on the debian web page.  I
think the users guide starts with 'ls' , etc.


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Re: I can't get the screen back the way it was!

1997-12-12 Thread G John Lapeyre
My students were messing around with my classroom computer, and now I 
have stuff all over the place.  I can't get everything back in proper 
order.  What do I do?
 
 Some more details would be helpful.  As is, your question is very
 vague and it's hard to offer any suggestions.  For instance, what
 window manager are you using?  What exactly is not in place?

I smell Microsoft here.

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Re: Motherboard with Adaptec 2940

1997-12-12 Thread Ben Gertzfield
 Jimmy == Jimmy Lu [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Jimmy Hi All, I am thinking to buy a motherboard with SCSI
Jimmy controller.  A local newspaper advertised Iwill motherboard
Jimmy with Adaptec 2940U Ultra SCSI controller.  Does Debian
Jimmy support such motherboard?  The manufacturer has a web site
Jimmy @ http://www.iwill.com.tw I appreciate it if someone could
Jimmy tell me pros and cons after used the board.  Thanks in
Jimmy advance.  Jimmy Lu

I have this board, and use it with my K6/200 processor.

I have very few complaints, but I did have to go to iwill's web site
and upgrade the BIOS on the motherboard before Linux would even boot :)

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Re: mail delivery error message

1997-12-12 Thread Brandon Mitchell
It's Bill Leach [EMAIL PROTECTED].  He's been having problems with
fetchmail/exim/procmail.  He's aware of the problem and I think he's going
to go to sendmail soon.

Brandon

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Re: Several Q's

1997-12-12 Thread Oliver Elphick
Matthew Majka wrote:
  I'd like to thank everyone who answered my request for
  information.  The fix was easy; hold down button 1 during
  boot and set the protocol to MouseSystems... and the
  documentation was on my system all along.  The more I use
  Linux, the more I am amazed at the quality...
  
  Maybe x86 HW isn't that bad after all...

It should be even better: you shouldn't have to hold that button down.  Use
ClearDTR and ClearRTS in the Pointer section of XF86Config.

(See `man 5 XF86Config' for full details.)

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clueless people on debian-user

1997-12-12 Thread bruce
 My students were messing around with my classroom computer, and now I 
 have stuff all over the place.  I can't get everything back in proper 
 order.  What do I do?

This is obviously a windows user. Because of postings like this,
and because of all the spam we are getting and all of the clueless
people who mail to our personal mailboxes, there has been a clamor
to shut down the news gateway and go to mailing-list-only distribution
of the Debian lists. To compound the problem the news gateway has
been stripping out the X-No-Archive header, and the operator is too busy
to fix it for now. Also, some web archives do not honor that header at all.

I think having our lists on news benefits us, and we can tolerate the spam
and the mis-directed mail. What do you think?

Bruce


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Re: clueless people on debian-user

1997-12-12 Thread G John Lapeyre
On 12 Dec 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  My students were messing around with my classroom computer, and now I 
  have stuff all over the place.  I can't get everything back in proper 
  order.  What do I do?
 
 This is obviously a windows user. Because of postings like this,

See my reply to the post as well !

 and because of all the spam we are getting and all of the clueless
 people who mail to our personal mailboxes, there has been a clamor
 to shut down the news gateway and go to mailing-list-only distribution
 of the Debian lists. To compound the problem the news gateway has
 been stripping out the X-No-Archive header, and the operator is too busy
 to fix it for now. Also, some web archives do not honor that header at all.
 
 I think having our lists on news benefits us, and we can tolerate the spam
 and the mis-directed mail. What do you think?
 
I don't see why people let a little spam get to them.  Its bad,
but its life.  About one out of 50 or 100 messages on debian-user is like
this.  Thats not much, and Im pretty fast with the 'D' key.  I think that
the benefits outweigh the costs.  I tend not to have an emotional reaction
to spam in my inbox, but again , for me its 50 to 1 or more legitimate
mail.
Question is how many debain users prefer to access the list via
usenet ?

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Re: clueless people on debian-user

1997-12-12 Thread Manos Papantoniou
personally I find the usenet more efficient since I don't have to
download the complete messages, just the headers

Manos

G John Lapeyre wrote:
 
 On 12 Dec 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   My students were messing around with my classroom computer, and now I
   have stuff all over the place.  I can't get everything back in proper
   order.  What do I do?
 
  This is obviously a windows user. Because of postings like this,
 
 See my reply to the post as well !
 
  and because of all the spam we are getting and all of the clueless
  people who mail to our personal mailboxes, there has been a clamor
  to shut down the news gateway and go to mailing-list-only distribution
  of the Debian lists. To compound the problem the news gateway has
  been stripping out the X-No-Archive header, and the operator is too busy
  to fix it for now. Also, some web archives do not honor that header at all.
 
  I think having our lists on news benefits us, and we can tolerate the spam
  and the mis-directed mail. What do you think?
 
 I don't see why people let a little spam get to them.  Its bad,
 but its life.  About one out of 50 or 100 messages on debian-user is like
 this.  Thats not much, and Im pretty fast with the 'D' key.  I think that
 the benefits outweigh the costs.  I tend not to have an emotional reaction
 to spam in my inbox, but again , for me its 50 to 1 or more legitimate
 mail.
 Question is how many debain users prefer to access the list via
 usenet ?
 
 G John Lapeyre [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Tucson,AZ http://www.physics.arizona.edu/~lapeyre
 
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Re: clueless people on debian-user

1997-12-12 Thread C.L. Daugaard
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I think having our lists on news benefits us, and we can tolerate the spam
 and the mis-directed mail. What do you think?
 

I agree.

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Re: clueless people on debian-user

1997-12-12 Thread Steve Kostecke
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (G John Lapeyre) writes:
   I don't see why people let a little spam get to them.  Its bad,
 but its life.  About one out of 50 or 100 messages on debian-user is like
It's not that difficult to set up procmail to catch most of the spam.
And we do have spamdb in hamm.

   Question is how many debain users prefer to access the list via
 usenet ?
I prefer to receive the lists by mail.

off-topic

I've recently started piping my incoming debian-user  debian-devel
messages through a non.mime sed filter before piping them to mail2news.
Based on the tests I've run on messages in my /var/spool/news/debian/*
directories this filter deletes all of the MIME cruft and appears to
leave the clear text intact.

You'll also note the I'm striping any existing Distribution: header.
I mark all incoming messages Distribution: local when they are gatewayed
to news.  This is so that they won't get reposted to the group.
Recently I found that some mailing list messages arrive with an
existing Distribution: header. Mail2news won't overwrite an existing
header.  Maybe I ought to report this as a bug...

Here's the filter
:
/^Distribution:/d
/=_NextPart_/,/=_NextPart_/d
/^Content-Type:.*$/d
/^Content-Transfer.*$/d
/charset=iso\-8859\-1/d
s/=$//
s/=20$//

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Re: clueless people on debian-user

1997-12-12 Thread Rick Macdonald
On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, C.L. Daugaard wrote:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  I think having our lists on news benefits us, and we can tolerate the spam
  and the mis-directed mail. What do you think?
  
 
 I agree.

I agree too.

...RickM...



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