Re: Let Sunbeam Tech know Case Mod products with Bin Laden are not welcome
On Sun, Mar 07, 2004 at 08:37:34AM +, stephen parkinson wrote: might have something to with standing in front of a bullseye target ring Or a halo. If this was 1997, it would be funny. It ain't now. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Let Sunbeam Tech know Case Mod products with Bin Laden are not welcome
On Sun, Mar 07, 2004 at 12:50:33AM -0800, Nano Nano wrote: On Sun, Mar 07, 2004 at 08:37:34AM +, stephen parkinson wrote: might have something to with standing in front of a bullseye target ring Or a halo. If this was 1997, it would be funny. It ain't now. Crosshairs might have made it funny. Regardless, it's just too wierd. It doesn't belong in Frys. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbies! please check this out - http://www.aboutdebian.com/
On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 09:02:00AM +, Anthony Campbell wrote: On 03 Mar 2004, xucaen wrote: Today I found an amazing web site! why this is not listed anywhere on the debian.org web page I can not say but this has more information than I could ever have wished for! I urge all newbies to check it out!! But they'd better not do it with Firebird; the site crashed this quite reliably for me. I could reach it with dillo however and I told them about the crash. No crash here Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7b) Gecko/20040225 Firefox/0.8.0+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what app includes 'startx' command
On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 12:05:52AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 01:57:31PM -0800, MJ Inabnit wrote: What application includes the startx command? xserver-xfree86, IIRC. You can find out for sure on http://packages.debian.org/ or dlocate -S startx -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
emms
This is just plain wrong: Description: The Emacs MultiMedia System EMMS is the Emacs Multi-Media System. It tries to be a clean and small application to play multimedia files from Emacs using external players. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Gigabit Ethernet switch using Linux?
On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 05:06:10PM -0800, Mike Fedyk wrote: Hi guys, I've been looking at prices for a managed gigabit Ethernet switch, and thought the prices are a bit up there... :-/ Was going to refer you to the $99 Netgear gigabit 5-port switch at Frys (outpost.com), until I saw the $1395 Netgear Managed gigabit 12-port switch. I have a neighbor who is very knowledable, so I know it can be worth it -- but can you succinctly explain why? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ghost-like programs for Linux platform
On Mon, Mar 01, 2004 at 11:01:55PM -0500, Roberto Sanchez wrote: j smith wrote: ghost for Windows can copy files in an partition exactly. is there any Linux programs similar to ghost? Systemimager. It also supports making configuration I use partimage to backup and restore my NTFS/XP partitions from Linux on the same box. I also use Knoppix CD which has partimage and mount NFS partitions to restore remote boxes. One of the coolest things about ghost was its multicast support, an absolute must if you are doing a server farm. Our very expensive Cisco routers had problems doing multicast across vlans, so we had to move the ghost server into the vlan segment of the farm we were restoring. But it reduced the time to restore a farm of 5 servers by an order of magnitude. Those image files will fill up a 100mbit segment quickly. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
what does xlibmesa-dri provide?
I'm running XFree 4.3 from SID with the FGLRX drivers from ATI. My OpenGL is working *very* well. Obviously a non-tainted kernel would be preferable, but framerate is God. Would xlibmesa-dri provide (1) additional, (2) alternate, or (3) orthogonal functionality? Is it the open source OpenGL-enabler I've heard about? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: howto serialize tasks in .xsession
On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 02:09:17AM -0500, Gregory Seidman wrote:
... A better
way is to use a spinlock wrapped around lsof or netstat right after the
gnome-settings-daemon call (note that calling it without any arguments
works at least as well):
#...
gnome-settings-daemon
GSDPID=$!
while lsof -u$USER | awk 'BEGIN { found = 0; }
($2 == '$GSDPID') ($8 ~ /orbit-'$USER'/) { found = 1; next }
END { exit found }'
do
sleep 1
done
sleep 1
#...
This works. Thanks!
I'll grok it later.
I never really understood awk (still don't); it's nice to have a useful
example.
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howto serialize tasks in .xsession
I run a hybrid desktop: gnome-control-center is installed, but not metacity. Fluxbox is my WM; but I remove gnome-session as a Session Manager so I have No Session Manager. Here is my .xsession: #!/bin/sh ARGS=--hide-menubar --window-with-profile=Default #gnome-control-center gnome-settings-daemon --oaf-activate-iid=OAFIID:GNOME_SettingsDaemon --oaf-ior-fd=21 xscreensaver -nosplash kdeinit gbuffy #xmms gnome-terminal $ARGS --geometry=80x25+1+22 gnome-terminal $ARGS --geometry=95x25+582+22 gnome-terminal $ARGS --geometry=80x40+1+418 gnome-terminal $ARGS --geometry=95x40+582+418 exec fluxbox As you can see, I used to run gnome-control-center synchronously, and would double-click the Font applet, which would wake up the Gnome settings and make themes and junk work. But I noticed what it runs is gnome-settings-daemon so I just run that directly. The problem is I have to run gnome-settings-daemon, gbuffy, and gnome-terminal all in the background, because only the final task (exec fluxbox) can block. The problem is if gbuffy or gnome-terminal starts before gnome-settings-daemon, themes and various gnome-ish things are broken. It's a classic race conditions. How can I serialize the tasks? Remember, none can block. gnome-settings-daemon doesn't return. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: howto serialize tasks in .xsession
On Sat, Feb 28, 2004 at 11:55:44PM -0500, Greg Folkert wrote: On Sat, 2004-02-28 at 18:50, Nano Nano wrote: I run a hybrid desktop: gnome-control-center is installed, but not metacity. Fluxbox is my WM; but I remove gnome-session as a Session Manager so I have No Session Manager. Here is my .xsession: #!/bin/sh ARGS=--hide-menubar --window-with-profile=Default #gnome-control-center gnome-settings-daemon --oaf-activate-iid=OAFIID:GNOME_SettingsDaemon --oaf-ior-fd=21 xscreensaver -nosplash kdeinit gbuffy #xmms gnome-terminal $ARGS --geometry=80x25+1+22 gnome-terminal $ARGS --geometry=95x25+582+22 gnome-terminal $ARGS --geometry=80x40+1+418 gnome-terminal $ARGS --geometry=95x40+582+418 exec fluxbox Break them out to a script with a sleep statement. That way it'll non-block. Changes would be something like: Ug, what a gruesome hack, but it works. For what its worth, putting a blocking sleep 1 right after the gnome-settings-daemon is enough time for it to init itself, because nothing else heavyweight has started yet. It'll probably fail periodically, sleeping always does. Even if you sleep 10 seconds, murphy's law says something's going to block it 10 seconds! (It always happens). The strange thing is gnome-settings-daemon spits out some debug output when its ready (apparently to stdout or stderr) but if you try to redirect them it doesn't. I thought I could block looking for that output, but it's tricky. Anyway, thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Re: Emergency braking and bird anatomy [was: Re: DVD copying and CSS]
On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 12:03:53AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: Both are bad -- one way cars have to cross in front of you, the other way you block visibility for people turning left to the right of you. Nobody should be next to you in the lane. Yes, people coming from the right turning left through the median: === /-- 3 - MEDIANMEDIAN 2 / MEDIANMEDIANMEDIANMEDIAN MEDIANMEDIAN ^ 4 MEDIANMEDIANMEDIANMEDIAN ^. ^ . ^. ^ ^ .^ . ^= | v : 1^ | | : ^ | You start at (1) and cross the first two lanes because that is clear. Then you wait at (2), because cars are coming through the right. Car coming from (3) is going to turn left, but now has to wait because traffic is coming from his right, so he waits at (4). If the intersection is sufficiently narrow, both of you block each others view and traffic stacks up. Smart intersections will have a bit of a merge lane here so you can get out of each others view. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Where can I find Centrino Drivers?
On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 12:31:31AM -0800, Jake Johnson wrote: Hello All, I am looking for centrino drivers for my laptop. Anyone have any ideas where I can find support? http://infoworld.com/article/04/02/25/HNlinuxdriver_1.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DSL problem (possibly OT)
On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 11:34:24PM -0500, Chris Metzler wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 20:31:32 -0500 Mike M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On a final note, my DSL service sucked. Broadband on cable is _much_ better. YMMV. Yeah, MMDV. It's all the providers, and what they provide. Here, I HEART my DSL, and you couldn't pay me to switch to cable. But OTOH, I have friends in NYC where cable is a much better option. Speakeasy is the best for ISP, or so I've been told. I'm here in Mountain View, CA, heart of Silicon Valley, in a 30-year old apartment building with absestos, lead paint, (but great neighbors), and ROUND phone jacks. I'm like 300 FEET from the C.O. When he was setting it up, the installer was salivating: he said you are SO going to love this service, you are so close, it's going to rock. Apparently the quality of the wiring in my building is so shitty that it went from most-best-quality-it's-going-to-be-perfect to it-barely-even-worked-at-250k-second. Cable is much better, even at $55/mo it's expensive but it's better. They upped it to 3.0 MB/sec down and I get it at 4am when I'm up anyway. But if you are in a good place with good wiring get speakeasy. From what I hear they let you run whatever kinds of servers you want. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Emergency braking and bird anatomy [was: Re: DVD copying and CSS]
On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 02:16:32PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote: [snip] bike week Hey, when you're done with that heavy-consumption-of-technology recreation you can play some centrifugal bumble puppy and a round of electromagnetic golf at the Charing T. I like to ride my bicicyle out on the trail by the bay. Sometimes when it rains I slip on the leaves and skin my knee. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: google or debian-user?
