[apt-get] No actualizar un paquete en un dist-upgrade
En concreto, mi versión personalizada del kernel-image. Sé hacerlo con el 'dselect', marcándolo con un '='. Pero no sé como hacerlo con el apt-get cuando hago un dist-upgrade. ¿Me podéis ayudar? Un saludo, en ese sueño colectivo que es Debian: Manuel. P.D. La actualización a potato, de p.m. Lo vengo haciendo desde la 1.3 y siempre sin problemas, con esta maravilla del apt. -- Usuario de Debian GNU/Linux, Potato. Registro 90705 en http://counter.li.org ICQ UIN: #63192058
Re: booteo directo
Robert-Ito wrote: Pero cuando termine de instalarlo me cambio el LILO por otro perteneciente a BEOS que me resulta mucha mas simpatico e intuitivo (muy parecido a BOOT Magic, pero integrado al Sistema Operativo) por lo que quiero volver a usar el LINUX pero no puedo por que le cambie el boot sector y se queda sin poder acceder al rigido, y ya me canse de tener que bootear a diskete. Modifica el /etc/lilo.conf: boot=/dev/hda3 O la partición donde tengas instalado linux. -- * De simio la conoci y he visto hombres que la añoran. * En lo que a mi se refiere, ni entonces ni ahora * perdi mi libertad. Informe para una academia. Franz Kafka
Re: programa tipo fetchamil
El viernes 09 de junio de 2000 a la(s) 12:46:30 -0500, Mauricio E Ruiz Font contaba: Hola, necesito sabes si hay programas bajo windows y linux que hagan lo que el fethcmail, pero que puedan bajar correo de web, como de las cuentas de hotmail etc... Hay uno en freshmeat que se baja el de hotmail. Su nombre está entre getmail y gotmail, pero creo que es el segundo. Está hecho en perl así que con suerte funcionaría también bajo la kk. -- Just do it. David Serrano [EMAIL PROTECTED]Linux 2.2.15 - Reg. User #87069 Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! pgp974FyLvio8.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [apt-get] No actualizar un paquete en un dist-upgrade
Cuando: sáb, 10 de jun de 2000, a las 02:35:19 +0200 Quien: Manuel Jiménez Que: [apt-get] No actualizar un paquete en un dist-upgrade En concreto, mi versión personalizada del kernel-image. Sé hacerlo con el 'dselect', marcándolo con un '='. Pero no sé como hacerlo con el apt-get cuando hago un dist-upgrade. ¿Me podéis ayudar? Un saludo, en ese sueño colectivo que es Debian: Manuel. Dos formas: echo tu_kernel-image hold | dpkg --set-selections o cuando hagas el make-kpkg, usa epochs: make-kpkg --revision=3:custom.1.0 kernel_image Lo tienes explicado en /usr/share/doc/kernel-package P.D. La actualización a potato, de p.m. Lo vengo haciendo desde la 1.3 y siempre sin problemas, con esta maravilla del apt. ¿Verdad? Yo no me canso de dar la vara en ecol.* acerca del apt. -- Benjamín Albiñana Pérez Linux User Nº78177 Clave pública: wget http://personal1.iddeo.es/benalb/benjamin-gpg.asc La velocidad del tiempo es de un segundo por segundo. pgpbo22P84ZAA.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian diz nao ao software nao livre. (fwd)
Naum gostei da ideia, a ideologia eh bonita mas acredito que, como distribuicao o Debian falha em naum dar a opcao a seus usuarios de usar programas semi-proprietarios Como a Debian eh uma distribuicao sem fins lucrativos, nao existe motivo para incluir software proprietario. Quem gosta de netscape, staroffice e outros, eh soh pegar o pacote em tar.gz e incluir, assim como eu fiz. Veja que eu nao discrimino o uso de software nao livre, apenas acho correto nao incluir na distribuicao. []'s +--+---+-+ | Helio Alexandre Lopes Loureiro |[EMAIL PROTECTED]| Powered | | http://www.lcmi.ufsc.br/~helio | http://www.engnux.ufsc.br | by| | http://www.engnux.ufsc.br/~helio | http://www.aikido.ufsc.br | FreeBSD | +--+---+-+ Just a reminder to all OpenBSD admin types that # rm -rf /usr/lib is not a very bright thing to do. I don't know which was more amazing, the things that kept running or the things that I couldn't start :-) Marco S Hyman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian diz nao ao software nao livre. (fwd)
Que será do diretório contrib que possue pacotes que dependem do non-free? Hélio, você está usando o Pine que está incluído como fonte na seção non-free. :) Use o mutt. ;) Quoting Helio Loureiro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Naum gostei da ideia, a ideologia eh bonita mas acredito que, como distribuicao o Debian falha em naum dar a opcao a seus usuarios de usar programas semi-proprietarios Como a Debian eh uma distribuicao sem fins lucrativos, nao existe motivo para incluir software proprietario. Quem gosta de netscape, staroffice e outros, eh soh pegar o pacote em tar.gz e incluir, assim como eu fiz. Veja que eu nao discrimino o uso de software nao livre, apenas acho correto nao incluir na distribuicao. []'s +--+---+-+ | Helio Alexandre Lopes Loureiro |[EMAIL PROTECTED]| Powered | | http://www.lcmi.ufsc.br/~helio | http://www.engnux.ufsc.br | by| | http://www.engnux.ufsc.br/~helio | http://www.aikido.ufsc.br | FreeBSD | +--+---+-+ Just a reminder to all OpenBSD admin types that # rm -rf /usr/lib is not a very bright thing to do. I don't know which was more amazing, the things that kept running or the things that I couldn't start :-) Marco S Hyman [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
purging X from debian installation
i'll wind up reformatting and reinstalling, i can tell. i'm trying to get xwindows stuff off the hard drive, and use only ncurses console/telnet/ssh interaction, and server software -- but when i try to zap the xlib6 packages (xlib6 and xlib6g) it wants to remove elvis, perlmagick/ libmagick and a few other non-X-dependent items: # apt-get --purge remove xlib6\* Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done The following extra packages will be installed: php3 php3-cgi php3-cgi-imap php3-imap The following packages will be REMOVED: dns-browse* dpsclient* elvis* eterm* gdk-imlib1* gs* gzilla* imagemagick* imlib1* libfnlib0* libforms0.88* libgtk1* libgtk1.1* libgtk1.2* libgtkxmhtml1* libmagick4g* libungif3g* libwraster1* mesag3* mesag3-widgets* mtools* perlmagick* php3-cgi-gd* php3-gd* t1lib1* tetex-bin* tk4.2* tk8.0* tk8.2* tkstep8.0* xaw3dg* xdaliclock* xkeycaps* xlib6* xlib6g* xloadimage* xmotd* xodo* xpdf* xpuzzles* xscreensaver* xscreensaver-gl* xterm* xview-clients* xviewg* 4 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 45 to remove and 41 not upgraded. Need to get 859kB of archives. After unpacking 51.4MB will be freed. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n Abort. [the 41 not upgraded is because i recently did 'apt-get update' but haven't gone ahead with 'apt-get upgrade' yet.] according to apt-cache show xlib6 The X libraries are the interface between X client programs and the hardware-oriented X servers, and consist of routines to read input from the keyboard and pointer, draw on the screen, etc., in an abstract manner that is independent of the particular characteristics of the hardware. perlmagick can be used as a backend to fabricating web graphics, and elvis works on console-type ncurses... apt-cache also says Depends: xfree86-common, libc6 (= 2.1.2) and dpkg -L xfree86-common reveals only /usr /usr/share /usr/share/doc /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/examples /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/examples/xsession /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/copyright /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/CHANGELOG.gz /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/CHANGELOG.R5.gz /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/changelog.Debian.gz /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/changelog.gz /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/README.Debian /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/README.Debian-upgrade /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/XFree86-FAQ.html /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/XFree86-FAQ.txt.gz /usr/share/man /usr/share/man/man5 /usr/share/man/man5/Xsession.5.gz /usr/share/man/man5/Xsession.options.5.gz /usr/share/doc-base /usr/share/doc-base/xfree86-faq /usr/X11R6 /usr/X11R6/bin /usr/X11R6/include /usr/X11R6/include/X11 /usr/X11R6/lib /usr/X11R6/lib/X11 /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/doc /usr/X11R6/man /usr/X11R6/man/man3 /usr/X11R6/man/man3/XStandards.3x.gz /usr/X11R6/man/man3/Xsecurity.3x.gz /usr/X11R6/man/man3/X.3x.gz /usr/X11R6/man/man3/XConsortium.3x.gz /usr/bin /usr/bin/X11 /usr/include /usr/include/X11 /usr/lib /usr/lib/X11 /etc /etc/X11 /etc/X11/Xresources /etc/X11/Xresources/xfree86-common /etc/X11/Xsession /etc/X11/Xsession.options so how do i zap X11 without zapping elvis or perlmagick? -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Their is five errers in this sentance.
Re: purging X from debian installation
I am having basically the same problem, except that I built XFree86 4.0 from source and I use that as my X server. Almost all packages built against the older X libraries work fine, but dselect keeps bugging me to install these packages. Is there a way to get it to stop bugging me once and for all, instead of having to override dselect's recommendations every time? w trillich wrote: i'll wind up reformatting and reinstalling, i can tell. i'm trying to get xwindows stuff off the hard drive, and use only ncurses console/telnet/ssh interaction, and server software -- but when i try to zap the xlib6 packages (xlib6 and xlib6g) it wants to remove elvis, perlmagick/ libmagick and a few other non-X-dependent items:
Re: Will Debian run on my system?
On Fri, Jun 09, 2000 at 05:15:58PM -0500, Matthew W. Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking at buying a used computer and want to install Debian on it. I've taken a serious liking to the following and would appreciate any comments on whether or not there will be any hardware problems with it. Many thanks! It all looks fine to me. The only thing that might give you trouble are the Soundblaster and TNT cards, tough i'm not sure. Probably someone more informed about newer graphics and sound cards will tell you. -- Eric Gillespie, Jr. * [EMAIL PROTECTED] With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. --RFC 1925 pgpaUGRrvDVCJ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Does Windows regenerate MBR by itself?
On Tue, Jun 06, 2000 at 06:47:48PM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote: On Tue, Jun 06, 2000 at 04:33:03PM -0400, Arcady Genkin wrote: I'm going over tomorrow to reinstall LILO for him. you should dd his kernel to a floppy, then use rdev to set the root device to is real root partition. then next time this happens he can just stick the floppy in and run /sbin/lilo just like normal, and everything will be everything again. How can I prevent something like this happening again? Something in the bios can be set to prevent things (viruses) from writing to the mbr. Reinstall LILO and then turn this on in the bios. Of course, it's a pain because you must rerun lilo for each kernel upgrade. You could install grub which doesn't need to be reinstalled for each kernel... I don't think doze can override the bios feature (what protection would it be otherwise). delete windows ;-) I second that. -- Ethan Benson http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/ -- Pat Mahoney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hobbes: Do you have an idea for your story yet? Calvin: No, I'm waiting for inspiration. You can't just turn on creativity like a faucet. You have to be in the right mood. Hobbes: What mood is that? Calvin: Last-minute panic. -- From Calvin and Hobbes by Bill Watterson
Re: new legacy Yamaha PCI module in 2.2.16 kernel won't link??
James D. Freels wrote: Alan Cox sent a message that it needed to be compiled as a module. This did correct the problem. Now I need the modules parameters to define the resources. What are they for this card? It's PCI,, you should not need to use any module parameters. Jeff -- Jeff Garzik | Liberty is always dangerous, but Building 1024| it is the safest thing we have. MandrakeSoft, Inc. | -- Harry Emerson Fosdick
Re: Will Debian run on my system?
