Re: RFC: What would be the "correct debian way" to clean up unwanted languages from an installation?

2022-11-15 Thread David Wright
On Tue 15 Nov 2022 at 16:37:58 (-0800), David Christensen wrote: > On 11/15/22 00:22, DdB wrote: > > Am 15.11.2022 um 05:21 schrieb David Christensen: > > > I installed the localepurge package.  Storage usage did not change. Then > > > I realized that I had chosen the "C" locale during

Re: RFC: What would be the "correct debian way" to clean up unwanted languages from an installation?

2022-11-15 Thread David Christensen
On 11/15/22 00:22, DdB wrote: Am 15.11.2022 um 05:21 schrieb David Christensen: I installed the localepurge package.  Storage usage did not change. Then I realized that I had chosen the "C" locale during installation, so perhaps there is nothing to be removed (?).  So, I removed the localepurge

Re: RFC: What would be the "correct debian way" to clean up unwanted languages from an installation?

2022-11-15 Thread DdB
Am 15.11.2022 um 05:21 schrieb David Christensen: > I installed the localepurge package.  Storage usage did not change. Then > I realized that I had chosen the "C" locale during installation, so > perhaps there is nothing to be removed (?).  So, I removed the > localepurge package. > > > David

Re: RFC: What would be the "correct debian way" to clean up unwanted languages from an installation?

2022-11-14 Thread David Christensen
On 11/13/22 23:15, DdB wrote: Am 14.11.2022 um 07:16 schrieb Anssi Saari: Charles Curley writes: On Sun, 13 Nov 2022 16:32:51 +0100 DdB wrote: every backup contains loads of unnecessary language files, and i saw them scroll by during rsync. So one day, i wanted to get rid of those. You

Re: RFC: What would be the "correct debian way" to clean up unwanted languages from an installation?

2022-11-13 Thread DdB
Am 14.11.2022 um 07:16 schrieb Anssi Saari: > Charles Curley writes: > >> On Sun, 13 Nov 2022 16:32:51 +0100 >> DdB wrote: >> >>> every backup contains loads of unnecessary language files, and i saw >>> them scroll by during rsync. So one day, i wanted to get rid of those. >> >> You might take

Re: RFC: What would be the "correct debian way" to clean up unwanted languages from an installation?

2022-11-13 Thread Anssi Saari
Charles Curley writes: > On Sun, 13 Nov 2022 16:32:51 +0100 > DdB wrote: > >> every backup contains loads of unnecessary language files, and i saw >> them scroll by during rsync. So one day, i wanted to get rid of those. > > You might take a look at the localepurge package. As I'm a little

Re: RFC: What would be the "correct debian way" to clean up unwanted languages from an installation?

2022-11-13 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Sun, Nov 13, 2022 at 04:32:51PM +0100, DdB wrote: > Would anyone be willing to take a look at what i have been doing and > guide me to a resolution of the missing parts? > > My current (bash) script can be found here: > https://paste.debian.net/1260563/ There is an existing package

Re: RFC: What would be the "correct debian way" to clean up unwanted languages from an installation?

2022-11-13 Thread Charles Curley
On Sun, 13 Nov 2022 16:32:51 +0100 DdB wrote: > every backup contains loads of unnecessary language files, and i saw > them scroll by during rsync. So one day, i wanted to get rid of those. You might take a look at the localepurge package. -- Does anybody read signatures any more?

RFC: What would be the "correct debian way" to clean up unwanted languages from an installation?