On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 02:39:29PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: of RTFM. Am I to understand that instead of using the debian-user list that I should use a search engine? It's unclear from your rant what you are actually upset about. The answer to this question is no -- but google indexes debian-user as well, you know. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Re: Emergency braking and bird anatomy [was: Re: DVD copying and CSS]
On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 07:59:08PM +, stephen parkinson wrote: actually i think this used to be reccommended behaviour at traffic lights, but doesn't seem to be the norm now :-( to do this, it needs some cooperation from the on-coming stream of traffic, aka intelligence :-) The guidelines for bicyclists are posted at your DMV. For instance, in California: http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/hdbk/pgs55thru57.htm#bike For left turns at 4-way itersections, 2 lanes in each direction: Bicyclist gets in center of left lane, goes in front of cars, goes to back to right side of right lane after turn. For straight ahead, bicyclist goes to left edge of right lane, and crosses over lane through the intersection, back to the right edge after. In both cases, cyclist blocks car's traffic. I used to wonder if the cops would give me a ticket for not obeying the bicycle rules in heavy traffic. Other day, I got my answer: I saw a cop pull over a guy on a bike. Fortunately I read the rules. In my car I'm still unclear what to do in this situation: === - ---CARS- = = XMe? Me?X = == - - = = |Me | | | When I'm waiting to turn left on a median, do I wait on the left edge or the right edge? Both are bad -- one way cars have to cross in front of you, the other way you block visibility for people turning left to the right of you. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Re: Emergency braking and bird anatomy [was: Re: DVD copying and CSS]
On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 01:00:10PM -0800, Nano Nano wrote: When I'm waiting to turn left on a median, do I wait on the left edge or the right edge? Both are bad -- one way cars have to cross in front of you, the other way you block visibility for people turning left to the right of you. I called the DMV. The answer is left. Keep left when turning left, always. You'll block the view of people turning left where you just came from -- but that's correct. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT moz-firefox's cookperm.txt is now hostperm.1
FYI:
CVS builds of moz-firefox have changed the cookperm.txt file to a
hostperm.1. I don't know about you, but I've built up my cookperm.txt
file over the past year with a wonderful list of blocked cookie and
images hosts -- and I back it up, because I've already blocked
everything *I* need blocked.
This bit of perl will translate your old cookperm.txt to the new format:
$T[0]='cookie';$T[1]='image';
$C{'T'}=1; $C{'F'}=2;
printf # Permission File\n;
printf # This is a generated file! Do not edit.\n\n;
while (chomp ($x=)) {
if ($x =~ /^([^\t]+)\t([01])([TF])\t?([01]?)([TF]?)$/) {
printf host\t%s\t%s\t%s\n, $T[$2], $C{$3}, $1;
if ($5) {
printf host\t%s\t%s\t%s\n, $T[$4], $C{$5}, $1;
}
}
}
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Re: jpeg to mpeg or avi
On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 12:11:57PM +0200, Gustavo Halperin wrote: Hello I need any program for make a 'mpeg' or 'avi' movie from 'jpeg' pictures. Do you people know some program for do it? Thanks Gustavo -- http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/menc-feat-enc-images.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: jpeg to mpeg or avi
On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 11:50:07AM +0100, Øyvind A. Holm wrote: I got very good results by using http://ffmpeg.sourceforge.net/ Strange, because Mplayer *uses* ffmpeg. Sounds fishy. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: jpeg to mpeg or avi
On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 01:39:50PM +0200, Gustavo Halperin wrote: -mf on is deprecated, use mf://files instead Exiting... (error parsing cmdline) Do you understand what is the problem??? Yes. Unfortunately, the syntax changed between 0.9 and 1.0pre. I use the command: mencoder mf://*.jpg -mf fps=25 -o ../output/$dt.avi -ovc lavc to turn motion-detect time-lapse pics from my security camera into movies. The fps means I can watch 8 hours of pics in about 3 minutes. Use fps=3 if you don't want them to fly by. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Car Talk (wma9 stream) on Debian system?
On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 09:42:14PM -0500, Carl Fink wrote: The streams are visible at http://cartalk.cars.com/Radio/Show/Audio/200408/wms/CT0408-SHOW.asx. Any suggestions? -- Same behavior here. It's either updated codecs that mplayer doesn't support or maybe the server expects a cookie. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CD-rom references from Lilo
On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 01:59:11AM +0100, John L Fjellstad wrote: I'm not an expert, so I'll try to answer the best I can. At my place (Sony VAIO laptop), the cdrom didn't get recognized at all unless I had that line in there. Looking at the ide.txt file in Documentation directory of the kernel, it seems to indicate that 'normally' the system should recognize the cdrom automatically. If it doesn't, you have that add the '=cdrom' there. So, the short answer, there might be a difference, but it depends on your hardware. Thanks, great answer. My ATAPI EIDE CDROM, DVD-ROM, and DVD+/-RW drives (yes, I have three in my PC) all most definitely work without any =cdrom lines. They are just faster at ripping with the ide-scsi, even under 2.6. (I expect a future cdparanoia upgrade will fix that). So the question is: what mode are these things in if they aren't in the ide-cd mode or ide-scsi mode. Probably this is an ignorant question asked by one in ignorance :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DVD copying and CSS
On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 04:21:25PM -0800, Curtis Howland wrote: Like civil forfeiture, copyright has been abused. That abuse should be resisted by everyone. Long live CSS. Oy. Listen, dead horse, I'm beating it, but there is a phenomenon in psychology called rationalization: I cannot internalize to myself the possiblility that I might be a bad person, therefore I will define not me as not good, thus I must be good. In reality in life the truth is manifold and complex, and all are right and wrong. The thing that disturbs me about your position is the I am right and I am crusading aspect. It is important to internalize one's own wrongness and own one's own shadow. I advocate BEHAVING exactly as you behave but not THINKING as you think. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CD-rom references from Lilo
On Sunday 22 February 2004 12:09, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where in 2.4.x, you would do hdc=ide-scsi in /etc/lilo.conf, you would do hdc=cdrom in 2.6.x Q: Is putting hdc=cdrom equivalent to not putting anything at all? I.e., will ide-cd get loaded by default? (I tried this and my kern.log looked the same...) Q: The same CD track takes :19 seconds with hdc=cdrom or nothing and :15 seconds with ide-scsi to rip with cdparanoia (2nd time through; to warm first). cdparanoia recommends using ide-scsi for faster ripping; should I expect this to continue to hold true in Kernel 2.6? [I asked q2 in [EMAIL PROTECTED] and am waiting for an answer] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stolen debian logo?
On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 10:09:18PM -0500, David Clymer wrote: What makes it Free is an accompanying license which grants an individual freedom to use the item in question (software, logo, etc) under certain conditions. Ug. Listen, you're right and everything, but Freedom and you can only use it under certain conditions should not be used in the same sentence -- you are debasing the language. I know all about Absolute Freedom and its limits (the term here would be Public Domain) but you really shouldn't call that Free as in Freedom. Please don't soapbox me, I know what you're going to say. I would call it Responsibility Software because use it responsibily is a more precisely correct definition. Freedom means freedom to abuse as well as freedom to use correctly. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DVD copying and CSS
On Sat, Feb 21, 2004 at 09:19:46PM -0800, Vineet Kumar wrote: [snip] movies on our computers. If they make it illegal for us to watch them, why would we buy them? It just doesn't add up. ...But it probably does add up for Congress. Of course, in that case, what's adding up is the Hollywood lobbyists' donations in their pockets... Well, crap, I'll be the first one to come out and admit that I pirate stuff. If I want it, I'll do it. Just like if I want to smoke pot, I do it (although I haven't touched it period in 6 years, except for 2 trips to Amsterdam and at two concerts). Similarly, with piracy, if I want to do it, I do it -- but I don't do it wholesale, I don't make money off it, I don't encourage any 13 year olds to do it (cough Napster cough). I'm a grown adult who in various small ways makes a conscious choice to violate certain laws, in a non-harmful way. This occurs at many levels in society (5 miles over the speed limit). The distinction is: DO YOU HARM ANYBODY. Dig? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Unable to mount cdroms in linux 2.6.3
On Fri, Feb 20, 2004 at 10:41:36AM +0100, Joris Huizer wrote: Can anybody tell me how to make the cdrom work again /without/ SCSI emulation in place? ide-scsi in enabled in lilo.conf; edit that and rerun lilo or you can leave it on and run ln -s /dev/scd0 /dev/cdrom -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AW: Bonjour - WAY WAY OT!
On Fri, Feb 20, 2004 at 05:27:02AM -0500, Antonio Rodriguez wrote: I have heard that joke too. There is a similarity between the Russian technology and the French technology. The west was surprised when the Russians put the sputnik in the skies. When taken care of can be amazingly powerful and good. This is related to the abstract thinking versus hands-on, concrete thinking. Compare books in higher mathematics written by French, Russians, Germans, American, British, etc. A pattern can be seen. I recently learned a lot more about the connections between German culture and White Russian (i.e. Beloruss? and Moscow). During the Tatars / Mongols -- 1000s, it was all sort of one thing. I knew up until the very late 1800s there was no such concept as Italy or Germany -- only the concept of Italianess or Germanness. But, to your point, are you claiming that French technology is good ? I've no opinion, but you seem to say Russian and France tech. is similar, and you say Russian is good. I guess I agree about Russ. tech. In college I read math texts in Russian, French, and German as well as English -- once you learn a few terms you can follow even if you can't read the language proper. While I would definitely say one's mathematical education would be woefully incomplete without reading all those books, I didn't see any superiority between any culture in terms of maths, or types of maths. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AW: Bonjour
On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 08:11:13AM -0800, Troy Truchon wrote: Heck america isn't even english only, despite what many claim. Sadly I never learned quebecois as my father never picked it up. It never was. Back in the 1700s the most common language was German. Today the official languages of USA are English and Spanish. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AW: Bonjour - WAY WAY OT!