:: On Fri, 9 Jun 2000 23:52:22 -0500, Eric Gillespie, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Fri, Jun 09, 2000 at 05:15:58PM -0500, Matthew W. Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking at buying a used computer and want to install Debian on it. I've taken a serious liking to the following and would appreciate any comments on whether or not there will be any hardware problems with it. Many thanks! It all looks fine to me. The only thing that might give you trouble are the Soundblaster and TNT cards, tough i'm not sure. Probably someone more informed about newer graphics and sound cards will tell you. Maybe ATA/66 is not supported for his motherboard? I'm not sure, but a few chipsets have partial support only, and sometimes no support. But I think this is being worked on (and pretty fast). I know some VIA chipsets are not supported (because they're buggy), and others are partially supported (because they're new). J. -- Jeronimo Pellegrini Institute of Computing - Unicamp - Brazil http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~jeronimo mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which baud?
On Fri, Jun 09, 2000 at 05:24:45PM +0100, David Wright wrote: Quoting Johann Spies ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): My the permissions for /dev/ups - /dev/ttyS2 are: crw-rw 1 root root 4, 66 Jun 4 13:54 /dev/ttyS2 $sudo stty -a /dev/ttyS2 bash: /dev/ttyS2: Permission denied You presumably need more restrictions on your ups. Try it as root (I'm not familiar with sudo). Running as root worked. I did not realise that my sudo permissions do not allow me to the group root. Thanks for your help. Johann. -- J.H. Spies, Hugenotestraat 29, Posbus 80, Franschhoek, 7690, South Africa Tel/Faks 021-876-2337 Sel/Cell 082 898 1528(Johann) 082 255 2388(Hester) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. John 5:24
How can I extract zless program from a deb pakage?
Hi all, I've install debian 2.1 just only base. So I can not run zless. How can I find which .deb contain the zless program? Many thanx, Geengun [1]+ Donefind / | grep alias /var/tmp/find.alias $ cat /var/tmp/find.alias /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_alias.so /usr/lib/apache/1.3/190mod_alias.info /usr/doc/bash/examples/functions/xalias.bash.gz /usr/doc/bash/examples/startup-files/Bash_aliases.gz /usr/doc/bash/examples/misc/alias-conv.sh.gz /usr/doc/bash/examples/misc/alias-conv.bash.gz /usr/share/locale/locale.alias /usr/share/gettext/intl/localealias.c /etc/modutils/aliases /etc/locale.alias /var/tmp/find.alias $ zless /usr/doc/bash/examples/startup-files/Bash_aliases.gz -- /usr/doc/bash/examples/startup-files/Bash_aliases.gz -- /usr/bin/zless: less: command not found $
INSTALLATION PROBLEMS
I GET THE MESSAGE AFTER AUTO BOOTING RAMDISK: COMPRESSED IMAGE FOUND AT BLOCK 0 HOW DO I FIX THIS PROBLEM ALSO I NEED TO ADD A LARGER HARD DRIVE TO MY SYSTEM THAT THE BIOS DOES NOT SUPPORT IT IS A SYSTEMSOFT BIOS AND THE HARDRIVE IS A 4645MB FUJITSU ATA DISKDRIVE ANY AND ALL INFORMATION WILL BE APPRECIATED PLEASE SEND BY EMAIL TO [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hothits.hypermart.net/loveisblind.ram
Re: INSTALLATION PROBLEMS
I GET THE MESSAGE AFTER AUTO BOOTING RAMDISK: COMPRESSED IMAGE FOUND AT BLOCK 0 HOW DO I FIX THIS PROBLEM ALSO I NEED TO ADD A LARGER HARD DRIVE TO MY SYSTEM THAT THE BIOS DOES NOT SUPPORT IT IS A SYSTEMSOFT BIOS AND THE HARDRIVE IS A 4645MB FUJITSU ATA DISKDRIVE ANY AND ALL INFORMATION WILL BE APPRECIATED PLEASE SEND BY EMAIL TO [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hothits.hypermart.net/loveisblind.ram -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null Hi, first and formost, please don't get stressed out so much. relax, all problems can be solved. anyway, I had a similar problem like that ...I thought that my cdrom drive went bad or something...it turned out to be my over-clocked cpu (pentium 166 running at 200 mhz). perhaps that is your problem too?. and your next question, what did you mean that your bios does not support it? were you able to use that hardrive before? in windows perhaps?
Re: 2.4test1 make zImage error
On 09 Jun 2000, Bolan Meek wrote: [snip] I don't think you're supposed to `make clean` after `make dep`: you'll be removing some of the work done by `make menuconfig` and `make dep`. I always go straight to `make zImage` or bzImage` after `make dep`. [snip] According to Welsh and Kaufman (Running Linux), 2nd edition, Step 3, after make dep is: If you have built a kernel from this source before, run `make clean' to clear out old object files and force a complete rebuild. I've always done this over a number of years, first on 2.0.x and now on 2.2.x series, and never had any problems. On the other hand, I once did `make proper' which I think is advised in the kernel README, or elsewhere, and that did screw things up. Anthony -- Anthony Campbell - running Linux Debian 2.1 (Windows-free zone) Book Reviews: http://www.pentelikon.freeserve.co.uk/bookreviews/ Skeptical articles: http://www.freethinker.uklinux.net/ To be forced by desire into any unwarrantable belief is a calamity. I.A. Richards
Gnome E-Mail-Client
Hey there, does anyone of you know of a good and recommendable E-Mail-client for GNOME ? I have tried several ones now but wasn't that satisfied yet ! Something in the vein of kMail...
Re: 2.2.15 kernel boot freezes at running ntpdate...
On Sat, 10 Jun 2000, Mark Phillips wrote: I was wrong. The problem was ntpdate. It was trying to poll the internet while not connected to it. The thing which is puzzling me is: why did the 2.0.36 boot fine and successfully get past ntpdate? You see, that is why I initially didn't believe the problem was with ntpdate. If the problem was that it was trying to poll the net while not connected to it, then this problem would have been the same for both kernels. The only thing I can think of is that with the older kernel, pcmcia stuff is broken, which means perhaps the networking stuff would behave slightly differently? It's a bit of a vague explanation --- anyone got some clearer ideas? In the 2.0.x kernels the routing table was not automagically set up. The part that is causing the 'problem' is the default route. This adds the line to your routing table that to speak to any IP address you talk to a certain machine, called a gateway. I actually began to notice this problem once I was setting up gateways on local networks. When the gateway is unavailable then you computer will constantly poll the non-existant gateway machine. Easiest thing to do is when you machine boots up and hangs at that point press 'q' which stops the ntpdate daemon looking around, or is it Ctrl-C (I never can remember, it is something *very* simple). P.S. It's not urgent as now the new kernel boots, but I'm just curious. I hope thats satisfied your hunger :) ta ra Alex -- ** ((__)) Alexander Jim diGriz Hubenko Clouter \\ ((oo)) \\--\\// e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || || |||||| ~~~~~~ equip : 300Mhz Celeron Laptop running Cow during an Debian Woody Linux Earthquake
Re: Gnome E-Mail-Client
Oliver Schoenknecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 10/06/2000 (12:06) : Hey there, does anyone of you know of a good and recommendable E-Mail-client for GNOME ? I have tried several ones now but wasn't that satisfied yet ! Something in the vein of kMail... Recommend Mutt (http://www.mutt.org), but if you _have_ to have a click-click-click interface you can look at spruce or balsa. You find them in the Gnome Software Map. -- Preben Randhol -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.pvv.org/~randhol/ Det eneste trygge stedet i verden er inne i en fortelling. -- Athol Fugard
Re: Fortifying netscape
On Fri, Jun 09, 2000 at 04:49:04PM -0500, Bolan Meek wrote: tell it: /usr/lib/netscape/472/communicator/communicator-smotif.real Thanks for the answer, but it is not working :( Fortify says: /usr/lib/netscape/472/communicator/communicator-smotif.real is not recognisable. It is either not a copy of Netscape, or it is a version of Netscape that is not listed in the Index file. I'm fairly ignorant here, but... what versions of Netscape are listed in the Index file, whatever that is? The following 4.7.2 versions of the x86-unkown version: 13287424 - a8fce78069b918ad2fec2d04a2400b07 comm 4.7 2 2 morphs-1.2 x86-unknown-freebsd - 10120440 - 3e6a141b808971733103e8cca3da01ba comm 4.7 2 2 morphs-1.2 x86-unknown-linux1.2 - 12124416 - 99389be40617418a030ffda6e142a285 comm 4.7 2 2 morphs-1.2 x86-unknown-linux2.0 - 9213888 - b538fb267c9db4ee17b5c64ad72ba962 comm 4.7 2 2 morphs-1.2-dyn x86-unknown-linux2.0 (dynMotif) 13873888 - 87d62c5e601de8b5669ec674d14fb3e7 comm 4.7 2 2 morphs-1.2 x86-unknown-linux2.0_glibc2 - 10756920 - b5e11d8b59ca0920805d27ac88581d7c comm 4.7 2 2 morphs-1.2-dyn x86-unknown-linux2.0_glibc2 (dynMotif) 13759860 - d741e4b91c0dcb5c1fa74a952dd6dc5c comm 4.7 2 2 morphs-1.2 x86-unknown-linux2.2 - 10564796 - 7d67287ebb716db5e05a9a8f45eb320f comm 4.7 2 2 morphs-1.2-dyn x86-unknown-linux2.2 (dynMotif) Johann -- J.H. Spies, Hugenotestraat 29, Posbus 80, Franschhoek, 7690, South Africa Tel/Faks 021-876-2337 Sel/Cell 082 898 1528(Johann) 082 255 2388(Hester) I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me. Proverbs 8:17
Re: Fortifying netscape
On Fri, Jun 09, 2000 at 02:32:17PM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote: what version of fortify? the debian packages for fortify are broken, i had to download the most recent version myself, which worked on 4.72. 4.73 is and never will be supported. Fortify-1.4.5-unix-x86 I don't know whether it is the latest, but will check. Johann. -- J.H. Spies, Hugenotestraat 29, Posbus 80, Franschhoek, 7690, South Africa Tel/Faks 021-876-2337 Sel/Cell 082 898 1528(Johann) 082 255 2388(Hester) I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me. Proverbs 8:17
Re: Fortifying netscape(solved)
Thank you for all the help. I solved the problem by installing the latest fortify package from woody and it did the job. Johann -- J.H. Spies, Hugenotestraat 29, Posbus 80, Franschhoek, 7690, South Africa Tel/Faks 021-876-2337 Sel/Cell 082 898 1528(Johann) 082 255 2388(Hester) I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me. Proverbs 8:17
Memory Problem
Hello Ralph, Ok, first the preferred language in this list is English, not German. Ok, I will do so. Altho his machine has 128 megs of RAM, he can only see 64 megs. The solution is to include the following command in your lilo.conf and re- run lilo: append=mem=128M (note the capital M!) I did. I wrote it under Image . But when I reboot the maschine, it tells me a lot of sequentation faults. Must I write it to a specific position in the LILO.CONF ? I use Debian with Kernel 2.2.15 Thanks and Greating to Oche.de Thomas Wild
Re: purging X from debian installation
On Fri, Jun 09, 2000 at 11:25:19PM -0500, w trillich wrote i'll wind up reformatting and reinstalling, i can tell. i'm trying to get xwindows stuff off the hard drive, and use only ncurses console/telnet/ssh interaction, and server software -- but when i try to zap the xlib6 packages (xlib6 and xlib6g) it wants to remove elvis, perlmagick/ libmagick and a few other non-X-dependent items: [snip] X is a thing of many parts (one reason why it's spread over so many packages), and while you may want to be rid of it, you may have to learn to live with parts of it if you want to keep these other packages. I wouldn't worry too much about xlib6g itself; programs that are linked against it will require it, but it only provides the ability to talk to Xservers and so on; it doesn't represent any particular weakness unless you're actually running them under X (or they think you are). If it's purely the space you're concerned about you could consider using nvi in place of elvis, but then you miss out on some of the fancy stuff (like X support) that you probably like about elvis. Of course, this won't help you much with perlmagick. John P. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mdt.net.au/~john Debian Linux admin support:technical services
General Resolution. Copied and Pasted Message from Developers Archive
The following is a message that I grabbed from the archives of developers' list, the ones with the power of vote about this or any other resolution. There are ideas here that are worth reading, so I decided to post it. Since it is in public domain, I hope Manoj doesn't mind. Antonio. %%% * %%*** %%% * Hi, So far, we have always packages ``All the packages fit to package''. The only criteria has been that we be legally allowed to package software, and that some one finds it useful enough to spend the effort packaging it. Indeed, when we could not distribute the binaries, we created sourece only packages, or installer packages. It was, IMHO, a judicious mix of free software evengelism, and one of creating the *BEST* distribution, with all the useful software we could package. I could almost always find any software available out there already packaged for debian. We were the inclusive distribution, and we showed our comitment to free software by only bundling free software on our CD's, and our commitment to useful distribution and our social contract by packaging and supporting the other software that did not meet our guidelines but was useful to our users. I like the fact we can cater to people who like free software (never put non-free in your apt sources), as well as to people who just want a useful distribution -- and we can, gently, try to win them over to free alternatives wehre such exist. We offer a choice, we do not impose. We evangelize, we do not force. Those who think this does not help Debian obviously have not really thought it through. This GR is disturbin. It throws away the promises made in the social contract. It is exclusionary. It reduces the utility of Debian to a number of users, and thus would marginalize us into a non entity. And it makes us committed to the free distribution, as opposed to the best free distribution. I am not convinced that this is a good idea. manoj -- As I was passing Project MAC, I met a Quux with seven hacks. Every hack had seven bugs; Every bug had seven manifestations; Every manifestation had seven symptoms. Symptoms, manifestations, bugs, and hacks, How many losses at Project MAC? Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C
Re: My quite ordinary comment about Re: GR to remove non-free...