2022-11-13 Thread DdB
Hello, every backup contains loads of unnecessary language files, and i saw them scroll by during rsync. So one day, i wanted to get rid of those. What a surprise: doing it in my (rather simplistic) fashion, i got rid of almost 1,5 GB from every buster machine, i had ... only to find, that they

Re: which gui text editor support correct rendering of multiple languages

2022-11-01 Thread tomas
On Tue, Nov 01, 2022 at 04:48:19PM +0100, Nicolas George wrote: > Teemu Likonen (12022-11-01): > > > To the OP: what does entering "locale -a" in a terminal say on your > > > machine? > > And "locale charmap" command too. Hopefully it will print "UTF-8" but if > > it prints "ANSI_X3.4-1968" it

Re: which gui text editor support correct rendering of multiple languages

2022-11-01 Thread Nicolas George
Teemu Likonen (12022-11-01): > > To the OP: what does entering "locale -a" in a terminal say on your > > machine? > And "locale charmap" command too. Hopefully it will print "UTF-8" but if > it prints "ANSI_X3.4-1968" it means ASCII and 7-bit character set. I checked that mousepad and jedit, the

Re: which gui text editor support correct rendering of multiple languages

2022-11-01 Thread Teemu Likonen
* 2022-11-01 16:27:25+0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > To the OP: what does entering "locale -a" in a terminal say on your > machine? And "locale charmap" command too. Hopefully it will print "UTF-8" but if it prints "ANSI_X3.4-1968" it means ASCII and 7-bit character set. -- /// Teemu Likonen

Re: which gui text editor support correct rendering of multiple languages

2022-11-01 Thread tomas
On Tue, Nov 01, 2022 at 03:19:41PM +, Eric S Fraga wrote: > emacs? It shows the é perfectly well, yes (besides, Emacs is the best editor out there, anyway). But, TBH, even vim can do. To the OP: what does entering "locale -a" in a terminal say on your machine? Cheers -- t signature.asc

Re: which gui text editor support correct rendering of multiple languages

2022-11-01 Thread ghe2001
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 --- Original Message --- On Tuesday, November 1st, 2022 at 8:54 AM, jindam, vani wrote: > i copy paste a lot from wikipedia articles. > for example, if i paste "é", it shows garbage. I just tried that paste in LibreOffice, and it

Re: which gui text editor support correct rendering of multiple languages

2022-11-01 Thread Eric S Fraga
emacs? -- Eric S Fraga via gnus (Emacs 29.0.50 2022-11-01) on Debian 11.4

Re: which gui text editor support correct rendering of multiple languages

2022-11-01 Thread Nicolas George
jindam, vani (12022-11-01): > i copy paste a lot from wikipedia articles. > for example, if i paste "é", it shows garbage. > i am using mousepad & jedit. is there any gui > text editor which displays correctly pasted text > with different languages? i am on de

which gui text editor support correct rendering of multiple languages

2022-11-01 Thread jindam, vani
i copy paste a lot from wikipedia articles. for example, if i paste "é", it shows garbage. i am using mousepad & jedit. is there any gui text editor which displays correctly pasted text with different languages? i am on debian bullseye. regards, jindam, vani toots: @jindam_v.

Re: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want

2019-10-21 Thread Mark Rousell
I probably shouldn't prolong this thread but... Maybe this cartoon will help: https://blog.toggl.com/save-princess-8-programming-languages/ More seriously, I was recently asked which languages to learn and I wrote up a list of what I thought was important. See below. On 18/10/2019 03:33

Re: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want

2019-10-20 Thread deloptes
Dan Ritter wrote: > deloptes wrote: >> SQL, Python, PERL, C/C++, JAVA. I wonder why I did not see PHP ... but >> well. > > For about a decade, PHP was the province of people who copied > scripts from Matt's Script Archive and didn't know what security > holes they were creating. > > Sometime in

Re: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want

2019-10-20 Thread Dan Ritter
deloptes wrote: > SQL, Python, PERL, C/C++, JAVA. I wonder why I did not see PHP ... but well. For about a decade, PHP was the province of people who copied scripts from Matt's Script Archive and didn't know what security holes they were creating. Sometime in the last five years or so, the PHP