On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 10:39:44AM -0700, s. keeling wrote: Incoming from Marty Landman: At 02:37 PM 2/18/2004, s. keeling wrote: Of course, there's a lot of people from where I'm from who would dispute the suggestion that English is spoken anywhere in the US. Heh. Just shows how jealous they all are of what we've managed to do with it since taking it over 200+ years ago. :) As in KMart, Kwikee-Mart, Walmart, KTel, garnished [sic] wages, and PATRIOT Act? :-P Doh! I swear to Christ, when I was in France, I said to myself: PLEASE GOD PLEASE get me back to my land of 500 channels of pablum, my 24-hour Walmart, my drivethroughs, my land of fakeness and commercials and wackiness, because I can't stand this 3rd-world country any more! I felt like I'd stepped ten years into the past, in terms of technologies and creature comforts. But that's just me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Congratulations
On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 10:37:09PM -0800, mal icous wrote: Simply put the installation of Debian Woody can be at best be describbed as painfull. In fact so painfull i Try Sarge. bootable etc. My complaint with that is - that i already had existing partitions, and Debians installer noted thism but it did not allow me to specify which directories needed to be mounted where. i.e. /dev/sda1 = /var, /dev/hda1 = /boot etc etc Mount an existing Linux partition To compound this this crap the key strokes / key squences to get whatever dependences installed drive me batsh1t and then mistakingly - after doing about 500 packages press enter at the worng time - and without confirmation (no going back either) the installation starts. Yeah. It sucks. Don't install any package during setup except via tasksel. After setup, run apt-get install aptitude, and use that. It's better. Debian was a lot harder than Mandrake or Redhat or Suse. Everything that just worked over there required active learning on my part. It took me 1 month and about 15 clean do-overs to figure out how to get all the eyecandy and all my hardware going. Eh. Whatcha gonna do. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CLI
On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 04:13:22PM -0500, David T-G wrote: What about a switch with a 1 and 0? From what I've read of you so far it would obviously be 'turned on' :-) Do yourselves a favor and stop this patheticness. I'm cringing just reading it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CPU-intensive periodic processes, e.g. xscreensaver-gl
I've overclocked my 3.2Ghz to 3.68Ghz with proper but extremely loud CPU fan. [1]. My goal is to lever let my heatsink temp. exceed 53 celsius [2]. It idles at 36C. Ordinary load generates temps in the low 40s: disk and network load - not much, bzipping tar etc. - relatively more. Heavy load (kernel compiles and OpenGL) generates the real heat. Long story short: Fan very loud - heavy load @ 50C, fan reasonably loud - heavy load @ 52C, fan quite quiet - heavy load @ 54C-55C. Low temps can be maintained equally at all these volume levels [3]. I can sleep near a quiet PC and be confident that it will never go above the mid-40s as long as heavy loads aren't unexpectedly generated. xscreensaver-gl is the first to go. I really need to know: what sorts of tasks could just run by themselves that would likely lead to heavy CPU loads? (aside from the obvious like [EMAIL PROTECTED]) The tantalzing aspect is the difference between very quiet and reasonably quiet : both do typical just sit there tasks cool, but the tradeoff is equalling vs. slightly exceeding a safety margin vs. a noticeable decrease in sound. [1] 230 mhz bus, 14% increase. Kernel compile time went from 6:11 to 5:20, a 14% increase. It's worth the trouble. I've done extensive burn-in testing: it's stable at 3.76 (235 mhz) in Windows but Linux will either (1) kernel panic at 1.75 volts or (2) issue thermal_interrupts at 1.775 volts. I have been very dilligent and done *a lot* of testing, so I believe I've done it safely. I intend to switch to water-cooling to get it to 4Ghz if I can find a company who will install it for me, and I've done sufficient research to feel comfortable about that: it's easy for the coolant to leak. [2] 53C will be reported on the heatsink edge when 61C is reported by the CPU core to the bios. The difference is less at lower temps. The system is rated to 69C: 60C is the default alarm level for Asus's Windows utilities. [3] But not turned down all the way (1300 RPMs): it will then idle *very hot* e.g. 56C. 3000-4000 RPMs is pretty quiet. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CPU-intensive periodic processes, e.g. xscreensaver-gl
On Tue, Feb 17, 2004 at 01:11:04AM -0800, Nano Nano wrote: xscreensaver-gl is the first to go. I really need to know: what sorts of tasks could just run by themselves that would likely lead to heavy CPU loads? (aside from the obvious like [EMAIL PROTECTED]) In my effort to be brief, I forgot to say that I will only keep the fan running quietly while I sleep: I will of course be doing CPU-intensive tasks while I'm using it, and will turn the fan up. I just want to be able to sleep without worrying that it's going to go haywire on its own. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CPU-intensive periodic processes, e.g. xscreensaver-gl
On Tue, Feb 17, 2004 at 01:11:04AM -0800, Nano Nano wrote: [1] 230 mhz bus, 14% increase. Kernel compile time went from 6:11 to 5:20, a 14% increase. It's worth the trouble. A separate subthread to preemptively answer the nay-sayers: I benchmarked it non-overclocked vs. overclocked with the fan at full speed (6400 RPMs): 45C (std) vs. 50C (clocked). I didn't measure temps with under load with the stock fan (wish I had), but I expect it was something like 48C (instead of the ~52C I get overclocked at reasonably loud ~ 4000RPM) speeds. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CPU-intensive periodic processes, e.g. xscreensaver-gl
On Tue, Feb 17, 2004 at 02:31:35PM +0100, Christian Schnobrich wrote: As for 'unexpected' tasks, look at /etc/cron.* (daily, monthly, etc). Will do. As I understand it, you sleep almost on top of the machine and want it to keep running 24/7. Why you want to do this is none of my business, but apparently you won't do much number-crunching. Heh, fair enough zinger. However I don't think you appreciate how loud one of these overclocker's fans (Thermaltake Xaser Spark 7) @ 6400 RPMs actually is: imagine a hairdryer. Just sleeping in the same room (even on the other side of the room is difficult). I've figured out what to do: I enabled cpufreq/p4-clockmod and enabled the powersave governor, like for laptops. I underclock the overclocked machine while I sleep. Now I can turn the fan down to quite quiet (3000 RPMs) and compile hte kernel at 46C (before it was 55C). So I can sleep peacefully. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CLI (was Re: cdparanoia a song in negative space)
On Tue, Feb 17, 2004 at 06:18:27PM +, i'll teach you to turn away. wrote: Monique Y. Herman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MYH On 2004-02-17, i'll teach you to turn away. penned: i'm not sure you could handle me. http://tinyurl.com/ail9 MYH Unfortunately, too much slashdot/irc/gaming exposure has taught me to be MYH suspicious of all obscured links. no worries. http://www.bmezine.com/tattoo/A00803/high/lishback-c.jpg i also have a DooM tattoo, speaking to the FPS reference later in the thread. MYH Now, *that's* hard-core. Nah, hard-core was my ex-wife's 666 tattoo. You know the Jews say you can't get into heaven if you mark your body. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FYI, non-gl xscreensavers are CPU intensive too
A few of the non-opengl xscreensavers are heat-generators as well -- e.g., XFlame. Most are not. I looked at /etc/cron*, nothing in there is going to generate much heat. I'm going to file a bug against xscreensaver: it should be split into low-usage and high-usage packages. I expect laptop users as well as overclockers would want to install only the low-usage ones. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tom Ballard, Microsoft shill and list troll... (was Re: ..OT: todo list)
On Tue, Feb 17, 2004 at 02:11:35PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: on Sat, Feb 14, 2004 at 05:10:22AM -0800, Tom Ballard, Microsoft Shill wrote: On Sat, Feb 14, 2004 at 04:25:48AM -0800, Nano Nano wrote: Like I said, after going through about 30 examples this year of the Left actiing all passionate and final over such a range of issues, I think I see through them -- it's all pretty shallow. Pluses of the right: Your inability to post intelligently, on topic, or with restraint has earned you not only a place in my killfile, but my spamlist. Karsten, please do that. I've no wish to speak to you either. Please, please, please filter me. You're an insufferable pain in the ass. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CLI (was Re: cdparanoia a song in negative space)
On Tue, Feb 17, 2004 at 06:06:29AM +0800, csj wrote: On 16. February 2004 at 5:47PM +, Antony Gelberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 10:17:15AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: On 2004-02-16, Ken Gilmour penned: On Mon, 2004-02-16 at 16:38, David T-G wrote: What?!? A girl who uses the command line? That's even rarer than a guy who uses the command line (hard enough to find these days). Marry me! [Admittedly, there might be some problems with my current wife.] In 2001 I met (saw is more accurate) the a hottie blonde chick who was really into FreeBSD and Open source. She was a manager-type at a dot-com here in the Bay Area -- what struck me is because I heard her talking about something, and she was really knowledgable and into it. We need more of that! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Holy Shee-it
http://infoworld.com/article/04/02/13/HNlinuxoffice_1.html That's a wierd story. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Something horribly broken in Sid's debconf
I just noticed that in debconf questions I can't arrow up/down, but I can tab and enter. I tried rolling back to the previous version of debconf but that didn't fix it. This repros on 2 PCs. I tried rolling back gettext/whiptail/libnewt that got updated in Sid a couple days ago -- no joy. I am now rolling back to the pacakges I had installed on 2/10 to see if that fixes it. I have no idea what package is broken. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Something horribly broken in Sid's debconf
On Sun, Feb 15, 2004 at 03:23:56AM -0800, Nano Nano wrote: I just noticed that in debconf questions I can't arrow up/down, but I can tab and enter. I tried rolling back to the previous version of debconf but that didn't fix it. This repros on 2 PCs. I tried rolling back gettext/whiptail/libnewt that got updated in Sid a couple days ago -- no joy. I am now rolling back to the pacakges I had installed on 2/10 to see if that fixes it. I have no idea what package is broken. it's libnewt0 -- I'll file a bug -- look out! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Something horribly broken in Sid's debconf
On Sun, Feb 15, 2004 at 10:38:23AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sun, Feb 15, 2004 at 03:23:56AM -0800, Nano Nano wrote: I just noticed that in debconf questions I can't arrow up/down, but I can tab and enter. I tried rolling back to the previous version of debconf but that didn't fix it. This repros on 2 PCs. Have you used reportbug(1) yet? Yes, it was in libnewt0.51, and the maintainer released a new version to fix it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to install Debian with Promise FastTrak 376 chip onboard?