servicom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, when talking about newbies - a lot will probably be coming from window$ so can't really survive unless they have a fancy graphical installer/package manager (like gnorpm). Hmm, gnome-apt? :) Usable, though it still needs a lot of improvement from what I can tell. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: General Resolution. Copied and Pasted Message from Developers Archive
Antonio Rodriguez wrote: The following is a message that I grabbed from the archives of developers' list, the ones with the power of vote about this or any other resolution. There are ideas here that are worth reading, so I decided to post it. Since it is in public domain, I hope Manoj doesn't mind. Antonio. %%% * %%*** %%% * Hi, So far, we have always packages ``All the packages fit to package''. The only criteria has been that we be legally allowed to package software, and that some one finds it useful enough to spend the effort packaging it. Indeed, when we could not distribute the binaries, we created sourece only packages, or installer packages. It was, IMHO, a judicious mix of free software evengelism, and one of creating the *BEST* distribution, with all the useful software we could package. I could almost always find any software available out there already packaged for debian. We were the inclusive distribution, and we showed our comitment to free software by only bundling free software on our CD's, and our commitment to useful distribution and our social contract by packaging and supporting the other software that did not meet our guidelines but was useful to our users. I like the fact we can cater to people who like free software (never put non-free in your apt sources), as well as to people who just want a useful distribution -- and we can, gently, try to win them over to free alternatives wehre such exist. We offer a choice, we do not impose. We evangelize, we do not force. Those who think this does not help Debian obviously have not really thought it through. This GR is disturbin. It throws away the promises made in the social contract. It is exclusionary. It reduces the utility of Debian to a number of users, and thus would marginalize us into a non entity. And it makes us committed to the free distribution, as opposed to the best free distribution. I am not convinced that this is a good idea. manoj -- As I was passing Project MAC, I met a Quux with seven hacks. Every hack had seven bugs; Every bug had seven manifestations; Every manifestation had seven symptoms. Symptoms, manifestations, bugs, and hacks, How many losses at Project MAC? Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null %%% %%another posting pasted from same list: %%% On Wed, Jun 07, 2000 at 10:31:21AM -0400, Branden Robinson wrote: A brave assertion. But then you have to think about this carefully-crafted document and wonder why it doesn't read like this: 5. We Will Support Programs That Don't Meet Our Free-Software Standards We will maintain contrib and non-free areas in our FTP archive for this software. We encourage CD manufacturers to read the licenses of software packages in these directories and determine if they can distribute that software on their CDs. We will support the use of non-free software in Debian, and we will provide infrastructure (such as our bug-tracking system and mailing lists) for non-free software packages. nice idea. i propose that we modify the Social Contract so that it does say that. Anyone willing to second this? So? Why doesn't it read like that? an oversight. it seemed self-evident and obvious at the time. craig -- craig sanders
Re: (no subject)
The first thing that comes to mind for me is to ask where on the hard drive is your linux partition and where is Windows. Keep in mind lilo has problems when your boot sector is past the 8 gig point. If you put the 5 gigs for linux first this may help. And personally I would advise splitting your Windows partition in twain. One for system (say 1.5 GB) and one for data (8.5). This way if you ever need to kill your system your data will be safe. I hope this will help you. Adam S Edgar On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, john mason wrote: To Whom It May Concern: I have a Western Digital 15.4GB harddrive and a 1.6 GB harddrive.There are in a pentium 100 system.I have been trying to install Linux Mandrake 7.0 Deluxe without any progress.My BIOS only supports up to a 8GB harddrive and I think that is promblem,but I am not sure.I cannot get a BIOS upgrade for my computer to overcome the 8 GB limitation.I used Disk Druid to format my partitions.I also have Windows98SE on the 15.4GB harddrive.I made a 10GB partition for Windows and left the other 5 GB alone for Linux.I used Western Digital EZBios to get pass my 8 GB limition.I also used the Western Digital Data Life Guard Tools to format my 15GB harddrive.When I used Disk Druid, I made one 4GB linux native partition and a 1 GB swap partition.Then it starts to scan the packages.I choose to install everything.After that it tries to installs but come up with and error message that say mount failed;error mounting.I have no idea whats wrong.I defragged my harddrive before I started to install it.Becuase I could not get Linux Mandrake 7.0 Deluxe to install on my 15.4GB harddrive, I installed it on my 1.6GB harddrive without any promblems.That why that I came to the conclusion that it was my BIOS limation.However I do not know for sure and would like any help or advice that could help me out wiht my situation.I would be most appreciative of any help I could get. Thank You, John Mason -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
esound (woody) broken?
Hi. Did anyone have problems with esound in woody? I just installed a Creative Ensoniq PCI sound card, and it works well, except that when I try to use esound. It plays one second, and then repeats that over and over (until I kill esd)... I saw no bug filed against esound, and nothing in the docs, so I thought I could be doing something wrong. I also tried to install alsa, but dselect refuses to do that without removing a lot of other packages (even when I included libes-alsa). I also tried to force it (with Q), but it still wanted to remove the packages when I'd install... Strange. So... Did anyone else have this problem? J. -- Jeronimo Pellegrini Institute of Computing - Unicamp - Brazil http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~jeronimo mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: General Resolution. Copied and Pasted Message from Developers Archive
I guess we have all been stewing over this. One unintended result may be that Debian will look as though it is strong-arming people in non-free to accept the GNU-idea of free software. That is, Change to our licensing agreement or we will dump you from the Debian site. It must be understood that, whether intended or not, Debian is a huge presence in the Linux community. It is influential and it should be respectful of its influence in ways that, say Microsoft, is not of theirs. Arthur H. Edwards 712 Valencia Dr. NE Abq. NM 87108 (505) 256-0834 On Sat, 10 Jun 2000, Antonio Rodriguez wrote: The following is a message that I grabbed from the archives of developers' list, the ones with the power of vote about this or any other resolution. There are ideas here that are worth reading, so I decided to post it. Since it is in public domain, I hope Manoj doesn't mind. Antonio. %%% * %%*** %%% * Hi, So far, we have always packages ``All the packages fit to package''. The only criteria has been that we be legally allowed to package software, and that some one finds it useful enough to spend the effort packaging it. Indeed, when we could not distribute the binaries, we created sourece only packages, or installer packages. It was, IMHO, a judicious mix of free software evengelism, and one of creating the *BEST* distribution, with all the useful software we could package. I could almost always find any software available out there already packaged for debian. We were the inclusive distribution, and we showed our comitment to free software by only bundling free software on our CD's, and our commitment to useful distribution and our social contract by packaging and supporting the other software that did not meet our guidelines but was useful to our users. I like the fact we can cater to people who like free software (never put non-free in your apt sources), as well as to people who just want a useful distribution -- and we can, gently, try to win them over to free alternatives wehre such exist. We offer a choice, we do not impose. We evangelize, we do not force. Those who think this does not help Debian obviously have not really thought it through. This GR is disturbin. It throws away the promises made in the social contract. It is exclusionary. It reduces the utility of Debian to a number of users, and thus would marginalize us into a non entity. And it makes us committed to the free distribution, as opposed to the best free distribution. I am not convinced that this is a good idea. manoj -- As I was passing Project MAC, I met a Quux with seven hacks. Every hack had seven bugs; Every bug had seven manifestations; Every manifestation had seven symptoms. Symptoms, manifestations, bugs, and hacks, How many losses at Project MAC? Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Fortifying netscape
On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 12:36:17PM +0200, Johann Spies wrote: On Fri, Jun 09, 2000 at 02:32:17PM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote: what version of fortify? the debian packages for fortify are broken, i had to download the most recent version myself, which worked on 4.72. 4.73 is and never will be supported. Fortify-1.4.5-unix-x86 I don't know whether it is the latest, but will check. its not, i had to use 1.4.6. -- Ethan Benson http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/ pgpTBxVUn2DTL.pgp Description: PGP signature
Debian i386 mirror
Hi all, I'm planning to make a mirror of debian i-386 (slink, potato, woody) at my lab and want to know to measure how big it will be and if someone could me provide an rsync line or mirror config file for this. Thanks, Paulo Henrique
Re: Memory Problem
Hello Ralph, Ok, first the preferred language in this list is English, not German. Ok, I will do so. Altho his machine has 128 megs of RAM, he can only see 64 megs. The solution is to include the following command in your lilo.conf and re- run lilo: append=mem=128M (note the capital M!) I did. I wrote it under Image . But when I reboot the maschine, it tells me a lot of sequentation faults. Are you sure that you've got 64MB in your computer. And or that your hardware and bios recognise them. For instance do you see the memory test running up to 128MB. In general I think that all new bios kernel combinations will find the correct amount of memory on their own. If you specify more memory with the append than you've actually got, you most likely get the errors you get. Jo Must I write it to a specific position in the LILO.CONF ? I use Debian with Kernel 2.2.15 Thanks and Greating to Oche.de Thomas Wild -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: General Resolution. Copied and Pasted Message from Developers Archive
Antonio Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The following is a message that I grabbed from the archives of developers' list, the ones with the power of vote about this or any other resolution. There are ideas here that are worth reading, so I decided to post it. Since it is in public domain, I hope Manoj doesn't mind. It might be worth saying that posts to mailing lists (and newsgroups) are actually copyrighted by the poster, rather than public domain, although certain rights of distribution are understood. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: General Resolution. Copied and Pasted Message from Developers Archive
In reality we are right to be worried, since these two messages are only one side of the opinions. There is the other side also. That is, my intention was to show that there is a heated discussion going on, and that there are two sides. Some times it gets even personal, which is not good. I am not a developer, nor I am subscribed to that list, I took the messages from the public archives. Arthur H. Edwards wrote: I guess we have all been stewing over this. One unintended result may be that Debian will look as though it is strong-arming people in non-free to accept the GNU-idea of free software. That is, Change to our licensing agreement or we will dump you from the Debian site. It must be understood that, whether intended or not, Debian is a huge presence in the Linux community. It is influential and it should be respectful of its influence in ways that, say Microsoft, is not of theirs. Arthur H. Edwards 712 Valencia Dr. NE Abq. NM 87108 (505) 256-0834 On Sat, 10 Jun 2000, Antonio Rodriguez wrote: The following is a message that I grabbed from the archives of developers' list, the ones with the power of vote about this or any other resolution. There are ideas here that are worth reading, so I decided to post it. Since it is in public domain, I hope Manoj doesn't mind. Antonio. %%% * %%*** %%% * Hi, So far, we have always packages ``All the packages fit to package''. The only criteria has been that we be legally allowed to package software, and that some one finds it useful enough to spend the effort packaging it. Indeed, when we could not distribute the binaries, we created sourece only packages, or installer packages. It was, IMHO, a judicious mix of free software evengelism, and one of creating the *BEST* distribution, with all the useful software we could package. I could almost always find any software available out there already packaged for debian. We were the inclusive distribution, and we showed our comitment to free software by only bundling free software on our CD's, and our commitment to useful distribution and our social contract by packaging and supporting the other software that did not meet our guidelines but was useful to our users. I like the fact we can cater to people who like free software (never put non-free in your apt sources), as well as to people who just want a useful distribution -- and we can, gently, try to win them over to free alternatives wehre such exist. We offer a choice, we do not impose. We evangelize, we do not force. Those who think this does not help Debian obviously have not really thought it through. This GR is disturbin. It throws away the promises made in the social contract. It is exclusionary. It reduces the utility of Debian to a number of users, and thus would marginalize us into a non entity. And it makes us committed to the free distribution, as opposed to the best free distribution. I am not convinced that this is a good idea. manoj -- As I was passing Project MAC, I met a Quux with seven hacks. Every hack had seven bugs; Every bug had seven manifestations; Every manifestation had seven symptoms. Symptoms, manifestations, bugs, and hacks, How many losses at Project MAC? Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/ 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Memory Problem
Thomas Wild said: Altho his machine has 128 megs of RAM, he can only see 64 megs. The solution is to include the following command in your lilo.conf and re- run lilo: append=mem=128M (note the capital M!) I did. I wrote it under Image . But when I reboot the maschine, it tells me a lot of sequentation faults. Some BIOSes like to use the uppermost portion of RAM for their own purposes, so when you use a mem= argument to LILO, you should specify 1 MB less than is actually present. Try append=mem=127M instead and see if that works. -- Two words: Windows survives. - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin. - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d- s+: a- C++ UL++$ P L++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- !V PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv- b++ DI D G e* h+ r++ y+
Re: A BIOS that wants to know the OS I'm using?