Re: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want

2019-10-20 Thread Dan Ritter
John Hasler wrote: > Joe writes: > > Spend an hour or two with the job advertisements (which is what the OP > > needs to do) to see the enormous range of what employers *think* they > > want, and this is what the young ladies in HR will definitely require > > of an applicant. > > Especially

Re: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want

2019-10-19 Thread Thomas D Dial
On Sat, 2019-10-19 at 09:46 -0500, John Hasler wrote: > deloptes writes: > > SQL comes everywhere handy... > > SQL is certainly handy, but I don't consider it a programming language > (likewise HTML). About 20 years ago I wrote and tested a match-merge update program with (as I remember) the

Re: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want

2019-10-19 Thread mick crane
On 2019-10-19 08:11, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Have a nice day :) cheers mick -- Key ID4BFEBB31

Re: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want

2019-10-19 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 19 October 2019 08:38:15 John Hasler wrote: > Joe quotes: > > "If you think you need to use floating point, you don't fully > > understand your application." > > Right. There isn't anything you can't do with bignum. > > I wrote software for control systems using cpus such as the RCA

Re: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want

2019-10-19 Thread Joe
On Sat, 19 Oct 2019 15:34:06 +0200 deloptes wrote: > Joe wrote: > > > And it's not so much fundamental languages as the buzzwords, the > > frameworks, 'agile' programming, AJAX, and things like proprietary > > CMS (C for both content and customer) systems. Nobody

Re: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want

2019-10-19 Thread John Hasler
C++, Python, or some other > newer language. There are highly optimized and thoroughly debugged scientific and engineering libraries written decades ago in FORTRAN. These are often used in programs written in much newer languages. It's hard to justify porting them because they work so well

Re: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want

2019-10-19 Thread Thomas D Dial
400) > > > > RPG/400 (both OPM and ILE) > > > > CL (on AS/400s; it's like a shell script, only compiled). > > > > Java > > > > I've forgotten just about all the SmallTalk I ever learned. > > > > I can get by in SQL. > > &

Re: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want

2019-10-19 Thread John Hasler
deloptes writes: > SQL comes everywhere handy... SQL is certainly handy, but I don't consider it a programming language (likewise HTML). If you *do* consider HTML a programming language the crawling horrors that most Web sites send out make the worst BASIC spaghetti balls look like something out

Re: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want

2019-10-19 Thread Richard Owlett
On 10/19/2019 08:26 AM, deloptes wrote: [SNIP] SQL comes everywhere handy, because you have to store the data somewhere - but still there is difference between Oracle, MySQL/MariaDB or sqlite. Each one has its advantages and disadvantages - and SQL for the one is likely not compatible with SQL

Re: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want

2019-10-19 Thread deloptes
Joe wrote: > And it's not so much fundamental languages as the buzzwords, the > frameworks, 'agile' programming, AJAX, and things like proprietary CMS > (C for both content and customer) systems. Nobody ever asks for basic > programming skills. You are sooo right, but one mus

Re: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want

2019-10-19 Thread deloptes
binary languages. SQL comes everywhere handy, because you have to store the data somewhere - but still there is difference between Oracle, MySQL/MariaDB or sqlite. Each one has its advantages and disadvantages - and SQL for the one is likely not compatible with SQL for the other, though SQL i

Re: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want

2019-10-19 Thread John Hasler
Joe quotes: > "If you think you need to use floating point, you don't fully > understand your application." Right. There isn't anything you can't do with bignum. I wrote software for control systems using cpus such as the RCA 1802. You can do a lot more with 8 bit integers than seems possible

Re: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want

2019-10-19 Thread John Hasler
Joe writes: > Spend an hour or two with the job advertisements (which is what the OP > needs to do) to see the enormous range of what employers *think* they > want, and this is what the young ladies in HR will definitely require > of an applicant. Especially amusing are the ads that demand five

Re: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want

2019-10-19 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Joe wrote: > "If you think you need to use floating point, you don't fully > understand your application." +0.9 Have a nice day :) Thomas