On Sun, Feb 15, 2004 at 06:42:56PM +, Antony Gelberg wrote: Please don't CC me. It's in my sig and it's list policy. It's your fault. Your mail includes the header: Mail-Followup-To: Antony Gelberg [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] which makes Mutt's list-reply function add you to the CC. The header should like this: Mail-Followup-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Considering what a rude, rude response you posted, I'm certainly glad to point you it's on you babe. http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=enlr=ie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8threadm=JIxNb.34286%24ZuL1.19485%40twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.comrnum=1prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dp4c800%2Bbank%2B0%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26selm%3DJIxNb.34286%2524ZuL1.19485%2540twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com%26rnum%3D1 Funny, I just hit e in Mutt, which I see you're using, and it unwraps itself just find. I found your reply unsatisfactory and have no wish for a further reply from you. Have a nice life. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to install Debian with Promise FastTrak 376 chip onboard?
On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 01:07:54AM +, Antony Gelberg wrote: All correct, what a plum I am. Except for this. I asked not to be CC'd. You CC'd me. The fact that your MUA uses Mail-Followup-To: does not remove your obligation to check that the To: field of an email that you send is correct. A lot of people on the list don't use Mutt, and manage to get the reply correct even without the benefit of Mail-Followup-To:. I don't think list policy mentions correct setting of follow ups, desirable though that may be. FWIW, I have been aware of this for some weeks and do plan to correct it when I get a moment. Your lack of preparation is not my cause for concern. The simple fact is if your MUA wasn't using established standards (insofar as Mutt follows established standards) to indicate that you do indeed desire a CC on your reponse, you wouldn't be getting them. I'm doing my part by hitting list-reply. I'm have all SIGs blocked, because I don't care to read anybody else's philosopy or contact info: don't put info in there that must be read. You really are the limit. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ..OT: todo list
On Sat, Feb 14, 2004 at 04:25:48AM -0800, Nano Nano wrote: Like I said, after going through about 30 examples this year of the Left actiing all passionate and final over such a range of issues, I think I see through them -- it's all pretty shallow. Pluses of the right: -lower my taxes, stay out of my head -make criminals nervous Minuses of the right: -harder to score dope because the dealer's connection is nervous -tend to like to drink alchohol A LOT: if there's one thing I can't stand it's a guy who drinks a lot and tells me drugs are bad for me Pluses of the left: -easier to score dope because the criminals know they aren't going to get prosecuted -don't have to hear about how shitty life is from hollywood for 4 years Minuses of the left: -tend to enourage lots of hey! you're gay! type-of moments (you remember the nineties) -raise my taxes -when they sell out and go corporate, they do it so poorly -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Macromedia Director 8: .dxr files in Linux
A CD I got in a magazine has a lot of .dxr files on it. These are Macromedia Director 8. I can play Shockwave Flash in Mozilla. Does anybody know how to play them in Linux? (A quick search on google and l.d.o suggests the answer is you can't). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: compiling the kernel
On Sun, Feb 15, 2004 at 12:13:05AM -0600, Brian wrote: I want to be able to turn some options off and on in the kerenl so how do i compile the kernel in a debian system??? install kernel-package with apt-get and then use make-kpkg -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to install Debian with Promise FastTrak 376 chip onboard?
On Fri, Feb 13, 2004 at 08:38:03AM +0100, Danny wrote: Hi Nano Nano, to supply a floppy during setup is no problem. There in the Debian 3 installer is an option Preload modules from disk. And that is all I ask for, the modules (binary device drivers for Promise FastTrak 376), so that I can put it on disk, that the Installer detects my Promise FastTrak 376 controller. all I ask is that if you figure it out you tell me too -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to install Debian with Promise FastTrak 376 chip onboard?
On Sat, Feb 14, 2004 at 02:24:28AM +, Antony Gelberg wrote: I came in a bit late here. Have a look on my site - http://www.antgel.co.uk/compsci/linux/promise_raid.shtml. This has the Promise driver module built against 2.4.18-bf24. I have a 376 on my motherboard, but its disabled [1]. Currently I have a Promise Ultra TX 133 in there. There were problems in 2.4.18's Promise drivers fixed in 2.4.20, which is why you have to do the long convoluted process referenced in: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/debian-user-200401/msg05141.html Any chance of a backported Ultra TX 133 driver that could just be put on a floppy like this? - [1] I have an Asus P4C800-E with an onboard SATA/RAID controller. If I don't disable it I get memory errors with Microsoft's Memory Diagnostic tool (http://oca.microsoft.com/en/windiag.asp), and lockups when playing Freedom Fighter. memtest86 reports no errors! The errors are in Bank 0, even when you switch the chips, or if you put the chips in Bank 1 and 3 the errors are always in Bank 1. I found this: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=enlr=ie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8threadm=JIxNb.34286%24ZuL1.19485%40twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.comrnum=1prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dp4c800%2Bbank%2B0%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26selm%3DJIxNb.34286%2524ZuL1.19485%2540twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com%26rnum%3D1 which says I should disable it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fonts, one more time
On Thu, Feb 12, 2004 at 02:50:24AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What does it take to fix this problem? One month of solid work (that's what it took me to get all my hardware and eye candy working). Debian's stable philsophy means Stable predates many useful and pretty things. I expect the next release will look pretty out of the box. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to install Debian with Promise FastTrak 376 chip onboard?
On Thu, Feb 12, 2004 at 03:21:25PM +0100, Danny wrote: I have difficulties to install Debian 3 on my MSI K7N2G motherboard with Promise FastTrak 376 chip onboard. Standard Install and also 2.4 Kernel (BF24) doesn't recognize the harddisk controller. Unfortunately Promise supports only Suse and RedHat. Any hints / tips tricks are greatly appreciated. I was stumped by this for the longest time but it's cake. http://ttul.org/~rrsadler/linux-promise/ Search lists.d.o for promise I put my 2.4.24 .config file that will fit on a boot floppy here: http://home.comcast.net/~40208.nospam/config.bf24-24.gz Here are some random tidbits, follow the web page: - download bf24 root and rescue floppy - create 2.4.24 kernel with .config above: make dep bzImage - mount rescue floppy, replace linux.bin with arch/i386/bzImage (rename to linux.bin) - boot from rescue floppy, continue with root floppy [you'll have to select the steps manually during setup] - execute shell, mkdir /cdrom, mount cdrom on /cdrom - configure hostname and network: i had to use static ip for some reason - install kernel from mounted, /cdrom - install base system from mounted, /cdrom - kernel 2.2.20 will be installed, so system won't start on reboot, so - following the install reboot, boot off rescue floppy, and boot rescue /dev/[rootpart] - mount rescue floppy - copy /floppy/linux.bin /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.24-rescue - rm /vmlinuz, ln -s /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.24-rescue /vmlinuz - run lilo -- now you can boot off the HD - install a real kernel, now you can boot off Linux and LinuxOld enjoy ! the process is a lot like having to hit F6 during Windows Setup with the promise disk, except Linux is Nicer! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: eth0/eth1 which one?
On Thu, Feb 12, 2004 at 10:40:11AM -0800, Lars Jensen wrote: I have two network cards on my machine How do I tell which one is eth0 and which one is eth1 ? Thanks, Lars. ping something and look at the link lights -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Taking notes
On Thu, Feb 12, 2004 at 12:21:08PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: on Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 10:59:57PM +, Jonathan Matthews ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Fairly OT for d-u, but I'm wondering what people use to take notes for courses. Stiff-backed, three-hole drilled, microperf, narrow-ruled yellow 8.5x11 pad, Uni-Ball rollerball pen, blue ink. Lefties like me get ink or lead all over the sides of our hands when we do that. On a related note, left-handed == right-brained == visual, non-linear thinker which is why I find all standard PIMs maddening. I've tried several tools like Concept mapping but they don't account for a visual right-brainer who also has a rigorous mathematical structural concept of the correct -- they just think if you can smear your thoughts all over the place you'll be happy. The thing I wrote myself is making me happy. Any other seriously left-handed people have any insights? I've thought about this a lot. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to install Debian with Promise FastTrak 376 chip onboard?
On Thu, Feb 12, 2004 at 10:26:52PM +0100, Danny wrote: Hi Nano Nano, thank you for your posting, but I'm an absolute Linux beginner. I have installed only Windows, so I can't compile a new kernel, as I have no Linux avaiable. All I need is for the installation some binary driver that the Debian 3 R2 installer detects my FastTrak 376. well, if you figure out how to just supply a floppy during setup, post it here and let me know. There is an option to add a floppy driver disk, in theory you could do it. I never could figure that out, until I read the instructions I gave you there. I'm not sure if 2.4.18 supported promise but it just wasn't selected in the .config. anybody know? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt cache obese?