On Fri, 09 Jun 2000, I. Tura wrote: My fancy new computer has a extra-cool-nice Phoenix BIOS 4.0 Rev 6, and when you enter into it you have a quite interesting dialogue that says: OS: W98/2000 W95 Other Is there any explanation about the sense of this cool feature, or potential trouble for the near future Debian installation that I have to make there? Probably the same Plug and Play Aware OS crap some BIOSes ask, instead of what it should read (Init Plug and Play devices?). Any OS worth its salt I know of (hint: not Windows) requires this to be YES (i.e.: plug and play aware OS = NO), after all initing plug and play devices is supposed to be a BIOS task... especially if you need the plug and play devices correctly initialized to coldboot the machine. Other OSes (hint: Windows) want it set to NO. -- One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie. -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh
no ppp after update potato
Hello again guys, I've been away from this group for a while, sorry if this problem was posted before. I just did a potato update on my notebook and afterwards I couldn't connect to my ISP with pon/poff. pppconfig doesn't recognize my cardmodem anymore which used to be /dev/ttyS1. I reinstalled pcmcia support, but to no avail. I noticed setserial was updated, so what's up with that? Or is it something else? Please help because without my modem I can't install new software. Thanks, Hans
Re: PCI BIOS has not enabled the device at ...
I had problems with my Linksys tulip card, having a similar error, only in my case the tulip driver told me that my card was on irq 0... do you run windows on your system as well? if so, were you in windows prior to booting into linux? and did you do a soft reset to get there? Windows screws with PCI cards, especially network cards, and linux doesn't like that very much... my problem went away after i started resetting by poweroff to clear ram and my system configuration... if i just went into linux after being in windows i didn't get my card. cold booting allowed it to find my card just fine. maybe that could be your problem. hth. -- Curtis Hogg Email 1 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Email 2 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW - http://www.cyberhighway.net/~buckmins -- Irrationality is the square root of all evil -- Douglas Hofstadter -- On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Jordan Howarth wrote: Suddenly I am not able to get network access through my ethernet card and this error ( PCI BIOS has not enabled ... ) in dmesg seems to point to the problem as it comes just prior to the ethernet card being identified. --\-- ... PPP line discipline registered. The PCI BIOS has not enabled the device at 0/48! Updating PCI command 0013-0017. tulip.c:v0.91 4/14/99 [EMAIL PROTECTED] eth0: Digital DS21143 Tulip rev 65 at 0xfc00, 00:00)4C:ED:C0:DE, IRQ 10 eth0: EEPROM default media type Autosense. eth0: Index #0 - Media 10BaseT (#0) described by a 21142 Serial PHY (2) block. eth0: Index #1 - Media 10BaseT-FD (#4) described by a 21142 Serial PHY (2) block. eth0: Index #2 - Media 100BaseTx (#3) described by a 21143 SYM PHY (4) block. eth0: Index #3 - Media 100BaseTx-FD (#5) described by a 21142 SYM PHY (4) block. ... --\-- Does anybody know what this might mean ? I have been playing with bits and pieces so I may have changed something I was not supposed to, ie. the ethernet card was working before. I am using the new tulip driver not the one packed with the Debian - running potato with 2.2.12 on an NEC Versa Note Thanks, J.
enexpected EOF problem
Although I have only used vi to edit a file, I keep getting this when I execute it: /etc/iptables.sh: line 247: syntax error: unexpected end of file I don't see anything there that could be causing the problem. Is there a way to see and remove whatever character is doing this? thanks -- Andrew
Re: esound (woody) broken?
Jeronimo Pellegrini wrote: Hi. Did anyone have problems with esound in woody? I just installed a Creative Ensoniq PCI sound card, and it works well, except that when I try to use esound. It plays one second, and then repeats that over and over (until I kill esd)... I saw no bug filed against esound, and nothing in the docs, so I thought I could be doing something wrong. I also tried to install alsa, but dselect refuses to do that without removing a lot of other packages (even when I included libes-alsa). I also tried to force it (with Q), but it still wanted to remove the packages when I'd install... Strange. So... Did anyone else have this problem? As already postet twice, I have problems with sound after installing potato. I'm using just the same sound card. (Creative PCI 128-Ensoniq 1371) Whenever I use gnome or sawfish with sound-support everything on my X-server freezes while I play mp3s. I still didn't found any solution Cheers, Dietmar
Finish: Re: Memory Problem
Thanks for yours help. I tested an other RAM and it works. So it seems, that the RAM-Module is defect. Shit happens ! Mit freundlichen Gruessen Thomas Wild | InTeCoFix GbR Kirchhofstrasse 107 Technischer Support: 42327 Wuppertal Phone: +49 (0) 202 - 74 89 301 Phone: +49 (0) 202 - 74 89 304 Fax: +49 (0) 202 - 74 89 302Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://internetfix.de http://onlinefix.de
Re: Gnome E-Mail-Client
On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 12:05:07PM +0200, Oliver Schoenknecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: does anyone of you know of a good and recommendable E-Mail-client for GNOME ? I have tried several ones now but wasn't that satisfied yet ! Something in the vein of kMail... http://www.cscmail.net/ -- Eric Gillespie, Jr. * [EMAIL PROTECTED] With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. --RFC 1925 pgpsNTMQIi2KP.pgp Description: PGP signature
starting a script at boot time?
Good Morning Group, I want to have a firewall script I made to start automatically after booting. The file has permission 755 and is in my /etc/init.d folder. What will I need to do to make this script start and run at bootup?
Re: enexpected EOF problem
On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 03:53:31PM +, Pollywog wrote: Although I have only used vi to edit a file, I keep getting this when I execute it: /etc/iptables.sh: line 247: syntax error: unexpected end of file Some pieces of software expect a linefeed on the last line and break if there isn't one there. That might be what's happening, usually safest to always make sure you have a blank line at the end of the file. If that's not the problem then you could start vi with the -b option, that should show any non-printable characters in the file (I think). Cheers, Tom -- Class, that's the only thing that counts in life. Class. Without class and style, a man's a bum; he might as well be dead. -- Bugsy Siegel pgpc1TyUYRbO9.pgp Description: PGP signature
Linux on Compaq Armada 7750
Has anyone tried to install Linux on an Armada 7750. Everytime that I try any Linux (SuSE 6.4, Mandrake, Red Hat, Corel, Debian), it always hangs on trying to initialize the PCMCIA. The only way that I have been able to get a working install is to not use PCMCIA, but that leaves out my PCMCIA NIC from being used. Please help with anything Tony
Re: starting a script at boot time?
man update-rc.d On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 09:54:06AM -0700, Jay Kelly wrote: Good Morning Group, I want to have a firewall script I made to start automatically after booting. The file has permission 755 and is in my /etc/init.d folder. What will I need to do to make this script start and run at bootup? -- Bob Nielsen, N7XY (RN2) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bainbridge Island, WA http://www.oz.net/~nielsen
Hi i i need help plz
Hi the problem is with my keyboard for some funny reason my backspace does not work when i am the user root , but when i am another user i have no problems. This is all when I run X. You assistanst would be greatly appreciated Brent Clark p.s. Please bare in mind that im not running server or anything , i'st just me
boot disk
Hi I've just recieved an older IBM (pentium 133), which I would like to install Debian on. The problem is that there is no cdrom on it, so I try to create a bootdisk, so I boot the computer and hopefully install it from my local mirror of ftp.debian.org. I've tried to create the disk with mkboot and by copying the different files from the /disks-i386/current directory to a floppy, but every time it comes to booting linux/lilo. Any help would be appricated. Allan Andersen
diald and development kernels
Has anyone else noticed that Diald does not seem to work with kernel 2.3.99-pre9, or is it just me? -- Andrew
Re: Hi i i need help plz
It sounds like a keyboard mapping problem, possibly stemming from user option files that either exist in the home directories of individual users. For example your root profile may have a file called .xinitrc that changes your mapping and normal user don't have this. Look in /root and a normal home directory for this and check for differences. if these files are the same then send a copy of /etc/X11/XF86Config to the list. On Fri, 10 Jun 2011, Brent wrote: Hi the problem is with my keyboard for some funny reason my backspace does not work when i am the user root , but when i am another user i have no problems. This is all when I run X. You assistanst would be greatly appreciated Brent Clark p.s. Please bare in mind that im not running server or anything , i'st just me -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: esound (woody) broken?