Re: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want

2019-10-19 Thread Joe
On Sat, 19 Oct 2019 11:09:06 +0200 "Thomas Schmitt" wrote: > Hi, > > John Hasler wrote: > > > FORTRAN on 1620s and 370s, > > Joe wrote: > > Seriously? BASIC worse than Hollerith strings? > > 212H Of course you don't do string processing in FORTRAN. It's for > problems which you can solve

Re: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want

2019-10-19 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, John Hasler wrote: > > FORTRAN on 1620s and 370s, Joe wrote: > Seriously? BASIC worse than Hollerith strings? 212H Of course you don't do string processing in FORTRAN. It's for problems which you can solve by representing everything as homogeneous coordinates and then computing the result

Re: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want

2019-10-19 Thread Joe
On Fri, 18 Oct 2019 17:34:57 -0500 John Hasler wrote: > I guess some people who started with BASIC do eventually recover. > And then you say: > FORTRAN on 1620s and 370s, Seriously? BASIC worse than Hollerith strings? It was 45 years ago, but I still remember... -- Joe

Re: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want

2019-10-19 Thread Joe
On Fri, 18 Oct 2019 22:50:29 +0100 Brian wrote: > > > Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want > > Nobody has answered the question yet. > Because there isn't an answer. Spend an hour or two with the job advertisements (which is what the OP n

Re: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want

2019-10-19 Thread deloptes
> Turritopsis Dohrnii > > Jellyfish. Hard to grasp. > > >  How long will it take > > Where's that piece of string? > > > Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want > > Nobody has answered the question yet. It was in the survey - this whole thread was teaser to go and read the survey.

Re: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want

2019-10-19 Thread deloptes
sest you are allowed to get to a true assembler language > on an AS/400) > > RPG/400 (both OPM and ILE) > > CL (on AS/400s; it's like a shell script, only compiled). > > Java > > I've forgotten just about all the SmallTalk I ever learned. > > I can get by in

Re: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want

2019-10-19 Thread deloptes
rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > Never did much Perl, but I think anything (well, not sure about obfuscated > C) is more readable than APL. I am not sure if it makes sense to compare a modern car engine with one constructed 150y ago.

Re: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want

2019-10-19 Thread Thomas Schmitt
ot;overloading or inheritance. Encapsulation and aggregation" > mean in programming context Object orientation is a design pattern for programming. Invented already in the 1950s, it long time carved a miserable existence in let-the-machine-burst languages like Simula or Smalltalk. In th

Re: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want

2019-10-18 Thread Ben Caradoc-Davies
On 18/10/2019 15:33, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: This is just a quick survey. May I know what programming languages do you know? I am considering being a programmer or developer. How long will it take for me to master a programming language like C++, Java, and Python? Mastery

Re: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want

2019-10-18 Thread rhkramer
On Friday, October 18, 2019 06:33:19 PM Jeremy Nicoll wrote: > Perl is a whole lot more readable than APL. Never did much Perl, but I think anything (well, not sure about obfuscated C) is more readable than APL.

Re: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want

2019-10-18 Thread James H. H. Lampert
nly compiled). Java I've forgotten just about all the SmallTalk I ever learned. I can get by in SQL. The more programming languages you know, the easier it is to pick up additional programming languages. And the less likely you are to treat your favorite language (or the only one you k

Re: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want

2019-10-18 Thread Jeremy Nicoll
On Fri, 18 Oct 2019, at 23:34, John Hasler wrote: > I guess some people who started with BASIC do eventually recover. It's not all that bad. At my first place of employment, we ran WATERLOO BASIC (from the University of Waterloo) for students to learn how to program. This was on an IBM

Re: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want

2019-10-18 Thread John Hasler
Thomas writes: > The only right way is to work down from a BASIC on ROM, which is said > to have in part been coded by William Henry Gates III himself, to a > self-made assembler, and then back to Rocky Mountain BASIC on HP > desktops. Finally you move to a Unix workstation (16 MHz and 4 MB of >