On Thu, Feb 12, 2004 at 06:16:31PM -0500, Roberto Sanchez wrote: If you regularly use apt-get (instead of dselect, aptitude, or synaptic) it stores all the downloaded packages and does not delete them. The other front ends either delete them immediately after installation or prompt you. aptitude does neither deletes them nor prompts me to delete them. I have a script to move the .debs from there into a local mirror, then dpkg-scanpackage creates a Packages file referencing only the most recent versions. I then archive the non-referenced debs (the replaced ones) into a directory named by date and time. Local mirror and snapshots for rollback. Braindead easy! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: eth0/eth1 which one?
On Fri, Feb 13, 2004 at 11:46:58AM +0800, Shaddy.Baddah wrote: Finally! Thank you Jan. Some of the suggestions are pretty convenient, like dmesg, which should give you the vendor details, but that would break down if they are the same vendor. And considering this is the absolute correct way, some of the other suggestions are a little long way around types. Never forget the power of the link lights. Flashy things am nice. Back in 1994 our network cable ran over some flourescent lights, and down the wall near our little boombox. You could hear network packets travelling on the wire by the pattern of static in the radio. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
how do I file a bug against a virtual package?
Somehow I ended up with wcatalan and not wamerican on my system. I have bsdmainutils which suggests and xscreensaver which recommends the virtual package wordlist, and wcatalan was selected to fulfill that dependency. I remember I used to be prompted if I wanted wamerican or wamerican-large, but I'm not sure how I ended up like this. I had a Woody CD which I upgraded to Sid and then installed xscreensaver with aptitude. (a) how did this happen, (b) was it misconfiguration on my part [i.e., I deliberately ended up like this] and (c) if not, what package do I file a bug against? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to tell if anything evil lurking in an .xls file?
On Thu, Feb 12, 2004 at 02:52:53AM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote: All along there is no tool to view all of what's inside an .xls file in cleartext or whatever. All I can use is less(1). All I can do is trust that other programs are doing the right thing inside their black boxes. There is no total dumper that shows what is going on in every part of the .xls file. Both .doc and .xls files are OLE Structure Storage documents, which are minature file systems: they contain any number of streams stored in a hierarchical fashion. Each stream has a name, a type (I think it's numeric or can be a string?), and a sequence of bytes. All files will contain a version info stream for which there is a pubic spec. There are also several streams of various types, the main document stream, various revision streams, some bookkeeping streams, and the VBA code (the nastiness) in a stream. The hard part about importing those docs is interpreting the document streams, as that spec isn't public. But it should be easy to enumerate the streams and tell if any are the VBA type. I am making unsubstantiated assertions here but I believe data and code streams are separate, and VBA streams can be readily identified by name or type. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: saving .debs to their original name
On Thu, Feb 12, 2004 at 01:43:36AM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote: Why? It might change, and you don't need it. apt-get --print-uris gives you the URI and the filename. Since you have both, you can either use wget's -O to put it in the right place when downloading, or rename things to the correct filename afterwards. In http://jidanni.org/comp/apt-offline/index_en.html I was thinking of using wget -i on e.g., the unfamiliar Windows environment, where I might not have all that flexibility. Or maybe I needn't worry about renaming, anyway e.g. if I were to use dpkg-scanpackages later. Therefore, if why apt-get --print-uris gives alternative names were documented, we might better understand the dangers of saving to the original names. However, I cannot submit http://bugs.debian.org/231776 Like I said in an earlier reply, the epoch is the part for which the URI doesn't the file name, so the rename script I posted strips out the escaped epoch part. $ apt-cache show gcc-3.3 | grep-dctrl -sVersion . Version: 1:3.3.3-0pre3 ^^^ The URL where this version may be downloaded is: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gcc-3.3/ gcc-3.3_3.3.3-0pre3_i386.deb ^^^ Notice the epoch is simply missing in the URL. When you apt-get install it, the epoch will be present, aka gcc-3.3_1%3a3.3.3-0pre3.deb, by simpling stripping [0-9]%3a your resulting .debs will match the URIs, and it'll just work. I see now the flaws with this are (a) files from multiple epochs but with the same version would clobber each other and (b) I assume that epochs 10, it only replaces a single digit. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Comcast has IPv6, when will Debian?
On Wed, Feb 11, 2004 at 08:11:07PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: I got an email from them telling me that they gave us more bandwidth and to powercycle the modem. So I did. And now I've got an ip6 address in ifconfig on eth0. I haven't gotten an email, but in the last three or four days my bandwidth has gone up considerably (~ 280KB/sec - 300-500KB/sec). My hardware firewall obviously still hands out a regular IP address. Will I need a new device? Does IPv6 go over the same ethernet cable? What's the deal? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: a2ps borders problem after upgrade
On Wed, Feb 11, 2004 at 09:12:33PM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2004 at 10:58:16PM -0500, Petr Vanek wrote: i am trying to find out what happened with a2ps in unstable. recently after upgrade it does not react to command line switches like --borders=no , so i always print borders and headers even i don't want to. i suspect changes in config files, but am unable to find the new way of setting it up - neither on local man/doc files or a2ps homepage. There is no new way... as you'll note if you actually bother to look at the BTS, there are numerous bugs filed since the maintainer uploaded a broken CVS version and then effectively disappeared. IMHO Sarge shouldn't release with this mess in it, but I'm not the release manager. Step back to the non-CVS version and you'll be fine. You think you need to be running unstable, so you know how to do that, right? I sent the maintainer and debian-qa emails a while ago asking them to just revert to the N-1 version in sid and put this horribly broken one in experimental or something. I'm getting tired of keeping it on hold since September. Can't a DD simply snag the N-1 version from snapshot.debian.net and fix it? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ntfs partition thinks its reiserfs, sorta
hde1 was my ntfs partition hde2 was my reiserfs / debian partition I accidentally copied an old fstab that had: # file system mount point type options dump pass /dev/hde1 / reiserfsdefaults0 0 from when debian was on hde1! Now partimage thinks the partition is reiserfs. file -s doesn't think its a reiserfs mount will mount it as ntfs I can boot into XP fine, NT thinks its fine, I ran chkdsk, I ran XP repair console chkdsk, fixboot, fixmbr, and even Repaired Windows. Why does partimage think its reiserfs? Would it have written a backup table somewhere? Is the information cached somewhere? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ntfs partition thinks its reiserfs, sorta
On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 11:35:59PM -0800, Nano Nano wrote: hde1 was my ntfs partition hde2 was my reiserfs / debian partition I accidentally copied an old fstab that had: # file system mount point type options dump pass /dev/hde1 / reiserfsdefaults0 0 from when debian was on hde1! Now partimage thinks the partition is reiserfs. file -s doesn't think its a reiserfs mount will mount it as ntfs I can boot into XP fine, NT thinks its fine, I ran chkdsk, I ran XP repair console chkdsk, fixboot, fixmbr, and even Repaired Windows. Why does partimage think its reiserfs? Would it have written a backup table somewhere? Is the information cached somewhere? Even after I quick reformatted the XP partition and reinstalled Debian partimage still thought hde1 was ReiserFs! I found out why: when I did the fstab mistake the string ReIsEr2Fs was written at 0x10034-0x1003C of hde1 (magic @ offset 64*1024+52). This is free space to NTFS, so chkdsk didn't catch it. Changing the R to 00 lets Partimage fail the test in src/client/misc.cpp::CReiserPartdetect, so it falls back to NTFS. Apparently cfdisk and mount detect reiserfs differently because they weren't confused. Anyway, back to your lives -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT as hell: Many Globalizations
Just let this one slide by, it'll be the only of its kind: Twice in earlier emails I praised the book Many Globalizations by Berger and Huntington. Those were just the chapters by Asian writers (China, Taiwan, Japan, India) and Germany. The chapters by Chilean, South African, and American authors were purely awful and propaganda. Thank you. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
fetchmail with multiple accounts
I have seven different email accounts at Comcast.net, all used for various purposes. At the comcast level I have mail forwarded / don't leave a copy for six of the emails to the primary email. Then I use fetchmail to deliver the mail to my local user spool. It's efficient and easy (only poll one pop account), get all mail in one fell swoop, but it's impossible to tell which of the seven emails spam with forged headers was orignally delivered to -- comcast doesn't add any headers when it does its internal forwarding. I'm thinking what I need to do is stop the internal forwarding at comcast and have fetchmail poll each pop account seperately. Can I configure fetchmail or exim to add a header so I can still deliver all the mail to the same spool? If not, should I create bogus user accounts with shell=/bin/false and just give RW permissions to my account on their spools? Thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fetchmail with multiple accounts
On Tue, Feb 10, 2004 at 10:59:10PM +0100, Philipp Weis wrote: man fetchmail --tracepolls (Keyword: tracepolls) Tell fetchail to poll trace information in the form ???polling %s account %s??? to the Received line it gener??? ates, where the %s parts are replaced by the user???s remote name and the poll label (the Received header also normally includes the server???s truename). This can be used to facilate mail fil??? tering based on the account it is being received from. Snap [1]! I guess I'll still have to stop the internal forwarding at comcast because it doesn't modify the headers then. Is anyone aware of the issues I'm describing with their ISP and can suggest a workaround? Here's some headers with my account names obfuscated: Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by linux with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1AqhCE-Tv-00 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 15:21:38 -0800 Received: from mail.comcast.net [204.127.198.10] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-6.2.4 polling mail.comcast.net account [MY-PRIMARY-COMCAST-ACCOUNT]) for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (single-drop); Tue, 10 Feb 2004 15:21:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from murphy.debian.org ([146.82.138.6]) by rwcrmxc16.comcast.net (rwcrmxc16) with ESMTP id 20040210232059r1600d3nsre; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 23:21:00 + X-Originating-IP: [146.82.138.6] Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by murphy.debian.org (Postfix) with QMQP id 0E5B6F04A; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:20:44 -0600 (CST) [etc] What you don't see in there is a header describing the transfer from 40208.nospam to [MY-PRIMARY-COMCAST-ACCOUNT]. _ [1] Snap is my new favorite catchphrase. I think it's related to hearing my math prof use the phrase crisp to describe a good solution. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to tell if anything evil lurking in an .xls file?