:: On Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:04:17 +0200, Dietmar [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: As already postet twice, I have problems with sound after installing potato. I'm using just the same sound card. (Creative PCI 128-Ensoniq 1371) Whenever I use gnome or sawfish with sound-support everything on my X-server freezes while I play mp3s. I still didn't found any solution Oh, well... I can play mp3s here. What are you using to play them? In xmms, try chosing the OSS driver instead of esound. The only thing that's not working here is esound. BTW, I'm running woody. J. -- Jeronimo Pellegrini Institute of Computing - Unicamp - Brazil http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~jeronimo mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: enexpected EOF problem
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] , Pollywog [EMAIL PROTECTED] was rumoured to have said about `` enexpected EOF problem '': Although I have only used vi to edit a file, I keep getting this when I execute it: /etc/iptables.sh: line 247: syntax error: unexpected end of file I don't see anything there that could be causing the problem. Is there a way to see and remove whatever character is doing this? Sounds like a missing keyword (fi? done?). Look harder :) thanks -- Andrew
Road Runner DNS Problems
I'm having some problems with my Road Runner Cable modem and getting the DNS to properly work. Hopefully, someone can help me get this straight. Here is my current setup: internet | | debian-wall (Firewall box) | | Hub---(debian-server - DNS server for the network) | | (Multiple PC's) The problem I'm having is that I'm unable to access pop/smtp/nntp servers that Road runner provides from anywhere on my network except debian-wall. Road Runner is using dhcp to assign me the ip-addr and I have that working. I also have ipmasq working so all of my networked machines can get in and out to the internet. I did directly connect my windows box to the cable modem and looked at the dhcp address. I then added what it said where the dns servers to the named.conf file on debian-server, but still no help. Can someone help me resolve this problem? I've come up with a couple possible solutions: 1. Run DNS on debian-wall. This is possible, but I really don't want any extranous programs running on that box to help prevent holes as I setup my firewall. 2. Get debian-wall to update the dns on debian-server. I have no idea if this is even possible, much less how to implement it. Other/better ideas? Thanks for any and all help, Chris Hoover [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Road Runner DNS Problems
On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 02:56:07PM -0500, Chris Hoover wrote: internet | | debian-wall (Firewall box) | | Hub---(debian-server - DNS server for the network) | | (Multiple PC's) You have 'debian-wall' set as the default gw route for every machine, and you have 'debian-server' listed as the first nameserver in every /etc/resolv.conf? Yes? Then does 'nslookup' appear to working correctly on 'debian-server'? I did directly connect my windows box to the cable modem and looked at the dhcp address. I then added what it said where the dns servers to the named.conf file on debian-server, but still no help. What do you mean? You added forwarders to named.conf? Be aware that for such as pop and smtp hosts you should use FQDN's; stuff like mail and news might not work. -- Bob Bernstein at http://www.ruptured-duck.com Esmond, R.I., USA
library problems running Apache
I'm running Debian 2.1 and am trying to install the latest secure version of Apache 1.3.9. It actually installed fine, it's just not starting. When I attempt to start the server, it says it can't open libm.so.5. I'm pretty new to Linux and had no idea how or where to find the library package that contained that library. When I get that kind of error where it's looking for a certain library, how do I go about finding out what .deb package will instgall it? I searched Debian's site for a description of what packages provided, but had no luck. I finally found a .deb file called libc5_5.46-3.deb that actually installed this file on my system. However, when I tried to run Apache, it gave me another error: line 171: 1215 Segmentation fault$HTTD I then chucked the idea of installing the secure version of Apache and installed the latest version, Apache 1.3.12. It installed fine, but once again, when I tried to start the Apache server and it generated a different error: error in loading shared libraries libdb.so.3. Cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. Where do I find the .deb package that will install libdb.so.3? I seem to be having a major problem with libraries and have no idea what package provides the libraries I need. I can't find a document that lists all the libraries that a certain package provides. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com
Sendmail not receiving mail
I just noticed that after the upgrade from slink to potato, sendmail is no longer receiving messages, or something to that extent - i can't send emails to the server. Sending from the server works fine. I imagine this problem could be due to a number of issues, but I thought i'd ask if anyone had the same problem when upgrading, or might know off-hand what its cause is. If the mc or any other config file would be of help, please let me know and i'll send it. (I didn't want to send an attach to the whole list) Thanks :)) -S-
Re: diald and development kernels
On Sat, 10 Jun 2000, Pollywog wrote: Has anyone else noticed that Diald does not seem to work with kernel 2.3.99-pre9, or is it just me? I don't understand what is going on, but it works now. I suspect it has something to do with the ipchains module, but I am using iptables now. -- Andrew
download driver
Bom dia. Estou com dificuldades para instalar/configurar minha faxmodem WS-5614JS3, HOCKWELL 97 (RCVDL56ACF/SP R6761-21) Gostaria de fazer download do driver de instalação mas não sei onde encontrar. Por favor me informe. Grato: Severino [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: download driver
Caro Severino, o artigo de introdução 25 de OLinux: http://www.olinux.com.br/introducao/25 possui um link para página com modems compatíveis com Linux. Confira lá! Quoting Severino Alves ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Bom dia. Estou com dificuldades para instalar/configurar minha faxmodem WS-5614JS3, HOCKWELL 97 (RCVDL56ACF/SP R6761-21) Gostaria de fazer download do driver de instalação mas não sei onde encontrar. Por favor me informe. Grato: Severino [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: boot disk
You need to download the images and put them on disk using dd. Ron Rademaker On Sat, 10 Jun 2000, Allan Andersen wrote: Hi I've just recieved an older IBM (pentium 133), which I would like to install Debian on. The problem is that there is no cdrom on it, so I try to create a bootdisk, so I boot the computer and hopefully install it from my local mirror of ftp.debian.org. I've tried to create the disk with mkboot and by copying the different files from the /disks-i386/current directory to a floppy, but every time it comes to booting linux/lilo. Any help would be appricated. Allan Andersen -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Install problem with AHA 2940 SCSI (older PC)
I am trying to install Linux on my old PC: Built by Lektor (a Danish company) Intel Endeavor motherboard w/ Pentium 166 processor 80 MB RAM Adaptec 2940 SCSI Host Adapter (LUN 7) Pioneer DRU124x CD-ROM at LUN 2 (bootable) Seagate ST11200N HD at LUN 0 (brand new, low level format only) No network or PCMCIA cards I'm trying to install Linux from CDs. After some experimenting I found that I had to use the 'tecra' install disk (on CD#2). At the boot: prompt I type Linux mem=80mb and hit enter. The system install program comes up and lets me pick my color monitor and configure the keyboard. THEN the problem starts, the system installation program says No hard drives could be found, you are installing the system on a diskless workstation, therefore you need to configure the network... But I have no network(!) and I do have a hard drive. Is there any way to force the system to see my HD? By the way, I also tried mounting a floppy or a ramdisk as the root filesystem, and I get to the same place. I suspect that the problem is with the non-formatted HD (as I said above, it is low-level formatted only). I cannot even get a DOS system disk to recognize or format it. Any help would be appreciated, I haven't given up on Linux yet, after 1 week of trying... Robert
The Thrill of Debian Gnu/Linux
Yes, you too can experience the thrill of installing and upgrading the Debian distro! You'll impress your neighbors with your buff pinky muscles, built after hours of banging the living bejeesus out of the enter key to accept the default configurations for a plethora of programs you never use or asked to install! You're provided with about 5 base configurations -- which give you a machine with 40 mb. of packages, 120 mb. of packages, or 400+ mb. of packages! The essence of flexibility! Of course, you *could* choose custom...go right ahead... You'll ohh and ahhh as apt-get fails on package name lengths that are too long! You'll quiver as apt-get begins returning E: pre depends messages! You'll dance as gdmconfig refuses to save a custom append line, forcing you to edit /etc/gpm.conf by hand! You'll writhe as gdmconfig tries to test your mouse and locks up the keyboard! You'll telnet in from other machines repeatedly to kill gdmtest! You'll install xf86setup and find the actual command name is XF86Setup! Of course, when you install xf86config, the name is xf86config (this is an xfree thing, I know). You'll visit the debian.org site approximately 3,596,391 times finding out what package provides a command you need...since apt-get doesn't have what-provides or query options. Sigh. I know it's good stuff, but the initial and post-installation configuration details are mind-numbing. Somehow, someway, people need to be able to pick from more base installs, and there needs to be a higher quality post-installation configuration system. I'm almost there, but this is heinous. Maybe after installing SVGA16 XF86Setup will start working right. Main problem now is that when I log in through gdm/helix gnome, there is no wm started -- just a gray stipple and a single button 2 menu. sawfish is installed and configured, but not launching I guess. Any help is appreciated. --- John
Re: The Thrill of Debian Gnu/Linux
On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 02:16:45PM -0700, John McBride wrote: You'll visit the debian.org site approximately 3,596,391 times finding out what package provides a command you need...since apt-get doesn't have what-provides or query options. It should, I grant you, but have you tried dpkg -S? -- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] I-Con's Science and Technology Programming http://www.iconsf.org/
Simple C-includes BIND questions
Hello friends I got Exim working now! Yippie! I'm getting to like debian more everyday. Now, I have an applet that calls some programs on the Linux machine. The thing is that I need to compile those with libc6 as they say Cannot load libc5 when I try to start them manually. I used them on an old linux distribution before, where libc5 seems to have been installed. In the includes of those programs, there are (amongst others) the files stdlib.h and strings.h. These aren't anywhere on the system. Which package(s) need(s) installing for those to be present? Also, I have bind installed. But funnily tho, nslookup doesn't seem to be anywhere on the system. Has its name changed or what? I am running the latest version of bind on potato. Cheers Sven
Re: Sendmail not receiving mail
Doh! I wrote the previous email before having seen an error message that is surely very important. Sorry about that. Here it is from /var/log/mail.info and from the return receipts: Jun 10 06:33:55 saxa sendmail[8685]: KAE23583: SYSERR(daemon): Cannot exec /usr/sbin/sensible-mda: No such file or directory Jun 10 06:33:55 saxa sendmail[8672]: KAE23583: to=root, delay=19:59:58, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=$local, stat=Operating system error Some ppl in this list asked if I could telnet port 25. Ps had indicated that sendmail was accepting messages here. I tested it and sent an email through there. It gave no errors. Thanks for the help up to now. I imagine those error messages might shine some more light on the subject. -S-
Re: starting a script at boot time?