Re: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want

2019-10-18 Thread Jeremy Nicoll
This discussion is spammed across a whole bunch of linux dstro mail lists. On Fri, 18 Oct 2019, at 19:56, ghe wrote: > Pascal teaches you to think good thoughts. It's was a wonderful language > to learn back in the late 1970s. Yes, or Algol... > Perl's mantra is "There's more than one way to

Re: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want

2019-10-18 Thread David Wright
On Fri 18 Oct 2019 at 23:22:37 (+0200), Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Doug McGarrett wrote: > > [...] and I learned to use BASIC. > > And ? Any recognizable damage left ? :o) > > > (This was in the days when we had > > an acoustic modem and a Teletype machine, and the mainframe was > > 1500 miles

Re: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want

2019-10-18 Thread Brian
On Fri 18 Oct 2019 at 13:26:03 -0400, Doug McGarrett wrote: > > > On 10/18/2019 09:31 AM, Dan Ritter wrote: > > Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: > > > Subject: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want > > > > > > This is just a

Re: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want

2019-10-18 Thread mick crane
On 2019-10-18 22:22, Thomas Schmitt wrote: But with a text editor i write a description in form of C structures and function stubs, which i fill by remarks to roughly describe what to have or to do where and when. Already during this design stage i use as much compilable C code as possible to

Re: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want

2019-10-18 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Doug McGarrett wrote: > [...] and I learned to use BASIC. And ? Any recognizable damage left ? :o) > (This was in the days when we had > an acoustic modem and a Teletype machine, and the mainframe was > 1500 miles away!) I had a color tv and a VIC-20 on the couch table. > Later, I

Re: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want

2019-10-18 Thread Joe
On Fri, 18 Oct 2019 13:26:03 -0400 Doug McGarrett wrote: > On 10/18/2019 09:31 AM, Dan Ritter wrote: > > Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: > >> Subject: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want > >> > >> This is just a quick survey. M

Re: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want

2019-10-18 Thread ghe
On 10/18/19 11:44 AM, hdv@gmail wrote: > On 18/10/2019 19.26, Doug McGarrett wrote: > > ... > >> I'm not sure if any Pascal compilers are still available, but >> Turbo was the most popular back when. Until the last version >> came out, and it was too complicated for its own good. > > Forgive

Re: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want

2019-10-18 Thread Jude DaShiell
On Fri, 18 Oct 2019, Doug McGarrett wrote: > Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 13:26:03 > From: Doug McGarrett > To: Dan Ritter , > Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming > Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want > Resent-D

Re: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want

2019-10-18 Thread hdv@gmail
On 18/10/2019 19.26, Doug McGarrett wrote: ... > I'm not sure if any Pascal compilers are still available, but > Turbo was the most popular back when. Until the last version > came out, and it was too complicated for its own good. Forgive me for barging in, but I just had to answer that. Sure

Re: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want

2019-10-18 Thread Doug McGarrett
On 10/18/2019 09:31 AM, Dan Ritter wrote: Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: Subject: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want This is just a quick survey. May I know what programming languages do you know? I am considering being a programmer or developer. How long

Re: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want

2019-10-18 Thread Dan Ritter
Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: > Subject: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want > > This is just a quick survey. May I know what programming languages do > you know? I am considering being a programmer or developer. > How long will it take for me to maste

Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want

2019-10-17 Thread Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming
Subject: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want Good day from Singapore, Article: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want Author: Nick Kolakowski Date Published: 14 October 2019 Link: https://insights.dice.com/2019/10/14/7-programming-languages-employers-want

Re: useless languages

2019-07-13 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
David Christensen writes: > On 7/12/19 4:03 AM, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: >> hi, >> when installing some packages (chromiun for example), I get a lot of >> useless languages (task-marathi-desktop task-nepali-desktop ...) >> Is there a way to get rid of them? >