On Tue, Feb 10, 2004 at 06:57:54PM -0500, Adam Aube wrote:
On Tuesday 10 February 2004 05:02 pm, Dan Jacobson wrote:
But if I convert it to .cvs format, all the =... formulas of the
spreadsheet are lost. All I am left with is just a snapshot of what
it looked like on the face of it.
Ok. I have another idea, then.
You could save it in the native format of Gnumeric or OpenOffice.org Calc,
then convert it back to xls.
That will likely strip out any nastiness hiding in the original xls file.
You know you can set Security Level = {Medium,High} in Office right?
High = don't run nastiness
Medium = prompt about potential nastiness
I think it would be safer to save the files as the ancient Lotus 1-2-3
format.
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Re: how to tell if anything evil lurking in an .xls file?
On Tue, Feb 10, 2004 at 07:22:18PM -0500, Adam Aube wrote:
On Tuesday 10 February 2004 07:11 pm, Nano Nano wrote:
You know you can set Security Level = {Medium,High} in Office right?
Yes, but I was trying to give the OP a solution he could implement on his
end. He probably can't control the macro settings the recipients of the
file have.
I think it would be safer to save the files as the ancient Lotus 1-2-3
format.
Perhaps, though the OP may have the same problem as with CSV - loss of
essential content.
When I worked at Microsoft I read some Office internal planning
documents that said that 90% of spreadsheet users overwhelmingly use
them for entering a paged-sized grid of numbers and making a bar chart.
That said, the MS-internal accounting mananagment type folks would
present some a-f*cking-mazing spreadsheets, all linked to ERP data and
with the most amazing formatting you've ever seen. !!!
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Re: fetchmail with multiple accounts
On Tue, Feb 10, 2004 at 02:58:01PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: You can poll as many accounts as you'd like and dump them all to the same spool file. Fetchmail doesn't care. But maybe I don't understand your question properly, as you talk about adding a header, and I don't see why you would want this ... I learned that you can specify multiple users per sever in .fetchmailrc in fetchmail's manpage: [begin] It's possible to specify more than one user per server (this is only likely to be useful when running fetchmail in daemon mode as root). The `user' keyword leads off a user description, and every user speci- fication in a multi-user entry must include it. Here's an example: poll pop.provider.net proto pop3 port 3111 user jsmith with pass secret1 is smith here user jones with pass secret2 is jjones here keep [end] Does this mean that polling multiple accounts from the same server will make only a single connection and is therefore roughly no more expensive than forwarding all the same mail to a single account? In particular, if you have ssl for all users, will a single SSL session be established? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fetchmail with multiple accounts
On Tue, Feb 10, 2004 at 03:33:29PM -0800, Nano Nano wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2004 at 10:59:10PM +0100, Philipp Weis wrote: man fetchmail --tracepolls (Keyword: tracepolls) Tell fetchail to poll trace information in the form ???polling %s account %s??? to the Received line it gener??? ates, where the %s parts are replaced by the user???s remote name and the poll label (the Received header also normally includes the server???s truename). This can be used to facilate mail fil??? tering based on the account it is being received from. Snap [1]! http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=156094 makes this less useful -- it only works for the first user in a multiple-user-per-server stanza. Bug has been open upstream for 1.5 years. Should I have separate server stanzas? Will that result in multiple server connections and ssl sessions? Would that happen with multiple-user-per-server stanzas anyway? [Yes, this is the second time I asked same question in few minutes] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Buying a new computer, questions!
On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 06:55:06PM +, M.Kirchhoff wrote:
Nano Nano 40119.nospam at comcast.net writes:
This low-latency ram is supposed to be nice. All my games play
extremely well but Doom 3 is about out.
Under Windows? I'm still tethered to XP for certain games that do not work under
WINE. Always interested in tips from those who've mastered the frustrating art
of gaming under Linux. I'm glad to see a trend toward multi-platform releases,
though. For example, the next version of Unreal will be released for Windows,
Linux, and Mac...
Yes, I still use Windows XP for Games, writing my resume, and filing my
taxes. However, I use Linux for e-Government, online banking, and
managing my investment portfolio (such as it is), querying my library
record with some perl scripts, and things.
Longhorn will ship around 2006. I changed my XP partition to the new PC
for games, but I mostly use Debian on it. My old PC now runs Windows
2000 from with an old MSDN valid key that I (legally) have. I use it
with my Creative Digital VCR and to serve files, I *would* use Linux but
DVCR doesn't work in Linux.
Longhorn will ship in 2006. It will be interesting in the state of
Linux as to whether or not I feel compelled to purchase it at full
retail price. Hopefully in 2 years I will have left Microsoft behind
completely.
I went ahead and bought the new P4 3.2 and it overclocks to a 3.36 (5%).
My PC4000 does 5 MB/sec on a SiSoft Sandra memory benchmark -- its
capacity is 5.6 MB/sec, but you have to use a 2.4 or 2.6 overclocked to
a 3.2 to get that kind of speed. It's plenty fast.
Linux kernel 2.6.2 compiles in 6 minutes, which is roughly 100% faster
than the P4 1.7. abcde/cdparanoia/flac fly. Mplayer and Fire{bird,fox}
compile 100% faster. Openoffice finally starts in reasonably quickly!
Totally worth it!
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Re: dual boot debian Windoze, need advice
On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 01:06:38PM -0700, Paul E Condon wrote: So what do I put in the Windoze stanza of lilo.conf to make boot program load Windoze? And is there a reasonable hope that Windoze can be made to think that the slave drive is C:? Or will it do this automatically? In my experience, when Windows is on anything other than the first partition of the primary master HD, the results are unpredictable and event-sequence dependent. 98 will walk the bios chain and the first dos-readable partition becomes C:. NT/W2K/XP have completely different algorithms for assigning driver letters during setup and post setup. The number of permutations for failure modes for NT is stochastic. In other words: don't f*cking bother. Or, am I crazy to be contemplating this? TIA -- Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
using packages from experimental
I installed XFree86 4.3 from experimental. Will it update itself whenever a newer 4.3 is uploaded? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
a bit (asus!) confused about i2c and lm-sensors
I have an ASUS P4C800. I have 2.6.2 kernel. I wish to see my CPU and Mobo temps (and ideally fan speeds) like Asus PC Probe shows in Windows. (1) Which of the following should I have installed? $ apt-cache search sensors|i2c i2c-source - sources for drivers for the i2c bus libsensors2 - Library to read temperature/voltage/fan sensors lm-sensors-source - Kernel drivers to read temperature/voltage/fan sensors (source) eep24c - read and write serial I2C eeprom devices gdesklets - an advanced architecture for desktop applets gdesklets-data - displays and sensors for gdesklets ksensors - lm-sensors frontend for KDE libglui2c102 - GLUI, a C++ GLUT based GUI library - runtime support libprelude-dev - Hybrid Intrusion Detection System [ Development files ] libprelude0 - Hybrid Intrusion Detection System [ Base library ] libsensors-dev - Lm-sensors development kit lm-sensors - Utilities to read temperature/voltage/fan sensors phpgroupware-phpsysinfo - phpGroupWare phpSysInfo module prelude-lml - Hybrid Intrusion Detection System [ Log Monitoring Lackey ] prelude-manager - Hybrid Intrusion Detection System [ Report Manager ] prelude-nids - Hybrid Intrusion Detection System [ Network sensor ] sensord - Hardware sensor information logging daemon smartcard - A smartcard utility for Linux wmgtemp - Temperature sensor dockapp for Window Maker wmsensors - WindowMaker dock applet for lmsensors xml-rpc-api2cpp - Generate C++ wrapper classes for XML-RPC servers. xsensors - A hardware health information viewer (2) Which of the following should I have set in the kernel? $ egrep -i sensor|i2c /boot/config-2.6.2 # I2C support CONFIG_I2C=y CONFIG_I2C_CHARDEV=y # I2C Algorithms # CONFIG_I2C_ALGOBIT is not set # CONFIG_I2C_ALGOPCF is not set # I2C Hardware Bus support # CONFIG_I2C_ALI1535 is not set # CONFIG_I2C_ALI15X3 is not set # CONFIG_I2C_AMD756 is not set # CONFIG_I2C_AMD8111 is not set # CONFIG_I2C_ELV is not set # CONFIG_I2C_I801 is not set # CONFIG_I2C_I810 is not set # CONFIG_I2C_ISA is not set # CONFIG_I2C_NFORCE2 is not set # CONFIG_I2C_PARPORT_LIGHT is not set CONFIG_I2C_PIIX4=y # CONFIG_I2C_PROSAVAGE is not set # CONFIG_I2C_SAVAGE4 is not set # CONFIG_I2C_SIS5595 is not set # CONFIG_I2C_SIS630 is not set # CONFIG_I2C_SIS96X is not set # CONFIG_I2C_VELLEMAN is not set # CONFIG_I2C_VIA is not set # CONFIG_I2C_VIAPRO is not set # CONFIG_I2C_VOODOO3 is not set # I2C Hardware Sensors Chip support CONFIG_I2C_SENSOR=y # CONFIG_SENSORS_ADM1021 is not set CONFIG_SENSORS_ASB100=y # CONFIG_SENSORS_EEPROM is not set # CONFIG_SENSORS_IT87 is not set # CONFIG_SENSORS_LM75 is not set # CONFIG_SENSORS_LM78 is not set # CONFIG_SENSORS_LM83 is not set # CONFIG_SENSORS_LM85 is not set # CONFIG_SENSORS_LM90 is not set # CONFIG_SENSORS_VIA686A is not set CONFIG_SENSORS_W83781D=y CONFIG_SENSORS_W83L785TS=y # CONFIG_I2C_DEBUG_CORE is not set # CONFIG_I2C_DEBUG_BUS is not set # CONFIG_I2C_DEBUG_CHIP is not set (3) What should I do then? -Thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?