On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 10:37:56AM -0700, Bob Nielsen wrote: On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 09:54:06AM -0700, Jay Kelly wrote: Good Morning Group, I want to have a firewall script I made to start automatically after booting. The file has permission 755 and is in my /etc/init.d folder. What will I need to do to make this script start and run at bootup? man update-rc.d To amplify slightly: - /etc/init.d is where startup scripts live. - The rc?.d directories are where specific init levels find their kill and start scripts, which are linked to a script in /etc/init.d Eg: /etc/rc0.d /etc/rc1.d /etc/rc2.d /etc/rc3.d /etc/rc4.d /etc/rc5.d /etc/rc6.d /etc/rcS.d update-rc.d is one mechanism for updating rc files. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Opensales, Inc. http://www.opensales.org What part of Gestalt don't you understand? Debian GNU/Linux rocks! http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ K5: http://www.kuro5hin.org GPG fingerprint: F932 8B25 5FDD 2528 D595 DC61 3847 889F 55F2 B9B0 pgpV3F5EA5kZC.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Simple C-includes BIND questions
Sven Burgener wrote: Hello friends I got Exim working now! Yippie! I'm getting to like debian more everyday. Now, I have an applet that calls some programs on the Linux machine. The thing is that I need to compile those with libc6 as they say Cannot load libc5 when I try to start them manually. I used them on an old linux distribution before, where libc5 seems to have been installed. In the includes of those programs, there are (amongst others) the files stdlib.h and strings.h. These aren't anywhere on the system. Which package(s) need(s) installing for those to be present? HAL9000:~$ dpkg -S /usr/include/string.h libc6-dev: /usr/include/string.h I believe libc6-dev is what you need to provide those. Remember, the lib-whatever packages are the runtime items and the lib-whatever-dev are needed to compile your own stuff. I've stumbled over that one *many* times. But once you manage to remember that, you're pretty much set. Also, I have bind installed. But funnily tho, nslookup doesn't seem to be anywhere on the system. Has its name changed or what? I am running the latest version of bind on potato. HAL9000:~$ dpkg -S nslookup dnsutils: /usr/share/man/man1/nslookup.1.gz dnsutils: /usr/lib/nslookup.help dnsutils: /usr/bin/nslookup nslookup is off in another package - dnsutils -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | Where do you want to go today? | As far from Redmond as possible! '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: The Thrill of Debian Gnu/Linux
On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 02:16:45PM -0700, John McBride wrote: Yes, you too can experience the thrill of installing and upgrading the Debian distro! Been there, done that, got the evil grin plastered all over my mug. You'll impress your neighbors with your buff pinky muscles, built after hours of banging the living bejeesus out of the enter key to accept the default configurations for a plethora of programs you never use or asked to install! You're provided with about 5 base configurations -- which give you a machine with 40 mb. of packages, 120 mb. of packages, or 400+ mb. of packages! The essence of flexibility! Of course, you *could* choose custom...go right ahead... Far recommend custom and then install what you really need. Best to install a few packages at a time and get everything stable. It is a bit more time-consuming to set up than RPM, but the system generally works far, far better. Realize that the alternative to telling your system how you want it to set itself up is for it to assume and make decisions behind your back. You can then do: dpkg --get-selections [pattern ...]get list of selections to stdout ...to get an audit of what's on your system, and run this to dpkg --set-selectionsset package selections from stdin ...on a second system to clone the first. You'll ohh and ahhh as apt-get fails on package name lengths that are too long! Sorry? Details? Never seen this. You'll quiver as apt-get begins returning E: pre depends messages! Sorry? Details? You'll dance as gdmconfig refuses to save a custom append line, forcing you to edit /etc/gpm.conf by hand! Well, that's why it's a textfile. Actually, gdm is considered harmful g. You'll writhe as gdmconfig tries to test your mouse and locks up the keyboard! ...see g You'll telnet in from other machines repeatedly to kill gdmtest! Tsk, tsk. ssh. Telnet considered evil and twisted. You'll install xf86setup and find the actual command name is XF86Setup! Of course, when you install xf86config, the name is xf86config (this is an xfree thing, I know). Debian package names are uniformly lowercased. Linux is a case-sensitive OS, command names *are* case sensitive. Besides, XF8Setup works. Mostly. You'll visit the debian.org site approximately 3,596,391 times finding out what package provides a command you need...since apt-get doesn't have what-provides or query options. apt-get -S Sigh. I know it's good stuff, but the initial and post-installation configuration details are mind-numbing. Somehow, someway, people need to be able to pick from more base installs, and there needs to be a higher quality post-installation configuration system. RedHat is a system you install many times (note: biased opinion, but based on upgrades 4.2 - 5.0 - 5.2). Debian is a system you install twice (once to learn how, once to get it right). I'm almost there, but this is heinous. Maybe after installing SVGA16 XF86Setup will start working right. Main problem now is that when I log in through gdm/helix gnome, there is no wm started -- just a gray stipple and a single button 2 menu. sawfish is installed and configured, but not launching I guess. Any help is appreciated. Yes, XF86Setup requires the SVGA16 X server. WRT gdm: I far prefer startx from the command line. More control, fewer problems. Generally, it's better to get X set up and running from startx, *then* deal with your X display manager configuration. You might want to check: - /etc/X11 in general - /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager - /etc/X11/x display manager/Xstartup -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Opensales, Inc. http://www.opensales.org What part of Gestalt don't you understand? Debian GNU/Linux rocks! http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ K5: http://www.kuro5hin.org GPG fingerprint: F932 8B25 5FDD 2528 D595 DC61 3847 889F 55F2 B9B0 pgpL17xM3JPeu.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: The Thrill of Debian Gnu/Linux
Carl Fink wrote: On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 02:16:45PM -0700, John McBride wrote: You'll visit the debian.org site approximately 3,596,391 times finding out what package provides a command you need...since apt-get doesn't have what-provides or query options. It should, I grant you, but have you tried dpkg -S? No, I actually haven't, being new to debian, and not the most patient of people when it comes to reading throgh reams of install docs and man pages. But thank you for the quick reply. After installing xserver-vga16 and running XF86Setup, I now have a full woody install, at the proper resolution, and helix-gnome appears to be working fine. The only issue remaining is that when I login through gdm as root, I get the sawfish wm but no gnome desktop. If I long in as a regular user, everything is fine. Thanks for the -S tip; even though I poked fun at the install process, I'm pretty happy with everything. --- John
Re: Simple C-includes BIND questions
I believe libc6-dev is what you need to provide those. Remember, the lib-whatever packages are the runtime items and the lib-whatever-dev are needed to compile your own stuff. I've stumbled over that one *many* times. But once you manage to remember that, you're pretty much set. nslookup is off in another package - dnsutils Thanks for the excellent infos to all! Sven
Re: starting a script at boot time?
On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 07:51:28AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 02:41:46PM -0700, kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 10:37:56AM -0700, Bob Nielsen wrote: On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 09:54:06AM -0700, Jay Kelly wrote: Good Morning Group, I want to have a firewall script I made to start automatically after booting. The file has permission 755 and is in my /etc/init.d folder. What will I need to do to make this script start and run at bootup? man update-rc.d To amplify slightly: - /etc/init.d is where startup scripts live. - The rc?.d directories are where specific init levels find their kill and start scripts, which are linked to a script in /etc/init.d Eg: /etc/rc0.d /etc/rc1.d /etc/rc2.d /etc/rc3.d /etc/rc4.d /etc/rc5.d /etc/rc6.d /etc/rcS.d update-rc.d is one mechanism for updating rc files. Thanks for the help. Real quick question. I want to make fetchmailrc run at boot up but the file is in /home/$user. How will I make it start at boot up so my system will look for mail ? rant degree=mild Once quoting order (new follows/leads original material) has been established, please follow it. Skipping forward and back in a post is annoying at best, confusing or misleading at worst. /rant @reboot in a crontab file specifies scripts to run at boottime. fetchmail is a user-run process, it isn't generally run as root or systemwide, and can cause problems if it is. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Opensales, Inc. http://www.opensales.org What part of Gestalt don't you understand? Debian GNU/Linux rocks! http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ K5: http://www.kuro5hin.org GPG fingerprint: F932 8B25 5FDD 2528 D595 DC61 3847 889F 55F2 B9B0 pgpIiW2KGq8VS.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: The Thrill of Debian Gnu/Linux
At 02:16 PM 6/10/00 -0700, John McBride wrote: Yes, you too can experience the thrill of installing and upgrading the Debian distro! Same here: I just had my potato system working, wanted to install latex, apt-get decides to update 63 packages and now pon/poff doesn't work anymore. It just gives me 'pppd not started. None stopped'. The card is recognized, the port is recognized, but here I am using Windoze again to get on the net. So far I haven't really enjoyed networking with Linux. On a brighter note, my TV card works great. Good luck to you. --Hans
Netscape -- recent severe instability
Netscape is driving me nuts. I'm running 2.2 unstable (woody), with Package: navigator-smotif-461 Status: install ok installed Source: netscape4.61 Version: 4.61-11 Recently (within the past week), Netscape has become even more unstable than usual, crashing when cycling through windows, raising or lowering windows, or other actions. I have both java and javascript disabled as they typically lead to similar behavior. Window manager is WindowMaker: Package: wmaker Version: 0.61.1-4 I am not using a desktop environment (KDE, Gnome). -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Opensales, Inc. http://www.opensales.org What part of Gestalt don't you understand? Debian GNU/Linux rocks! http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ K5: http://www.kuro5hin.org GPG fingerprint: F932 8B25 5FDD 2528 D595 DC61 3847 889F 55F2 B9B0 pgp1EanEJzGkp.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Netscape -- recent severe instability
kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: Netscape is driving me nuts. I'm running 2.2 unstable (woody), with (potato will be 2.2, woody will be 2.3 or 3.0 I guess, despite what /etc/debian_version still says ...) Package: navigator-smotif-461 Status: install ok installed Source: netscape4.61 Version: 4.61-11 Recently (within the past week), Netscape has become even more unstable than usual, crashing when cycling through windows, raising or lowering windows, or other actions. I have both java and javascript disabled as they typically lead to similar behavior. Have a look at navigator-smotif-473, which is the latest version. Netscape is pretty hard to debug (grr, need source code ...), but upgrading to the current version might make sense if you're experiencing severe instability. Window manager is WindowMaker: Package: wmaker Version: 0.61.1-4 My roommate uses WindowMaker on woody and either 4.72 or 4.73 (can't remember) and he hasn't commented on any such problems, so that might help. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Thrill of Debian Gnu/Linux
kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: You'll ohh and ahhh as apt-get fails on package name lengths that are too long! Sorry? Details? Never seen this. As soon as I got a base system working, I updated my sources.list and used apt-get update. It failed after retreiving the pkg files with an E: message that some package names were too long. Presumably, my 2.1 slink CD has a version of dpkg or something that has some kind of path length limitation. Sorry I didn't note the files causing it. I think maybe I should have upgraded to the lastest slink before going to woody, since the CD I'm using is several months old. But that would have meant many megabytes of d/l just to start over again to woody...and I thought I could go straight to it. In a couple days, I'm going to try again on another box, and I will note the exact message. You'll quiver as apt-get begins returning E: pre depends messages! Sorry? Details? Since dpkg/apt failed due to some file length error, I tried to update them by hand (dpkg). I found some kind of circular dependency between libc6 and the newer apt/dpkg, so I ended up forcibly installing one of them. Finally, I got past the name length error, and apt-get started working again, but part of the way through the update it crashed, and when I rebooted it started giving some kind of E: pre depends message when it worked through the dependency list. Several people have posted to deja.com about it. The only way I could muddle through was by cycling through dpkg and apt commands til it went away. When I do the next machine (a couple days) I'll try to take more notes. You'll telnet in from other machines repeatedly to kill gdmtest! Tsk, tsk. ssh. Telnet considered evil and twisted. but probably okay on my private 10 net while I struggle with an install gone evil :-) RedHat is a system you install many times (note: biased opinion, but based on upgrades 4.2 - 5.0 - 5.2). Debian is a system you install twice (once to learn how, once to get it right). I tentatively agree. But my employer (for example) would take RedHat, Storm or Corel over a raw debian, simply because their installs are far more modern and professional. But for me, I can't stand KDE, and RedHat has some oddities that just annoy the heck out of me, like (IMHO) extremely poor pre-release testing. I'm almost there, but this is heinous. Maybe after installing SVGA16 XF86Setup will start working right. Main problem now is that when I log in through gdm/helix gnome, there is no wm started -- just a gray stipple and a single button 2 menu. sawfish is installed and configured, but not launching I guess. Any help is appreciated. Yes, XF86Setup requires the SVGA16 X server. WRT gdm: I far prefer startx from the command line. More control, fewer problems. Generally, it's better to get X set up and running from startx, *then* deal with your X display manager configuration. You might want to check: - /etc/X11 in general - /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager - /etc/X11/x display manager/Xstartup Actually, I strongly prefer startx, but don't see how to disable gdm without breaking helix-gnome -- it seems to require gdm. You can't simply edit /etc/inittab like you can on RedHat. apt-get remove gdm pulls helix-gnome off the system. I'll review those files. Ha, I left one out -- if you have a DRDOS partition, cfdisk and lilo conspire to mangle it. Doesn't happen under RedHat. --- John