Re: useless languages

2019-07-13 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
On Fri, 12 Jul 2019, David Christensen wrote: On 7/12/19 4:03 AM, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: hi, when installing some packages (chromiun for example), I get a lot of useless languages (task-marathi-desktop task-nepali-desktop ...) Is there a way to get rid of them? best regards, I added

Re: useless languages

2019-07-12 Thread David Christensen
On 7/12/19 4:03 AM, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: hi, when installing some packages (chromiun for example), I get a lot of useless languages (task-marathi-desktop task-nepali-desktop ...) Is there a way to get rid of them? best regards, I added the following line to my root .profile to prevent apt

Re: useless languages

2019-07-12 Thread Reco
Hi. On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 08:37:09AM -0300, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > apt install chromium task-marathi-desktop- task-nepali-desktop- ...- > > Above would help if chromium was recommending task-* packages which it > doesn't on Debian, so for Debian systems I doubt that would help

Re: useless languages

2019-07-12 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Hi Pierre, Quoting Reco (2019-07-12 08:09:03) > On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 01:03:33PM +0200, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > > when installing some packages (chromiun for example), I get a lot of > > useless languages (task-marathi-desktop task-nepali-desktop ...) Is > > there a w

Re: useless languages

2019-07-12 Thread Reco
Hi. On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 01:03:33PM +0200, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > hi, > when installing some packages (chromiun for example), I get a lot of > useless languages (task-marathi-desktop task-nepali-desktop ...) > Is there a way to get rid of them? apt install chromium

useless languages

2019-07-12 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
hi, when installing some packages (chromiun for example), I get a lot of useless languages (task-marathi-desktop task-nepali-desktop ...) Is there a way to get rid of them? best regards, -- Pierre Frenkiel

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-26 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sat, 25 May 2019, Kenneth Parker wrote: > As one who has been involved in "low level plumbing", since the 1970's > (including on IBM Mainframe Computers), I'm not afraid of Assembler > Language. I'm surprised, that I didn't know about Rust (package rustc). > Thanks for alerting me! Rust, the

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-25 Thread Kenneth Parker
On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 9:35 PM Dekks Herton wrote: > Paul Sutton writes: > > > Hi > > > > As I am trying to promote contributing to Debian, what programming > > languages are mostly used? I am asking as it helps to give people an > > idea of what they

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-25 Thread 황병희
Hellow~ > I am guessing as the default command line interface is bash, then bash > and bash scripting would be useful to learn but on top of that what > would people suggest I try and promote. To me, Python is easy, useful, for example, my custom message-id[1] is from python3. Also Python is

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-25 Thread songbird
James H. H. Lampert wrote: > Just out of morbid curiosity: what about a full ANSI PL/I? > > (And the mere fact that I'm asking ages me.) mu! (unasking makes you younger?! :) )A ancient languages i've used but not in quite a long time now. COBOL, SNOBOL, ALGOL, LISP of all

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-25 Thread tomas
On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 07:43:05PM +0300, Ryan Dean wrote: > This is such an amazing topic which language is most widely used and which > most useful. Many CS people only want to focus, do not want waste time in > learning milllions of different languages, which will cause language >

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-25 Thread Ryan Dean
This is such an amazing topic which language is most widely used and which most useful. Many CS people only want to focus, do not want waste time in learning milllions of different languages, which will cause language barriers. We have limited amount of time and millions of other things in real

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-25 Thread Paul Sutton
Hi All Just to say thank for the information.  I have made a short blog post on some of the languages mentioned and put links to what I would hope are useful related resources. http://zleap.net/debian-getting-started-3/ I am trying to write this so I can hopefully encourage those who

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-25 Thread tomas
On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 08:47:26PM +0100, Joe wrote: > On Fri, 24 May 2019 20:28:04 +0200 > "Thomas Schmitt" wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Glenn English wrote: > > > LISP was the first high level language I > > > learned. Thought I was going to die... > > > > Yeah. Why ain't there no Debian