On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 02:34:07AM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Thorsten Haude wrote: Funny you see it that way. For years Mutt's feature list was copied to the other clients todo list almost verbatim. Funny? That would kind of be the definition of a tech. demo. Look, this is neat and can do cool stuff but it is incapable of doing anything serious or interesting unless the end user or some third party spends an inordinate amount of time to make it passingly usable. Yup, that's mutt years ago, that's mutt today and because of the lousy attitudes of the programmers that will be mutt years from now. You're making tons of statements that just apply to you. I like mutt. I can make it think like me. It doesn't feel like a box. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?
On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 02:44:57AM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Nano Nano wrote: You're making tons of statements that just apply to you. I like mutt. I can make it think like me. It doesn't feel like a box. Oh, I can get mutt to work but only with a few hours of work. The same amount of work that would take me maybe 20m on a complette client. www.dotfiles.com It was a piece of cake for me. I think the 3rd or 4th dotfile I looked at was perfect for me in terms of trash can, sent folder, headers, colors, and identities. I was actually pretty shocked. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: saving .debs to their original name
On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 09:36:50AM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote:
Say, apt-get dist-upgrade --print-uris makes lines with URL FILE SIZE MD5.
What are the bad things that might happen if I just use wget to get
the URLs, without using the FILEname? I intend to use
dpkg-scanpackages later.
Hopefully the URLs are OK on Windows and CDROMs too, which I might
need to use for downloading (-- too little bandwidth at home.)
The only thing I've noticed is the colons (:) in epochs get changed to
%3a when the .deb ends up in /var/cache/apt/archives.
for x in *%*; do mv $x ${x/[0-9]\\%3a/}; done
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Re: a bit (asus!) confused about i2c and lm-sensors
On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 06:40:26AM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote: On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 01:08:40 -0800, Nano Nano wrote: I have an ASUS P4C800. I have 2.6.2 kernel. I wish to see my CPU and Mobo temps (and ideally fan speeds) like Asus PC Probe shows in Windows. [snip] The first thing you should do is run sensors-detect to determine which modules you'll need. You'll have to install lm-sensors-source and compile the modules for your kernel. I think I'm having problems because I'm having problems with modules in general in kernel 2.6 series. Almost everything I used to use with hotplug has to be compiled in, which hotplug now warns about. I tried just enabling everything i2c-related in the kernel as a built-in, but the kernel then hanged on startup. I have module-init-tools installed. What's wrong with me and modules in 2.6? # make-kpkg --added-modules=i2c modules-image [snip] make[3]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/src/linux-2.6.2/include/linux/modversions.h', needed by `kernel/i2c-pport.d'. Stop. # make-kpkg --added-modules=i2c modules-image [fails with same error] # egrep -i module|versi .config # Loadable module support CONFIG_MODULES=y CONFIG_MODULE_UNLOAD=y CONFIG_MODULE_FORCE_UNLOAD=y CONFIG_MODVERSIONS=y # sensors-detect [snip] BIOS vendor (ACPI): ACPIAM System vendor (DMI): To Be Filled By O.E.M. BIOS version (DMI): 080009 [snip] Probing for PCI bus adapters... Use driver `i2c-i801' for device 00:1f.3: Intel 82801EB ICH5 [snip] Load `i2c-i801' (say NO if built into your kernel)? (YES/no): FATAL: Module i2c_i801 not found. [snip] i2c-dev is not loaded. Do you want to load it now? (YES/no): FATAL: Module i2c_dev not found. [snip] Couldn't open /proc/bus/i2c?!? at /usr/sbin/sensors-detect line 3970, STDIN line 4. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Taking notes
On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 10:59:57PM +, Jonathan Matthews wrote: Any suggestions? Would a custom (v.v.v.v. simple) DTD be an idea? What emacs packages let me input the notes into a valid XML file adhering to my simple DTD in a pointy-clicky sort of way? Is this not the way forward? XML is the way to go. I wrote my own client: http://home.comcast.net/~40208.nospam/pim.png with a bunch of keyboard shortcuts. Emacs would probably have been superior, but I don't like emacs. I tried every other PIM-, list-maker, or database-frontend in Debian and gave up and wrote one that works the way I want it. It's great for 1mb structured databases. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Knoppix is Not Debian
On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 08:05:15PM -0800, Dale Welch wrote: ---dale ---it is ok to have no rules... so long as everyone follows the rules Evey asks: All this riot and uproar, V...is this anarchy? Is this the land of do-as-you-please? He responds: No. This is only the land of take-what-you-want. Anarchy means 'without leaders'; not 'without order'. With anarchy comes an age of ordung, of true order, which is to say voluntary order. The age of ordung will begin when the mad and incoherent cycle of verwirrung has run its course. This is not anarchy, Eve. This is chaos. -V For Vendetta ordung versus verwirrung -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HOWTO - Speed up IDE HD's
On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 12:47:17AM +, Svens wrote: Svens wrote: hi, here is a vary short HOWTO about speed up IDE Harddisks: open file /etc/init.d/hwtools and insert this lines: if command -v hdparm /dev/null 21; then # insert begin hdparm -c3 -d1 -D1 -k1 -u -X68 /dev/hda # insert end true fi Parameters are: -c3 - use 32bit I/O with write sync -d1 - using dma on -D1 - on-drive defect managment on (hd firmware) -k1 - keep dmu settings over reset on -u1 - umask on -X68 - 64(UltraDMA) + 4(UltraDMA mode 4); good luck svens i forget to set Parameter -u, it's of course -u1 for using UltraDMA mode 5, set Parameter -X to -X69 Thanks nine billion percent. I never grokked hdparm until now. Now I get it -- see what Intel Application Accelerator says in Windows and match the query and match the settings in Linux, following this example. All instructions should be so concise. Thanks! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HOWTO - Speed up IDE HD's
On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 07:57:55PM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 12:07:26AM +, Svens wrote: hdparm suicide deleted Gee, let's turn another cluebie loose with a shotgun, and see if he can zorch his data. Let's not find out what modes his drives actually support, and let's make sure that the kernel can't reset it if it's wrong. Let's unmask interrupts, without finding out if his hardware can deal with it. Let's try to force DMA on, without finding out whether or not his kernel supports his IDE chipset. Never mind that the kernel can do 90% of this on its own, and a wonderful first step should *always* be finding out why it HASN'T. People who write hdparm HOWTOs need to be hung up by their toenails. I've yet to read one that tried to be an even minimally responsible resource. good luck Yeah, he'll need it. To be honest, I tried what he said and got very little speedup. I did try hdparm -c and saw that by default I was doing -c0. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian ... can't get it to install
On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 07:36:35AM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote: KIND : Knoppix Is Not Debian KIND BUD: Knoppix Is Novice Distro Based Upon Debian :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?
On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 03:12:09PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: IE, name me one case where someone would set reply-to where they would not be able to also set From:. I can't think of a single modern email client out of early development where this isn't the case. I can't think of one in the past decade going back to my early days with elm and pine. From: Your Boss Reply-To: His Secretary I would think any case of delegated authority would work here. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Buying a new computer, questions!
I am going to buy a new computer this week (yay Bush tax cuts!) -- will it work with Linux? Intel Pentium 4/ 3.2C GHz 800MHz FSB, 512K Cache, Hyper Threading Technology - Retail Asus 875P Chipset Motherboard for Intel Socket 478 CPU, Model P4C800-E DELUXE -RETAIL Corsair XMS Extreme Memory Speed Series, Low Latency (Twin Pack) 184 Pin 512MB(256MBx2) DDR PC-3200 - Retail (x2 = 1gig) plus a good case will be $960! woot! The other stuff will come over from my old PC. Will Linux be happy with Hyperthreading and this particular Mobo? I'm going to do some googling but I wondered if any could share experiences. Links: CPU: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-116-164catalog=343manufactory=BROWSEdepa=1 Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-131-464depa=1 Memory: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-145-431catalog=147manufactory=BROWSEdepa=1 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Buying a new computer, questions!