Re: no ppp after update potato
On Sat, 10 Jun 2000, Hans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just did a potato update on my notebook and afterwards I couldn't connect to my ISP with pon/poff. pppconfig doesn't recognize my cardmodem anymore which used to be /dev/ttyS1. I reinstalled pcmcia support, but to no avail. I noticed setserial was updated, so what's up with that? Or is it something else? Please help because without my modem I can't install new software. Thanks, Hans Yes, it seems to be kind of a common problem -- I hope it will be fixed for the final release of potato. After loading your card, execute (as root): IRQ=$(setserial /dev/$DEVICE | sed -e 's/^.*IRQ: //') setserial /dev/$DEVICE irq 0 setserial /dev/$DEVICE irq $IRQ If that works (i.e., your modem is detected -- use minicom), I suggest you modify /etc/pcmcia/serial accordingly or (easier) update to pcmcia-cs 3.1.14-1 (in woody). Good luck, ChriS
Re: The Thrill of Debian Gnu/Linux
John McBride wrote: stuff snipped Actually, I strongly prefer startx, but don't see how to disable gdm without breaking helix-gnome -- it seems to require gdm. You can't simply edit /etc/inittab like you can on RedHat. apt-get remove gdm pulls helix-gnome off the system. I'll review those files. Actually, what gets removed is task-helix-gnome, which is just a meta-package that has a Depends line containing the Helix-Gnome stuff. That can actually be safely removed. An alternative is to do (as root): update-rc.d -f gdm remove What this does is remove the symlinks in the /etc/rc.x directories, while leaving the gdm start script in the /etc/init.d directory. Also, the gdm package stays installed. It just doesn't get used unless you explicitly call it yourself. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | Where do you want to go today? | As far from Redmond as possible! '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: The Thrill of Debian Gnu/Linux
Hans writes: Same here: I just had my potato system working, wanted to install latex, apt-get decides to update 63 packages and now pon/poff doesn't work anymore. It just gives me 'pppd not started. None stopped'. Please post copies of /etc/ppp/peers/provider, /etc/chatscripts/provider, and the output of the plog command. I assume that you used pppconfig to configure ppp. Also post the output of 'dpkg -s ppp', 'dpkg -s setserial', and 'uname -a'. The card is recognized, the port is recognized,... Exactly what do you mean by that? -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, Wisconsin
Re: The Thrill of Debian Gnu/Linux
Carl Fink wrote: It should, I grant you, but have you tried dpkg -S? here's a nasty one: expectk bash: expectk: command not found root dpkg -S expectk dpkg: *expectk* not found. web page shows: interpreters/expect5.24 interpreters/swig root apt-get install expect [candidates : 5.24, 5.31] root apt-get install expect5.24 root expectk bash: expectk: command not found root apt-get install expect5.31 root expectk bash: expectk: command not found root updatedb root locate expectk /usr/archives/expectk5.31_5.31.5-2_i386.deb /usr/share/swig/tcl/expectk.i root ls -ald /var/cache/apt/achives lrwxrwxrwx1 root root 13 Jun 8 20:46 /var/cache/apt/archives - /usr/archives root apt-get install expectk5.31 root which expectk /usr/bin/expectk ...whew. --- John
Re: The Thrill of Debian Gnu/Linux
Mike Werner wrote: John McBride wrote: stuff snipped Actually, I strongly prefer startx, but don't see how to disable gdm without breaking helix-gnome -- it seems to require gdm. You can't simply edit /etc/inittab like you can on RedHat. apt-get remove gdm pulls helix-gnome off the system. I'll review those files. Actually, what gets removed is task-helix-gnome, which is just a meta-package that has a Depends line containing the Helix-Gnome stuff. That can actually be safely removed. An alternative is to do (as root): update-rc.d -f gdm remove What this does is remove the symlinks in the /etc/rc.x directories, while leaving the gdm start script in the /etc/init.d directory. Also, the gdm package stays installed. It just doesn't get used unless you explicitly call it yourself. After running this command (update-rc.d -f gdm remove), rebooting, and typing startx, I get a grey stipple screen with no window manager. There's probably more to it, or my install has gone bad in some other way. This kind of proves my point -- to get something installed properly under Debian, you need to know a slew of configuration and config file details. --- John
Re: The Thrill of Debian Gnu/Linux
John McBride wrote: Mike Werner wrote: John McBride wrote: stuff snipped Actually, I strongly prefer startx, but don't see how to disable gdm without breaking helix-gnome -- it seems to require gdm. You can't simply edit /etc/inittab like you can on RedHat. apt-get remove gdm pulls helix-gnome off the system. I'll review those files. Actually, what gets removed is task-helix-gnome, which is just a meta-package that has a Depends line containing the Helix-Gnome stuff. That can actually be safely removed. An alternative is to do (as root): update-rc.d -f gdm remove What this does is remove the symlinks in the /etc/rc.x directories, while leaving the gdm start script in the /etc/init.d directory. Also, the gdm package stays installed. It just doesn't get used unless you explicitly call it yourself. After running this command (update-rc.d -f gdm remove), rebooting, and typing startx, I get a grey stipple screen with no window manager. There's probably more to it, or my install has gone bad in some other way. I'm not positive, but I don't think these are related. I've *never* run any of the *dm group. On my desktop, I had no troubles at all getting Helix Gnome to run with sawfish as the window manager. But on my laptop, I had similar troubles. But on the laptop I kept getting fvwm (without Gnome) instead of sawfish / Gnome. I finally got things running by purging every window manager but sawfish. However, I must also say that my laptop has a very broken install on it due to me screwing up during the upgrade from slink to woody. As for why you're not getting a window manager, I'm really not too sure. Do you have a $HOME/.xsession file? Here's what mine looks like: - begin .xsession - #!/bin/sh exec gnome-session - end .xsession - and that's what it took to get Gnome running. Once there, you *should* be able to configure Gnome as to what window manager to use. I'm still very new to Gnome, so am not positive that there's not something else needed. But that's all I had to do here. Perhaps someone else that's more familiar with Gnome than I can add something here. This kind of proves my point -- to get something installed properly under Debian, you need to know a slew of configuration and config file details. Granted, there are some things that are a bear to get configured. However, I've found that the result is a system that runs *exactly* the way I want. Nor, unlike Micro$oft systems, does it ever need to be reconfigured due to a spontaneous change. In fairness to Debian, I've had troubles along the same lines with other distros. I started with Slackware a few years ago. In the interim I've tried RedHat (absolutely hated it - lousy package management, way too much emphasis on eye candy and not enough on functionality), briefly tried SuSE, Caldera (wouldn't even install on my laptop), even looked briefly at FreeBSD (couldn't even figure out the installer - might try again some day when I have more time and patience). But I keep coming back to Debian. Sure, it has its quirks. But in my opinion those quirks are *far* outweighed by the overall quality of the distro. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | Where do you want to go today? | As far from Redmond as possible! '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: The Thrill of Debian Gnu/Linux
On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 03:34:03PM -0700, John McBride wrote: kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: You'll ohh and ahhh as apt-get fails on package name lengths that are too long! Sorry? Details? Never seen this. As soon as I got a base system working, I updated my sources.list and used apt-get update. It failed after retreiving the pkg files with an E: message that some package names were too long. Presumably, my 2.1 slink CD has a version of dpkg or something that has some kind of path length limitation. Sorry I didn't note the files causing it. I think maybe I should have upgraded to the lastest slink before going to woody, since the CD I'm using is several months old. But that would have meant many megabytes of d/l just to start over again to woody...and I thought I could go straight to it. In a couple days, I'm going to try again on another box, and I will note the exact message. IIRC, dpkg has changed somewhat significantly since slink. Unfortunately, I've only installed Debian four times (two computers g), and don't recall the specifics. My install order tends to be: - base slink system - update slink to potato (or frozen) - start loading packages I'd check through the buglists and/or mailing list archives for appropriate strings. You'll quiver as apt-get begins returning E: pre depends messages! Sorry? Details? Since dpkg/apt failed due to some file length error, I tried to update them by hand (dpkg). I found some kind of circular dependency between libc6 and the newer apt/dpkg, so I ended up forcibly installing one of them. Finally, I got past the name length error, and apt-get started working again, but part of the way through the update it crashed, and when I rebooted it started giving some kind of E: pre depends message when it worked through the dependency list. Several people have posted to deja.com about it. The only way I could muddle through was by cycling through dpkg and apt commands til it went away. When I do the next machine (a couple days) I'll try to take more notes. I'll occasionally get stuck with a set of apt errors. You can do an apt-get install --fix-missing ...IIRC, to try to clean up the mess. The other alternative I've resorted to (more than once) is to: $ su - # cd /var/cache/apt/archives # for file in *.deb; do dpkg -i $file rm $file; done ...which installs (or tries) each and every deb file you've downloaded. Usually some get stuck, but at least the ones that haven't are then cleared out of your way. You can run this several times to try to clear dependencies (the stuff that isn't dependent on something not yet installed gets installed). It's really slow, largely because you're reading through the packages list for *each* package installed. I tentatively agree. But my employer (for example) would take RedHat, Storm or Corel over a raw debian, simply because their installs are far more modern and professional. But for me, I can't stand KDE, and RedHat has some oddities that just annoy the heck out of me, like (IMHO) extremely poor pre-release testing. There are a number of reasons why a work site might chose RH. It's slightly more popular, though the tech-minded tend to favor Debian IMO. Installation plays a distant second to maintenance IMO. Actually, I strongly prefer startx, but don't see how to disable gdm without breaking helix-gnome -- it seems to require gdm. You can't simply edit /etc/inittab like you can on RedHat. apt-get remove gdm pulls helix-gnome off the system. I'll review those files. Debain (rightly, IMO) puts display managers under /etc/init.d and the appropriate rc?.d directories: # /etc/init.d/gdm stop ...should get you what you want. For more permanent breakage, remove the offending rc?.d/S##gdm file. You can also edit IIRC the /etc/X11/*/Xservers file to include or exclude the local display. Ha, I left one out -- if you have a DRDOS partition, cfdisk and lilo conspire to mangle it. Doesn't happen under RedHat. I prefer manual fdisk myself. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Opensales, Inc. http://www.opensales.org What part of Gestalt don't you understand? Debian GNU/Linux rocks! http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ K5: http://www.kuro5hin.org GPG fingerprint: F932 8B25 5FDD 2528 D595 DC61 3847 889F 55F2 B9B0 pgpibAaY89jrB.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: The Thrill of Debian Gnu/Linux
John McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Carl Fink wrote: It should, I grant you, but have you tried dpkg -S? here's a nasty one: expectk bash: expectk: command not found root dpkg -S expectk dpkg: *expectk* not found. Ah, here you have a different search facility ;) dpkg -S searches the system for packages owning a particular file. If you want to search for package names, try 'dpkg -l *expectk*' or 'apt-cache search expectk' (the latter searches descriptions as well). If you want functionality like rpm's --whatprovides, the easiest way is probably to install the grep-dctrl package. Then you can do something like: grep-available -FProvides expectk ... or, for more concise output: grep-available -FProvides -nsPackage expectk You can also use grep-status to search the packages you have installed rather than those that are available. Beware that you need to use 'dselect update' rather than 'apt-get update' to have this work, confusingly enough. I know this isn't obvious to start off with (grep-dctrl seems to have a very low profile, but it rocks :)); I found it all very nice indeed once I got used to it, though. Searching for a specific file in all uninstalled packages is probably about the trickiest search to do. The best way to do this is to get hold of the Contents-i386.gz (or similar for other architectures) file off your CD or a Debian mirror, decompress it with gunzip, and grep or otherwise search it for the filename in question. HTH, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Thrill of Debian Gnu/Linux