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Alex Mestiashvili
On 5/24/19 11:19 PM, Christian Groessler wrote: > On 5/24/19 10:03 PM, Alex Mestiashvili wrote: >> On 5/24/19 7:28 PM, Christian Groessler wrote: >>> On 5/24/19 6:51 PM, john doe wrote: On 5/24/2019 6:14 PM, ghe wrote: > Perl is happily off on it's own. "There's more than one way..." Boy

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Dekks Herton
Paul Sutton writes: > Hi > > As I am trying to promote contributing to Debian, what programming > languages are mostly used? I am asking as it helps to give people an > idea of what they need to learn or will learn as part of helping. AFAIK Kernel + low level plumbing are prima

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Kenneth Parker
On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:15 PM ghe wrote: > On 5/24/19 9:08 AM, Paul Sutton wrote: > > > As I am trying to promote contributing to Debian, what programming > > languages are mostly used? > > C, perl, java, ruby, python, bash, that I know of. And probably several

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread ghe
On 5/24/19 3:19 PM, Christian Groessler wrote: > I dislike python on the other hand... I did too, when I looked at it a few years ago. But Python3 looks reasonably civilized. And so the interpreter replaces 4 spaces with a semicolon. I think I can live with that... -- Glenn English

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Michael Lange
Hi, On Fri, 24 May 2019 19:45:23 +0200 "Thomas Schmitt" wrote: (...) > (Astounding how few languages are mentioned there. > No Piet ? http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/piet/samples.html > ) seems like Piet isn't really a Debian programming language. At least Debian

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Christian Groessler
On 5/24/19 10:03 PM, Alex Mestiashvili wrote: On 5/24/19 7:28 PM, Christian Groessler wrote: On 5/24/19 6:51 PM, john doe wrote: On 5/24/2019 6:14 PM, ghe wrote: Perl is happily off on it's own. "There's more than one way..." Boy is there ever. Nice to write, but it's next to impossible to

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Joe wrote: > geda-gschem and related electronics tools rely on Guile. I have Guile > libraries 1.8, 2.0 and 2.2 installed, and they increase in size from > 2.6MB to 11.8MB to 45MB. So something must still be going on... It is still the official glue language of GNU. (To my luck its use does

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Alex Mestiashvili
On 5/24/19 7:28 PM, Christian Groessler wrote: > On 5/24/19 6:51 PM, john doe wrote: >> On 5/24/2019 6:14 PM, ghe wrote: >>> Perl is happily off on it's own. "There's more than one way..." Boy is >>> there ever. Nice to write, but it's next to impossible to understand >>> other people's code.

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Joe
On Fri, 24 May 2019 16:08:44 +0100 Paul Sutton wrote: > > Not just on the coding side of things as we have markdown / html / css > perhaps LaTeX for documentation. > I've done practically all my coding for the last ten years in php. With a disparate collection of computing devices, web

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Joe
On Fri, 24 May 2019 20:28:04 +0200 "Thomas Schmitt" wrote: > Hi, > > Glenn English wrote: > > LISP was the first high level language I > > learned. Thought I was going to die... > > Yeah. Why ain't there no Debian package with Guile ? > https://www.gnu.org/software/guile/ > > geda-gschem

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Glenn English wrote: > LISP was the first high level language I > learned. Thought I was going to die... Yeah. Why ain't there no Debian package with Guile ? https://www.gnu.org/software/guile/ https://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=guile yields (after choosing a package)

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread James H. H. Lampert
On 5/24/19, 11:00 AM, ghe wrote: I forgot about LISP too. LISP was the first high level language I learned. Thought I was going to die... (CLUTTER CLUTTER (CDR CLUTTER)) is probably the only s-expression I still remember from over half a lifetime ago. (It's a line of code from the "Blocks