On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 01:02:47PM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would consider another MB manufacture, as Asus has had problems with quality of as late. http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=13674 Ok this might effect their AMD line, but do you really trust a MB company which uses only one type of capacitors for only one line? I would much prefer you to have a long lasting computer with your hard earned cash. Also you could save a few dollars by choosing a different MB manufacture. Also do you really need a 3.2 Ghz chip, you could save a bundle on a 2.8 Ghz chip. Also make sure you get a new power supply, if it comes with the case make sure it will be big enough. Antec does a good job with PS bundles with their cases, or I like fortran which powers my dual rig. Otherwise everything looks good, if you went AMD you could save even more money, unless you went 64 which would be about the same. I'm basing my buying decision on Tom's Hardware. His last two reviews on the P4 (3.4 Extreme the Memory Timings one) have been with: Asus P4C800-E Deluxe, Rev. 1.02 Intel 875P Chipset BIOS: 1014 4x Corsiar TwinX CMX256A-3200LL (XMS32005V1.1) 256 MB per DIMM CL 2.0 - tRCD 2 - tRP 2 - tRAS 6 for 133 and 200 MHz FSB That fellow is German, I trust Germans to steer me right in general (I love their sense of ergonomics and design) and this guy in particular seems to give good advice. I don't care (much) about overclocking. The 2.8 is only $60 cheaper, since the 3.4 is out people are dropping prices on the 3.2 (but they're not in stock!). I dunno, I might end up waiting. I currently have a P4 1.7 Willamette (RDRAM-800) from 2001 with a Radeon 9700: it looks like I'll get 50% better framerates in games and 100% faster times encoding MP3s in lame. This low-latency ram is supposed to be nice. All my games play extremely well but Doom 3 is about out. Plus it would be nice to cut down DVD-transcoding and stuff, that takes hours. Anyway, thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Postscript or PDF -- html?
On Sat, Jan 31, 2004 at 11:32:36PM -0800, Bill Moseley wrote: Anyone know of a tool to convert the pdf or postscript to html? http://pdftohtml.sourceforge.net/ ? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A letter for Mr. Darl McBride
On Sun, Feb 01, 2004 at 12:25:25AM -0800, Ivan Torres Jimenez wrote: Mr. Darl McBride President CEO The SCO Group, inc. A Parable: Once there was a year called 1993 and there was a brick-and-mortar store called Egghead. Software was sold on floppies inside shrink-wrapped boxes with stickers to tell if the seal was broken. Wordperfect 5.1 was $395. Peachtree Accounting was $695. As employees of the store, we were allowed to check out one piece of software per day, and return it in the morning. A hairdryer was used to gently separate the sticker without breaking it and retaining its glue-iness. We had a shrink-wrap machine in the back. No one would know we'd made a copy for ourselves. My older friend took it upon himself to possess all software. He bought boxes of blank floppies, and over the course of a year had one of everything. There was no intellectual property we could not have. We were a small community, and as the witches say The Whole Of The Law Be An Ye Harm None, Do As Thou Wilt. Then we used to trade MP3s on UseNet in 1997. I used to suck down 1 Gig per day and burn 2 CDs. My goal was to have 1000 CDs. No one cared. Then Napster came along and ruined it for everybody but letting their 12 year old brother abuse the same power. Power is a real thing. It should not be taken lightly. Do not tempt the wrath of the public perception. Stay in the shadows, and there is nothing you cannot have. Stand in the light and be smited and lose. I guess my point is we are a smart bunch of people and if we stay quiet we can have all we want and no one will bother us. That's all. I've seen bigger movements than this go down. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Need help on postfix [MAILER-DAEMON@desk: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender]
I still just don't know what to do about Postfix. My hostname is desk. My ISP is comcast.net -- should I tell postfix my mail name is comcast.net, so mail appears to come from [EMAIL PROTECTED] from things like popularity contest? I have configured Mutt to use a valid email for the From; how do I do this for Postfix? I'm running Sid just OOB and half my mail is being rejected. - Forwarded message from Mail Delivery System [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Mail Delivery System [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 06:47:07 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Description: Notification This is the Postfix program at host desk. I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned below could not be delivered to one or more destinations. For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the message returned below. The Postfix program [EMAIL PROTECTED]: host smtp.comcast.net[63.240.76.27] said: 550 [PERMFAIL] popcon.debian.org requires valid sender (in reply to RCPT TO command) Content-Description: Delivery error report Reporting-MTA: dns; desk Arrival-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 06:47:06 -0800 (PST) Final-Recipient: rfc822; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; host smtp.comcast.net[63.240.76.27] said: 550 [PERMFAIL] popcon.debian.org requires valid sender (in reply to RCPT TO command) Content-Description: Undelivered Message From: root [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: popularity-contest submission Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 06:47:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] POPULARITY-CONTEST-0 TIME:1075646826 ID:936ee6b88f6b1ce8ccd8c71c1d9a07b4 ARCH:i386 DEBVER:testing/unstable [snip] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: postfix [was Re: Sendmail vs Exim vs Others]
On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 05:39:54AM +0100, Tobias Reckhard wrote: Nano Nano wrote: My first test message to the outside world bounced with: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: host smtp.comcast.net[216.148.227.125] said: 550 [PERMFAIL] comcast.net requires valid sender (in reply to RCPT TO command) exim always added my Sender header for me. I presume comcast is rejecting your email because it doesn't like the hostname given in the HELO/EHLO command. It saying 'comcast.net requires valid sender' sounds like it. What do 'postconf myorigin' and 'postconf myhostname' say? You (or rather comcast) want myorigin to be a hostname that's in the Internet DNS. # postconf myorigin myorigin = $myhostname # postconf myhostname myhostname = desk Should I just change mail name during postfix debconf questions to comcast.net ?? Mail will then appear to come from [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] which are not real emails. It looks like I need to modify virtual(5) or canonical(5) but I cannot grok the examples from postfix-doc. aliases(5) seems to be okay; it's correctly delivering local root mail to my account. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: choice of languages for debian system tool?
On Sat, Jan 31, 2004 at 03:20:43PM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote: aptitude ~sbase aptitude search ~sbase ? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Isolationism is history.
On Sat, Jan 31, 2004 at 02:51:14AM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..the good side of this AFAICT, is my wee linux business will survive another coupla years, before the big landslide of ex-MSCE etc hits. ;-) I was a MCSD thank you :-) I got mine in 1995 on the NT 3.51, VB 3.0, and Access 2.0 route. woot! I'm so leet! I took the blue pill in College when my professor explained to me that one line of Matlab equalled 100 lines of Fortran. He said as long as you write an O(n) algorithm it doesn't matter how bloated it is. Microsoft changed. I didn't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Turn Debian into a Desktop-System what to do
On Sun, Feb 01, 2004 at 07:30:43AM +0100, Alex Fitterling wrote: I know what i want the thing is why can't debian do I wish a desktop system and wish to get rid of cron and all other grab I do not want to see on my system. other distributions can do.. I seen it alex # aptitude purge cron Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree Reading extended state information... Done The following packages will be automatically REMOVED: logcheck logrotate The following packages will be REMOVED: cron logcheck logrotate That doesn't seem to have too much impact. Go ahead and get rid of it. Although apparently these things only plain-jane desktop want cron as well: # find /etc/cron* | cut -d'/' -f4 | sort | uniq bsdmainutils cvs dlocate find logcheck logrotate man-db modutils netkit-inetd .placeholder popularity-contest scrollkeeper standard sysklogd tetex-bin I wonder if they'd break. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Gaim currently broken in unstable?
On Sun, Feb 01, 2004 at 06:31:21AM +, Joseph Jones wrote: I can't get gaim to log into MSN at all, even though the current version is supposed to be able to (I was using a backport when I was on woody a day or so ago). Anybody else having this problem, or know a solution? According to Gnome-Apt, the gaim-common package isn't available and is required by gaim. But then, apt-get tells me that gaim-common is replaced by gaim :S Freaky! I just logged in to Gaim MSN with a hotmail. $ apt-cache show gaim | grep-dctrl -sVersion . Version: 1:0.75-2 I usually stay logged in all day. Sometimes I get kicked off. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: postfix [was Re: Sendmail vs Exim vs Others]
On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 08:19:36AM +0100, Thorsten Haude wrote: What's in the log for this message? from /var/log/mail.log: Jan 29 23:42:00 desk postfix/smtp[4117]: 8AEF514756: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], relay=smtp.comcast.net[204.127.198.27], delay=0, status=bounced (host smtp.comcast.net[204.127.198.27] said: 550 [PERMFAIL] comcast.net requires valid sender (in reply to RCPT TO command)) Here's the text of the bounced message: Reporting-MTA: dns; desk Arrival-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 23:42:00 -0800 (PST) Final-Recipient: rfc822; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; host smtp.comcast.net[204.127.198.27] said: 550 [PERMFAIL] comcast.net requires valid sender (in reply to RCPT TO command) // It apparently wants me to add an Sender header. Mutt doesn't do it. Exim always did it for me, using the form: [Account Full Name] email from /etc/email-addresses matching account I never liked that. I need to tell postfix something to say as Sender. How? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: postfix [was Re: Sendmail vs Exim vs Others]
On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 11:52:13PM -0800, Nano Nano wrote: On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 08:19:36AM +0100, Thorsten Haude wrote: What's in the log for this message? from /var/log/mail.log: Jan 29 23:42:00 desk postfix/smtp[4117]: 8AEF514756: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], relay=smtp.comcast.net[204.127.198.27], delay=0, status=bounced (host smtp.comcast.net[204.127.198.27] said: 550 [PERMFAIL] comcast.net requires valid sender (in reply to RCPT TO command)) Strangeness! I sent the message I am replying to via Postfix (before I remembered to switch back to Exim), and it worked. The message I am sending now will be with Exim. Maybe postfix was working okay after all. The message that bounced was: From: Me [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: test Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 23:42:00 -0800 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1+cvs20040105i Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] bleh //end One worked, one didn't. Probably tripped a virus filter with the test message. So I still need to add the Sender automatically with Postfix, and I don't know how. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