On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 04:38:35PM -0700, John McBride wrote: Mike Werner wrote: John McBride wrote: After running this command (update-rc.d -f gdm remove), rebooting, and typing startx, I get a grey stipple screen with no window manager. There's probably more to it, or my install has gone bad in some other way. This kind of proves my point -- to get something installed properly under Debian, you need to know a slew of configuration and config file details. Um. No, you broke something, it's your fault g. Seriously, what's happened is that your window manager configuration has gotten hosed, and we're not quite sure what's going on. So you now go to the list and ask those annoying people who know everything (wait a minute, I resemble that remark). 20 questions: - Do you have a window manager installed? - What's /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager pointing to? - What's your /etc/X11/Xsession file look like? I suspect your problem has something to do with this because: o startx is a shell script which calls xinit o xinit is a binary which calls /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc o xinitrc is a shell script which calls /etc/X11/Xsession o there will be a test on this /etc/X11/Xsession falls through a number of cases, one of which is testing for /usr/bin/x-window-manager. If this file (or the link chain it points to) doesn't exist, you've got problems. Though you should get a failsafe (xterm only) session. Weird. Though I've heard of it before. What I suspect is that there's a problem launching your preferred window manager. Which is it? Try as an alternative: $ startx /usr/bin/x-window-manager -- :0 or $ startx your-preferred-window-manager -- :0 ...and see what happens. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Opensales, Inc. http://www.opensales.org What part of Gestalt don't you understand? Debian GNU/Linux rocks! http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ K5: http://www.kuro5hin.org GPG fingerprint: F932 8B25 5FDD 2528 D595 DC61 3847 889F 55F2 B9B0 pgppxu7UbC0aS.pgp Description: PGP signature
rm -R /usr/
hello i am a new debian user and i just learned a hard lesson. I guess it is a bad idea to issue the following command: rm -R /usr/ i try to look at the bright side, you know make lemonade and all that, so at least i get a new system as a result of my bonehead mistake. Hopefully i will make different, and yet equally idiotic mistakes in the future. thanks for listening, i just needed to vent. -jake
Re: Netscape -- recent severe instability
On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 11:24:52PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: Netscape is driving me nuts. I'm running 2.2 unstable (woody), with (potato will be 2.2, woody will be 2.3 or 3.0 I guess, despite what /etc/debian_version still says ...) Package: navigator-smotif-461 Status: install ok installed Source: netscape4.61 Version: 4.61-11 Recently (within the past week), Netscape has become even more unstable than usual, crashing when cycling through windows, raising or lowering windows, or other actions. I have both java and javascript disabled as they typically lead to similar behavior. Have a look at navigator-smotif-473, which is the latest version. Netscape is pretty hard to debug (grr, need source code ...), but upgrading to the current version might make sense if you're experiencing severe instability. Window manager is WindowMaker: Package: wmaker Version: 0.61.1-4 My roommate uses WindowMaker on woody and either 4.72 or 4.73 (can't remember) and he hasn't commented on any such problems, so that might help. I'm running a similar (but not identical) setup at work w/o problems (well, not as bad, anyway). -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Opensales, Inc. http://www.opensales.org What part of Gestalt don't you understand? Debian GNU/Linux rocks! http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ K5: http://www.kuro5hin.org GPG fingerprint: F932 8B25 5FDD 2528 D595 DC61 3847 889F 55F2 B9B0
Re: The Thrill of Debian Gnu/Linux
On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 04:38:35PM -0700, John McBride wrote: Mike Werner wrote: [...] After running this command (update-rc.d -f gdm remove), rebooting, and typing startx, I get a grey stipple screen with no window manager. There's probably more to it, or my install has gone bad in some other way. 2nd response. WRT your install going bad -- well, given the problems you mentioned above, that's not altogether unlikely. I'd straighten out the package management issues, then tackle X. Might make sense to try a fresh start -- this was your first attempt. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Opensales, Inc. http://www.opensales.org What part of Gestalt don't you understand? Debian GNU/Linux rocks! http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ K5: http://www.kuro5hin.org GPG fingerprint: F932 8B25 5FDD 2528 D595 DC61 3847 889F 55F2 B9B0
Re: The Thrill of Debian Gnu/Linux
John McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As soon as I got a base system working, I updated my sources.list and used apt-get update. It failed after retreiving the pkg files with an E: message that some package names were too long. Presumably, my 2.1 slink CD has a version of dpkg or something that has some kind of path length limitation. I don't see anything obvious in the changelog, but I might be missing something; it's worth asking debian-testing about this (in case it's a bug in potato too). Since dpkg/apt failed due to some file length error, I tried to update them by hand (dpkg). I found some kind of circular dependency between libc6 and the newer apt/dpkg, so I ended up forcibly installing one of them. Finally, I got past the name length error, and apt-get started working again, but part of the way through the update it crashed, and when I rebooted it started giving some kind of E: pre depends message when it worked through the dependency list. Several people have posted to deja.com about it. That *is* a problem. If you see this again, it would be good to get the output of 'dpkg -s libc6', 'dpkg -s dpkg' and 'dpkg -s apt' before and after the installation. Where on Deja was this? Ha, I left one out -- if you have a DRDOS partition, cfdisk and lilo conspire to mangle it. Doesn't happen under RedHat. Have a look in the bug tracking system (http://bugs.debian.org/) for reports against cfdisk and lilo. If it's not mentioned, use 'reportbug' to file a bug. On the whole, Debian package maintainers really are receptive and responsive to bugs, and I've usually found it worth the effort of putting together bug reports. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Thrill of Debian Gnu/Linux
kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 04:38:35PM -0700, John McBride wrote: After running this command (update-rc.d -f gdm remove), rebooting, and typing startx, I get a grey stipple screen with no window manager. There's probably more to it, or my install has gone bad in some other way. [snip] What I suspect is that there's a problem launching your preferred window manager. I'd tend to agree. The contents of .xsession-errors in your home directory might be useful here? -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netscape -- recent severe instability
On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 11:24:52PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: Netscape is driving me nuts. I'm running 2.2 unstable (woody), with (potato will be 2.2, woody will be 2.3 or 3.0 I guess, despite what /etc/debian_version still says ...) Package: navigator-smotif-461 Status: install ok installed Source: netscape4.61 Version: 4.61-11 Recently (within the past week), Netscape has become even more unstable than usual, crashing when cycling through windows, raising or lowering windows, or other actions. I have both java and javascript disabled as they typically lead to similar behavior. Have a look at navigator-smotif-473, which is the latest version. Netscape is pretty hard to debug (grr, need source code ...), but upgrading to the current version might make sense if you're experiencing severe instability. Window manager is WindowMaker: Package: wmaker Version: 0.61.1-4 My roommate uses WindowMaker on woody and either 4.72 or 4.73 (can't remember) and he hasn't commented on any such problems, so that might help. FWIW, I just launched 4.05 (I keep a number of older versions around for testing/nostalgia), and it's also dying. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Opensales, Inc. http://www.opensales.org What part of Gestalt don't you understand? Debian GNU/Linux rocks! http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ K5: http://www.kuro5hin.org GPG fingerprint: F932 8B25 5FDD 2528 D595 DC61 3847 889F 55F2 B9B0
Re: rm -R /usr/
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am a new debian user and i just learned a hard lesson. I guess it is a bad idea to issue the following command: rm -R /usr/ i try to look at the bright side, you know make lemonade and all that, so at least i get a new system as a result of my bonehead mistake. Hopefully i will make different, and yet equally idiotic mistakes in the future. Hmm. Bad luck there. At least it wasn't /, so you get to keep /home. The mind boggles as to how much I'd lose if I zapped that and didn't have backups ... -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: rm -R /usr/
Yep... I was working with a filesystem I had mounted in /slink, and I issued rm -r /etc, trying to remove the mounted etc... oops... Now I have it aliased to interactive mode, which is annoying at times, but I haven't made a mistake like that again. -Aaron On Sat, 10 Jun 2000, Jacob I. Stowell wrote: hello i am a new debian user and i just learned a hard lesson. I guess it is a bad idea to issue the following command: rm -R /usr/ i try to look at the bright side, you know make lemonade and all that, so at least i get a new system as a result of my bonehead mistake. Hopefully i will make different, and yet equally idiotic mistakes in the future. thanks for listening, i just needed to vent. -jake -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: rm -R /usr/
Hi Aaron! On Sat, 10 Jun 2000, Aaron Solochek wrote: Now I have it aliased to interactive mode, which is annoying at times, but [ ^^ rm -- PP] I haven't made a mistake like that again. Does not work for me. After 2 days I started using -f with rm all the times. Even more dangerous. :) yours, peter -- http://www.cosy.sbg.ac.at/~ppalfrad
Re: rm -R /usr/
hi ya yeahand luckily... /usr is already backed up on cdrom... just need to update the missing files/bins/libs ( i hope it works ? )... and than apply your new apps/patches ?? i like /usr/src to be in a separate partition that is backed up or mirrored... all clients mount /usr/src (ro) to minimize duplication of stuff we all did rm -rf / at MOST once i hope...eheheeh experience is the best teacher...many lessons to learn from rm -R 'anything or rm -rf or c ya alvin On Sun, 11 Jun 2000, Colin Watson wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am a new debian user and i just learned a hard lesson. I guess it is a bad idea to issue the following command: rm -R /usr/ i try to look at the bright side, you know make lemonade and all that, so at least i get a new system as a result of my bonehead mistake. Hopefully i will make different, and yet equally idiotic mistakes in the future. Hmm. Bad luck there. At least it wasn't /, so you get to keep /home. The mind boggles as to how much I'd lose if I zapped that and didn't have backups ...
Re: rm -R /usr/ - undelete....
hi ya... interactive mode for rm -i foo is fine...as long as you don't remove too many files ??? think the trick is if rm -rf /usr is a directory. rm should query you. if you do rm /usr/blah...than just go ahead and don't botheras if -f was specified ??? if you do rm -rf /any_dir as rootalias it ??? ... a simple aliase rm -i drives me nuts... and too lazy to type rm -f too and better still if you can find a usable/workable undelete programeven better... - long ago found something that works only for small files/dirs - oh welll...too many possibilities.just have a good backup/recovery/undelete system in place...that will get you up and running within the hour... c ya alvin On Sat, 10 Jun 2000, S. Salman Ahmed wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 JIS == Jacob I Stowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: JIS hello i am a new debian user and i just learned a hard lesson. JIS I guess it is a bad idea to issue the following command: JIS JIS rm -R /usr/ JIS JIS i try to look at the bright side, you know make lemonade and JIS all that, so at least i get a new system as a result of my JIS bonehead mistake. Hopefully i will make different, and yet JIS equally idiotic mistakes in the future. JIS JIS thanks for listening, i just needed to vent. JIS One way to reduce the likelihood of sth like that from happening again is to alias rm to rm -i which puts rm in interactive mode. That way rm will prompt you for everything but at least it will remind you whether or not you really should go ahead. Its not foolproof, however, since you could still type rm -f or rm - -fr which will override the interactive mode ... Be esp. careful when logged in as root. - -- Salman Ahmed ssahmed AT pathcom DOT com http://www.pathcom.com/~ssahmed GnuPG Key fingerprint = A6DB 6C85 DE5A 33BB E873 E437 58B2 09CD 977B 900B -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.5 and Gnu Privacy Guard http://www.gnupg.org/ iD8DBQE5QuQRWLIJzZd7kAsRAqIQAKDCk6ep7HVLsbpR2Za97TJgd/4suwCeOzI6 QIcQnoYVQrQHTW3Q8/D8Nw8= =qM9X -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Sendmail not receiving mail
I reinstalled sendmail and it all works fine now. Thanks, -S-
gpm locks up blackbox
Why would blackbox have a problem with gpm? I removed it and everything works fine, but I'm just curious about the conflict. ( the wm would come up OK, but the rodent wouldn't work.) Later, Dave
Re: The Thrill of Debian Gnu/Linux
Colin Watson wrote: John McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As soon as I got a base system working, I updated my sources.list and used apt-get update. It failed after retreiving the pkg files with an E: message that some package names were too long. Presumably, my 2.1 slink CD has a version of dpkg or something that has some kind of path length limitation. I don't see anything obvious in the changelog, but I might be missing something; it's worth asking debian-testing about this (in case it's a bug in potato too). I had the same thing happen, I made a clean wipe (I got all twisted up with helix) and tried to apt-get update to unstable and I got an error saying something about a package name being to long. After going to frozen then to unstaable the error didn't occur. The first time I upgraded to frozen I got kernel-image-2.2.12 automgically, but that didn't happen this time. Is the kernel version for potato still up in the air? snip Later, Dave