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Christian Groessler
On 5/24/19 6:51 PM, john doe wrote: On 5/24/2019 6:14 PM, ghe wrote: Perl is happily off on it's own. "There's more than one way..." Boy is there ever. Nice to write, but it's next to impossible to understand other people's code. Python, IMHO, seems to be creeping up to replace it. I'm

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread ghe
On 5/24/19 11:45 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > 1,122 lines of code in Buster. Oh. So that's what's wrong with Buster :-) > (Astounding how few languages are mentioned there. > No Piet ? http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/piet/samples.html I forgot about LISP too. LISP was the first h

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Tom Browder
On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:43 Jonas Smedegaard wrote: ... > That's plain wrong: Debian has perl at its core, and Python not. > > Also, your simplification of Perl is common among folks ignorant about > Perl but is wrong as well: You _can_ write difficult-to-read code in > Perl by by no means do

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread James H. H. Lampert
Just out of morbid curiosity: what about a full ANSI PL/I? -- JHHL (And the mere fact that I'm asking ages me.)

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread ghe
On 5/24/19 11:21 AM, mick crane wrote: >> On 5/24/19 9:08 AM, Paul Sutton wrote: > What goes on with Perl ? Can you say "Python"? Perl was great a while back, but it leaves something to be desired today. -- Glenn English

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread ghe
On 5/24/19 11:42 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > That's plain wrong: Debian has perl at its core, and Python not. Please note the word "creeping." Perl is used a lot -- it's a very powerful language, but its syntax and data structures are less than optimal. I've written a lot of Perl, but I've

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting mick crane (2019-05-24 19:21:33) > On 2019-05-24 17:14, ghe wrote: > > On 5/24/19 9:08 AM, Paul Sutton wrote: > > > >> As I am trying to promote contributing to Debian, what programming > >> languages are mostly used? > > > > C

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, ghe wrote: > I don't recall seeing any COBOL, though :-) 1,122 lines of code in Buster. See https://sources.debian.org/stats/#sloc_current (Astounding how few languages are mentioned there. No Piet ? http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/piet/samples.html ) Have a nice day :) Thomas

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting ghe (2019-05-24 18:14:42) > On 5/24/19 9:08 AM, Paul Sutton wrote: > > > As I am trying to promote contributing to Debian, what programming > > languages are mostly used? > > C, perl, java, ruby, python, bash, that I know of. And probably several > others

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Paul Sutton
On 24/05/2019 17:51, john doe wrote: > On 5/24/2019 6:14 PM, ghe wrote: >> On 5/24/19 9:08 AM, Paul Sutton wrote: >> >>> As I am trying to promote contributing to Debian, what programming >>> languages are mostly used? >> C, perl, java, ruby, python, bas

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread mick crane
On 2019-05-24 17:14, ghe wrote: On 5/24/19 9:08 AM, Paul Sutton wrote: As I am trying to promote contributing to Debian, what programming languages are mostly used? C, perl, java, ruby, python, bash, that I know of. And probably several others. I don't recall seeing any COBOL, though

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread john doe
On 5/24/2019 6:14 PM, ghe wrote: > On 5/24/19 9:08 AM, Paul Sutton wrote: > >> As I am trying to promote contributing to Debian, what programming >> languages are mostly used? > > C, perl, java, ruby, python, bash, that I know of. And probably several > others. I do

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread ghe
On 5/24/19 9:08 AM, Paul Sutton wrote: > As I am trying to promote contributing to Debian, what programming > languages are mostly used? C, perl, java, ruby, python, bash, that I know of. And probably several others. I don't recall seeing any COBOL, though :-) > I am asking as

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Paul Sutton (2019-05-24 17:08:44) > As I am trying to promote contributing to Debian, what programming > languages are mostly used? I am asking as it helps to give people an > idea of what they need to learn or will learn as part of helping. > > I am guessing as the

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